MiG-21 vs Atlantique Incident (India-Pakistan 1999)

[@showtime112]

Not all the assets in this reenactment are 100% historical. The Pakistani Atlantique is represented by a transport Antonov since that was the closest thing available in DCS World. There's no need to 'correct' this. Thank you!

[@Charanms]

Forget Military aircraft, Pakistan had shot down Civilian aircraft in September 1965 even after Pilot confirming with the Ground station more than once. The aircraft carried a Chief minister of an Indian state and seven more people.The Indian Airforce has not willingly done it in History. Years later the Captain of the Pakistani aircraft asked for forgiveness and confirmed that the narrative . So stop all this nonsense of how would you feel.

[@akashvermaluckey]

True

[@abdullahjawed7596]

Source ?

[@akashvermaluckey]

@@abdullahjawed7596 search it on web... Why paf shot indian civilian aircraft during 65war

[@hindaviswarajya8853]

@@abdullahjawed7596 Google the name “Balwant Rai Mehta”, you’ll get your answer.

[@proxy5061]

Yes this is true, pilot confirmed that he has lost the route, but it was shot down deliberately

[@mr.normalguy69]

Aggression or not, why on Earth would a Pakistani plane go inside the Indian airspace? And if it didn't, why would it fly close to the Indian border without any fighter escort? Especially considering that both India and Pakistan fought a war against each other just one or two months ago? I'm no pilot or air marshal, but either the Pakistani side was over confident to not send any escort for their plane in case they get shot down, or they were over confident to think that a Pakistani plane would return home alive from an Indian air space if they didn't comply. It just makes no sense...

[@showtime112]

One of the options is that they didn't think Indian interceptors would actually shoot. But maybe we'll never know for sure.

[@venom8638]

There is a gentleman's agreement between india and Pakistan not shoot down on such events. Lahore (Pakistan) and Amratsir (India) are so close to border that mostly airspace violation do happen but is understood by both sides. In my humble opinion, it was a sorry state of events by IAF.

[@mr.normalguy69]

@@venom8638 If countries don't value actual written agreements in times of hostility, one can only wonder how worthless 'gentlemen's agreement' would be. Just because both India and Pakistan have been hospitable enough to tolerate each other's airspace violation, doesn't mean it's going to be that way for too long, nevermind an actual war. Whoever was in charge of the Pakistani air force, should've sent at least one or two escorts if they wanted thier men to return home alive. That is *assuming* the Pakistani plane did enter Indian air space and then refused to comply, thus getting shot down.

[@ashtonbailey3970]

It happened once but India has done it 4 times!

[@ashtonbailey3970]

India did it 7 times but with armed fighters & subs. Pakistan only shot down 5

[@varungaur8731]

In 1965 war, pakistani airforce already shot down an Indian civil aircraft carrying ministers. Is this not a cowardly act???

[@BlueOcean...]

Not at all. Both sides were using civilian planes for military purpose during that war due to shortage of planes. BBC has reported on that incident. Pakistani pilot contacted a number of times before shooting.

[@bruuhminecraft6549]

@@BlueOcean... Thank you for elaborating

[@mbvlogs8306]

@@BlueOcean... No go and read the letter of Pak pilots to the daughter of dead Indian pilot. That Indian pilot asked mercy by wing movement but Pak fighter jets fired missiles

[@akp3097]

@@bruuhminecraft6549india didn’t use civilian aircraft. It was chief minister travelling from delhi… u won’t find single use of civilian aircraft for military purpose

[@bruuhminecraft6549]

@@mbvlogs8306 India:Lesson learned. Don't fck with Pakistan airforce

[@twowheelstouring482]

I think it's fair enough, if you follow the interceptors and land everyone lives, the stink is short lived and a few weeks later the crew fly home. Silly mistake by PAF/Navy.

[@showtime112]

That's the most probable explanation, I'd say.

[@showtime112]

@Ghost Rider And you stop misunderstanding things.

[@সুমন্তনাগ]

@@showtime112 Please ignore this troll, you have done a great thing by unfurling the History and I appreciate your work, as an Indian, from the neutral point of view, I think all the sixteen should have been alive, if they obey the order from the interceptor.

[@calledfenrir]

But it is disputed that this aircraft ever went inside indian territory. How could they surrender to a foreign interceptor if they thought they were inside their own space?

[@anoldsouldwanderer1461]

we did treat the 90,000+ surrendered Pakistani POW's from 1971 with VIP standards for POW status so I agree with you on that they would've been scolded, spanked and sent back home if they'd had landed xP xD

[@usamakhan7856]

16 naval officers dead for what? Following stupid orders. They could have pulled back or complied by landing and surrendering at an Indian airbase. But when you fuel your men with unnecessary nationalism without question you sentence them to an early grave. I salute our Indian Airforce Pilots for their outstanding service and valor.

[@rahilobhan7247]

Basically it's supposed to fly over seas..not over ..land n once warned to land on the nearest India' Air force base..it should ve followed it..they were responsible for their own mistake or oversmartness ..sad they didn't listened to the MiG 21 warning..it was on a secret mission other wise why did they not obeyed..they could be several reasons..but we need to protect our borders.. God bless..n hope the Pak Air force do not act stupid again..

[@entertainmentworld3100]

Prashant Bundela was my uncle and I am proud of him

[@Xbhimanyu11]

We are proud of all our heros who sacrificed their life in the line of duty.. I remember the day this incident happened. jai hind🇮🇳

[@Shubham_Bahirat]

The whole nation is proud of him.

[@nit23sharma]

He passed away later in a mig crash

[@nearchd504]

Vandey matram

[@box8brewing829]

This isn't quickly becoming my favorite aviation channel, it's been my favorite for some time now! Again, an amazing military aviation lesson by the best DCS aircraft historian on KZbin. Showtime112 has become the go to channel and continues to provide excellent content as usual. Keep up the great work!

[@showtime112]

Thanks a lot for this great feedback!

[@asmitasinha6547]

@@showtime112 Hey man can you make a seperate video about Attack on H3 airbase during Iraq Iran war?? Please also make a video about Battle of boyra during 1971 war

[@Dhksksjjsjjs]

Navy aircraft training over land, making navigational mistake(for around half an hour)... With full crew over enemy Land for 20+ minutes, and they didn't comply with interceptors Totally believable... Pakistanis! Do they really expect enemy to just let go of their aircraft, which most probably has sensitive intel?!!

[@vprithviraj175]

If they have sensitive Intel they would have transmitted it right. Did they have that tech at that time pls reply man....

[@RealPlatoishere]

@@vprithviraj175 there are various calculations and other informations that cannot be transmitted

[@NitinSharma-bx6qf]

They couldn't even deploy flares

[@eternal2780]

As an American I can only say pakistan has a habit of playing double games

[@showtime112]

There seems to be a pattern of changing their stories a lot.

[@ghazanhussain2070]

Hahah I love the part how Pakistan killed American soldiers with the help of Taliban 😂😂😂😂 keep it up boys 😛

[@chabmondetosen4622]

Yes and your government have a strange habit to help pakistan

[@rockrocker9226]

It is high time you stop supporting these terrorist supporters and liars. They continually lied to world that bin Laden is not in Pakistan till they were exposed after he was killed in Pakistan itself by Americans.. If they had trusted the pakistanis to find him he would still be alive directing terrorists from Pakistan. Such a terrible pathetic nation and their ideology. Thing is that Pakistan is an Islamic country built on Islamic ideology. So it will always support terrorists with Islamic ideology be it al Qaeda or Isis. Only thing is when you feed a snake to bite others the snake will bite the hand that feeds it too.

[@munnumkhalid]

Americans need to get taste of their own medicine. While they were fighting Taliban Afghanistan. They were creating ttp in Afghanistan with India. Double games on both side.

[@nicolasrouvreau8365]

You don't wan't to follow the interceptor ? Great, now explain yourself to the missile.

[@C_pahi]

Don't argue with our sweet Pakistani friends Just say "PKMKB" and leave 👀

[@_hunterz_]

Ikmkb permanent 🔥💚

[@aksh5793]

@@_hunterz_ imran khan ki mkb 🤪🤪🤪

[@rasanasarangi3772]

@@_hunterz_ 😂 Dude why did you roast your pak pm seriously did you even know what you just said

[@_hunterz_]

@@rasanasarangi3772 i 👇 India

[@darkflick6572]

@@_hunterz_ ik- imran Khan bro 😎😎

[@andrewlambert7246]

It was worth much more than the helicopter, Mig 27, Mig 21. Thats how things are done. It helped France secure a new order.

[@DonzaiNoHana]

11 French engineers were later killed in Karachi, Pakistan in a bomb blast in 2002

[@unknownfromkashmir]

Seconded.

[@Nomadic209]

Exactly

[@919003725979]

Exactly the right decision was taken by Indian defense.

[@pablopeter3564]

By bringing pack this aviation historical events you are paying tribute to the parties who were involved in this conflict, regardless of the side and political matters. Thanks, great video, as usual.

[@showtime112]

Well, my point is to point out to some of these events, many of which are forgotten. But not to raise tensions or anything like that. We learn history to liberate ourselves from it. We just need to be aware of it.

[@jawarakf]

@@showtime112 keep up the good work!

[@showtime112]

@@jawarakf Thanks!

[@asmitasinha6547]

@@showtime112 I was wondering why have you uploaded any video on this particular incident. Finally found it. 🥰. As an Indian I can confirm its pretty accurate

[@suryanarayansaraf1244]

Fine job by IAF. Jai Hind.

[@sovietalien9976]

Pakistan took this case to international Court of Justice at hague it that Demanded 65 million Dollars as compensation from india 35 million dollars as the cost of the plane and 25 million dollars for the families of it's sailors who lost their lives indian side was represented by then Attorney General Sorabjee at thr international court of justice The 15 judge bench at Hague gave it's ruling in Indias favour making it clear that it was Pakistani Naval aircraft which violated Indian airspace ignoring repeated warming signals given by Indian fighter planes it's Order also vindicated Indian stand that Indian air force followed a fully professional approach as per thr rule book It was a double blow for Pakistan. First it lost its case in international court of justice at hague and second that it suffered huge monetary loss of around 4 hundred thousand dollars which spend on the fee of the lawyers to fight this case.

[@karantikoo9302]

gajab bezati (extreme humiliation)

[@dumdumbrown4225]

Hey mate 🇭🇷 great video and fantastic narrative 👍🏽 greetings from Oz 🇦🇺 Sad to see how many excellent IAF pilots India has lost to the failures of MiG 21 Bisons 😢 Jai Hind 🇮🇳

[@showtime112]

Glad you liked the video, thanks. True, the 21 has proven to be very dangerous to its pilots.

[@BlueOcean...]

Soon you'll be blaming Dassault Rafale for the same reason 😉

[@sirpatriarch8122]

​@@BlueOcean... Doubt it especially when you've got Junk Fighter 17 to top the list 😁

[@rankingresearchdata]

@@BlueOcean... no blame for latest aircraft which are modern but you can blame that old flying coffin who take many lives because of engine or something failure. I hate that aircraft Rafael is gorgeous compare to any mig aircraft except 1-2

[@IGLArocknroll]

An excellent and informative video, as always. As a neutral observer I'd say: Pakistan is solely responsible for this. ELINT and recce missions are pretty commonplace between adversaries, and sometimes the crews get too enthusiastic about their mission and cross the borders. Ground control should've warned them when they crossed the border to return to Pakistani airspace immediately, and that would've certainly resulted in a diplomatic incident, but no loss of life, or at least they should've warned them to head home immediately when they spotted the two Indian interceptors on their radar. I know, landing at an airbase of a potential enemy would've meant serious consequences, due to the sensitive nature of their mission, but even if they lost contact with ground control, they should've landed at an Indian Air Force base, just like the EP-3 did at Hainan. This has left the Indians with no other viable options, as letting the Atlantique fly home without any hindrance was not an option.

[@showtime112]

Thank you for this elaborate comment! I have to say that I quite agree with everything you've written. With no emotional involvement, that's how things seem.

[@IGLArocknroll]

@@showtime112 Thank you for taking the time to reply! Indeed, emotional involvement sometimes blurs the line between hard facts and wishful thinking. Another topic: do you plan to cover similar incidents in the future? Like the above mentioned forced landing of the EP-3 at Hainan, or the 1978 Iranian Chinook shootdown (4 Chinooks crossed the border and ended up in Soviet airspace, 2 of them were shot down, the other two managed to flee)?

[@showtime112]

@@IGLArocknroll I do plan to cover similar incidents. Whenever I can find enough facts and it we have at least similar assets in DCS.

[@asmitasinha6547]

@@showtime112 Dude if possible please make a video about Iranian attack on Iraqi H3 airbase during Iraq Iran war

[@trkayani4949]

Nope Indians were committed to land him in India or shot down , there was no third option.

[@mudassarnawaz8635]

As a Pakistani I'd say that this was a gross negligence and incompetence of Pak Navy. Ground control should've ordered it to return when Migs were picked on the radar or coordinate with Air force to scramble fighter jets from PAF base Masroor in Karachi. I hope that the mission planners and ground controllers were punished and court marshalled by Navy.

[@showtime112]

Thanks for contributing your thoughts!

[@NitinSharma-bx6qf]

They could have landed on an Indian airport ....they would have lived...even the plane would have been given back....why the fuck they would think about outrunning a Mig....it's like trying to outrun a bike in a truck

[@hello-dt6gq]

@@NitinSharma-bx6qf pak thinks they are superior.

[@umermirza9298]

​@@NitinSharma-bx6qf As your abhi thought?

[@thefactpinata919]

@@NitinSharma-bx6qf I agree. The MIG-21 can easily and comfortably reach speeds over Mach 2.0. The GODDAMNED Briguet Atlantique will struggle to reach Mach 0.6. Btw- A better example is, "Like trying to outrun a Formula One car on a unicycle."

[@nayandutta168]

Being an Indian who's in the Aviation industry...this is damn accurate.

[@showtime112]

Thanks for making that comment!

[@SUMANDAS-vw7tr]

Are u from West Bengal

[@nayandutta168]

@@SUMANDAS-vw7tr Yes

[@dante666jt]

@@nayandutta168 hails to the Bengal regiment

[@kun14al07]

@@dante666jt there is no such regiment

[@ruturajshiralkar5566]

Sqn Ldr Prashant Bundela - The Man who downed the Atlantique

[@9Rehankhan19]

And unarmed one. And you’re proud of it? Remember tea is Fantastic? Now that’s a proud moment

[@ShreyasPatil-c4s]

@@9Rehankhan19 your country had broken into 2 pieces and still you are commenting tea is fantastic

[@nayan028]

😂😂

[@mike-oj7sy]

​@@ShreyasPatil-c4s still Abhi Rand don surrender was fantastic 🤣🤣🤣

[@ShreyasPatil-c4s]

@@mike-oj7sy 93000 soldiers surrender was fantastic 😂

[@shuban4988]

Kinda did feel bad for them at first but then again the Pilot's never complied so they brought it upon themselves......anyways once again an awesome job mate keep up the good work and godspeed :)

[@showtime112]

Thank you very much for the comment and good wishes!

[@anitalee8108]

Moran... they were in their own air space... proof is the wreckage fell well within Pakistani Airspace & then the Indias tried to move some of the debris but were detected by US satellites who informed Pakistan & the Indian ran pissing in their pants....

[@takaharatanaka8818]

As a retired US Army Rotary Wing Aviator: I very much appreciate your fairness. Things are never black & white especially to the flight crews when, ECM, ECCM & all sorts of weird shit gets deployed. Flying is rather chaotic at times. Sometimes a minute here, a minute there can result in being kilometers from where one thinks one is. Quite honestly, shit happens. (SHRUG) other times, it is exactly what it looks like it is.

[@showtime112]

Thank you, you are one of the people who sees these videos as they are intended to be.

[@envitech02]

We call this the fog of war. Who shot what at whom at where is a question that can not be easily determined.

[@iljajekimov4997]

You are making historical moments come to life for us. That's great job again!!!

[@showtime112]

Glad you enjoy it! More to come!

[@DiaconescuAlexandru2024]

Great content as always, the scene at 08:25 must have taken A LOT of tries ! I also appreciate you being neutral in the story and playing devil's advocate for the pakistanis.

[@showtime112]

Thanks for the positive comment! As for that scene, actually it wasn't too difficult. It only took a couple of tries. Often, I need to try things for 20 or more times :)

[@DiaconescuAlexandru2024]

@@showtime112 damn

[@नितिनअग्रवाल]

Also, you can't ignore the fact that this happened just weeks after India won a war against Pakistan (kargil war)

[@rahianant9621]

India and Pakistan share a very non uniform zig-zag form of a border. So saying the plane fell in Pakistan doesn't make much of a defense. Had the pilot just followed the orders it could have been solved diplomatically but trying to evade a fighter will always put you at risk for either side be it India or Pakistan especially when you just had an all out war few months ago.

[@michaelpascual3581]

Absolutely love this channel. It's nice seeing engagements from a perspective that's not American or Israeli.

[@showtime112]

Thanks! I think that's why many are attracted to it (even though USA has the highest percentage of viewers). And the videos from 'the other side' tend to be more popular for some reason.

[@aaj3683]

Great video from a neutral observer standpoint. Imo, this was solely the result of stupidity from PAF. A ridiculous mission from the start. If they were probing air defence than they should be aware that two Interceptors are launched asap. So without any delay thay should have turned back instead they took unexplainable and stupid decision and paid the price with the live of 16 trained men. I don't know whose decision it was to continue on indian airspace after interceptors were launched, the flight commander or mission controller? But whoever it was, that person don't deserve to serve in air force. Although indian action of firing towards an unarmed plane could be interpreted as cowardly but given the circumstances and timeframe, it is understandable.

[@reyone257]

terrorism supporter Pakistan sham on you

[@showtime112]

Some interesting points indeed. In fact, why the Atlantique turned south is a bit of a mystery.

[@Slicer400]

@@abhassharma1468 exactly

[@patricksiemens]

You cant call it coward to protect the sovereignty of your air space! Who know they might be collecting sensitive information regarding border operations and Indians thinking them to be unarmed would have called off the strike only for the information to get to the pakistani side and them launching a strike mission with this new found intel!

[@atharvasapre8578]

How is it cowardly?

[@VivekSingh-fb8vp]

Good work sir 👍 Love from India🇮🇳

[@showtime112]

Thank you for commenting!

[@admiralterrinaldscreed2591]

From what I understand, The Atlantique training mission did often include slightly intruding into Indian airspace and retreating before the Kargil war. This was more or less ignored in order to avoid any escalation by the Indian side. However, post Kargil war and the Indian side claiming the torture and mutilation of one of their down captured pilots during the war. IAF was looking for some sort of a payback and they got their chance this time when the Atlantique tried pulling out the same stunt.

[@wolffury5019]

I still mourn our Mig-21 pilot who suffered in the hands of Paki Barberians. I will always remember his Supreme Sacrifice for Our India!

[@SKumar-kp7fq]

India avenged the shooting down of two Mig-21s earlier in the kargil war with the Atlantique, it was naive of Pakistan to think that the intrusion won't be challenged by India !

[@fahadrahman8996]

😂😂. Kid. Our airforce puts your airforce to Shane. Your pilots are like children.

[@SKumar-kp7fq]

You have a airforce???...Where its parked, do you have money for aviation fuel???

[@whysoserious7553]

@@fahadrahman8996 ya we saw that in 1971 war how brave Pakistan airforce was

[@fahadrahman8996]

@@whysoserious7553 m.m alam. Pakistani fighter pilot. Downed 5 indian aircraft in under a minute. Abhinandan. First kid pilot sent by India with big moustache to get a bloody nose and tea.

[@whysoserious7553]

@@fahadrahman8996 y did u stop at 5 say Pakistan pilots downed whole Indian air force within 5 minutes and took back kashmir and east pakistan 🤣🤣🤣🤣 get lost Pakistani madrasas graduate 🤣🤣🤣. Pakistan is begging other countries to survive yet here you're thinking Pakistan can still defeat India 😂😂

[@donparker1823]

This is quickly becoming my favorite aviation channel. Great detail (except perhaps the night engagements) and very interesting and obscure history that I've never heard of before.

[@showtime112]

Thanks for your positive feedback!

[@showtime112]

Thanks, keep watching!

[@mallik084]

Right decision by Indian interceptor

[@PunjabHP]

This was Fantastic too

[@showtime112]

Thanks for your support!

[@rahulbhattacharjee5602]

Lovely indian airforce we are proud of you

[@srijanme]

You mean piece of shite airforce? 😂😂😂

[@samjeh]

The fact that the Pakistani radar units didn't call its aircraft back is a clear indicator for a reconnaissance mission. The Pak Navy is responsible for the death of the airmen. In Germany the responsables would have faced military justice and would have stand trial for its incompetence. Or for giving stupid orders which is even worse.

[@rahianant9621]

You are taking about a developed democratic country following procedures. Pakistan and China don't fall in this category. You remember how after Chinese troops used iron rods on Indian troops which was supposed to be a no weapons border as per the agreement. Quickly stated how they lost no soldiers at all whereas India declared almost the same day that it lost 21 soldiers. After couple of months of the incident they released a video in which they were paying respect to the graves of the soldiers that died which proves that they don't care about procedures.

[@DonzaiNoHana]

In Pakistan, they become dictators. Case in point is General Pervez Musharraf who ordered his men in the summer of 1999 to scale up Kargil heights on a suicidal mission. In any serious country, he would have been trialled and court martialled but in Banana Republic of Pakistan he soon mounted a coup and deposed democratically elected sitting PM.

[@whysoserious7553]

You're talking about a country ruled by army. Every Pakistan general are millionaire

[@llama1910]

Again another highly interesting story, very well presented and reenactment!

[@showtime112]

Thanks a lot for another comment!

[@KidCoLand190]

Wow great video and beautifully expression Which software you are using for this kind of creation???

[@showtime112]

Thanks! A flight simulation called DCS World was used.

[@ashu2arya]

In 1965 Pakistan Dighter Aircrafts shot dead a VIP civilian aircraft carrying Chief Minister of Gujarat.... Which is much serious than shooting down a Spy Plane

[@DrBeckerHamilton]

If yours is not a fighter aircraft then you immediately comply with interceptor asking you to land.. that's the rule of game.. specially if you are a military aircraft

[@neeruda1980]

Thanks for sharing this video with an neutral eye. Feel sorry for the soldiers who died in the line of duty, no matter which side they were on. May they rest in peace.

[@showtime112]

Thank you very much for commenting!

[@chandranchandran9159]

The moment I saw the Antonov I thought like "Whaat?......." in confusion and thank you for explaining why an Atlantique wasn't there in the video. Excellent production. RIP those 16 souls. (knew Bundela when has was a Filight lieutenant (Sqn Pilot) in the western sector. RIP Wg Cdr Bundela)

[@showtime112]

Thanks for commenting and understanding!

[@andrewmorke]

As usual, you deliver an interesting and impressive recreation!

[@showtime112]

Thank you so much 😀

[@gauravg9810]

In 1965 pakistan shot down an Indian civil aircraft carrying Gujarat Chief Minister Mr Balwant Rai Mehta, a well known and important leader, known for his work in Panchayati Raj development in India and gave its famous report in 1957.

[@akashchakraborty4398]

Just remember one thing India never ever provoke any other country first. We do not use propaganda.

[@RamiJatuk69]

You do. And as of propaganda, go watch zee tv

[@akashchakraborty4398]

@@RamiJatuk69 it shows the harsh reality... Which is bitter for people like you.

[@singatakberpura]

Aviator here..The indians were very professional in their method towards the intruder in their airspace.

[@showtime112]

Thanks for commenting!

[@StreetBobber]

Great video ST112! Really appreciate all the effort that you put into each and every post of yours.

[@showtime112]

Thank you very much for your support!

[@thefactpinata919]

@@showtime112 You're the best bro! REALLY appreciate your videos. Also the aggressive left bank by the Atlantique/Antonov and you surviving must have been difficult to do correctly.

[@starfighter1043]

It's awesome what you're doing...giving us the past in the present without ANY bias...I honestly cannot believe it, it's refreshing to say the least. To learn and see what occurred in real life without actuly being involved and without any political nonsense its mind blowing some of these engagements real people were involved in...one of my favorites if yall haven't saw it was the a4 Skyhawks hitting ground targets and dodge like 6 Sams

[@showtime112]

Thanks! I'm glad you see things this way because this is exactly the aim of this channel. A historian tries not to be biased (and sometime succeeds 😁). Interestingly, there is a whole bunch of Pakistanis who think this is extremely biased. And on that video about a Pakistani Sabre that shot down an Indian MiG-21, there was a whole bunch of Indians who thought that was biased. It's a funny world 😁

[@Jupitor108]

GREAT VIDEO SIR!!! PAF Atlantiq should have obeyed the command to land at the nearest IAF air base, that would have saved their lives. Almost never such planes are kept back, and they are returned. Turning into Mig-21 was an aggressive action, a mistake that needed a shoot down order - this proved to PAF - IF YOU FK with IAF, YOU DIE. IN ANY CASE - AVENGED : THE BRUTAL KILLINGS OF Lt. Saurabh Kalia whose eyes were gauged out, his platoon, and that of Gr. Capt. Ajay Ahuja who was shot by a 9mm pistol across his temple - all done by the Cowardly Pakistani Army.

[@showtime112]

Thank you for your comment!

[@kaushikganguli1091]

Lt Kalia will be avenged only if similar treatment is given to a Pakistani army officer

[@Jupitor108]

@@kaushikganguli1091 : Bro, Indian Army adheres to highest standards of code of conduct. I am sure there are 3rd degree dished out to enemy soldiers who are captured and they are temporarily disabled for any further combat, being Barbaric is not in our ethos. 16 dead PAF soldiers was good enough for us. They all burned and charred to death, there can't be more painful death.

[@sovietalien9976]

Pakistan took this case to international Court of Justice at hague it that Demanded 65 million Dollars as compensation from india 35 million dollars as the cost of the plane and 25 million dollars for the families of it's sailors who lost their lives indian side was represented by then Attorney General Sorabjee at thr international court of justice The 15 judge bench at Hague gave it's ruling in Indias favour making it clear that it was Pakistani Naval aircraft which violated Indian airspace ignoring repeated warming signals given by Indian fighter planes it's Order also vindicated Indian stand that Indian air force followed a fully professional approach as per thr rule book It was a double blow for Pakistan. First it lost its case in international court of justice at hague and second that it suffered huge monetary loss of around 4 hundred thousand dollars which spend on the fee of the lawyers to fight this case.

[@chandranchandran9159]

was not PAF a/c it was their navy's

[@zagreb123123]

Stvarno nisam dugo komentirala.. odlican video!👌

[@showtime112]

Da, zabušavaš malo 🤣🤣🤣

[@gojkokravljaca7817]

Odlican video 👍 Da li bi mozda mogao napraviti video o obaranju Milenka Pavlovica 1999. ???

[@showtime112]

Hvala! Planiram obrađivati i događaje iz 1999. Je li njega oborio nizozemski F-16?

[@gojkokravljaca7817]

@@showtime112 Da oni su ga oborili mislim sa 3 rakete , usput ima dokumentarac let u smrt o tom dogadjaju I hvala na odgovoru :)

[@showtime112]

@@gojkokravljaca7817 To mi je bilo u nekakvom planu. A taj dokumentarac mi je jedan drugi gledatlj predložio. Stavit ću ga u nekakav plan gledanja u skorijoj bubućnosti.

[@gojkokravljaca7817]

@@showtime112 ima jos mnogo dokumentaraca o bombardovanju npr. Niko nije rekao necu , preporuci bih ti da ih pogledas

[@dante666jt]

Thanks for sharing these high quality stuffs to the masses, Sir. Highly appreciated

[@showtime112]

Thank you for liking the content!

[@manishbhoola]

Pakistan denied claim of soldiers who died fighting for their country's flag , and given a proper military funeral as per religious beliefs of the dead soldiers by Indian side. This says it all about which forces act professional. What kind of a navy sends a bunch of trainees to train in to the hottest war zone in the world that too a month after a bitter war !

[@Rajveer_Singh68]

I'm learning more from you than my history books🤣

[@showtime112]

Thanks a lot! Books lack that visual element I guess.

[@PragatiCreationsRnD]

1:19 - 2:09 Super LIKE for Mig-21 take off ❤

[@showtime112]

Glad you liked it!

[@capnkente1]

I have a question on the MiG-21's loudout......arent the aux fuel tanks mounted on the inner hard point, and the missles on the outers?

[@capnkente1]

nope, I'm wrong......there are multiple pictures of Indian MiG-21's with fuel tanks on the outer wing hard points......d'Oh!

[@FlightSimHistorian]

I've only ever come across this story in tiny shards. Thanks for bringing it into better focus!

[@showtime112]

Thanks for appreciating it!

[@mridul554]

In this case the PAK plane entered Indian territory and got hit ... Earlier PAF entered in India and shot one passenger plane with a chief minister onboard ... Think that's a cowardly act

[@siddharthshekhawat5502]

Squadron leader Prashant bundela is from my own village ,a small village in rajasthan ,,,,the facts that present are accurate..

[@showtime112]

Thank you for contributing with that!

[@viklovescheesecake]

Is this DCS world? While landing the Mig21 - during the roll out - you managed to keep the nose wheel up for a while. There’s no way to do this on the module I have. The nose wheel comes down as soon as the mains touch down. How are you able to keep the nose wheel up?

[@showtime112]

That's actually AI landing. Sometimes, I just don't feel like landing and instead, I arrange AI to do it. Easier that way.

[@zsus1]

You can keep your nose landing gear up for sometime after main gear touch down, if your landing speed is high or in case of flap-less approach and AOA is more than normal (should be.. in this case). this is from practical field, don't know about DCS MiG 21.

[@rameshsnayar]

@@zsus1 You can keep it up as long as you have some stabiliser authority. Used to do that myself when I was flying MiG-21s, though its slightly more difficult on the bis variant

[@subhro1019]

20 mins u can't be there in another country's airspace that also with a military plane that is capable for ASW, their is no navigational error but act of war...ICJ has given the right judgement and whatever the Sq Leader Bundela has done is perfectly right...A clear case of instigating war

[@punitlovey]

Hi... Veri nice!!! Can you please share, which simulator this was??

[@showtime112]

It's DCS World. You can try it for free here: www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/

[@madridstas]

It's an amazing video and more than that your story telling makes your videos even better. Keep making interesting videos as you always do. Just to make it even for some commenters, try making a video of PAF F-86 shooting down an Indian Civilian Aircraft in 1965..... it's just that definition of coward has 2-3 different versions for our western neighbours. 1965 incident, 1999 invasion plan etc.

[@showtime112]

Thank you for your comment and positive feedback. I have to admit that I wasn't familiar with the story you mentioned but I will try to do some research. If there's enough information, it could be covered on the channel!

[@bhushanchawla8611]

" Are we supposed to have visitors today?"... " Negative Sir "

[@LockOnNow]

Thanks once more for another outstanding Showtime112 video. 👍There we go again, Indians vs Indians 🤦‍♂️ (at last, that's my personal opinion). One of the reasons I stick with this channel is ! The way Showtime112 presents those past historian incidents is just priceless, watch how the Pakistani pilot pulls left distressing the IAF MIG-21 damn it how he got the timing right 👍 can imagine it's not an easy task to do that in a game like DCS🤔. For me, this is one of the best DCS channels when it comes to historical aviation incidents not saying that the other DCS channels are bad, but I think Showtime fills in a long-awaited gap 🤗 when it comes to historic events in aviation it's the way how he gets it along the community. Thanks once more for another outstanding Showtime112 video. 👍🙏 Would be great if you could list your Computer Setup in the description for example like are you using IR Tracking if I may ask?

[@showtime112]

Thank you for your continuous appreciation! That part with the Pakistani airplane making a turn wasn't actually very difficult to do. It's just a few mission editor tricks 😁 Regarding my PC configuration, it's AMD Ryzen 5 1400 processor, Sapphire Pulse RX580 4GB graphic card and 32 GB of RAM. I use Thrustmaster 16000M HOTAS and Delanclip head tracker. DCS details are kinda custom set, high airplane textures, low ground textures, no anti-aliasing or such.

[@LockOnNow]

@@showtime112 Most welcome. Thanks for Sharing 😉 the data of your PC Configuration. You‘ve got the Skills when it comes to video editing. 👍

[@hiteshadhikari]

Indians vs islamists ( division of India happened because of muslim league and muslims voting 96% in favour of partition)

[@ArrowBast]

200+ Million people were collectively insulted by you calling them 'Indians' Lol.

[@sknadimulhaque]

The most hilarious part was the Indian helicopter going inside Pakistani airspace, collecting pieces of the downed aircraft and return without any incident or proof of it being behind the LOC.

[@anootoshsarkar686]

Suits the PAF, their unprofessionalism is only expected. Pakistan, whether it's their airforce or navy or army or it's diplomats in the UN or even it's leaders, they are an epitome of Unprofessionalism

[@RamiJatuk69]

Another flying coffin aka mig 21 crashed in India. Haha, talk about unprofessionals

[@angshumandutta9654]

@@RamiJatuk69 Mig-21 s are flying coffins everyone knows it so nothing to talk about unprofessional.India had lost most of its pilots in a Mig-21 and talking of Unprofessional I have a news from Geo News that On 29 April 1987 wing Commander Amjad Javed of PAF shot down his own wingman who was on a F-16.

[@GannicusMisteriosdeHonduras]

What plane ks that? Antonov?

[@showtime112]

Antonov An-26.

[@ks6698]

Hi,thank you for the video.Its quite interesting to watch such historical reenactments. I hope you would continue to make these kind of videos. The only grievance i have is the way you mentioned the paralysis and death of the Indian pilot which happened 3 years later and which is not in anyway related to the Atlantique incident.It seemed quite irrelevant and out of context, unless you want to give your pakistani audience and yourself a sense of slight relief that the Indian pilot also got some sort of punishment for his deeds

[@showtime112]

Hello! Thanks for commenting. Mention of Bundela's destiny wasn't meant to express any kind of an opinion. I often give information about pilots involved in such incidents if it is available. In fact, many Indian articles which cover this story mention it too. I don't think that it was any kind of justice or karma or whatever. Many pilots died in accidents without having shot at anybody while many fighter aces lived a long life. It's just a very dangerous business.

[@ks6698]

@@showtime112 Hi,thanks for responding. I now feel that i was a bit rude in my comment,apologies for that.I guess i got triggered because following the untimely demise of our respected CDS in a helicopter mishap last week,there were some traitors within my country who were celebrating it as if he deserved it. Keep up the good work,respect from Kerala,India.

[@sharadkarnad1217]

Exactly.

[@rexxbailey2764]

@@ks6698 : YOUR CHIEF OF DEFENSE STAFF WAS SHOT DOWN BY A UNCONVENTIONAL CHINESE WEAPON BY THE WAY. EXACTLY LIKE THAT WHICH THE TAIWANESE DEFENCE CHIEF ALONG WITH HIS MEN WAS SHOT DOWN IN EXACTLY THE SAME MANNER! THE LIVE TESTING OF WHICH WAS DONE ON THE MH450 MALAYSIAN AIRLINES FLIGHT ✈ WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT DOWN WITH THAT WEAPON!... 😒😑 THE QUESTION IS WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT! 😒😒😑

[@chilarai1]

The Pakistanis shot down a private civilian Beechcraft flown by the Chief Minister of Gujarat state in 1965. While the Atlantique carries antiaircraft missiles, the Beechcraft is a small plane. Talk about cowardice. Ultimate cowardice was the en mass surrender of 95,000 fully armed Pakistani soldiers in 1971 to the Indian army. That's ninety five thousand.

[@tazzie165]

As an Aussie whose lived in India for 8 years, there's still alot of tension, mostly instigated by the older generation and politicians. The younger generation doesn't have as much as hatred and honestly wants to move forward and create a bond with Pakistan. As someone who has closely studied Partition History and the Indo-Pak and Kargil war pretty decently it's good to see videos like this that a fair to both side of the story in order to teach the newer generation where they came from. Only from history do we know what to and what not to do. Excellent video again!

[@showtime112]

I appreciate your comment and personal view which brings hope!

[@user-fq8zl2oe4r]

You could be adversaries without incidents such as this. Our history is full of incidents of Pakistan cross-border adventurism gone horribly wrong. Kargil was just such an example where a rogue General and few of his cohorts nearly started a war without informing their elected political establishment let alone seeking permission. Peaceniks and "how would you like it if it was the other way around" whatabouters be damned - every time they start it, we will finish it.

[@whysoserious7553]

As long as Pakistan sends terrorist to kill Indians the hatred towards Pakistani will continue

[@chiragmehta8212]

Fuk off …. I am From younger generation and fuk porkistan. You love them so much then good for you

[@deepakgagoria]

16 terrorist got killed in one Go

[@horaciocelidpretti1417]

Thanks a lot for this lesson!

[@showtime112]

Thank you for watching and commenting!

[@रमेशभारतीय-न9ह]

स्क्वाडर्न लीडर प्रशांत बुंदेला हमारे भाई साहेब थे हमें उनपे हमेशा गर्व रहेगा जय हिन्द 🇮🇳🙏. We proud of my brother prshant Bundela jay hind 👏🙏🇮🇳

[@asi2765]

This was barely weeks after pakistan invaded in kargil. India lost 500+ soldiers in that war.Tensions were high. Should have complied to the interceptor and landed the aircraft. Pakistanis by not landing the aircraft prevented it from ending up in Indian hands. Indians, barely weeks after spending 2 months and 500+ lives to kick out the pakistanis from kargil, shot down a potential threat. I don't see any problem here.

[@showtime112]

Thanks for sharing your view.

[@BillPurkayastha]

I am Indian and I remember this episode extremely well. What you probably don't know is that the Indian media at the time insisted that the Pakistani Atlantique had crashed on the _Indian_ side of the border. As proof, a blurry video was released from the helicopter retrieving debris of Indian Air Force personnel frantically sprinting around, picking up pieces of metal, and racing back towards the camera. I was by far not the only person to ask why, if the wreck was on India's side of the border, they were in such a tearing hurry. Nor did the same Indian media ever explain how the Pakistanis conducted a state funeral for the 16 dead crew if the wreckage was inside India since India never claimed to have handed over the bodies.

[@278utkarsh]

Pakistani spotted

[@rameshsnayar]

Who buries the bodies is a minor issue. The fact is that the aircraft violated our airspace and paid the price. I understand that they had the transponder on (the pilot forgot to turn it off) which enabled us to keep track of its position. Apparently it was SOP for the aircraft to keep the transponder on in Pakistani air space, but fatal once it crossed the border. Both countries waste an enormous amount of money on defence and have the same DNA. Anyway may they all rest in peace.

[@ijya6413]

This channel has potential to reach million subs. As for video,I can't blame Indian side. Those Pakistani shld hv atleast communicate with IAF. Make video on Pakistan shooting dowmn civilian plane in gujrat killing a minister.

[@showtime112]

Thanks! A million might be a bit stretched though but who knows 😁

[@ugarit5]

Can you please make a video about :SR-71 known incidents and the P-3 Orion incident from south china sea?(a chinese J-7 collided a recon us aircraft)

[@showtime112]

I suppose some of those things could be done. I need to do some research.

[@udayanpaul8042]

Thanks for covering the great topic, I was in high school when this incident happened, I was very surprised by the incidence as it was closing chapter of Kargil. Although it was an enemy aircraft, but still I like the Breguet atlantique. Great aircraft. I also like the Pakistani obsession for the turboprop aircrafts.

[@showtime112]

Well, that is a healthy approach.

[@jsthereforfun1648]

Well they can't buy other aircraft so they have no choice

[@udayanpaul8042]

@@jsthereforfun1648 but bro what's wrong in it, they also have the P3C Orion MPA's, those are good turboprops as well. In Indian Navy and Air force we did used many turboprop aircrafts, such as TU142, Ilushins and Antonovs, they were good too.

[@rexxbailey2764]

THE PAKISTANI'S ONLY HAVE OBBSESSION FOR ALLAH, THE TURBO PROPS ARE THE ONLY THING THEY CAN AFFORD. 😑

[@oreo6537]

Is there a link to the AN-26 livery?

[@showtime112]

No. This is just my improvisation.

[@rockyluvinfrnd8180]

It's AN26 not ATLANTIQUE

[@subikashbunty]

That's an aggressive posture. They made a wrong move towards the MiG.

[@rockyluvinfrnd8180]

Ha..thik..plane ta atlantique na dekhiye AN26 dekhalo....

[@yeswecan4312]

Have you done the same for the Feb 2019 Abhinandan incident?

[@showtime112]

Yes.

[@brankonisevic1991]

Hi showtime could you Make more videla about Yugoslav wars

[@showtime112]

Hello! This topic will be covered more in the future. I needed to make a small break from it.

[@jawarakf]

Make more Iraq air engagement too

[@showtime112]

@@jawarakf I intend to cover some more of that, thanks for suggesting.

[@jawarakf]

@@showtime112 show how the epic Iraqi Mig-25 managed to evade dozens of AMRAAMs launched from a squad of F-15C.

[@passioncuriositywithadnanm9597]

Dear you have made a DCS video on an incident of Atlantic aircraft of PAK Navy, but in this video u have mentioned the FOKKER aircraft instead of ATLANTIC aircraft why?

[@showtime112]

Fokker? Where was it mentioned? This is An-26 used to emulate Atlantique because nothing closer was available.

[@chandrachurniyogi8394]

a fictional video on USAF F-22 Raptor stealth multi role interdictor strike fighter versus IAF SUKHOI Su-30 MKI multi role interdictor strike fighter would be quite something . . .

[@showtime112]

Possibly. But both those are mods and I'm not sure how accurately they are simulated.

[@Qwerty0007]

Great Content ... Subscribed 😻

[@showtime112]

Thanks for the sub! Keep watching!

[@AndrewLambert-wi8et]

WHY DID THE ATLANTIQUE FLY SO CLOSE TO BORDER AND/OR IN INDIAN SPACE? WHY DID PAKISTAN TRY AND SHOOT DOWN THE INDIAN HELICOPTER FULL OF FOREIGN JOURNALIST THAT INDIA WAS TAKING TO THE CRASH SITE TO PROVE THAT THE PAK. PLANE WAS IN INDIAN AIRSPACE. IF ANYONE CAN ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS I WOULD BE VERY GREATFULL.

[@josephdupont]

Do you have any videos on f-104 dog fights

[@showtime112]

There are a couple of videos about Pakistani 104s vs Indian MiG-21s. Just look for Indo-Pakistani Wars playlist on the channel.

[@zsus1]

Little amendment... one single missile was fired by him and that hit the left engine, not right engine as shown here .some images from gun camera was released by Indian side which is available in internet. Met him after 2 years of this incident in a western air base and discussed with him regarding effectiveness of R 60 missile and this incident.

[@zsus1]

@@abhassharma1468 not much about it. But clarified his own position and assistance from his wingman. When asked about launch distance, he told about 300-400 MTR distance..BTW he was Sqn LDR when we met , not Wing Cdr.

[@showtime112]

There's a very limited range of what you can do in DCS world. Missiles home on the center of the airplane and not necessarily on the heat source. Also, if you hit an airplane of this size with an R-60, it always survives. I needed to add two more 'explode unit' triggers just to make it go down. And you can't choose which engine it is going to affect.

[@zsus1]

I know that you can't choose which side of the enemy aircraft will be hit. Total explosive rod weight is little more than 3 kgs, that's why it is always recommend to fire 2 R 60 missiles to your target.. don't know much about DCS restrictions... whatever ,,video was nice..and please delete India-Pakistan fanboys comments. They will fight even after apocalypse.

[@showtime112]

@@zsus1 Maybe Bundela deliberately launched just one missile. This way he performed his duty but the target might have survived. I blocked some of the comments, I'll see if there's anything excessive worth deleting.

[@zsus1]

@@showtime112 THANK YOU..Bundela sir told exactly this deliberation. He was waiting for killing confirmation. He even gave approximate position of crash site to the Helicopter pilot in Pakistan side (Atlantique drifted toward Pakistan before crashing).

[@peterasp1968]

A most unnecessary loss of life and machine. In the immediate aftermath of Kargil, how could the PAF or PN or PA think they could again intrude on the sly into any Indian territory and not expect an Indian response ?

[@rikrayarcade]

Thank you for another Indian video 😁.... And BTW good research....... 👍🏻 Did you hear the news...🗞️? Cheif of Defence Staff of Indian Armed Forces CDS General Bipin Rawat passed away in a unfortunate helicopter crash it was a Mi-17V5.... RIP💔🥺😞

[@asianshaheen974]

Congratulations 🎉

[@showtime112]

Thanks for commenting!

[@rikrayarcade]

@@asianshaheen974 don't be rude ! He is a human after all did I celebrate when PAF Helicopter Crashed killing both pilots... Both were serving their country ! Both were humans !

[@asianshaheen974]

@@rikrayarcade Indians literally celebrated when PIA A320 passenger airliner crashed. You wanna talk about humanity while your forces murder civilians and commit war crimes. If your human and u love ur country pull out of Kashmir and let them have a future. We both experienced 200 years of occupation. They are still living in occupation.

[@rikrayarcade]

@@asianshaheen974 pakistanis did too when Gen. Bipin Rawat passed away...but did I celebrate ?

[@ASADURREHMANQ]

Please make a video about 27 feb 2019, conflicts bw India & Pakistan

[@ProjectFlashlight612]

Your effort to work around ineligible plane types to present a close approximation is nothing less than heroic

[@showtime112]

Thanks for the feedback! If I wanted to be 100 percent accurate, this channel would have like three to four videos 😁

[@neutralmind6497]

That Indian chopper was almost shot by Pakistan when it tried to collect debris across the border. There were several diginataries on board & they narrated that a missile hit by Pakistan narrowly missed the target & they had to fly away for their lives. Lucky guys.

[@sangeetbhatia5994]

It's simple why the case was dismissed

[@AvnishKumar-sg4sj]

Probably the only mistake on Pakistani side was that they were very sure that Indians won't engage

[@showtime112]

So it seems.

[@joaquinsosa2526]

I would like you to recreate the sinking of the HMS Coventry in the Falklands War

[@showtime112]

Thanks for suggesting. The events from that conflict will be given attention to once the Falklands map is released for DCS. We haven't had any news in the recent months but I hope it's not too long until it's available.

[@mookie2637]

Or any of the Sea Harrier kills. Just for balance, obviously.

[@ArrowBast]

@@showtime112 Can you recreate the French 'Duplicity' in the Falklands war ? Im sure the pommies would find it entertaining.

[@showtime112]

@@ArrowBast You mean the supposes 'kill switch' for the Exocets that the French wouldn't tell the British about?

[@ArrowBast]

@@showtime112 Yeah, kind of on those lines. The french too could have stayed mum to check out the performance of their weapons for sales brochures to other states later on. Nothing quite sells like 'brought down a british cruiser' - aka HMS Sheffield

[@harpreetSINGH-wu4dj]

They were given chance to surrender and land on a indian air strip but they behaved aggressively and choosed their fate

[@carymnuhgibrilsamadalnasud1222]

Is Khalistan almost happening??