The Slow Death of Windows

[@TechAltar]

I had to re-upload this video because in the first version there were some glitches with the audio. Specifically, Final Cut has a bug where it will seemingly randomly mute parts of an audio track. I thoroughly checked the Nebula version, which had no problems so I assumed the YT version would be fine too, but it wasn't. I know, kind of ironic to upload a video sponsored by a microphone and talking about how stable the connection is just to have the audio glitch, lol. Anyway, enjoy the video and check out the ModMic with a 15% discount by using my code “TA15” and this link (sponsored): antlionaudio.com/?KZbin&TA&NQ423

[@muhalimachrus406]

Lol, at first, I thought this was weird censorship.

[@vasylzhydun8879]

I also thought, the mic sponsor and glitch combo is kinda funny)

[@kineticsyntax]

Very interesting video, and I will be looking forward to future content. The original video auto played when it was unlisted, I left a comment about it and when I went to sub and edit the comment the video was down and I was unable to find you, however I have found you once again and I will continue were I left off.

[@NizaSiwale]

Why didn’t you show the graph of Microsoft’s revenue as well. As a company they’ve grown and Windows is no longer their primary revenue source

[@OrigEntertainmentOfficial]

Which version of FCPX are you using?

[@gslim7337]

Considering how much data mining MS does I find it incredible that they manage to consistently misunderstand the needs of their customers

[@stefannilsson2406]

lmfao! So true!

[@NotSoMuchFrankly]

Lily Thomlin had a joke about AT&T long ago when everyone had landlines b/c AT&T figured that cellphones would be a costly transition for them and they had no competition so why bother: _"We're AT&T. We don't care. We don't have to."_ As for MS not understanding the needs (or desires) of the customers? Oh they know damn well. _They just don't care. They don't have to. They're Microsoft._

[@fuckshit8208]

The overwhelming majority of Microsoft's revenue comes from the corporate sector. Server products, Cloud computing solutions, the Microsoft 365 ecosystem... so on and so forth. Let's say you purchase a new computer every five years. A Windows 11 Home license costs $139 to buy outright and is much cheaper (around $60) if it comes preinstalled with the PC you purchase from BestBuy or wherever. My organization spends around $139 on licensing per user every three months. That's just licensing for the 365 suite and we're a small-medium sized company. That number doesn't count any of the other sources of revenue that I've mentioned, either. When you put things into perspective, they understand the needs of their customers very well. It just so happens that if you're a personal Windows user, you're not really a customer, more like a cow to have your data mined and sold for ad revenue. I'm sorry to break the news to some people.

[@FarrellMcGovern]

They don't use it...they sell it!

[@partitionhlep]

they aren't using the data for anything but money

[@larkivisto]

Microsoft shot itself and continues to shoot in the foot by chasing fads when most people just want a stable operating system that stays out of the way. I'd still be using Windows 7 if it was still supported.

[@megatronskneecap]

You can still use it. Opera still supports it and you just need an antivirus and a firewall. Also, install something you can monitor your IP communications with like wireshark so you know if something sketchy is going on.

[@megatronskneecap]

And that Areo glass is gorgeous. Theres also so much less s*it on it.

[@koshnarnarek5910]

Exactly. If only Microsoft made an operating system that was what people actually wanted, they would have no problem maintaining their market share and wouldn't need to chase these silly fads. But with Microsoft, it's always about pleasing shareholders ahead of doing things the right way or making meaningful improvements for its customers.

[@scifino1]

@@megatronskneecap Steam doesn't, though.

[@Knowbody42]

They saw how successful Android and iPhones were, and decided to try to force windows to become a mobile OS with Windows 8. It was just awful. And they didn't exactly admit they were wrong, they just slowly evolved their ham-fisted mobile UI to become more of a desktop UI.

[@azopxt]

Users: We want a clean stable and well done operating system! Microsoft: *Adds AI bloat in every corner of the OS*

[@st.altair4936]

Then spends the next few years ripping the bloat out, wasting resources and making the OS even less coherent

[@AmigaWolf]

Just use Pop OS (Linux), works fantastic on my two computers, Mini Media/Console-PC and my Game-PC.

[@deann7898]

​@@AmigaWolflinux just isn't there yet for gaming. anyone saying otherwise is lying or willfully ignorant. linux has come a long way and has a lot more support for major titles but there are still plenty of popular titles that simply will not run on linux. i love a lot of stuff about linux but it's still not a great "works out of the box" experience for the common end-user. with the amount of control you get over every aspect of your system is the tradeoff of having to do lots of stuff yourself, even with distros that aim to be more user-friendly like popOS, mint, ubuntu, etc. there's also a lack of well fleshed out apps and the community seems to hyper focus on things being bloat free rather than having great functionality.

[@CommandoBlack123]

@@deann7898 It got much better. But still isn't perfect yeah. Its the best for emulation though

[@OutOfNameIdeas2]

Broken ai crap with ads if I may add

[@stevenpike7857]

I remember when I would remove Windows built in bloatware, and then secretly in the background, they would load it back up again. Peeved me off to no end.

[@B_-.-]

This was the final straw that made me move to linux. A few weeks ago it downloaded the "New" outlook. I didn't even have the old outlook. This was after hours of running scripts to de-bloat too.

[@PwnySlaystation01]

"removing old context menus etc" Often, those old context menus are the only way, or easiest way to do things. They pushed the new base interfaces (Settings, etc) without actually finishing it. It's still not finished.

[@mikkelens]

still waiting for the day that a modern windows menu can outdo all the legacy windows 7 system utilities that are slowly getting replaced. Have they improved Regedit, Control Panel, "Advanced" Firewall, Network Adapter settings, Sound Control Panel etc. in Win11? They never did in Win10 and I haven't jumped to 11 yet. At this point I think they've just realized that its too much effort to change stuff that most users try not to touch anyways.

[@stanzacosmi]

most of those are either the same or worse. control panel is missing options even from win10, regedit is the same, same to the firewall, network adapter settings is more confusing now, and sound control panel is probably the only part that's better, but that's because functionally it's the same but now actually blends with the rest of the OS@@mikkelens

[@PwnySlaystation01]

@@stanzacosmi Exactly

[@STCatchMeTRACjRo]

​@@stanzacosmi most windows users dont use advance features, or at least the people i interacted the most. They just want to plug and play (use/work). If that were the case, the development team could have viewed those areas as not that important, if only a small % interacts with it. But that's just my opinion.

[@stanzacosmi]

@@STCatchMeTRACjRo My dad just uses the web browser, and sometimes things happen that result in needing those advanced settings to fix issues that occur either from a computer or router update. so no, they still need to be in tip top shape

[@olican101]

The issue is all the half finished features. The UI is a mess. For example, transparrency. Not even all their OWN apps support it. WinAero looked and functioned better than Windows 11 transparency and was MUCH more consistent. I'll never understand why they scrapped it only to trickle it back in.

[@haralds.5832]

Exactly. Not to mention The lack of system admin settings, the fact that you need internet and a windows account to even use it, etc. etc.

[@ShiroColdkeyesTheHedgehog]

Windows Experience Index Score System in Windows 7 was actually good; it should be brought back to handle modern cpus and gpus

[@xpforevergaming8609]

​@@ShiroColdkeyesTheHedgehogIt wasn't completely useless, but had its shortcomings. For instance, swapping an HDD for literally any SSD would max out your score for drive performance. Which isn't very accurate, as there are clear differences between SSDs. For instance a low-end SSD without DRAM vs some high(er)-end NVME drive.

[@MarchettLPR]

the worst is that win aero continues to run in the background on the system. It was not eliminated, they just removed all transparency so that the "legacy" part of the system adapts more to the minimalist interface that they wanted to adopt in the visual Frankenstain of Windows 8 and then they never returned it to normal. all windows in non-windows store apps work under aero

[@BloodyMobile]

Win 10 originally had "themes" which allowed to apply different looks to the OS, similar to what 7 introduced. Then they took that away, forced updates for the win. It was also afaik originally possible to rearrage windows of the same process in the taskbar, so you could for example have 2 Explorer windows open, and if the left window on the task bar was actually on the right monitor, you could go hover over the window group and then rearrange them in the taskbar so the window on the right monitor is also on the right side of the taskbar group. Can't do that either. In 7 it's possible with a 3rd party tool at least. Windows is to me just THE example for removing features that (a portion of) users actually liked. Like how since 7 the option was removed to set the power button to "Ask me" and you got a dialog for picking "Shutdown, Restart, Standby" etc. Last version that let you do that was XP. And with their forced updates and "we don't care about you" attitude, there's just no saving them anymore. Even if they might bring out 12 next year and claim that YOU get the control over updates again, how many of us would actually be able to verify that this is the case by digging through the binary of the damn thing? Given how often a megacorp says "A" and does "B", I wouldn't believe it for a second that the claim would be true and just expect some update "backdoor" being hidden that lets them force updates onto you whenever they feel like it.

[@dijoxx]

One thing you need to understand is that the engineers, managers and VPs working at these companies are incentivised to do whatever will get them promoted. Launching a new type of Windows demonstrates "impact" and "leadership" they can claim on their next performance reviews, whereas cleaning up, stabilising and improving existing features is nowhere near as sexy or showcaseable.

[@tanveerhasan2382]

True true

[@dava00007]

Also, the company wants to push everything in the cloud to create a synergy among their products (with their cloud offering in the middle). This is useless for what I do on Windows. As is AI. As is the MS account. As is the constant nagging for me to get Office 365 ans what not. They don't make Windows for us, they make it for them.

[@philipgumm9243]

This is wrong, they need to demonstrate value generally.

[@dijoxx]

@@philipgumm9243 In theory, but not always in practice. The value is not always quantifiable. Some short term value realised within a promo cycle may also be not as valuable or even detrimental over a longer timespan.

[@oleglego3655]

Blame indians in development and in customer support.

[@ServetusTrumpsCalvin]

As an IT Professional, I hate the unnecessary changes that are regularly made to Office products, apparently just for the sake f change. I think a lot of people at Microsoft make changes simply to justify their employment w/o adding any real benefit. In fact, many times it resets the learning curve and user comfort using the applications in a work environment.

[@cj4088]

I 100% agree with this. It’s frustrating sometimes. Have to tell staff to forget what they know and teach them something different is insane. Some already aren’t tech savvy and have a hard time learning tech bigger than a smartphone.

[@melissa7611]

I can't agree more, i still ussing office 2010 without any problem, and after the "copilot" fiasco the legal team of where i was working order change to Linux due a possible leak of data......

[@vannersp]

How about they just fix the bugs. That would be a nice feature.

[@geo58impala]

They should have some integrity! They are affecting the world's majority! Luckily, all I need is Office 97 and use open source office alternatives for the newer PCs.

[@BuckNaked2k]

"...make changes simply to justify their employment w/o adding any real benefit" Sounds like 80% of the workforce.

[@AidanofVT]

I'm in the process of migrating from Windows to Linux, not because of any practical reason, but because I believe that Microsoft's "you don't really own your computer" attitude is reaching a critical point. Windows 11's requirement that users use a Microsoft account, not a local account, is a great example of this, as is their endorsement of Google's plan to require "certified" browsers, and thereby kill the internet. If Microsoft reverses this trend, I'll happily revert to Windows.

[@gotoastal]

Good luck on your Linux journey!

[@msp5138]

I think you have Microsoft confused with Apple... You are welcome for the free education.

[@willi1978]

for a good experience start with an easy distribution

[@jayefe17]

I migrated because of the demolition of the entry level windows pc by microsoft. Linux is way friendlier to my pc and I haven't seen a reason to migrate back in a year.

[@mskiptr]

@@willi1978 Fedora KDE if you're tech savvy, Mint if you want things to get out of your way and Arch or (better yet) Alpine if configuring computers is your hobby.

[@aungthuhein007]

You never even talked about the elephant in the room which is the gaming industry! For a lot of people, it's the only reason they still have a Windows installation at all. And I hope Valve's efforts with the Steam Deck improve gaming on Linux to the point where I don't have to deal with Windows anymore.

[@coastaku1954]

No, fuck Linux!

[@hman2875]

Can valve really fix the nvidia drivers?

[@aungthuhein007]

@@hman2875 indirectly, as more people play games on Linux, everyone will want to improve the experience

[@koool56]

unless anticheat companies are pressured into proting their stuff to Linux, esport scene can't migrate. If not bloody anticheats, I would of stopped using windows 8 years ago, since I use Linux happily for everything but gaming, but for both my day job game engine and playing Counter Strike tournaments I need to have windows...

[@drac124]

Exactly. There is absolutely no way I'm using xbox or ps5. And I can't use Linux because of gaming.

[@diotitus]

I like Windows in terms of compatibility with a lot of programs and a good variety of hardware. However, I think part of the reason why Windows is probably slowly declining is because of the way that Microsoft is just adding a bunch of telemetry, data collection, and half-baked gimmicky features for no apparent reason instead of focusing on the quality of the OS.

[@RyuuTenno]

Don’t forget ads

[@koshnarnarek5910]

They go out of their way to annoy their customers and pretend that they can't go elsewhere. They seem to be stuck in the 1990s by assuming that they still have a monopoly. They will never change...

[@PXAbstraction]

" telemetry, data collection, " Which is funny to me because the same people who complain about this are daily using other OSes (forget social media platforms) that do the same thing. As a life-long Windows user who will never buy a Mac (especially with how anti-repair Apple's become), I agree though that they're focusing on the wrong things. There are core parts of the OS that are still very dated and frustrating (the audio and video subsystems for one) and rather than focusing on that, they're focusing on UI changes no one asked for and pre-installing 17 apps I have to remove every time I setup a new machine.

[@Beryesa.]

Customers don't really care about telemetry, otherwise they wouldn't switch to Apple or chromeos lol

[@jensenraylight8011]

the biggest reason are that they did a lot of brain dead decision, something like releasing windows 11 and treating windows 10 like a third class citizen. they even announce to kill windows 11 and replace it with 12. they did fear mongering and harrassing their biggest userbase which is windows 10 users, which a completely fine and good OS. no wonder they switch, if they didn't feel like upgrading to windows 11, then they just switch to MacOS, they didn't give those Windows 10 users a choice to stick around with their OS what they don't know is that, people stick with the OS no matter what OS is more important than forcing people to upgrade to the latest OS, because they would rather switch OS than Upgrading their existing OS.

[@actuallygoodgamesanalysis2940]

Microsoft: AI will surely save us! Customers: RECALL DOES WHAT!?!?

[@s1nistr433]

AI in windows follows the same pattern mentioned in the video - AI becomes a popular thing - Microsoft changes their OS to add AI features - It flops - (upcoming) Microsoft spends excessive time and resources removing it from their OS

[@Frozoken]

they partly are alr as theyve finally stfu about it and let you uninstall it now​@s1nistr433

[@imx_via]

​@s1nistr433 And then the final step is to add it years later in a form that's not shit Windows 10 got tablet support, It's just no longer so awful and intrusive that it ruins the desktop experience, because they actually made it an option this time lol But even though it's good now, the rushed and forced implementation has already left an awful taste in the mouths of their customers :P

[@blade_sk]

It would also help if Microsoft didn't actively make Windows worse by displaying ads in various places, forcing you to use a MS account, shoving OneDrive and Edge down your throat, SmartScreen and Defender refusing to run stuff, forcing automatic system updates, using your bandwidth to upload the updates to random users, omitting important settings from the new control panel, collecting and selling your data, ruining laptop standby mode (modern standby) and a lot of other things. They even tried to get rid of Windows' main selling point - regular Win32 apps and replace them with UWP apps (another failed attempt). Windows is an increasingly user-hostile OS and I wouldn't be using it, if I wasn't held hostage by games and pro apps like Photoshop, Premiere, Live, etc. I think the AI features will make Windows even more dependent on "the cloud" and I wouldn't be surprised if features like subscriptions and always online requirements were on the horizon. Maybe it's time to switch the OS after 25 years.

[@SylveonMujigaeOfficial]

Games are like the big reason people use Windows. A lot of people who use Adobe Creative Cloud apps and/or DAWs like Ableton Live use macOS. I left out apps like Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro because those are macOS and iPadOS exclusive. I am currently taking a break from macOS because I am waiting to upgrade to perhaps a beefy 16-inch MacBook Pro, so for now I am using Linux for my daily tasks.

[@vinson3725]

i somehow still dont have these problems, and linux is still far too unstable for me to use, i change one settings it doesnt boot the next time i turn it on

[@__cornflake__4252]

Sorry that you had problems with using Linux. Which distro you use with which computer makes a big impact on stability. Maybe you can find a different distro that works better for you and it will be more stable. Remember that GNU and Linux are built by volunteers, not a company, and not every distro is the same, so you can't expect stuff to work the same on Ubuntu vs Debian vs Arch vs Manjaro.

[@gradystephenson3346]

If games natively played in Linux I would have switched years ago

[@blade_sk]

Linux is getting there. Steam Deck works incredibly well, but when I tried Kubuntu and Proton on my laptop, I've run into various issues, most likely due to Nvidia drivers being a mess on Linux.

[@Nanagos]

I think Windows' AI integration will be the next start of a cycle. The truth is, people don't want fancy tools or technology built into their PC, but a system that just works for day to day use. That's the key success factor for any product since the introduction of the PC.

[@bits360wastaken]

"The truth is, people don't want fancy tools or technology built into their PC" Yes. OS-level spyware isnt welcome either. Windows 11 has a keylogger baked in, which is more than enough to scare me off of anything above windows 10 permanently.

[@st.altair4936]

Idk some people in the comments actually seem to want AI garbage for some reason

[@gdutfulkbhh7537]

Bing AI is way off the pace, anyway.

[@johnsuckher3037]

maybe the AI will make their search work and it will be a big win for AI :)

[@jwarendsen]

So far all it has done is try and sell me things I can't even buy in my region, if when I didn't ask for any purchase recommendations at all. For example when asked what vitamins one should take to prevent shortages during the winter months it went straight to trying to sell me supplements. Instead of answering the question...is that really what people want? A new way to be monetized by Microsofts ad-sales machine?

[@lociflow6154]

I remember the first time i got a windows 10 pc, first thing that happened is i accidentally installed Onedrive that straight up hijacked all my files in my documents and stored it through their cloud services, and as i didn't pay for Onedrive i only had a very small cloud storage that became used up within like a day or so, when that happened most games or programs that tried writing data to my documents told me the folder was full, - Onedrive popped up telling me i have to pay to get more storage. Games couldn't find stuff like savefiles and so on... i tried deleting Onedrive, but it literally reinstalled itself, i tried taking out all the files from the cloud storage and changing location of my documents folder - didn't work, Onedrive just changed everything back to how it was before. It was like a damn virus man i had to disable and shut down my microsoft account for it to stop messing with me.

[@Ashh602]

Yep. One drive and the forced upon you nature of it pushed me over the edge. I will not buy another windows laptop pc. They're still the monopoly on games for now though so my desktop remains but I don't do any real work on it anyway

[@mal74]

I knew what one drive was in the beginning and have never used it.

[@lociflow6154]

​@@mal74 you made the right call lol

[@careem3463]

I agree that one drive is annoying, but it's manageable and changes are reversable so it isn't half that bad as you are saying

[@twinkharrylwt226]

⁠@@careem3463i got a surface boom for my work and my ‘documents’ I automatically programmed as onedrive documents.. I have always used windows and changed to mac os a few years ago and I just hate that onedrive takes over your files if it was just a separate option to choose from while saving files it would be nice.. it’s hard to find what settings you have to use to get what you want.. I always love the simplicity of windows while still being able to di what you want, but the simplicity in settings and configuration is kinda gone

[@minibruh]

"this release has not introduced any new computing paradigms but instead has primarily focused on refining the actual core PC experience" so an non functional file explorer is them refining the experience?

[@panan7777]

LEARN and USE Total Commander, like the pros do. Comes from ancient history of DOS, was named Norton commander. There are several different versions. It REALLY help you create the folder tree and keep files ordered, so you can find them. Explorer does the opposite. Using it for 25 years. Not well known in the US.

[@snorttroll4379]

Tell us more. And someone else chime in so we understand why we should care and where we should check it out

[@grimvian]

As a retired reseller installing Windows for 3 decades and billions of reboots, drivers and drivers and drivers and licenses I tried some Linux distros and ended up with Linux Mint. Linux Mint just worked out the box and is very fast to install. Almost no reboots and no fight with with drivers and licenses and so far no need to debloat trackers and telemetry. Most the the shortcuts I have used since the DOS days - I loved DRDOS - just worked and even the updates very seldom requires reboots. Then I did the most dangerous mission - I reinstalled my wife's 10 year old PC with Linux Mint LMDE with an i3 CPU. Copied all her documents. I was surprised that even our network combi printer just worked and the scanner also automatically. My wife just started the PC and used it without hassle and I'm still married!

[@caimano55]

The “I am still married” is gold!

[@johnknight9150]

I have Mint running on my parents' computers and they understand it easily (and still haven't broken it!). Mint is like a Toyota Camry or a good accountant: it's an excellent kind of boring.

[@grimvian]

@@johnknight9150 Well put. Now in Linux Mint I just spend my time on doing work, almost no reboots and and updates are quickly done. I have Windows drivers for 3 decades and suddenly I don't spend a second about installing drivers - a strange, but good feeling. I use the Ubuntu based Linux Mint and my wife is using the Debian based Mint LMDE. She does not update as often as I do and I had a little wrestling with my Brother combi printer. So all in all I think I will go with LMDE in the future. Before, when using Windows, I was not productive for some hours when I decided to reinstall. Linux almost just install it self. :o)

[@Armadurapersonal]

i installed linux in my mother's old laptop, some i3 -8gb laptop from 2015. it worked fine, she uses chrome and libreoffice perfectly. i've begun installing libreoffice to windows laptops in relatives as well, as getting pirated office is harder and harder everyday

[@johnknight9150]

@@ArmadurapersonalWell that's good, it should become harder and harder to get. Piracy is bad for free open source software because it takes cost factor out of the equation.

[@YAOMTC]

Windows losing market share is GOOD. It makes for a more balanced market for operating systems, so developers don't just ignore Mac/Linux forever.

[@dubble]

Developers aren't ignoring Linux at all - as far as Mac goes, that's pretty much Apples choice by forcing development to happen on vastly overpriced hardware, with stupid programming languages that nobody uses, with releases through a terrible App store that you need to pay a license for. Not to mention the different keyboard layout and complete disregard for any type of backwards compatibility. And plenty more, really.

[@camsta_]

@@dubble you don't have to release apps on the app store though?

[@ItsRyanStudios]

As a developer, windows actually gets ignored more than Mac and Linux. I'm not a windows user, but the people I work with are constantly frustrated with the lack of support for windows by cutting edge software

[@Redisia]

There also needs to be a decline in those hardware giants that keep price hiking (certain parts are really hiking prices)

[@msp5138]

Windows is not losing market share. This clown cherry picked fake US data from a very unreliable source. Also, globally Windows has around 77%-80% global market share.

[@xsteven77x]

Those who worked in tech support during Windows 8, specifically those who had to try and teach people how to use it, will have to live with PTSD for the rest of their life.

[@Christobanistan]

The VP responsible for Windows 8 is still working at Microsoft? Those guys have ridiculous power, no clue about the industry, and no accountability.

[@darkwoodmovies]

I called those guys back then asking if there's anyway to "upgrade" to Windows 7. The lady on the phone was not pleased with me.

[@BillAnt]

The best Windows with the least problems were the following XP > 7 > 10 > and probably 12

[@Christobanistan]

@@BillAntXP had a LOT of problems with peripherals that you probably don't remember. Don't you remember every time a drive had to spin up, the entire system hanging? That was an issue with the kernel blocking API calls used by drivers. Lots of stuff with the driver model annoyed people to no end, and weren't fixed until the new driver model of Windows Vista came around. Security was also a severe problem before 8, when many Windows subsystems were rewritten.

[@BillAnt]

​@@Christobanistan Well XP was still better than 95 or me. imo

[@YuasBirds]

Not only this, windows is just unstable now, period. Every time I restart my PC I'm clenching my ass hoping that a sneaky windows forced update doesn't corrupt my drivers and potentially brick components, it's happened more than once.

[@r1_anon]

only use windows 10, probably windows 10 LTSC or LTSB. it wont break itself.

[@nelsonmcnamara]

I'll say they should put more ads in their OS, bake the ads in just like they do in EDGE, just do it more. Put more useful software in, such as candy crush, Netflix and TikTok default with fresh install, and in every upgrade. Get Cortana to speak as loudly as possible at setup time, it is not loud enough, at the moment. Probably further decrease the usefulness of the search. completely disallow local search, and every search is a Bing search. Heck, every mouse click should be a bing browser trigger, and each keystroke should be a Bing search. They should have more updates, say, once every 15 hours, and reboot the moment the update is done. and yes, they should totally disallow Local account, and under no circumstances that a user is allowed to login without internet connection and 4-factor auth. make windows a pure subscription based model, with force updates without skip, this will certain boost Windows market share. yes.

[@corey7219]

You're kidding right?

[@axethepenguin]

@@corey7219🙄 obviously

[@francisquebachmann7375]

​@@corey7219its probably sarcasm.

[@pacem6910]

Oh, and make sure that Windows does not shut down or sleep properly, and heat up in your backpack. Of course untested patches and making sure bootloops.

[@bouchrafakher]

And they should physically force my hand to make edge my default browser since they are not bullying me enough to switch

[@dynamitestyle8678]

I really hope that companies like canonical and valve make the Linux kernel more popular with SteamOS and Ubuntu, hopefully speeding up gaming support for Linux and making it easier to game on Linux which would make it easier to get rid of Windows.

[@qrsx66]

Yes I dislike Apple and Google as much as Microsoft, the only alternatives I like are Linux-based.

[@Gadottinho]

Perfectly said, if I was able to use every program I use in windows on Linux and with the sa,e performance I'd 100% already be using Linux, I really hate windows and microsoft

[@tratam447]

Linux' problem is not the kernel, it's good enough, even more than required for consumers. The problem is everything else including the lack of a couple of really big companies or whatever that could focus a lot of resources on consumer oriented OSes and software for them. Now we have "over 9000" distros and the most important ones are either made by community or focused on servers and enterprise. Open Source stuff is good, but it's not the answer to Mac OS or Windows, that's why we are almost there at those 2-3% for many years. In theory Google could have been the 3rd big company with their own serious OS (hopefully based on Linux), but we have ChromeOS and Android from them that are focused on different environments.

[@RandMV]

​@@GadottinhoProton moment

[@TechTinkerWorks]

@@Gadottinho what are the software that are holding you back?

[@stelardactek]

It'll be interesting to see how much of the AI that is "built into Windows" works when the internet is unplugged.

[@coreC..]

Probably it'll work like Siri.. When people think they are not using their phones, and talk about silly bumperstickers with friends, they "suddenly" get advertisements of bumperstickers in their apps and programs. Your data will get to MS and/or Apple and/or Google (etc) anyway.. right away, or else sometime later it will.

[@stelardactek]

@@coreC.. I'm honestly not expecting it to work at all without internet, but I agree that even if any functionality is client-side, obviously it'll get sent to MS eventually.

[@coreC..]

@@stelardactek Soon some person fires up their Wireshark, installs the Windows AI update, and shows us what extra network-traffic it spawns. And then we know..

[@Brian-jv8iy]

@@coreC.. Siri works offline, at lest the only things it is useful for, those work offline thankfully. Siri does not work like that, I dont ever get any kind of advertisments related to what I talk about. It only works through what you do on your own, and it is a button in the settings on your own. Siri works

[@Brian-jv8iy]

also those adds only appear while using apps from google or facebook, and then only when youre logged into search they obviously appear, nothing on apple@@coreC..

[@entity1337]

Windows: we got a lot of features! Linux: we don't spy on our users.

[@bobpaxe1291]

I think the thing that is killing windows is the decline is customizability that started with windows 8. I have a windows 10 desktop, and a windows 11 laptop, and I frequently find that things on win11 are either much much harder to change or setup how I like to have them, or simply cannot be changed. Even after many many hours of tinkering and googling I've found many features that I use frequently on win 10 simply not present on win 11.

[@jiffonbuffo]

How to make fonts readable on win10 desktop. 1. Settings > Personalization > Themes > High contrast settings. 2. Turn on High Contrast. Set Background to Black. 3. Alt Tab to Desktop. 4. Go back to High contrast and turn it off. 5. Desktop fonts are now White Text with Black borders. 6. Heap curses at MS for not adding an option to just change the font without resorting to this BS. 😂

[@dskygn]

Because of that, I immediately switched back to windows 10, what a mess.

[@rubyvi5442]

@@dskygn Same. I think I will skip windows 11 completely and will probably switch to a unix os as the modern games on windows aren't even interesting anymore, most game studios are even owned by microsoft. Go figure

[@Slavolko]

@@rubyvi5442 Besides games, I do use other applications for photo and video editing, so I would want those as well. Davinci Resolve made the jump, but Adobe certainly doesn't care.

[@vel0_rouge]

I can no longer put the windows start bar on the left. I'll never forgive them for this.

[@seraphiszurvan]

Already made massive moves towards becoming Linux full time, and I will never look back once it's done. The only thing stopping me right now is games with anti-cheat, and that's beginning to fade too. Valve is doing an amazing job.

[@coastaku1954]

Nothing works on Linux, everything is open so people can hack your shit. If people know how something works, they'll know vulnerabilities and know how to crack it open. Windows for Life

[@Marty_YouTuber]

@dreaper5813damn i love your atitude. i am a Linux user and Love playing Linux games on pop us,

[@Marty_YouTuber]

@dreaper5813 i use Pop os, and I play Vrchat. But i assume at some point you were playing games on Microsoft Windows? what got you into playing games on Linux instead of Windows?

[@Marty_YouTuber]

@dreaper5813 You did say this, That also includes certain apps made by certain software corporations. If they don't work on Linux, they aren't worth running to begin with. Question: what happens if you work at a job And you need to Use CAD software Like Autodesk or Fusion360 or CATIA, You can't use those programs on linux. But you wouldn't even consider using a Windows 10 Virtual machine to run software for Work? I support your Stance Towards Gaming And I am shamed That i want to play Roblox on Windows Rather then my Smartphone But Certain Software that i want to use for Aerospace and work Requires Microsoft Windows. So If you worked at a Job that required Windows Only Software what would you do? I can always play PS5 Games and Steam Deck and oculus quest Headset if i want gaming without windows. But for work Spefic software is better for Microsoft Windows

[@RickRobinsonDonnellan]

Absolutely. What Valve are doing is great for the future demise of Windows. Steam Deck is a massive wake up for developers to take Linux gaming seriously. I go to work however and it is all Windows 11, connecting to Microsoft Azure which is all Linux based in the back-end :facepalm:

[@kaitlyn9262]

I currently don't think that the people running away from windows will be convinced by ai to come back

[@the1necromancer]

I ran and AI is more of a reason to stay away imo.

[@MorganSullivan]

AI only made me run faster...

[@ThexXxXxOLOxXxXx]

Yeah privacy concerns overload, ai checking everything i do even not on the web and communicating it with Microsoft is the last of it

[@kuroenekodemon]

AI made me sprint to the door on the way out. No thanks I'm good

[@douglaidlaw740]

AI is not restricted to Windows. It is a feature of the iPhone and Samsung Android in 2024.

[@josephdegarmo]

I used to be a Windows 10 user. Now I'm using Debian 12 (KDE Plasma desktop) and Kubuntu on my computers and have since never looked back.

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

good job now that you are adapting to linux you will stick with it instead of going back to windows which will continue to get worse and worse with time while linux does get better over time even if progress is slow slow improvements beat slowly getting worse for an os

[@acajoom]

Same for both OSs you mentioned for decades. Debian on servers, Kubuntu on workstations.

[@acajoom]

@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue I would not agree that progress on Linux is slow, the opposite and we constantly have to adapt, tech on Linux is pulling us to the future super fast. Unless you mean it like,. ..want to see Linux beat the statistics.

[@gk98s]

honestly microsoft not having a monopoly is good. But I would prefer anyone having it over apple having it. I hope linux desktop gains more popularity rather than macos

[@nylotical]

iPads pretty much have a monopoly. Whenever Apple has a good device like the iPad, they do a lot to keep it ahead instead of getting lazy. It’d be a good thing although I like Linux.

[@TalesOfWar]

Linux on the desktop is never going to be mainstream. It's biggest strength is also its biggest weakness in this regard. There won't ever be a single distro of it that takes over, because the point of it is that you customise it to how you need it, which makes it more work for developers to support it. This is why it's so great at the behind the scenes stuff that runs everything, but less so for your every day computer user. It needs big backing and a primary distro for it to really win here.

[@circuitdotlt]

I am constantly reevaluating my addiction to some windows programs, especially now that web based office is not too bad. I'd switch to linux, however it is still too easy to break and not as user friendly. Like 20 years ago, I'm still having ridiculous problems with linux, that then require a lot of googling and competence to solve. For example: plug in mouse, move it forward, cursor goes left. Linux is great when it works and I do use it for servers etc, but on desktop it's still pain. Sadly, as I do hate all the closed source, cloud-based nonsense.

[@TalesOfWar]

@@dreaper5813 So your solution to a platform not being beholden to a single distro is to basically target a single distro? As I said in another comment, this is both the strongest and weakest aspect of Linux. This is also why Windows is the dominent platform outside of the consoles. It's a single target to aim for. You're asking for more centralisation and less really when you think about it.

[@spicychad55]

Linux companies like Oracle, Canonical, etc they to get their shit together or merge together to fight Microsoft.

[@Imperial_Squid]

Win 8 definitely feels like the original sin here, I know some people like myself are always resistant to new OSs but Win 7 was and still is my favourite version I've seen so far, all the newer ones don't feel like they've added much

[@heyhoe168]

Unfortunately MS waged a war on old systems.

[@VijayaGopala]

ReactOS runs circles around Windows, it is so much cleaner, faster and resource-efficient.

[@michaelwalsh3474]

Agreed. The smart move on Apple's part was releasing the dev kit the day the iPad was announced and giving partners time to learn about it. The second thing is making it a separate OS because it is a separate product. Trying an all in one solution wasn't going to work and someone at Apple was smart enough to see it. Sorry for my long windedness.

[@kirigayamitsuru]

I'm still using win7 idk when i will upgrade it. Last time games im interrested to it isnt working on win7 anymore and im not sure i should upgrade to newest windows OS or linux.

[@spod2998]

seriously. Most of the people I know are just biased towards windows 7 because they grew up on it, but I feel like it was genuinely the best OS in terms of UI, especially with Media Center.

[@axelprino]

I'm actually considering switching back to Linux after years of not using it, with Proton getting better every year that pretty much takes care of my main concern which was being able to run my library of games on Steam. I already mostly use open or libre software for most things and those have always been available for Linux.

[@bevanfindlay]

Yes, this. My question on response to the video's title was, "Why should we save Windows?" I've just made the switch to Linux and while there have been a couple of minor hiccups, the overall experience is far better than on Windows. Some games even run better on Linux than Windows (notably Minecraft, which is hilarious when you consider who owns it...) I tried using Linux as my main OS a bit over a decade and a half ago but switched back mainly because of games. That, and most other reasons to stay on Windows, are no longer an issue. There's a bunch of usability stuff that's just better on Linux. It made me realise how much Microsoft haven't been designing to be good but to corral users into doing things the Microsoft way, some of which is actively hostile (like trying to switch browsers). I've find Linux refreshingly free of MS's BS. Grab a live installer and give it a try sometime. That's a pretty low-commitment way to give things a try, and you can shop around to find the distro and desktop that suits you.

[@coastaku1954]

@@bevanfindlay Linux sucks and isn't user friendly

[@kanrakucheese]

Do it. Older (especially pre-DX9) games will actually run *better*. Only thing you miss is things with malware/anti-cheat (and even some of that works now).

[@rigierish3807]

​​@@coastaku1954In what way Windows is more user friendly, if we exclude the "everybody use Windows since they're 4 yo, so nobody needs to learn it, unlike Linux" argument?

[@CuivTheLazyGeek]

I hope you have an AMD GPU! I'm waiting for Linux to properly support my VR games...

[@Haooryu]

Step 1: AI becomes a Threat Step 2: Add AI all over windows Step 3: ...

[@davidheiblum171]

My prediction: Step 3: AI fails as most people uses regular ChatGPT and other generative AI besides the Microsoft branded one. Step 4: Microsoft ripped their branded AI out of Windows and leaves Windows users with the choice to embrace other AI technologies

[@Haooryu]

@@davidheiblum171 precisely that brother

[@drac124]

Windows 11 is like Skype. Users are on official forums begging Microsoft to not remove previous options while the company do the exact opposite out of spite, killing the software in the long run.

[@lokelaufeyson9931]

they killed skype proper and real.. They were unable to offer the same quality of service with their own software so they bought out skype (if you cant beat it, kill it) and copied every line of code from it and used in their own worse solution.. until skype was a empty egg shell.. At that point they added it to windows 10 as a "default voip and video call app".. (app? its a pc and its called a program but back to the subject) but it was in general a empty shell that they used as a advertise platform..

[@slickrcbd9543]

Microsoft has owned Skype for the last 15 years. Big surprise they ruined it too.

[@rammani7170]

EXACTLY! They keep pushing updates after updates and all it seems to do is make things worse. I dont need the damn copilot, just please dont break the MS Teams, Im running into new varieties of problems every day with the apps I use regularly.

[@justliberty4072]

Other things to keep people from moving away from Windows: stop spying, make it easier to turn 'features' off, stop requiring a MS account.

[@InventorZahran]

There is a way to bypass the Microsoft Account requirement, but it's needlessly opaque and complicated. I doubt that very many users have the knowledge or patience to even try it...

[@nicdemai]

@@InventorZahranfor every update microsoft tends to restore previous “features” that you previously turned off. They have extremely scammy practices when it comes to spying on you.

[@patricko9479]

TBH: thats just something enthusiast care about. I've never seen someone outside our bubble even know about it and after being lectured by me, they simply don't care.

[@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket]

They don't require a M$ account but it sure is difficult to figure that out as an end User and I believe Windows 11 now requires an internet connection to setup.

[@gwine9087]

Can you use Apple products without an Apple id?

[@dharkbizkit]

the thing is: i dont feel as comfortable with windows as i used to . its not just because i got older and became more sensetive towards certain topics, but more that MS changed so much in terms of privacy and policies. on windows 95,98,ME,2000 and XP i never dropped a thought about MS gathering my data of usage. windows 7 was the first time i heard rumors about it and since windows 10, it feels to me that MS wants to control, what we use on the pc and be a police of some sorts. it feels like if MS could have it their way, then they want to able to block the installation of software like torrents, or survey what you do with torrents in order to report it, if you do something with it that isnt allowed. its not about crimes, its not about allowing illegal stuff, its about the policy of snooping around to see IF someone uses it the wrong way. but iam so used to windows that changing to linux or something else feels hard and i dont wanna run into situation, where software X doenst run and i need to use alternatives or have to live with the fact, that game X doesnt run at all

[@dp055]

Win 7 had tracking ? Really ?

[@DefaultFlame]

Thanks to Win 8, 8.1, 10, and 11 I've started on softly working my way into switching to Linux by installing Debian on my old gaming laptop, and it is hard. In Win XP and Win 7 shit just worked. In Linux you have to get very comfortable with the terminal and reading a ton of wiki manuals and guides, and watching youtube videos about how to do things. It feels like being back in the 90s and trying to get games, hardware, and drivers to work together, but you have to do it through the equivalent of a DOS prompt. I'm still working on making the move despite how hard it is because Microsoft and Windows is trash now, and I don't see it getting better unless they scrap everything and start over with making a proper successor to Win 7.

[@zoltrix7779]

@JimAllen-Persona Windows 11 "just works", this isn't the old days.

[@diegoaugusto1561]

sorry but it's not that hard a transition honestly. you're just afraid to try without, well, trying at the end of the day, you can always just go back to windows if you want

[@Bertie_Ahern]

Even late 90's versions of Microsoft Office would track every website you'd visit while editing a document, so I don't think MS has ever taken user privacy seriously.

[@Nostalgia_Realm]

I run a small business that help older folks getting around with their computer/phones etc. I will soon start to convert the first PC to Linux Mint after changing some defaults (Thunderbird donation pop-up disable, auto updates enabled, uBlock origin installed, etc.) and then making an image of the disk for easy deployment. Hoping all goes well 😊

[@grey5528]

has this happened already? I'd be curious to see how well it works for them.

[@Nostalgia_Realm]

@@grey5528 The first one has been deployed for 2-2.5 weeks now. Hadn't had a call yet. This user only needed email and light web browsing, so it was a perfect candidate!

[@omnikun575]

That's so nice! Linux Mint is so easy to use too. Thanks for bringing more people to Linux

[@notgiven3114]

I'd like to have older folks be shielded from the life-deflation of computers.

[@loganjoy-koer5936]

Windows 11 isn't all as good as you say, as they removed a bunch of things that were super useful, and didn't even do it well, for example, the display-on-top Volume Mixer applet was 10x better than the equivalent in the Settings App, and I feel the same about the removal of the "Devices and Printers" menu in the Control Panel

[@davidlp3019]

Actually devices and printers is still in windows 11, but you have to access it through the settings app which is kind of annoying. I believe there is a registry tweak you can use to change it though.

[@TexasCat99]

Two things to fix Windows 11 (and even some 10 issues) - #1 is Chris Titus Tech's Toolbox. It'll rip out all that telemetry and has easier access to some older style settings. I paid $12 for an add-on (CHM Tech) which for 3 PCs, fixes the Win11 Tasks bar and other UI elements options. I am running a Win 11/Win Hybrid config. The windows with round corners and functions, but the Start Menu and Taskbar is Win7. When it comes to multi-monitor support, Win11 is better at it than Win10 and Win7. On my 2nd display, the only items that shows up on its task bar are 2nd display tasks. Main monitor has all of them, it works. I can make my Start Menu function like Win98. But I prefer WIn 7. There is also Power Toy.

[@leopoldo3884]

windows 11 strongly gives the impression of windows 10 with a skin installed

[@TexasCat99]

@@leopoldo3884 a bit more than skin. It's more unified. But when those 11 is closer to Windows 10. Then Windows 10 is closer to Windows 8 or 7.

[@felixjohnson3874]

Oh god don't remind me. Windows audio is just a fucking nightmare. Seriously it is just insane how shit windows actually is in so many places. Being able to drag a few wires and route different audio to different outputs is just something I couldn't even dream of on windows, and yet with pipewire its just a standard feature

[@hopelessdecoy]

I really want to see more Linux out there, it has become a real competitor in the space it just has no giant marketing corporations behind it. If most people tried modern Linux Mint, they would probably consider just switching, especially after learning how no one is invading their privacy and it just works!

[@mikkelens]

the truth is that they don't just *not* have a powerful enough corporation to market it aggressively, Linux distros are also inherently community projects, even if sponsored by individuals or organizations, which has serious implications about its target users and platforms. Something like Linux Mint may work great in a certain solved capacity, but if anything breaks, because computers do, not just on windows, there is not a support line to call. It will never be preinstalled on mainstream computers unless some mega-corp finds a way to fork/use it for other means, like a chromium/android situation. I'm definitely going to be using Linux more myself (currently experimenting with WSL, learning computer science/engineering etc.), but I am not the standard user Microsoft or Apple is interested in capturing.

[@toxicturkeyy]

When system76 gets the cosmic de out i'm switching. Whenever that is.

[@anfrex3342]

The only sin of linux is that it doesn't have much support for video games or popular applications/programs. For this reason many community projects were created years ago precisely to have alternatives, but the lack of money slows things down and the lack of users has an impact. The right thing to do would be to educate younger generations to learn with linux, this leads to more developers creating content for linux and that makes it more competitive in the long run against the corporate OS.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

linux is the opposite of "it just works", so is windows and android, that's undeniable

[@dubble]

Linux distros have a serious problem with creating shared binaries that run on every Linux OS, so I wouldn't hold my breath. For wherever Windows goes wrong, it's the only platform that enables wide compatibility across devices and backwards and forward compatibility. Outside of few changes over the last years, nearly any 32 bit application built for Windows XP still works these days. Any application built these days will probably still work in 20 years. And all that with battletested tooling to consistently target the same libraries or create entirely static binaries. Apple's apparent aim to kill backwards and forward compatibility just about every year makes it a terrible OS to target (amongst the requirement to use their hardware, crappy programming language and pay licensing fees) and Linux has a very big problem with consistent tooling. There's half a dozen libc implementations with the most prominent one largely crippling static compilation, so when you do see applications directly distributed for linux you typically see a dozen different versions out of which you have to pick the correct one. As far as open source goes, there's a ridiculous community effort of recompiling and packaging up everything for specific package managers or repos.

[@Super123456789Kuba]

It's just insane to me that Windows 7 still stays as one of the purest Windows' Versions, Meawhile Windows 8 wanted to be more of a Windows Phone for PCs and then Windows 10 and 11 and their bloat and just lack of stability, harmony and just peace of my mind that Windows 7 had and even has to this day! It's like they want me to make switch to different platforms on PURPOSE!

[@RickSanchez-ig3lp]

Windows 10 is quickly becoming the new Windows 7 at this point. It's starting to hit that sweet spot.

[@jimbotron70]

@@RickSanchez-ig3lp Quickly? after, like 5? 6 years? 🐌

[@jamesaron1967]

@@RickSanchez-ig3lp In what way?

[@jamesaron1967]

Yeah, it's no coincidence that MS peaked when Win 7 was its newest OS. Windows users were very disappointed with Win 8. So much in fact that MS skipped 9 and went straight to 10 to separate itself from that debacle. When Windows users still kept their distance from 10 for countless reasons, MS tried everything to entice or compel its clients to migrate.

[@davehenderson6896]

If 30 years ago we knew windows would be like this, no one would have bought into it.

[@user85937]

I moved to Linux because of all the bloatware on Windows, Linux can do everything I need. Microsoft really shot themselves in the feet.

[@emp116]

We don't care. Linux is not a viable option for the majority of people. People who say this are usually gamers or guys who have no obligations from their company to use ms products or actual serious software.

[@coryhammer9566]

Gamers don't use Linux because most AAA titles are not supported there. If you use Google Docs or Sheets and Gmail instead of Office and Outlook, you are good to go since it all runs in a browser anyway and works in Linux too.

[@kjullthedemon]

@@emp116 I use Windows on my laptop, cause my school requires it. But I run Linux on my personal desktop. And why did you reply with such hostility, he didn't say he wanted others to move, or that Linux is the best thing ever. He just said he got so tired of Windows, he opted for Linux instead, and that somehow offended you, and I will never understand why. Linux being big, will only improve Windows, it will force them to actually improve their own product. No matter if you're a Linux user or not, Linux is your friend.

[@liblevi45s53]

Yes, if you don't have to rely on production software such as Adobe products, or Microsoft Office, it can work. That goes even for gaming. The experience is definitely no where near as smooth though if you're someone inexperienced. Gaming has become much better in recent times but there are still some major problems with anti-cheat and GPU driver features. Switching to Linux does offer much more freedom to the end-user in terms of control over their system, but with that comes more responsibility. In the end though, the mass majority don't care nor do they even know what an operating system is. I've used it on and off for well over a decade. It has it's strength and weaknesses, as does Windows and Apple OSX. It just depends on what you need to compromise on.

[@komv123]

I wish I could fully switch as well. But the games, CAD and media creation softwares hold me back. But I am dual-booting them, so for other productivity and programming I am free to go.

[@646464mario]

Other than when I feel like PC gaming, I have moved onto Linux completely. The desktop experience on Linux vs. Windows these days is just more pure feeling. It's a no-bullshit desktop OS and that is what people want.

[@Blackadder75]

Correction: that is what 3% of the people want. Seems like many more people want: look at me, I have a fruit logo on my laptop, I am sexy!

[@IGabeLincoln]

Hell, Linux now even works well with gaming thanks to Proton.

[@646464mario]

Everyone wants it, it's just that the vast majority of people do not know alternatives or cannot be bothered to learn something new... but rest assured everyone wants a no-BS experience.@@Blackadder75

[@ran_red]

@@Blackadder75 a number MUCH higher than 3% would love Linux, the problem is that only 3% are willing to learn how to install it and use it.

[@fnorgen]

@@IGabeLincoln It works, but it doesn't "work well". While gaming on Linux there's been a number of times I've had to hunt down obscure Proton versions, tailor made to get specific games running, and even then, many games will have online features disabled because the anti cheat software freaks out. Oh sure, there's usually some workaround that theoretically makes it possible to get everything running perfectly, but digging through forum threads for hours and end and trying 5 different supposed fixes before you finally get online multiplayer working, with a slight risk of getting banned for cheating, is not what I would classify as "working well".

[@dolphhandcreme]

I've just switched to Linux after 30 years of windows. The do-all-in-the-cloud-on-our-servers-thing is getting out of hands. I just want a slick operation system that is doing what I want it to do. It's crazy how good moat applications (including windows ones!) Are running on a modern Linux! Tried it years ago, but wasn't happy. First time I think I'll keep this!

[@aartjansen1252]

The do it all in the cloud via a browser trend, is part of what makes dumping windows easy.

[@hermanwooster8944]

@@aartjansen1252 Yup. They fell on the very sword they crafted. Poetic justice at its finest.

[@Duke49th]

Same here. Many attempts with Linux in the past 15 years. Just recently switched as this year it became so good, that even Gaming (aside from some multiplayer games) and windows-only apps do work fine now. I'm happy now after a steep learning curve. The Devs of certain Linux distros still have to do more to cater Windows user to have an even easier experience switching from Windows to Linux. (=all the non-techie people that are not willing to play around with terminal and such) If more people switch and Linux gets a proper market share - we will see more native Linux apps.

[@lokelaufeyson9931]

linux have evolved into a better and stronger operating system. Without adding bloat or other junk.

[@fabriglas]

Which linux is good...

[@BryanAnguiano]

My windows computer only exists to play video games. For work I use an iPad due to the seamless experience, its mobile, performance is great, and most importantly, it just works as I want it to. No unnecessary apps or “features” that can’t be deleted or get on the way. If there was another OS that can simply run video games with no bloatware, AI, or tracking, I’d switch immediately but unfortunately there are still no solid OS that I know of

[@Craig1967]

Its all the pop-ups and Microsoft "IN YOUR FACE" full screen attempts to try to get you to switch to a Windows Account, rather than a local account that really grind my gears.

[@Longlius]

I treat my Windows machine as a glorified game console. All my real work is done on my macbook either in MacOS or in Linux.

[@st.altair4936]

Even that use case seems to be disappearing now thanks to SteamOS lol

[@Longlius]

​@user-ty5nq7sp3d I can't play Rust or DayZ on Linux because the anticheat doesn't work. Also I've been using Linux since 2002.

[@rotte5537]

​@user-ty5nq7sp3dTrash mindset, you won't be seeing any regular PC users on linux with that mindset, software compatibility is the single most important thing for the majority of people

[@DrSloww]

@user-ty5nq7sp3d Not all, but most, and most is good enough for me. If the game doesn't run on Linux, I just don't buy it. No game is good enough for me to use Windows to play it. Except maybe GTA 6, We'll see.

[@koool56]

@user-ty5nq7sp3d Wrong, Valorant / Any CS2 third party platform for tournaments, Fortnite, basically any esport titles with anticheats

[@666dreamboat]

Us: "just stop putting spy ware that rinses performance in our OS and we will stay, we will even pay lots of money" MS: "MORE TELEMETRY YOU SAY?!"

[@clray123]

Don't forget the mandatory M$ account, their great desire to control what software you are allowed to run on your own computer/device, and their helpfulness in "filtering" your cloud-stored files for "inappropriate" content (including automatic reports to Thought Police in the near future).

[@Chriserino]

there is actually more at play here than just silly spy ware. It has more to do with their bit lock encryption than "spyware" . It doesnt take much effort to turn off these things in windows.

[@Chriserino]

@@clray123 not mandatory. account or otherwise. cloud storage has no connection with what software you can run on your computer. Sheep vomiting trash contributing nothing.

[@IrrationalDelusion]

@@clray123 Do you really think they need you to create account to log every single action across all their services and OS?

[@clray123]

@@IrrationalDelusion They don't need it to log, but they need it to associate your actions with your identity. Their vision is that you will have to swipe your id card or better yet biometric data through some scanner in the near future in order to log in to your, and by "your" I mean Microsoft's, computer, and by "computer" I mean cloud. They will cram it down your throat by telling you how you no longer need to remember any passwords. Just behave like Microsoft & friends tell you to or they will cut you off, that's already included in the fine print. (It also applies similarly to other "as a service" crap, but Microsoft is Excel-ling at it.)

[@panggi]

My OS Journey: - Back in school and college, it was all about Windows for me, with a bit of GNU/Linux on the side just for fun. - When I started my career, I mixed things up with both Windows and GNU/Linux running on my computer. - Since 2012, as a software engineer, I've mainly been using macOS and GNU/Linux for work and my own projects. - My desktop PC has an Intel x86 chip and an RTX3090, running GNU/Linux for machine learning stuff and playing around with compilers. I'm also dabbling in robotics, using ARM and RISC-V based mini-computers with GNU/Linux. - For daily tasks, I use a MacBook with Apple Silicon (I have 3 in total since Intel time). - I haven't used Windows regularly in more than ten years, and everything's been great.

[@omnikun575]

Nice! Do you think Macbook is still good for software engineering students even till now? Is working with codes in MacOS as good as working in Linux? I'm thinking of upgrading to the M4 Macbook pro later this year but I really have limited experience with it since I'm mainly using Manjaro Linux for all my programming work but my old Thinkpad maybe could use some upgrade

[@jannieschluter9670]

This is the fate of any mega company that treats people badly. Also remember that Microsoft gained its power and influence through crimes and not because they gained the customers favor.

[@dr_ned_flanders]

You don't think that Apple treats its customers well do you? Their customers are just cash cows to them and they milk them for everything they have got.

[@basilcat3111]

Disney is a realistic example. Look at their woke Snow White remake and their Terrifying Lilo and Scratch Remake that they fortunately cancelled.

[@haraldbackfisch1981]

This! Microsoft was scummy from the start

[@DJDiskmachine]

@@basilcat3111 Almost thought you were gonna point out what a terrible terrible person Walt was 🤣

[@doctahjonez]

Literally this, wouldn't shed a tear if they just went out of business tomorrow.

[@wizardtuga]

To be completly honest, I have a 10 year PC which has a decent CPU for everyday tasks (not gaming or video editing) and windows 11 not supporting even newer CPUs is another shot in the foot too. If the PC doesn't die I will switch to Linux in 2025 on that PC at least

[@Nordjyden9000]

Why wait? I use SUSE and the KDE desktop - yes you can even chose what desktop to use - which is easiest for people used to the classic windows desktop. Everything is there: A very good office package capable at reading whatever you throw at it, video viewing, downloading and editing, an image programme comparable to Photoshop, and a wide variety of scientific stuff, as most Linux are developed at universities.

[@JeffRyman69]

I have a 9-year old HP ENVY PC with an i7-4770 that still works perfectly fine with Windows 10 after I replaced the HDD with a SSD. I may install Linux on it. I have been using Linux off and on since I was dual booting Red Hat with MS-DOS 6.22/Windows 3.11 back in the late 1990s, as well as being a Linux sysadmin on a set of HP blade servers running RHEL in the 2000s. I also have a new PC I built myself with an i9-10850K, two NVMe SSDs, 64 GB RAM, etc. that will run whatever Windows is out there for another 8 years or so. If I need Linux on that system I can run it under WSL 2.0. But I am comfortable with a variety of computer tech as I am a retired engineer who started programming in 1966. A lot of others who are comfortable with computer technology may run Linux too, but the average Windows user is not going to switch. They may migrate to a smart phone or to a Chromebook if all they need is simple web browsing (and purchasing) and texting or email.

[@PeteDunes]

Linux...lol.... have fun!

[@baraka629]

​@@PeteDunes save for a couple games that require anticheat software which is windows-only, linux does everything better. the NT kernel is just shitty and whoever thought to cram all system stability relevant info into a single file - the registry - must have been off their meds for a long time.

[@paulp1204]

You forgot AI and the Bing nightmare, oh and cortana, and watson........ And the annoyance on One Drive restructuring a 20 year standard folder convention. I mean it outright breaks stuff for developers.

[@FoxBonly]

One Drive literally drives me to the brink of insanity

[@johnchristian7788]

@@FoxBonly What happened with Onedrive?

[@whalen4400]

@@johnchristian7788for me at least, when I sign in on my Microsoft account. One drive just wants to back up everything in my computer in which I don’t want. It’s intrusively bad and a pain to get it to stop doing that. I like one drive but not when it obsessively try’s to back up every single file on my computer in which I don’t want it too.

[@jimmyscringlo]

@@johnchristian7788 m$sft team up with five eye and put one drive on everyone pc now evybody crazy

[@sugarvenom2189]

Let me humbly introduce Windows Ghost Spectre.

[@Robbie-mw5uu]

The saddest part of this video is according to Steam survey March 2024, Windows still is the operating system of choice for 96% of Steam users. Linux and MacOS are a such a significant minority that it still does not make sense for software developers to care about them.

[@Robbie-mw5uu]

Market share represents nothing to the common personal computer user because Linux is used by business machines like cash registers and ATMs. Not powerful workstations, who all use Windows and to a lesser extent MacOS.

[@Warp2090]

Only about 5% of ppl in the world use mac

[@JefffMocha]

Steam isn't a great way to gauge OS usage. Many games don't support MacOS on Steam, and even fewer support Linux.

[@fragalot]

one thing to keep in mind here. You seem to be talking about sales figures, and not current active users. Windows PCs can last over a decade. People aren't buying new windows machines every 3-6 years when what they have is perfectly fine, plus a lot of people just fo simple upgrades with their existing PCs making them last even longer, and people can Linux on any old hardware since it's a free OS. Apple doesn't do that and they literally orphan their users in about 8 years forcing them to buy new hardware. This is because Apple hardware have no upgrade paths, since everything is integrated with no user serviceable parts, so most people buying Macs are replacing their old Macs.

[@DocNo27]

I haven't upgraded a windows box in over 20 years - it's no more practical than to upgrade a Mac. Especially with Intel - every generation or at best every other generation they release a new socket. And memory standards. Thankfully PCI express slots are backwards compatible so you could preserve some value with video cards, but if you care enough about that sort of thing your going to be upgrading every four years at most anyway. It may be nice to have the option to upgrade, but really it's not that slam dunk advantage people seem to think it is. Also I find my Macs routinely last three to four times as long as my Windows boxes - more than evens out the cost differential. All while performing overall a heck of a lot more smoothly and reliably. Although Apple seems to be figuring out how to screw that up with each successive macOS release too. A pox on all their houses :p

[@dantaeusb]

​@@DocNo27I can't express how much I love your comment, though I have harsher words for Apple recent releases, in general it's nice that someone has had the same vibes lately.

[@galaxspace1]

almost nobody besides gamers upgrade their PC. Not to mention the vast majority of computers are sold in mass numbers to companies, educational and government institutions who wont bother ever uprading anything because its literally more work then using their negotiating power to get new computers

[@rswow]

I gave up using two new $3k Windows laptops last year (A Dell and a Lenovo), and now use a decent new $600 Chromebook for most of my work. The Chromebook with only 8GB of RAM does things as fast, even with hundreds of tabs open, than the 64GB Windows laptops, and does so silently! It has awesome memory management, although a 16GB model would allow me to expand my workflow with more apps open since 8GB is pushing it. The Windows machines are now collecting dust. My sole reason, besides the fan noise, is their convoluted non-working 'power-management" features that won't let you control the monitor off/on and sleep on/off states to your needs. I tried for two years, I even, multiple times, posted on forums and gave Microsoft feedback, to no avail. I've had to give up monitoring my security cams, but I needed a live view yesterday: so i turned on the Windows 11 laptop..and the monitor keeps shutting off after a minute, even though I set it to turn off after a few hours in power management ! And when you want the machine to sleep, it stays on. (e.g. I thought, since I can't monitor the cams due to monitor shutting off, at least let me put the puter to sleep so I can work on the Chromebook in quiet...so I clicked the "sleep" option...I even closed the lid...and it wouldn't sleep! Had to unplug it and then it slept, though at times even that doesn't work). Etc.. Shame on you Microsoft.

[@ivanschekoldin7315]

@@galaxspace1I don’t know a single person who doesn’t upgrade their PC

[@WIImotionmasher]

Wait wait wait.... Windows lost market share while PC sales lost market size. So, the people who are no longer buying expensive PCs are the people who couldn't afford Apple products back in the day, and opted for a Windows device. Apple didn't gain users over Windows, they just didn't lose users because their users are rich and can still afford a laptop/desktop. As much as I am an advocate for alternatives like Linux, this seems like less of a Windows issue and more of a consumer buying-power issue. The only people who can afford a computer are the elite, Apple people who make six figures. Or students with rich parents. Although Windows investing in ARM computers will certainly drop the cost of the cheapest Windows laptops so that'll help. The issue is cheap laptops have been very bad for a decade and people learned not to even try them.

[@TechieZeddie]

Most non-technical people I know who can afford it use Macs. Those who can't use iPads. The few who uses Windows are gamers (how the term Wintendos was spawned), Windows admins, and tinkerers. Even in the tinkerer space, most of them are dual booting because they (including me...I fall in the gaming/tinkerer space) want to learn Linux and either branch out or get rid of Windows completely. I can't because I am a Windows admin and I play games with anti cheat (none of the COD games work in Linux), but I use Linux now for fun and learning and basic computing, and even gaming that works such as some single player games. A couple of them bought into Linux because they owned Steam Decks. (FYI, I'm only speaking about people I know. So I don't expect the numbers to extrapolate since I know more tech people than most I'm sure). But yeah I can see Windows and traditional PCs reducing. Most people need computers to do daily life things, and a tablet is all they need. And Apple is the only tablet people will think of because Android doesn't have much presence in the space. And iPads have come down in price, so when comparing inexpensive Android tablets found in Walmart vs the cheapest iPad, most I know would just save up for that iPad. Also, even though I use Windows for work and gaming, Linux for learning/tinkering, I actually don't find myself using traditional PCs much either. Most of my time is spent on my Shield TV (watching TV) or my Samsung Galaxy Tab S8+ tablet (videos in rooms other than my living room - take that how you want, lol). What do household stuff need with a PC these days? I get my emails, surf the web, shop using apps, order food via apps... all on a tablet or phone. I'm rarely in front of a PC unless it's for work, and I haven't really played many games since nothing is interesting me since OW went to hell. On the occasion I really need to do research for something (product comparisons and reading tons of reviews and take notes), I do sit in front of my gaming PC (dual booted into Linux) and have multiple tabs open with a text editor to take notes. That's the only time I ever find myself needing a PC.

[@Mister0Eel]

Apple has actually gained in absolute numbers as well as relative percentages, but I do think your point still stands.

[@senmafugu]

@@TechieZeddie same with me. the only thing preventing me from becoming a complete linux user is the games I love to play.

[@jojodroid31]

Really though? You can get a decent Windows laptop for 500€. That's definitely affordable. Look at how many people have new phones.

[@AlphaGarg]

@@jojodroid31500 euros is a lot of money in most of the world.

[@The-Rest-of-Us]

I couldn't be more thrilled that the Windows monopoly is finally breaking. I grew up in the late 90s/00s when Windows was literally all you could get. Apple was sitting at ~1% share recovering from their near death experience as Steve Jobs came back and turned the tide. And there were no other devices yet such as tablets or smartphones. Microsoft and Bill Gates were sitting in court in one of the biggest anti-trust cases in US history as Microsoft kept crushing any potential challenger to their OS supremacy, such as Netscape. The fact that we have lived through that and there is now a healthy variety of OSes and device types to chose from is like a modern day fairy tale to me.

[@coastaku1954]

I love Windows, I don't want any other OS

[@danil-old-web]

Windows 98, ME, 2000, XP forever! Windows! Windows! No Internet! No smartphones left as be alone! Computers!

[@AZmotion]

Sure, but then it's just a duopoly. Look at what's happened to the mobile OS market.

[@tonetraveler992]

​@@coastaku1954me too but competition is absolutely a good thing. Windows will genuinely benefit from Linux (and others) thriving.

[@coastaku1954]

@@tonetraveler992 Nah

[@12q8]

Windows is the legacy OS we only have to keep around because everything built decades ago only works on it, and we're stuck with it.

[@carminator12]

I've left Windows to Linux for years now and AI features is for me just another reason to stay away. Can't wait to see the Linux ceiling break apart (will not happens lol). 🐧

[@MarkusHobelsberger]

The year of the Linux desktop is nigh :D

[@the_mariocrafter]

At least Microsoft is actually winning at AI this time

[@Andrewskji]

Started using Linux now on my cheap laptop and its like finding back to the joy of computers again. Windows is really not necessary anymore for most purposes.

[@privateagent]

Many people haven't even found LibreOffice on Windows and the huge burden ($$$) they can save compared to M$ Office licenses.

[@skybennett3902]

I run a computer repair shop and one of the biggest things I hear from my clients about Windows is that they aren't convinced Windows 11 is really worth the upgrade. Considering the rocky launch and the fact that here we are over a year later, the OS still has problems. Not only that, Microsoft has been engaging in shady practices trying to trick people into installing Windows 11 through Windows Updates by giving upgrade buttons the size of Alaska while putting the decline link (not even a button) off in the corner with really tiny text making it look like they don't really have a choice. They're doing this because Windows 11 has one of the lowest adoption rates of any OS they've ever released. I get a couple machines a month in my shop of people requesting I wipe their system and reinstall Windows 10. My expectation is that near the end of the Windows 10 service life, Windows 11 will be forced in as a mandatory upgrade on systems that meet Microsoft's arbitrary supported hardware list. While I probably won't take issue with this on my home machine, I'd be pissed if I walked into the office one day and found Windows 11 on my workstation. I'm probably going to take a page out of Amazon's book and switch to Ubuntu for both my workstation and servers.

[@tokyojon4344]

Microsoft always pulls that carp, tricking people to upgrade even when they don't want to. Then, of course, they "apologize," until the next time when they do the exact same thing.

[@Zepsky383]

it's already over 2 years, and it's really sad

[@nelyrions1838]

What kind of issues does windows 11 have? I installed it on day 1. No issues. Worked just as intended. Shady practices aside, cause most companies engage in them to certain degrees and i completely agree windows can go stuff it on that point. What im most interested in is why so many people have issues with it. Is it driver issues?

[@Manigo1743]

Similar to Windows 98 and Windows 8, which where also garbage.

[@dabbinghitlersmemes1762]

And here I am, still running 7...

[@WaterKing9]

They could start by respecting our privacy and not releasing crappy broken updates. That would be a good start

[@Dunestorm333]

Microsoft seems to have no idea what real users actually want, in fact they've not known what they want since Windows 8.

[@rodrigotudancafernandez17]

I wholeheartedly believe that the biggest thing that is keeping windows alive is gaming. If the paradigm was diferent, watch Windows die in the 2010s

[@DefaultFlame]

It's the only reason I'm still using Windows for sure.

[@scottcaramel]

A lot of it is also creative applications. While creative apps on Linux are fantastic no doubt, a lot of companies require employees to use Adobe Illustrator instead of Inkscape, Maya instead of Blender or Unity instead of Godot for no real reason. While there’s usually ways to run them on Linux, a lot of the time just using Windows is easier for a lot of people. Hopefully in time companies will start to see that open-source projects are really the only way to get guaranteed long-term solutions.

[@5h4ndt]

That is changing fast. I'm on linux since over 2 years and theres only 1 or 2 games that don't work completly. I'm sure it's not completly there and i just have a coincidentally good selection of games that work on linux, but compared to about 12 years ago when I first tried to switch over to linux (where almost nothing worked, and if it did, very slowly ), it has come a very long way. In my opinion, the thing that keeps windows alive, is the same why they got big in the first place. It's installed by default on almost every machine you buy and no one, except tech enthusiasts, know how to install anything else on a pc.

[@machtmann2881]

That's the only reason I had a gaming PC. Maybe the Steam Deck will expand and have default compatibility in the future (much like Apple's Rosetta Stone 2 with Intel programs) so I can dump that gaming PC for good.

[@solidmatzo]

@@scottcaramelI thought Unity works with Linux, though

[@MrSpinkser]

What (some) people seem to miss is, that in order for AI to work ALL of your inputs (ALL) need to be send to a server and be computed. Even if the AI-engine will be local at some point, they will still suck up ALL your inputs and data for training.

[@ivan-nm1xn]

That is simply not true. You definitely can and do run AI models locally, and chip makers (includes Apple and Intel, but also AMD, Qualcomm, ARM as a whole, etc.) are building capabilities so that running locally is not only viable but desirable, which basically means highers throughput but mostly lower prediction latency. This hardware that they are building into chips has two benefits: predicting locally is always going to be faster than a roundtrip via the web and your data never leaves your computer. Also, companies don't need "ALL input data" for training as you claim. They don't actually need any of it. For one thing, your input data is what's called unlabeled, so it isn't useful for training. Training datasets are carefully prepared. It's not "just throw everything at it and go". And also there are regulations nowadays in a lot of parts of the world regarding data collection and privacy: GDPR in Europe, LGPD in Brazil, DPDP in India, and other equivalent.

[@metatherat]

If running AI models locally ever becomes common, it certainly won't be thanks to Microsoft. They very obviously want your data, and are determined to force you to stay online as much as possible. To them running AI models locally is another threat to be squashed, not a feature to be embraced.

[@LobotimirMerkanski]

@@ivan-nm1xn Predicting locally on what? The web is one big freaking AI. When I send queries to Google it's an AI that serves me and it's not local.

[@Bracket_Man]

@@LobotimirMerkanski This is wrong on so many levels

[@ivan-nm1xn]

@@Bracket_Man nevermind, these people have no idea 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@CaptainDangeax]

Working in the IT, 20 years ago everyone was laughing at Linux. Now, all companies servers run Linux

[@RonakDhakan]

The real question is how do we increase Linux adoption? Then we would not have to worry about Windows and let it die. The current fragmentation is actually hurting Linux instead of helping it.

[@maxnew453]

The thing is, adopting Linux would probably just mean adopting distributions like ubuntu or fedora which could become a problem if the companies behind decide some wild stuff like implementing telemetry

[@krazownik3139]

In my opinion it's the other way around. Fragmentation is a good thing, it prevents forcing dumb design decisions on the users through the power of sheer monopoly like Microsoft and Canonical constantly try to do. And on top of that it allows to tailor the system for specific needs of specific people. The only issue is resulting chaos, but it's more due to lack of basic knowledge about Linux distros among common people. Most of them consider distros a totally separate systems that don't have anything in common but it's just plain wrong misconception born due to exposure only to Windows and Apple systems. I think that with Linux gaining popularity more people would be accustomed to how things on the Linux side works.

[@Ramotttholl]

probably make support for it easier but that costs ppl time and money so chances are they wanna implement more Telemetry into the system. Personally im new to Linux for about 2-3 years with Mint now. and im just terrible with searching where to go if i encounter issues that i don't know how to solve.

[@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT]

​@@maxnew453but if they do that people could switch to a different distro that has the exact same things (init system, dekstop enviremont, package manager, etc.) but whitout all that crap

[@st.altair4936]

The fragmentation is a good thing. Just use any modern distro

[@spendle]

I switched over to Linux around the time Windows 11 was announced. I still keep Windows 10 installed on a laptop if I want to play a game that requires it or Linux is misbehaving trying to run it. But most of my everyday computing is done on Linux.

[@MaxOakland]

That’s so cool! Which distro?

[@CanadaMMA]

I am a PC gamer, and I especially feel this. While I don't have any interest in using a MAC to game, I do like the OS interface so I can see why non gaming users would dig it. What I think is really threatening the windows hold on PCs is operating systems like Steam OS, which is able to run pretty much very game for sale on steam. And most likely, a lot of other games too. So if windows isn't the affordable choice, it isn't the flashy choice, and it isn't the gaming choice.... what does that leave it except legacy?

[@nufosmatic]

1:51 - Windows 7 is still the finest product ever delivered by Microsoft.

[@DefaultFlame]

Yes.

[@danielklopp7007]

I contend that Windows XP was even better than Windows 7

[@DefaultFlame]

@@danielklopp7007 I liked XP more, but I think that's just me wearing nostalgia glasses. That said, they were both amazing.

[@slickrcbd9543]

@@DefaultFlameI'd argue that XP was bad on release, it wasn't until the first service pack that it became decent, and not until SP2 that it was great. After SP2, it was the best until Windows 7 came along, although I'd say 7 was only marginally better than XP. In fact, that was Microsoft's frustration in that people were not seeing a reason to upgrade from XP until they ended support in 2014 and had to put an update that put an obnoxious non-modal dialog box telling you to upgrade because support had ended. I've noticed they did NOT repeat that with Win7, but used other more subtle means such as deliberately making programs like Microsoft Teams and Office 2016 incompatible with Win7.

[@stevenemert837]

Amazing. It took Microsoft a decade to figure out that they could create multiple OS' for specific platforms instead of adding all that crap to Windows. As others have said in these comments, if Windows 7 was still supported by Microsoft, that's what I'd still be using on my PC. And even though I have an iPhone for mobile use and am writing this comment on a Chromebook, I still go to the Windows PC to do actual work. So far I've resisted going to Windows 11, staying on 10. I'll have to see what it looks like when 10 reaches end of support to determine if I upgrade to the then-current Windows or finally convert completely to desktop Linux.

[@phydeux]

You'll have to invest a LOT of work and learning if you intend to go to Linux full time, as you'll have to learn the underlying systems if you don't want to rely on others to support you. Windows 11 isn't that much different than 10 once you set your taskbar to the left and disable the new File Explorer right-click menu through a reg hack. I think the problem is people disliking change. But even iOS changes periodically. People just love to beat up on Windows because it's everywhere, but if it's SOOOO bad, why do people build things like Wine and Proton to run Windows apps in Linux?

[@musicalneptunian]

WRONG. Linux is dead easy to use. You ever been to a computer recycling centre? There Linux is put on refurbished laptops and sold to people who have NEVER used a computer and they love the Linux@@phydeux

[@phydeux]

@@musicalneptunian - Oh, sure, they love it until something goes wrong and they have no idea how to fix it. Or they want to put their favorite Windows application on it and have to go through hoops because it doesn't play nice with Wine. And no, I don't tend to hang around recycling centers. That's a weird ask.

[@circleinforthecube5170]

@@phydeux its easy and especially with gen z and millenials we get attached to operating systems, although only the old ones, fuck microsoft

[@phydeux]

@@circleinforthecube5170 - If you get attached to an OS that sounds like a "you problem". Don't pretend the rest of the world thinks the way you do. I cut my teeth on Atari BASIC and DOS 3.3 and every iteration since. Perhaps that's why I don't whine about a stable OS that has a few small drawbacks I can readily turn off. I've seen far less friendly OSes and more bugs than you've eaten nuggies. So sack up and learn to turn off the bits you don't like.

[@UberTankred]

I guess now we know why the man who was *"not really a software guy"* now became a *"not really a pharma guy"* and is now planning to become a *"not really an agriculture guy".*

[@JTKroll12]

@AnarchoGoonar dont need to be

[@aqua-bery]

​@@JTKroll12shut.

[@karbinunit]

Think he and the WEF are going for for all four badges, "the four riders of the apocalypse set" War, Famine, Pestilence and Death...............

[@pigboydigger]

is that the "not really safe to walk amongst us" guy?

[@serviteccompletojimenez8995]

@@pigboydigger definitely yes!

[@MyReviews_karkan]

Windows' only saving grace is corporations and video games. If it weren't for those two, their share would dip so much. Even gaming is getting so much better on Linux and MacOS is getting there, too.

[@Bpinator]

Losing enterprise is going to be next to impossible for Microsoft for a long time, it really is by far the best OS for enterprise use. But at this rate it will be the only thing left lol

[@mctechcraft7]

@@Bpinator also enterprises are SUPER stubborn, they hate moving platforms and will stick with them till the day they die (sometimes this can even happen because one person in management out of 100 does not want to switch)

[@seiji-kun9488]

It's all about the budget. Windows platform has a plethora of hardware options unlike MacOS.

[@isawrooka4]

@@mctechcraft7not really stubborn, migrating anything is very expensive, both in terms of time and money. But staying with windows has nothing to do with stubbornness. It is by far the easiest system to configure, manage, and monitor at scale. It integrates well with all major cloud platforms and has a ridiculous amount of information surrounding it online. Microsoft’s real genius has nothing to do with the OS itself though, rather everything that is built on top of it and integrates with it. ADDS, ADCS, windows DNS, windows DHCP, basically everything azure.. imitating that would take Apple at least a decade of hard work, and if you wanted to start from scratch even longer. Microsoft will dominate the enterprise market well after I (and most people currently working in IT) are dead.

[@MyReviews_karkan]

@@isawrooka4 Very well said. That's why I said their saving grace is corporations. I personally don't use windows for personal use, I use Linux, but I'd never want the company I work for to switch to Linux or macos. Absolutely not, it'd be an absolute nightmare for everyone from the service desk all the way to infrastructure. Mac is tighter than a nun's pants and Linux is just not very user friendly for your average grandma who just wants to take calls and crunch numbers. lol

[@Meek2001]

I see a giant shift in the tech industry 1. Microsoft is trying to be a subscription instead of a product 2. Windows is becoming more closed off 3. Apple is opening up 4. Linux gaming is rising 5. MacOS gaming is rising I see a future where 1. Windows will die 2. Businesses will slowly switch to Mac 3. Servers will be run on Linux 4. Gamers and tech-savvy will switch to Linux 5. Casuals will switch to Mac 6. Schools will use Chrome OS 7. MacOS brings back 32 bit if this happens I will be a happy boy

[@plugsocket9432]

Running my current 2013 self built desktop with Windows 7 with no security updates and running Office 2010 (still the best Office in my opinion). Still working great!

[@QuicksilverSG]

I'm running Windows 7 on a 32GB Ryzen 7 desktop PC I built in 2020. The only built-in port not supported is USB-C (no updated driver available). No problem, I just use a USB-C to USB-3 adapter. Windows 10 has only a year left till it gets EOL'ed, I personally cannot stomach Windows 11, and I have no motivation to "upgrade" from Win7. Yes, there are apps that no longer support Windows 7, but they all run on MacBooks just as well, and svelte little M1 laptops have gotten very affordable lately...

[@PhysicsGamer]

@@QuicksilverSG It's even more affordable to pick up an old HP and throw Mint on it!

[@toobabooba]

​@@QuicksilverSGWhy not just use Linux?

[@QuicksilverSG]

@@toobabooba - LOL, there's no such thing as "just" using Linux. I'm a retired Windows software developer and installed Linux distros on several projects. Linux has a steep learning curve for anyone with Windows or Mac desktop experience. I would not recommend Linux to anyone lacking a background in either academic computer science or Android app development.

[@kurtfrancis4621]

@@QuicksilverSG Thank you for that input.

[@onionike4198]

I still use windows, but my two biggest issues with it are how much computing resources it wastes, and how much data it collects from its users. The only reason I haven't switched to linux is because its still pretty inconvenient to use. Linux has been getting better over the years from a usability perspective though.

[@SchmidtDrums]

I think linux is very convenient to use actually.

[@Rexhunterj]

@@SchmidtDrums Yeah. I think most people are just too comfortable with Windows and need to get a grip of themselves. If that is how they feel and think about their PC OS, they must do it with other more important life choices too, no wonder our world is failing.

[@somusz159]

​​@@RexhunterjDumb reasoning at the end. And GNU/Linux has some windows influence, that's apparent if you have used Unix.

[@onionike4198]

@@SchmidtDrums I do remember it was really nice for programming

[@T-v2k]

@@Rexhunterj if you still need to change most advanced settings via command line, no, it's not an issue of just being too comfortable with windows. Most normal people are not willing to learn and remember command line commands.

[@BlueberryBobs]

I feel like windows could have significantly protected their market share by making licensing agreements with OEMs preventing them from installing bloat. This is certainly not the only problem with windows, but the bloat you are practically guaranteed to get with a new computer seriously undercuts the value proposition of windows.

[@flarebear5346]

Most of that bloat comes directly from microsoft. They refuse to make a simple and reliable operating system

[@raidev_]

Microsoft should also stop adding bloat themselves

[@teknixstuff]

Microsoft provides 60% of the bloat. Yes, manufactures ship enough junk to kill a PC, but W11 (and recent versions of Windows 10) ship even more junk, albeit usually the junk is less aggressive to startup etc.

[@SirFaceFone]

Funny thing is they used to have a Windows Signature Edition that came without bloatware.

[@BlueberryBobs]

Nowadays Microsoft is adding bloat, but the video is about a decline since 2011. I would not call their additions at that time bloat. In my opinion their current addition of bloat are a desperate attempt to maintain the same level of profitability while losing marketshare.

[@PowerWinsTop]

Windows should have spent all these years fucking up their OS on building a logistic chain to release a MacBook equivalent, fully built by MS. They should sell the OS separately too, but it's so obvious at this point that apple building their computers from the ground up has obvious advantages. Software hasnt peaked, but honestly it's good enough. Mac pushing for better hardware while doing extremely incremental feature add to their OS is a big brain move. I've used apple for several years now on my work computers, and I can't name a single feature I needed for my workflow, that's been removed, and wasn't also replaced with a strictly better feature.

[@ProjectPhysX]

It's like everything Microsoft touches gets poisoned with incompetence. My next OS will be Linux. Windows 11 is such a pile of junk. In file explorer, Ctrl+V is broken, extracting .zip is broken, auto-hide/extend taskbar is broken, copy+paste in notepad does not select linebreaks, display brightness control is broken. Yet the built-in ads and bloatware ("widgets") work.

[@rumisbadforyou9670]

Autohide has never worked, not on Win7, Win8.1 or Win10. If one rogue window overtakes foreground, you can't get the task bar to the front without Win+D and clicking on it.

[@familyshare3724]

Don't confuse sales and usage. PC sales reflect alternative device usage as well as "the old is still good enough". Certainly, new Mac OS users are buying new Macs. No one wants Windows 11, no one needs a Windows PC, and it's difficult to tease out Linux desktop installations (on new and old devices).

[@svr5423]

Exactly that. PCs last forever now. My current one is from 2015, this year I will replace it as the components are aging and it's sucking up a lot of power. But 64GB of RAM on an 8core and more GPU Power than a PS5 is still perfectly usable today.

[@colonelfustercluck486]

I've teased mine, and it's all good. On old and a brand new PC (the latest)......it works brilliantly.

[@isaiahking95]

Why is this a bad thing? Microsoft help a monopoly and it's good to see that decline. I'd love to live in a world where the OS share is like 33% Windows 33% macOS and 33% Linux-based.

[@PatPatych]

You really would not.

[@st.altair4936]

That would be amazing

[@scifino1]

@@PatPatych Why not? Diversity is good, after all. Cross-platform software is already a thing, so developers can achieve that with ease, but also, if you have a specific problem to solve, you can still optimize and limit your program to require one specific platform / feature.

[@undercoverduck]

It's bad for Microsoft. It'd be great for the PC market as a whole!

[@undercoverduck]

It's bad for Microsoft. It'd be great for the PC market as a whole!

[@noahheninger]

I want Linux to take more market share so that Windows goes back to being a regular operating system.

[@LightMCXx]

same lol

[@nullpointerworks4036]

I actually ran into a curious problem with Win10S when trying to upgrade it to a regular Win10. I had a key, but couldn't activate windows because I didn't have an internet connection. My WiFi dongle didn't work and needed a driver. Windows blocked it because it wasn't a "trusted" application. I can only download software from the appstore. So I was stuck with a shitty Windows S machine on which I can't do the things I need to do. A few days later I found an old antenna dongle in my box with legacy hardware and finally got it to work. That was a frustrating experience.. why?! Microsoft... why?!

[@grimvian]

I have a very big smile when thinking, I don't have to waste my time to install a MS license key again, because I have upgraded some hardware.

[@KrotowX]

Because you didn't used Microsoft Certified hardware. Shame on you 🙂 Well, actually it IS real problem and not only in neutered Windows S versions.

[@grimvian]

@@KrotowX I have always regarded a software license, as a right to just use it, as you have to read a book. It's still the authors property. As a MS semaphore, the author could say, that you can't read the book anymore, because you have moved to another house...

[@goldenheartOh]

Because big companies these days act like they own what you buy after you paid for it & get to tell you how you can use it "for your own good- I mean safety."

[@Dude_truthteller]

Why didn't you just download Windows from the official website and install it, and then activate it with a key from the Internet, it's that simple

[@otakubullfrog1665]

Remember how exciting a new version of Windows used to be back in the days of XP or even Windows 95? Sure, there'd be bugs to content with on launch, but there were always plenty of exciting new features to try. The problem with Windows is that most people have gone from worrying that their PC might not be able to handle to new version to wishing that Microsoft would stop begging them to install the new version for free.

[@joemerino3243]

A series of disastrous product launches where the new product was the opposite of what consumers wanted in every way will do that.

[@fuckingpippaman]

man i remember when i first installed 7, i was blown away after XP. Then 12 years later i'm still stuck there. I still need windows and can't stand linux. But in the end i'll have to give up and just switch to Linux, and VM windows for the needs.

[@mikem9536]

Windows 95 was a buggy mess compared to Windows 10 or 11, XP was also buggy until SP2.

[@jpt3640]

​​@@fuckingpippamanwine will be most likely all you ever need. But yes, this was my approach too. Put XP into a VM.

[@jpt3640]

Bugs in launch? The XP file manager *never* fixed the bug of drag and drop into the wrong folder when dropping on the tree in the left. Such a basic daily maneuver never getting fixed?

[@hermanwooster8944]

This video does an excellent job at showing MS's decline. While most tech companies are releasing products that are actually useful, Microsoft is in the corner doing something weird whether it's Vista that needed more RAM than enthusiast computers had, or Windows 8 that had two sets of apps (metro and desktop) or Windows 11 that arbitrarily deprecated fully working hardware or requiring web accounts for desktop apps. Now it's CoPilot. Microsoft seems to have forgotten how business works. The user is the customer and Microsoft is the service provider. In Microsoft's view, the user is the product and they are the customer. Like all obsolete empires, this one will die a slow death unless they get new leadership ASAP.

[@michaelashby9654]

The killer AI feature I'd like would be for the device to adjust all audio levels to be consistent and time of day appropriate. Its strange to me that we still don't have an OS that does this. If I am blasting music at noon and then open the device at 4AM to check meetings, the audio should be leveled down to 1.

[@Daimo83]

That's the most random complaint I've ever heard

[@visheshl]

This is the reason everything is so messed up. Don't give your controls to ai, take them back, it's just a few button presses of the volume control. You don't want everything to be automated. You can press the down volume button a few times. You don't need the os to do it for you.

[@niggacockball7995]

why would you want AI for this?

[@acajoom]

Why not have a computer shut down itself by telling you to go to sleep ? That would be a killer feature.

[@Uncle_Fred]

The only thing I want AI related in Windows is improvements to the troubleshooter. A troubleshooter that actually did anything useful other than reset the ethernet controller would be nice. Otherwise, I just want Windows to standardize its interface; preferably placing all settings in a single location that can be searched with filters similar to modern Android. Windows now has several generations of settings panels, each less intuitive than the last.

[@souptaels]

We gonna see the same cycle with AI, just watch. >Sees AI is popular >Introduces Bing AI >Sees AI is actually dying off >Spends years removing AI and increasing leftover bloat instead of just improving their OS >Repeat I hope someday Microsoft will realize we don't need all these fancy features and that we just want a good, stable PC.

[@siddiki9778]

Spot on! I already hate the AI integration in their browser and now they're bundling it inside the OS itself 🤢

[@naioma355]

I don't see AI dying though. Especially since google (the search engine, not the company) is becoming worse and worse at giving useful answers I see myself using Edge more and more just to ask Bing Chat and get better answers.

[@Nyver253]

@@naioma355true but AI is just as ass as current google, the only difference is that AI is more confident. I’ve gotten so much misinformation from it.

[@BlackTakGolD]

AI is like Vaporwave at this point, people keep saying it's dying or will die, but it thrives the more you think of it as dead, because for AI, if it gets adopted less it gets regulated less, evidence is that only now when AI gets real popular, the biden administration is trying to implement regulation on it, and as for Vaporwave, it literally is built by the irony of nostalgia and things going stale, both of them will never really die, you just get people that want it to die lol.

[@64bitmodels66]

the idea tha ai is gonna die off is ridiculous

I think, one of the biggest mistakes (not only Microsoft's, on the Linux side for example, Canonical's Ubuntu tried something similar) is assuming that one OS/UI can fit _all_ use cases. When in reality people usually prefer different UI for a smart phone / tablet, and a desktop PC, just to mention an example. Because they are so different, I cannot even understand why it's an idea at the first place to try to push the very same ides on both (yes, maybe cheaper to have only one UI/OS ...).

[@DrunkenUFOPilot]

It's like saying the same interface should be fine for a helicopter, a speedboat and a bicycle.

[@l30n.marin3r0]

Look up hyprland

[@moardargons8160]

Yes, Ubuntu's Unity UI, like Windows 8, forced a touchscreen tablet UI onto desktop users, who were not pleased. Much drama ensued.

[@jray1429]

Ubuntu who❓ 😀 It tried and I tried it, not really that impressed. I tried Lindows as well, not sure who remembers that one

[@Mallchad]

Sure one UI can cover all use cases ifit has the right settings. A good OS should NOT force bad design decisions on a platform of who's the UX was not intended for. ie. fullscreen tablet style application on PC (by the way, that's terrible event on tablets, the fullscreen context switch is attrocious, fullscreen sure but make it more fluid)

[@AndreGreeff]

ironically, just last month I switched my general desktop environment back to Linux from Windows... specifically because of how MS are already plastering AI on everything. if they approached it from an "opt-in only" point of view things might be different, but instead they seem to be going for a "good luck trying to opt-out" point of view. so with regards to whether or not AI will "save Windows", I guess we'll just have to wait and see how the general public respond to it. having said that, I will keep my x86 system as a dual-boot setup, at least until support for gaming on Linux improves.. bottom line: it's MY computer. I picked the hardware by hand, built it myself, and I fully intend to use it how I choose to, not how MS thinks I should.

[@Ew-wth]

Their 'big bet on AI' is literally what makes me consider to go to Linux.

[@connivingkhajiit]

if you do, go with Linux Mint

[@colonelfustercluck486]

I have done the switch to Linux (Linux Mint) a couple of years ago. It is trouble free, and if you come off Windows it is pretty intuitive. Just don't mess around deleting this or that in the file system (as Windows people tend to do) unless you really know what you are doing, or you may delete something essential. That was my leaning curve. Then get to know the system and how it works... then you won't make silly errors. It is easy and just works. But it is different. I keep my Windows for anything that I cannot do on LINUX.... but I haven't done that in months. There are 'work around's' for games, STEAM, Windows on Linux, Wine etc. Or do a VM inside linux... using any other O/S including any variety of Windows that you like. Or Dual Boot. You can use 'Terminal' on linux, or use GUI. Linux Mint has a good GUI and makes it all easy. Accessories like printers and other devices are plug and play, it just all seems to go. And if it doesn't work, the drivers are on-line, after you check out the Forum for advice.

[@scottcaramel]

Switched to Linux Mint just a couple days ago. Setup was a little annoying with my WiFi adapter, but it’s been smooth sailing ever since. I have yet to boot into Windows ever since, since all Windows really offers above Linux is multiplayer games that I don’t even play anymore. All the games I care about are still available on Linux, and most everything I do as a hobby like art is available too. I don’t see myself turning back anytime soon.

[@Zeakthecat]

same. i don't mind AI, but i rather AI stay out of my computer. give support to AI, but don't integrated AI. and windows fucked themselves with AI integrated. windows 11 will be the last OS of windows i use.

[@DefaultBoyBand]

@watersquid8376 so you chose ubuntu as a replacement for windows based on the amount of spyware? i mean it makes sense, yeah. ubuntu will be the closest for an average windows user in that field

[@IgorRockt]

Windows 11 has one big problem: privacy (or the lack of it). I'll stop using Windows once Windows 10 runs completely out (I will probably keep one offline computer running with it for a few apps). Linux as a user OS has come quite a long way, too, and I guess that'll (finally) be my new OS in the future (maybe with a Windows 10 VM for the stuff which is not available for Linux). MacOS is not an alternative for me at all, I like that company even less than Microsoft... (I should mention that I'm using Linux as a server system for over 25 years already).

[@ИванДунин-т7и]

Linux is spying too

[@st.altair4936]

@@ИванДунин-т7и And I'm inside your walls

[@fundoo203]

​@@ИванДунин-т7иnever heard of that. Can you share sources

[@gfasterOS]

@@ИванДунин-т7и"Linux" is not spying at all. Some distros may collect telemetry but they don't hide it. Other distros, such as Debian, don't spy on you at all. This is something you can verify because you can actually read all the code that goes into it.

[@Codyslx]

So what is windows 11 doing differently that windows 10 isn't? Do you have proof of spying?

[@TadeoDOria]

Great analysis! I was one of the ones who abandoned Windows when 8 came around, I bought a new laptop for work and it made my life a lot harder than it needed to. I'd been hearing about users migrating to Ubuntu so I tried it for a week, which ended up being permanent lol. Now I use it on my desktop as well, can't say I miss Windows, as a 3D designer I can work on Ubuntu no problem (in fact on several aspects I have it easier than my co-workers on Windows), and thanks to Proton I can play games in my downtime too, so no reason to even dual-boot. As for ARM, it's an interesting new frontier, Apple obviously dominates and there are several well developed Linux distros already for it, so it looks like Windows will be late to the party there as well.

[@colonelfustercluck486]

Don't forget that Raspberry Pi is ARM too. And it runs Debian/Ubuntu as well.... good for an experimental PC, or put it in a case and do it full time. Not as fast as a new gee whiz computer, but they are fast enough for normal use. (Unfortunately Mint have not developed an ARM version)

[@ocvjw8734]

It wasn't late so much as not well developed or adopted. Windows has had an ARM version since 2012, (maybe earlier) starting with RT. WoA until now has been a fragmentation / compatibility headache. Hopefully the Snapdragon chips alleviates much of this.

[@SametKaratas-db1xu]

Why Windows, macOS and Linux is drying slow is because, smartphones like Google's Android and Apple's iOS are popular so, Windows, macOS and Linux will be dry soon 👀

[@Metalrasputian]

This trend makes a whole lot more sense when you start realizing Microsoft makes its money in the Enterprise space, and so the Windows team isnt just competing in the market with Apple and various distros, but also internally with the Azure and other enterprise teams. Windows is really a place where they can throw spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks while Azure chugs along making boat loads of cash. Its also why they really dont give two hoots about license pirchasing anymore. They obviously care to an extent but I havent had to pay for a new license since 7 because of the free upgrade path.

[@THE-X-Force]

It's telemetry / privacy abuse that is finally driving me from Windows. Surprised that wasn't mentioned, since MS has gone all-in on it since 11.

[@lokelaufeyson9931]

the loss of user control over the system and the requirement to hack your windows to customize it was my first reason to move to linux. Stll use windows today but only as a customer service burner system. Hacked it a tad so its debloated and no data is sent to microsoft but its no big job on it.. at max 30 min at install and then its all good..

[@CMDRSweeper]

Sadly you have to remember a lot of Windows users are tied to the old Win32 API, and swapping to ARM and emulation will be... Messy. It is already a mess with the properitary binaries, but it will be a lot worse if you have to emulate them on a Microsoft solution, even Apple with the M1 Mac shows a lot of issues with the emulation of complex apps for the old X86 that they had back in the day. It is very easy to explain why, once you reduce the instruction set on the CPU, some may be harder to swap around correctly, and with a wild west of compilers using some of the instructions in creative ways, you will have weird issues when you try to emulate.

[@the_mariocrafter]

at least Microsoft does not drop application support left and right like macOS and iOS does

[@SJohnsoninc]

> even Apple with the M1 Mac shows a lot of issues with the emulation of complex apps for the old X86 that they had back in the day. that is true, however, unlike Microsoft, nobody expects 40 years of backwards compatibility from Apple. You can still run apps compiled for Windows 3.1 NATIVELY on Windows 11. In 2018 Apple started warning users and developers that the next release of macOS won't be able to run 32 bit apps at all. And sure enough, next year they completely killed any support for 32 bit binaries, basically telling the developers to "recompile for x64 or x86_64 or you're done on macOS". And in a couple of years it simply worked. And now we're seeing the exact thing with ARM. Yes, currently you can run x64 apps using Rosetta 2, but I totally expect Apple to start warning users next year that the year after that they will no longer be able to that will force the developers to make native ARM binaries. And it will work again. And Microsoft institutionally simply cannot comprehend this, because most of their business is E N T E R P R I S E, and enterprise wants their backwards compatibility, which forces their hand quite hard and makes it impossible to de-bloat the system. EDIT: M1 was released in 2020. The last Intel Mac was released in 2021 (except for the Mac Pro, which is a very low volume product and therefore irrelevant here. For the people buying it, paying the premium was cost of business, and they'll do it again and again). I'm actually willing to bet money that the 2025 or 2026 version of macOS will no longer support running x64 binaries, thereby hitting the final nail in that coffin. 4-5 years of feature upgrades would be 2-4 years less than the usual, but if you bought an Intel Mac after M1 was released, you knew what you were getting into.

[@svr5423]

That's their own fault if they use proprietary stuff. I always laugh at those "specialists". If you just stick to the standards, your software will compile. Doesn't matter if it's OSX/ARM Windows/x64 or AIX/Power.

[@MrHowardMoon]

I've just bought a Macbook Air. Microsoft forgot who they were and I'm glad to see their decline.

[@SirFaceFone]

I generally prefer using MS services over other Big Tech corpos' offerings, but I see Windows declining as a great thing. We need more competition in this space, preferably from a less scummy company. But looking at who's taking up the market share though (mainly Apple and Google), I'm not sure if I should be hopeful. They already have a duopoly on mobile, imagine if they could be on desktop as well.

[@st.altair4936]

Preferably not from a company at all. The tech sphere needs permanent FOSS solutions like Blender

[@xerxes4real]

Linux linux linux linux linux linux and more linux. that is what we need

[@illdeletethismusic]

Linus Torvalds needs to add "or later" to the GPL2 requirement for the Linux kernel. Android, ChromeOS and Microsoft Azure are crippled Linux, and GPL3 bans that crippling.

[@DrSloww]

ZorinOS is my daily driver. Been using it for over a year. Haven't looked back!

[@coastaku1954]

The last thing we need is more competition, Linux already gives me a headache because theres a billion OSs. Windows is easy, Windows is simple, Windows just works

[@PXAbstraction]

As a life-long Windows user who will never touch a Mac, in no small part because of how anti-repair and anti-upgrade Apple is, I can list off pages of things they need to prioritize over awful UI changes and the ads that seem to be baking into the OS, but here's the thing: Microsoft is no longer an OS company, they're a cloud company. Azure makes them the majority of their money now, not Windows. Windows going away certainly wouldn't be a good thing for the company, but it's no longer their focus, and probably never will be again. Apple is still in the business of selling overpriced hardware to people who prioritize shininess first and on that front, they're succeeding for better or worse. But that's just not Microsoft's focus anymore. I don't like it at all, but it seems to be the way of things.

[@KitsGravity]

I was about to comment on the same thing. Azure is the bread winner for Microsoft these days and not Windows. Ever since Satya Nadela came in as CEO, the company has been more focused on cloud computing and business solutions than end user products such as Windows

[@johnsalamii]

i just straight up hate apple. but at the same time they are the only company thats improving on alot of things while the rest adds useless stuff or doesn't add or fix anything at all

[@CSnrgy]

​@@johnsalamiithat's simply incorrect mate. Sorry.

[@MrEiniweini]

As a user of both Windows and Mac, the Mac is by far the superior product, although you pay for it. Upgradability is an illusional left over from the 90's but even then it was kind of bullshit. Hardware drives software development and since the PS1, Xbox and laptops dominate the market, PC and Mac hardware development have far exceeded the gaming machines before their retirement. The simple fact is that the PC market is 3 years behind Apple already and the new Snapdragon ARM chip will still need to be written to to operate games, so that is another year. Both platforms disappoint me. I expected Mac to really target AAA games with the M1 but they didn't and I expected a Windows ARM chip 18 months ago that was competitive.

[@PXAbstraction]

@@MrEiniweini Apple doesn't care about gaming and never had. And upggradeability is still very much alive today and a core facet of why the PC is important. Apple's treatment of that and right to repair, which are only done for their benefit alone, make them a consumer hostile company.

[@temp50]

"AI features" are the ones which makes me think on a daily basis about switching to some linux distro completely.

[@markuskopter]

I think we are at a technological breakpoint right now, when it comes to AI. Just like when riding horses has been replaced by driving cars. Many people back then were scared by the new tech, because they did not understand its benefits. Once people learned how to use cars to their advantage, they managed to live with the flaws cars have compared to horses.

[@temp50]

@@markuskopter 'AI' alone is not a problem. The problem is that the calculations most probably won't happening on your local device. So from now on not only 'telemetry' will travel to the cloud but basically everything what you are doing on your computer/phone, etc... In the name of 'AI', they will store everything about you.

[@markuskopter]

@@temp50 That may be true for today, but as devices get more powerful that could change. Given the fact that hardware already gets shipped with dedicated AI Chips, data security issues may be less problematic in the future. This is where we as customers have to decide where to put our money. If we don't, companies had few reasons to change.

[@Locked101]

Do it

[@Zack_Wester]

@@temp50 all this AI talk and they cant make NPC in GTA not lemming walk of a cliff because of stupidly. fuck I remmber COH1 put two MG teams and one AT gun on the end of a bridge, the AI would send tanks and infantry to caputre a point at the middle. (spoiler never used artillery, because it was a player made map and he had not put in the AI hint nodes only generated the navigation mesh that is required for a map to compile).