Microsoft’s New Computer Stinks

[@lukasgruber1280]

3... 2... 1.... discontinued

[@Not_interestEd-]

And promptly jailbroken to run Linux.

[@MegaManNeo]

I mean... ThinClients existed before already. Nothing too fancy, except this time Windows is a subscription.

[@howardlam6181]

@@Not_interestEd- where do you even get the drivers and buildtool for linux

[@RaneKunLovesNightcore]

Like seriously, I really wanna know, who on earth will be buying this!? This is worser decision than Apple Vison Pro...

[@joshshowman8711]

@@Not_interestEd- crazy thing is, you can spend 75 more for a minisforum UM690S with 32GB of ram and 1tb ssd

[@Supersurfer12]

If this was free, I still wouldn't get one.....

[@marekstanek112]

Why? You can install a terminal server with storage on a RAID, and make an extremely safe and secure environment for your whole family. The point is it doesn't matter if you forget a dirt-cheap terminal at a hotel room in Bahrain, because it's completely useless and worthless to anyone but you. The problem is they sell the terminal at cca 25 times the price they should put on it.

[@utkarsharora5329]

@@marekstanek112 still not worth the pain probably get a cheap refurbished pc instead

[@SaHaRaSquad]

@@marekstanek112 Ok but in a hotel you'd have a laptop, not a gadget that needs 3+ periphery devices to be usable.

[@noticing33]

Frrrr

[@-xnnybimb-9398]

@@marekstanek112nobody reading allat 😹✌️

[@deheiligebron]

you killed me here: we started with the shape of the new Mac mini, and than ... gave up.

[@RaneKunLovesNightcore]

hahahaha same XD

[@GermanCodeMonkey]

Couldn't contain a loud laugh too 😀

[@HearMeLearn]

bro literally I was fucking dying when he delivered that line

[@bobpeters61]

Somehow, that does seem like an appropriate form factor for a thin client.

[@musicalhistory4392]

Ironically the one time a Mac Mini or Apple TV should be the design reference.

[@absolutetuber]

The Kensington lock isn’t to discourage theft. It’s to prevent you from yeating it out the window.

[@mkq504]

Made my day, sir

[@klitibehluli9976]

I mean, who even wants to steal this thing

[@monchiabbad]

You mean so it will bounce back and not hit others when you eventually yeet it at the microsoft representative that sold you on it.

[@priyanshunishad7402]

😂

[@eatcarpet]

They should just give that away with every 365 subscription.

[@TK_1529]

That would actually make it a good deal

[@MegaManNeo]

Microsoft could sell a shitload of 365 subscriptions to companies alone that way, I tell you that.

[@marekstanek112]

Would make sense. So, keep dreaming.

[@kirby21-xz4rx]

That's actually a very good idea you should work with them 😂

[@mrN3w7]

They were thinking exactly the same... and did just that. They give it away to you for just 350 or so... with every subscription.

[@TheBlargMarg]

slowly moving into the "You pay a subscription fee to use a computer" ecosystem.

[@aquariandawn4750]

Disgusting, ain't it?

[@francisverhelst9375]

Well this will be the final push Linux needs

[@fex144]

@@francisverhelst9375 "Recall 24H2" Did it for me. Linux Mint + Proton for the games.

[@1stCallipostle]

​@@francisverhelst9375Still never physically witnessed Linux be used Firmly believe it's a myth like the fountain of youth and we're just talking up theory

[@rocketmunkey1]

If that day ever comes I'm going outside to touch some grass, then down the pub with my mates for a few drinks, and then maybe a spot of revolution !

[@notCAMD]

"You will own nothing and be happy"

[@miki_9034]

We can't even own a PDF file 😭

[@LDam-pf6lx]

Ida Auken will never live that one down :P

[@miki_9034]

@@LDam-pf6lx *Ida whooo?*

[@aquariandawn4750]

You vill eat zee bugs!

[@oseaghin]

Yup, and it's sad that Sam missed this in his comedic assessment. He was way off the mark.

[@ronch550]

It's a POS terminal. And no it doesn't stand for Point of Sale.

[@benonaru]

🤮no

[@MichaelChin1994]

Damn. That was really fucking clever 🤣

[@PixelSubstream]

I'd definitely say the situation is becoming terminal

[@mad_circuits]

Pile Of Sh...

[@c0d3warrior]

Uuuhhhhh 🤣

[@burgor346]

Microsoft was onto absolutely Nothing with this

[@miki_9034]

I only see corporates buying these as an office pc.

[@FreelancerND]

Nah, this is basically a thin client for corporate. Been using those (but from HP or Lenovo) for years already. It's not meant for home users, it's for a standard office workplace where you are not tied to a specific physical desk and can use any available, the rest is on the server side.

[@gagaplex]

@@FreelancerND It's quite odd how expensive it is for just that purpose, though.

[@burgor346]

@@FreelancerND true

[@FreelancerND]

@@gagaplex I do not understand why they even decided to promote that shit and who was that bright fella who thought that it's a good idea to sell thin client as an appliance to already shitty idea of Microsoft 365 😁 So their pricing is not the most concerning thing...

[@socialvideoplaza]

TPM? Secure boot? Bitlocker drive encryption? Hypervisor code integrity? Windows defender? Why? Nothing is stored on the computer!

[@blisphul8084]

They just don't want you repurposing it. They really don't want people playing snes games on it.

[@nomoredlc593]

@@blisphul8084 that´s just a challenge for hackers

[@CTSFanSam]

Seems it doesn't really need a power switch.

[@daanmageddon]

Exactly my thoughts. Sounds like a lot of marketing to make it sound like it does cool things, which it doesn't. Its just the thin client equivalent for the cloud, their cloud.

[@Äpple-pie-5k]

"Why? Nothing is stored on the computer!" -- To make sure it STAYS that way. We don't want people getting out of their subscriptions ! 💰

[@umutcakmak3221]

I wouldn't even watch this if it wasn't for Sam. That's how unnecessary this product is.

[@RaneKunLovesNightcore]

Exactly

[@pauldwalker]

i subbed because Sam gives a short, succinct and true review of these new devices.

[@1GladysMm00-x8i]

Sam, you got it exactly right. Additionally, this "Computer" costs $350. On Amazon, you can really purchase a mini-PC with 500GB SSD, 16GB RAM, and complete upgradeability for the same price. Why would a rational person purchase this nonsense?

[@fablewalls]

You'll see this in your office on your desk if you work for any large corporation (Shell / Texaco / BP / Government agencies etc). Microsoft KNOW their biggest customers and it isn't ordinary consumers like you and me.

[@Maddin1313]

Just put all your data on our cloud, we promise we can't read it ;)

[@adamcravets5408]

Almost guaranteed buried somewhere in the terms and conditions it says “all information stored on our servers is our propriety information.” Or something similar.

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

@@adamcravets5408 Oh, and they will also try to decrypt whatever data you put in with any quickly available means.

[@carlgustav7196]

… but our AI can (imagine Sam’s voice here) 😊

[@udasai]

I drew a monke NFT with this and then Microsoft seized my $hitcoins. How can I make an honest living any more??

[@somuchfortalent]

Fantastic. Another product no one asked for.

[@trevortiernan8510]

Tbf, it’s a decent idea for cloud pc. But the price tag. Ugh.

[@janvrabec3401]

Cloud pc? LOL LOL LOL??? My phone run chip more powerful that this crap ever will. Cloud pc? I don't even wana cloud for my CAD. Nobody does lol.

[@zee-fr5kw]

companies asked for it, to many dimwits who can't use a computer

[@adre2194]

This is called a thin client. They are in fact frequently used by enterprises and very much in demand.

[@Hiltibold]

the return of the infamous "net pc" 🙃

[@MegaManNeo]

More like ThinClient that can be used by normies who run no server or Windows Enterprise at home.

[@p.c.n.b.6112]

Those things didn't come with monitor and keyboard?

[@blisphul8084]

This thing should have cost $25. That's the most it's worth.

[@JeffreyPiatt]

It's aimed at competing with Dell Wyse thin Clients

[@OceanusHelios]

@@MegaManNeo Normies? In which universe is that normal? It's like asking for corporate abuse and trying to be happy about it. Might as well just pick up McDonald's as a religion.

[@godswillak]

"Well we couldn't have done it with the XBox One, we'd be out of business" So true. I genuinely laughed at that one 👌😂😂

[@godswillak]

Time stamp 2:19

[@kirby21-xz4rx]

Actually not, a full cloud Xbox would seem like crazy and be a good idea as a option for way cheaper then the Xbox of course

[@LegnaiaUnderground]

​@@kirby21-xz4rxThe gag was referring to selling the hardware at the same price as the number in its name. So, selling the Xbox One that way would have been basically giving it away for free, at 1 $.

[@777idkineedausername]

360, anyone?

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

​@kirby21-xz4rx it's called the Amazon firestick, or a Samsung TV, or a smartphone. Cloud Xbox has been here since like 2018

[@Jayden-lr2mm]

Microsoft putting the power button on the front is the only thing I got out of their version of Mac Mini

[@nyff83]

So basically a fancy, locked down thin client?

[@asagiai4965]

Or your router with added feature?

[@darrenfalconer3267]

No fancier and all thin clients are locled down. My take from this, it's a thin client for home use. I don't think it's a dumb idea, just not sure if it's a good idea.

[@nuribayram6740]

@@darrenfalconer3267 its not dumb because they will force people to use it while selling it to companies, but we know for sure that everyone will hate it, same with Citrix clients

[@meaningfuldebate]

The security features cost more than the pc itself and or the most valuable parts of the pc.

[@kirby21-xz4rx]

Yeah though all thin clients are "locked"

[@abef896]

Something is really wrong with the people at Microsoft these days....first withe the "recall" feature and then this...

[@kenamreemas3295]

Too many yes men in c suite i guess.

[@Drak_Thedp]

Should've been recalling Windows 11...

[@wishiwasaneet26816]

To play the devil's advocate for a bit, this does not look like a consumer product. It is geared more toward enterprise use cases, where having thin clients like this more common. This could be quite handy for an office with no assigned seats, and people wouldn't have to lug their laptops throughout their commute because they just connect to their Cloud PC or AVD. Depends on how well the hardware holds out, especially the compatibility with peripherics.

[@matthewjackman8410]

@@wishiwasaneet26816 I agree to an extent but I work in one of the environments you're talking about, running about 6000 Windows devices and while this makes a lot more sense there, we've had tools for hotdesking for decades. Any combination of Active Directory, File Shares, Config Manager (SCCM), Endpoint Manager (InTune) and loads of 3rd party stuff too I know hosting your own infrastructure has fallen out of favour with some people these days but the tools are ,and have basically always been, there. I will say if they heavily subsidised the price for enterprise customers invested in the 365 ecosystem to the point where it was substantially cheaper than a low end enterprise PC in bulk I'd agree but the price seems way too steep. Get these to about 100 quid per subscription or even better, free with the subscription and I'll be far more interested. And to anyone who remembers the multiple time thin client has been tried in enterprise, we're not holding out much hope it will work as advertised.

[@askeladden450]

​@@wishiwasaneet26816that is quite a bit of a stetch case tbh. A laptop doesnt even weigh much these days. Its like a thin stack of paper.

[@rocketmunkey1]

Apple "We're the most evil company in the world" MS "Hold my beer"

[@keithframe3489]

Nestle: look what they need to mimic a fraction of our evil

[@rocketmunkey1]

@@keithframe3489 Yes indeed the ingestible product industries are on another level !

[@kirby21-xz4rx]

Wdym? Apple is worse Microsoft actually has done a buttload of good things for gamers and business 😂

[@dtango3531]

Tbh the only evil things about apple (excluding business practices) are the pricing and ram + storage stingyness

[@aquaponieee]

@@kirby21-xz4rx Microsoft is just as bad, if not worse, than Apple. All they did was monopolize the PC market using anticompetitive strategies. Nothing they've done since 2012 has benefited gamers or businesses, the tech industry would've been way better had they not existed. In the past, they did many of the same things Apple is infamous for, but also did things far worse. Microsoft does not care about the user. they have given up on the consumer market. The Microsoft ecosystem is dead. Windows Phone is dead, Cortana is dead, Surface is dying and Windows 11 was not designed with the end user in mind. Their only focus is selling cloud and AI crap to businesses. Cloud and AI is what they are now, businesses are their sole customer, they do not care about us. The Windows 365 Link thing is a reflection of this. This product's sole purpose is to sell cloud and AI to businesses. They've cancelled their consumer-focused Windows and Surface projects to focus on cloud and AI. They know that no matter how much they neglect Windows, people will keep using it because they have no choice. They can do whatever tf they want, they'll still be the only option. And the only thing they care about is getting as much money off of it.

[@Rabenov-wq8qy2qg5t]

Kensington lock??? Who would steal such a piece of ...

[@miki_9034]

Someone with a wobbly furniture might find this useful.

[@lawrencemanning]

It would also make a good doorstep for a cat flap.

[@Rabenov-wq8qy2qg5t]

@@miki_9034 😅🤣😂

[@JustherefortheLOLZ]

What, are you kidding? IT policy dictates a Kensington lock on every asset. Who else is this aimed at but the drones?

[@thereluctanthipster6075]

It's to keep people from flinging it out the window when the one server running one million virtual machines can't load powershell.

[@dykodesigns]

This thingy is just a thin client Citrix box specially engineered for use in council offices. These things have been around for years. Basically a modern take on the dumb terminal.

[@kirby21-xz4rx]

Exactly some people wouldn't get that 😂

[@TrainHeartnet2572]

Exactly! Why did I have to look so long to find this comment?

[@creandomentes]

Right, the problem is that now we need to pay for a dumb terminal...

[@КонстантинПономаренко-я7я]

Dumb terminal would be able to connect somewhere you want. This thing connects only to overpriced 365 servers.

[@abe9560]

Citrix is just atrocious... horrible

[@setsunaes]

"We eliminated the threat of malware, eliminating the capability to install any software at all or using the hard disk"

[@justin6581]

“I cut off all of my limbs, in order to lose weight”

[@PavelBukarev]

2:42 - I'll take your entire stock

[@rutgerhoutdijk3547]

This is nightmare fuel, you have to login to use your own computer, then you get spied on by Recall, and you can't even run your own software.

[@n8n8n8n]

If they want users to pay for using their "cloud" they should send them these mini "PCs" for free.

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

Like providers do with their crappy routers already.

[@vueport99]

Calling it a PC is a total joke

[@aquaponieee]

@@vueport99 is it still a "Personal" Computer if it's actually someone else's computer you're paying monthly to access

[@n8n8n8n]

@@vueport99 Calling it a PC is like calling Apple the Tech company.

[@kcuflaerehte8994]

This isn't for us, this is for petty cheapster employers to give to their employees

[@rechiecanonigo3800]

Which part of it is cheap? The hardware is over $300 plus around $30 subscription per month. So if you use this in 3 years you can buy about 2-3pcs m4 mac mini that’s at least 5x more powerful and can be use with or without internet.

[@bobdaniels3692]

@@rechiecanonigo3800 It cheaper for corporations because they spend at minimum $600 for the cheapest hardware but they are already in microsoft ecosystem so they are trying to grab market share from the other pc compeitor selling in the enterprise space and it might work

[@kirby21-xz4rx]

​@@rechiecanonigo3800what are you talking about seems like you are uneducated . This is way way cheaper for businesses you have no idea, do you even know how much businesses spend on laptops for a buttload of employees it's more than 340 per employee I'll tell you that 😂

[@kcuflaerehte8994]

@@rechiecanonigo3800 cheap is the part where the end user has absolutely no control over the machine he/she is using and the employer can have full administrative authority of the cloud environment accessed by this little device.

[@drfleka]

Your ignorance is astonishing. If you didn't know, some companies need just this for work. That doesn't mean they are petty and cheap. So why would you spend more money if you don't need to? Those employees are working (if you even know what work is) and not playing games.

[@PlatinAviation]

"Chromebook without a screen and battery" 😂 Without keyboard and mouse as well... the amount of accessories needed to even use this is insane

[@coshvjicujmlqef6047]

Chromebook does not stream shit to the web

[@aquaponieee]

@@coshvjicujmlqef6047 Chromebooks are closer to standard PCs now, they run Android apps and Linux software now

[@peterdixon6807]

Aha the good old dumb terminal is back. I worked for a company in the 1990’s that had those. You could do work on it, and that was it. They’re stealing Apple’s unnovation mantle.

[@marekstanek112]

There are actually a lot of jobs where that makes perfect sense. But the price tag and the way MS markets their DaaS (Desktop-as-a-Service) is totally ... not out of this world, it's out of the universe.

[@tekha1977]

@@marekstanek112I could see this work to some extent in certain OT enviromwnts…….if it wasn’t for the Internet requirement.

[@johnmiller7231]

If a company run apps in the cloud, which is all that you can do using this computer, then all of its documents are stored in servers in America. The American government can order Microsoft to hand over any of this data to themselves. There have been claims in the past that the American government has used such data to help American companies to compete with European companies.

[@zeniktorres4320]

Yes you are right on. Good to see that some people know this. Microsoft works very closely with the US Gov, in practice they are partners.

[@maksimfedoryak]

Much better, if US gov read our data instead of china/iran/russia

[@realfamimation]

I would have never known that this existed if it wasn't for Sam, sooo, thanks?

[@medleysa]

Mac mini: “I have small storage that’s not upgradeable without shelling out a ton of money!” Microsoft: “Hold my beer”

[@LunarMoonKitten]

everything M*crosoft makes is pretty bad that's why i don't use any of M*crosoft's products

[@johnnykeys1978]

there are plenty of folk who will - because thinking is too hard - they need tv to tell them what to think.

[@aquaponieee]

While both Microsoft and Apple do some pretty bad stuff, Microsoft has straight up given up on the consumer market and is rapidly enshittifying Windows and killing off their ecosystem of hardware and services

[@zDqnny]

1:34 "I don't think anybody will be stealing this any time soon" 💀

[@parker73724]

I'm still confused by Microsoft's obsession with cloud for individuals. You end up paying more for the high speed internet needed to use it, the hardware to connect to the cloud, and the ridiculous subscription fees. By the time you're done you've spent more money trying to get cloud technologies to work all for terrible latency and random visual hiccups. I've also noticed that the only individuals that have good enough internet to run cloud home PCs are fairly high wealth and can just afford to buy their own normal computers.

[@Shadow66090]

So basically a thin client. The question is, who would want to have a thin client, connected with his private data straight to a microsoft server?

[@snowSecurityneeded]

Umm companies, end user units that are locked down they can supply their own monitor and screen and can't install anything else on it and can be reused for their work from home options like an alternative to laptops

[@CtrlOptDel]

Thick executives, marketing a thin client, with a fat price tag. Microsoft, putting the “dumb” and “terminal” in “dumb terminal”.

[@AllHandsOnEveryThing]

"Nobody is gonna steal it anytime soon", yes indeed😂

[@mrobe1749]

Straight up a Thin Client for cloud based server setups. Its business hardware at best, and there's reasons most places don't bother buying thin clients when most regular PCs aren't much more expensive and can do a shitload more

[@ragingtyga]

You ever manage a medium to large company? Because it's actually the exact opposite of what you said. Do you want to hire an army of IT admins to manage thousands of devices and logins? Or simply deploy a VDI manged by just a couple of people, that can deploy to THOUSANDS of devices that you don't have to manage at all, or even upgrade or maintain... That's why this doesn't keep things local. But yes, it's not for most consumers

[@mrobe1749]

@ragingtyga yes, we do. Some still use thin clients, the largest we had under a client was some 125. I don't know how you can say they don't require maintenance or management. Ideally they don't, and I get what you're saying, but overall we don't see a significant difference in support tickets or management "load" between PCs and thin clients. As for users, if you aren't using role based or unique user logins, how do you track usage and network activity? The larger factor for us and our customers is that a thin client regularly costs $1,200 AUD. PCs are often the same cost or cheaper with sales. The larger of our clients have moved away from terminal servers for the most part, though some still use it for monitors or archive applications.

[@MaxPower-11]

This thing is way overpriced. There’s a plethora of mini-pc’s on Amazon available for half the price and twice the specs… oh, and they come with a Windows license already so you don’t have to pay Microsoft $35 a month for Windows in the cloud. This is highway robbery.

[@ragingtyga]

@@MaxPower-11 overpriced to whom though? This probably isn't meant for regular consumers honestly.

[@Benderlaiv]

​@@ragingtyga Last company I worked for only had RDP clients, a workstation to connect to and a NAS. I could work from any room of the company (I was a manager there so I moved alot in different rooms to work), and any RDP client in the building allowed me to log my user. Power consumption was also much lower, we had over 30 terminals, those are things to consider. Not to mention, in 10 years we never needed to do any expensive, or severe maintenance to the clients which is insane, just replace the thing when it stops working. Thing is, you could just use a Raspberry PI like we did instead of this thing, right? Perhaps a bit too tinkery for larger corporations.

[@mithilbhoras5951]

You are unironically the best tech reviewer on YT

[@judewestburner]

Mmm... I used to be a Citrix engineer... In the late 90's early 2000's. We were installing networks of thin client Wyse terminals then! How times have changed!!!

[@dmmgualb]

Ok, it's a thin client, but with a MAJOR difference: this thin client runs on normal (home) internet. When companies use thin clients, they normally access their own server from a local network, that was designed and dimensioned to support the traffic. If the server is remote, the company will have an infrastructure to support it (dedicated link, VPN on multiple internet connections, redundancy, etc). But for a user at home will be like: I can't use Word because it's raining.

[@eddyp483]

Might as well get a raspberry pi 🤷‍♂️

[@jjflash2611]

You nailed it Sam. And $350 for this "Computer". For the same price you can literally get a Mini-PC with 16GB RAM, 500GB SSD and fully upgradable, on Amazon. Why would anyone in their right mind buy this garbage?

[@Blackspidy619]

That's exactly what I looked up "$345? I got a mini pc with twice everything for $339!" 😂😂😂

[@johnnykeys1978]

The same people who would mock you when you predicted this happening many years ago.

[@MichaelDeHaven]

It's almost certainly aimed at corporations, as some sort of MS branded thin client. Because corporations have more money than brains, most of the time. But I don't know if even they are that dumb. Somebody else pointed out they should just give it away with 365 subscriptions to corporations. Or at least subsidize it a lot more to make it a value add. Maybe then they'd have something. But I hope it fails badly. Too much is already owned or run, by too few. This trend needs to stop yesterday.

[@mrkitty777]

Microsoft brainwashing salesmen that enforce it anyway

[@rocketmunkey1]

@@johnnykeys1978 By "the same people" you mean corporate gaslighters, gaslighting their customers into accepting the constant creep of losing their consumer rights.

[@InvasionAnimation]

They can Deactivate the entire system and the entire thing can lag. wow thats dumb. Might even crash if the internet goes out for a second, prompting you to log in again.

[@nutzeeer]

its basically a constant stream. its a streaming stick like an amazone fire tv. just expensive

[@SaHaRaSquad]

@@nutzeeer It's not streaming, it uses O365 web apps. Though if the internet is gone the result is the same.

[@cosmefulanito5933]

If a sentence has the words "security" and "Windows" in it, it's probably a bad joke.

[@yenchey3270]

"Sustainable" and "cloud-powered" do not go together.

[@Khorne_on_the_Kob]

I guess it's just a thin client computer

[@FindecanorNotGmail]

No, it is a thin client computer that you have to pay rent to use.

[@MietoK]

So, back in 80s, 90s and early 00s we got Thin Clients that were something like ~100 dollars. Or totally free if you re-used the old machines. And now we got this peace of s. What a wonderful future we are living in.

[@ManLikeJK]

"I mean we couldn't have done it with the X-Box One, we'll be out of business" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@zamirszn]

How does these products even gets approved

[@somuchfortalent]

They're trying to capture a market by convincing single users and corporations to store their data on their could servers. Once they're in, they're not likely to leave. Apple does the same thing. Rather than convincing people to buy in and stay with a great product and service, they're trying to trap their clients in a net that's harder to escape from than it is to get into it.

[@marekstanek112]

This actually is NOT bad at all. But the price tag on both the terminal AND the DaaS subscription is completely psychedelic and ridiculous. Should be around 1/25th.

[@johnnykeys1978]

it often has something to do with bribes / blackmail / a certain island.

[@Cattack16_]

They should’ve said the discontinuation date too in their long ass keynote 😂😂

[@kutura_P]

Cooked? Yeah. Burnt down the kitchen as well? Yeah.

[@JynxedKoma]

"You will own nothing and be happy." "We will have you prosecuted for anything the state doesn't like and you will be happy."

[@icantcomeupwithnames469]

Isn't capitalism grand?

[@MoonBunnyLovers]

Pay for a useless brick that requires a subscription to function ... They are out of their minds!

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

Its a corporate item, to be distributed to workers in an office setting, with a possibility of them letting workers bring it home to carry on working. Not a consumer item

[@bigboi1004]

Let's evaluate its utility as a thin client: - costs more than other thin clients - you pay for a subscription just to use it, rather than something like a subscription for tech support - specifically runs windows off of Microsoft's servers, rather than being a remote terminal for your own hosted infrastructure. Who is this thing even aimed at?? It's not useful to random people in the public because cheap laptops exist, and it's not useful to enterprises shopping for thin clients because it sucks at being one.

[@TooEasyL2P]

1. It costs less than Dell or Lenovo. And by a lot. 2. A lot of companies use Office 365 and they pay subscription either way. 3. If it's enough what MS is offering there's no reason to host your own servers.

[@Skidamarinkk]

"We started with the shape of a mac mini... and then gave up" Brilliant line

[@GameBacardi]

Is this future what every company is forcing to us ? Rent, subscribe, license, monthly payment, cloud service, you own nothing

[@capnemo6576]

2:10 Name in a price tag ! 🤣🤣🤣👍

[@glaceRaven]

I can see this being useful in, say, airport terminals, libraries, cruise ships, and other public places where they have computers that people can use to access the internet and check their emails and stuff if they don't otherwise have access to a computer, where they naturally don't want random users putting things on the PC. And... that's literally it. And they'd most likely have to buy several of them, _and_ their own keyboards, mice, and monitors, so even if they charged money to use it, they'd be operating at a loss, meaning it's a money pit _even for its highly specific target demographic._

[@penpenpenguin]

The most DOA device to ever be released...and I bought an Xbox.

[@theshadowman1398]

So it’s not a computer but a serverbox. Why the heck would I as a private individual want this crap ?

[@NaudVanDalen]

1:18 or the keyboard or the touchpad or the speakers or the webcam or the microphone.

[@UltimatePerfection]

Making pointless electrotrash like that should be punished by law.

[@deltasource56]

its a dumb terminal for cloud computing for corporate use

[@elbee2324]

Yeah, that would suck for any consumer to use. But in an office environment, a library terminal, remote office set up, it's designed for that. Cheaper than a full PC and probably easier to maintain. With less you can do and a focus on productivity, it's clearly designed for that.

[@tuomashelin555]

I am naming this technology as " P.O.S. computing " - meaning: " Point Of Service computing ". All other connotations of that acronym are equally welcome :)

[@MP-vc4nu]

I thought POS mean Pot Of Shits, because if you fill that box with 💩, it will still be the exact same product….

[@aquaponieee]

lmao, this "technology" has existed since the 90s, Microsoft is just revealing it as the next big thing and putting a huge price tag on it.

[@mike_cluett]

Congrats on over 400k subs!!!! its about time. Lets get Sam to 500K!!!!!

[@DanielVSL]

Oh my, i finally found it. The worst tech product to ever be released.

[@robertlawson7329]

That title goes to the AST Ascentia 950N

[@trews1]

Idk, it is definitely up there, but you know... There is still like the Juicero and these weird AI pin thingies from a couple of months ago among other things. It's a tough competition is what I'm saying

[@arbozaliyan]

We used own games, movies, computers. Wth is going on? You can't even own a computer anymore.

[@RaulNigli]

What a waste of earth's resources. Way to go MS, with your gigantic carbon footprint.

[@Dan-dg9pi]

This is the best channel on the Internet for providing tech information.

[@atlanta2076]

Microsoft NEVER fails to fail! 🤣🤣🤣

[@BunkerSquirrel]

Microsoft innovated so hard they made a Raspberry Pi that does less than a Raspberry Pi.

[@TeleviseGuy]

Imagine soneone installing Linux on it

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

Need to hack it first. I doubt they just let you install anything on it.

[@kcgunesq]

My company tried the whole "Thin Client" approach on a limited basis 15 years ago or so. It was a complete failure. This looks considerably worse.

[@IndianTelephone]

This is definitely equivalent to PlayStation Portal. Its so pointless that its ony useful in very specific scenarios that 99.99% corporates won't even care about.

[@kirby21-xz4rx]

Actually not, your wrong, the PlayStation portal was very highly received in sales and with alot of regular consumers,

[@IndianTelephone]

@kirby21-xz4rx so will this. but doesn't change the fact that it's pointless

[@kirby21-xz4rx]

@@IndianTelephone well you got to look at this from another standpoint so let me ask you this: do you have a idea how much businesses spend on laptops per employee? Once that question lingers in your mind you would see why thin clients would appeal to them

[@Yasashi2588]

That's called a Thin Client and they have been around for a long time. They can be a serious consideration for Corporations to reduce costs and easier central management.

[@Aman_Mondal]

Who the hell is this even for??? Microsoft really wants to speedrun Bankruptcy??? 😂

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

Its for massive corporations that are powered by office cubicles. This saves cost on both hardware and server maintenance. It's not really intended to be a consumer device in the slightest.

[@xCal2011]

@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 People are struggling to understand this, and it's somewhat amusing to see individuals fall all over themselves to lob quips and insults at Microsoft because people won't be able to do much on a device designed for cubicles, terminals, and workstations utilized by numerous people.

[@ToshiOhMy]

Man, what a time to be alive. PCs that don't compute, prices that only go up and, more important: Sam Tucker, from APPLE, needs to work on 2+ jobs...

[@Mindawga]

I mean the one place where this makes sense is for office-like businesses who are rapidly expanding and who need many computers fast. Buying a bunch of these compu-boxes makes more sense than buying a bunch laptops, until you actually look at the price. At this price point, you could buy a ton of elCheapo or used laptops. Since this is windows, the setup time and end result would be about the same. If this was priced at like 120 dollars or sumtng things would be different...

[@ArminSteiner]

Company’s that use special software can not use this at all 🤦‍♂️

[@thereluctanthipster6075]

Well thin clients (which is what this is) are widely used anyway, but I don't understand why. Having used one, a PC running 3.1 could run circles around them. Businesses buy these because they don't understand computers in the slightest and are being scammed into buying e-waste. So the price looks just fine where I'm standing.

[@marekstanek112]

The sad point is what THIS does can be done by a 15$ ChromeStick with a 7$ "docking station" dongle from AliExpress. Or literally any 30$ SBC with xrdp installed.

[@kirby21-xz4rx]

Absolutely 💯

[@Ivaneck_]

Compu-turds. Compu-turds, bundled with AGS/ACO techonology. Always Get Stuck/Always Cutting Off.

[@alanthomasgramont]

A my current contract, we use virtual drives in the cloud. We only connect to it with a computer. For big companies who want to have no local responsibility, this is a great device. I can see plenty of VPs demanding the company switch to using these.

[@deckscomm]

Im gonna lie Microsoft been really innovative lately

[@coryv5679]

There are so many small form factor computers like this already that are actual computers for around the same price... Lenovo and HP have been doing that for years now. You got the Lenovo ThinkCentre M625 right now going for $129 that comes with 8 gigs of ram and a 128gb SSD. It can also be upgraded. They also have the slightly more costly Lenovo ThinkCentre Tiny M60e for $399 which comes with a 256gig SSD and 16 gigs of ram.

[@some-random-guy-l4r]

At least it has USB A

[@mueffe1357]

Its a RDP terminal. You only need a user and password to use it. Everything is on the M$ cloud. Not even a PC. Charging 300 bucks for this is ridiculous. M$ cloud subscription alone is expensive enough.

[@Level70-x4d]

The 365 Stink..

[@tuomoseppala]

This is maybe the best so far!😂😂

[@dgf7451]

This machine is obviously meant for use in a more security-focused strategy for businesses, not for gaming or intensive tasks.

[@tekha1977]

If one is concerned about security the first thing would be to block your clients from accessing Internet. Which renders this product useless.

[@SaHaRaSquad]

Right because Microsoft's cloud is so well known for security and reliability /s

[@GrapeParfait]

@@tekha1977 You're technically correct. The best kind of correct.

[@dgf7451]

@@tekha1977 Brilliant idea, you better patent it before anyone else realizes. I mean, what organization even needs employees to access the web, right?

[@cjxgraphics]

I could easily see these things selling well in certain industries. Call centers, nurses’ stations. Situations where you absolutely have to be connected to a server to get any work done anyway. But for the home user, absolutely not! Then again, if the past few years have taught me anything, the worse the product the more people are willing to buy it.

[@musicalneptunian]

If Ed Bott and Mary Jo Foley say it's good, it sells even if it stinks.

[@mechalith2791]

Can't use it in call centers, nurse stations, etc. since all it can do is run the web version of MS Office applications, unless they're using Dynamics 365 for their MRP/ERP system. (And if you do, congrats, that's even more money you'll be giving Microsoft for probably the rest of your business' life.) IMO, using any SaaS software is self-destructive and short sighted in nearly all cases, and doubly so if it's cloud based, even if it's short-term expedient for budget reasons.

[@iFlxy]

Can't wait to see it being jailbroken and running Linux. Microsoft won't be happy lol

[@musicalneptunian]

jailbreak and run TempleOS. A huge improvement.

[@ZachHixsonTutorials]

Yeah, this is one of those real headscratchers. 20 years ago you could say they were trying to scam the "I only even know how to turn on the computer because of my job," crowd, but these days those people almost exclusively use smart devices. Who is this for? Public libraries?

[@trews1]

Probably too expensive for public libraries

[@ZachHixsonTutorials]

@trews1 IKR!? I'm really struggling to think who the actual fuck would buy something like this

[@Compact-Disc_700mb]

Honestly "smart" devices are nearly as bad as that piece of crap. Think about it a cell phone these days is almost totally useless without an internet connection, most people just stream all their slop media, and store their own pictures and files in "the cloud" AKA someone else's computer. Most people don't even know what a file or file extension is. But at least as locked down as an android cell phone is you can at least load up your own files, media and software, at least if you still have a phone with an sd card slot. iphones are still pretty close to that thing. Whenever I see stuff like that companies make awful stuff like that I get irritated but then when loads of people buy it I am just disappointed in humanity.

[@timothy8428]

​@@ZachHixsonTutorials Well I wouldn't buy it, but I'd pick it out of a dumpster if I noticed it there.

[@aquaponieee]

@@Compact-Disc_700mb the tech industry is awful nowadays.

[@SamuelSorek]

This is literally a scam

[@sinborn41214]

I'm embarrassed to be wholly dependent on Windows OSes for the productivity software and games I use. I need to divest.

[@musicalneptunian]

Linux needs you. But that's a whole other Sam Time.

[@LeicaCat]

Much easier to claim you don’t need a fan when you don’t have an internal power supply, so you need to factor a power brick into the design as well.

[@djdubai7]

microsoft must be playing 😂😂

[@marcfuchs6938]

Even if I was running a company, would I trust to do any computing in the cloud and also transfer absolutely all of my data there? Especially to somebody as "trustworthy" as Microsoft? As a private person, I'm rather gonna run my W10 PC offline for 2 decades before doing my computing on Microsoft servers......

[@Commanderziff]

The future of tech is truly terrifying. Hold onto your old stuff that still works, you may not see it's like again.

[@Compact-Disc_700mb]

Yeah save every single old machine you can, gonna need it once stuff like this is all you can get.

[@NoSubtitlesDesu]

Guys don't be negative. let's think about who might actually need this................................. . . . . . . yes! umm....yeah, no. nevermind!

[@MaxPower-11]

Yea, no joke. It’d be one thing if they charged say $80 for this underpowered thin client. $350 will get you more than a decent mini-PC nowadays, Windows license included.