Paul and Morgan Finally Responded & It Was Not What I Expected | We Should Unpack This E8

[@mcgovemj]

Love how Paul has his own trigger warning.

[@fistyann8434]

I'm dying 😂

[@sydvvt]

Came here to say this, so imma just agree!!

[@heronponie]

Honestly, it’s valid 🥲

[@thesearemyfaces]

Was gonna comment the exact same thing, thanks for that 😭😂

[@cowardlycurry]

I literally almost spit out my water on my laptop 😭

[@esasaurus2456]

This “fuck you” goes out specifically to Paul. Since I started watching Mickey, this is how my life has changed. -I finally started going to therapy -I stared processing my religious trauma -I got officially diagnosed with ocd that bloomed because of that religious trauma -I got on meds and had a life changing realization that most people don’t walk around counting down until they’re finally old enough to drop dead -I learned how to communicate with my partner so he could hear me. He learned how to respond -I was able to facilitate a life change for both of us that I was too terrified and broken to approach before. Our relationship is 100% healthier because of it. -I’ve had specific examples to point to of “this! This is how I want to be loved! Mickey found the words I couldn’t.” -I’m happy. More than I’m not. Paul, your religious bullshit hurts people. I don’t fear hell, because I lived constantly being hurt by people like you. Hell won’t be worse than that. Paul, you break and hurt people. Mickey helps and fixes them. She found many of us in very dark times caused by people like you. She helped guide us back. If there is a Jesus, he’s not rooting for you. He’s on Mickey’s team.

[@Nexibis]

I am so happy for you! I hope your healing journey is filled with wonderful changes for you. May you live your best, most fulfilled life

[@emanzeism]

good for you for getting help and improving your life. You got this.

[@MegJuniper]

Love love love love 🩵 so happy for you!

[@bottomofastairwell]

i'm so glad you've found healing and a healthy community to support you. and congrats on your journey of self discovery and self love. that's incredible. and you should definitely be proud of all the work that you've done

[@jyt74]

Ok I'm crying. ❤❤❤

[@arimiles6077]

It always baffles me when someone who is fat, like myself, will present a well thought out and concise argument and the other person’s rebuttal is ad-hoministic and centered around me being fat. Like please take this L because you lost and this is no longer middle school honey😂😂😂😂

[@stevedorecharley2849]

“This is no longer middle school honey” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@khill8645]

When folks say that "religion made me sound like an idiot," this is what they're talking about -- being raised such that critical thinking and doubt are discouraged is reflected in the rhetoric used, and results in namecalling and shallow, aesthetic arguments.

[@LaCeiba1924]

I call people out directly when they do things like that. “You’re only saying that to be argumentative because you’re too arrogant to admit you’re wrong.” Watching them trip over themselves in response is great, and they end up proving you right a second time. 🙃

[@catsmom129]

It just says that they have no argument. “I can’t you critique you on facts or ideas, so how about a lazy insult!”

[@bottomofastairwell]

i think more than anything it says something about a person's intelligence. if you can roast me about my habits, personality, opinions, likes/dislikes, cool. but if the best you have is FAT/short/ugly/whatever obvious physical thing??? clearly you're not playing with a full deck my guy

[@sarah-fu1it]

you two are such a breath of fresh air. "I'm not a fat person because I can't control my intake of food ... I'm fat because that's where my body landed after I found a healthy relationship with food ..." beautifully put. thank you so much for that

[@alexannaliceteddy]

Paul being a trigger warning 💀

[@timnewman1172]

Porgan are just horrible humans!

[@sashawolfson3602]

I laughed so hard when i saw him as the Trigger warning XD

[@spOOkytimes]

Paul should be listed as a synonym of bigot lol

[@SilentSong123]

Best thing ever

[@Tareltonlives]

Paul and Morgan feel like high school bullies that never grew up

[@Sarah-re7cg]

I feel like calling them high school bullies is an insult to high school bullies. At least with high school bullies we know for a fact they passed 8th grade.

[@TheKrispyfort]

High school dropout bullies that didn't grow TF up?

[@queenmotherhane4374]

I think Morgan is the pick-me girl who learned how important it is to suck up to her boyfriend.

[@waluigi1228]

Paul and Morgan are some of the kindest people I ever had the pleasure of speaking to

[@user-mv5zt8qd9l]

​@@waluigi1228 You might want to reconsider the circles you frequent, then, if that's the best you can do

[@crowdedcar]

As a trans person with a super uncommon deadname and relatively uncommon chosen name, I fully feel what Mickey is saying about being passionate that they pronounce names right. I do not understand how he could mispronounce Mickey though. It’s intentional negligence. Gross.

[@queenmotherhane4374]

Hell, I’m Jane and people fuck that up.😂

[@lsakds1]

I absolutely hate when I pronounce somebody’s name wrong & here in the south we are so accustomed to saying miss Janet or Mr Tom. But I’m getting myself accustomed to asking first. I’m 55 & still learning but totally agree, please pronounce names correctly y’all.

[@autumn_intuitive888]

@@queenmotherhane4374 this got me dying LMFAO

[@WhatWouldLubitschDo]

@@queenmotherhane4374Hi, James😜

[@ebony7177]

All my life I've had my name mispronounced and it's INFURIATING. Especially after I have told you my name. But when it's a fairly common name like Mickey, he thinks he's getting a leg up and it's so childish. But that isn't surprising when coming from Paul. He speaks on his channel in a grade school bully way.

[@itsemzily]

I also didn't miss that not only did he call you by something other than your name, but chose "Missy," which is so often used by elders as a way to put them down below their level

[@TheCanadiangirl4]

It's typically done when Paul doesn't have a concrete argument to counter Micky's points and has to resort to insults. It's his way of 'winning.'

[@prismo1428]

Also the thing about eating disorders and people like Paul is he would NEVER shame a person who’s thin who has an eating disorder. But if someone’s fat and has an eating disorder then all the sudden they’re a terrible person who has no credibility. They try to hide their fatphobia behind being concerned for others health.

[@ChocolatexCherries3]

he absolutely would shame a skinny person with an ED. As a skinny person with an ED, you would NOT believe how much shaming is involved with ED judgment just in general! Fat people however do get invalidated and not believed for their EDs, which is what I think the difference is in societal reactions.

[@queenmotherhane4374]

@@ChocolatexCherries3 Someone I love struggles hard with disordered eating, but is thin. (I’m not going to get into the weeds about what “healthy” vs. “unhealthy” thinness is, because that gets into body policing, which sucks.) She’s constantly getting intrusive and unwanted “compliments” from men who gush things like, “I bet you work out all the time! How do you stay so thin?” Now she responds, “Through crippling anxiety,” and it shuts them up.

[@prismo1428]

@ChocolatexCherries3 @queenmotherhane4374 oh, 100% I can acknowledge that people who are thin with eating disorders get misunderstood, ridiculed and unfairly judged. It’s hard for thin people too! Heck I’d even say people get judged by other for simply being thin even if they don’t have an eating disorder. I know people who are naturally very thin who people just refuse to believe they don’t have an eating disorder. I think on both ends of the spectrum people like to point judgement and police other’s bodies. All I was trying to say is I think Paul himself would rather look at a thin person who has an unhealthy relationship with food and be like I see no problem here! Than to look at an overweight person who had a good relationship with food. Just based on what I’ve seen about Paul’s content. But I could be wrong. I didn’t want this comment to disregard the very real and valid stigmatization that thin people in general but especially thin people with eating disorders go through. So thanks for commenting about your perspective! It’s important!!!

[@queenmotherhane4374]

@@prismo1428 I completely agree with your comment about Paul!

[@ChocolatexCherries3]

@prismo1428 no I totally understand that! I was just adding onto the conversation because I know someone like paul would actually be the type to get faux concerned about a thin person with an ED. It's really hard for people to accept that you can be fat and eat healthily because weight retainment (?) is mostly genetic like everything else about our bodies. what is the most important is you eat right and move your body daily because immobility kills. what your body looks like has nothing to do with health, its a deeply ableist thought or belief to have the opposite view point yanno.

[@lizstolte2634]

Ugh I really resonate with Mickey’s experience with doctors and trying to find the cause of pain. The first time I went to a rheumatologist I had a break down because my patient chart said “_____ is an overweight female”. The FIRST thing in my chart was my weight and multiple doctors used that to write me of. And not that it matters but my bmi was like .3 over the healthy range, so it clearly wasn’t even that extreme that it needed to be my first identifier. Turns out I have lupus and one of my kidneys barely works anymore, but if they would’ve listened to me at 16 when it started instead of waiting until I was immobile at 19, maybe I would have two functioning kidneys! It’s not just bullying towards those who are overweight and fat, it’s real LIFE THREATENING prejudice that can permanently damage someone’s body. There’s research that shows male surgeons have more women die on the table, but there’s no discrepancy for female surgeons! So I only see women now

[@caseyw.6550]

Yes. This is such a big problem in the medical world. Honestly, I wish these doctors would just say "I don't know what's wrong with you and can't be bothered to figure it out." rather than instinctively blame someone's weight. It's infuriating and 100% a cop out.

[@TheOtherBoobJustDropped]

Nothing to do with my weight but a doctor saying there’s nothing wrong with you is just so demoralizing when you KNOW something is wrong. I’m a singer and studying to be a trial lawyer, so my voice and vocal health is VERY important to me. I lose my voice a lot and for long periods of time for almost no reason. I finally went to an ENT after my voice was gone for three straight weeks and he told me everything was perfectly normal and my voice sounded fine. I paid hundreds of dollars for this appointment that I’d been told by so many people to schedule for years and I walked out being told I was fine. I’ve had vocal problems for ten years now. Everyone in my life HEARS that my voice leaves me for long periods of time out of nowhere. And all a doctor could tell me was that I was “normal”

[@nicholaslandry6367]

​@@TheOtherBoobJustDropped if you attempt this again... ...the more video evidence you have the better your results are likely to be On top of that the higher quality the sound recording tech you use is the more subtleties it will be likely to record with relative clarity and the more likely a dr will be able to diagnose you &/or treat your symptoms (& if your lucky the root) properly & in a way that is specifically design for you a unique individual

[@tsuritsa3105]

From one disabled person to another, I feel this. I have fibromyalgia (among other comorbidities) that was very hard to get diagnosed when I was younger because I'm overweight. My weight was assumed to be a personal failing (shocking revelation: I have thyroid problems, and it's not that simple. I think even weight is a more complex issue than most American doctors want to admit. There are often a variety of factors that go into it, not just some nebulous lack of personal control.) that seemed to me to outweigh my value as a human being to these people who didn't want to deal with my actual medical problems because of my weight. It's a tough place to be in and there's always damage when these conditions go ignored. It's honestly a kind of willful malpractice. I'm so sorry you have had to experience this.

[@freylekh8600]

honestly nothing makes me happier to be fat than this kind of explicit fatphobia. Institutional fatphobia gets me so disoriented and uncomfortable, but then a guy like this comes along and goes "Hey you shouldn't be listened to because you're fat" and I'm like, oh right, this is all bullshit. Thanks for saying the quiet part out loud, Paul

[@kaitlynschroeder3474]

“Their stuff leads people to your office” IM CACKLING! So true.

[@scarlettredding]

💯

[@catherinemccormick3184]

“It’s okay as long as you’re ashamed of yourself” Dude… I have said these EXACT WORDS to describe how a lot of religious people (not ALL religious people, but too many imo) have about queer people

[@stevedorecharley2849]

^^^^^This^^^^^^^ Once I figured this out, I felt so liberated. Since I wasn’t willing to hate myself, I was free to leave the bigots behind.

[@Kb-gh2rk]

I HAVE A BONE TO PICK WITH BOTH OF YOU HEATHENS. Next time you are going to make a collage wall that is this sick, I would like this to be my formal request for a full video/shorts documenting the process. I need something like this in my life- it’s FABULOUS. That’s all, you’re amazing as always ❤

[@stevedorecharley2849]

Yes! I’m stealing ideas from their wall.

[@MickeyAtkins]

I have the stuff we bought off Amazon linked in the Amazon storefront! We got a lot of it off Etsy too and from thrift stores so highly recommend searching for "funky" decor and "bimbo" decor! 😂 Those are the keywords I used!

[@Kb-gh2rk]

@@MickeyAtkins oh you absolute angel! I see it thank youuu!

[@ragingdevi]

@@MickeyAtkins "Bimbo decor" is not a search term I ever would have thought of. I adore it

[@spOOkytimes]

I agree, This is definitely vlog worthy.

[@931i]

On the bright side, Paul just introduced his entire audience to your channel!

[@jongkittae]

the part that I hate the most about paul & morgan's content is how they seemingly do not care about their own audience. like they really go around insulting people constantly and I just don't understand how fully grown adults can be so utterly oblivious at best or callously cruel at worst.

[@moirasoma2863]

Well, they are miserable, and like the bad people they are, they dont care who they hurt.

[@zodfanza]

Evangelicals are into it. It's seen as a sign of strength and of "not compromising the truth of God" to bash people confidently and say they're wrong. People feel that confidence that they're righteous. On a subconscious emotional level people think the aggressive person must be the one winning the debate regardless of argument. This is why so many people follow Ben Shapiro and Trump: the guys project a lot of conviction in what they do and if you're caught up in the hype, lack confidence yourself and don't understand what's going on - all of which evangelical culture conditions into you with its abusive cult tactics as per the BITE model - it's easy to find that reassuring.

[@stevedorecharley2849]

They are just so hateful, and they think they are the world’s greatest examples of love. Gross.

[@beyondallmeasure]

Paul is now a content warning 😂

[@embodyingmysticalmac]

FR 😂

[@mariahconklin4150]

Lol😂 yea a warning to me not to watch his videos I turned the Taylor Swift which one on and it was so boring got off of it because people in the comment section were fighting about if she was a witch then I saw Isaiah Soldivar and was out 😂

[@caseyw.6550]

If Paul didn't insult me, I would be disappointed in myself. You're definitely doing something right!

[@queenmotherhane4374]

Mickey, thank you for letting me know that it’s OK for “mildly mentally ill” people like me to seek therapy. I liken my depression to a chronic respiratory allergy: some days barely noticeable, some days like viral pneumonia. We all deserve treatment for physical *and* mental health problems *before* they become dangerous!

[@ExtraordinaryMachine333]

Yes! Also sometimes people have problems they can't see. My Mom stopped going to a therapist "because other people had bigger problems", but she was physically and emotionally abusive and parentifying to me growing up and as an early adult, and she has Borderline traits if not an undiagnosed personality disorder. Sometimes a wound isn't healing because it needs deeper care, and everyone deserves therapy and to feel whole. Queen, I'm glad you are going to therapy and getting care when you need it

[@queenmotherhane4374]

@@ExtraordinaryMachine333 My mom was never diagnosed, but showed symptoms of narcissism and depression. The only time in her life she was 100% pleasant to be around was when she was prescribed 10 mg of Prozac a day as a post-op antidepressant after major heart surgery. Then she stopped taking it because she insisted she didn’t need it, and went back to being a biotch. I wish I’d just sprinkled the capsules into her coffee every morning.

[@caldehh]

Ok wow I love your metaphor with my dep/anx interacting with ADHD... like the ADHD is pollen triggering and intensifying coughs, runny nose and headaches. Yep, borrowing this one, hope you don't mind lol😊

[@queenmotherhane4374]

@@caldehh Not at all! It’s an easy way to explain fluctuations in mental illness for people who “don’t get it.”

[@cookkeh]

as a fellow fat AFAB it is so funny to me when grown adults try to fat shame you, like oh my goddd i'm FAT??? i did not KNOW thank you so much for telling me, i somehow missed this fact. i will now proceed to rake myself across coals as penance for daring to have a body that makes you upset where you can see it. so sorry. but in seriousness, i love your content so much, your empathy and wisdom when it comes to struggling with mental health is legit inspiring. thank you for being awesome!! EDIT: okay DONATELLA is an absolute BOP i love it so much

[@vsgreenie1]

i think they assume that fat people who are comfortable with their bodies have deluded themselves into thinking they're thin, because how could a fat person possibly be confident about their looks? it must mean they're disconnected from reality and need someone to bring them back by reminding them that they are, in fact, fat.

[@sherra-sama]

Or the doctors when you bring up any medical issue: "Okay ... but have you tried NOT being fat?" Yeah no never crossed my mind dipsh*t. 🤣it really is pretty entertaining how many grown-ass adults think we aren't aware of ourselves.

[@h0llasamantha]

i love y’all’s relationship. you’re both a part of my dream blunt rotation.

[@erikacomfort3343]

LMFAO

[@e_aa518]

absolutely same

[@jameshuntington8644]

As a gay man surrounded by what feels like a VERY fatphobic and body obsessed community, I need to come back to this video and say that it has actually had a moving impact on me. "I have a healthy relationship with food and this is where my body landed." really, REALLY struck a cord with me. I have always felt like I need to have some excuse or explanation why I don't have rock hard abs and a swole chest and biceps YET as if it's a mandatory thing I'm working to check off. But I've fought with an unhealthy relationship with food for a long time and more recently have started to accept my body as it is, and this video helped me see that for what it is and I'm working on accepting it and have joy in my meals rather than guilt. Thank you for your channel and the work and excellence you are providing Mickey. Truly.

[@byeblckbirdxx]

12:13 As someone whose job also requires continuing ed, I FELT “I have to go to a bunch of webinars and shit” in my soul ☠️

[@rachaelwhitehouse6283]

Lol same, I groaned at that line cause it’s so real

[@erinl422]

Yes!!!!! I’m lucky that most of mine are articles but still….

[@kkimsey5866]

Amen! Me too! I thought, "oh, shit, I'm behind on my continuing education." 😂

[@alexisscholtes1206]

This was such a good conversation. As a fellow fat person, I love when people think we don't know we're fat. Like 😲 I had no idea what size clothes I have to buy!

[@TheCanadiangirl4]

My best friend is quite heavy. She really struggles with it and want to know how I can support her.

[@marlyd]

"Paul could be fingering their open trauma wounds" - Girl I don't need to hear the words Paul and fingering in one sentence 😂

[@DefenderOfHumanity]

If it's any consolation, he definitely doesn't know what fingering is.

[@dacianadays698]

​@@DefenderOfHumanity😂😂😂 sorry I'm dead reading your reply 😂

[@DontSmokeInBed]

Trigger warning: PAUL made my week Mickey 😭 so happy for the gifted membership! Also, pink shirt day has been around forever!

[@abbywolf9701]

I love when you talk about Paul and Morgan. I grew up in the kind of culture they promote and I’m still working through the damage to this day. I appreciate the work y’all do ❤️ and it helps that you’re both hilarious too!

[@Discrete1998]

Yesss! I love hearing someone else explain WHY it’s bad because it gives words to the feelings I’ve had all my life 😂

[@abbywolf9701]

@@Discrete1998 that’s so true. I didn’t realize how messed up I was because of the fundie culture that shaped my worldview until someone just… said out loud what the effects were. It’s hard to contextualize your own experience when you live in a bubble!

[@itsspringtime]

Same and I feel so guilty about what I struggle with. It's so lonely. 😢

[@abbywolf9701]

@darkstrifequeen1458 I hate that you’re going through it but I LOVE the way you phrased that 😂

[@jetsxtaylorgang]

The marginalization and loss of access to tradintional diets and foods is also a big issue in indigenous cultures throughout the US so Im so happy you brought that up!

[@anangoohns]

Yessss Food sovereignty in Indigenous nations is such an important topic!!

[@LiteraryLDawn]

It’s so validating to hear someone talk about how you can be intensely dieting and exercising and be a size 14-16. I was in an active ED for three years and was never smaller than a size 10. Some people CANNOT lose weight. Thank you for normalizing this

[@queenmotherhane4374]

YES. My sister was in the throes of life-threatening anorexia and bulimia and was around a size 14. When she landed in the hospital with a blood potassium level so low her doctor said he’d never seen one that low on a *live person*, a nurse actually asked her, “Have you ever tried Weight Watchers?” She said this to a young woman who was actually on the Danger List-who was in imminent danger of death but “still not thin enough.” My sister had been staggering around with dark gray shadows around her eyes and people were gushing about how “wonderful” she looked simply because she was thinner than she used to be.

[@phantomvampyressshadowkiss4690]

Exactly but they assume women can just be skinny. Funny thing is that they expect women to pop out kids after kid and stay fit that's so misinformation and stupidity how unaware of reality those cult people are

[@caseyw.6550]

1000%

[@bluetickbeagles116]

💯 and it’s true for us who have bigger bone structures. I was at 11%body fat and shredded and still 160lbs in a size 12. We’re all built differently.

[@phantomvampyressshadowkiss4690]

@@bluetickbeagles116 facts. Every woman is built differently. I have friends who aren't obese but actually fit and kinda thicker which these fundamentals woucall them obese and fat but they aren't. That makes me mad when people body shame women. Im little but even my weight fluctuates from 94 to 107 . I'm not big. But so many men body shame women on a constant. I'd like to see them have a kid or period and still all be thin themselves with that

[@vintagearisen]

As I am writing this very comment, this video has been up four hours and already has more views than Paul's response to Mickey and I think that's beautiful

[@Tina_Bo_Binaaa]

I just LOVE how someone’s weight is an indicator of if their licensed professional opinion is valid. Who Does he really think he’s fooling? Men like this are so sad, we are all correct to fear for Morgan’s mental health and even the mental health of their own child as well in that household. He thinks he’s still in high school and high school jock behavior still looks cute when you’re 30+ Someone once told me a church is like a hospital, and usually well people don’t go to hospitals.

[@spOOkytimes]

Going to church can have some value. It's when people start treating the church itself and the leaders as idols and don't diversify the sources of information, doing their own research and reflection.

[@presentfuture7563]

My new favorite term is "dumpster gremlin," thank you Aaron. I am same.

[@Aaronatatkins]

In trash we unite

[@degrassiclassof2004]

I would take Mickey as my therapist in a heartbeat. Any day.

[@Nelia2705]

Same!

[@Lilacil]

I have bad teeth from many years of abuse & untreated mental illness, & I really appreciate the sentiment that someone should love you regardless of your body because all the messaging I get tells me that I'm not lovable. This is the exact outlook I needed to hear, & I feel like just hearing someone express this in this way makes me have higher standards for any partner I'd let into my life. Thank you, Mickey.

[@Pigeonwishes001]

Off topic but as someone who went to art school for illustration and design your wall gives me such good vibes! I adore all the pieces you have up❤❤

[@infinitybauer1187]

You and your partner need to do more episodes together!!! I’d love to see a video about gender identity, expression, and Christianity

[@Emma-eee]

They do this podcast together every week!

[@hellfirefox516]

Imma need a pic of Mickey's partner next to her dad. They can blur him as much as the feel like, I just need to see the SIZE :)

[@bizzapandare1209]

​@@hellfirefox516but .... why

[@alashabibti]

My bf has barbie pink and purple/pink shirts and they look SO GOOD on him. Not even in a gender-bending way, pinks/purples are such flattering human colors, they bring out the life in the skin.

[@Nexibis]

Mickey, I appreciate you and your partner talking about this. I have a body size similar to yours. Despite how physically active I am, I am a large person. You help me feel valid and valued as a person. Also you’re partner has the softest, nicest voice and I think you both are awesome.

[@lumi33tv]

I've been fat my whole life, and whenever I was starving from poverty or an eating disorder, I was praised for my appearance. Whenever I spent my entire day thinking about food and working out, I was praised for my body. When I just live a relaxed life, and enjoy the same foods and freedoms as my thin relatives, friends, loved ones, that's when my weight goes back up. My body is fat, I don't have to excuse or change it. Period. Regardless of when people choose to praise me.

[@aew2001]

honestly, i saw his response video (i try not to engage with their content because it supports them, but i was dying to know), and the blatant disrespect he displayed in his response was astounding, beyond what i expected even of him.

[@OzmaOfOzz]

I couldn't get past the first few minutes in which he started body shaming. I can not with him. It's sad but also pathetic that the only thing he can attack is the obvious, which is her weight . How did he not think that in his "holier than thou" Christian community there aren't any over weight people, probably some are his listeners. How did he think that will not shame them too? It's atrocious. Low key hoping he'll get fat one day and see how it is. And he got so much hate comments for the body shaming, too!!! Why not take it down?! Is he for real?? He makes me so mad 😤

[@hollydawn07]

iirc, his dad is a “personal trainer” and his whole family is incredibly fatphobic and shames people for not being hardcore gym bros etc. (which is so strange to me since Paul definitely does not embody a gym bro aesthetic, not that there’s anything wrong with that, it’s just hypocritical in my opinion).

[@aew2001]

@@OzmaOfOzz I’m proud of you for signing off and knowing your limits. It’s not easy.

[@OzmaOfOzz]

@aew2001 it was just too gross and infuriating and hypocritical for me to listen to more of it, then again all of their videos are 😤

[@apocketfulofprose]

Thank you for the content you create, Mickey. Thank you for creating a supportive and safe space for those of us who are walking through deconstruction on our own.

[@reanndacli3421]

Your videos on Paul and Morgan are so important. I used to follow them and was really believing what they were saying about how to live but I found your videos and others like it and they saved me. I’m so grateful ❤

[@thomasdonaldjacobs7291]

The best part of this video was that you pointed out that Paul and Morgan are pretty much just unqualified nits no one should take seriously, and moved right on to shovelling out the caring and good advice that you normally do. They're going to be big mad about how little time you spent on them here, and I think that is *wonderful*.

[@jolieblanger2052]

25:18 on having a therapist similar to you: THIS THIS THIS. When I was finally getting proper treatment for ED recovery, my therapist herself had been hospitalized 20 years prior for the same ED as me. She is to date THE ONLY therapist that has ever truly understood me and helped me. Unfortunately I moved states so she is not my therapist anymore, but I still use techniques she taught me and I still hear her voice in my head when I am struggling with ED thoughts. Carla if u see this I miss u girl lol

[@FromAGoodGnome]

The yewtube link is just what I needed! I didn't want to give them any views but I felt left out not having seen it 😂

[@cupcakesoup]

Hearing you talk openly about your struggles with food and how chronic illness affects it makes me feel so validated - I've been dealing with health issues and a lot of unexplained weight loss, and the number of people in my life who without knowing any better have been congratulating me has been really upsetting. Like, doctors aren't happy, my dietitian isn't happy, but society is so enmeshed in this idea that I must be doing something "right." What's worse is that 10 years ago, I would have seen this as a positive side effect. Thank you so much for deconstructing this idea!

[@theblakeney]

Aaron comes out of his shell a little more every episode and im here for it, because this guy is sunshine personified ❤

[@TaurusWitch29]

I love him ❤

[@kaylaholland677]

"Did you see how many times i said her name wrong?" With morgan saying "ouchhhhh" like, "did you see how i intentionally tried to belittle her and communicate she weren't important enough to remember her name? Did you see it? Did you see, are you watching, did you see me?" Being intentionally rude under the guise of forgetfulness, but then being so desperate to get attention he points it out. 🤦🏼‍♀️😆

[@carlsonscottagefarm9355]

I had nerve pain for a year and was on meds that made me loose my appetite, I hardly ate anything for a year. I dropped weight then had surgery and dropped more weight. Everyone saying how good I look but I know it was so unhealthy. Now my appetite is back and I am eating better and more healthy and I fear letting people down for gaining weight back. My husband loves my fat or thin. He wants me to eat and be healthy and he was very concerned about my eating. He is so happy I am eating again! Thank goodness!!!

[@thazmeewiggum3384]

The way you two speak to each other makes me feel so warm and comfortable, I appreciate the work you do here so much 💖

[@tessachaplin8647]

I laughed out loud at Paul being the trigger warning. This is so real.

[@wetsand7379]

Y'all are so precious. I love how intelligent, thoughtful, and well-spoken you both are.

[@lindseyhendrix2405]

When I heard he said something about you, girl I was ready to box! But I know you can hold your own and I’m glad you have your boo alongside to clap-back, too. I loved when y’all both closed your eyes to get his thought back! 😂 enjoying this conversation on my drive. 25:36 PREACH BOYYY ETA: 27:15 as a queer Christian who has quite the deconstruction journey - this also applies to closeted queer people. I knew early on who I could or couldn’t come out to based on their comments about the queer community, and especially after the Pulse shooting. Just my 2¢ to the conversation!

[@chronicallygilliann]

As someone with chronic health issues and a battle with ED, thank you for making this video. Ever since that Paul and Morgan video, I’ve decided to subscribe and I look forward to learning all I can ♥️

[@jessrose4301]

I used to think I didn't have religious trauma because I was never religious. This channel has made me realize the harm I experienced living in the Bible belt as a non-Christian and the self loathing that developed even outside of the belief system.

[@marlyd]

"Our enmeshment has reached new levels" love to hear it 😂💜 and looking hella cute both of you👌

[@Glibglobit]

*Paul trying to insult Mickey for her weight* Mickey: “Don’t recite the old magic to me witch I was there when it was written”

[@dlarsen325]

P&M seem so lost and are trying so many different videos types hoping to make it viral. And Morgan seems just miserable!

[@erikacomfort3343]

Literally. They are cash grabbing

[@meiimacca4054]

That's what being a hateful and repressive person gets you. Misery.

[@queenmotherhane4374]

What the everlasting eff did Morgan ever see in him? He’s conventionally attractive, but he’s a worm.

[@mudpawkendra]

Mickey’s cussing helped me feel so much more comfortable cutting loose and speaking how I speak in front of my therapist.

[@stevedorecharley2849]

My brother wore pink shirts to high school in the early 80’s. I don’t know what comments her got or didn’t, but I can tell you he was unfazed. Props to my bro, who looked great in pink.

[@jannettb7930]

Didn't everyone wear LA Gear hot pink in the 80's? Lol

[@stevedorecharley2849]

@@jannettb7930 never knew this since I went to catholic school and was basically not allowed to have any fashion sense. 😕 Boys were allowed to wear different color shirts, though. At my weird high school, there were definitely guys who prob couldn’t believe a real dude would wear pink. It was so weird. So glad those days are behind me.

[@maryeckel9682]

Between preppy and new wave, pink was everywhere for guys.

[@hondachk7992]

Hey Mickey - just wanted to say thank you guys for pointing out that "I'm not taking someone else's place" going to therapy. That hit in such a good way for me. I needed to hear it.

[@kaw8473]

People who insult weight are creatively and emotionally bankrupt. Responsible adults can admit the flaws in their words or actions and can make an honest pledge to improve themselves. He just wants to insult his "haters" and continue pedaling his snake oil.

[@amberfuchs398]

I appreciate you discussing the disordered thinking in religious circles. It bleeds over into so much. They make up issues to be upset about and then perpetuate hate and discrimination based on fairytales. My abusive family of origin was fueled by disordered religious thinking. I couldnt wait to escape. I feel bad for anyone trapped around hateful, religious rhetoric and ideology and wish them freedom.

[@arimiles6077]

Lmaooo honestly I think y’all just helped mitigate overconsumption in relationships-just buy genderless clothing and we BOTH can wear them😂😂😂

[@crowdedcar]

My partner and I are similarly gender aligned and we share all of our clothes that fit each other

[@ChristopherSadlowski]

I'm cis and so is my ex husband, so I wore his clothes all the time. He was much bigger than me so my clothes wouldn't fit him even if he tried. But I loved wearing his clothes when I needed to be in roomy, comfy clothes. It was also great if I needed to grab a hoodie before I went out. It looked like I was swimming in the thing, but I didn't really care.

[@alim.9801]

My partner is very masculine but i tend to also like more masc clothes so I borrow a bunch of his shirts and we definitely share hoodies even if he won't take my crop tops 😂 it's fantastic

[@oh_riley7104]

"Their stuff leads people to your office" is literally why I watch this channel all the time, too

[@BloofehBaby]

I'm just discovering your content Mickey, and you're such an inspiration for me! I'm currently in grad school studying to become a licensed counselor myself, started working with clients this week, and hope I can provide even a shred of the safety and thoughtful commentary and you share on this channel. Also off topic, but Aaron has a voice that is made for podcasting, It's so relaxing and comforting!

[@tbear8839]

Mickey you have helped me be a better provider. I’m not a therapist but in my role as a primary care provider I often have to “play therapist”. Your evidence based advice is so helpful. I’m sure my patients would thank you if they could. TEAMMICKEY 😂

[@maxfreer6455]

I just got a notification of this video and I am dropping everything to watch it lmao

[@linkofthesaga]

Mickey, your videos encouraged me to go to therapy even though I don’t have a mental disorder. I made clear goals for what I wanted to get out of it and found a licensed therapist who specialized in what I needed to talk about. And I’ve grown so much from it. For the first time in my life, I can articulate my feelings, discover where they originate from, and think for myself. Don’t listen to idiotic, talking heads. Continue doing what you’re doing!

[@happysadsometimesmad]

Watching two people love each other so thoroughly, supportively, and genuinely really really really helps me believe that my person/people are out there. You two are beautiful examples of human life, thank you for all of your content 💜

[@dliap98]

the way these two talk and interact is lovely to see

[@OzmaOfOzz]

You guys are so cute together , if you get any cuter I'm gonna implode 😭❤️ "A nothin burger video" i shall use this from this day forward 😂

[@ExtraordinaryMachine333]

So excited for this video, I knew there would be THOUGHTS. I think Paul thought his Christian Male Privilege gave him the right to rename you. That, or every time he says "Missy" a Victoria's Secret model gets her wings (not that he can see them, he wouldn't look because he struggles with those impure thoughts. TV shows, lingerie ads, they're all just trying to lead him down a dark path).

[@grimmgoosegoose216]

Morgan Donner just dropped a super easy Overalls pattern >__> My sewing machine may be broken but I do have a thimble and a renewed desire for Overalls

[@SteshuShu]

"take back the things you loved when you didn't allowed yourself in the past". Not verbatim, but for sure this is something healing to hear

[@SteshuShu]

also yesssss to Artpop! Great album for sure!

[@maryehebertphotography1913]

Just had to hop on here and say I love you guys! I love your openness and compassion for your audience. I am a mental health and substance abuse recovery nurse (and I’m also 4 years sober) and I feel like watching your show has given me a better vocabulary when engaging with my patients. Sometimes the way you word things is amazing! You will say exactly what I am thinking, but way more eloquently! You are definitely my people ❤

[@mayaaditi]

To see Mickey not caring about the comments on her body has an incredibly positive effect on my own body image right now. You are so strong and beautiful, a heroine. 🥺❤️ thanks ❤

[@gracemiller3861]

You taught me that you can be healthy and be fat. I am not fat, but I am glad that you talked about it because I would not have changed my mind. I had a health teacher who taught us that a good weight is one where you can function, you can easily maintain, and where you are happy with it. Thank you for sharing!

[@alexisscholtes1206]

I love the vibes y'all have. I can tell you're best friends 💕

[@brookep4464]

trigger warning: paul at the beginning had me rolling omg repeatedly calling you 'missy' definitely didn't come across as an accident and absolutely sounded like he was using it as a term rather than a name. 100% had a 'you listen here, missy' tone to it. which was a super fun added layer of misogyny that no one would have ever expected from paul /sarcasm

[@Samstrinkets]

I did not know Mickey was a genderless blob, these are the exact words I've used to descrive myself. So glad to see someone else with the same feelings flaunting bright colors and presenting how ever you want! Makes me so happy

[@FarCry-sd6xk]

Hey guys I just wanted to let you know that your channel has helped me greatly. I've been in an extremely dark place recently because of my job situation and potential homelessness that happened through illegal actions of other individuals, and it triggered memories of violence committed towards me in my childhood. Currently I don't have a support system, and I couldn't talk to anyone safely, so it all spiraled down in my head. So your channel was randomly shown in my recommendations, and I was able to grab a blanket, a plushie, made some food and just randomly doodled drawings of things on the wall behind you while listening to your conversation. I feel much more calm now, and I think maybe there's a way for me to somehow survive this situation. This wouldn't have happened without you so I wanted to thank you for your work and your presence. It helps people so much.

[@ispeakelvish]

The trigger warning for Paul 😭😭😭 I fucking love it

[@musicalmonica]

TW body image I have a lot of self-fat phobia from being raised Latinx so I appreciate your content. ❤️My family has a specific body type which is like… normal everywhere but having a “beer belly” type fatness in that lower belly area. it kinda looks like a pregnancy sometimes. I’ve had countless people call me pregnant - completely convinced that I am pregnant. and when it happens, I feel shame & sometimes my whole day is ruined & I cry. So it’s just beautiful to witness that IT IS POSSIBLE to love and accept your body for how it is. (It really is just how it is.) body positive content is life changing, as well as therapy with the right therapist ❤️ Our culture is so backwards 😢 It’s terrible. Bellies are beautiful. and I’m excited to love myself and my belly even when it looks “pregnant”

[@dmitrishostakovich1447]

Fatphobia fucks up people of all body types, too. Like it’s hurting so many people. I remember a couple years ago when I was on a pretty unpleasant cocktail of a million psych meds, I was so nauseous all the time I could barely eat. Pretty much the only nutrition my parents could get me to consume was those protein drinks for old people that I had to take tiny sips of through a straw and maybe a soup or half a granola bar if we were lucky. I developed an aversion to food even after my meds were changed because I associated eating (and sometimes still do) with being nauseous and throwing up. I was 5’9, barely 110lbs, which isn’t that low necessarily but on my frame I was like a skeleton. It fluctuated so much as well since my food tolerance changed from week to week - I would regularly have weight discrepancies of over 5 pounds depending on how much I was persuaded to eat or drink. My regular clothes were too big on me, and I was wearing the stuff we had boxed up from middle school. What really got me was, I would go to work and well-meaning customers and coworkers would say things like “appreciate being thin now because you won’t be when you’re older!” or “man I wish I could look like you!” all whilst I was barely getting enough calories to drag myself through the day. I was in such poor physical shape and all people around me could see (outside of my family) was that I looked “beautiful.” Society has us so fucked up, people wanted to look like a half starved teenager - like, when did we start valuing that over being healthy and happy? It’s a struggle. As I started to get better and actually eat, I gained more weight and like…being a healthy weight stressed me out. I felt fat. And I’m not, but Iike, that sort of low blow, high school bullying sort of fat shaming still brings back all those insecurities. It hurts so many people in so many different categories.

[@lNoWayAroundItl]

25:34 Paul is just full of that hate and condescension. He has been a quick read. He is egotistical and vain. The way he attacks is pointless when you honestly don't give a fck. His insulting based on looks (as superficial as it is) is his own insecurity. Bet ya that if he lost his looks he would feel worthless. It is that mean girl vibe when someone has peaked and has nowhere to go from there. But all in all, you have a true and healthy love and a purpose that satisfies you and is rewarding. That is way more than Paul is going to be getting.

[@ianleonard1838]

I'm so glad yall brought up the dr Mike video bcuz I commented my story on there about my heart condition being misdiagnosed for years because of my weight and I got a really awful comment. They said "there's a reason they want you to lose weight, its because heart surgery on someone severely overweight is very risky" I responded by saying "I'm not severely overweight, and nobody mentioned surgery to me ever. But thanks" And they deleted their comment.

[@daneesledge1626]

8:50 their video popped up and I’ve never watched from their channel so started to and was so enraged after a couple minutes found myself starting to comment. Thankfully I remembered even negative comments benefit them and waited for a way like this to watch. As a follower of Christ I was so enraged by Paul and how hateful he is in the name of my God.

[@yourfac377]

I love your content. I love how you seem to portray yourself as a person. And you remind me of an old therapist that I saw for the better part of a decade. Watching your videos has encouraged me the potentially go back to therapy again at some point. Which I have some PTSD around. I grew up in foster care in California and had to attend therapy sessions once a week from when I was six years old until I was 18 years old. How I felt about going to therapy or my therapist didn't matter. If I refused to go to therapy or participate in the session I was punished. The state of California ordered me to go so I had to go. One day I found a therapist like you though, she was an art therapist and we did all of our therapy through ART. She petitioned the court so many times telling them the make continuing therapy was not only not beneficial to myself but it's not how therapy is supposed to work. Obviously the courts didn't care and forced me to keep going. She unfortunately refused me as a client eventually and cited ethics. (Understandable, and until I watched your videos I didn't understand that ethically she should not have continued seeing me and none of those therapist should have) TL;DR you seem like a wonderful therapist and your videos have encouraged me to address the PTSD I have around therapy and go back to therapy to start addressing the PTSD that I have from my childhood still. Screw Paul.

[@ashleyhirilall4141]

Just wanna say that I appreciate you all. You make me feel heard and sane in a delulu world

[@TheLadyWeaver]

You two are like...the rom com of realness I need in my life. Beautiful. Informed. Loving. Safe. Acknowleging you both bring shit to the table.

[@jex5649]

Listening to these episodes makes my week better 🥰 y'all are amazing

[@phoenixanderson3995]

you uploaded on the night I cant sleep!! Thank you!! something to watch until morning

[@sydvvt]

Same here, woohoo!

[@maxfreer6455]

The affirmations you gave in the video made me cry. Thank you for having this conversation, I needed to hear it.

[@Strawbibble]

Every time I listen to you guys I hear myself and my husband talking 😂

[@maryeckel9682]

I love that

[@sarahboyle5165]

Y’all are so freaking cute. Your love and appreciation for each other is so evident❤

[@ReeCrowsFray]

I love this conversation. I’m what I like to call “a skinny FAAAAAT” person. Gaining weight has always been a MAJOR issue. And I’m not talking like “…oh I wish I had a butt…” and I actually look like Kate Hudson or Taylor Swift. I’m not slim and sleek athletic. I’ve tried it all and even after pregnancy my weight landed right back to looking like I should be in my kids school, as a 5th grader. 😑 absolutely no butt, not chest, I do have lines of curves, which I appreciate, but I have floppy, wobbly, giggly cellulite. It’s upsetting that there’s never a “perfect” standard for women. Too skinny, too fat, too dark, too pale, hairs too short or thick or too much makeup, not enough makeup etc. it’s a dumbass argument to still be putting online. We’re not in 1996 anymore. Sorry Paul, according to your book, kindness, acceptance, and not being critical to others (ya know, the whole thing , “people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones…”) but I guess those lessons are conveniently not read. 👍🏻

[@elizabethmyers4117]

Listening to you talk about this is so helpful for me as a fellow fat person. I’m currently working through my own internalized fat phobia. I’m incredibly thankful for your content.

[@finngswan3732]

I just noticed the Korok with his own wittle couch!!!

[@ReforeSetka]

Donatella and Swine are like the two most underrated tracks on Art Pop omg I was so excited to hear Mickey loves it too!😊😊

[@MickeyAtkins]

Swine is SO GOOD

[@megamusicmessenger]

Donetalla is a great track and I love manicure