Surface Pro X vs iPad Pro | Is it Even A Contest?

[@NoahHerman]

At 7:45 we have what you call an *editing error.* It’s somewhat of a rare occurrence... and is prevalent when the *editor* is up at 4am *editing* 😂🤪🥱

[@reevanamin5865]

Noah Herman great work tho

[@rai_pranjal]

You're trying your best, and we're proud! ❣️

[@lawrencerichards5057]

College life is so busy .

[@crystalchaos462]

honestly I thought you were making a joke about battery life here. I laughed pretty hard.

[@NoahHerman]

I wish you were right lol

[@iali00]

Sad that a young college student understands the value of Microsoft Office for 99% of people. Not everyone is a KZbinr or a creator. Great job and review.

[@NoahHerman]

As a business student Microsoft is so central to what we do lol. Thanks for the comment!

[@iali00]

Noah Herman great job at the end of the video explaining the value proposition for the different users. Most you Tubers think every device is for creators or gamers but most people just work on their devices. Keep up the great work.

[@terrym45]

Using Apples iWork is a pleasure and FREE. It is much easy to use for the average user. I have no problem opening "Office" files, editing them then saving them again as "Office" files which I only do if sharing.

[@danielrios7031]

microsoft office works just fine on the ipad !

[@LeeorVardi]

Microsoft has a fully fledged version of Office on iOS, and its cross compatible with all of your files, and they can be opened and edited directly on the Cloud. I don’t know if this includes Access, but it definitely has really good versions of Word, Outlook, PowerPoint, Excel and OneNote

[@joeytatulli1454]

“You’re not gonna want to use these devices for photography.” Apple: 3 camera iPad Pro

[@robot2374]

Lmao

[@HearMeLearn]

The iPad pro 3rd gen has the iPhone XS camera soooo.... It's really not that bad

[@asdf-oh9ob]

Sinus Lebastian you mean xr

[@rgdavetgt680]

asdf Xs and Xr has the same camera it’s just the Xs has an extra telephoto camera

[@HearMeLearn]

@@asdf-oh9ob xs and xr have the same wide angle camera, the xs just also has a telephoto camera, but 2x telephoto cameras on phones are almost useless, you can just crop a regular camera photo and it looks basically the same, sometimes better imo

[@subswithnovideos-kp3ou]

The two devices in a nutshell iPad- A tablet that is capable to important tasks that is for the pc Surface- A touchscreen laptop

[@andreaskaminski6443]

You are funny :-)

[@Soldiershak]

This is a perfect description it's actually sad, The very reason people want a surface is the same thing that holds it back from being a better tablet

[@subswithnovideos-kp3ou]

Emad Ahmed oh yeah, a touchscreen laptop, with a stylus, ok thanks

[@subswithnovideos-kp3ou]

Emad Ahmed po-tay-toe, po-ta-toe same thing

[@khami.30]

This is far from a "laptop"

[@wassup8308]

FINALLY A REVIEW VIDEO THAT DOESN’T HAVE THAT ANNOYING DUBSTEP TECHNO MUSIC IN THE BACKGROUND LMAOO

[@MikeMenchaca.]

Lol

[@TheJjcarl98]

I thought my ipad just died at 7:45

[@RaaghavRahul10]

Throthgaar 😂😂 so did I

[@myahsaundersss2752]

Same😂

[@wan5897]

Throthgaar me too😂

[@Mimikz]

Must be nice 😰

[@haze3256]

Same

[@ClemensAlive]

I'm using the Surface Pro X (with the slim Pen keyboard as in the video) since 1 week now. I can't compare it to the iPad pro, because I dont have one. But everything he says about the Pro X is very accurate. BUT I bought the Pro X BECAUSE I wanted to have a slim laptop with tablet functionalities. Fot me it was switching to a mobile, paperless office. So, even if Win 10 for the surface is a bit clunky till now, I have to say, as a mobile Laptop, it is the best! The Office Suite works perfectly fine on this device. I could not ask for more here. Pro Tip: Set up you Surface Pen to open "OneNote" when pushing the button on top. You will not need to buy paper collega blocks anymore in your life. I LOVE taking notes by hand. But in the last week, the whole mess on my desk is just....gone! I'm running a 5 man business with this device from everywhere and for me it is like switching from cellphone to smartphone! (started up my laptop yesterday and was disappointed, that the screen did not react to my touching!^^ after just one week,) Once you go tablet, you never go back! :D (it is the future. ) Note: I was swotching from a MacBook pro (2015) to the Surface Pro X. I really like Apple ( I also use an iPhone). I dont know how good the iPad pro is in Laptop functionality. But here I was trusting the more boring, business company... If Microsoft wants to go all in on tablet computers, Win 10 and the Appstore will become better very quick. It just has to...

[@SentinelRouge]

ClemensAlive could have bought a master peace laptop with the same price you spent for surface pro x. Surface pro is really laggy like omg why would someone produce something this laggy in 2018

[@softwareluxor7028]

dont buy stupid i have one after using about a month that stupid microsoft broken

[@softwareluxor7028]

i know everyone wants buy because want show off

[@softwareluxor7028]

what u get buy hah?? only can drawing and watch youtube ?? so boring i hate it so i sell

[@KF22TV]

Software Luxor are you talking about surface pro 7 or IPad?

[@RonnieTeeSmith]

Using an iPad in dental school for me has helped so much, being able to airdrop powerpoints to/from my classmates and keep the recordings with it via Notability is the one and only reason I'd need to go with an iPad.

[@YourMajestyTheKing]

Not sure what the Notability app is. Is it a separate app from what you take notes with? Would it quit when ipad run out of ram.

[@RonnieTeeSmith]

Prius Driver It’s an app you have to purchase. It’s like $10-12 or so, but it’s one of the best note-taking apps. I haven’t had any crashing issues in 4 months of daily use. It’s also nice because you can download the app (once purchased) on your phone and you can view your notes via iCloud backup on it.

[@zv3032]

I’m a psychology student and using the iPad and pencil paired with notability is totally amazing. Definitely agree that it was a good purchase.

[@huey1153]

If you don’t think those two tasks are doable on other operating systems, you’re lost lmao

[@milanchacko2095]

All Alone he never said it wasn’t possible. It’s just the best operating system to do it on.

[@williamchisholm2032]

I personally request more 6 second intermissions

[@NoahHerman]

Lmfaooo

[@williamchisholm2032]

Noah Herman 😂😂😂

[@FPJDK]

Noah Herman *Laughing my fucking ass oooff*

[@trenton8998]

@@FPJDK off off off*

[@rohandatta7111]

I can’t see why you would buy the pro x, if you want a laptop you should get a full laptop. The surface pro x is an okay tablet and an okay laptop,

[@hryank33]

Rohan Datta pro 7 is much better at the moment

[@rickylife]

what if you want to do light gaming and also note taking??

[@keyonraissinia6001]

Ricky Life get the ipad lol

[@rickylife]

@@keyonraissinia6001 Can it run GTA san andreas, Prince of persia, need for speed most wanted, call of duty with mouse support? I don't think so.

[@pixsled]

@@rickylife man just buy an ipad and a gaming laptop

[@NKBobcat]

Thanks for being fair. It's two years later and my surface pro x is fantastic. I'm a developer in the Azure space and Power platform and it's ideal for my needs. The LTE is great and it gives me no limits when it comes to connectivity. There are many more 64-bit apps available and I'm running Windows 11 64-bit on it now.

[@hk6926]

Ans iPad with m1 remains a toy

[@johnwooden4766]

Maybe you should do a review. I would like to what other apps you are using and accessories.

[@skilarbabcock]

Says fair comparison, title says "is it even a contest" Makes sense. Also, first are based surface was the Surface RT iirc

[@moudireifan63]

I use my iPad Pro to edit full length videos. I love my Ipad, it’s so useful

[@msp5138]

No one edits videos on a iPad. Consumers use their phones and professionals use a desktop/laptop...

[@RK-um9tu]

If iPads are so useful why have their unit sales plummeted from 73 million in 2013 to 40 million in 2019. And their market share crashed from over 70% to 34%? Would love to hear your asnwer...lol

[@christianpoet7815]

This is a great comparison, not biased and looks at the pros and cons of both devices without the fanboyness of most reviewers... Thumbs up!

[@msp5138]

How is comparing a computer to a big iPhone a "great" comparison?

[@christianpoet7815]

@@msp5138 sorry you see it differently. Have a good day and a good life.

[@tommy-rr7yf]

I agree . I’m having a issue trying to sync my iPad Pro to my Microsoft Surface Pro X . I am trying everything I used one drive I have a solid connection. I’m in Lithuania teaching classes

[@zergougfaycal3972]

I find it a fair comparison especially pointing out that this is the first attempt from Microsoft on arm based processors and there's a room for improvement. You did a nice job there.

[@msp5138]

Please with the nonsense. Have you even tried the SPX? Or do you just listen to people who can't get a real tech job. Windows has 35 millions apps/programs to iPads 1.9 million. Millions more apps can't run on an iPad compared to the SPX. At the end of the day, one is a real computer and the other is a big iPhone.

[@zergougfaycal3972]

@@msp5138 dude chill you literally missed the point. What I'm saying is that is a first gen product I never said the ipad was "better" than the Surface pro x. in contrary I find it amazing what Microsoft is doing with the surface brand. All I'm saying there's still more room for improvements.

[@zergougfaycal3972]

@@msp5138 most of windows programs are based on x86 architecture and what the SPX has a new arm based cpu. So it's true more programs on SPX but they still not work as they do in a surface pro 7 or laptop or any other windows computer. Still Microsoft is doing a great job here and I personally wish to see all windows programs work flawlessly as in any other windows computer.

[@RK-um9tu]

@@zergougfaycal3972 Again do you own an SPX or even SP7? I own both and rarely touch my SP7 anymore. SPX has: 1. bigger screen 2. brighter screen 3. smaller bezels 4. thinner design which makes it easier hold and use for notetaking 5. LTE connectivity 6. longer battery life by 20%-30% 7. no fan because it doesn't get hot 8. runs every program/apps I need except the statistical software SPSS and AMOS (but can run R-Studio) There is a reason Daniel Rubino at Windows Central uses it has his daily drive over every other Windows device.

[@zergougfaycal3972]

@@RK-um9tu well you just solidified my opinion about surface devices, they're amazing but now I'm more then convinced to buy a surface.

[@iliquify]

its like comparing apples with surfaces

[@fancy3774]

I can live without apples but I can't live without surface

[@pixsled]

@@fancy3774 so I guess the doctor with you rn

[@ty_tyti]

@@fancy3774 i’ll just get both 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@LoganT547]

I literally got a Surface Laptop ad before this 😂

[@nic_ccc3366]

Loving your attention to the Surface products (not just ipads 😁). I agree - at this price range, you'll be compromising too much with the X, and you shouldn't have to. Really most people will be better off getting the SP7 instead. If devs finally jump on Windows on ARM it'll be interesting to compare them, but it doesn't seem to be happening unfortunately. Saw the Pro X in store the other day though and Microsoft is killing the hardware side at least.

[@RackaApps]

I thought my phone was dead with at 7:45

[@frozenwizardgaming]

Why u have same comment bruh

[@0hMyGandhi]

What a great review and breakdown! What people need to realize is that the iPad is ridiculously powerful. I am a rather hardcore Microsoft fan myself, but as an illustrator, the iPad Pro has been absolutely tremendous. Virtually no latency with drawing, no parallax, no missed strokes. It's the most responsive "screen tablet" drawing experience I've ever had, and that's having owned a Surface Pro 2 (with Wacom's EMR technology), a Surface Book, and a Surface Pro 3, on top of a plethora of Wacom Intuos tablets and a couple Cintiqs of different sizes. For people who want a digital sketchbook/notebook and the best device for media consumption, the Ipad pro is just an amazing piece of tech. It functions as a "companion device" first and foremost. It will not replace a laptop or desktop. It's getting there with each software update, but if you are someone going to school and need a light productivity workload with office and an actual PC operating system, you can get by with basically any convertible laptop on the market right now.

[@A-ID-A-M]

Oh My Gandhi exactly. I’m an android fanboy, but you can’t argue it. I finally broke down after feeling conflicted and bought one. It’s so fast and speedy and perfect for college. It also works perfectly w my android phone (I still prefer android phones). I got tired on fan problems and hot laptops, and now I’m ready to use this. :)

[@RK-um9tu]

iPads are not personal computers. They are big iPhones that run smartphone apps (only 1.9 million compared the 35 million Windows programs Surface devices can run). They can't run MacOS applications. For this reason they are an inferior product which is why their unit sales have plummeted from 73 million in 2013 to 40 milliion in 2019. And their market share has crashed from over 70% to 34% in less than a decade. You are welcome for the free education...lol

[@AyahDemerdash]

Noah please help me I still can't choose.. I need a device which will help me write notes EASILY which is my main purpose to redeem the usage of papers for notes also I want to use it for work as I am working as Microsoft office and searching online so which one would you recommend me ?

[@liab435]

I have a MUCH cheaper ipad 6, paired with a cover by logitech and the apple pencil- that did cost me around 450€. I use goodnotes for notetaking and as a digital calendar, paint and animate (mostly for fun!) on procreate and have microsoft office for free as a student. I can not recomend it enough! Before that I was a windows user and wouldn't have wanted to buy any apple product but I'm glad I did! 😎

[@steep9695]

The thumbnail is extremely eye taking, great job! 👍

[@lordcorporal4247]

Yeah I thought this Aswell. Thumbnails are easy to make but hard to master its impressive to make one that stands out so much from the thousands I've seen. 👍

[@goldmansachs6412]

The only reason I don't give iPads and iPhones a second look, is the redundant file management system.

[@Minute6080]

Why am I watching this, if I know I won’t get one or be given one

[@reevanamin5865]

Wtf happened in 7:45

[@NoahHerman]

I just LOVE blank black space. It makes me happy and I wanted to share some with you 😂 😅

[@JeremyDeBose]

😂😂😂

[@SoulHorizon1313]

Noah Herman I like it

[@DeepakBhakoo]

Noah, one question. Just like we can have the same phone number and LTE of the iPhone on the Apple cellular watch, can we have the same on iPad cellular too? Or do we have to buy another sim? If it can be done then how?

[@WarAlex16]

Deepak Bhakoo each line has their own numbers. You link the devices because of your iCloud.

[@WarAlex16]

To receive messages, calls, etc.

[@janavi07]

Ipad pro (2019) vs surface pro 7 please!

[@IcanseeeverythingwhatyouDohere]

Its probs iPad Pro (2020) iPad Pro (2019) wont be in this year.

[@hotrod2391]

the ipad pro will be massacred.

[@spencercarruth9706]

There is no 2019 iPad Pro.....

[@traviscrawford6516]

@@hotrod2391 yeah thats a joke

[@nuloom]

the two things are different categories. The valid comparison would be 16" MacBook Pro + iPad Pro vs Surface Pro 7, as Apple doesn't seem interested in making a product that's between the two product lines they already are selling. but then that combination would a) blow the surface pro out of the water because b) it would cost way more. I know we like comparing apples to windows but in all honesty, I feel like this just isn't material for a good comparison, unless the iPad could run macOS and was meant to be a laptop replacement, but it isn't. It has a whole different target market, considering that Apple still sells laptops.

[@ChrisUchiha95]

I’ve got an iPad Pro, but if I could go back I’ll get a surface, the only problem if iPad pro is iPadOS, if it had macOS it would have been perfect

[@lucajramirezb]

iwantlogicproxontheipad :(

[@47crazed]

i love my ipad - loud speakers - 120hz display refresh - p3 color gamut - most accurate and most responsive stylus - works smooth when editing videos - offers high graphics video games - long lasting battery - best camera for scanning documents - offers a lot of useful productivity apps

[@rahmadisatriowibowo7019]

ARM on Windows in 2019; a "big" improvement (over windows rt) but needs to improve even further because windows is supposed to be x86 based OS

[@LizLosingIt]

So you're a brony? Edit : congratulations

[@NoahHerman]

Yep

[@hryank33]

Surface pro X is good at neither at the moment. Surface pro 7 is a better description.

[@Pbeezy4]

@@hryank33 facts

[@jun8297]

Noah Herman what ..?

[@dnevs79]

William Topping lets not start this people. All people have a preferences and prejudices, but not all are racist, though many black, white, Asian, Indian, middle eastern, or whatever are. And to add, while most white individuals are not racist, one cannot deny that preferential treatment does indeed exist... but to that I say ignore the ignorant and confused, and push forward do your best at affecting that which you can (can’t change the minds of close minded people)

[@JeremyDeBose]

Apple has a pencil with no eraser on the end, and Microsoft has a pen with an eraser on the end. 🧐

[@WarAlex16]

Jeremy DeBose dude I know lol

[@mrbig6856]

It's a ink eraser lol

[@kaydreamer]

Way more important than an eraser is the accuracy, sensitivity and ergonomics of the pen. The Apple Pencil absolutely destroys Microsoft’s pens at this. I used a Surface Pro to draw for two years before switching to the iPad. Drawing on the Surface is okay-ish for an amateur without any other options. The Apple Pencil is a pro-level device. The Surface Pro was tedious at best to draw with. The iPad Pro is an absolute joy for illustration. To a professional artist, there is no comparison here.

[@小小达]

When I switch back to normal pen or pencil, I often double touch them accidentally.🤣

[@dibujemaestro]

Great deal! I will buy this shit because of that!!!

[@ravilaf3]

What about the Surface Pro X and Surface Pro 7, is there a key feature that helps me decide between these?

[@LiamGunes]

How does the iPad Pro match up versus the Surface Pro 7 as a tablet? I’m on the other side of the podium and spend lots of time marking documents/models.

[@RK-um9tu]

What are you talking about? SP7 is a computer the size of a tablet? What more do you need to know. Asking how it works as a tablet makes zero sense. The better question is how are iPads was computers?

[@LiamGunes]

@@RK-um9tu Makes perfect sense for my use case. Neither of these work as full on computers for me. For me, iPad or Surface would be for doing things like hand marking assignments, reading e-books, and as support for my workstation.

[@lewisdoyle]

I’m an iPad Pro 12.9” 2nd gen user and I love it. But the power for productivity on the X really intrigued me. It’s a shame that the X isn’t quite there in terms of non Microsoft apps yet otherwise I think it would be the better tablet.

[@RK-um9tu]

You are joking right? Why are earth are you listen to a college kid? Read Daniel Rubino's review at Windows Central and watch his video.

[@MCAQUIN0]

so can the surface pro run full windows software or is it just another chrome book? its description on the website says first web base etc etc..so im curious

[@KRUX006]

Just bought the 2018 12.9 iPad , the 2020 had them drop a bit in price

[@joaomendes1574]

No, there is no contest at all, Surface line has a full desktop OS, point In the meantime you can't even put your fav apps in the "desktop" interface on iPad cause it's full with a drawer of all the apps

[@givemespeed7557]

Noah , if I am medical college student which one should I buy

[@Alex4SiliconValley]

You are right, Putting a desktop OS on a tablet just does not work. The iPad is better thought out , easier to use and more productive.

[@JoshuaRotimi]

Lol

[@gfyGoogle]

That’s also why touchscreen windows computers are gimmicky and pointless

[@bradavon]

Have you tried Edge Chromium or Firefox for ARM? Both should work really well and fix a major use case of laptops.

[@karttavaya]

If the surface had better app support , I wouldn't even have had to think twice before getting it !

[@hryank33]

kartavaya arora I hope developers would get on board.

[@Soldiershak]

I was hoping the same windows also needs to make windows take advantage of tablet screens, I'll wait for the next version, but I'll probably be out of the tablet market by then. I ended up going with the iPad pro and a Galaxy Tab tab S6

[@herooflegend2602]

Just get pro 7

[@RK-um9tu]

What are you talking about? Surface Pros and Xs run over 35 million Windows programs and 1 million apps from the Windows store. iPads run 1.9 million smartphone apps and no MacOS applications.

[@yuut01234]

Does iPad heats up like Surface?

[@humphreyfrancoisastibe]

Hey may I ask if 64gb is enough for an ipad pro if I will use it as my only computer/gadget as a student?

[@flamezyz]

Humphrey François Astibe yeah I’m wondering that as well

[@amritangural8508]

Yes absolutely! Get the 64Gb version and get an external HDD or SSD wired. I got my 64gb version iPad just 2 weeks ago. Bought a hdd, and since new iPad OS supports external storages now there's no need of shelling out hundreds of bucks for extra storage.

[@flamezyz]

Can you send a link to a good one?

[@Soldiershak]

It should be with an external drive and making use of cloud storage. Personally I'd pick 128gbs, but I've lived with 64gbs for years. As long as you don't download movies etc you should be good

[@holycrapitsjake_]

Based on personal experience, seems to me like iPad Pros are incredible tablets and meh laptop replacements, while Surface Pros are okay laptops and okayish tablets.

[@cliffords2315]

Microsoft Surface Pro 7 is superior to both, its an actual PC that is also a Tab

[@holycrapitsjake_]

@@cliffords2315 yeah, after spending 3 years with surface pros, i beg to differ. is it a pc? yes does it do PC stuff equally as well as iPads do iPad stuff? no is the battery life decent while doing PC stuff? no

[@RK-um9tu]

​@@holycrapitsjake_ iPads are not personal computers. They are big iPhones that run smartphone apps (only 1.9 million compared the 35 million Windows programs Surface devices can run). They can't run MacOS applications. For this reason they are an inferior product which is why their unit sales have plummeted from 73 million in 2013 to 40 milliion in 2019. And their market share has crashed from over 70% to 34% in less than a decade. You are welcome for the free education...lol

[@holycrapitsjake_]

@@RK-um9tu I never said iPads are personal computers. I said they’re meh laptop replacements. Learn to read. Unfortunately they still do their intended job better than surface products do theirs, which is why for an “inferior product” with plummeting unit sales (even though anyone with half a brain knows the tablet market as a whole is slowed because nobody replaces theirs every two years) no other OEMs even come close to their “34%” share. Meanwhile surface products have grown like shit over the last decade. Even through a fucking pandemic where tablet and pc sales resurged. You are welcome for the free education lol.

[@steep9695]

Ipad pro got that 120Hz refresh rate tho

[@Mark-uk8wz]

Which is useful for what?

[@ronniemetcalf6382]

Ted it’s easy on the eyes, my guy. As he says, buttery smooth

[@b0ssihabeacancer45]

@@Mark-uk8wz if you're drawing, taking notes, or doing intensive gaming, you're probably really want that smooth 120Hz display

[@apexjailor9349]

b0ss i habe a cancer intensive Gaming on the iPad is common for me frogger looks amazing!

[@gameraddikted]

Ted Fluidity of the device. Makes it more pleasurable to use, easier on the eyes and it can even potentially can save battery life when the refresh is low.

[@m4rvelero]

Mmmmh... 13 inch iPad Pro vs Surface Pro X vs hypothetical 2020 Surface Neo. I love what you're doing Noah 👏

[@mrollets]

What camera do you use for videos?

[@2Evan]

Excellent, objective comparison. Exclusively an Apple products user here, but very important that people have several options. Keeps those companies honest. iWork suite is very good at word processing, worksheets, and presentations. Can open and save your docs in MS Office format if required. Personal choice based on your needs in the end.

[@RK-um9tu]

You are joking right? Who compares a real computer to a big iPhone?

[@Lifeandeverythingelse]

Do you think a 64 gig ipad 11 pro enough for a whole year or 2 of school notes? I'm planning to buy one for my daughter and if a 64 gig is not enough storage I'm afraid she's not the best in keeping external storage. Or are ipad note apps can be stored in cloud storages? I'm an android dad so I'm not very knowledgeable about ios particulary the new ipados

[@david121212v]

It‘s enough I have 2 years of school notes and it’s max 1 gb anyway you can use OneDrive iCloud etc for cloud saving.

[@paradox9265]

Can u do this again in a bit with the Magic Keyboard?

[@JTM1809]

Not even close. There, dear viewers. I’ve saved you 14 mins of your lives.

[@raymondjin6812]

I agree. Like sure, they’re both competing in the tablet space, but the Pro X is first gen hardware, so it’s more so of an experiment to see if ARM is even worth people’s time. The iPad Pro really isn’t anything special, you’re just paying more for the functionality of a iPad because it has a few more features.

[@JTM1809]

Raymond jin Yeah, no. People have known for quite some time, that not only is ARM worth their time (as Intel is years behind on process innovation), but it’s the way to go in the future. We didn’t need Microsoft to join the party late and confirm, that the wheel indeed spins. Tablets are the death of low and mid-spec notebooks, which is a segment, that will cease to exist in a couple of years. Before iPadOS, iPad Pro was pretty much what you said. With iPadOS, the situation has changed dramatically. Pro X cannot compete with iPad Pro. Even though Microsoft gradually learns the trade of premium hardware design, their devices are held down by the worst OS ever invented, that forces them to chuck in more RAM, with the result still being inferior performance (just like Android phones). Pro X will get squarely beaten by 2018 iPad Pro in synthetic as well as real life performance benchmark, meanwhile the next gen iPad Pros are just around the corner. Apple foresaw years ago, that the way to go is silicon and OS custom-tailored for each other. Microsoft joined the game late and they are held down by their dinosaur OS, which they are unwilling to part their way with. Again and again, Microsoft are playing catch-up and inevitably losing, which reflects in their vastly inferior sales figures.

[@JoshManMate]

​@@JTM1809 You lost me at "inferior performance (just like Android phones)". Now i'm not a bias fanboy for Android or Apple but it's very clear to me that you are speaking from 100% bias and not experience, you clearly have no experience with new Androids & Microsoft products & yet hear you are preaching about how Apple is better lol Good luck with that little apple monkey on your back mate. Want to know the biggest difference between Android, Microsoft & Apple users? Apple users spend more time trying to justify their purchases lol

[@JTM1809]

Schwifty Not really, mate. When I spoke of performance, I meant specifically CPU/GPU, because the other guy talked about ARM processors. I did not mean by that, that iPhones outperform Android phones in every aspect (that obviously isn’t the case, see cameras, displays, etc.). iPhones are just consistently better at top CPU/GPU performance benchmarks. I used to use Android phones (specifically Samsung), and I was very happy with them. My Samsung Galaxy S4 had a Super AMOLED display in 2012, which was 5 years before Apple introduced its first OLED phone with big fanfare. Recently, I traveled in business capacity and the local branch of my company provided me with a Samsung phone. And I had a very good experience with it and concluded, that if I ever had to go back to Android, I’d be just fine in terms of daily driving. Which is not something I could say about Microsoft products. And it’s not just my individual ignorant opinion: unlike Microsoft’s inferior HW products, elite Android phone manufacturers (Samsung, 1+, etc.) actually pass the test of the market and run a profitable business, which doesn’t need to be subsidized from other departments of the same company to remain afloat.

[@OsmarMty]

@@JTM1809 >My 2012 Android Phone >Ok, iToddler

[@meepom774]

I have a surface 7 and it is essentially just a Touchscreen laptop, works very well for a last year high school student, I am, however, getting an IPad as well (not the pro but the air3) as a secondary device for more note taking and digital art stuff, both devices are good

[@hotrod2391]

Have you downloaded and used Edge for ARM?

[@floatingdoor]

I know its not the iPad your reviewing but I used the previous gen pro model and I used it to make all my visuals for my music. I sadly busted my screen so I'm in software/hardware limbo. Wish the Surface had more support from devs.

[@bisporoxannekylad.6614]

Eh i’d take the iPad pro any day. Just so much more holdable. Also, Airdrop is so convenient and iPad Pros in general are much more powerful but not gonna lie... the Microsoft Office apps are and will always be part of my school life ♥️ and work in the future ofc

[@motorbikefu5632]

I’m a writer (my job) and I use the iPad Pro largely for the Microsoft office suite, which works better in the iPad apps than the native version in windows. You just have to learn where they’ve hidden all the buttons. Full functionality is there. For instance one of the most common complaints about Word on the iPad is you can’t align embedded images. You actually can, the button just looks different. It took me a week to adapt to the new controls though, so you do have to adapt somewhat.

[@RK-um9tu]

@@motorbikefu5632 Typical lying iTroll. Windows apps do not run better on iPads.

[@RK-um9tu]

Have you heard of snapdrop? And iPad Pros arenot more powerful because they can't run MacOS applications. They can only run smartphone apps...lol

[@aldev6381]

@@RK-um9tu so you think the benchmark isn’t showing that the iPad is more powerful? Lol

[@DJJUUPITR]

@@aldev6381 benchmarks mean nothing in real time usage. Surface pros will always run better programs than ipad.

[@naturecoastmedia9505]

I have the 2018 11in. iPad Pro. With iPad 0s13 It is all I need. Great Video.

[@josephcomboy8818]

Bro thanks for the video. I wanna buy the Surface Pro X but I am from the Philippines. I wanna buy directly from Microsoft and it's only shipping to USA.

[@Yardddy]

I understand why you made a comparison video. And thanks for that... But honestly, there isn't a worthy enough tablet on the market to compete on iPad Pro's level.

[@ttrotary7]

Try hooking it up to a monitor and using it with a keyboard and mouse.... Straight garbage

[@Yardddy]

Marques Oliveira it’s a tablet... not a Mac mini... NEXT!

[@ttrotary7]

@@Yardddy literally the opening line of this video, was about how iPadOS made it so you can "be productive" yea the ipad is a great tablet, burns garbage "laptop replacement" and since Apple keeps advertising as that, it continues to fail. Even the surface go isms million times better than an iPad. Its about a multi function device which the surface is and the iPad is desperately trying to be and failing miserably

[@Yardddy]

Marques Oliveira I’m not here to sell you an iPad dude. Go waste your money on a Surface Pro with your Microsoft office apps. 👌🏾

[@ttrotary7]

@@Yardddy seems you are hellbent on being an apple fanboy. IPad is a good tablet, but a garbage laptop replacement, you know for people who want to do actual work... Not just play angry birds

[@mandesh2433]

Ipad pro has a significantly better camera. That is the same camera from iPhone XR. I have never been an Apple fan, but I am hugely impressed by their pro line up. Amidst all the bend gate issues, it is actually a compelling product for the price especially for college students. Please Apple, provide official mouse input in your next update, not the touch input with the mouse that you have right now.

[@aestheticswithniyah3644]

What gen is this

[@JohnWallace74]

I’ll never purchase another Microsoft ARM hardware product. I purchased the original Surface ARM product in I believe 2012. Within 2 years they declared it a dead product so the few developers that was developing for it stopped, making my Surface a dead product. Do you really want that chance Microsoft will do it again? Don’t purchase any Microsoft arm product, you will regret it’s performance and lack of available software.

[@hydzior]

Its not closed ecosystem like it was on Surface RT. Windows store is not the only source for your apps. Its like fully working windows

[@myronachtman4304]

I would have liked to see a side-by-side cost comparison with the necessary extras (such as a keyboard) included in both configurations.

[@championsgaming1]

i checked it out grtanted two years later. much more worth to get the ipad. because you can pay the same price but get another upgrade in storage in the ipad. to get the same storage ipad is like 3-400 cheaper

[@Iril87]

So Procreate available for surface pro x? 🤔

[@YourMajestyTheKing]

No dude!! It's not even on Android. If you ever read about them, they are not a real software company,. Procreate is like a side gig thus no capacity to support multi-OS. I actually am glad or they might start become subscription software and you know how that goes.

[@lazyman1011]

2:18 surface pen lag is insane compared to the iPad, normally i could switch of but I'll enjoy the rest of the video.

[@sca___lnp929]

Insane ? xD no at all

[@herooflegend2602]

On the pro x it may be but on pro 7 its no noticable

[@RK-um9tu]

How would you know? You are just a iTroll seeking attention. No one reviewers talk about lag on Surface devices. Amazing how much iTroll feel the need to post lies...

[@kristinatavarez9366]

I have an older surface but for some reason Spotify and Netflix don’t work. It says something like “ blah blah blah not for this pc”

[@RK-um9tu]

Warning, Warning, Troll Alert. This is why he can't say which which type of Surface he owns (Pro, X, or Book) and doesn't say the model (SP7, SP5, SB2, etc.)

[@allenslucher8555]

Office 365 makes office a beautiful experience on both. Safari for the pro is now a full desktop class browser, and I’ve loved the new power usage in the web based 365 client. Definitely makes office nearly the same for the pads. My One Drive and iCloud play nicely together, leaving me legitimately no longer needing a real PC. FYI - my own experiences warranted, as I’m more of a creator as opposed to more of a consumer

[@lavinieaaa801]

I was thinking about getting a MacBook Pro and a iPad Pro it’s only $600 more than the surface. Would it be worth it or should I just stick to the surface

[@RK-um9tu]

Only a fool buys two device when you can get one...

[@saifsarhan9519]

Im buying the ipad pro 11 inch but i dont know if it will be worth it to buy the pen because i dont draw or take down notes.... Thanks!

[@geromezapatero2619]

i have the iPad Pro 12.9 but I don’t have the apple pencil

[@frostyarcade]

Does the iPad Pro display have Dolby vision?

[@runcmd1419]

Releasing a premium windows device with no app support, where have i heard that one before?

[@howardskeivys4184]

Excellent review and comparison. Inevitable conclusion. I think the iPad Pro is the most versatile computing device currently available.

[@Soldiershak]

Me too I prefer windows on a desktop or laptop. It's just not optimized for tablet use yet, but iPad took the lead ago I'd probably never go back.

[@RK-um9tu]

translation: i don't know the difference between a real computer and a big iPhone.

[@RK-um9tu]

@@Soldiershak What are you talking about, not optimized for tablet use yet. That makes no sense at all As for iPads their unit sales have plummeted from 73 million to 40 million in 6 years for a reason. There market share a noise dived from over 70% to 34% in 10 years for a reason. They are big iPhones with limited functionality.

[@Justg00gl3it]

Hey, i wanna know which is better when it comes to colour accuracy screen? Anyone?!

[@Mimikz]

Yo homie how did you afford it though???

[@bradavon]

You talked about battery but didn't say how long? :-/

[@HouBMan]

I am about 9 min through the video. The content is fabulous - app out of 10. One suggestion: take a few ads away. I think I’ve watched 3 ads in my 9 min. There is probably a better content to ad ratio than the one you have set up on this video. But that said, GREAT VIDEO!!

[@me2olive]

10:11 Here's what I don't get. A whole bunch of industry press (like Windows Central, etc.) have been invited to various 8cx events where Photoshop in particular was shown off, and they seem to have ALL been really impressed with the performance. The Pro X should be even faster than an 8cx. So why is the performance of this actual product "not great" in practice when it comes to x86 emulation? Was Qualcomm doing something shady in their demos to make performance look better than it really is, or did they cherry pick journalists they knew would give them an easy ride?

[@RK-um9tu]

Since when are benchmarks that have nothing to do with real world preformance meaningful. The question is are iPads computers. The answer is NO. The question is how many smartphone apps can they run, the answer is 1.9 million (compared to 35 million Windows programs for the SPX). Also maybe you shouldn't listen to a college kid who makes KZbin video from his parents liviing room.

[@LW62_Gaming]

My favorite thing about your reviews is that you aren’t out here relying on geek bench scores or 4K rendering for your reviews. They’re in there, but you focus on what MOST people need

[@thuff3207]

The kickstand does not work on airplane tray not good for flying. Thank you for the comparison.

[@aestheticswithniyah3644]

Is this the 3 gen

[@krishnasantosh9999]

How many of you checked whether the audio is in 2x ?

[@YT-ry5zm]

lol, 11:05 do you know windows have a tablet mode? I prefer the surface (pro 7) for a full windows laptop experience when I attach a keyboard or in table mode when I want just handle it with my hands. that's called flexibility

[@Soldiershak]

It's not that good, passable but not there yet

[@Seanvandeusen]

Great video! However if you use mostly Microsoft applications you're best bet is a older surface or pretty much any laptop that has windows. Those applications including Microsoft Office can run flawlessly on pretty much any windows device made in the past 10 years. So rather than pay over $1k for the Surface X your better off buying a cheap laptop or older Surface. Litterally a $299 laptop from Walmart will do the trick. Sadly the surface audience will be mostly people who want something sleek and thin, a tablet to replace their bulky laptops. However in the past 12 months we've seen windows laptops drop in price and become much thinner. Not to mention within 4 hours of owning the Surface X you'll want to buy a keyboard case anyways. If you want something for gaming, editing videos or photos the surface X isn't for you. If you want something that a $299 (with touch screen) windows based laptop can do but want to pay the extra $700 because why not!? Then I'd get the Surface X. The ipad is also limited when it comes to many school and work related things. Many companies have programs they offer that don't support ios. However the gaming library is incredibly big and continues to grow. You can edit 4k video files with no issue and edit large raw photos in photoshop with no problem. Theres youtubers who live off the ipad pro series. This is one of those weird Microsoft devices that's priced high but doesnt perform well with anything other than windows applications.

[@kgthegent]

If you could only have one accessory for iPad Pro (pencil vs smart folio), which one would you rather have??

[@NoahHerman]

Pencil for sure!

[@mrt.7146]

Pencil all the way!

[@YourMajestyTheKing]

For me, the biggest issue with microsoft laptops or tablets is that my company only support Microsoft Comp Portal for iOS and Android for non-work devices. So iPad win no matter what here.

[@stephena347]

I really enjoy your reviews. Keep up the great work!

[@14thegr8]

"If you're someone who's really involved with Microfost ecosystem" ........Microsoft has an ecosystem?

[@Yardddy]

ATJ 😂😂😂 I actually had to Google it... Search was damn near a fail... 😩

[@NoahHerman]

I meant more like a software ecosystem my bad ☠️

[@Soldiershak]

Software, Microsoft office as an example

[@jackgunn1480]

There are far more legacy windows apps available than iOS apps in the apple store. So ya, there's an ecosystem, and it blows the Apple ecosystem out of the water.

[@bluefox174]

Yes that’s what the surface line is. The surface keyboard,mouse,headphones and pen work best with surface devices

[@helly9015]

if you need to do some serious work the surface x will be better despite weaker cpu permormance. Ipad is a great tablet but not a great work computer on the go

[@garretttamez7656]

I would only get a full surface vs the x. I am extremely reliant on more intense programs only available for desktops, and while the iPad is slick and fast, just does not have the same software capabilities

[@flavioherrera7488]

Somethings it sounds like it sound like he doesn’t know what he is talking about

[@NoahHerman]

Well could you maybe give us an idea about these "somethings" lmao

[@bat2718]

Maybe it says "sometimes"?? Idk lol

[@reallycarson]

I think the surface pro x is an excellent device. Windows added ARM support a while ago and developers didn't take it seriously so Microsoft released a ARM surface pro so devs would take ARM more seriously.

[@greyfriar9008]

Microsoft a e doing well with regard to hard wear so they really need to crank out a LOT more apps for their ecosystem. Once they wake up and do they will be a rival to Apple.

[@jackgunn1480]

Don't underestimate the value of legacy Windows apps which are not found in the store. Things like QuickBooks, Photoshop, Paint Shop Pro, MS Office Suite, Steam, etc.

[@herooflegend2602]

What about the surface pro 7? That has full Windows and 10th gen intel and up to 16gb ram

[@carterdotn3083]

Would the Surface Pro 7 beat the iPad pro? It's basically a Surface Pro X but it has a slightly outdated design and full windows app support, right?

[@RK-um9tu]

Every single computer tablet on the market beat an iPad Pro because iPad's ain't computers. They are iPhones that only run smartphone apps.

[@marisalucian9490]

Unfortunately, many of the programs I need for work simply don't run on mac, much less IOS. So it's definitely not a contest for me.

[@Sashashka]

The front facing camera on the Surface is absolute trash lol Looks like a webcam you’d use in 2005 for MSN.

[@Jfofito]

Not sure how I feel about making a tablet into a laptop. The keyboard is perfect for school and work - but it’s a tablet that’s meant to be used with your hands. I love how apps are optimized for tablets, If I want a laptop experience with a laptop layout with laptop apps? Then I’ll get a laptop and not compare it to tablets.

[@hotrod2391]

no contest that ipad wins because it has been so long in the market now. The Surface Pro X needs time for it to cook properly as the apps are getting ready. What I want is a Frankenstein monster a PC with both Intel and AMD CPU.

[@RK-um9tu]

What are you talking about? iPads only run 1.9 million smartphone apps (none of which are MacOS apps). SPX runs 35 million computer programs and 1 million apps from Windows store. iPads ain't computers, they are just big iPhones...

[@JohnArmwood]

It would have been nice if you had discussed the new file management features added in IOS 13 and well as the IWorks suite which I greatly prefer to Microsoft Office. Pages and Keynote I see as far superior programs to their Windows components; I have used both simultaneously for over a decade. I prefer Numbers to Excel because it's visual interface is easier on my mature eyes though if you have to use spreadsheets with Excel formulas you may need to use Excel. Not all of these work in Numbers.

[@cr0okedcr0w30]

John Armwood: i understand what you say, but the entire world uses msOffice! And if u need to share and edit any documents, here comes the pain! iPad has Microsoft office app tho. Doesn’t work so well but at lest better than nothing!

[@RK-um9tu]

Dude, please stop making these comparison videos because you clearly are just an Apple fanboy. iPads unit sales have plummeted from 73 million in 2013 to 40 million in 2019. iPads market share has noise dived from over 70% to 34% in a decade. Why? because iPads are not computers they are big iPhones that run smartphone apps They can't run MacOS applications so their functionality is extremely limited (can only run 1.9 million iPhone apps) And let know forget about the crap file management system, no microSD slot, no 1080p webcam, etc. No one edits video/photo on a tablet. Regular people use a smartphone/professionals use high-powered laptops/desktops SPX is a real computer SPX runs over 35 million Windows programs SPX runs over 1 million Windows store apps (when you include Google and Amazon) SPX can run full version of Adobe apps and full vervison of MS Office (iPads can't) No rational person would buy a big iPhone over a real computer

[@gehteuchnichtsan7911]

Really honest and fair comparison. Nice work.