Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 VR - What WE KNOW So Far.... PLUS MSFS 2024 VR Gameplay

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[@melirentas]

Hi! I'm Jose's wife. I came to say hello, and thanks for that kind shout-out. The VR and MSFS community seem to be the nicest community I've seen on KZbin. Blessings to you and much success.

[@a5cent]

Such a nice community! Your husband is great!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Hey Melissa, great to see you here. My very best to you, Jose and your family. I hope one day we can all meet up in person. Best wishes X

[@ThorNjord]

Folks, we must take the dev stream by storm this Wednesday Sept 25 (1730Z I think) so our burning VR questions are heard and answered!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

💯

[@acratone8300]

I may be wrong, but I seem to remember hearing Jorg saying they will not be taking live questions during the Sept 25 event like they did for the last one. They will be answering questions that they generally have seen in forums all along. But they will be too busy with other things for live questions.

[@pilotembgamers4644]

Get ready for Marsel to defect any VR question that comes his way. Calling it now.

[@lurchilurch5507]

​​@@pilotembgamers4644hahaha so true "I can't tell you sh*t, BUT.. it will be mindblowing"

[@christianleukel8163]

looking forward for MS2024 VR

[@stachowi]

Worried about performance

[@MrBBywaters]

To Asobo: Improving VR in MSFS 2024 will distinguish this Sim/Game from every other. It is possibly the most important VR experience in the world right now. Perfecting the VR capabilities of MSFS 2024 opens the market to every VR headset owner and future owner as a Digital Tourist. Immersion is the desire of all VR enthusiasts, and MSFS 2024 offers an unequaled immersive experience. 2024 is the closest thing we have to a digital representation of the world. Full focus on VR will set the standard for everything that comes after. Thanks for creating an amazing Sim! I can't wait to explore everything you've done.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

1000% agree

[@notaspectator]

This is pretty much the only game id like to play at all. I will be setting up half of my future office studio as flight sim experience and training. Except there are only 30,000 ppl in my town

[@ervmoore1111]

Good news is always welcomed! Excited!! Can’t wait to start tweaking to get most out of VR! 😂❤

[@cyrilgpilot]

Every little optimisation is welcome! With better graphics, having same fps thant msfs2020 is already a good thing. Better fps is such a good news. Then when dfr will come i will be the happiest guy in France with my pimax crystal and H3. My mife doesn't share my thoughts 😂

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

😁😁

[@x32i77]

Fixed foveated rendering is meh . Dynamic foveated rendering is absolute a must + Quad View Rendering. Look at Kayak Vr , how much of an uplift in performance it made in Varjo Xr4 . From 37 fps to locked 90 fps at 50 ppd 🤯

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I agree, but least we are heading in the right direction.

[@taghazog]

But Dynamic Foveated Rendering and Quad View is the same thing, right?

[@bigbangerz5856]

@@taghazog they work in different ways to achieve similar things i.e. a performance boost by giving you the highest image quality where you looking using eye tracking. Apparently quad views is better because it can lower the pixel resolution where as DFR tends to lower detail/quality and thus yield better performance gains.

[@a5cent]

​​​​@@bigbangerz5856 In regard to understanding how Quad-Views relates to DFR: What you're describing is how the market developed. It's happenstance, attributed mostly to one game implementing a "poor-man's" DFR by just turning off some post processing effects in the regions outside the fovea. But that is not what DFR refers to. DFR is the generalized term. This term applies to anything that optimizes rendering based on eye-tracking. Quad-Views is one specific KIND of DFR, so @taghazog is correct to say that Quad-Views and DFR are the "same thing". It's comparable to saying dogs and animals are the same thing. Maybe that's not the perfect description, because dogs are a KIND of animal, but it's not wrong either. In theory, every application could have its own approach to implementing DFR. There is also no technical reason to be limited to 4 views. There may be sox, or eight views, or any other number, and what is done with those views is also up to the developer. Nobody dictates Resolution is what must differ. The OpenXR 1.1 spec is pretty flexible. Four views being rendered at two different resolutions is just an obvious and straight forward choice for DFR.

[@a5cent]

​@@taghazog Almost. Foveated rendering (FR) is the generalized term. If it's based on eye-tracking it's called dynamic FR (DFR). Quad-Views is a KIND of FR, the way a cat is a KIND of animal. Quad-Views is not necessarily DFR. It can be, provided the application supports it and the headset integrates eye-tracking. Quad-Views is the name of the approach to FR invented by Varjo, which has been adopted by OpenXR 1.1.

[@alexanderwerneburg8642]

I cant wait to check out the difference in VR when 24 drops, I have to say MSFS 2020 in VR is my favourite VR experience and I have really great hopes for the near future.

[@michaelduernecker684]

Thank you very much. Now i have a Pimax Crystal light too. Amazing Item. I come from Reverb G2 with 4090 and 7950X3D. Not only the Picture is so much better. It runs soo smooth with Pimax OpenXR Tool. Better then the Pimax Play Beta with integradet Open XR.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Nice one Michael, I'm really glad to hear that. Looks like you are all set for the new sim :)

[@acratone8300]

My hardware is less 4070 not super not ti and 5800X3D. My Crystal Light has better image, stability, fps than my old G2 which I sold on eBay 6 months ago.

[@LEmir_de_Passy]

Thanks for the video!

[@mountainflyer2718]

Can't wait. Fs2020 has been fantastic (even with the frustrating niggles) Fs2024 looks as if these will be ironed out and the core sim improved on. Now VR is seen as it's own platform I think it will go from strength to strength. We're very lucky!

[@fastfrankee]

i will give it another try, fingers crossed hey!

[@freddielaker2707]

I watched it, Great video and so informative. I ordered it after I watched it.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thank you 😊

[@David..B]

Please please hope they have fixed the view and windows resetting at the end of the flights when battery or avionics are switched off!,

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I'm with you there. I HATE that so much.

[@pilotembgamers4644]

Marsell said in a dev stream that it “couldn’t be replicated” despite it happening every single time. I have doubts they care this time around.

[@David..B]

@@pilotembgamers4644 that's a joke, its so easy to reproduce, its more obvious if you have repositioned the seating position though

[@David..B]

@@VRFlightSimGuy its the most annoying thing if you have just landed and want to take off again and have multiple windows open

[@jessekoepp3928]

I don't see anything not to like personally.

[@TBMPilot736]

Hope the transition to 24 will be smooth, I actually haven’t got a clue on how and especially where to install the new Sim on my pc. Wouldn’t want to screw up the „old“ one!!

[@sirgriffinman]

We need quad views rendering. Period. They need to stop screwing around and dodging the issue and do it. This isnjust getting ridiculous at this point.

[@a5cent]

These terms are all used very inconsistently throughout the community. Here's some technical background to help the community make sense of this all: This video states that MSFS2024 supports FFV. If that is true, then MS2024 already supports quad views (technically the XR_VARJO_quad_views extension as specified by the OpenXR 1.1 API specification). Why? Because FFV already requires TWO separate regions to be rendered per eye, one high-detail and one low-detail region. With two eyes, that gives as four views. Quad-Views! However, what we really need Asobo to do is deliver DFV. This is not much different from FFV. It also requires quad-views. The difference is merely that the location of the high-detail regions change with each frame, based on eye-tracking data. We only associate DFR with quad-views because most of us were introduced to the concept by mbucchia and his quad-views-foviated project.

[@Nlogax]

The bigger achievement will be to keep my Reverb G2 going beyond the death of WMR. I'm not going near Win11 24H2 or any other feature updates from now on.

[@generalgrevous2458]

VR Pilot had to ask them to set up a VR station...that's how serious they are about VR. And add the fact a head developer still uses a G2 that isn't even supported anymore?! 😵‍💫

[@ThorNjord]

Which of orthofps and smoothflight is best in the meantime? Thanks Steve, great info!😊

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I personally prefer smooth flight 👍

[@NovaGeddon771]

Great video as always! The OpenXR Toolkit that we currently use is what makes the 2020 sim a better experience for VR. I can’t imagen the OpenXR Toolkit is going to work in the 2024 sim, since there is no more support for it. Do you know if 2024 has an embedded tool that will work just like the OpenXR Toolkit?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thankyou 😊 We may not need it in 2024, although to be fair it does have some killer features. I guess we'll see. But I'd imagine the core open XR architecture will remain the same.

[@x32i77]

Hopefully quad view dfr natively supported otherwise vr will make no sense for this game since you will need an rtx 8090 to run it properly smooth with headsets like Somnium or xr4 and Pimax super

[@mikegc3816]

Definitely need an 8090!

[@paranoidparanoid6090]

It would be good if this came out on quest 3 standalone, if it's well optimized it could not only run but deliver acceptable graphics.

[@a5cent]

Never will. Nowhere near the required performance. This is as reasonable as expecting FS2024 to be ported to a Nintendo console.

[@uberdenwolken4564]

Maybe Condor Soaring would be possible (as it is not that heavy graphics and runs already very very smooth on pc) But with Asobo you will never get MSFS ready for any standalone.

[@a5cent]

@@uberdenwolken4564 We can get anything to run on any system. We can port the sim to a Commodore 64 if we want and call it FS2024. It just won't look or feel like what people expect FS2024 to be. It's software. It's infinitely malleable. Stand-alone VR is geared more towards the casual gamer, which is why I call it Nintendo VR.

[@BigSmoke861]

I hope it works

[@b6s4shelter]

Did ms not invite you to the grand canyon event? Sad... Your channel is a bigger FS focused channel.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Unfortunately not

[@b6s4shelter]

@@VRFlightSimGuy there were names there I've never heard of. That's unfortunate. Perhaps there will be a European leg

[@RTRT-de8vz]

Hi really enjoying your videos I have a question I was wondering if you would know the answer to- will the hardware like honeycomb and saitek panels still need Spade Next software to make it work with the new flight simm Thank you.

[@elmaxlife]

Why bother visiting a foreign country in real life when you can do it in MSFS 2024 😂 What a world we live in

[@michaelduernecker684]

What Version of MSFS 2024 would you buy? Steam or Store? I use a other M2 SSD for Sims. 4 TB big.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I'm probably going for the premium deluxe on the MS store.

[@acratone8300]

Whatever your current version of MSFS is (Steam or Store), please get the same version of 2024 if you don't want to buy much of your content all over again! the differences between steam or store is small. Whatever you have from the Steam marketplace in 2020 will carry over free to 2024 steam marketplace. Not if you switch from Steam 2020 to Store 2024. The issue if trying to go from 2020 Store to 2024 steam. Stick with whatever version you have and save a ton of money.

[@Despiser25]

VR simply needs a "killer app" and Microsoft Flight Simulator should have been it. People that dont like VR probably have never used VR properly. Quadview from Pimax looks premising. Are they using WMR in this demo? Will OpenXR be integrated? One of the annoyances right now is the 4090 never seems to break a sweat. Most mem I can use is 12 of the 22gbs. Do I need a 50xx?

[@lurchilurch5507]

Hmm why do you think FFR within the game would bring better performance boosts than via OXRTK?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Explained in the video

[@lurchilurch5507]

Not really...? You say Q3 games were improved a lot by FFR. But there the comparison is between no FFR and integrated FFR, not between FFR on a higher layer and integrated FFR. I'm not saying it definitely WON'T be better, just interested what the reasoning is. At the end of the day all both methods are doing is lowering resolution in the periphery. Hope you're right though!

[@lucasrabello6717]

Will Open XR Toolkit work in MSFS2024? It has some other useful features

[@acratone8300]

I don't know but everybody seems to be guessing that it will.

[@TeaBreak.]

2 questions... Currently we have all sorts of layers like steam vr, open XR, virtual desktop to play msfs2020. Do we need these for the headset to work with msfs2024? (we have a Q3 and Pico 4). Second, How many days do we need to book off work to play msfs2024? 😂

[@a5cent]

This is a complicated question. It depends on the headset you're using. First, be aware that SteamVR refers to two things: 1) The Store through which Valve distributes VR enabled games. 2) Steam's OpenVR runtime, which connects the game/application to the Valve Index or other OpenVR compatible headsets. I'll be referring only to OpenVR here, as it's more precise. Newer games and newer headsets don't use Steam's OpenVR. Only OpenXR. This includes games on Steam, because Valve retired OpenVR back in 2020. It's no longer in development. OpenVR is legacy tech at this point. MSFS2024 only supports OpenXR. With a newer headset, we have an OpenXR MSFS2024 connecting directly to an OpenXR headset. that's it. No additional layers involved. In other words, you need three things: - MSFS2024 - OpenXR runtime - The VR headset driver Pimax has integrated OpenXR into PimaxXR (their driver), so for Pimax users it will be only two things that are needed. With older headsets, where the manufacturer never provided OpenXR support (such as Occulus, the original HTC Vive, Vive Pro, Vive Pro 2 or the Valve Index), we need something translating between the OpenXR MSFS2024 and the OpenVR headset. For those headsets Steam will always be part of the mix, acting as a translation layer between the two. This will be a particular pain in the rear for those to don't purchase MSFS2024 on Steam, and will have to configure OpenVR usage themselves.

[@uberdenwolken4564]

Really? You were not invited by Asobo?

[@Steve-yg5dq]

Will there be any Microsoft Flight Simulator Vr in this Microsoft Flight Simulator Vr video about Microsoft Flight Simulator Vr?

[@GrundleStiltSkin]

looks like low frames per usual. 🤷‍♂

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

VR footage is VR footage

[@jessekoepp3928]

And why that is, has been explained at least a hundred times.

[@acurisur]

VR footage always looks like that, it's hard to capture for flat screen. When you're in the headset it'll look completely different

[@GrundleStiltSkin]

@@VRFlightSimGuy where do you think the performance will land? it LOOKS like 30 frames so it can't be 90.

[@GrundleStiltSkin]

@@jessekoepp3928 i have VR, an extensive sim setup and have recorded it. that footage looks like 30 or below.

[@theegodelpozo]

Honestly not one single KZbinr came up with a professional review/ test of this 2024 beta preview. Nothing about technical aspects, specs, hardware used, nothing.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Don't blame me, I wasn't invited 😅

[@theegodelpozo]

@@VRFlightSimGuy of course pal!! That's what I exactly mean... 24 youtubers went there and most of them don't even know what a PIMAX Crystal is.

[@donpardo9093]

hi