Microsoft Windows 11 is going to create a MOUNTAIN of e-waste!

Windows 11 is an e-waste disaster in the making. Microsoft Windows 11 is going to create a MOUNTAIN of e-waste! What do you think? What are you going to do with Windows 10 machines? #RANT #windows11 #ewaste
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[@fecklesstech929]

As a Linux user, I'm looking forward to the price collapse for used computers that don't support Windows 11.

[@kensmith5694]

Yes, and you may get some for free. If you do you can make working systems and give them away

[@sihamhamda47]

It's already happening in some cases. I've seen many used good condition Thinkpads with 7th gen Intel Core being sold for barely over 100 dollars in online stores recently Yes, just 100 dollars, for mint condition Thinkpad with a fairly good processor that can't update to Windows 11 because it lacks TPM 2.0 support

[@clockworkvanhellsing372]

​@@sihamhamda47 Mine has a 2.0 tpm, but win 11 doesn't support 7th gen U processors (even the i7 ones).

[@beardsntools]

of course you are broke as a linux user lmao. Enjoy your useless 8 year old pc.. with an equally useless OS xD

[@beardsntools]

@@clockworkvanhellsing372 Because it doesn't have required cpu instructions. another problem is the security bug in series 8 and older intel cpus.

[@Epic3032]

And microsoft claims to be "carbon neutral" LOL

[@lukecwolf]

Windows 11 even forces notifications to help reduce your carbon footprint. Those who weren't fooled in the 90s aren't fooled now.

[@blastshieldaddiction]

Indeed. Its just a catchphrase to make government stooges and liberal folk feel better about their purchases. Also, I'm sure their ESG score stays put, as well.

[@Aranimda]

Windows Update is committed to helping to reduce carbon emissions.

[@integerofdoom69]

Oh good. Now carbon is bad. When will the scams end?

[@TiberianFiend]

"Carbon neutral" is a scam. Big corpos buy tracts of land in the middle of the rainforest that weren't going to be cut down anyways and claim they were "saved."

[@firestormjupiter]

Having support for very old hardware and software USED TO be one of windows’ greatest defining features and a very suitable excuse for having such old legacy UI, but they decided to throw that out of the window.

[@GoldnPea]

In favor of AI features

[@jackkraken3888]

Except they could still have a new UI on top to make it look newer. It didn't have to look like Windows 10 UI that was a deliberate choice and Windows 7 proved you could change the UI in different ways and it could work. Then windows 10 came up and said take this UI and the only thing you can change is the color

[@What_do_I_Think]

The Linux operating system has MUCH BETTER support for old hardware FOR DECADES already. You stated an absurd argument (maybe you were only thinking about Apple as alternative)

[@jackkraken3888]

@What_do_I_Think Actually I think you are mistaken. Windows has some of the best hardware and software support bar none. I have used DOS era software on Windows 10 32 bit and it worked,plus installed parallel port based dot matrix printers and they worked flawlessly with the generic text driver. Right now I'm using a parallel port based Epson thermal printer and it worked (of course you needed to install drivers but it works) Apple used to run on power PC CPUs so they don't even count since those apps will not work unless ported or emulated. Sadly Windows 10 is the last one have published a 32Bit port

[@What_do_I_Think]

@@jackkraken3888 I do not care about what Windogs can do -- the drivers for Windogs come mostly from the producers of the Hardware. It is called "Monopoly" -- look it up. Fact is, that old hardware MOSTLY runs faster and better with a Linux system than with Windogs --- and I do not care, what new graphics card or new XXX adapter is only running on Windogs, bc the manufacturer only cares about Windogs.

[@Lord-Sméagol]

Windows 11 requirements: 1 GHz or more 2 or more cores 64-bit CPU 4 GB RAM 64 GB storage Those should be the ONLY requirements! The rest should be optional ... for people who don't mind paying for the extra electricity to power CoPilot and Recall to ONLY BENEFIT Microsoft ! If a dual core Celeron can cope, then clearly, my i7-3930K and E5-2697-v2 are still overkill ! The only way I would buy a CPU with e-cores is if Windows can be confined to them, leaving ALL the p-cores for MY EXCLUSIVE USE! These STUPID and ARTIFICIAL requirements are simply there to generate more new PC sales, which will need a new Windows License !!! This is just plain and simple blatant GREED by Microsoft !!! 2025 will be a great year for people to move to Linux.

[@233kosta]

@@Lord-Sméagol I wonder how much cheap second hand hardware this will create 🤔

[@GladeSwope]

Recall? Also known as Windows 1984? Remember when Mr. Gates promised nobody would ever need more than 128k of memory?

[@henryfleischer404]

My laptop I got for free because my school didn't want it any more almost meets those specs, aside from storage (it has 50GB). It's 10 years old, and I got it about 5 years ago, near the end of high school.

[@knrz2562]

@@233kosta;( ;/😢

[@Bob-of-Zoid]

I ditched Windows when I read the W10 EULA before it was even released, and was almost done converting any files made by proprietary software when the first "Install windows 10 prompt tried to strong arm me into doing so! I dealt with the drawbacks of learning Linux and having Windows to fall back on, by not having Windows to fall back on; I broke all of my Windows install media (3.1 to XP, home, media and pro, NT's and all) too, to make sure! I forced myself through Linux boot camp! I found it the best way to learn Linux, and it was the right decision, I soon found out why Linux is so much better. Now if only way more hardware and software companies made their stuff Linux compatible, and the real ones to be blamed as well as why so many Windows users blame Linux for it which is bogus, Linux has no say on the issue, and Microsoft built their empire on partnering with other a-holes, exclusivity contracts and the like, to kep other OS's down, or put them out of business! The time Windows users spend to try to hack it into submission, the frustrations of it trying to think for you and doing a terrible job at it, the way updates and software's work which is a huge time waster and even worse: The user is the product, and they insidiously train them to be, are no less frustrating than learning how to use Linux, probably a whole lot less, and you had to learn Windows too, so the complaints about doing so are all bogus, including the hardware incompatibility claims (better in Linux now), and software compatibility claims: Linux has nothing to do with the makers decisions! It's not at all hard, nor impossible to port apps to Linux, they just don't do it, and well to do it if not the maker is all kinds of breaking the law, so the maker either has to, or open source it, because Linux developers would get right on it!

[@narenchris711]

Meanwhile, Microsoft brags about windows updates helps to reduce carbon emissions. Now, if Microsoft actually allow old devices to get windows 11 instead of going to e-waste and get disposed, which one will reduce carbon emissions more?

[@erkinalp]

They actually eliminated lots of backwards compatibility in Windows 11. Not just a hardware divide but software too. They always wanted to clear legacy Win32 and Spectre mitigations, this generation of hardware just gave them the business opportunity to do that switch. It's hard to code against 50 years of backwards compatibility baggage (starting from Unix v6 and CP/M, far before MS-DOS), and Windows 11 24H2 just happens to shed 40 years off of that (now starting from .NET 4.x and Windows 7 level Win32 instead).

[@233kosta]

@@erkinalp One by one they remove ties which kept people addicted to their OS. They be makin' it so that there are absolutely no downsides for the regular person switching to linux. Because the w11 "upgrade" has the same issues and more.

[@233kosta]

@@narenchris711 Oh they don't get to claim anything about emissions. Not for as long as fedora linux uses HALF the power under typical load scenarios.

[@erkinalp]

@@233kosta you should instead switch to reactos, a free open source reimplementation of windows

[@valenrn8657]

@@erkinalp Ryzen 3 3200U and Ryzen 5 2500U are the same 14 nm Zen 1.0 APUs. Only rename Ryzen 3 3200U has Windows 11 support.

[@guaiqueritech]

I’m surprised the EU has not already come forward demanding some workaround from Microsoft. Considering hardware is more expensive in Europe than in the US, having to ditch a perfectly usable computer will impact a lot of people’s finances , in addition to the environmental impact.

[@tasty-science-channel]

It is actually beneficial more linux adoption. One of the reasons I switched to linux(ubuntu) was windows end of support!

[@guaiqueritech]

@ indeed, but 90% of people holding on to older devices are not technically minded, and are more likely to want to stick to what they know (Windows)

[@axethepenguin]

Probably because the consumer isn’t forced to use Windows - there are ways to get Windows 11 (unofficially) and other OSes - they’d just argue that

[@guaiqueritech]

@@axethepenguin some programs are Windows-only; therefore, the compulsion to use Windows comes built into that need.

[@axethepenguin]

@@guaiqueritech I see where you’re coming from but I don’t exactly know what would be debated

[@autohmae]

You see e-waste, I see Linux machines.

[@Evilatem]

2:57 "people like knowing where things are" Tell that to Microsoft who keeps changing the f***king right click drop down menus in EVERY VERSION OR UPDATE TO THE OS! What used to be a single click is now 3 menus deep. Windows 11 is so different from Windows 10 you might as well just start over with Linux Mint. It's honestly MORE familiar than Windows 11 as it is closer to Windows 7/10.

[@integerofdoom69]

The constant convolution of the UI really pisses me off.

[@CantankerousDave]

The first thing I tracked down after getting my first Win11 machine was a way to fix that stupid multi-click context menu crap.

[@bryede]

And how many man-hours are lost every year to upgrading and retraining entire companies on the latest and pointless Microsoft redesign? Stuff that's been working fine has to be thrown in the garbage because no one but Microsoft can patch a vulnerability. But hey, now my label printing workstation can take 3 second screenshots all day!

[@marcfuchs6938]

Thank you for delivering feedback, that I shall soon install Linux Mint on my old laptop and finally start to put my feet into the waters of Linux to be leaving the waters of Microsoft in the future completely. Microsoft is a shitshow and with all the stunts they are pulling these days (and it'll only get worse), it is the absolute best idea to leave them. At least cutting all connections to them. Not all of my necessary software has a Linux version, so I'll stay with W10 on my 2 work-desktops, but as soon as it is out of support, using those machines solely offline, while always having the Linux desktop running by the side for anything online related. A complete Windows offline experience is the best way to enjoy it, I believe.

[@glynnetolar4423]

I wish someone would do research on just how much productivity is lost in all the crap Microsoft pulls. From UI changes, passwords getting screwed up, Windows updates during the day, the list could go on.

[@kevinharrigan2727]

I think I’m going to start installing Linux Mint on my friends, family and coworkers computers. I’m a big environment guy and the idea of Microsoft just deciding “Everyone needs a new computer because we said so!!!!111” is disgusting. I already installed Linux Mint on my dad’s and my coworkers laptops and so far they haven’t had any issues, and both of which are tech Neanderthals. I hope us computer nerds can save at least a few computers from the trash.

[@enginerd80]

Are you sure they're getting all the necessary updates, though? In my understanding you can't get the updates install automatically -- instead, several clicks are needed to install them. This is my main concern when everything _seems_ to be working fine for someone who doesn't understand about computers.

[@michaeldemers2716]

I am running Mint Cinnamon and using Libreoffice in safe mode and configure Disable Hardware acceleration to make old crap that doesn't work anymore finally work.

[@LubosHozzan]

​@@enginerd80 I am sure. Try to search something like "unattended-upgrades". For daily desktops it is perfectly usable, on server it is risky, but possible ...

[@davemason2290]

I have loaned a friend a old laptop that I was trying Debian on. I put the Cinnamon Desktop on and she thinks its great. She hasn't go a clue about computer stuff and just wants something to work. She's had the laptop for 6 months now and hasn't had a complaint. With regards to updates, I update the laptop every month but I keep showing her the process and she's starting to understand. If she can understand there is hope for everyone.

[@kevinharrigan2727]

@@enginerd80 Absolutely! I’ve done my best to explain the update process to them and that if they need help to give the laptop to me and I’ll do it. I just want people to have a simple OS and it seems like every OS maker just wants the most complicated shit possible. Its annoying af

[@Mirra2003-f9s]

There actually is an official Windows 11 version that has no requirements,no bloatware and is lightweight. That would be Windows 11 LTSC IoT but it's not accessible to regular consumers,just corporations. You can obtain it on the internet but there is no way to activate it in legal ways...only via the Powershell script

[@John.Doe.X1]

I've been using LTSC editions since Win10 LTSB 2015 came out and since that I can't go back to consumer editions. That being said, if the PC has really old hardware, it doesn't matter if you use LTSC, you're not gonna be happy using it.

[@My_Old_YT_Account]

No it still has the artificial CPU requirements, the true source of the e-waste problem

[@corey7219]

​@My_Old_YT_Account I just got a dell latitude e6410 2 days ago for $35. 1st gen intel core i5 420 processor. It has the cpu requirements to run windows 11 24h2 unofficially. Unlike my e6400, 2 years older, but it had an Intel core 2 duo p9700 processor. Both have been great machines (the e6400 for 7 years)

[@marcfuchs6938]

Who cares to go a legal way of activating it, when the only thing Microsoft is giving you in a regular way, is spyware anyway? I would deactivate it whatever way there is, but I have no desire in W11 at all, why would you, when using W10. And once support is over, I keep running W10 fully offline, with a Linux laptop to the side for online stuff.

[@Mirra2003-f9s]

@@marcfuchs6938 I agree with you but there's still lots of people who don't wanna activate it by command. It's not about Windows 10 update support but when apps will stop working on 10 you won't have much choice but to upgrade to 11 if you game or use Windows specific apps

[@stevejohnson1321]

Partially "windows" exists to sell new hardware. It's the deal micro-softie has with the OEMs. Unless you want to run commercial software, FOSS treats you better.

[@jedipadawan7023]

Add to that, we are now dealing with the "Google" generation who ONLY use online software - Google apps, Canva, etc, and have no idea what offline apps or storage are. For real. For these users the OS is irrelevant. If they can "Do google" then Linux is an A1 alternative to Windows. Seriously, I am dealing with endless users who literally have no idea what an offline application IS!

[@Cyrillium]

It's all about security. If it wasn't for those meddling kids hacking the bios chip.

[@233kosta]

Even when running commercial software, FOSS has now become a much better experience. Or rather, proprietary software has been enshittified to the point where the drawbacks of FOSS look rather welcoming in comparison.

[@233kosta]

​@@jedipadawan7023 Yes, for most people an OS is just a bootloader for a web browser.

[@stevejohnson1321]

A couple of my "windows" applications run better under wine than they did under "windows" 2000. To me that was the last tolerable version. I wasn't the only one who noticed. It's just a resource hog with the primary focus on profit.

[@iiisaac1312]

"Linux is free if you don't value your time" - Person tossing out a $1,000 laptop (and the time it took to earn that money) and buying a new one for Windows 11.

[@hellowill]

I waste more time on Windows than Linux these days lmao.

[@arnorobinwerkman]

Linux saved me time by letting me update when I want too, and not making my machine unusable while its updating

[@D.von.N]

@@hellowill my journey to Linux started after having to troubleshoot Windows update error message this year, extending recovery partition and eventully reinstalling the whole 💩 anyway. There I got a feel for cmd and powershell, and said to myself that I could as well use terminal. And I do now, and I love it. And that made me to refurb my old vista laptop, now Wilma, plus another second hand Win11 laptop, now LMDE and a VM with Win11, if I ever needed it, merely for learning purposes. I have spent a lot of time learning and working with linux, but it was time and money well spent for future benefit and independence from the monopoly bully. I feel equipped with skills and knowledge I would otherwise never have and a sense offreedom, which is invaluable. I can fix my computers, upgrade, improve and enhanced backing up practices, which most standard users neglect. Cloning a disk via rescuezilla is a bliss and BIOS/UEFI is no longer a scare to me.

[@m-w-y7325]

@@arnorobinwerkman tell a Mac user to switch to Linux from his 5000$ unrepairable MacBook and I'll see you both beat eachother up with your brand loyalty like a bunch of stuck up idiots. People use things according to what's easier for them, not according to what company and some nerds say is good for them, this is the reason most people don't want install Win11 by using bypassing methods cause it feels not okay to them, you cannot change their minds.

[@filipflidr2654]

Linux isn't consumer friendly. Android is an exception.

[@JessicaFEREM]

Get ready for October 2025 when you can get mountains of laptops cheap because they can't run the latest OS. Many Linux users will probably also be made.

[@kensmith5694]

Yes, I think a worthy project is to grab a bunch and install Linux Mint and then give them away.

[@erkinalp]

​@@kensmith5694Or ReactOS

[@FireFoxDestroyer]

It has already created tons of ewaste for 3 years, and it’ll create gigatons after 2025.

[@samuraiwarriorsunite]

I find it interesting that the people who yell the loudest about protecting the environment are often the very ones doing the most to impact it.

[@ElderSnake90]

Reminds me of the saying, something like "He who preaches the loudest, often has the most to hide".

[@k.b.tidwell]

@@ElderSnake90 and lest we forget our schoolyard roots, the old favorite, "you smelt it, you dealt it!"

[@Itsgone99]

​@@k.b.tidwelltbf the environmental question, especially in mfg workplaces has suffered a lot from this... I wonder how many nay-sayers or wishy washy people with the lightning of ideas who were really right especially in their time were shot down by this assumption.

[@rwdplz1]

My i7-7700K runs everything just fine, but Microsoft says no.

[@sihamhamda47]

And yet the laptop with Celeron N4000 that has 95% less performance than i7 7700K and even struggles to open MS Office are eligible to receive Windows 11 upgrade

[@ABizzyBYT]

Been using Linux on an old laptop for over a year and what a difference it made. It started life as a Windows 7 machine and became really sluggish under windows 10. Linux Mint changed that and I use it almost every day for various tasks. It's like a trusty 'Swiss Army Knife' now. I have another more powerful win 10 laptop that can't go Win11. That is also going Linux next year. That thing should fly! I have a Win 11 Desktop and Laptop but if Microsoft plays these silly games with Win12 that will be the end of my relationship with Microsoft forever. For those unsure about Linux, give it a try! It's really not as scary or nerdy as you think and with Valve/Steam backing Linux due to the steam deck, gaming on it is really easy.

[@arnorobinwerkman]

@@ABizzyBYT when i buy a machine, i dont even boot in windows not even once, out of the box straight to bios to change boot order, than straight to my usb device to wipe and install linux.

[@LubosHozzan]

I using linux from WinVista (WinXP was really great) and I am sure, that I NEVER (!!!) return to the WIndows or any M$ products due to this "planning aging". It seems, that M$ only want to sell anything - there are plenty of problems, witch are unsolved many years. But when comes to Copilot, this feature was integrated really quick. Fine! If M$ want to do this "dirty tricks", let them to do it without us 😁. Without me definitely 😇.

[@Mobin92]

For older Windows 7 laptops Linux usually is much less effort to get running. Especially things like the TouchPad drivers.

[@guessundheit6494]

Keep Lose10 on the more powerful laptop, but use it offline only and run two machines. Moving data to an internet PC or laptop is easy.

[@PistonAvatarGuy]

I've been using Mint for 5 or 6 years now on my main computer, I have almost no complaints. It also turns out that MS is still finding ways to upset me. I have an old Windows 7/XP computer that I keep around, and I made the mistake of updating Windows 7 recently, now it runs slower and it doesn't recognize my graphics card drivers. What a turd of a company.

[@stevealdridge9720]

If I can use Linux anyone can. 8 years since saying goodbye to windows

[@Quest3Games]

Using is easy. Installing programs is the hard part and that's when all those errors start to pop up when a program you're installing doesn't install successfully.

[@1pcfred]

@@Quest3Games if you install things right there will be no problems. Knowing how to install to avoid problems is the trick though I suppose. Your overall strategy should always be to avoid tainting the system with 3rd party software. You do that by installing into your home directory regardless of what instructions may suggest you do. Just do something wiser. Ultimately your system is your personal responsibility. So take your responsibility seriously. Linux is not Windows. So don't run Linux like you'd run Windows. Put more thought into it. To that end find out about ~/bin, LD_LIBRARY_PATH, shell script wrappers and how soft links work. Those are your weapons and armor.

[@marcfuchs6938]

I think, this argument is fully valid at least today. Using nothing but Windows for 20 years now, but it's finally time to get rid of their garbage.

[@kensmith5694]

@@Quest3Games I have never (not once) had any problem installing any program onto my Linux Mint box and I have a huge number of things installed.

[@acreguy3156]

It's not *odd* that MS refuses to release a light version of W11 for older machines. It's just another example of some corrupt American court judge (likely on the MS payroll for life now), declaring that MS didn't have a monopoly. Remember MS's famous line, "Windows 10 will be our last operating system." We've been had.

[@disconnectedfromtheuniverse]

Those are perfect Linux laptops

[@kaminekoch.7465]

Most of the old laptops have no drivers on Linux. I bet two of those three are unusable with any modern Linux distribution and at least one of them never worked to begin with.

[@NeoNine10]

@@kaminekoch.7465 definitely not true. There can be some rare cases where a component such as a wifi chip or a webcam doesn’t work. Sure that can be the case sometimes, but a lot of older laptops are very compatible. I have two netbooks from around 2008 that work with Linux, and my friend’s old Win 7 laptop runs Ubuntu, the mother’s 2016 Chromebook also running a modern Debian distro. All working. I even have an old 2011 iMac currently running Manjaro, and everything works even the wifi and sd card reader. Updates all up to date.

[@rmcdudmk212]

​@@kaminekoch.7465not I'm my experience. Usually the only driver issues I've had is installing broadcom wireless drives. And I've installed many different Linux distro on many different laptops. 👍

[@somethingiknow26]

@@kaminekoch.7465have you ever used linux? Linux contains all sorts of drivers also last year it still supported intel 8066 cpus

[@argvminusone]

​​@@kaminekoch.7465 Linux traditionally had a problem with _new_ hardware, not old. And these days, it usually doesn't have a problem with new hardware, either. The person you're replying to is correct: these are perfect Linux laptops.

[@Revivify]

I feel it's going the same with technology that it did with cars. They succeed in making efficient, reliable products that the consumer wanted. Then they realised that people didn't need to buy the latest and greatest thing. So they designed things to fail, made them prohibitively expensive to repair when they did. Look at all the perfectly useable cars that were destroyed in the scrappage scheme, now a lot of people lease cars and never own them, constantly getting newer models. It'll be the same with tech. Got to keep the money coming in with subscriptions. What is cloud computing if not renting someone else pc

[@MegaManNeo]

It's like with that 100 years old light bulb that is still doing its job in some fire department in NYC. Cars too became computers for the premise of comfort - which is true - but that also made those tools unnecessary more expensive and unreliable as less and less people can actually fix them. And governments don't do anything about it because of money.

[@marcfuchs6938]

So very right, both with computers and cars. With computers, sometimes your choices are limited, since you are forced to go with times to some degree, but with cars, not so much. I really like my 2007 van, it got all the essentials, but what it doesn't have is unnecessaringly complicated electronics and stuff, that will break and cost a fortune to repair, and it doesn't have any annoying assist systems, which keep nagging on you with shit I already knew yesterday. Smart cars are nothing that I see any desire in. The dumber the car, the better. Because I want to have full control over the car - with modern vehicles, you never do. The electronics have the control, and you are lucky if they do exactly do what you tell them sometimes.

[@dont-want-no-wrench]

and cars are complex now to the point of almost being unrepairable

[@supersaiyaman11589]

well i had my old computer with the original os for 8 years than i bought a new one and gave my old one to my cousin.

[@vojtechadame5860]

Well, no Windows anymore for me. I have already installed Linux on two of my three machines. (I have one desktop and two laptops.) I can do even highly specialized work on Linux like using a PC oscilloscope, creating PCBs, 3D printing or programming microcontrollers. And yes, I'm an electrical engineer.

[@batmanatkinson1188]

I will stick to Windows 10 LTSC for a few years

[@stackedboxes-de4uk]

what software do you use for 3d printing on linux ?

[@vojtechadame5860]

@@stackedboxes-de4uk Prusa Slicer

[@marcfuchs6938]

Same here, I have finally decided to dip into Linux, and the more confident I get with it, the more of my 4 machines will get Linux on them. I am still a tiny bit scared about what is to come, but with Linux receiving more love than ever and countless tutorials popping up, I think it will be completely fine after a short while. As much as I used to be a Windows fan in XP times, I might really grow into a Linux fan. Starting to nag on my friends with Windows machines to also switch. =)

[@kensmith5694]

I have a stand alone scope I do PCB creation I do 3D printing I do microcontroller stuff I do video creation I do audio work I do photo editing I do scientific computing and I even watch cat videos This is all on a Linux system

[@joemccarthy641]

Not in my house. I upgraded RAM in my laptops and replace older slow hard drives with SSDs. I'm currently running MX Linux and Zorin OS on these older PCs. I expect them to remain useful for years to come. I'm starting to avoid companies that drop support for their own devices after a few years. This planned obsolescence is intolerable.

[@peterixxx]

Yep. Funny thing is, usually they drop support for hardware on windows, but it keeps working on Linux Example of that is older integrated GPUs from Intel. If you ask them to fix bugs in their drivers on windows, they just tell you the part is EOL and ignore your request. It gets fixed and works on Linux just fine.

[@Charted]

Just use rufus to install as it gives you the option to bypass unessesary minimum requirements. Windows 11 would work flawlessly, regardless of the age and can be activated easily too.

[@Arthres]

I can confirm that this works. There is no hassle with updates either. Just won't work on something like AMD Phenom or Core 2 but anything newer works.

[@someguywithayoutubechannel5430]

This is true, but a lot of people won't be bothered, or won't even know this is an option

[@John.Doe.X1]

@@someguywithayoutubechannel5430 People who know this solution and don't bother using it aren't average normie, it's next level normie.

[@arnorobinwerkman]

@@Arthres i dont know if its true or not, but i have heard that ms in the futere wil be blocking win 11 installs on such devices from receiving updates further down the line.

[@xentiment6581]

​@@Arthres ironic cause c2q is what i use and id rather die than buy new pc just for windows 11

[@anurasenarathna1703]

Already switched to Linux Mint. Unless you have very specific software requirements, its a perfect solution for day to day general purpose use. With modern Linux versions, you do not need to use Command line (of course can become a power use if you know it well) for daily work.

[@Ironrocker69]

Same thing I did for my 10 year old HP Pro desk 600 G2 desktop run great and is great for a "Daily Driver"

[@kensmith5694]

Yes, the key is "what do you want to do" not "what program do you want to run". I have perfectly good office software its name just doesn't start with "Microsoft". I have lots and lots of other things that do stuff.

[@luisx8619]

The same thing is happening with smartphones, tablets, and all devices that get stuck with old android versions although their hardware is very capable to run newer versions

[@marcfuchs6938]

You name it, my daily driver is the same for 7 years. Got the Samsung Galaxy Note 8 brand new in 2017 and never had a reason to upgrade. It's got enough processing power, so that everything still runs instantly, and while it's 6GB RAM might be a lot less than what current phones have - it's still absolutely enough for anything, if you don't happen to let open programs sit in the background forever. I never ran out of RAM. I am sure it could run anything, but being stuck on Android 9. So far I don't have an issue with that, because surprisingly, I did not have any compatibility issues with this old version, but it will come eventually. But with a somewhat long support time and a support from the software makers for older Android versions, I don't see a big problem in that. I mean, 7 years is basically ancient for a phone, no matter how sensical it is to stick to it. Normally, phones don't last so long in technical means, my Note 8 basically seems to be a more modern version of a Nokia brick - it has gotten dropped numerous times to hard surfaces, has gotten used in rain many times, endured all kinds of high and low temperatures and was even opened by me to get a new battery. It's certainly not waterproof anymore, but other than that, it works exactly like day 1, hasn't let me down a single time and didn't get any compatibility issues so far. I say all that kinda like a counter point to the argument, that you artificially can't use newer versions on phones even when they are capable - because it doesn't matter. Usually these devices die before compatibility is an issue. And after my Note 4 died within 2 weeks after the 2 year warranty, I certainly didn't expect the Note 8 to go strong for 7 years and counting. If it dies on me tomorrow, it has earned it's peace.

[@redhorsereincarnated]

I don't know if you meant it as sarcasm but I want to clarify that Bill Gates is definitely not trying to save the world. He wants it to appear that way but he is doing some very shady things.

[@arthurmann578]

Was thinking that exact same thing. He is really an evil pr*ck! 👹

[@Tim5corpion]

Bill Gates isn't Microsoft's current CEO though...

[@johnwong5317]

Chinese Wuxia has plenty of these types of people, appear righteous and always talk about "protect the weak", but behind the scene is one of the sliest and most evil ever.

[@OctavioGaitan]

Microsoft doesn't care. It's only about the money to them.

[@alucardhellsing9640]

Always has been sad world we live in..

[@marcfuchs6938]

Which is a general rule with any mega corporation. They don't care about the environment, they don't care about the users, they only care about the profit. Microsoft, Apple, Samsung, Sony, LG, Meta, Google, whatever you are naming, the same basic rules for all of them. All of them greedy, all of them disregarding anything, that might hinder profits or promises bigger profits in the future.

[@RealJonDoe]

Sadly, my managers still have some applications that only run on windows. So every time they need an upgrade, in the past few months, it's been these out of support e-waste PCs, running windows 11 anyway, because they need to be in support. Much as MS is balking, they can still install on older hardware.

[@DarkDragonEWA]

I absolutely hate every version of windows they released past 7. To the point that when 7 stopped getting support I did a full switch to Linux with effectively no previous experience. It's definitely challenging sometimes, but honestly I don't regret it at all. It's still less bullshit than dealing with microsoft these days. I love how lean Linux is too. I even flashed alternate firmware onto some old end of life chromebooks and converted them into Linux laptops for a few things I needed basic systems for.

[@JediMB]

I've tried out three different Linux distros to see what I'd rather replace Windows with as my primary OS: - LMDE (with Cinnamon) - Arch Linux with Hyprland - Debian 12 with Gnome I think I'll be sticking with Debian/Gnome. It looks and feels good, and it seems to run the things I care about without hassle. Once I'm done backing up various personal files externally, and moving whatever Windows applications I want to keep to the same drive/partition as the OS, I'll disable Windows' network connection and either boot into it or run it in a VM just when there's something I can't do in Linux.

[@kensmith5694]

The nice thing is you can make it like you want it

[@zezba9000]

No windows 11 is not creating E-Waste. You don't need to install a new operating system and in many cases it's detrimental to your device's performance or introduces new incompatibilities. The same is true for Linux when the kernel starts dropping drivers. Software makers should be targeting larger arrays of operating system ages. This is the correct solution. Even if you were to use Windows XP today, you probably wouldn't be getting a virus. Linux in many distributions. Also give installation scripts full access to your system.

[@gerowen]

They got tired of giving out free OS upgrades so they had to figure out a way to sell new licenses. Upgrades have mostly been free since the days of Windows 7 all the way up to 10. This forces a lot of folks to buy entirely new computers, and therefore, new licenses.

[@axethepenguin]

Upgrades weren’t free until Windows 10 because Microsoft wanted everyone to upgrade ASAP to it

[@CFWhitman]

@@axethepenguin I think what he's getting at is that you could upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10 for free up until later last year. You can still upgrade Windows 10 to Windows 11 now as far as I know.

[@Quest3Games]

@@axethepenguin Wasn't Windows 10 released around the time when the Apple ecosystem was gaining ground? I know that at that time I had iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, Apple wi-fi router whatever it was called. Almost bought a Macbook Air too - but the butterfly keyboard put me off as it not only reduced typing efficiency, but was also designed to fail.

[@axethepenguin]

@@Quest3Games I guess? 2015 is when Windows 10 released so before the keyboard issue

[@brodriguez11000]

Most of their money isn't in OS.

[@RVail623]

There is one mandatory CPU feature that is required in order to run Win11: "SSE 4.2". The free software CPU-Z can show whether the CPU includes SSE 4.2 & is Win11 capable. So: any old PC from a thrift store won't necessarily work for Win11, even if other aspects have been upgraded, such as memory capacity or boot disc upgraded to an SSD. The CPU must be 64-bit as well, because a 32-bit version of Win11 is not available. Note: a 3rd-party software company "0-patch" has offered to continue Win10 free security update support past the October 2025 official Microsoft end of support date.

[@argvminusone]

Note that Microsoft will assume, going forward, that all the other requirements for Windows 11 are met. Therefore, although it may work on your old computer right now, it may be bricked by an update at any moment.

[@RVail623]

@@argvminusone The only thing that could brick such a non-compliant PC with Win11 installed would be a device driver. Which doesn't seem likely, since drivers for Win10 or Win11 are interchangeable.

[@My_Old_YT_Account]

Microsoft themselves do it for 10 LTSC IoT 2021 until 2032, they probably just modify the updates to work on regular 10 Pro/Home

[@Lippy013]

This is true with the 24H2 update (as well as requiring POPCNT), but not the versions prior to that. That said, it's not going to change much since the older versions will be nearly out of support once Windows 10 reaches EOL. Devices with 1st gen Intel, AMD Bulldozer or newer CPUs support those instructions, so I think the cutoff there is reasonable. Of course, the arbitrary 'requirements' of Windows 11 throw much newer machines under the bus which includes hundreds of millions of actively used devices and that's where the issue lies.

[@RegisBodnar]

Honestly, as soon as Windows 11 neared release, I switched over to Linux on all of my Windows devices! Windows 10 was bad enough, but Windows 11 is certified spyware! But is DOES suck that so many people will be running insecure devices and sluggish devices because Microsoft decided it's more important to gather data on its customers and serve ads, than build a good product!

[@GrumpyIan]

planned obsolescence while being carbon neutral is such an oxymoron.

[@MiniDevilDF]

Remember boys, scoop up these laptops and install something like Ghost Spectre or AtlasOS onto them. You can save them from being e-waste and make them useful again!

[@realshehrkhan]

What about all the older systems that are running windows 11. Is Microsoft ever going to extend support for these perfectly good working machines?

[@jaykay5142]

After my Win10 box crashed irrecoverably, I wanted to do Win11 but with this new hardware requirement I was blocked. So, I switched to Mint OS and job done. Highly recommended to fight against anti-consumer corporate bullying

[@TheSimoc]

Code bloat and constant forces or required updates has long been the #1 obstacle for any sustainability in tech.

[@W9HJBill]

Just don't upgrade. Problem solved. I still use a Windows 98 computer at work because the device it runs would cost me about $10,000 in hardware and software to upgrade if I got a new PC. Stop whining about Windows 11, you are NOT forced to upgrade or throw away your perfectly working PC.

[@O5-XIV]

1:35 "but what's stopping Microsoft from releasing a light version of Windows 11 that could be installed on older Hardware" Mr. Krabs "Hehe... Money" And about most people Struggling to get Software to work on linux, is Alot of the time's, not just doing bit of How-To about it. Google and YT are goldmine's of how-to and here's how videos. Mostly... Laziness Great vid yo

[@mow_cat]

linux is an absolute pain to work with for the uninitiated, and even the initiated. if you have any hardware that isn't supported by Linux, you'll be going through tutorial after tutorial, red herring after red herring, only to eventually realize that nothing short of writing the drivers yourself will get your mouse/wifi adapter/GPU to work on Linux. this has happened to me so many times i can't even count in other words, it's ANYTHING BUT laziness

[@O5-XIV]

@@mow_cat Yes i know that, used linux over 15 years myself, and i Still have stuff that just won't work. but i was saying alot of Simple to fix stuff people just Don't look up, shrug their shoulders and "Well that's to hard, back to windows"

[@858Markus]

Just go for some Linux distro. I am not a Linux user, but tried Ubuntu and it was perfectly fine for media consumption or some light work, school...

[@jb1139]

This is all because they ran a gambit with windows 10 and it didn't make them the money they wanted so they are willing to force you to buy new hardware to keep using their software. My gaming laptop from 2017 has nothing wrong with it. In fact, it runs better than the new stuff my classmates have. I feel pretty forced into running linux and have been playing with it for the past week. Sucks to sacrifice some programs like office for the longevity of my hardware, but this is what they have pushed people towards. I'm not buying new hardware just to install an os I don't want for like 5 programs that can be replaced with WPS or libreoffice. Hopefully this pushes more support for linux too.

[@leerobinson8709]

People will sell them for next to nothing to people like me who have the patience, will and know-how to install Linux or FreeBSD (depending on the wireless adapter) to make it usable. If people can't be bothered then they're the ones with an emptier wallet not me. That is fine, the knowledge is out there. It's up to people to engage with it, or not...

[@garthf9609]

Yep, you are right, my laptop PC will probably end up in landfill. I am hoping though microsoft may provide guidance on recycling options.

[@fumetsusozo]

"Everybody is going to face popups with their machines wanting to update next year they won't be able to do anything about." I still been using windows 7 on my current desktop PC... so i guess everybody will know what it feels like to be me soon. Haha! But honestly I don't see using a outdated machine as a huge deal long as it still works.

[@OldCanadianguy953]

3:33 I still have a 1997 35” Sony Trinitron which works just fine and gets daily use.

[@fung5233andskystairs]

it is actually a shame that windows value a crap laptop celeron N4000 with TPM2.0 higher than a literal beast PC of i7-7700 without TPM 2.0

[@joshwa1234]

1million%

[@My_Old_YT_Account]

And ironically you can add TPM 2.0 on them, it still won't let you install

[@marcfuchs6938]

I wouldn't say it's a shame. It's a built in reminder, that you get rid of Microsoft, if possible. =) Everybody is yelling it these days, try Linux. I haven't tried it yet, still running W10 and W11, but I am fed up with Microsoft and will switch.

[@PWingert1966]

THe stats suggested that 85% of all current laptops in use running Windows will not be able to be upgraded to Windows 11. The are also social enterprises that recycle laptops and desktops to be deployed to low-income individuals and organizations. This is devastating for them since the terms of Microsoft's refurbishing program will now require them to only refurbish machines capable of running windows 11.

[@joshwa1234]

That's interesting, I guess they might have to switch to Linux

[@valkaielod]

​@@joshwa1234They will just use 8th+.

[@erkinalp]

​@@joshwa1234Or better, ReactOS 😅

[@crpony]

I have a Dell Precision laptop from 2013 running windows 10. I will use it as long as I can. I will probably have Linux and Windows 10 on it eventually.

[@crpony]

Surprisingly the original battery still works.

[@NijiDash]

Awesome, a fellow horse enjoyer /)

[@crpony]

@@NijiDash Yes sir!

[@sergeykish]

I am happy Linux user of Dell Latitude e7440 and Dell Latitude 7480. Both work great (iGPU), dual boot, battery changed.

[@crpony]

@@sergeykish That's great! I upgraded my graphics card on my Dell Precision laptop to a newer one and some programs that use the GPU run much faster now.

[@ashwin372]

linux gang rise up

[@Quest3Games]

Linux can only rise up when it is possible to click install on software and not get all those package/dependency errors.

[@Compact-Disc_700mb]

@@Quest3Games You get dependency issues on windows too, .net framework etc. Appimage is a decent offline packaging system on Linux. So there is options, most just don't want to put in a little effort to try something new.

[@someuser4166]

​@@Quest3Gamesand when proper software alternatives are available, no gimps or xdotools but Photoshop and autohotkey etc

[@sergeykish]

​@@Quest3Gamessince forever. Downloading software from web is insecure. Use distribution package, flatpak.

[@lessi5_ua]

​@@someuser4166 And the software won't have a dozen of errors (that look like the app should fix it itself, but it doesn't) when trying to do a simple task (looking at you, virt-manager)

[@clixium]

"Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 will continue to receive support until January 13, 2032",, that'll be my go to after October next year

[@monGarz]

Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2024 lacks the hardware requirements of standard Windows 11 and is supported until 2034, if you want to run that.

[@theloststarbounder]

Bruh I still use Windows 7 for coding so it's not an issue to use 10 after EoL, you need to be careful with downloads anyways no matter the version, windows is not secure by design, defender can block only well known malware - not zero days or too recent ones.

[@My_Old_YT_Account]

11 LTSC doesn't bypass all requirements like the other guy says, it still has the CPU requirements that causes the e-waste

[@joshwa1234]

I've tried that, and the extended support is great, it's just a licensing issue for general people that will be the issue.

[@clixium]

​@@joshwa1234 Let's hope the market will be flooded with cheap 7 or earlier gen laptops, other than that it'll be a huge mess I agree. I don't see why they didn't just expended support for all W10 until 2031, critical updates only, by that time big part of the PCs 7 gen or earlier would probably be retired anyway

[@SuperCartoonist]

I know people who are still using Windows 7, and for me I installed Linux. I might as well put an advertisement asking people to give me their unsupported laptops and computers. I will minimize the e-waste.

[@F.ginroH]

I'm running all my 10+ year old laptops and desktops on Windows 11.

[@johnlock807]

Id expect comunity to support win 10 further, people do crazy things to continue use win xp or 7, but move from win 10 to 11 much more difficult(win 11 basically subscription platform and data mining tool for microsoft, its really not your pc anymore), many people will left in this group who "dont want 11 but and also dont want linux", so where demand there will be supply.

[@glasseffect]

What Microsoft is doing is a crime against environment. It's this environment that we all share, and translate into money and economy. Why isn't this punishable?

[@carlosbelo9304]

cause polititions are very busy with bulshit wars they could end in 2 seconds

[@glasseffect]

@carlosbelo9304 Most modern wars are an abuse of knowledge. The result is always destruction.

[@glasseffect]

@@carlosbelo9304 Despite education, people are incapable of making a conscious change. What's the point of education if it's not helping us live better and sensible lives.

[@carlosbelo9304]

@@glasseffect seems like much of it is there to make people just smart enough to do the grunt work but too dumb or obidient for anything else

[@Cyrillium]

It's all about security. If it wasn't for those meddling kids hacking the bios chip.

[@kensmith5694]

I am pausing the video at 0:47 to say that I think people should be installing something like Linux Mint on those old machines. This will make them fine for what most people use a computer for. They can then be given away or used by the owner. There are many people on limited budgets where an means to browse the web and write some documents and a bunch of other needs could be met by the machines that would otherwise end up in landfill. On TVs, the digital TV rollout was much the same but for $40 you could get the converter box. That is how I watch TV today and it works fine. My TV didn't become e-waste

[@1DerangedWarrior]

I have a 13yr old laptop with windows 10 I saved by replacing the cooler fan. I then took it to 16Gb of ram and then gave it a SSD. also the OG battery that came with it had a max capacity of 6hrs when you tell the laptop to use more power to be faster. I replaced the battery that was dieing with a new battery that is double the size but gives me just over 14hrs at Max power settings it runs faster n better then some more modern laptops. Il run Win10 for another 18months maybe on it then switch it to Linux.

[@312diag]

You could always run Windows 7 combined with open-source software or move to Linux. Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt sells, as it has for decades, but it doesn't have to.

[@ENNEN420]

My dad was a "I don't care about data collection I've got nothing to hide" kinda guy until Recall. And then Bitlocker being turned on by default. Then the stuff they shoved on the taskbar that just slows down the system. Then the ad popups every 15 minutes. I put Ubuntu on my dad's Surface Pro 7 and he does NOT miss Win11 one bit. Literally anyone can learn Linux to some capacity.

[@cfldriven]

Our 10yr Lenovo U430 Touch was taking five minutes to boot-up with Win10, replaced it with a new Lenovo. Took the old one and dropped in Lubuntu which brought down the boot-up to 45 seconds. Not sure why people expect MS to support their 10yr old plus systems. If you think MS is bad try Apple products. Point is this stuff gets old and no longer serves it's intended purpose and needs to be replaced. I'm thankful for the 10yrs and will probably get a few more with Lubuntu before we take it to the recycling center.

[@NTSCuser]

I'm still running Windows 7 on my laptop with no issues.

[@MaartenT]

I wouldn't call having to use hacked/ported updates for Windows and software (Steam, browsers, ...) "no issues" and if you don't update your Windows nor your browsers, you will be very insecure if you use it for things like banking. I read both Chromium based browers and Firefox will stop their support for Windows 7 in the not so distant future (Firefox in March I believe). But I am sure it still works really well if you don't really use it online. I liked Windows 7 quite a bit.

[@needsLITHIUM]

I'm a firm believer that in business ethics, sorry is never good enough, if it's a decision based on greed, selfishness and wanton disregard, it wasn't an accident - they just didn't care. It's the kind of thing where they shouldn't have made the decision they made, and no amount of atonement, reparations, or apology is ever going to be good enough. They betrayed my trust, and if they want to fix that, they can build a time machine, and go back and undo what they did. All the apologies and all the money in the world isn't enough to restore that trust. Microsoft has a new enemy who will hate them on principle forever in me. Not sorry.

[@capolaya]

They simply *don't care*

[@EvilTurkeySlices]

Millions and millions of perfectly good computers will be thrown out purely because they don’t meet the arbitrary requirements Microsoft set. Even if they do, if the CPU is on the blacklist it will refuse to work. This doesn’t just affect ancient Athlon 64 and Pentium 4 machines, this affects machines released less than 10 years ago, machines many people still use.

[@dadozygaming]

I agree with what you said, but I don't think the requirements are arbitrary.

[@EvilTurkeySlices]

@@dadozygaming why not?

[@dadozygaming]

@@EvilTurkeySlices The CPU selection are largely based on security features. Do you remember specter and meltdown? Certain CPUs had exploitable issues that were hard to patch. It's similar how the original Nintendo Switch has a hardware exploit that makes it so people can play any pirated switch game on it. Nintendo could not patch it out but their newer models remove the exploit. If you had the first model of the Nintendo switch, you could hack it with a paperclip. The exploit is still there, and no software update can remove it. If millions of people's information was leaked, and if Microsoft knew about it but could have prevented it, people could sue Microsoft for millions, or even billions. Security is no joke, and hackers are doing everything they can to get control to your information. Especially with AI becoming this powerful, you definitely want security features built into your CPU.

[@EvilTurkeySlices]

@@dadozygaming the security thing is really only an issue to corporate use. For everyday computers, it’s just a scare tactic to get people to upgrade. An up-to-date OS will generally provide enough security for 99% of computers.

[@dadozygaming]

@@EvilTurkeySlices 1% is all some people need. Some people say that Russia and Vladimir Putin are actively trying to hack computers in order to steal sensitive information, and they don't care if the computer is corporate or not. It only takes one security breach to infect a whole bunch of devices. Do you remember when the DNC (Democrats from America) was hacked by Russians? Do you remember when Hillary Clinton was reprimanded for using a personal device for government work email? Top officials often use personal devices for sensitive information. This can be Hillary Clinton, or someone else. You can tell them not to do it, but they are going to do it anyways. Best you can do is give them a more secure device that makes it harder for Vladimir Putin to have his way with us.

[@cageliner]

Millions of people run unsupported versions of Windows and ignore the support problems, as I do. Tens of thousands are still on XP. MS can't really continually support outdated hardware due to tech changes, security issues etc. I like my old hardware, but they are toys, five on Win 11 and one on XP. Consumers freak out, though, and will recycle and buy new. MS makes no money on upgrades, only on their corporate business and licensing on new PCs. Shareholders want their dividends and profits LOL. In 25 years I have only bought 2-3 copies of Windows.

[@MrSamadolfo]

🙂 At the very least a separate Windows 11 Edition, maybe call it Windows 11 Legacy Edition ☺️

[@MarkFitzgerald2014]

They should get fines billions for the e-waste that they will create, as who will end up managing it, not MS that is for sure. Linux is better for old PC's , but like you said most people are used to windows. They have conned the public for buying a PC a few years ago that is now not compatible and can run most top games today. Now that person has to find an extra few grand to get another PC just for Windows 11. This is a monopoly thing and they should be investigated for it. All those business especially the small ones that have say 20 - 50 PC's now no good. They have to all buy new PC's, where do they get the money? and then it will break and cost the company more money after the next breaking update that MS can not do properly anymore. I wouldn't mind but Windows 11 is just a UI cover up of Windows 10 with extra features implemented to bloat it even more. That is why it is bigger install than previous version. You can change Windows 11 back to looking like Windows 10 if you edit the registry settings, even other versions of Windows. All they had to do was fix Windows 10 security issues then done. But no they make it look like a version of Mac OS and add extra features no one asked for and cause more problems and still leave zero day vulnerabilities for over 2 years. They should pay us to use it.

[@1pcfred]

Windows 11 support officially extends to 8th gen hardware. That's coming up on 10 years old now. So anyone that's bought a PC in the last few years can easily upgrade.

[@MarkFitzgerald2014]

@@1pcfred A pity for those that have 7th Gen or 6th Gen. I have a 11th and a 12th gen that run faster on Windows 10 than it does on windows 11. I get 4 - 5 times faster again on Linux and Android. MS has destroyed its trust in its windows users now.

[@1pcfred]

@@MarkFitzgerald2014 I don't know why you ever trusted Microsoft in the first place. They've never done anything I'm aware of to deserve it. They've always been venomous snakes. I don't believe anyone running Windows has actually read and understood the EULA. The terms are so bad. You all just click accept.

[@Valcuda]

Here's something funny! Before Windows 11 was announced, Microsoft began testing some things from it in the Windows 10 Dev insider channel without telling anyone they were for 11. After it was announced, as a 'Thank You', users on the dev channel were allowed to upgrade early! *Even people who didn't meet the minimum requirements.* I was one of those people! Using a computer from the early 2000s, which didn't even have a UEFI! This was literally Day 1 Windows 11, and it warned me it would be buggy, and that I should return to Windows 10 at some point! *I had a perfectly fine experience.* In fact, that experience is what cemented my love for Windows 11! Yet that computer isn't 'able to run Windows 11', despite it literally having it officially installed on it. Here's a tip! If you're running Windows 11 on an unsupported machine, make sure to reinstall it occasionally using a fresh USB installer! Microsoft will stop pushing updates to your system at some point. The installer should just 'upgrade' your OS to the latest version, and it'll probably reenable updates for a bit. You also need to do this if you upgrade your hardware so it IS now supported, else it'll still think it isn't.

[@TheBlackadder-Edmund]

Last year in a EU country there was a public sector entity that had a public screen for announcements and the system had crashed with a Windows XP screen 😂

[@RaphaelSwinkels]

you knew, that lots of bank withdrawel points run win xp or win 7 never the newest, that cost serious money to keep everything up to date, fuck security they think..

[@roeloftooms]

As if the support ending of Win10 directly stops the Win10 usage. Even with Win98 and WinXP people used to run many years with them after support was stopped. As long you keep the browser, firewall and virus scanner up to date (maybe another product is needed) you will be fine to stretch the lifespan much more.

[@asifshamsi5630]

Microsoft itself have issued workarounds to install Windows 11 on unsupported devices, although they say it's not recommended. But for people like me it's the only solution because I need computer for using Microsoft Office and other Windows only tasks.

[@johnmiller0000]

Reimage them with Linux and donate them to charities that will provide them to low-middle income countries.

[@mchenrynick]

Someone should create a non-profit where you can donate these non-Windows 11 compatible computers & laptops, install Linux Mint on them, and then give them to low-income programs. Web browsing (Firefox is the default) and office tasks (with Libre Office) work right-out-of-the-box and simple enough for anyone to jump into.

[@erkinalp]

you should cross-grade them to ReactOS, open source reimplementation of Windows

[@Zen-Koru]

I'm probably going to keep windows 10 till steam stops supporting it

[@supersaiyaman11589]

i will be doing the same brother keeping my current computer and os until steam stops supporting it.

[@nohacksjustparker2744]

Well there's something called tiny 11 and it's a cut down and optimized version of windows 11 and it can run on most windows 10 devices and it should somewhat fix the issue

[@JeremyLeePotocki]

Well I did it before during Windows 8, but I am going back to having all my PCs running Linux. Thanks to Proton the last thing that kept me chained to Windows is basically gone now that 95% of all my games can run on Linux (on both my Steam & GOG libraries). I'm going to be using Bazzite Desktop version until Valve gets Nvidia drivers working right with their Gaming Mode. Then I'll switch to the SreamOS version.

[@mrgtmodernretrogamingtech6891]

4:13 I'm a PC Technician since 2005 and amazed about the beauty of it upgradeabilty and repairability... But now, it's slowly disappearing... The Satanic Planned Obsolescence... But I'm fighting back in other ways... My SUV is a 1991 NO ECU, Mechanical Fuel Injection Diesel Isuzu and 2012 Scooter is NO ECU, Carbureted Honda I don't want to be the slave of the SYSTEM...

[@nelsonfigueroa3198]

Wait till Microsoft issues a update to win 11 that kills those win 11 bypassed installs. Make sure to disable auto updates when that time comes.

[@godofgaps-w2n]

wouldn't that just be the same as just using windows 10?

[@3434abab]

Not gonna happen

[@AAjax]

@@3434abab The motivation behind all of this isn't performance. MS wants TPM 2 in chip, so they can control what software goes on the system. They'll say it's about security, but really it's about them finally establishing their own walled garden. So yeah, it could well happen.

[@MrKornnugget]

The old reasons for having to upgrade your hardware made sense. 32-bit to 64-bit, multi-core, GPU, ETC. But even then, it was not forced. This is forced with no real examination of the benefits for the end users.

[@OneAnotherGuy]

Mine is 9 years old, working fine with Win10. If nothing works after EOS, I will have Linux on it.

[@d.d.5942]

I also have a 4th gen Intel laptop and switched to Kubuntu some years ago because of this Win11 problem. I had Win10 in dual boot, just in case, but never used it and deleted Windows just recently. I hope this laptop will work for another 5 years or so.

[@a.a.b.v.i.d.e.o.s]

If they sell it for really cheap thinking that it's broken, then it's good for us, as we can buy it and install Debian or something like that.

[@nicetry7591]

So what I'm hearing is... next october I can get my hands on more cheap linux machines to test out more distros!

[@Lord_Funk]

I will end up with 3 perfectly good working mobos and cpu's due to Microsofts arbitrary and mandatory requirements for Win 11 (unless I use some work-around, which I honestly do not want to). I will simply turn them into Linux machines. 2 machines (me and my sons) running with Skylake i7 6700K (a gtx 1080 on one and a gtx 1070 on the other) and one machine running Skylake i5 6600K (my own secondary machine) with an AMD RX 480 8GB VRAM gpu. We run win 10 on them all right now. They all run fine. Very clean installs and snappy and responsive. I can play any game I want on them (since I'm not into many new games anyway). I guess Microsoft do not want me as a customer anymore, so I'm in the process of trying to learn Linux via videos and how to install and run that. I'll probably go with Linux Mint, but Linux Arch looks nice too. Maybe use Sudo to install it. With Steam having made gaming a lot simpler on Linux (from what I understand looking at various videos) I think I should be ok moving over to that. As for other stuff I do like streaming KZbin and some other streaming services, I think Linux should work fine too using maybe Firefox as the browser. I'm not sure my banking is supported for Linux (maybe it is, as long as I use one of the browsers they suggest), but that might be the only problem I run into. I've stopped using Photoshop anyway, after their recent debacle and non customer friendly (and insanely expensive) subscription models. I might get some basic cheap machine running win 11, just to be able to do some banking stuff, or maybe some cheap tablet just for that. I've always done all my stuff on actual real PC's running windows since mid 90's (never on any phone or tablet), but I guess Microsoft just do not want us to do that anymore, so screw them then. The more I think about it, the more convinced I get that leaving Windows is a really good idea. I'll use that opportunity to leave google chrome as well and make Firefox my main browser. Finally getting free of at least those two mega corps and their more and more customer unfriendly ways. Sure I'll still watch some KZbin, but via Firefox and make sure to delete cookies each time afterwards. I'm so sick and tired lately over all these big brother attitudes these mega corps are trying to mnake us accept. If only I could get rid of having to use regular banks too it would be perfect. All these big corp, big tech, big busines and banks are all just making their services and stuff worse and worse by every day. Charging more and more for less and less service. Trying to dictate our lives and what we do and how we are supposed to use things. Same with grocey stores and their self check out things. We have to do more and more of all the tasks ourselves, less and less jobs are created and still they keep raising fees/prices of everything.

[@My_Old_YT_Account]

Linux on Nvidia GPUs isn't that great

[@Lord_Funk]

​@@My_Old_YT_Account Yeah, I heard that too, but also that even Nvidia has made some of it's code open source and that even running Nvidia gpu's on Linux has gotten better. Of course amd is probably the best choice since it's all open source. I don't care that much about ray tracing anyway, since most of the games I like to play do not even have that. I'm not much into like first person shooters and such and more into turn based strategy where stuff like rtx is not really adding much to a game. To me it's more important with raw rasterization performance and not running out of vram. In fact the cpu is often more important than the gpu for such games. I don't even like civ 6 (the current latest game in that series) and I'm more into older civ games, like civ 1, 4 and civ 5 and they were all made way before any rtx. Humankind, Millennia, Old World, Heroes Of Might And Magic series and games like that don't have rtx either. I do think the upcoming civ 7 game looks interesting so I want to be able to run that. At least to try it out. To get civ 1 to run on windows 10 I have to use DOSBox emulator, that might also not work on Linux I assume.

[@My_Old_YT_Account]

@@Lord_Funk Getting Wayland to work properly on Nvidia is a pain and Xorg results in screen tearing. There's also a Linux version of DOSBox apparently.

[@Lord_Funk]

@@My_Old_YT_Account I see, well I'm all new to Linux. Not even started using it yet, but trying to learn from watching videos and read info about it before I turn my machines into Linux machines. Very nice to hear about possibly DOSBox on Linux. I wonder how that will work with the audio on Linux? Since even on Windows it can get hard to get sound to run properly on older games, since back then it was soundblaser and all kinds of old soundcard systems coded in games.

[@tomcarlson3913]

Windows 11 is the version that's making me quit Microsoft products. I used it on a work laptop and the thing if it wasn't rebooted daily couldn't handle going between mobile and docked with a monitor and most of the time it wasn't doing that it was running obscenely slow despite having good hardware specs...It's like more something a team of students put together as a hobby project than an actual operating system. Between that the lack of support for recent, but not NEW hardware, the new AI spyware they are baking in, the goofy interface changes, and the lack of a windows 12 to jump over this mess* I've got no choice but to go to Linux. * Every other windows version usually sucks (...,Vista, 8, 11 ) but until now they would usually have 3 in the market at transition: As they dropped support for an old one there'd be an older current and a brand new release so if the current one you didn't want to upgrade to sucked you could leapfrog it with the new release.

[@monGarz]

The "long term plan" for systems has always been replacement. Never forget that until Windows 10, almost no one upgraded their OS on existing hardware; the only reason those systems lived as long as they did is because the upgrade to 10 was free, and often forced. The average user is going to either ignore the warnings and keep using their PC until they encounter some other issue, or buy a new machine.

[@supersaiyaman11589]

that is what i plan on doing no reason to get windows 11 if what i have works fine for what i need it too do.

[@reaper15a]

Delusional ...lol. People have been upgrading their OS since the beginning of Consumer Grade OS'es hell technically all the way back to the days of DOS ...

[@amnesiac-original]

People should become familiar with GNU/Linux. It's better for them. Most people don't need Windows.

[@kensmith5694]

"become familiar with" is sort of the wrong way to word it. People can just install Linux Mint and use it. There is basically no learning curve for a Windows user. The menu button is in the same place but it doesn't happen to say "start". That is about all the hint most people need to be well on their way.

[@DEORIA1703]

Windows 11 Iot enterprise ltsc does not have those terrible requirement for home or pro you can instal that versión in almost all type of computers and have full functionality and updates.

[@stephenreeve6732]

My view as to why Microsoft has put these restrictions with window 11, the computer manufacturers wanted to sell more computers and worked with Microsoft to put these into windows so to get people to buy new computers.

[@xXRenaxChanXx]

Wouldn't be a problem if people would just get over themselves and try Linux.

[@clixium]

Some like me use Fusion 360 and similar programs which only run on Windows, unfortunately it's also heavy on system so WM or some kind of emulators are out of question

[@MaartenT]

@@clixium I haven't tried it myself since I don't use the software, but it looks like you can install it in bottles (which uses Wine, so it's a translation layer, not an emulator). I don't know how well it works, but I have used bottles for games plenty of times and a lot of times it works just like on Windows with no or minor tweaking. It's at least something you can try out if you have a spare machine if that's the only holdup. There seem to be people who weren't successful though, so you might have to find the post I found how to make it work if you do. Wine and things like that have become very powerful, I used to be able to run Windows software to update the firmware of my PS5 controller in Linux in Bottles until Sony decided to completely overhaul their software which now can not be installed any more. So it's not perfect by a long shot, but it's way more capable than I thought when I started using Linux to game and it is improving regularly.

[@kensmith5694]

@@MaartenT On different software I did this: 1) Take one each Raspberry PI4 2) Install Box86 to emulate an X86 on the ARM CPU 3) Install the X86 version of wine running under Box86 4) Install a windows only program onto the wine. The result worked and was usable. There are now faster machines at about that same price.

[@Jurtaani]

at least for Android TV powered old TV's there is easy solution of just buying a Chromecast with Google tv. it is essentially the same thing for the most parts and for example there is not much difference between my livingroom android tv Philips 55PUS8887 and my bedroom Philips 50PUS6754 powered by the Philips Saphi OS. not when i use my Chromecast with Gogle tv with that saphi model's own remote over HDMI-CEC. So upgrading to later os is technically question of buying a separate box, no need to junk the whole tv over old os version. Sure this is obvious thing, i just wanted to point out that apart from having to now switch over to separate HDMI input instead of pressing the home button. there is not that big of a penalty of having say Android 8 based Android TV television.

[@eng3d]

Looong story short. Windows 10 will be discontinued the next year. For the record, Windows 7 was discontinued in the 2016, however, people kept using it for 4 more years, and some people are still using it. i.e. what Microsoft wants and what the market wants are not always the same.

[@supersaiyaman11589]

i will still be using windows 10 next year and will keep using it for as long as it supports gaming.

[@ThatRandomToast]

Windows 7 mainstream support ended in 2015, extended support ended in 2020, and extended security updates until 2023. There's also Windows Embedded POSReady 7, which is the last supported Windows 7 edition, supported until October this year.

[@ElectricityTaster]

This will always happen. We need better recycling processes and smarter use of rare metals.

[@datainoit]

Today I made the calculation to update my client system. 99 computers of the 135 I have in the network need to be changed. For about 60,000. €. Tomorrow I simulate a client with Linux.

[@NovaXP]

There are commands you can run during the Windows 11 initial setup (they call it Out Of Box Experience/OOBE) to bypass both the requirement for a TPM and Microsoft account, they should be pretty easy to find online. I've done it on a handful of early to mid 10's era computers that normally wouldn't have supported it. Only hardware requirement I know of is that it needs to support the SSE4.2 instruction set (so Intel 1st gen and later) due to an upcoming update that requires it

[@erkinalp]

EAC and Adobe CC apps do require TPM when used in Windows 11

[@jjcoolaus]

Install debloated windows 11 with workarounds or install Linux which is really easy these days or install chrome os

[@aku2dimensional]

Microsoft Shenanigans have gone on long enough, that's why I installed Pop OS on my main computer.

[@kensmith5694]

A lot of people like Pop OS

[@aku2dimensional]

@@kensmith5694 I like Pop OS, tried a few distros like EndeavourOS and plain Mint but Pop was a little better.

[@CraigRodmellMusic]

I made up my mind years ago what I was going to do. Microsoft, in its infinite wisdom, told me that Windows 10 will become End-Of-Life - but I couldn't have Windows 11, either. Not that I actually wanted it. Was I going to throw away and replace three perfectly good computers, just because Almighty Microsoft said so!?!? NO WAY IN HELL!!! One of them, I use offline for music and video production. It will stay running Windows 10 offline. The other two will become Linux machines. Simple as that. They are, after all, MY PCs, NOT Microsoft's, regardless of how much they think otherwise.

[@dogethegamershibe]

What I’ve been doing with old hardware is installing Linux on them. Linux is capable of running these old computers perfectly fine without me having to do a single thing. Installed Debian on a 10+ yr old desktop tower I had at home and everything works without a problem. My family uses it to look at the old pictures and videos stored on the hard drives. I’ve installed Linux Mint on my mom’s laptop who is computer illiterate and she has 0 issues with navigating the system. Although granted, that may be because I was able to change the system language to Spanish from the get-go so it’s easier for her to understand. I’ve also installed Pop! OS on my college laptop. Almost no issues daily driving it there. I did have an issue with Eclipse IDE erroring out on launch after an update, but I just installed an older version from the website and it was business as usual. I know people like to say that Linux is “for tinkerers,” but it doesn’t have to be if you just install a popular and well-known distro. You may be surprised how well it runs on your old tower.