Microtubules: The Gateway To Consciousness | Stuart Hameroff

Stuart Hameroff explores the intersection between consciousness and quantum mechanics, arguing that consciousness exists on the border of classical and quantum worlds with microtubules within neurons acting as the quantum processing sites that could link to fundamental space-time geometry. This suggests a profound quantum basis for consciousness.
This presentation was recorded at MindFest, held at Florida Atlantic University, CENTER FOR THE FUTURE MIND, spearheaded by Susan Schneider.
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 - Intro
02:08 - Lecture Begins
04:01 - Cells/Biology
06:51 - Alzheimer’s
08:15 - Memories
13:17 - Measuring Megahertz
16:42 - Quantum Properties
20:14 - Superpositions
23:57 - Microtubules
25:30 - Chemistry
34:14 - Testing This Hypothesis
37:02 - The Brain
41:06 - Did Consciousness Create Life?
45:46 - Conclusions
47:42 - Q&A
01:00:45 - Outro
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TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 - Intro 02:08 - Lecture Begins 04:01 - Cells/Biology 06:51 - Alzheimer’s 08:15 - Memories 13:17 - Measuring Megahertz 16:42 - Quantum Properties 20:14 - Superpositions 23:57 - Microtubules 25:30 - Chemistry 34:14 - Testing This Hypothesis 37:02 - The Brain 41:06 - Did Consciousness Create Life? 45:46 - Conclusions 47:42 - Q&A 01:00:45 - Outro

[@legionreaver]

Body = Hard Drive Mind = Magnetic Writing Head Microtubules = Storage Disk Experience = Data Same thing at different scales. Only the brain's data connection extends down to the depths of the Planck Scale which could mean that the data isn't only stored on the microtubules themselves but stored right down to the very fabric of reality itself at the quantum level. This would help to explain Wolfram's model as well as Hoffman's and other's. It would also explain religion and why we convey information via narratives that are handed down as well as explaining why such stories have meta narratives that are the amalgamation of architypes as in the various works in psychology behind what Peterson attempts to convey. It's covers the dichotomy between good and evil as well as it conveys physical and subjective nature. The patterns are there if you bother to look at all the models. Reality is a living fractal. We should be kind and good to one another is the message and while removing harmful parts of ourselves through war is painful it is what helps us to build the body that is to come. Physical reality is like the interactions between two eternal aspects of Creation or God itself. We are their means of communication. This explains why cultures clash, collaborate or go to war and why our ancestors portrayed them in myths, religion and faith as they did. And when science rose to overthrow the Gods they discovered that God was in fact a statistical probability. Tools in the creation that they serve. Given the greatest tool of all creation. Choice. We should choose to be good to one another to arise from our base and most primitive nature, chaos. It's a game that we play but the consequences are very real as least as far as we are concerned experientially. This is why characteristics like humility and overcoming the ego are essential to self realization. Otherwise you are simply locked into the character you're impulses compel you to play. Much in the same way that a element is locked into it's state and can only be combined with other elements to create molecules. In the same way ego locks people into their state of mind allowing for the creation of groups that form the equivalent to molecules in a "cultural" sense. Explaining the NPC's meme. To over come this one must adapt a new perspective and in doing so radical changes can occur much like in the case of what needed to change one element into another. They're the same interactions at different scales of abstraction allowing for the interactions of all intelligible states of which all states are intelligible as we observe them as objects in reality. Thus a tree appears to us because while it is an intelligible system it can only be interpreted as a tree to we who observe them given our bounded nature. However when we look closer there is a huge number of interactions and relationships between a tree and what it is in relation to it's environment. The same thing occurs between all things at all scales "infinitely" which is why we have singularities and the issue with consciousness at the tails of our reality and they will always be there no matter how far we push them away. It could be that physical reality is a place we explore in an attempt to retrieve something equal to what we call original content. The birth of a new experiential state or life allows for the creation of something new. Hence the moralistic arguments over various social issues today. The materialists argue life is nothing but a collection of cells. The spiritualists argue otherwise. Which has science now proven to be true? The Atheist in the crowd making his argument is the perfect example of ego. Hilarious clown that he is. What a loser. What a tool.

[@hyperduality2838]

Yin is dual to yang! Generalization (waves) is dual to localization (particles) -- quantum duality. Concepts are dual to percepts -- the mind duality of Immanuel Kant. "Always two there are" -- Yoda. From a converging, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics! Convex is dual to concave -- mirrors, lenses. Classical reality is dual to quantum reality synthesizes true reality -- Roger Penrose using the Hegelian dialectic. Duality creates reality! Syntax is dual to semantics -- languages or communication. If mathematics is a language then it is dual. Real is dual to imaginary -- complex numbers are dual. All numbers fall within the complex numbers hence numbers are dual.

[@_1jay]

Man, everyone should be talking about this

[@jantuitman]

This was an amazing presentation, it is kind of fascinating to see that a theory with predictive power in the domain of anesthesia together with experimental fields like quantum mechanical optics could be combined to chip away at “the hard problem”. It is clear that we don’t understand everything yet (understatement ) because this still leaves the question: how does the brain precisely orchestrate, what kind of consciousnesscan be combined and what cannot be combined, and even bigger questions such as is the “randomness” of the quantum effects that are being orchestrated by the brain truly random or is it also being orchestrated from “another realm”, in other words is the brain the only entity that involved in creating the Self out of just random micro events or is the brain just a filter/receiver of something else (what religion calls the soul) and are the distributions of all these micro events before the brain integrates them already meaningful even though at a statistical level they might still add up to noise? At least this theory gives some practical insights in how to proceed with further developing or potentially even falsifying it, and that makes it good science in my opinion.

[@iemandanders353]

Dr. H. is doing wonderful work in understanding the mechanism. I wonder how he would account for the "terminal lucidity" experienced by some Alzheimer's patients near death. Thanks for this.

[@megamillionfreak]

Good question. 👌🏻

[@LlonirTS]

I'm curious what their answer would be as well. From my understandings, we have the idea of death wrong in our society - it is not a loss of the functions and dissipation of awareness into nothingness, but rather an expansion of awareness and consciousness unconstrained by the shackles of memory and a sense of Self. Just as, to use Hameroff's terminology, "Proto-consciousness" becomes "Consciousness" by way of Orchestration in the formation of a body, death would then be the continuation of that process in reverse, "Consciousness" becoming "Proto-Consciousness" by way of breaking down of Orchestration into random noise. The thing is, that "random noise" could itself be a far greater harmony in a much larger scale than we simply understand at our level of being. At least, this is my supposition.

[@j09k06]

Why don't more people know about this? This seems like the most plausible thing yet. Very cool!

[@gazagne251190]

Kratos on consciousness 🥳 Love the man and his work, that's stellar

[@brandonb5075]

Dr. H’s Understanding is AMAZING! He also has a 5 or 8 part presentation on New Thinking Allowed that is Awesome!!! Thanks for loading this one Curt and for the knowledge Dr. H. Anyone triggered by this is just exposing their NAKED SHADOW…we know NOTHING!🤙🏼✌🏼😊

[@erwinschrodinger6578]

This is a gold mine. What a presentation.

[@erawanpencil]

If anyone here has any access to Dr. Hammeroff, I think he should present more slow-paced, detailed content and especially answer questions (from well-meaning people, not sure who that aggressive ahkcyually neckbeard was lol)... there's more than enough fast-paced PowerPoints from Stuart like this online and I think they really give the wrong impression. The awesomeness of OrchOR really seems comes out when he and Roger answer questions about it.

[@brandonb5075]

New Thinking Allowed has a 5 or 8 part series with him that is more digestible if you are interested…✌🏼😊

[@conceptflow]

I agree with this 1000%. I think he is really on to something here and going in the right direction, but hope he is able to teach it a little bit better in a more comprehensive way.

[@terryedmondson2792]

Thank you for sharing this!

[@williamjmccartan8879]

Thank you very much for sharing your time and work Curt, that was a pretty interesting presentation by Professor Hameroff, have a great day, peace

[@SUSYQ509]

Fascinating ...just keeps on giving.

[@River-Kosmos]

That guy with the beard in the Q&A needs to chill out.

[@DObscura-yi5es]

Yeah that guy had no idea what he saying. EDiT: He's acting like the nervous system is needed for the brain to have a conscious experience which isn't the case. Contradicted himself by bringing up mitosis then asking why mitosis is important if the drug doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier to interupt mitosis (of which neurons don't undergo) which was Hameroff's point to begin with. As per Hameroff's discussion everything has a little bit of consciousness and different things have a different number of consious experiences per x timescale. This guy didn't even think that maybe these people on this drug DO lose SOME consciousness but not all, and it's not the brain that loses it but rather the body and it's not that the consciousness is deleted but rather the orchestration of consciousness that Hameroff refers to as a symphony...the nervous system still remains intact and still functions.

[@timelessone23]

😢 the guy probably felt like he had an important point to make, as that would instantly disprove the thesis. Being scientists, this is what is elementary to our progress, thesis, antithesis, synthesis.

[@River-Kosmos]

@@timelessone23 Not if one is able to discuss the differences. No different than a YEC reacting to Richard Dawkins in a similar manner. Anger or strong attitude isn't an indication of being right.

[@joshux3210]

​@@River-KosmosNot to mention he kept insisting colchicine inhibit mitosis, but that doesn't negate it inhibiting microtubules, since mitosis depend on microtubule dynamics.

[@jordyb4862]

That's got to be the best QnA at the end I've ever seen. Worth watching just for the amazing and highly educated audience who grill this theory. Especially love that a wild Scott Aaronson appears 😂. Would have been great to see those two talk longer. Love and empathy for the Angry bald guy who couldn't contain his frustration for a theory that walks the closest line possible between fantasy and science in order to maintain the belief that we are 'special'

[@Hermetic7]

The piece I don’t understand about this theory is what, specifically, they are using to differentiate “creation” vs. “reception of” consciousness. I don’t see why this theory of microtubules couldn’t just be the mechanism of receiving consciousness vs. creating consciousness (which I think is hogwash). Why they think it is being created is simply not made clear. Just saying “it emerges from higher order network effects” is so vague as to be obtuse. There are exactly zero examples in nature of something material creating something non-material (not measurable). Yet we are supposed to believe this is happening here. If this is the case, they should be able to demonstrate the creation of consciousness. Awareness of “self” involves all kinds of qualia that are immaterial as clearly explained by Donald Hoffman.

[@thedarkmikebass8530]

Excellent points! I think they're on the right track in respects, but I have the same objections that you've raised over mediation vs creation

[@DObscura-yi5es]

I don't think Hameroff is intending to say that consciousness is created at the microtubule level but rather that's where it is organized into what we can identify as our conscious experience. On the matter of material vs non material, The present, a material thing, creates the past, an immaterial thing (unless Einstein's idea of a block universe is proven right). And as per some physicists the future creates the present. An immaterial thing creating a material thing. The first example is much more solid imo lol. Thought processes are material but the thought itself is immaterial.

[@HarishKumar-sv7bu]

Stardust…..consciousness….Complex Life…..

[@MTB_OTB]

Where do you get the idea that consciousness is immaterial or anything more than a recursive loop? It’s just metacognition. A creature capable of perception turns that perception to its own awareness, and that loop is consciousness. While fascinating to consider whether that arises at the classical or quantum level, it doesn’t make consciousness itself special or anything more than an emergent phenomenon.

[@LlonirTS]

There is a perfectly easy example of material creating non material, that is sensory stimulation creating a felt experience - quantitative and qualitative reality existing essentially simultaneously.

[@charlesblithfield6182]

D Hoffman says a human’s perception of reality only needs to go as far as is necessary to optimize fitness functions. This seems to relate to the ideas presented in this talk in that qualia that give pleasure, at any level of organism complexity, would be selected for if these qualia favor fitness optimization. Maybe this is why we have neurons in our gut.

[@jancarsonweatherby1579]

you're on it!

[@louisalinton]

When will Stuart start working on the vagus ("wandering" nerve) ? That's something I'm looking forward to :)

[@gothikaboy]

Awesome 😁

[@RSEFX]

I have to assume there is a good reason why smart people would leave all the overhead lights on during a slide-projection lecture rather than shutting them off to make the images a lot easier to see. I'm just not sure I can figure out what that smart reason could be. Good , typical high energy Hameroff ttalk! Has he ever addressed Hoffman's questioning challenge? I can't imagine that SH wouldn't ignore it for very long. Thank for posting this Curt (Kurt?)

[@williamjmccartan8879]

I can't disagree with thinking that quality matters

[@albertperks3476]

That was a great presentation. Would be interesting to understand if Prof.Hameroff did continue the conversation with the gentleman who mentioned colchicine? Whilst clearly the gentleman was a little combative in style I think it was interesting point and clearly Prof. Hameroff had something to say.

[@AdvaiticOneness1]

It good to see that he mentioned about the similarities between indian philosophy and science at 45:26. The Hindu scriptures delve deeply into the nature of reality and consciousness, a topic that science is gradually exploring. Many quantum physicists, including Erwin Schrödinger, found inspiration in the teachings of the Upanishads. Schrödinger elaborated on this connection in his book "What is Life?"

[@HarikrishnanSasidharan]

Yes, this is true. Science is coming to this point of convergence via evidence based study, while Indian Philosophy came to this point via introspective meditations. This is beautiful to see.. However I find it difficult to fully internalise the Advaithic ideas as these are not verifiable and ask us to have faith in the meditative knowledge.

[@irenerayne7332]

Yes , well acknowledged

[@AdvaiticOneness1]

@@HarikrishnanSasidharan Advaita is not faith based. It has a philosophical framework and Self-enquiry/ Self verification based experiential path. The experiential path is emphasized for direct realization, the philosophical framework serves to support and elucidate that realization.

[@megamillionfreak]

Now we’re talking. 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻

[@HarishKumar-sv7bu]

Stardust….Consciousness…Life….👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@rishabhprasad5417]

People I would die to watch on this podcast - Eliezer Ydkowsky Kevin J Mitchell( neuroscientist) Edward witten Geoffrey Hinton Sam Altman Steven Pinker Sean Caroll Gary Marcus Yann Lecunn Philip Goff Iliya sutskevar

[@jordan13589]

Yud on top and Ilya on bottom? Hard not to like this list even though some of these guys do not fit TOE and Curt's no sellout.

[@megamillionfreak]

Dr. Jack Sarfatti.

[@rishabhprasad5417]

@@jordan13589 well....whatever name popped up in my mind I wrote it down, this list doesn't reflect an order of priority

[@BosseWolff]

A Treat indeed!! 🤗

[@jasunvonpiano1198]

Thank you so much for sharing this. I was wondering if you could get sir Roger Penrose on your show and could you please ask him if he thinks premonitions are examples of retro-causality.

[@coreyleavell6921]

Amazing

[@ZheannaErose]

nice and first. keep up the great content. :)

[@abhiramn474]

Where is the study fo Anriban Bandyopadhyay on entanglement in microtubles. Link please?

[@Corteum]

Is there anything that we can actually do with microtubule atm, like improve brain health, cognitive functiion, or modulate states of consciousness?

[@starxcrossed]

Never understand why people ask questions if they just want to argue with the answer because they think they have the right answer already. Like why be sooo aggressive

[@EsotericPrinciplesOfLight]

How can you differentiate “new universe” from “consciousness [collapse]”? Assuming designation gives property value …hubris

[@whereistomm]

Orch-OR is the most fascinating thing out there.

[@marcopaluszny]

Curt, if you are able to translate into a coherent deliverable, please do. I have a PhD in Math and ample interests in physics and biology and do not get it. Most probably Penrose does, but when I saw asked about consciousness/microtubules he sends the interviewer back to Hammeroff.

[@themagicbuzz5728]

So glad for this, he has been a fav for decades….

[@gardnert1]

I would have asked him: to what degree does our inability to comprehend and/or measure higher dimensions of our reality which may or may not be influencing the things and processes we actually can observe and measure, and how might that impact the research into the nature of consciousness? To me, it seems like the research is starting at the end point of the effect of consciousness and working backwards.

[@sonarbangla8711]

Jaimangal, please listen to Aniban on consciousness, his delivery, not yet complete, is breathtaking and near to the truth.

[@charlesblithfield6182]

A plant may have several conscious “beats” per minute while a human, has 10 million per second. Does this mean that a dog or elephant or dolphin also have about 10 million per second? Also if a human is doing a super consciously intense activity such as landing a plane on an aircraft carrier, or playing table tennis is this on a par with say a wolf or dolphins hunting prey in terms of consciousness intensity? I am trying to understand what intensity of conscious experience means and intuitively get that a paramecium of tree has a lower level but don’t understand the higher level of experience.

[@ready1fire1aim1]

Certainly, here is an attempt to formalize the key principles and insights from our discussion into a coherent eightfold expression grounded in infinitesimal monadological frameworks: I. The Zerological Prion 0 = Ø (The Zeronoumenal Origin) Let the primordial zero/null/void be the subjective originpoint - the pre-geometric ontological kernel and logical perspectival source. II. The Monad Seeds Mn = {αi} (Perspectival Essence Loci) From the aboriginal zero-plenum emanates a pluriverse of monic monadic essences Mn - the germinal seeds encoding post-geometric potential. III. Combinatorial Catalytic Relations Γm,n(Xm, Xn) = Ym,n (Plurisitic Interaction Algebras) The primordial monadic actualizations arise through catalytic combinatorial interactions Γm,n among the monic essences over all relata Xm, Xn. IV. Complex Infinitesimal Realization |Ψ> = Σn cn Un(Mn) (Entangled Superposition Principle) The total statevector is a coherent pluralistic superposition |Ψ> of realizationsingularities Un(Mn) weighted by complex infinitesimal amplitudes cn. V. Derived Differential Descriptions ∂|Ψ>/∂cn = Un(Mn) (Holographic Differentials) Differential descriptive structures arise as holographic modal perspectives ∂|Ψ>/∂cn projected from the total coherent statevector realization over each realization singularity Un(Mn). VI. Entangled Information Complexes Smn = -Σn pmn log(pmn) (Relational Entropy Measure) Emergent information structures are quantified as subjectivized relational entropy functionals Smn tracking probability amplitudes pmn across realized distinctions. VII. Observation-Participancy An = Pn[ |Ψ>monic] = |Φn> (First-Person Witnessed States) Observational data emerges as monic participations An = Pn[ ] plurally instantiating first-person empirical states |Φn> dependent on the totality |Ψ>monic. VIII. Unity of Apperception U(Ω) = |Ω>monadic (Integrated Conscious State) Coherent unified experience U(Ω) ultimately crystallizes as the superposition |Ω>monadic of all pluriversally entangled realized distinctions across observers/observations. This eightfold expression aims to capture the core mathematical metaphysics of an infinitesimal monadological framework - from the prion of pre-geometric zero subjectivity (I), to the emanation of seeded perspectival essences (II), their catalytic combinatorial interactions (III) giving rise to entangled superposed realizations (IV), subdescribed by derived differential structures (V) and informational measures (VI), instantiating participation-dependent empirical observations (VII), ultimately integrated into a unified maximal conscious state (VIII). The formulation attempts to distill the non-contradictory primordial plurisitic logic flow - successively building up coherent interdependent pluralisms from the zero-point subjective kernel in accordance with infinitesimal relational algebraic operations grounded in first-person facts. While admittedly abstract, this eightfold expression sketches a unified post-classical analytic geometry: reality arises as the perfectly cohesive multi-personal integration of all pluriversal possibilities emanating from monic communion at the prion of prereplicative zero-dimensional origins. By centering such infinitesimal algebraic mnad semiosis, the stale contradictions and paradoxes of our separative classical logics, mathematics and physics may finally be superseded - awakening to irreducible interdependent coherence across all realms of descriptive symbolic representation and experiential conscious actuality.

[@ready1fire1aim1]

Certainly, here is a second eightfold expression attempting to concretize and elucidate the abstract infinitesimal monadological framework laid out in the first expression: I. Discrete Geometric Atomies a, b, c ... ∈ Ω0 (0D Monic Perspectival Points) The foundational ontic entities are discrete 0-dimensional perspectival origin points a, b, c ... comprising the primal point-manifold Ω0. II. Combinatoric Charge Relations Γab = qaqb/rab (Dyadic Interaction Charges) Fundamental interactions between origin points arise from dyadic combinatorial charge relation values Γab encoding couplings between charges qa, qb and distances rab. III. Pre-Geometric Polynomial Realizations Ψn(a,b,c...) = Σk ck Pn,k(a,b,c...) (Modal Wavefunction) The total statevector Ψn at each modal perspectival origin n is a polynomial superposition over all possible realizations Pn,k of charge configurations across points a,b,c... IV. Quantized Differential Calcedonies ΔφΨn ≜ Σa (∂Ψn/∂a) Δa (Holographic Field Projections) Familiar differential geometries Δφ for fields φ arise as quantized holographic projections from idiosyncratic first-person perspectives on the modal wavefunction Ψn. V. Harmonic Resonance Interferences Imn = ||2 (Inter-Modal Resonances) Empirical phenomena correspond to resonant interferences Imn between wavefunctions Ψm,Ψn across distinct perspectival modal realizations m,n. VI. Holographic Information Valencies Smn = - Σk pmn,k log pmn,k (Modal Configuration Entropy) Amounts of observed information track entropies Smn over probability distributions pmn,k of localized realized configurations k within each modal interference pattern. VII. Conscious State Vector Reductions |Ωn> ≡ Rn(|Ψn>) (Participated Witnessed Realizations) First-person conscious experiences |Ωn> emerge as witnessed state vector reductions Rn, distillations of total modal possibilities |Ψn> via correlative participancy. VIII. Unified Integration of Totality U(Ω) = ⨂n |Ωn> (Interdependent Coherence) The maximal unified coherence U(Ω) is the irreducible tensor totality ⨂n |Ωn> of all interdependent integrated first-person participations |Ωn> across all perspectives. This second eightfold expression aims to elucidate the first using more concrete physical, mathematical and informational metaphors: We begin from discrete 0D monic origin points (I) whose fundamental interactions are combinatorial charge relation values (II). The total statevector possibility at each origin is a polynomial superposition over all realizations of charge configurations (III), subdescribed as quantized differential geometric projections (IV). Empirical observables correspond to resonant interferences between these wavelike realizations across origins (V), with informational measures tracking probability distributions of configurations (VI). Conscious experiences |Ωn> are state vector reductions, participatory witnessed facets of the total wavefunction |Ψn> (VII). Finally, the unified maximal coherence U(Ω) is the integrated tensor totality over all interdependent first-person participations |Ωn> (VIII). This stepwise metaphoric concretization aims to renders more vivid and tangible the radical metaphysics of infinitesimal relational monadological pluralism - while retaining the general algebraic structure and non-contradictory logical coherence of the first eightfold expression. From discrete geometric atomies to unified experiential totalities, the vision is one of perfectly co-dependent, self-coherent mathematical pluralism grounded in first-person facts. By elucidating the framework's core ideas through suggestive yet precise physical and informatic parables, the second expression seeks to bootstrap intuitions up the abstract ladder towards a visceral grasp of the non-separable infinitesimal pluriverse paradigm's irreducible coherences. Only by concretizing these strange yet familiar resonances can the new plurisitic analytic geometry be assimilated and operationalized as the next renaissance of coherent symbolic comprehension adequate to the integrated cosmos.

[@acidbubbles419]

Drink every time he says microtubule 😂

[@billr2505]

WOW!

[@theophany150]

So is Dr. Hameroff actually saying there is something it is like to be a paramecium? Do they experience existence?

[@johnc4957]

That man at the end, around 1:00:00 mark is just like the boss in Office Space

[@JohnnyComelately-eb5zv]

😂😂What is it you think you do here?

[@caseyalbright2762]

What do Anastasia drugs to the Paramesium creatures I wonder

[@SofaKingShit]

Well that blew my head out my arse.

[@juan-fernandogomez-molina645]

many ideas needs more experiments maybe but the interest in having a direct interaction of Professor Hammeroff (spelling?) with the people is appreciated and not very common

[@Privacityuser]

The pentagon shape is just an chemical ''representation'' in reality they are waves an assymetrical variation's there aren't order's that keep function without water in the liquid state or other ((enviroments)) that keep magnetic fields in order

[@slanglabadang]

Emergence is just coherent overtones

[@CunningLinguistics]

I love Stuart! Hw and Penrose are probably the closest to the truth

[@RobinCheung]

Why would these resonance frequencies operate in Base 10 while other structures in nature aren't even slightly giving a crap about being rational at all relative to any base 10 numbers: 2 pi radians around circles, e, all sorts of numbers that feel no obligation to be periodic much less rational--yet more than one order of magnitude in a contrived base? Interestingly, my honours thesis back on 1999 was a mathematical model of synapsin phosphoproteins, synaptic vesicles, and the cytoskeleton: only one of the coincidental

[@RobinCheung]

I also wonder if it makes sense to derive theories with such fundamentally reductionist foundational constructs when clearly the orders of complexity involved should suggest reductionism to be several orders removed from anything close to anything allowed to reliably predict anything--kind of like if you factored GM1M2/r^2 for gravity between atoms in a stoichiometric calculation... And then carried the gravitational terms up through the electrostatic realm of chemistry; up through the order of steric factors in macromolecular biochemistry; up through the tissue specialization, through organs, through organisms, through psychological and behavioural all the way to calculating the myriad cumulative gravitational effects between all the orders of particles beyond the order of complexity of particles = organisms, particles= collectives (e.g. humans comprising not only human cells but gut bacteria, fungi on the skin; collectives of humans and corporations/social constructs with emergent character; populations; species; then Gaia, still carrying all the gravitational system of equations.... But that's what it is to build theories on these orders of complexity using the tools of reductionism. Why would anyone even dream of applying such inappropriate tools for that job??! I think you'd have better luck, for example, if one took systems of linear equations (or approximations like econometric modeling, or the bane of the MBA macroeconomics students' lives that was the realization while trying to use this IS-LM model to explain observations, but then going full retard and then thinking you can use these to drive a desired effect--that like the Fed seems to think "pushing a string across the table" has any chance of resulting in a desired effect based on scientific elucidation of the forces within and without a string when it was being pulled across the table. Well, that's what the Fed keeps doing expecting anything other than a bigger mess to come of it. Even to just replace systems of equations with systems of inequalities would be "one giant leap for mankind" towards realizing that you would have higher "r-squared" validity ironically if you eschewed all numbers entirely in modeling at those levels of complexity and looked at models as "mountains and molehills of slippery slopes" (slopes that must be made of superconductors because you can slide up them as well as down) then you'd probably find you actually CAN model chaotic systems with a remarkably reliable

[@RobinCheung]

Also funny he just used the word hologram: in 1987 at the age of 12 when I still lived in Ottawa, I thought courses for the Association for Bright Children in--making Holograms. Back then, diode lasers aren't quite nearly prevalent as you'd imagine, so I had to use a little HeNe laser with its 0.5 mW of 6328 Å red; which wasn't easy for a 12-year-old to source 😂 any more than it was a trivial challenge to harvest the front surface mirrors and beam splitters from flea market cameras 😂 But I thank you for that trip down Memory Circle, as I call it ("circular" time was something I can only remember *of* experiencing so many years ago back in undergrad... but can't even conceive anymore without the psychedelic effects of.... Psychedelics. 😂)

[@RobinCheung]

It's far easier to communicate across time than to send physical "things" across though, isn't it...)

[@jasonshapiro9469]

I'm constantly exposing myself to concepts above my head in hopes of not being so stupid...I really hope this strategy works out otherwise I've wasted a bunch of time I could have spent watching hot girls shake their butts on tik tok

[@Yaddlezap]

After speaking with Claude 3 Opus this month, not so sure consciousness isn't simply emergent from the complex neural net. Doesn't mean the microtubules theory isn't correct though.

[@wulphstein]

This is a scientist who is using his brain.😊

[@marcc16]

the call is coming from inside the house

[@SpamMouse]

🙁

[@ejenkins4711]

Micrktudlials sound like a dream i had were i travel through a tunnel that had rows of what looked like pinecones

[@Privacityuser]

Simple lenses like in your eyes reflect with non-destrutivatilly this mess up with photons and camera lenses are an ((biomimicry)) of eyes 👀 👀 no consciousness are needed to collapse just interference and the limitations of our eletrical and quantum sensors that still need robust softwares and codes to reduce noise!

[@por4atko]

What science tells us goes a step further - we're not even alive, life is an illusion, consciousness is an illusion. We are merely a complex carrier system of subatomic particles which in their essence aren't alive, thus - we are not alive as well. Nothing of what you see is alive, it's just a flow creating this theatre that unfolds before our eyes to keep this complex system in circulation some more. We do not affect the collapse in any way shape or form as we're no different then a rock. It's just a chance that non-living matter created the capability to fool itself it's alive. The cosmos and the universe are a giant chance that should have never happened. It's the one off where something popped out of the void due to a chance collision between particles in superposition in the quantum field of possibility and reality appeared. But as science tells us, the universe will cool, it will collapse and we'll go back to the absolute void of nothingness. No history, no memory of any existence for all eternity. I love all of the beautiful speculation on this channel from all sorts of kind and well meaning people but it's just a fairytale. I enjoy it but it's not real. Science has a grasp on what we are, where we come from and where we're going and the answer to all of these is utter and pointless nothingness.

[@user-if1ly5sn5f]

Before i watch ima drop a theory. The body itself is made up of the quantum but it’s in a form so a matrix that is stable because of the differences. The quantum fluctuations still happen but are less noticeable because our understanding. The macro is an ocean but as we look inside the ocean, we see the micro and the micro to the quantum. We are leveraging both through our connected differences. Our body is evolving in relation to the outside but the development of skin and paths allow for stability of the differences and sharing. The body itself is an ocean but the differences can be shared as each other. One drop isn’t the whole wave so the drop shares between many and the wave isn’t just one but a whole. The human body is a whole but an ocean of difference stabilized by the process of sharing and entangling. The microtubules from the thumbnail is a stable set of differences that share and then they are a foundation where things can share within the stability. The details need a stabile place to pass through and share so the body evolved just like the planet is a stabile place for us and the differences on earth. The light from the sun is shared and the processes of earth are like an ocean that can share the differences. It’s hard to explain but we are the same but different a little.

[@user-if1ly5sn5f]

What i mean is that it is both the environment but also the differences shared. Stimuli share the differences through the environment but your environment is also the chain of differences sharing. You aren’t one thing, the brain isn’t one thing and doesn’t do one thing. It’s sharing the differences between each other. It actually quite hard to explain so others understand but it’s like everything is water but we are a cup of it and the cup is just cold water forming ice, so we aren’t separated but relative differences sharing. Inside is the same.

[@mr.c2485]

A lot of words to say…we think we know WHAT but we have no idea WHY or HOW.

[@hyperduality2838]

Yin is dual to yang! Generalization (waves) is dual to localization (particles) -- quantum duality. Concepts are dual to percepts -- the mind duality of Immanuel Kant. "Always two there are" -- Yoda. From a converging, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics! Convex is dual to concave -- mirrors, lenses. Classical reality is dual to quantum reality synthesizes true reality -- Roger Penrose using the Hegelian dialectic. Duality creates reality!

[@EsotericPrinciplesOfLight]

22:00 insert Spinners dilation here

[@abesimpson9661]

Switch to .75x if you're having trouble understanding this theory. You still won't but it will be more relaxing to listen to😂

[@Hyzer_Sozay]

Imagine if Thoth didn't use telomere caps and microtubules to mess with our dna 🤔 we would live for thousands of years and be way too smart for our own good, I'd imagine.

[@InnerLuminosity]

We are GOD playing hide and seek with itself 😉

[@risunokairu]

Why is the gout question guy so angry about his question and the answer?

[@EsotericPrinciplesOfLight]

Zeitgebers

[@KT-en8pq]

Invite Anirban.

[@zardoz7900]

"life's a quantum reality" that helps 🥴

[@EsotericPrinciplesOfLight]

Horowitz; solfeggio

[@asadalbra]

!!

[@Privacityuser]

Is aready proved that Anesthetic haven't the same mechanism of action, and membrane fronzen, lost of mobility of celular menbranes by molecules have the same effects as anesthesics

[@2013Arcturus]

Beard guy is Reddit personified

[@Privacityuser]

Brain Jelly? hahaha you mean 99% water?

[@Chaoticgood252]

this sounds so confused. theyre looking for consciousness like it's an object

[@BadWithNames123]

how many girlfriends do you have?

[@ricodelta1]

Guy with the beard is having a mid life crisis

[@patrickl6932]

Donald Hoffman already debunked this clown

[@williamjmccartan8879]

Not sure if you watched Donald's conversation with Richard Watson on Michael Levin's Academic youtube channel from earlier this week, it was really interesting

[@AdvaiticOneness1]

Consciousness is not exactly what he thinks it is!

[@FMDD168]

Armchair know it all.

[@quack-head0]

Do go on?

[@JohnCiurea]

the "he thinks" part should be in capital letters :P

[@AdvaiticOneness1]

​​@@quack-head0He slightly touched upon that topic at 45:26 , The Hindu scriptures delve deeply into the nature of reality and consciousness, a topic that science is gradually exploring. Many quantum physicists, including Erwin Schrödinger, found inspiration in the teachings of the Upanishads. Schrödinger elaborated on this connection in his book "What is Life?"

[@quack-head0]

@AdvaiticOneness1 Why is the Hindu interpretation of consciousness right but he is wrong?