Microsoft’s Awful 2010 Smartphone

[@extraverse]

The follow-up device should have been called the “Next of Kin”

[@MobileFilmmaking]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@kenjifox4264]

isn't that way you say when someone dies?

[@TRLTheRandomLab]

Well, the phone was DOA, so you're right, you'd need to find the next of kin :D

[@AdamSaeed]

Kenji Fox Yes, they say “notify the next of kin” to tell his relatives

[@kenjifox4264]

@@AdamSaeed like... "You use a Kin?? that's it, you're dead to me. I'll notify next of Kin."

[@Macusercom]

Imagine a world where the Microsoft Kin took over instead of the iPhone with the Kin 12 Pro around the corner 😆

[@redmigacha]

I can't even think of a world where Windows Phone surpasses iPhone. It sounds so... weird?

[@Xalgucennia]

@@redmigacha a lot of things could have happened. Anyone from the 90s would have assumed palm pilot and blackberry would have dominated the mobile market, IBM and HP would be making the cpus and yahoo and excite would be the top search email and search engines. Microsoft is really the only brand from that era to really still be relevant (apple might count though keep in mind, they were dead for a while until Jobs came back)

[@varunnarain50]

@@redmigacha hey, windows phone 7 was genuinely good and really fun and interesting to use. The complete lack of app support killed it and I’ll always miss how fluid and well animated the entire OS was. With a really cool aesthetic to boot.

[@aditjindal]

"Then I got the Razr and I felt cooler." R.I.P. Quinn's brother 😂😂

[@lilobungus1572]

lmfao yeah back in the day having a Razr was cool asf

[@mazyoda_]

Cousin 😉

[@nfugitt89]

I remember following this in real time, it was WILD. When Verizon required a data plan, everyone knew it was DOA

[@CommodoreFan64]

Yep as back then requiring a phone to have an expensive 3G Data plan to even function, when the service was spotty AF in many places(still is in 2020, along with 4G LTE) truly was an instant death nail.

[@ThisIsTechToday]

Ah, I remember this thing! It's still super cute!

[@Moskito844]

Yeah, right. If you think diabetes is cute then of course

[@papajohn5613]

Ya is cute

[@matthewelerick648]

I had kin twom

[@Jarblyy]

I remember always wanting a kin

[@matthewelerick648]

@@Jarblyy lol only i just got it for the radio it had texting but you couldn’t forward messages you had to remember the messages if you wanted forward somebody else no notes, no Drowning pad, had wifi

[@Nico-xt7wt]

12:21 iPadOS 2020 feels

[@altairbueno5637]

Nico 2102 tim said they will release a calculator app for the iPad when they could make something revolutionary for it

[@Nico-xt7wt]

Altair Bueno I really want to see those “revolutionary” changes

[@altairbueno5637]

Nico 2102 I imagine they will launch some kind of apple pencil handwritten calculator, but its wip

[@Nico-xt7wt]

Altair Bueno they can just implement it with scribble without adding a calculator app if that’s the case, even then, what about everyone that doesn’t have a Apple Pencil? They just can’t use the calculator app?

[@altairbueno5637]

@@Nico-xt7wt i said revolutionary. Using scribble over a text field isnt revolutionary. Additionally, everybody can just use Spotlight for math with scribble...

[@shulem463]

Always the case: office politics ruins everything.

[@DrewPera]

I had a Nokia Windows Phone. I loved the OS, and to this day still feel as though it was superior in many respects.

[@AndiKola]

It's been 4 years since I ditched my Lumia for Android and I still can't find anything to satisfy my usability as far as Navigating and managing apps and data that comes from those apps. Also, Auto-rotate in Android sucks balls....So hard.

[@sonithkumar5832]

Yeah even the third party apps seemed to integrate better with the OS

[@eval_is_evil]

No

[@sonithkumar5832]

@@eval_is_evil I'd say all the major apps did. The ones that were available anyway. I used the phone for 3 years moved to android 3 years ago. Don't think I enjoy the same level of UX in android.

[@XboxOnPodcast]

It really was. Rip Windows Phone :/

[@jessthebenjamin758]

I just heard the words “cool” and “My Space” in the same sentence. Oh how far we’ve come

[@xlixity]

Calling the Kin a Zune phone is an insult to the Zune. The Zune went all out to be a viable alternative; it's problem was little marketing and arriving too late to the party. It's an underrated mp3 player. The Kin was a half-assed attempt with a huge marketing budget. It's problem was everything _except_ marketing.

[@kenjifox4264]

the Zune player may have been just OK as a competitor to the iPod; but technologically, there was absolutely no way that the Zune Phone could ever have a ray of hope of competing against the iPhone. Zero chance.

[@xlixity]

​@@kenjifox4264 I dunno why he calls it a Zune phone though. It has barely anything to do with the Zune outside of the music app. It would be like calling Windows 8 the Zune OS because MS's metro UI is derived from Zune's UI.

[@kenjifox4264]

@@xlixity he only mentioned that MS added the zune player software to the Kin. His mistake I guess...

[@m1l3s27]

That's not true at all, the very first iteration of zune was garbage and launched literally near the peak of ipod. Many have discussed this, including a personal fave on here dankpods. The latter ones weren't bad and had some good ideas, but it wasn't enough, and it was much too late. If anything I'd say the kin matches the zune in being rushed to market and not enough to change anything in the market to a significant degree.

[@Okand2]

I absolutely loved my Zune 80. Fantastic music player and at the time okay video player too, you just had to figure out how to encode videos for it. It also had support for podcasts.

[@gastypm]

At the time seems like everyone was trying to encapsulate every phone to some specialization. Blackberry? Mail. Sidekick? IM. Kin? Social. Palm? "Enterprise" stuff. The modern smartphone idea, in which the devices adapt really well for almost any task and doesn't specialize in anything in particular, was what the original iPhone and then Android nailed. And seems like when the Kin was released, this idea of a specialized phone was already getting old. Loved the video! Your analysis of old tech are very admirable.

[@gastypm]

@3165dwayne I didn't say it was. In fact, what I said is that none of today's phone excels at anything. But they are good enough for everything, and that's what makes them good and the ultimate device.

[@LordVarkson]

Good insight. I disagree with the idea of the iPhone being good at everything being it's core competency, though. It wasn't about that, it was about providing a good core experience that meshes well with human psychology. Since it got that down well, it made everything else it did feel great, and they were able to effectively build on it with each version of iOS.

[@gastypm]

@@LordVarkson A good core experience it's tightly attached to the fact that it was a single big screen that could become anything you want.

[@thewalkingforest5185]

My friend had one of those phones when we were in middle school. I thought it was pretty cool

[@always.elevate]

Man, I absolutely miss fun feature phones like this. I had a Sony-Ericsson Walkman phone that made me feel like king of 9th grade lol

[@CollinKeegan]

Rest In Peace, Windows 10 for Phone. Those things were just too ahead of their time.

[@Dave102693]

@Michael Kevin Millet because the Google squad shut that shit down

[@kahuna1247]

It was "cool" for the YT's of the day to bash Microsoft for everything, while waving around the fruit logo. Reviewers never gave Windows phones the proper time of day, even though they had fantastic features. I remember the attitude being "If it didn't run Snapchat, it was a failure".

[@Scg1997]

Yeah, I got one of these while in middle school. My mom told me and my sister that the Verizon guy said they were popular with teens. I'm not sure if he lied to her, or if she lied to us, but I'm pretty sure it was after the "update" that I got it because I've never seen any of those social features. The FM radio was cool though Edit: Actually finished the video, yeah I definitely had the One M

[@sriramsundar8388]

Worst Apple phone vs Worst Microsoft phone: The iTunes Phone vs Zune Phone.

[@redmigacha]

Please don't remind this world of that Motorola ROKR...

[@cjmellon]

I've figured it out! These videos are just History presentations you weren't allowed to present in school cause it's not "real history" lol

[@bradenfitzpatrick8352]

That Os looks really smart though. It was a small screen and seemed like it made a great use of it

[@itsthisguyNeil]

Former Verizon wireless tech support here. I sold many of these phones back in 2010-2011. Many of them returned within a week. I met one family who loved them, the dad swore by them and everytime they would upgrade, all the kids got new Kins. Also, the contact thing, Verizon used to train us how to sync those contacts, I can’t believe some people really went to the Verizon store where their phone with another phone would be hooked to a machine just to transfer contacts. Wild times.

[@robschoeny7320]

The Zune HD and Zune subscription was ahead of its time. Great analysis.

[@shulme89]

Still have my zune

[@mallorydurrick]

My daughter had two sidekicks and was over the moon in love with it. It was a cool phone at the time.

[@CommodoreFan64]

One of my co workers at the time had one, as his Son was born def, and it helped them communicate more easy at the time, and I thought it was indeed cool. I did not get my first personal cell phone till mid 06 with a cheap, and cheerful Motorola C139 hockey puck on AT&T's GOPhone service, as the landscaping company I had been working for before that had giving us basic Nokia phones, and since they were footing the bill I felt why bother to get my own.

[@GodxPoseidon]

I really wish you create more videos... love the creativity for the projects you make and the way you present them. Keep it up bro!

[@daniellundvall1652]

I've gotta say, your videos have really come to a new level of quality! I'm really enjoying them! Keep up the good work man!

[@DeVstatrOmga]

Still have my Zune. Still works. Under rated IMO.

[@xlixity]

Same. Have a 2nd gen Zune 160GB Black model for the gym and an 8GB Zune HD I keep in my car. Great devices.

[@alliejr]

xlixity No doubt, “great devices”. The problem is that iPods of that era were ALSO great devices- and all of mine from that era also still work great. Apple didn’t event the MP3 player, but they did invent the iPod. Microsoft, unfortunately, didn’t event anything. They only made another iPod.

[@xlixity]

@@alliejr Funny enough. Zune did pioneer stuff; they had a streaming service before anyone else did; the Zune Pass. The problem was the price; $14.99 a month. You got to keep one song per month, but $15 was still too much for a streaming service. Had they lowered it to $6.99, Spotify might not exist today. What Apple did right was marketing and making their devices idiot-proof. While people give Apple flak for being too simplistic, it's this simplicity that makes them appealing to non-tech savvy people, AKA most of the world. Zune entered the party too late. I really loved it's software on PC, the device GUI, all of it... but I also know how hard MS dropped the ball with poor marketing and a late arrival.

[@alliejr]

xlixity I think you refer to mobile streaming. I’ve had music streaming since the early days of Rhapsody (Real Networks) in the early 2000s. I still use Napster (former Rhapsody) to this day, not Spotify.

[@xlixity]

alliejr I mean if you wanna get technical winamp was doing it before anyone else, but Zune was the first one to do it on a mainstream scale with a wide library. I liked Rhapsody back when I had a Sansa mp3 player, but didn't like it's music selection and it's choice of "channels".

[@Gubby-Man]

I love these “tech history videos”. Can you make one about the HP TouchPad?

[@ilikewater7748]

I remember loosing my shi- for those phones as a child lmaoo they were so crappy

[@Random-zr9xh]

Oof same

[@maxonary]

Oof same

[@zaaajac]

I went literally thru every store in my city and around to find it... never bought one xD

[@ilikewater7748]

@@zaaajac you've made a great decision

[@zaaajac]

blm i haven’t bought it because there weren’t any 😂

[@fluffycritter]

Incidentally, Android was also a spiritual successor to the Danger Hiptop OS -- both were led by Andy Rubin. Regarding "the loop," I worked on the Sony Ericsson XPeria X1, and one of the things we were building for it was a similar function, an aggregating social media platform. It was pretty neat, but it got pretty much immediately obsoleted by Twitter and Facebook providing their own Android apps. I don't remember if the device launched with this feature but it definitely didn't last long.

[@LordVarkson]

Oh interesting, was that the floating picture thing that you scrolled through?

[@fluffycritter]

@@LordVarkson Probably! You'd have to be a bit more specific with a screenshot or video though. :)

[@jordanbailey2044]

I love these dives into little known failed projects. It adds context to how the market has evolved over time.

[@socosurf]

I did not expect this much of a detailed run down of the KIN. Great video once again. I miss the days of unique, interesting phones. It was exciting seeing devices try to switch things up. Now, we just have a sea of glass screens that all look the same. Oh well.

[@IOSam]

This video is a true MBA style business case study on what not to do on: a) mergers & acquisitions; b) research & development; c) talent management; d) competitive analysis; e) marketing & sales; and finally f) business intelligence... ...all of that in just 19 minutes!

[@snazzy]

You’re not wrong!

[@nimoy007]

I learned you stuck to your strengths and kept on making quality content. You're well spoken, and your videos are well produced. Keep it up!

[@nmartswim]

Actually had and use a Kin Twom as my first phone back as a teenager. When I went into the Verizon store, the sales rep didn’t even know that phone was real. He had to check with his manager, and then the whole time we were purchasing it, the manager kept asking if I actually wanted that phone. Being the teenager I was, I didn’t have the money for an Android device and my family was on Verizon, so the iPhone wasn’t an option. I really think Microsoft missed out on the M-series; they could have made really good feature phones if they had been marketed that way. Smartphone-esque interface (threaded messaging, modern gallery app, the calendar, etc.) without a data plan requirement and solid built-in music software were what made the M-series really attractive to me.

[@Nico-xt7wt]

7:52 for that ram I would have use it even today man, do you know how many chrome tabs you can open with that much? At least 5

[@MyReviews_karkan]

Let's all take a minute of silence for our beloved windows phone operating system. It was hands down the sexiest and most amazing mobile OS in existence..

[@snazzy]

*webOS has entered the chat*

[@MyReviews_karkan]

@@snazzy Isn't that LG's TV'S OS? I am talking about the windows phones. Edit: Damn, I live in a cave. lol I still like windows better

[@digitalage2010]

I do love and enjoy this kind of historical tech documentary you create. Thank you. Blessings to you and yours.

[@danielxmiller]

What makes me so upset about this whole thing is that Verizon still decided to charge the full data plan price for this phone when Microsoft took so many data features out...which was the whole point of the device, to get teens with no money cheap data plans and a feature phone.

[@stevey500]

Zune's biggest failure was the software experience of loading it up with music. Being forced to install in some cases, multiples of Windows XP service pack updates and having to use an updated version of Windows Media Player that didn't install properly from the online installer 90% of the time one tried to make it work, it ruined the whole experience. This made the iPod win, really hard.

[@MysteryMii]

16:12 48 days after launch, to be precise.

The zune was a good product...it just hit in a saturated market. My friend had one and it was genuinely neat. I had a Creative Zen Xtra 30gb

[@alexmasso96]

the thing is that most of the features were moved to Windows Phone 7 or 8 where all social feeds were moved in the contacts app and all the IM in the messaging app. Then they fucked it all up with the Windows 10 update.

[@harvey4385]

Havent watched the video and i already know its going to be interesting, entertaining and informative. With high quality production as well. I can't fault this channel and that's why its my favourite tech channel

[@seancostello150]

My sister's husband was on PMX and later windows phone. He gave me a leftover Kin. I got to use the original os. I remember all the hype and promise of MS in the days between the launches windows 7 and 10. The mobile hardware and software were ahead of their time, but somehow felt different than anything else. It was special. I used a Lumia 929 for as long as I could and replaced it 4 times before it was completely unsupported. I still have a Zune. We'll never know what we could've had.

[@LmgWarThunder]

I think your background could use more color. I think a sit-stand desk to raise the monitors would help, but I'm not sure what to do about the sign above them.

[@purplefuku]

I had a Sidekick! I adored that thing. I ran an eBay side business using it. (This was before thrift stores wised up & cut out the middleman...). I used to go around & buy used stuff to sell (mostly games & DVDs). I used my Sidekick to check eBay prices on the go! I still kinda miss that kick when you flipped the screen...

[@burtonyan8467]

With current discussions around the use of social media, imagine if the Kin was successful and everyone was stuck to their screen even more than they are now, flicking on whatever social media content in front of them.

[@HappyDrunkGamer]

Its crazy but I have never thought about how "hand me down"/previous gen phones could impact the sales of a new platform, as you rightly pointed out by the time this launched parents or older siblings would have been looking at getting a new iPhone or Android phone resulting in them being handed down to younger teens etc, but also the 2nd hand market most likely getting bigger and more affordable as well. It would have been interesting to see how this phone would have done if it had launched in 2009 and not 2010.

[@510marlon]

The only reason it failed it is because it was not running an M1 chip like the mac mini’s and other main stream devices. Honestly, I do agree with you everything that does not have an M1 chip is doom to fail. Great video. This channel has brought me so much entertainment on a daily basis. Thanks for existing

[@juliancumps8526]

Hey Quinn? should I buy the ARM MacBook Air when it comes out or wait for the MacBook Pro? (for a new school laptop)

[@jbionic]

At least they were trying to make a unique device and experience, I’ll give them that.

[@Sk0gg1es]

Windows Phone 8 had the social media integration, and I loved having both my Twitter and Facebook feeds easily accessible in one place. Never knew that the idea originated with the Kin.

[@Tecnologik]

I had a Kin growing up. I loved how it looked and I thought Zune was cool. But I could help feeling defensive or embarrassed to own one when a bunch of the other kids in school were getting Android and iPhones.

[@RoniaProductions]

Found my Zune the other day, just needing the cord so I can check out the files

[@archlinuxrussian]

The unsold inventory and poor management and launch remind me of the HP Veer and HP Pre 3 :) I bought an HP Pre 3 AT&T from that "unsold inventory" off ebay way back when and it was a very good phone imho. It was my daily driver for a few years before it lost email support and slowly became too old :(

[@Pasi123]

Windows Phone 7 was CE based too

[@rogerwilco2]

I was in the market for a new smartphone around that time, and I have never even heard of this thing.

[@iCarlyfan4534]

I had barely any idea these existed, I wasnt old enough to have a phone when these came out but I remember the Droid commercials blowing my mind

[@huemungus69]

"Project Pink" sounds like something you would find behind the squeaky saloon style doors at Family Video...

[@neerkum5428]

0:40 it's like he's excited, angry and constipated all at the same time

[@MrRodrigo1250]

The big problem in my opinion: most part of the products like zune and Kin, were available only in US, where apple is really strong, they should made it available in markets where they were strong in sales, like South America, India.... With free space to grow up.

[@Ghostwolfpro]

Verizon's pricing is the only reason I never bought the Kin. Eventually I got a Windows phone via AT&T. I daily drove a windows phone until they stopped making them and my last one was having issues and had to be replaced.

[@Omarfx007]

The closest thing to a Zune Phone is the Zurface Duo

[@yomi001]

Hey Quinn. Very nice video with lots of info. I had never even heard of the Microsoft Kin. I appreciate original content like this. More please. :-)

[@armandCodes]

Can't believe I never saw this cannel before, you're amazing, thanks for your effort!

[@D4RKV3NOM]

Hey snazzy just wanted to say that I adore your content and your unique way of entertaining the hell out of me :') keep up the good work, you are imo the most underated tech content creator and I wish you the best in life and in your work life

[@D4RKV3NOM]

@Snazzy Labs

[@TheHatMan69]

It's not a Zune phone. That was legit on the plate but it was scrapped.

[@MattDaddyPrime]

I worked for T-Mobile at the time the Kin came out. The handset being a VZW exclusive felt like dodging a bullet.

[@Incidental104]

9:04 If Microsoft scaled this down and tweaked a bit, they would have a very competitive alternative to WearOS and Tizen (since WearOS is utter crap and Tizen has some weaknesses like Bixby and choice of watches) although I don't think it will be on Watch OS level at least at launch

[@CleatSurfer]

I liked Windows Mobile and wrote apps using SQL Server Compact Edition. My skills didn't transfer to Windows Phone which was a different architecture and didn't store data locally. Anyway, I must say that as a phone I loved it and the straight-forward organization still influences how I organize my Android and iOS devices.

[@NOTSparkyPants]

I remember the lack of calculator being the butt of so many jokes back when this phone was coming out. Apple was stepping into the next generation of phones and Microsoft failed to get the basics right. It’s a shame too, a smartphone world with Microsoft as a strong contender would have been really interesting

[@HueMannKind]

Yah! I had and used the Kin One M phone for a while in high school and college. My friends called it a “Bannana Phone” 😂😂 It was the only phone I could find that could connect to WiFi but DIDN’T need a data plan. I scoured the internet till I found a used one. Loved hearing the history of it! Great video!

[@luckybob04]

I was in my 20s at the time, but I still wanted a Kin 1 pretty badly. It was just a cool looking device. The lack of a calendar app and contact syncing did dissuade me, but not as much as the exorbitant prices Verizon was charging for data plans.

[@cinilaknedalm]

Second generation Zune 80 and 120gb was ahead of competing iPod at the time. Way larger screen, navigation was great, also battery time

[@AllenStanten]

Great overview I remembered some but really the shear domino of bad decisions is striking when you look back at it!

[@zynan]

Great retrospective. The Zune was awesome. If the Kin would have been a Zune plus a phone plus an internet communicator, running the Zune software, I think it would have been a success, providing that it launched in that Year 1 timeframe, not Year 3.

[@imnotafurry9117]

Sharp, the people who made kin now make calculators.

[@grahamlive]

Sharp made calculators way before this. Since at least the 1980s. They also have made many many other products.

[@mhaustria]

looks like a HP Veer - still have mine :) Honestly I like the quality of Microsoft hardware a lot. they build great quality stuff. But the biggest issue is that you never can be sure how long it will exist...

[@CptKillJack]

Could you imagine a Microsoft Phone at the time based on the Zune HD with all the music prowess capability and its Interface. This is what I had hoped for. I loved and still do my Zune HD.

[@BrianPhillipsSKS]

I had a Kin TwoM. It was the only Verizon phone you could buy that had Wifi but you could use with a regular non-data plan. This was amazing at the time because most kids didn't have data plans at the time.

[@coffeevie]

I still want one of these to collect but one of the only ones I saw recently was selling for $200+ and I just can’t bring myself to spend that much on what is essentially a paperweight

[@forgedsledge]

Zune needs a revival, but not as a music device or media device... In fact, not as a device at all. Zune needs to be the name of Microsoft's all-in-one media app. Zune should stream music, movies, TV shows, pre-recorded user-generated content (Ala KZbin), podcasts and live steaming. Honestly, users would flock to an app that could do it all. This would also mean that the Surface team at Microsoft should strongly consider developing a phone to showcase the new app in all it's glory.

[@ChrisKJr]

The Kin-Two was a great phone. They released an update that added calculator support, better online browsing, and some messaging fixes including video and image messaging. That was about 6 months to a year after release. Unfortunately, it was too-little-too-late for most people. There were reports of a large stock just sitting in distribution centers of KIN phones that couldn't sell, so Microsoft handed the reins over to Verizon, including the SDK, shutdown KIN Studio and Verizon made a new build that removed KIN Studio support and the need for a "smart phone" plan by nixing features. Then they re-released it as the "KIN ONEm" and "KIN TWOm", and forced the rest of us to update to that build, it sucked... It wasn't long after that, that Microsoft released Windows Phone 7... I Stuck with Microsoft through Mobile 6.5, KIN TWO, Windows Phone 7, Phone 7.8, Phone 8, and Phone 10 (Usually HTC or Lumia series)... But then had to switch to Samsung's Note flagship phones (S7, S8, and now S10+) and installed Microsoft Launcher for Android... I really miss the Windows phones, every last one of them!

[@Jiusonium]

I'm always shocked about the incredibly expensive mobile plans in the US. I live in Finland, and we have no roaming charges inside the Finnish border, and I pay less than 20 dollars a month for an unlimited data, texts and phone calls

[@josearvizu2798]

The original Zune video was the reason I joined this channel. Even if don't use Apple products at all, this channel makes amazing content.

[@snazzy]

Thanks, Jose!

[@TheLucidLuxray]

Can you do a flashback to the Palm Centro? I think my first smartphone deserves a look.

[@Addakhel]

What a great video man! Finally an interesting, not a Mac tips and tricks video :P

[@tyler3201]

The Zune was actually kind of cool, but mine went thru the wash and I never bought another, didn't even realized they failed and stopped selling lol.

[@TheGamersTag1]

This is also partly the reason why the red ring of death was such a big deal for the Xbox 360. Microsoft pulled away key engineers to work on the zune. This lead to a rushed 360 launch and tens of millions of dead consoles

[@gjamiejmz]

Verizon tried to have clients pay $30 for Data on the Kin phone back 2010. The phone lasted about a month. How do I know? I worked for Verizon Wireless at that time .

[@snazzy]

Yeah, I also said this in the video 😉

[@kenjifox4264]

4:05 they're using Steelcase Think chairs. Nice.

[@rckoenes]

Do you know about the Neonode N2? This is even older all these device, touch screen and swipe to unlock

[@TalesOfWar]

The BIGGEST single failure point of the whole Zune thing was trying to compete with the INTERNATIONALLY available iPod by selling it in only... The USA and Canada. The Zune HD didn't even sell in Canada. You can't compete if you're not in the market, and they just simply, and literally weren't in it for all intents and purposes. Apple also had MobileMe that did a lot of what the cloud syncing of contacts etc did and pre-dated iCloud (and this device) by a few years. It also included things like Find my iPhone. This thing also really sums up Microsoft. A company with amazing people and amazing ideas, but one that sucks at implementation and execution, usually because far too many people are involved in the process who have to be kept happy.

[@CommodoreFan64]

I remember CNBC talking about this disaster as a blow for Microsoft, and Verizon Wireless, plus the failure of this was all over the YT tech world at the time

[@happygilmore2100]

Can you do a video of what the ipaq pda’s can be used for now or if android or other os can be loaded on it.

[@Danny-wv8ec]

So the Zune and the Kin failed because of bad timing. What’s next on the menu Snazzy? Great video btw.

[@electricdragon9366]

Windows Mobile, perhaps?

[@xnsound]

Does anyone know what monitors those are behind him?

[@ufopsi]

Will the Kin blend?

[@reptilez13]

You know, I liked the Windows 8 (not 7, tho that was good too) design style to a degree - the issue for me, both on the phone and on the PC was the "force down your throat" approach. Whole plus side of PC and Windows, especially XP and before was customizability and it being pretty open to choice etc. The Win10 thing where I can include riles in the start menu, and then have some stuff on my desktop, some in the Programs list... I like it. Plus I can customize all of it. I just like color I think lol.

[@CtrAltPod]

As of 2021 there has only been one kin come up for sale online...:( I have to settle for a zune in brown

[@TheBrendoTheKing]

Great video. I've always been curious about phone/platform but being a non-VzW user I never had the chance to get one and dive in. Also the corporate politics around this...chefs kiss.