Microsoft’s Game-Changer: NEW Loop Feature to Challenge Notion!

[@ThisWeekinIT]

Thanks for watching! What do you think of Microsoft Loop? Does it stand a chance of challenging Notion?

[@AdamsTaiwan]

I'm trying Loop, it's too slow. I can't get away from OneNote on Desktop and Mobile. It has 10+ years of notes. I like Anytype more than Notion.

[@VIC-20]

Yes, when they add it to Business Basic or the frontline licences.

[@derrickheller6420]

No!

[@joshuahernandez-th6ov]

@@AdamsTaiwan Stop using Windows and start using Linux.

[@joshuahernandez-th6ov]

@@derrickheller6420 Stop using Windows and start using Linux.

[@StevenMichels]

With MS products, its always a question of when they actually roll it out, then when does my IT actually give me access to it. It's tough to get excited about something I might not see for a year or more.

[@joshuahernandez-th6ov]

Stop using Windows and start using Linux.

[@fynn8195]

Very educated comment. Please continue being awesome.@@joshuahernandez-th6ov

[@mickaelnjiki]

Can’t agree more

[@koenignero]

I would be a big Loop fan if they would open it up to private accounts as well

[@beardenbob6567]

If something like database integration really happens, I hope it's not yet another independent, DB silo, but rather leverages something existing like SharePoint lists or even Dataverse (or both 🙂)

[@ThisWeekinIT]

Looking at what they have so far, I believe it's likely to be based either on something they are building out specifically for Loop or on something that already exists in Microsoft 365/Azure. I don't believe it will be a database silo. Let's hope anyway.

[@BrianPearcy]

I want to like Loop but it's a bad half baked product. Loop tasks won't sync to To-Do, inserting a loop component in OneNote doesn't work, and loop components are just links in the native version of Outlook. I've given up on trying to use it.

[@barking_mad6649]

Loop does sync with Todo. Least it does for me.

[@ChrisPollard]

The biggest issue for actual wider adoption is that you can't share or LOOP IN people from outside of your organization! There has been an active thread in their support page asking for this feature that Microsoft keeps responding to every 3-4 months saying it's "in the works" and "coming soon." It seems to be coming about as soon as cold fusion power reactors. I've tried to get excited about Loop, I can see a TON of actually useful benefits in business use, but when it's siloed to only people within your organization ... it isn't much of a collaboration tool. And I don't understand the holdup, because they already allow sharing outside your organization from OneDrive and SharePoint ... why can't they use the same concept for Loop sharing? Makes me crazy when they knee-cap something useful like this.

[@joshuahernandez-th6ov]

Stop using Windows and start using Linux.

[@iTriguy1]

@@joshuahernandez-th6ovThat is irrelevant, Loop is a web based application and works pretty much anywhere. Whether you like it or not is one thing but Linux vs Windows isn’t an argument in this casel

[@ChrisPollard]

@@joshuahernandez-th6ov you obviously aren't working in a business environment. I love Linux. I'm typing on it right now from my home theatre linux box. But the rest of the hosue is on Windows because that's what gets the job done for the people using it. I have a linux laptop at work that I use for investigating suspicious emails that could be malicious. But our corporation runs on Windows. I'm still a fan of linux where it makes sense though. Just yesterday I pushed out the very first Linux PC for public access at our library, using a locked down guest session account that resets itself on every logout. My Android phones ... linux. Web servers ... linux. Handful of Chromebooks ... linux. Love it. Amazing OS. Still completely irrelevant to a discussion about Microsoft Loop.

[@AlanHill]

I'd love to see Power Automate integrated much deeper, and combined with adding database support it really could be amazing. They also need to add a free tier, the fact that Notion allows you use it for free is great for hooking people in,

[@ThisWeekinIT]

I also think a free tier is important. I guess that won’t come until the product is more fully fleshed out.

[@DuaneAlleman]

I want to love Loop - but my years as a SharePoint Architect/Admin - the lack of enterprise data control makes it very challenging to advocate. So many parts are tied to personal OneDrive storage and in our current market there is a lot of churn - which causes this info to possibly get lost when OneDrive files go away. MS makes it easy from user perspective to use without knowing or thinking about where to save, etc. - but that causes friction when dealing with thousands of team members around the globe for larger enterprises. Great content and appreciate the video - hoping MS can make it a little easier to manage from the enterprise sooner rather than later..

[@ThisWeekinIT]

Thanks for watching and a great point! I guess Loop is aimed at smaller orgs and teams but nevertheless, it will be interesting to see if Microsoft addresses the problems you’ve highlighted.

[@beachview001]

I still use onenote and I like to use apple pencil to take quick notes. Loop appears not to have an easy way to use apple pencil. I can use scribble its not easy and very slow needing many corrections. Will Microsoft be improving the ink or pencil options in Loop? I would like some day to convert all my onenote pages to Loop pages. Currently this is only possible one page at a time. Do you know will there be a batch conversion option some time down the line?

[@Coatsey007]

Great video, thank you, nobody is talking about the Achilles heel, if your mobile and don’t have access to Internet, unlike OneNote or Apple notes to name just a few, it’s completely unusable.

[@joshuahernandez-th6ov]

stop using Windows and start using Linux.

[@justinmobile8112]

I don't really get the attraction other than note taking but then I'd also want it to understand mermaid diagrams. The database thing could be interesting providing they don't lock it to dataverse. I suspect Notion has more integration capabilities too so it can receive webhook payloads from other services.

[@RobMata]

I would switch from OneNote if pen/handwriting support is introduced. Other than that..nice roadmap so far

[@joshuahernandez-th6ov]

Stop using Windows and start using Linux.

[@RobMata]

@@joshuahernandez-th6ov nah. Garbage

[@jeisonsanchez4842]

I like what Loop is trying to do but I don’t feel comfortable using it in production until they add some export features: Markdown, MS Word, PDF, etc. - not just from individual pages but also from workspaces.

[@ThisWeekinIT]

Great point

[@shannster10000]

Can you backup Loop like one should the rest of M365? I want to use it for documenting company processes, but scared to do so if it’s not backed up…

[@ThisWeekinIT]

Loop components are just files in OneDrive. So, I don't see why you wouldn't treat them the same as any other document stored in OneDrive.

If they implement the database in Dataverse, they win the game. Look at Project and now the new flavor of Planner. Hope they do that!

[@RagnarVonLodbrok]

Loop components are the OLE objects for the web. And today's performance is horrendous. Sometimes it freezes and the UX behaviour does not feel natural.

[@RagnarVonLodbrok]

PS: i have the feeling Microsoft is also not convinced themselves. It is often ignored in there b2b presentations. Loop is an experiment and demo of the framework, not a replacement for other solutions.

[@joshuahernandez-th6ov]

Stop using Windows and start using Linux.

[@tspmcfarlane]

Reslly useful and insightful information. Thanks!

[@ThisWeekinIT]

Thanks!

[@ArnauViaM]

I would love to use loop to share documents, meeting agenda and tasks with my retail customers, so that they have the full history of interactions and documents, but microsoft hasn't released the option to share workspaces with third parties, has it?

[@ThisWeekinIT]

No, I don’t think so at the moment.

[@tobiasjreichert]

Loop still has lots of kinks to work out… my team tries to use it, but you can’t add someone to a workspace as view-only. They get full edit access. A huge miss. Plus if someone just LOOKS at a template on a page, it wipes out all the content on that page. Terrible. I want to like it, but it’s quite lacking still. Felt like it was gonna be the next big thing, then all the AI-hype stole its budget.

[@joshuahernandez-th6ov]

Stop using Windows and start using Linux.

[@issiewizzie]

I suspect the database functionality will be another premium product

[@sbmasonator]

There are still a lot of things missing. Databases are a very important feature for sure, but it really needs better page embedding, page templates, etc to really compete…

[@joshuahernandez-th6ov]

Stop using Windows and start using Linux.

[@kacaus]

Database and offline feature please

[@joshuahernandez-th6ov]

Stop using Windows and start using Linux.

[@gaetanroy2187]

Will we be able to have calendar view ?

[@joshuahernandez-th6ov]

Stop using Windows and start using Linux.

[@christophersterns2450]

What about handwritten notes?

[@ThisWeekinIT]

Don't think that's likely to come any time soon. But who knows....

[@mikeeomega]

Haven't tried Loop, but I'm interested in the product... I'm not a fan of slowNotion.

[@joshuahernandez-th6ov]

stop using Windows and start using Linux.

[@ichwilleswissen1376]

Since our company runs um MS365, I would love to like Loop. But there are still so many flaws. Not database feature, no view only on pages, when a person leaves the company the workspace goes with them. Countless things. Also no real integration with TEAMS and other MS apps. One thing I don’t understand with Microsoft products is that they offen seem to developed as stand alone products. While the power of Microsoft should be to work towards a Work OS

[@joshuahernandez-th6ov]

Stop using Windows and start using Linux.

[@danieljackman3577]

database functionality would make me switch from notion

[@richkirschenbaum6957]

Notion is also available from Android. Nothing will challenge Notion that doesn't run on a Mobile platform.

[@LeviJay]

Great video. Do you think they will retire in favor of Loop one day?

[@loganlandonline]

mac desktop app plz

[@GshermanG]

Once u say loop doesn’t have a database feature, I stop to watch😂😂😂

[@ThisWeekinIT]

Lol. Microsoft is working on it.

[@markc6714]

Nobody cares about the database feature. Everyone is screaming for the ability to share outside your organisation so projects with consultants can be effectively managed together

[@n9wox]

I'm sure some people care. Otherwise, MS wouldn't add the feature that Notion already has and people use.

[@sbmasonator]

That’s not true - the major thing stopping my company from shifting our entire Notion workflow set to Loop is the lack of databases in Loop

[@Enu_Vibe]

Obviously you ignorant. And that is ok.

[@gailpowell9131]

Many care! Lack of databases has made Loop a no-go as a Notion replacement. Notion’s release of databases is what launched its major success, as its functionality improved greatly.

[@gailpowell9131]

Many, many care! Lack of databases has made Loop a no-go as a Notion replacement for many, whether for personal or professional use. Notion’s release of databases is what launched its major success, as its functionality improved greatly.

[@fabiankeppler315]

Database function is NOT upcoming, please point to a source if it is. Using a product because the IF, PROBABLY or MAYBE has proven not to be the smart option

[@alexsmedile]

How in the world do they make apps and not have a roadmap?! where is people spending money on?!

[@joshuahernandez-th6ov]

Stop using Windows and start using Linux.

[@ThisWeekinIT]

I'm sure there is a roadmap. It's just not publicly available like most other M365 apps.

[@ThisWeekinIT]

Loop has got nothing to do with Windows. Linux users get to use Loop too.

[@gwmkwan]

Loop is a water-down version of Notion

[@riturria]

Normalmente tengo la impresión que los productos de MS están en estado BETA, o están pseudoconectados con las demas aplicaciones, no cumplen las necesidades actuales o definitivamente obsoletos. Normally I have the impression that MS products are in a BETA state, or are pseudo-connected with other applications, do not meet current needs or are definitely obsolete.

[@benjikauth]

Lame headline. No games are changed at this point. 10 minute video that should have been 5 tops. Doing it for the algorithm instead of the audience. Meh.

[@joshuahernandez-th6ov]

It is lame 😒.

[@christirol05]

Subscribed

[@dbreardon]

It's been out for almost 3 years and it still seems a pretty rudimentary program

[@conchurodonnchu1715]

Comparing loop to Notion should be illegal! Notion is leaps and bounds ahead of Loop. MS are now trying to release a new Planner and that also falls behind Notion.

[@joshuahernandez-th6ov]

There’s a future possibility that Linux will become the dominant PCs in the not too distant future. The rise of Linux will dethrone Windows era.

[@ThisWeekinIT]

Except that that won’t happen. Not sure what Linux has got to do with Loop.

[@joshuahernandez-th6ov]

@@ThisWeekinITit will happen. Linux golden age is coming.

[@ThisWeekinIT]

@@joshuahernandez-th6ov still nothing to do with Loop.

[@Qalmes]

Smartsheet and Jira are better

[@othername2428]

* if you prefer ducttape solutions.

[@ThisWeekinIT]

What do you mean? Are Smartsheet and Jira not as good as everyone claims?

[@BryanMull]

SmartSheet is the worst app I have ever used. It makes people crimson with anger as it’s nothing more than google sheets with a few extras. Anything but smart

[@joshuahernandez-th6ov]

Everyone is moving to Linux. Linux golden age is coming.

[@DavidROliver]

Yes it's called Android!🤣

[@JorgePisagutierrez]

The worst video i've ever seen in youtube! It's a Ridiculuos comparisson...

[@othername2428]

wow I bet you're real popular at all the parties you never get invited to...

[@ThisWeekinIT]

Lol, the worst? I’ve seen much worse. It’s not a ridiculous comparison.