Micro gas turbine ,extremely quite and environment friendly مولد كهرباء صغير جدا يعمل على الغاز

[@tbamagic]

Pretty cool (hot, actually). Can't wait till Honda builds one of about 2-3KW to replace its piston versions.....

[@KallePihlajasaari]

I was most impressed by the laid back lab environment. Creative disorder.

[@cplai]

I can see a market for this. In winter time, when there is a power outage, most forced-air heating furnace will stop working because the blower fan is run by electric motor. This turbine generator can be built into a home heating furnace which warm the home and also produce enough power to drive the blower fan. i.e. a natural gas furnace can continue to work during a power outage.

[@mr2000jp]

exactly

[@bobo888bobo]

I agree, it seems like a waste to use natural gas for only heat when it could be used to make electricity and ultimately the same amount of heat. if the electricity produced were used to power a heat pump, then that would be more efficient than a regular gas furnace

[@WillBravoNotEvil]

That's been available for 40 years. My dad, a builder had one for jobsite use while awaiting temp electric service. About 3000 watts, gas or poropane running the ubiquitous Briggs & Stratton 3.5 HP piston banger. Easily run a SkilSaw or air compressor / nail gun. I'm not trying to be an ass. I WANT A TINY GAS TURBINE. But for market purposes, 7 years later, it's vaporware.

[@jamesbarratt593]

400 watts is that it. I have a 6kva petrol and it is double the size but i bet it uses less fuel.

[@CaptZenPetabyte]

I am here in 2020, looking for range extender solutions for my EV... and yet none of this still is ever available; prototypes are created and then gather dust in warehouses.

[@fakiirification]

its only 400 watts, and probably burns over a gallon per hour under load. gas turbines are clean burning, but inefficient for this scale. would not have enough juice to move an EV. like he says though, it might make a good power unit for a small robot if you have room for the fuel and dont want to recharge a battery.

[@observingrogue7652]

I know, right? I'm looking too for the same thing. I really like turbines for their power-to-weight ratios, they can run on many fuels, and I really, really like the sound of them. Were you successful finding a micro turbine generator, that can fit in a motorcycle? Do you know where I can buy a small, efficient gas-turbine or jet-engine? I've been looking for small or micro ones, about the size of a Pringles can, that are not the single compression stage ones for toy planes & helicopters. I think the toy ones are so inefficient, because they just have 1 compressor and 1 turbine stage, the literal bare minimum just to run. I've been looking for multi-compressor stage and multi turbine stage engines, or how to safely compound-turbocharge these toy jets, but haven't found either yet. Until I do, I'm stuck with small, turbocharged industrial engines like the Predator 212, but I'm also looking for liquid-cooled versions of THAT. This is so annoying, and I currently don't have the time & money, for trial & error experiments like this. I almost became homeless, because I foolishly tried doing my delivery job, with prototype Series-Hybrid scooters, while simultaneously learning about BEVs, Hybrids, and electrical engineering. I should have just put all my money into getting & maintaining a fast running motorcycle, to earn more money with my job, then focus on all this. Doing UberEATS in my area, with a normal bicycle or weak scooter, is a death-sentence.

[@weareallbeingwatched4602]

This is for telecoms

[@ryanroberts1104]

If you thought you were going to put a turbine generator in your car, you didn't ever have the brain to back up that project in the first place. "Range extenders" are readily available - it's called a generator. You can get one smaller than this with higher output and better fuel efficiency from Harbor Freight for about $100.

[@Seekerofknowledges]

@@ryanroberts1104 narrow minded nut heads like you drives me crazy. A less noisy turbine engine to extend range will be far more reliable and far efficient than your stupid 100$ motor.

[@DominiHarling]

Perfect to power an electric bicycle as a range extender.

[@olayeo5002]

Gas turbines

[@williamchapman2371]

@1:13 you have a box that is the size of a 2500 watt generator and you say it only produces 400watts. What are going to power that is only 400 watts? Why not use an inverter UPS instead. Much smaller and it runs on a 12 volt battery.

[@joerusso4219]

Yeah 400 watts so stupid you couldn't even run a full-size refrigerator it looks like one of the turbine engines for high end model planes.

[@leeyk8006]

How about the efficiency compared to stroke based engines? Anyway this is some kind of fuel cell which is somewhat expensive.

[@carlerickson74]

Would be cool to use one of these as an APU(auxiliary power unit) for RVs and trailers!

[@morbitron90]

Robots with turbine; doesn't that remind you of a Stracraft Marine? :D

[@IvanQuaglia]

hey hey! i was thinking the same! (marine armors with that "stoves" exhaust)

[@davepappas4503]

2022 and still waiting - is it the cost?

[@ryanroberts1104]

You're going to be waiting until the sun eventually dies and swallows up the earth. Not only is this never happening, 10 years later it's obsolete.

[@cypher10297]

It’s been 9 years. Japan is ahead of it’s time time always. Wish we were all like them! Propelling mankind forward!

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

How would it supposedly be "ahead of IT IS time"?

[@loctite222ms]

So this was 2013. Are they being used commercially anywhere? 400 watts is less than my microwave needs. Cost? Fuel efficiency? It's 2018 where are they now?

[@muntee33]

Simon WoodburyForget Pump water to elevated storage tank? Perhaps leave calculated air reservoir and pressurise it?

[@ryanroberts1104]

Where are they now? Dead. This was obsolete 10 years ago.

[@PistonAvatarGuy]

They should be developing these as range extenders for electric cars. They'd need to be more powerful, though.

[@mr2000jp]

i dont agree with you ,i think humanity should abandon all burnable fuel

[@PistonAvatarGuy]

***** That would be great if we had the technology to do it.

[@mr2000jp]

idontcare80 trust me , we have the technology already , and its perfect ,

[@PistonAvatarGuy]

***** And what technology is that?

[@mr2000jp]

if you happen to read about solar energy you will know that solar energy that hits planet earth every day is several times more than all the needs of that day of energy , all we need is to convert it from form to another , so we can use it were ever its needed , solar panels technology is now at its best , and its capable of collecting good percentage of the solar energy that hits it , the coast of making those solar panels are a fraction of what it used to cost 20 years ago ,

[@dhymers]

that is one very well spoken Geordie.

[@mr2000jp]

+Dave Hymers lol

[@GiesbertNijhuis]

I want one! Why can we not buy such micro gas turbine generators anywhere?

[@astrataway7077]

Expensive!

[@ryanroberts1104]

Because nobody with any real need wants one. Why would you spend multi-thousand dollars on a 400w generator? This video is 10 years old, and it was obsolete then. Today 10,000 watts of lithium battery takes up less space than this 400w absurd contraption. Also turbine engines have terrible fuel consumption. A 400w piston generator can be made for less than $50, often sold for less than $100. If it was turbine powered, 20x increase would still not be enough. This was never ever ever aimed at the home market for the average doofus to buy, this is for well funded companies. But it still doesn't even exist.

[@ArcturanMegadonkey]

This was 10 years ago, is it commercial yet?

[@Texaca]

...11 years now in May 17th, 2024 🤔

[@ArcturanMegadonkey]

@@Texaca I could google it lol

[@sailaway8244]

There were lots of this type of tech emerging around this point in time I assume the greens crushed it Baxi used to make a 6kw sterling engined CHP called "Ecogen" around this time ( no longer available)🥺

[@Blackcatholman]

Quite likely, the future of mobile power plants will be gas turbines. They are cleaner, produce more power per kilogram, and have very few moving parts. One of the key things about turbines is that the combustion of the fuel is a continuous process, unlike reciprocating engines, which only burn the fuel for a short moment, before exhausting the partially burned fuel.

[@mr2000jp]

Blackcat Holman its less harm to the environment , which makes it a lot better , but i hope it would be the second solution after the sun and wind power

[@JimLahey21]

Using twice the fuel (worst case) of a similar output reciprocating diesel

[@ThePaulv12]

The compressor section pumping losses for turbines are horrendous. For a 400w output probably the compressor section consumes ~1KW all of which has to be paid for in fuel. Some turbines produce 8500hp yet only have 2500hp available for work - the full 8500hp having to be paid for in fuel (and air).

[@matthewstorm5188]

@@JimLahey21 Depends. Gas turbines can be VERY efficient. BUT, when it comes to gas turbines, high efficiency doesn’t scale down to small sizes very well. A large gas turbine (50+MW) can approach 50% efficiency. But when you bring things down to, say, a megawatt or two, efficiency has already dropped to maybe 20-30% 400W? Don’t ask.

[@amejaremy]

@@ThePaulv12 what and when are your sources? modern day units run at 90% or better.

[@chloesinclair7464]

The developer of it? Capstone was selling these in 1997.

[@fanplant]

To be fair I think the small capstone was 30kw. The suitcase in this video is 0.4kw

[@qfman2]

Do you have a version that works with SCCO2 at 600C? 5 to 10 KWe out pout would be perfect.

[@kiloton1920]

Can scco2 be used as fuel?

[@qfman2]

@@kiloton1920 No it is for use with an external heat source.

[@alexgoldstein7997]

The organization of the lab reminds me of my own workspace.

[@williamvaughan1218]

MAKE 100 MILLION OF THEM PLEASE

[@gasturbine101]

I've searched google can't find anything except my own published stuff! Can you send me the link to the manual, do you have contact at IHI? Thanks Ian

[@ConradZ3-41]

Im only a teen, but i enjoy reworking and analyzing complex schematics in order to create schematics of my own including: Hydraulically assisted eco-suits, advanced portable life support systems for in-atmosphere use, enhanced recognition systems that use a geometric overlay produced by sonar to identify objects without any human input, and remote endoskeletons capable of surviving in virtually any environment (within reason). One problem i did have was that I needed to come up with some sort of ultra efficient net-positive generator to power my schematics and this is exactly what i thought would work. 1:59

[@genghischuan4886]

can I buy a kit at least?

[@ancelb9590]

is this available commercially yet?

[@mr2000jp]

yes

[@ancelb9590]

@@mr2000jp link to it?

[@mr2000jp]

@@ancelb9590 sorry , we dont have connection with the producer

[@ryanroberts1104]

*No, it isn't, and it never will be.* It's a "neat" idea, but it's already obsolete. You could stuff 10+KW of lithium batteries into the case where they are getting .4kw on gasoline. The person who made this video does not understand generators or turbine engines at all.

[@doggonemess1]

As a power source for robots, I could see that. Just be careful where the exhaust comes out...

[@carlubambi5541]

Awesome technology .Connected DC power to AC 8nvertwr and you can operate just about any equipment

[@aggabus]

00:00:01 gravine 1:48 330k rpm

[@IvanQuaglia]

I guess the output is converted mechanically to an electrical generator? will be possible to make a "not very big" mod to allow also to rehuse the heat for moving a vapour turbine?

[@jjhack3r]

Totally possible but would likely triple the size for maybe 10 or 20% more power. Not worth it since if you're after efficiency, you should just use a regular generator.

[@rudde7251]

Did this ever hit market?

[@akldb1]

Power per unit volume seems very low. I estimate a big turbine is around 0.16cc/watt. This unit is ~ 25 time worse. This isn't going to help as a range extender yet.

[@Taahmim]

what will be the cost? can natural gas work?

[@CUBETechie]

I think yes

[@wojciechpopiel9887]

what's the gas consumption per 1kw of electricity generated ?

[@ryanroberts1104]

If this thing was made, which it is not, it would be higher than that of a piston generator, so probably in the range of 3-5kwh/gallon.

[@omnipitous4648]

This is brilliant. Enough energy to recharge electric cars. I'm all in.

[@donraptor6156]

400 watts won't even run your refrigerator. It couldn't charge a car battery in a week!

[@Stephen7372]

Is this American gas which is petrol or natural gas ? How effecient is it ?

[@ryanroberts1104]

Gas is short for "gasoline", that only makes sense. "Petrol" is a fake word. It's still "gasoline" in Europe. The term "gas" can also mean vapor fuels like natural gas and propane, all of these run the same in a turbine engine.

[@JohnForbes]

In the video they said they expected the product to be commercialised in two years. It has been about two years since then. Any news on when it will be available; and from where?

[@mr2000jp]

John Forbes sorry , but we don't have any connections with the producer , probably you can search the google for the company name , you might find their website

[@SimplyPachi]

Do you know what's the rate of mass flow at the inlet of the compressor estage?

[@mr2000jp]

actually no , sorry , im just providing the video but im not a specialist

[@gasturbine101]

I need a owners manual for my Dynajet 2.6, have you a contact in IHI that could get me one please? Many Thanks Ian

[@jpvill4th]

There is a similar gas turbine developed in America using mostly off-the-shelf components. It produces 80Kw. It is being used to drive electric generators on buses and garbage trucks. I heard about it in a TED talk. It is bigger than this unit but it will burn virtually any fuel, as well as common fuels. It spins at commonly seen speeds as you would find in turbochargers. Nothing approaching 300K to 400k rpm. Why were busses and garbage trucks chosen? Because of the typical stop and go driving that is much better suited to an electric vehicle.

[@manniom]

Source?

[@captainotto]

@@manniom Based on the bus reference and 80kw, I'm thinking Capstone turbines. They're single shaft centrifugal compressors with a single stage power turbine and foil bearings. They have a recouperator and are often used for CHP applications as the flue gas still has a decent amount of heat in them.

[@thirdiii171]

This is what the car companies afraid of for EV's development.

[@Hurpdurpdipidydoo]

330,000 rpm is mind blowing

[@KaletheQuick]

That is quite quiet.

[@pim21764]

they show an axial engine but it is a centrifugical one

[@garywheeler7039]

I wish there was a cut-away model or at least a picture of the fan blades with an idea of scale. It seems like magic to have a 2 kg motor that could generate 400 watts of power so quietly and cleanly, I can't help but be slightly unconvinced. More reasurance needed.

[@samsteele4650]

its not the watts its the amps!!!!

[@pierrekinbrand]

@@samsteele4650 what do you mean? Watts are the unit by which power i.e. the capability to do work is measured. Amps are the unit by which current is measured, and without knowing other circuit parameters, a current measurement doesn’t reveal much about a devices ability to do work. Furthermore from the rack mount form factor, and the 48v nominal voltage as indicated on the panel, I assume this unit is designed for telecoms backup, and that the nominal current would therefore be around 8 ampere.

[@samsteele4650]

@@pierrekinbrand amps times volts equal watts. So?

[@shawncell1247]

why is it not on the market in 2021

[@ryanroberts1104]

Because it's already obsolete and this company probably ran out of development money. They had no actual customers or usage in mind. Today, you could put 10,000 watts of lithium batteries in the same space this uses to make 400 watts. It's entirely pointless.

[@francis8062]

Japan no. 1

[@markrix]

Taco bell, gas generator 😂

[@williamchapman2371]

what do you mean when you say it is extremely quite? Quite what?

[@aggabus]

1200 gram to 400w 3g to 1w 1g to 15w are out there But those do not do not include engine.. This turbine is 1/5 Of overall weight (say i)? So 3 ton 1 mw.. The gen head is not the star here.. I was hoping so but. The beauty is 400k rpm.

[@aggabus]

Mag bearing?[must)

[@TroubledCarOwner]

I think air bearings. The speed of rotation at idle is more than enough to produce a film of high pressure air at the shaft to suspend the rotor.

[@damiansmith3725]

Yep, my local store sells the petrol version of the larger 750 watt generator, it is $99 including taxes. It is also a simpler 4 stroke.

[@mr2000jp]

Damian Smith ok , but what about noise it makes ? how noisy is it ?

[@Blackcatholman]

Damian Smith Simpler? How many moving parts in a four stroke engine? There is only one primary part in this turbine engine, the shaft that connects the exhaust turbine to the compressor.

[@mr2000jp]

Blackcat Holman oh , i see , you are right

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

It's extremely quite... what? What adjective did you have in mind that the word "quite" would be intensifying? And why would you need "quite" when you already have "extremely"?

[@clementgoetke2385]

so all that money to power 4 light bulbs

[@hansemist]

This could suit to power electric trains on longer distances.

[@MrMaxitaple]

Something similar it's already using in trains

[@ryanroberts1104]

LOL! That's how trains have worked since the 60s. But no, nothing of this size would ever be useful on a train.

[@ryanroberts1104]

No, it couldn't possibly have any effect on trains. Do you know how incredible little 400w is? You cannot charge a GOLF CART with that...

[@iosef3337]

This is an over-50-years invetion...

[@yonglinalbontiong6092]

Put it in as a range extender engine. ELECTRIC CAR THEN NEED LESS BATTERY.

[@ryanroberts1104]

You clearly have no idea how much electricity electric cars use or how much gas turbines burn. You would get less MPG than a semi truck. 400 watts is not enough to charge a car, not even 1/10th of enough.

[@noutram1000]

400 Watts? Rolls Royce is testing a 300kg gas turbine / generator that delivers 2.5MWatt...

[@69uremum]

Small gas turbines are expensive, they also use alot of kerosene mixed with oil.

[@danadurnfordkevinblanchdebunk]

Have to strongly disagree that the price of "a few thousand dollars" is not at all comparable to similar units on the market. Starts coming closer if the power output is 10 times what it is.

[@ryanroberts1104]

Well, a Honda 2800w generator is indeed around $2000. It wasn't very long ago their 1000w model was still around $1,000. Yes, you can buy a cheap garbage homeowner model for less, but that is not what they are comparing to. I just bought a "cheap" non-Honda inverter generator, and it still cost $1,200 with electric start for 3500 watts...and I got a really good deal. Outside homeowner land, it's nothing for a business to spend $5,000 on just one generator for one project and then just abandon it.

[@danadurnfordkevinblanchdebunk]

@@ryanroberts1104 Many brands of generators in that power range are available at one third the cost. If you want to over pay for something you will hardly ever use, knock yourself out.

[@ryanroberts1104]

@@danadurnfordkevinblanchdebunk LOL! You have no idea what you are talking about. Some people like quality, some people like shit. Kind of like cars. You seem like the old Kia minivan type. You're trying to compare the cost of this turbine generator which would obviously be intended for very high end applications to cheap shit generators you can buy at harbor freight. Not a valid comparison. And how the fuck could you possibly know how much I use my generator? No, I don't want some POS that will die after 3 uses and sounds like a weed wacker.

[@kenrose1154]

700 kw is alot for its size

[@PiDsPagePrototypes]

Put one in the trunk of an EV, range extender that only switches on when the batteries drop below 20%.

[@ryanroberts1104]

They call that a Chevy Volt. Except no need for ridiculous turbine engines, just a normal onboard gas generator.

[@PiDsPagePrototypes]

@@ryanroberts1104 boring....

[@ryanroberts1104]

@@PiDsPagePrototypes You're such a moron. You think you've come up with a new idea...you have not. Turbine engines are terribly inefficient power sources, especially small ones.

[@axiongoblininterests1280]

1 Unit Golf Car Power

[@ryanroberts1104]

As cool as this is and as much as I want one, it's clear it never actually worked...10 years later nobody has ever heard of it. Today you can cram around10KW of lithium batteries in the same size space with no flammable fuel or exhaust...400 watts won't power an electric drill.

[@mr2000jp]

you might be right ،

[@Osamailyas]

It's a prototype

[@multilis2]

downside is poor efficiency when small engine.

[@genghischuan4886]

this would be perfect for electric cars and man sized drones for personal flight. I realize this is small one but maybe a little larger for more power and man I see personal small aircraft really taking off. shoot I see homes powering themselves with propane cheaper than grid

[@gasturbine101]

PLEASE CONTACT ME RE MICRO GAS TURBINE GENERATORS PLEASE HELP ME I NEED INFO FOR DYNAJET 2.6 THANKYOU

[@igostupidfast3]

dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/42200 I found this market study

[@somedude3639]

portable turbine only making 400 watts..

[@TheHulabob]

WHY CANT AMERICANS BUILD IT NOW

[@Stone2home]

400 Watts = mistake, by far.

[@erasethepatterns1]

Agreed, should be much more efficient than that. I like the idea as far as hybrid/crossover tech till 100% electric takes the show.

[@Spirit532]

For a palmtop 330krpm turboshaft(or is it turbojet?) engine, with entirely clean emissions, I think it's way more than enough. Scaling it up might get difficult though. It's the "lift by yourself but power a car" engine range that is extremely difficult to get efficient, quiet, and clean.

[@RonWagner]

@@Spirit532 How about use for a hybrid that charges the car battery ?

[@Spirit532]

@@RonWagner You'll be burning more fuel to generate that 440W than you would running a 1kW piston generator.

[@RonWagner]

@@Spirit532 Thanks for that info. Apparently good for cold climates if you use the heat properly. It seems that a generator would be cheaper and easier to get serviced. Noisier though?

[@BatteryGeekReviews]

So I guess they'll be selling gas turbine powered sex robots in a few years, LOL

[@LovenoteDigital]

Sex sells. It drives pretty much everything in terms of technology. Webcams, bandwidth, etc. As long as there is demand, there will be market for it. LVAD pumps for people with bad hearts operate like turbines. It's not that big of a stretch to see a robotic companion using such technology, potentially with cooling loops reminiscent of blood circulation doubling as a way to provide warmth without EGT hotspots.

[@mr2000jp]

yes they might , its all about money

[@mr2000jp]

LovenoteDigital totally true

[@mattcodot5550]

ya koyo ngono

[@mr2000jp]

ancen ngono

[@TheHulabob]

BECAUSE( this space for comments>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>)

[@aggabus]

400 w.. ÷ 333k r

[@tireballastserviceofflorid7771]

Environmentally friendly? What a load of crap. Your maybe 50% as efficient as a gas piston engine. It's pure physics. If you say otherwise your you don't k own or your lying.

[@aggabus]

333,333.000333rpm

[@clubasbunkeras5738]

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[@vetalturlin1594]

I bought plans from woodprix and I made it very fast.