Microsoft Surface Pro 7 vs iPad Pro 12.9 - It's Closer Than Ever!

[@OT4Tech]

Would you rather use the Surface Pro 7 or iPad Pro?

[@Executive_Essy]

IPad Pro all the way

[@Dare2Blink]

Surface pro 7 obviously. Its the only one with a proper full OS capable of doing proper file management and running anything. Not to mention that the ipad sucks for typing and does not even have a trackpad... no comparison.

[@trentgilliam5192]

Just look at the sales figures.... the mass majority are still choosing the iPad. Plus who really who rather deal will WinDOZE. Does the Surface need an antivirus?

[@Dare2Blink]

@@trentgilliam5192 The Surface division is selling very well and the Surface pro is the most sold 2 in 1 in the market... I cant fins any specific sales Numbers for the iPad Pro and the Surface pro so its anyones guess as to which sells more but I would net the surface sells more. 99% of professionals would prefer Windows over a tablet os...

[@DragonofStorm]

@@Dare2Blink The big one has a smart folio keyboard with normal key size thats, ok. But i also think that using an keyboard, it s much easier to navigate with trackpad than always moving the hand all the way to touch. Touch-usage is best when using stylus or if you only use very short term or have no space to use keyboard. And the normal OS point is important.

[@ashtontheperson7871]

Alright but yeah iPad is a better Tablet Surface is a better Computer.

[@hjacobson22]

true

[@Adrian-wd4rn]

Surface pro is better at both. I use Apple full on and switched to the surface just recently. The thing is amazing and can do ANYTHING you need it to do...Ipad? nah.

[@heinovanwaelem8275]

@@Adrian-wd4rn Wish that was true, running side by side comparison (real life) for a week now. Yes Surface Pro can do anything, but the things an iPad Pro has/does, it really does it better. Comparing to an iPad Pro 12.9 inch 2018. The iPad Pro has certainly much better battery life, at least 2 hours more (at minimum). I just see the battery dropping faster in same usage. Knowing the iPad has a 20% smaller battery. iPad Pro is also just smoother in all things it does (yes, even web browsing). The 120hz scrolling on iPad Pro is much better for the eyes. Sound quality is also much better. Also the iPad Pro touchscreen seems to be better, I have far more accidental taps/clicks (using touch) while scrolling on Surface Pro, and sometimes I have to tap twice for something. Try it with youtube, against youtube app on iPad Pro. You'll see. Surface Pro has no always on and as such no notifications or whatever. Are there any (good) apps for Surface Pro? No. You don't need to? That is because you are using it as a computer. A tablet is in another category. Think of this: would a small Surface Pro as it works today be a good smartphone? No. Surface Pro is better in certain cases, but to call it a better tablet against an iPad Pro is like cursing in church. However Surface Pro is nowadays performing better and better (as tablet). It is no surprise people are switching to it. That is also because Windows 10 is now more and more touch friendly/aware with each iteration. I also wish it was different, some things on iPad Pro are cumbersome and easily done on Surface Pro. But the same counts other way around. It is what it is. It all comes down to what you need (most) in your daily usage, but coming from an iPad Pro you'll sacrifice what I just mentioned, then again you gain some other things (that might matter more to you). I don't mind which one is better, I just wish it was really the case what you are saying. I can keep both if I want to, it is just stupid to have 2 devices of the same category. For me you are better off with a good tablet and a good laptop. However if you must choose (for that budget) between both, a Surface Pro could be the better choice in many cases.

[@Montpbm7]

@@Adrian-wd4rn Great decision.

[@Adrian-wd4rn]

@@heinovanwaelem8275like? My surface can run full Adobe. It draws really well it runs solid works and keyshot. As well as letting me take pictures in my studio when I connect my camera...I cant do any of that, other than draw, on an iPad. Sorry.

[@ABPreach81]

Honestly, I’ve been an Apple user for many years. I purchased the surface pro 5 (2017) for a pretty good price at bestbuy during a promotion which included the type cover. Although I really like Apple, I can no longer justify the price to purchase hardware that offers the very same experience in a different package. “ipad was a larger iPhone” up until pados. What I needed to do on an iPad can more easily and efficiently be done on a computer. If I need to take notes, I can grab a notebook. I love taking digital notes, but the iPad seems to be a square block trying to squeeze itself through a triangular whole. You just don’t need it. For $1k, it needs to offer a more complete experience. I have to carry two devices (Ipas and MacBook) to accomplish what I can do on my surface. With the surface, I only need the surface. Adjusting to looking for software vs apps is the challenge. The surface is better for business. iPad seems to be better as a toy or for reference after you’ve done real work on a computer.

[@tylerharvey8299]

I've had a Surface Pro 4 for almost 5 years now! It has been awesome! Tablet on the go when needed or a legit laptop when necessary! Thinking it's time to upgrade to the Surface Pro 7...

[@martingodske3301]

I have the Pro 4, but just ordered the pro 7, can't wait for it. The pro 4 is still a really good model, but just got the flickering screen (sad noises).

[@lukeetris]

Same. The surface pro is an amazing device.

[@donl7737]

My SP4 is also still rocking. Pre-ordered it right after it was released, now mainly using it for note-taking, media consumption, and video conferencing.

[@corgikun2579]

When you want to compare speakers Id recommend you the following. 1. Choose a song in a high bitrate format (not streaming) that has plenty of tones. 2. Get the waveform of that song. 3. Record iPad and SP7 waveforms individually with the microphone at the same distance for each device. 4. In a computer, open and compare the waveforms (original, iPad, SP7). Compare them visually and listen to certain sections that have significance

[@nyoverse]

Never that serious lol

[@Relatabledeepshorts]

Man this was actually the best review on KZbin for that topic. I searches for weeks and I were struggling between those 2 for quite a long time. Thank you very much sir and keep killing it!

[@OT4Tech]

🙏 thank you!

[@Stockboy929]

What did you decide to go with?

[@Ionlyexistpardner.]

@@Stockboy929 ipad 2

[@-M0LE]

Jackinthebox2502 😂😂😂😂😂

[@quimblyjones9767]

I'm so glad we are entering an era where there are magnets on everything.

[@evan.5967]

Fak me

[@evan.5967]

Ahaha

[@edlinx]

I have iPad pro v2 and I am switching to Surface Pro 7. iPad is a fun device but it is really bad for productivity.

[@swissheartydogs]

edlinx indeed, no pro software (even for pic/video) & archaic ergonomics (no kickstand, no trackpad)... iPad is not for work. SP7 the best productivity laptop.

[@richardalpert76]

Same here, going to sell my iPad Pro 12“ and get the SP7.

[@etagged]

There are plenty of portable laptops that are cheaper and better than the surface, why get a surface for productivity if you can just have a laptop. If it’s the drawing capabilities you care about, the ipad pro clearly wins in that department with the apple pencil.

[@TheRalphrochie]

which is more expensive upon buying and in the long run(ie. apps, programs, pens, keyboard)? I'm torn between these two for med school

[@Overtorange]

@@etagged Because plenty of people are using windows based programs to draw or edit photos.

[@yamamancha]

The only thing "close" is the price.

[@dnghn.design]

Hm

[@sonichedgehog36]

Correction: Surface Pro 7 is more than capable of handling Adobe Premiere, which gives it an upper hand over the iPad Pro. You have two options: (1) Turn on Intel Quick Sync. With that, you are using hardware encoding so you will see an appreciable drop in video quality (the same as the iPad Pro, which uses hardware video acceleration). Quick Sync in the Surface Pro 7's Ice Lake Core processor is even faster and higher quality than earlier iterations. If it is anything like the last generation, Quick Sync will be faster than Apple's proprietary video encoding solution. (2) Use software encoding. Software encoding is significantly higher quality. It's what world-class studios use for mastering and archival work. With the iPad Pro, practically all video editing apps force you to use Apple's on-chip hardware encoding. Plus, the encode times won't be that long and it's worth it if you are claim you are doing truly professional work. Thanks to the Ice Lake Core processors' performance leap, their software encoding is on-par with 90-watt desktop quad-core processors from just a couple years ago. The bottom line: The iPad Pro is acceptable for semi-professional work and casual editing where you are uploading to KZbin or Facebook where quality is less important. But to the discerning users, the Surface Pro 7 is the definitive choice. That's why, with good reason, B&H Photo Video often recommends Microsoft Surface to their pro audience.

[@PeteOliva]

I was just editing videos this past weekend on my new SP7. Even my i5 runs Premiere Pro like a CHAMP. Couldn't be happier.

[@anandsuralkar2947]

Good

[@DanielHarrisCodes]

I don't do video but imagine that the i5 SP7 would handle video encoding just fine - It's even faster than the i7 from the SP6. Sometimes I think people get bogged down in theory and opinions when it comes to what a machine can/can't do. When it comes to PCs they will do almost anything you want them to, it might just take longer and use more battery. I've done coding on the Surface Go for example, REAL work that's gone into production environments. This has been when I am travelling light, say for a weekend away with just a small backpack and had to make an emergency change for work. There isn't really a cut off except for games when it comes to the 8th - 10th gen intel devices like the Surface Pro 6 and 7 in terms of what they can do. There is no artificial limitations imposed in Windows. If you want to try and run a brand new game on the SP7 and put everything to low, reduce the resolution then it'll probably play smooth enough if you are happy with the lower visual quality. SP7 can do professional video editing I'm sure of it, it may not be the BEST device on the market but if you want a single device that can do almost anything it's probably the best choice.

[@mikederoos5839]

As long as i can't use the full version of word, PowerPoint etc. I wouldn't even consider to buy the IPad

[@anandsuralkar2947]

Lol

[@nuloom]

just as a sidenote, Keynote is far better than powerpoint.. Not sure about word. But Apple has its own suite of software similar to Microsoft’s, except it’s not subscription based. The advantage of that is that you can access all software from the cloud on any computer and open files even if you’re not logged in to your account on which you’re paying.

[@AR9ify]

Simon functionality is nowhere near full MS Office applications.

[@nuloom]

AR9fy You’d be surprised. A lot of the functionality exclusive to the Office subscription are gimmicks. Apple’s apps also have full desktop versions that apart from packing all functionality that one might need, do it in a far more intuitive way. Here’s an example, an extended version of what i said before. Keynote has a layers tab that’s directly accessible within one click. It has tools to set guides, lock and hide layers fast, etc, it makes it easy to create really advanced alignment defaults and defaults as a whole, has these ingenious buttons to copy and paste object styles that works similarly to Adobe Illustrator’s colour picker, just making presentations with it is far more efficient than with PowerPoint and the results are often more graphically pleasing, speaking as a graphic designer. Actually, most designers including myself prefer it for building presentations. Apple’s tools don’t have poorer functionality, they have a different functionality that’s focused on bringing an experience people can be familiar with rather than making a completely new experience and trying to get people to get used to that. Aside from that a lot of functionality Office gives is ridiculous and completely unneeded. The entire point of the software is organisation and document management. I don’t know how about OneNote and software that has no alternatives directly from Apple, but as a matter of fact in 2019, Office is only necessary if it’s enforced by somebody, whether it’s an official in a company or just a teacher. Me ditching the suite actually made me reconsider how i should use such tools and made me more work focused. And the ribbon ui design has yet to look visually appealing. While i see why some people want to use Office or don’t have a choice, the entire point i’m trying to make here is that it really is not as industry leading as Microsoft tries to make it seem. What a long paragraph summarised in one sentence.

[@X--ig9eo]

@@nuloom when did apple apps have full desktop version? You mean that ARM apps have X86 capability? Uneducated applesheep

[@linkster5564]

Honestly, I just want something to take good notes in class and occasionally play RuneScape

[@abdallahjarkas]

check surface go

[@linkster5564]

@@abdallahjarkas I have, but it's a bit small for taking notes. I would prefer something around the same size as a spiral notebook.

[@crimeandclaws]

@@linkster5564 SP 7 or the new X if you have a bit more wiggle on the budget. It's gorgeous, large for note taking and the slim pen is amazing

[@abrararifify]

If you wanna take notes and already have a laptop, iPad Pro is hands down the way to go

[@ryan4305]

Same... I never liked/owned Apple products but I think the Ipad Pro is the way to go, I have a powerful desktop for the heavy load and the Ipad would be a great additional tool. The battery of my SP decided not to charge anymore... might try to replace but I think I prefer to pay the full price for a brand new Ipad than paying for something that might fail again.

[@stevebowen9412]

Watched a few of these comparisons and this one is by far the most unbiased. Lots of pratical usage type comparisions. Great vid, thanks!

[@EdwinRecon]

Great review bro . I got the surface pro

[@bmbell71]

I've had my current surface pen for over a year and have never had to charge the batteries in it. The Surface Pen feels and writes like a real pen, the Apple pencil IMO is too stiff and rigid by comparison. If you want a device to use as a note taking device, the Surface wins out hands down. The integration with Windows 10, One Note and Windows inking is far better than the after thought that is in iOS and iPad OS. I've used both devices. I can't comment on art drawing, because I'm not an artist.

[@GuitarRockPlayer]

How is the durability of the surface pen? I want a surface 2in1 but I've seen that Microsoft is selling the tips a part so I thought that the pen doesn't last forever and that concerned me because I don't want to buy a lot of pens because they are not quite cheap. Can you tell me your experience with the pen? It would be helpful thanks.

[@bmbell71]

@@GuitarRockPlayer I've had mine a year and a half, no issues with it what-so-ever. You can get tip replacements, but durability doesn't seem to be an issue to me.

[@arctikstorm]

@@GuitarRockPlayer It's usually not a problem, but if you are a heavy-handed writer you can buy 4 tips for 9.99$ in many tech stores.

[@GuitarRockPlayer]

@@bmbell71 Thanks for the reply man. I hope to get mine soon

[@GuitarRockPlayer]

@@arctikstorm OK Thanks 🙂

[@hjacobson22]

Thanks for the review. I Have had a Surface Pro 7, I7, 16 Gb ram for a week and this is such a great device. There may be some small bugs to work out still but they are nearly imperceivable and I have seen them improved with updates. I love the surface pen. It has good drag like a pencil or pen because of the rubber tip. I like that.

[@crimeandclaws]

I hate that because I do digital art. I got the Slim Pen with a paper screen protector and its a dream. The slim pen is much better for illustrators.

[@user-xh5pi2nf9q]

Thanks for comparison. Im going for SP7 because of my own personal workflow. On the gaming front, it would be interesting to see which one works better with game streaming services from local/cloud services in future. I use Steam-Inhome streaming alot because my main rig is in my garage-office. I have also toyed with Parsec. Now that Stadia is coming out id be curious if either chipset would be better with the H264/H265 encoding for these needs.

[@OT4Tech]

Once I get more time in with these game streaming services I'll try to put together a good video for sure

[@vg4902]

You can also charge the SP7 using a USB-C charger if you want to. You don't need to use the proprietary charger.

[@KK-gc5lj]

Whenever you are mentioning those prices , my heart beat is skipping a beat.🤕🥵

[@MoreLikeCappuccino]

buy a refurbished one atleast surface pro 4 - currently on amazon for like 450

[@dezinfectant]

are you kk slider

[@_A_T]

An i5 laptop, compare with a tablet, and you called it close!? What are you smoking? iPad with a keyboard just makes it "look" like a laptop, but it's not a laptop.

[@OT4Tech]

It’s more than just adding a keyboard... with iPad OS you get mouse support and external drive support. Plus the A12X is plenty powerful enough for video/photo editing apps. I think you would be surprised what you can accomplish on an iPad if you actually were to try it.

[@pilot3103ify]

@@OT4Tech The major disadvantage of iPadOS is it's still a very young OS. It's like a child in an adult body. There's only so much you can do with an iPad, but that also means that the current iPad pro can probably last another 3-4 years until it becomes obsolete.

[@_A_T]

@@leonel9110 so? It is still a mobile OS.

[@leonel9110]

@@_A_T obviously but I'm talking about the processors

[@michaeltesta9965]

Using apps made for tablets on iPad is FAR superior & more enjoyable to running a Windows tablet. It’s not even close. The reason why these comparisons continue is for this reason - and people keep wondering if their desktop use-case can be accomplished with each new app release/OS release. To me, the answer is simple. Build a desktop and remote into it with a cellular iPad (w/ KB & mouse support) for your use-cases that are not yet easily handled by a true tablet OS Devices that I own that I used for comparison: *Lenovo X1 Tablet (3rd gen) w/ dual 4lane PCIe TB3 ports *2018 iPad Pro 12.9

[@samratspeaks]

Nobody: Literally Nobody: Not a single soul:: Tech reviewers: Video editing in this device...Games.....

[@getoffamylan6844]

I love how every techtuber review focuses entirely on a devices video editing. Now smart watch? How does it edit video? C'mon guys, get just a little bit out of your own little world willya?

[@PurushNahiMahaPurush]

@@getoffamylan6844 They focus on video editing and then claim that the ipad pro can replace a laptop. Lmfao. Yea sure. Let me get on with my CAD modelling and software development with Visual Studio on my iPad pro. Oh wait, it doesn't even have software support. 90% of techtubers are a waste of storage space on KZbin servers.

[@PurushNahiMahaPurush]

It can't even run games properly. I can run Witcher 3 on low settings from my Steam library without having to purchase it again. Gaming is objectively better on the Surface Pro 7.

[@Dormatekno]

Surface Pro 7❤️

[@chakk0]

Fact!

[@daymianhayes2493]

You can play Xbox games on it!

[@mxazrecitizen]

And can coding to make app

[@sitoudien9816]

I think your next purchase depends on what you have presently. iPad is an accessory. SP7 is a full computer. If you have a relatively modern computer, then get an iPad. If you have a very old computer , then get the SP7.

[@yeaididdat666]

Yes finally someone gets the concept that I have

[@Adrian-wd4rn]

"these devices aren't made for editing heavy videos"....erm, my i7 16 gb ram model would love to disagree.

[@matthewlopez178]

How is the fan noise on your i7? Something noticeable or no?

[@anandsuralkar2947]

Lol

[@anandsuralkar2947]

@@matthewlopez178 it doesn't have fanmaybe

[@matthewlopez178]

@@anandsuralkar2947 the i7 versions do

[@DanielHarrisCodes]

@@matthewlopez178 Correct they do, since the SP5 though the fan comes on a lot less on the i7 models though. I would prefer the i5 myself IF you could get it in black w/ 16GB RAM. I don't even NEED the 16GB Ram most of the time, but sometimes have to run Virtual Machines locally instead of in the cloud. In terms of the fan, I have the i7 Surface Book 2 (The fanless i5 SP7 is actually faster CPU wise) and the fan barely ever comes on when I am coding or running VMs etc. so I think the SP7 i7 will be similar despite it being smaller with less room for heat to disperse

[@BenCaesar]

I heard you can run full programs on surface and that brought me here. Great video! I think I'll wait it out until developers design their full software for both laptop and tablet cos optimizing for touch is kind of the point imho.

[@onlysublime]

I picked up the surface pro 7 with i7, 16GB,and 256 storage. This machine is a beast! I even use it for vr.

[@changye9604]

Bruh, what? How is that even possible?

[@kailashnathan3609]

@onlysublime How good is it so faar?

[@onlysublime]

@@changye9604 because the iris graphics meets the checklist. I can't play some of the intense games. But I can play space pirate trainer and smaller games.

[@onlysublime]

@@kailashnathan3609 I love it. Will never go back to a normal laptop.

[@kishores7034]

Comparison doesn't even exist Surface Pro is way superior

[@onlysublime]

Windows hello on surface uses infrared tech from the kinect days and should work well in all lighting conditions even pure darkness. The only scenario where it fails is outdoor sunlight bc the sun's ir will overwhelm the ir sensor.

[@ahpoiseheh]

Lol.

[@noelsoong777]

I use the surface but I think the ipad's stylus is superior.

[@joshuah_olen]

just picked up the surface pro 7 i3 for $599 at Best Buy. Pretty much fresh out of the box right now, but im loving it so far. I'm not a huge fan of iOS, and i think this one is gonna be perfect for me. Thanks for the video!

[@NOLATechy]

1) I don't know...from what I heard for the audio, the SP7 actually sounded like it had more base, which made it sound a little better. It wasn't as "loud", but it was definitely clearer and richer. 2) If you're looking for a device to do work or study like on a real laptop, buy the SP7. If you're looking for a large iPhone to play games on and watch movies, buy the iPad Pro.

[@sebastian993]

An honest review of a Microsoft product by a tech reviewer - I'm shocked, I tells yah

[@Montpbm7]

Right me too, all these other clowns head is stuck so far up Apples behind they can't even see all of the flaws IPads has.

[@GyanPrakash]

One can run full OS and the other a mobile OS that’s the difference.

[@lh6843]

The SP does not support a wide variety of apps. It’s more of a traditional laptop. But very functional nonetheless. iPad Pro supports a multitude of different applications designed specifically for apple use making it more versatile to use for many different things. I have both, but I defer to SP when I need to use excel. Excel for apple, not so good.

[@RK-um9tu]

iPad Pro is just a big iPhone, nothing more nothing less. Take away external attachments and what can you do on an iPad Pro that you can't do on an iPhone Pro Max. Videos, photos, editing videos/photos, watching movies, MS office, play games can be done on both devices. Only major difference is opening two windows at once.

[@tmac9127]

I just scooped the Surface Pro 7 i7 model with 256SSD, the new Slim Pen and Type Cover for under $1500. I have to say it has been blazing through every task I toss at it and I'm a software engineer. I love the iPad line of products for tablet use, but when it comes to getting serious work done you just can't beat the convenience of the Surface Pro 7. I mostly use Illustrator and drawing apps, text editors with my favorite programming tools, with more than enough powerful photo editing and video editing apps with NO problem. I have been able to play games using the Xbox game pass and my 8Bitdo controller and so far so good no issues. I'm hoping maybe I can figure out the whole Xcloud thing and test that somehow. Maybe emulate via Bluestacks and see how it holds up. I'll let you guys know how it goes.

[@theunorthodox828]

My sp7's windows hello unlocks the device instantly even in a pitch black room

[@KuroHebi]

I was surprised to see that my SP7 could recognize me in the dark. Amazing 2-in-1 tablet.

[@JP-xd2st]

The rise of iPad a decade ago was because laptop technology was not there to work as a tablet, and iPad offers a simpler operating platform in order to cope with a handy tablet/phone device. But today the advance in tablet hardware can sufficiently cope with a pc operating system. That’s why surface pro will always win as time goes on. The iPhone/iPad era has gone long ago when Steve job died.

[@ManuelOrbeaOtaola]

Waiting for surface pro 8 which will probably have the design of the pro x.

[@PravinDahal]

Doesn't look like it's coming out in 2021 either.

[@janTelo]

Yeah, I'm returning my iPad Pro. The iPad is a really good tablet, and that's it. It excels at drawing, but for doing literally anything else, the Surface is better.

[@Tommmmmmmmmmmm]

i doubt you even had an iPad. you can do basically anything you could on a Mac just as well, and even better in some ways.

[@nathaniel23946]

Honestly it depends on what ecosystem you are used to. I actually bought the surface pro and then I returned it after 2 weeks of usage. Later on I actually bought the iPad pro. I mainly use it for note taking in graduate school and the apple pencil is definitely a whole lot better. It's just my own opinion after trying both device pencil.

[@crimeandclaws]

I agree the old pen was trash for me but the new Slim Pen is amazing and feels even better than the Pencil.

[@silan2335]

My Dell Latitude from 2011 with an upgrade on the ssd is running perfectly all programs I need to code and all the paradox games I play. Battery is on point with a replacement for 35.- in 2016.. My parents iPad 2 doesn't even stream videos smooth anymore, battery is two hours and there are soo many apps you can't download from the appstore because they don't want you to. And they even havent used it much.. In 2029 I shoud come back here and complain how they took away the possibility to own your electronic devices and that the subscription fees are too high... Where is this all leading.. These two are the strongest entries every year into the future way of computing.. These tablets are priced well over 1000$ and you can't really repair them if they bend in your bag. You can't replace the battery or storage. And you can't change your OS, or at least not without some very strong drawbacks. "But the user wants that..." I don't get it. But hey, this is the future and we should be excited about it..

[@VoodooGuitar]

It's strange, in the video the Surface Pro 7 actually sounds like it has a more dynamic range with your sound test, I wonder if they sound much different in person.

[@Jimmyfly215]

how about my Surface Pro 6 I am watching on? where is the love?

[@Glamrgrl104]

What do you use yours for? How's it holding up

[@kailashnathan3609]

@James Sweeney Does it work well for long term use?

[@h1a8]

You forgot the most important thing (video editing is of little importance to most people), the ability to use FULL office applications. In other words, students and professionals who need the full version (use advanced features) of the office apps should get the surface pro. Although you pointed it out, the headphone jack is a strong reason to consider the surface pro if one has good quality wired headphones (like me).

[@marcs4128]

As someone who owns galaxy tab as well as the surface pro, I can guarantee you that the tablet experience is fine on SP, it could do with some minor improvements but it's fine. My only grievances I wish that when you close or minimize an app, that it goes to the app Switcher screen rather than the start screen.

[@GyanPrakash]

One is a real computer 💻 one is I don’t know what.

[@Stef-iq4dh]

how come I've been reading so many reviews in the microsoft website that the surface pro 7 has so many issues like shutting off randomly or being laggy. what are your guys' experience on this?

[@RK-um9tu]

If you want the truth go to Best Buy's review page. Read comments from people who have actually spent their hard-earned money on the device. The SP 7 great and 97% of people on BB would recommend it to a friend. I own an SP 7 (i5, 8 ram) and will never go back to a traditional laptop. Ended up turning my ASUS 17-inch laptop (i7, 16 ram, dual fans) into my desktop.

[@FS-me8mj]

why are we comparing full blown windows 10 with a mobile os? The comparison is totally flawed

[@op8ztv]

because they're in the same price range and are both physically tablet devices...

[@FS-me8mj]

@@op8ztv I hope you know the difference between the usage of a tablet and a laptop.

[@op8ztv]

@@FS-me8mj The Surface Pro isn't a laptop...

[@FS-me8mj]

@@op8ztv what is it then? Is it a tablet? No. So it's a laptop. Is Ipad a tablet? Yes.

[@bxhrami]

Great review. Probably the only fair review of the iPad Pro I’ve ever seen. All other youtubers are obsessed with the pro...

[@shahhan01]

I don't think iPadPro and surface pro should be compared on a 1 to 1 bases. It's like comparing apples to oranges. Yes some people will like apples and others oranges. But does it make any sense comparing the taste, feel and sensation of eating each one and put it up side by side? My point being, ones a laptop in a tablets body (sp7) and one is a phone in a tablets body (iPad Pro) you can't compare a phone to a laptop. (Just trying to simplify the initial analogy) I can understand that some people might not be able to understand what the difference is between the two devices, and videos should focus on that aspect. And that aspect is primarily the OS more than anything else.

[@kailashnathan3609]

So did you buy the surface pro? How's it so far? Good for long term use>?

[@JohnBrosan]

It really does depend on your needs. The iPad is tablet first, while the SP7 is Laptop first, tablet second. I'm still on the fence with these devices. I'm a software engineer and artist. The engineer side says SP7, the artist side says iPad Pro. I'm just going to cool my jets for a while and see what shakes out between these two.

[@OT4Tech]

Yeah I don’t blame you. They are both incredible devices at the end of the day.

[@JohnBrosan]

@@OT4Tech They really are and I don't think I can go wrong with either one. I love the Apple Pencil experience on the iPad Pro, and I love the idea of being able to do art AND code on the SP7...I really just need to see how the MS pen experience works for me. And then there is the Surface Pro X. LOL! something new and exciting to consider. Makes me want to draw on it and develop apps for it all at the same time. I think I should just go and do some coding on my desktop for a bit. LOL

[@OT4Tech]

I would wait for the Pro X. Hopefully I’ll be getting one for testing but that might be the one to beat. The Surface Pen experience is nearly identical to the Apple Pencil but I love the ergonomics and tactile button so much more on the Surface Pen.

[@JohnBrosan]

@@OT4Tech Definitely waiting to see how The SPX performs. I am hoping its super competitive with the iPad Pro. Excited to see your review!

[@aliefr2984]

@@JohnBrosan don't buy pro x, since it use mobile processor most app won't work.

[@Trader-CL]

iPad Pro (tablet OS) is a wanna be Surface Pro (true desktop OS)

[@TheDryToalla]

Exactly the review I was looking for! Awesome work! 👍

[@rolan7775]

Hey bro, awesome video👏 wanted to ask u something reallly quick, I am a student and I was looking forward to getting the surface pro 7, but I am kind of hesitant on which keyboard color I should get. I have already settled on the combo black surface pro and black pen but still don’t know which keyboard!😂 it would mean A lot if u would help💓

[@JoIjloL]

I'd say just stick with those colors, especially if that's the colors you like. I myself got the Poppy Red arc mouse, pen, and keypad.

[@TDDP574]

as long as i can watch porn idc what device i get tbh

[@carterdotn3083]

Why would you spend $1000+ just to watch porn lmao

[@mariaazevedo5800]

dude this is funny af

[@mr.repeat8632]

@@carterdotn3083 nicer quality

[@carterdotn3083]

@@mr.repeat8632 bruh

[@lookatallthesetumers856]

Why is does this man not have a million subscribers yet?

[@Rexxthespecialist]

Got the surface pro 7 in Black Friday from the windows store in the mall for $999 (i5 8gb ram 256Gb SSD). Including the Alcántara keyboard and the windows pen 🖊 Not sure if the iPad had any sale but I believe this is pretty hard to beat.

[@karolinacutler7353]

Why didn't you use the Surface Pro 7 256GB 16GB RAM instead of the 8GB RAM one that you used? The 16GB RAM model has other extras too, even the graphics card. This model is the one I've got and it would blow the iPad out of the water, it's a PC that can be used as a tablet, while the iPad Pro is a tablet that can be used kinda like a PC. Very different! I'm using apps and full programs, try using a full program on an iPad?!

[@RK-um9tu]

Apple marketers never present unbiased information or make fair comparisons...

[@zekesalazar8356]

Hey, have you compared testing the studio mics of SP7 with the iPad Pro's mic? I was curious about that as well.

[@cliffords2315]

there is also now a Surface Pro X that has studio quality mics and cameras but runs on a Qualcom instead of Intel i5

[@axxessmundi]

The MS-SP7 is the Tom Brady of tablets while the IPad is the Lionel Messi of tablets. For me the SP7 is the better team player.

[@DavidTrejo]

More like: iPad: Ronaldo Surface Pro: Messi 😁

[@axxessmundi]

@@DavidTrejo There's only 1 Ronaldo (2 WC's🇧🇷) The Phenomenon and he is the MAC! Cristiano Ronaldo is the Thinkpad.. 😉

[@Montpbm7]

Hahahaha 😂 facts

[@theshieldhero7062]

Montpbm Crawford Champions League matters more than the world cup

[@mw7967]

I'm a heavy Apple user. The iPad is a good device at $400 dollars. However, if you're spending $1000 or more, you should NEVER buy an iPad Pro. It's simply a horrendous long term investment for the price. If your choice is between a Surface "Pro" or an iPad "Pro" for the money, get a surface. It will be far more usable for far longer into its lifecycle than the equivalent iPad manufactured at the same point in time. If I'm going to spend $1000 or more, I'm investing in a proper laptop, be it a MacBook or an equivalent Windows PC; both will receive far longer software support than will any iPad. If Apple wants consumers to see iPads as viable laptop replacements, they need to offer much better long term support. As of now, the longest any iPad has seen IOS support has been the Air 2, and it likely won't get the next version of iPad OS. Conversely, if one looks at the Surface Pro 3, which was released the same year as the Air 2, it can still run the latest version of Windows 10, This is why I cannot take such comparisons as these seriously. No one with even a slight knowledge of computers would purchase ANY iPad as a laptop replacement, especially at a cost of over $1000 in order to attempt to use it as a laptop. As I said, for that money, I'd sooner buy a MacBook; but I would also consider a Surface. Consider that when Apple stops updates on the iPad, the user is left with little choice but to upgrade. Proper laptops allow the user to run windows, Mac OS or both, with the option to at least attempt to run linux. Choosing an iPad means committing to frequent upgrades. Anyone spending Laptop money on iPad "Pro" models is getting ripped off in the long term....plain and simple.

[@RK-um9tu]

Finally, an Apple user willing to speak the truth. Thank you good sir...

[@mw7967]

R K you're most welcome. I don't understand why all of these reviewers fail to mention the fact that long term support, software and security updates is where the surface clearly is the better choice for the asking price.

[@RK-um9tu]

@@mw7967 They aren't reviewers, they're small business owners. And their goal is to generate as many subscriptions, views, and thumbs up as possible, so they can earn as much money as possible.

[@mw7967]

R K I see....and the need for views, and thumbs up, and subscriptions I'm certain must lend itself to bias opinion. When it comes to technology, I use what works for me. Although as I said, I'm currently heavily invested in Apple, I steadfastly refuse to surcumb to a reality distortion field where one allows allegiance to a company to cloud logical thought, which leads them to deny their own experiences. The iPad is a computer, because Apple says so...the Surface is a viable laptop replacement, because it's a tablet in form but a computer in function and practice...and that's why I'd purchase over the iPad "Pro"

[@RK-um9tu]

@@mw7967 which ensures that they keep getting free review device and/or invites to the tech companies Spring/Fall product events. For example, the KZbinr (Lew Later) who exposed that iPhone 6's frame bends has said that he no longer gets invited to Apple events.

[@ciuby76]

Hi..interesting video! I see you have tried Diablo3 on SP7 can you share some details? Was it good? Resolution, FPS, ... those kind of nerdy data. Very appreciated!

[@vanessab6123]

Which device is better for gaming? Which one support pc games?

[@nic_ccc3366]

Good comparison. The iPad would be my choice as a personal device (for media consumption, email, web browsing). However because productivity and running my small business is my main need, the Surface is much better. Don’t have to worry about being limited to mobile apps, and using a trackpad is better than swiping the screen all the time. iPadOS has definitely widened the functionality of the device, but with that has necessarily come the greater learning curve for gestures, which can be cumbersome at times. For multitasking, iPadOS is not as good as Windows.

[@anandsuralkar2947]

Why are u comparing non cellular while surface x has LTE

[@jha3873]

Great topic! Great delivery! First review video to force me to seriously consider the surface pro line vs Apple’s compelling IPad Pro 12.9 3rd Gen (which I am typing on). If there is something that I think could improve this review, it would be that the accessories (at least for the IPad Pro, which I am testing) could be better selected. In my opinion, the IPad Pro 12.9 3rd generation is capable of top-notch or near top notch drawing and note taking performance to make it more of a priority than a keyboard experience. Thus, the accessories or peripheral set-up should be more geared to writing/drawing angles rather than laptop-like typing. In that way, if you embedded links to videos related to those accessories/peripherals, I would click on those videos after watching this video. I don’t normally comment on videos but you seem to be on the right track topic-wise. Thanks for your review!

[@OT4Tech]

🙏 thank you!

[@robertmays4250]

I've already got an iPad Pro 12.9; I'm going to be getting an SP7 in a couple of weeks. I like the iPad Pro, but it just doesn't do the things I really want to do. It's great for surfing the web, or watching TV and movies, reading email and playing games from the app store, but for development, everything seems to be "make it on the Mac, run it on the iPad". I'm too heavily invested in Windows to switch to Mac at this point; it's Windows 7 (soon to be 10) at work, and Windows 10 at home. With the SP7, I can use Visual Studio, and Office on the platform it runs on the best. And I haven't had a great deal of luck trying to remote into either Win7 or Win10 using the iPad; the connection just isn't stable enough.

[@ronald7482]

Why to compare an iPad with a laptop?

[@xxnike0629xx]

It's no surprise that the Apple one is more expensive. #AppleTax These devices aren't meant for gaming so of course you won't get the best playback. I think the Surface Pro 7 would overall be more useful in most situations. I also like how it supports expandable storage.

[@OT4Tech]

Agreed, I love the Surface Pro 7! I wish they would add thunderbolt 3 to it for GPU expansion, I think that would be killer. Luckily, USB 4.0 is coming soon!

[@andyH_England]

The iPad Pro and accessories are now much cheaper due to the new iPad coming soon, so in reality, the iPad Pro will be a lot cheaper, for instance, you can easily get £500 off the 1tb iPad Pro (new). As for what is best, the iPad is miles ahead of the SP7 as a tablet, if that is the main reason to buy, easy choice. If you want a laptop then neither are perfect and I would not get either as the SP7 is overpriced for inferior user experience. My perfect setup is an iPad Pro and a Macbook Pro; best of both worlds.

[@xxnike0629xx]

@@OT4Tech USB 4.0?

[@OT4Tech]

That’s a great combo! I haven’t seen the sale you’re seeing here in the US. I have seen refurbished units going for cheaper and as for accessories they still are not on sale in the US.

[@andyH_England]

xxnike629xx USB 4 is due next year which will have the USB-C connector. I believe 40Gbps and has potential to support TB3. Basically USB-C +.

[@hardikbagaria6117]

Surface pro 7 always !!

[@re.nate.g]

SO, I am intrested in both of these, but where I'm from the surface pro 6 it's worth the double than the ipad pro 12.9... sooo yeah. Also. In the long term, which one is better? I've seen people still using the ipad 2 and it's still decent, what about a surface? how long will the specs last?

[@Dare2Blink]

Fantastic comparison, spot on. Its hard to find such an unbiased comparison.

[@mostlymessingabout]

It's nice that Microsoft is giving you so much power, if you want it. If you want more battery life you can dial down a bit the horsepower. i5 is faster than i7 last year and even faster than Surface Book 2. That's incredible

[@UltraKryptonian]

Watching this on my 2nd gen iPad Pro (10.5”) and know this will NOT smoke a Surface Pro. I use my iPad for stop motion animation, light gaming, and surfing the net. It will not do the video editing I do on my laptops.

[@bigdisme5622]

Wrong

[@trustno1test25]

Man these products should not be compared!!! Simply put - one is a tablet (IPad pro) the other is a 2-1 laptop (Surface pro). I own a MacBook Pro (not a designer or professional or anything, just bought it because I use Linux at work and thought let’s buy a second hand MacBook Pro and use terminal to practise and python). Mum got a Surface pro from work and Aunty has iPad Pro with pen etc. I used both and can simply say Surface pro is a laptop or computer replacement- it has a USB port and lovely keyboard (bought separately) whilst iPad Pro is beautiful to look at and use but it’s not a laptop. It’s a premium tablet that doesn’t have any usb peripherals or allows you to download 3rd party apps outside of App Store. Apple wouldn’t risk making the iPad a 2-1 as it would take the shine away from MacBook Air or pros. Why pay 1k or more when I can get a 2-1 that does the same. Apple does however, make the iPad a great experience. I hear all the chatter about the A12 processors and battery life which is great but doesn’t mean much if it still can’t do normal computing stuff bar the bare minimum

[@HT-pl8du]

how are you getting 10+ hours??? im barely reaching 5 hours so i have no idea what im doing wrong!

[@thethinkmine]

You pundits are being VERY irresponsible to your subscribers when you compare a toy to a real machine and use "video editing" and "image editing" and gaming as the only criteria for choosing one over the other. Its like comparing a car to a helicopter and saying a car is better because it has wheels. The two devices are designed to do completely separate things and only converge in the sense that the surface has been made to have a tablet like form factor. However it is a FULL PC. With a DESKTOP CLASS PROCESSOR. While the iPad is still for all intents and purposes a CONSUMPTION DEVICE. Stop with the comparisons.

[@losusmil]

I have a 2012 MacBook Pro that Ive used specifically for work and school only, it still works great but its a bit slow at times, even after upgrading the RAM. I recently got into Grad school for Occupational Therapy and Ive been considering getting a tablet for it specifically and later to use at work. Needless to say i am looking for the best device for productivity. Im having such a hard time deciding which one to go with. Im not a gamer nor a photographer so games and photo apps are not important to me. I care about how efficient it works when it comes to note taking, recording docs, using google docs, Microsoft office. Im leaning towards the Surface, but Im worried that after using Mac for so many years it'll be confusing making the switch. Any advice? Thanks!

[@18nnamdi]

Really enjoyed the review! Thanks for helping me with my decision

[@chandansingh283]

Which one is better for ... Collage student..for notes taking , pdf reading.. and many study purpose?

[@MrHammer102]

Yeah, I don't get comparing a computer to a media consumption tablet! As powerful as the I Pad is, it is not computer-like Surface 7. No, amount of gadgets will make the I Pad a computer.

[@anandsuralkar2947]

Teye

[@anandsuralkar2947]

True

[@MrDucatiV4]

How is a Microsoft Tablet/laptop and a Apple tablet even close? One is a full fledge i3/i5/i7 laptop with Iris+ grahics and the other is just another big iPad. The Surface Pro 7 can also charge with USB C port. There are many reasons why companies uses Surface Pro and not iPads. Surface Pro 7 can run full fledge Adobe programs like Photoshop, illustrator, Premier, and ect so the iPad is not even close.

[@samsamsam3]

A12x is just as powerful as i5 but its OS is the difference.

[@Ok-mb3wd]

Thanks for the review. Im gonna buy the SP7. I think its the ideal laptop for college. It supports word, powerpoint etc, its a great tablet for watching movies and it even supports a little bit of gaming.

[@ShionTheHollow]

That's why I've gone for it as well. Here's to hoping it's gonna be amazing

[@boogeyman2036]

Just ordered my sp7 a day ago, can't wait to get it.

[@jeanbaptistelabelle]

It is wrong: Face ID is NOT more secure than Windows Hello. Windows Hello is based on the XBox kinect and Face ID basically copied the system (with a infrared light to map the depth of the face). I do not know where it is coming from but Windows Hello is as secured as it gets.

[@bradavon]

Contrary to reviews the iPad has no "mouse support". You're bending the truth what it's there for. It's an accessibility feature. It's "not traditional" because iPad is not meant to be used with a mouse.

[@OT4Tech]

It does have mouse support considering it states mouse in the accessibility settings and also allows you to customize the buttons on the mouse depending which one your using. That’s like saying the iPhone doesn’t have auto brightness because it’s in the accessibility settings so it’s an accessibility feature.

[@bradavon]

@@OT4Tech it's not meant to be used in the way every reviewer claims its to be used though. Directly comparing it to laptop mouse support. The size of the cursor tells you it's not mouse support. It's for people who have an accessibility feature. I can't comment on iPhone auto brightness. It sounds like it's been put in the wrong place. But still no iPad doesn't have mouse support. If you buy an iPad expecting this, because reviewers keep telling you it has this, you'll be a good disappointed.

[@markbrown1987]

This, I absolutely hate how misinformed a TON of reviewers are.

[@bradavon]

@@markbrown1987 people want mouse support so much they're forcing themselves to use the feature for something different to what it's intended for.

[@bundubashing2591]

I'm actually considering upgrading from a Surface 3 non pro to a 11 or 12.9 iPad pro. Awesome review.

[@anandsuralkar2947]

Just dont surface was a PC and ipad is big screen smartphone u will never be able to do computer work on surface this reviewer guy just dont know shit

[@adoseoflemon6200]

would it be nice to see the next surface pro to have amd processors, tiny bessels, 120hz, larger screen and a reasonable price tag.

[@lunartears3340]

The iPad was never iven an inch close to the surface

[@ichsamkeren5382]

Lunar Tears its literally and tablet vs actual pc like comparing ipad vs macbook pro

[@ravitejaJoe]

@@ichsamkeren5382 surface laptop vs macbook pro would be better comparison.. Surface pro is more as 2 in 1 and not full laptop lol

[@SimplisticVR]

What do you guys think, i have a gaming laptop which has noisy fans and poor battery life for school, but i have thought about getting the ipad pro 2018 11” for my notes like word and so on, and all that kind of things, but when i need something which isn’t on the ipad i will take the laptop to school that day?

[@daphnevasquez8383]

I’m looking for one for drawing and school work

[@wally19]

I got the SP7 at 600$ from MS store, it supposed to be delivered on Wednesday.

[@Lanziee01]

Does surface pro 7 heat up easily and has strong fan sound? My Surface pro 4 did after a year and I'm thinking of switching to ipad ..🤔

[@DerNetteFette]

Something you got wrong: the iPad is way less robust. It's an aluminium sack with little internal structure that bends very easily.

[@timlee7600]

are people still saying the same thing after the realisation that surface pros can only last 4-5 hours max in reality use?

[@RK-um9tu]

I get over 7.5 hours of continuous KZbin viewing (50% brightness) on my SP 7...

[@thethinkmine]

can the ipad install sql server? have virtual machines on it? install visual studio code? does it have xcode and can you use it to build apps for it or will you need another device in order to do those things?

[@AlumarsX]

Is there any reason I should look at the i7 vs the i5 you used in this test on the SP7? The only processor intensive tasks I'll be doing is editing pictures in Capture One with a browser running in the background with 15-20 tabs.

[@crimeandclaws]

I only got it to future proof my device since I use these for many years, I had a Surface Pro 3 i7 until recently when I got my Pro 7 i7.The i7 remains powerful for much longer but if you switch your devices every year or so I would stick with the i5, it is plenty powerful.

[@AlumarsX]

@@crimeandclaws For me at least, I think battery life will start being a problem before the CPU starts feeling slow. Plus the i5 being fanless I guess should hold up more to abuse.

[@crimeandclaws]

@@AlumarsX I got a light portable charger and this supports USB C charging so battery life isnt a huge problem

[@naumankhokhar6471]

it will be great if you could right on the screen about the device you're talkign about. so that if people are fast forwarding to their relevant section, they may know which device are you talking about

[@kishores7034]

Surface wins it there is no comparison Surface pro is even more powerful

[@thecatonacouch9371]

No it isn’t

[@VibrGames]

How is a 4:3 screen better than 3:2 for media consumption?

[@Ayrton866]

3:2 gets bigger black bars.

[@VibrGames]

@@Ayrton866 4:3 is the same as 12:9 and 3:2 is the same as 12:8, which means 3:2 has less height which means smaller black bars.

[@f.a9687]

Hello Does the surface pro 7 get heat up when using it?

[@AR9ify]

I really hate it when gizmo reviewers are trying to review professional tools.. It just doesn't cut it at all.

[@infinitealeaf]

Do you shut down your surface pro? Or can it hold its battery in standby/sleep for a couple of days? (For quick startup/instant on) thanks.