E85 Fuel Explained - Should you use it?

[@Unrealy1]

If i drink/eat enough products that contain ethanol,can i start peeing in my fuel tank?

[@paddys06]

+Unrealy1 You can pee in your fuel tank even if you don't.

[@ravenrock67]

+paddys06 LMAO

[@mattyb120]

Try eating/drinking methanol for some extra points.

[@ravenrock67]

Yeah, but you'll go blind..Wood alcohol does that. That's how the whole joke got started. Wood alcohol+playing with it=blindness.

[@mattyb120]

Raven Rock67 Yeah I know, it was a joke. Then again I'd feel pretty shitty, if some one actually did that.

[@VixzenMusic]

Im doing my chemistry assignment on E85, this video almost cracked it for me! thanks guys!!

[@willmalliotis1904]

Can I use E85 on my Toyota GR Yaris?

[@bennyjetsaroundtheworld9047]

How the fuck would he know he's a highschool student not a jdm master-tech

[@alteh7]

He's got a point there

[@1one3_Racing]

Moot point - we only eat sweet corn. The corn used to make ethanol is high starch. It's hard and tastes awful. It's mostly used for animal feed. It does make corn syrup and corn flour but only small amounts of it.

[@joshuarosen6242]

Being English, I am not that familiar with corn so I had not known this. Thank you for your informative comment.

[@tomcardale5596]

@@joshuarosen6242 We do grow lots of it here to feed cattle. Some is also put in digesters to make biogas. We generally call it maize though, and confusingly corn in the UK often refers to wheat. You can eat maize, but it's only tasty for about 1 day, blink and you miss it. Even in that tiny window it's not as good as sweetcorn.

[@marineninga]

Hmmm alcohol fueled car? One for you, one for me, one for you, one for me...

[@Mikekay1992]

Michael Nguyen haha this is from the Simpsons 😂

[@amicloud_yt]

May as well plumb a fuel line into myself in that case

[@tomnorris1734]

Aren't you the bloke who produced birdemic?

[@nolanpontes6295]

After following these guys since the very beginning it is fantastic to see that MCM has not only greatly improved they're production value, but also have stuck to their roots. For those that don't know, their channel was initially going to be more based on small, fun and eco-friendly cars which I feel closely relates to this episode. Like always it was a funny, interesting and informative episode. Keep it going Marty and Moog!!!

[@scarhart53]

They are production value?

[@MegaGeorge1948]

Some disadvantages of Ethanol: Ethanol may be good for supercharged and turbocharged engines for it's anti-ping or detonation qualities. But naturally aspirated, "Flex Fuel" cars will show no measurable performance improvement. The fuel range is at least 1/3 less per gallon or liter. The engine computer on Flex Fuel cars just makes the fuel/air ratio richer from a lean 14.5:1 stoichiometric to a richer 7:1 and the cost at the pump wont offset the total cost per mile or kilometer most of the time ( You'll have to do your own math on this). Ethanol (E85 has up to 15% petrol or gasoline) combustion might be emitting less carbon emissions. But the farm growth/conversion process offsets and exceeds that. The presence of oxygen in ethanol opens a pathway for a myriad other combustion products, including formaldehyde and acetaldehyde. If inhaled in small quantities, these chemicals can irritate the eyes and lungs, whereas more significant exposure to these and other particulates is associated with asthma, allergies and even some cancers. Ethanol is hygroscopic, it means that it absorbs water from the air and thus has high corrosion aggressiveness. That’s why it is transported only by auto transport or railroad. Ethanol competes for arable food producing land for human survival. Ethanol can negatively affect electric fuel pumps by increasing internal wear and undesirable spark generation. Pure ethanol is also difficult to vaporize which can make starting a car in cold weather difficult and that is why most fuels retain at least a small amount of petrol or gasoline - such as E85 cars with 85% ethanol and 15% petroleum.

[@FinancialEfficiency]

Most of that beginning was incorrect. on N/A applications a tune alone saw as much as 40 rwhp on certain vehicles that were non ffv . it will vary from car to car. all show a measurable amount of power increase from MBT alone. 14.5 / 7:1 is not "richer" its a different target point. it takes more ethanol to target the same AFR but can be offset depending on the design of the engine. Farm growth claims are not substantiated , especially if the equipment used to far has far better emissions. gasoline can also obsorb water. transport it correctly and make sure your car is correct mechanically it is not a problem > it does not compete for food and the refinment process is being changed and improved over time no different than oil and gas were at some point in the past. it does not do anything bad to fuel pumps except those made with rubbers that dont tolerate the fuel to begin with ... which over all is not a problem in most 90's + vehicles anyway , vehicles can start in the cold weather even if a bit more difficult this is not a "problem" so to speak and does not take away the incentive to use it , especially in warmer climates. most about -20* F

[@charliebomps6564]

+The General Speaks You clearly don't even know what you're talking about.On naturally aspirated engines they make more power on pure gasoline without any ethanol.Gasoline CANNOT absorb water because it isn't hygroscopic ,ethanol is.Ethanol is bad for all fuel systems and engines,there is a reason you don't see anyone running pure ethanol in their engine.Ethanol has caused melted pistons because it burns hotter than gasoline and is notorious for causing rust inside fuel lines as well as destroying rubber hoses and diaphragms not compatible with it.

[@FinancialEfficiency]

Research and technology dictate differently. Most N/A engines that have run it had an increase in power and those built to take it see it even more so due to the ability to take advantage of the fuel. MIT case study disagrees with your assertion . You're wrong.

[@FinancialEfficiency]

Any melted pistons are from it being in an untuned engine . Any destruction of fuel lines etc is the fault of the person not placing the fuel into a vehicle with lines that can sustain it. You cant store gasoline in things its not designed for either so the point is stupid. majority of 90's + vehicles can tolerate ethanol without issue. Ive proven this in my research and many others

[@BlueonGoldZ]

George, do you know if it has an adverse effect on oil like during the actual strokes of the pistons since roughly 30% more needs to be injected per cycle compared to gas. I'm worried about cylinder and ring wear.

[@PossiblyYourDog]

It's hard to believe this is a MCM video... They've really improved their editing skills and quality since the start of their KZbin channel. Keep up the awesome videos!

[@SgtSayWhat]

That Chemist clearly didn't want to have to deal with Moog's shit

[@jackmazza5742]

I use it in my 2005 Silverado 5.3L Flex Fuel and it loves it. Super smooth operation, and big gobs of power on the highway. $1.90 a Gallon in Florida!

[@qwert_au]

Production value increasing so much. MCM reaching all new heights.

[@korefighter]

The quality of your videos is just getting better and better. Keep it up !

[@RJimmy97]

"Hi Cheryl...." LOL!

[@notshort9796]

I started dieing like wtf lmao

[@a-dog8075]

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[@TRUMPUSA1]

I know right! Haha!

[@12345bobjr]

oh so thats why people in southern cali say their car is corn fed

[@ythandlemynuts]

It's Private you need to chill out dude.

[@turblown]

@Josh Smith true statement! My cars get an extra 100 miles per tank when I used ethanol free 89!

@Josh Smith You fucking idiot.

[@albinoV]

And Moog was never allowed in the plant again.

[@serjoprot]

Guys you NEED to do a rotary project car

[@fatalvenomX]

Nikola Tesla yes and the should also do a vid on the installation of a meth/water injection kit. Perhaps both at the same time? There gonna need a bigger fuel tank if the want to make it ethanol powered though xD

[@serjoprot]

Just imagine something like a dual rotor Daihatsu Terios running on E85. That's what I'm expecting from Mcm, lol

[@fatalvenomX]

Nikola Tesla can't forget the twinscroll turbo

[@serjoprot]

HELL YEAH

[@warriormonx]

Nikola Tesla Or a turbocharged diesel....

[@croberts3130]

Such an educational video, a lot of good information. I wish you guys would've mentioned to be careful running E85 in colder climates. Over here in the U.S. a lot of guys have two tunes. One for the summer when it's warm out with E85 and one in the winter when it's cold out on regular pump fuels. If you run E85 when its cold you can gunk up fuel filters, lines, and injectors. Having a flex fuel sensor solves this problem. Also, direct injection engines have high pressure injector that don't flow a lot of fuel... So direct injection engines don't see good benefits from E85 because you have to flow more fuel. Not a problem on port injection vehicles because you just get bigger injectors. Mostly, car with forced induction and high compression ratios will see the benefits from E85. Overall, amazing video keep up the great work. I love these videos that you guys do where you go learn something new and sharing it with us. Thank you.

[@Mohitemup02]

croberts3130 thx

[@bigwangmark]

Hope the worker did not get into trouble or worse for "Allowing" "Not stopping" moog from taste testing the ethanol :)

[@Mooselover1011]

+Mark B He did try to stop him. But Moog prevailed.

[@rhubarbpie2027]

This has to be one of the most thoughtful and well put together videos on matters such as this. Bravo, gents.

[@jzhenry1995]

You guys should make more documentaries like this. This was spectacular, so well filmed and so much great information shared. Great job! keep em coming!

[@mightycarmods]

+Justin Henry Thanks Justin!

[@BensCoffeeRants]

They basically put poisonous bitter stuff in it to prevent alcoholics from getting drunk on their fuel, because then the alcohol industry will suffer if you can get a gallon of ethanol for $1 or whatever.

[@tortron]

Legally they have to, otherwise its taxed as liquor which is much higher

[@BensCoffeeRants]

@@tortron ah I see. Thanks.

[@OutcastAngelV]

This is why I love you guys. Because it's not just a car modding video. It's a truly informative and intellectual scientific lesson.

[@roddydykes7053]

"...I should probably try it while I'm here" Moog kicking off 2016 with pure gold

[@crcn11]

Only half way through this video but so far one of the best videos you guys have ever done. I loved the driveway videos of installing short shifters and painting brake calipers and stuff but doesn't it blow your minds when you compare those videos to this? Huge well done to all involved.

[@mightycarmods]

+crcn11 Thanks mate! we like making all kinds of videos, this stuff is educational for us too.

[@saabreplay7553]

crcn11 i

[@jacobmims6971]

This is awesome!!! I've started using this fuel in my Silverado and it runs a lot smoother. I feel a little more Getty up when I get on the highway, and it's around the same gas mileage, and lastly it's a lot cheaper

[@your_ex_stacy]

This video helped me pass 9th grade a couple years ago, thanks! :)

[@aaronsbarker]

Something you didn't discuss but is a big factor, is ethanol's ability to absorb water out of the atmosphere and fall out of solution in mixed fuel supplies. I'm most familiar with E-10 and it's abilities to ruin all kinds of small engines or at the very least, make off-season storage a serious pain in the ass. If you have a can of fuel that isn't 100% sealed, in 3-6 months, it is likely to be trash. That means boats and mowers and trimmers and chainsaws and pressure washers and emergency de-watering pumps and ANYTHING that takes ethanol fuels runs the risk of having contaminated fuel the next time you go to use it. That's one reason ethanol fuels are NOT allowed in aviation. That 30% loss of energy is a big deal if you want any range out of the tank of fuel you jst bought as well. It's great for short sprints, where carrying 30% more fuel may not matter, but when your Mini can go 300 miles on it's 10 gallons of gasoline but only 200 on E-85, your trip from Melbourne to Cape Coran might not go as smoothly.

[@mightycarmods]

+Aaron Barker Range is definitely an issue. We were able to drive Supergramps home from the Sunshine coast to Sydney (1400km) filling up on Ethanol the whole way and only needing 10L from a jerry can to do the trip. We don't really deal with small engines but we have read about issues with storage also.

[@lavachemist]

I really appreciate that MCM is always balanced and methodical about topics like this. This video is top level journalism, complete with jokes about Cheryl.

[@tavisyoung7701]

the guy at 14:50 seemed pissed off at moog

[@JACKOFALLFATES]

+tavis young i thought it was pretty funny

[@tavisyoung7701]

+Vinnie Davis ye it was funny but he seemed pissed

[@JACKOFALLFATES]

tavis young he's probably worried about his job

[@ce4130]

+Vinnie Davis I liked it how Moog is wearing a safety vest and a hardhat while he drinks the industrial chemical.

[@mrmidnight32]

+tavis young Well when you have a very highly educated guy who takes his job seriously. And a jokster like Moog who is just out for a laugh. Yea it will rub some people wrong lol

[@pauloesteves4804]

We've been using ethanol here in Brazil since before the 2000 years, it's also know here as acohol

[@or4089]

Paulo Esteves what do you mean 2000s? It's at least from 1980s

[@yepperz]

@@or4089 "Since before"

[@kevingast9799]

I am glad to see others helping to get people to use e85. I am from the U.S. and with our pump fuels have low octane ratings, having a low cost high octane fuel at the pumps is great. For our cars to be able to run on regular pump fuel, the ecu has to make so many adjustments to the engine to prevent knock in standard engines. I luckily own a factory setup flex fuel car with fuel stations near by so I can run e85. Although e85's true blessing is for forced induction engines, even my mostly stock engine feels like it takes advantage of the high octane and fully utilize it's compression. Normal 87 octane fuel, the ecu has to adjust the valve timing to keep some exhaust in the cylinder to reduce the max air and fuel that can enter and to preventing knock and nox emissions. When on e85, the ecu can maximize the air and fuel going in. The only problem I have is cost. Even though it cost less than regular fuel, the drop in mpg makes running on e85, at times, more expensive. Since my car can't fully utilize e85's potential, I only use it when price appropriately.

[@Patrick5]

2008 or so E85 cost $ 1.99 in California. 2016 $2.05 My Evo drinks this stuff.

[@RyanKhorramiVT]

I just paid $1.69 per gallon to mix e30 yesterday..

[@rainretribute9852]

I thought e85 was really expensive in California

[@lyrafrench412]

$3.39 where I love in California right now

[@DeadReckon]

Personally, and I hope this gets voted up so y'all see it, I don't like the way they're forcing ethanol into the fuel here in the US (E10). A lot of old cars are having issues with only 10% in the fuel. Fuel systems, including carburetors them self are often damaged or destroyed by ethanol. Sometimes it takes years, sometimes less. Ethanol free gas is available, but rare. If your car is built for it, it's great, if it's not, even E10 is a nightmare. I've taken apart carburetors that sat with E10 in them for a few months and the seals had turned to goo, one even had the float disintegrate. Don't get me wrong, I love finding alternative fuels, and anything which can put hydrogen into the engine to be burnt other than gasoline is very interesting, but here in the states Ethanol has become a heated debate. Also, I'll never give up my internal explodey goodness for a electric car. Never, ever, ever, ever... EDIT: I'm also jealous you have higher octane ratings down there...

[@Qthefun]

+Dead Reckon killed my old ute (pick up) :(

[@D3FEKT]

+Dead Reckon Not sure about there but here in australia will still have mostly normal petrol with the occasional pump that has e10 or e85. It's also recommended for people to not run ethanol in older cars because that reason, even some older fuel injected ones have problems. If it's being forced upon people over there, then that is really retarded.

[@DeadReckon]

Yep, it is. Use to see stickers saying "This product may contain up to 10% ethanol", now it's just "This product contains 10% ethanol", sometimes they just cover up the word "May". Gotta drive the grammar nazi's insane. I never can get a carburetor tuned on that crap. They don't even call it e10, they still call it 87, regular, 89, mid grade, or 93, premium. I can't really complain though, gas is averaging around $1.84 a gallon where I live, sooo... Bring on the 10% corn 90% dino juice?

[@KENARDO]

+Dead Reckon Ethanol isn't required by the federal government or most state governments in the US. It is, however, ALLOWED by these authorities. Ethanol is cheaper than pure gasoline, so some produces dilute their gas with it, up to 15% as allowed by governments. They have to state that the gas is diluted though. Look around for a bit and you might be surprised to find a fuel station near you that carries pure gasoline. However, also be aware that E85 is legally defined as containing anywhere from 65-85% ethanol. Also, Australia doesn't have higher octane ratings. They use a different octane scale than the US, which gives higher numbers. Their 98 octane is roughly equivalent to US 93 octane. Look up AKI and RON octane ratings for more information on the topic. If you don't have 93 available, you most likely live in higher elevation, where the tendency to knock is reduced by the lower average atmospheric pressure.

[@horsepowerfactorytx]

+Dead Reckon Australia doesn't have higher octane fuel ratings, their 98 RON is equivalent to our 93 MON+RON/2 octane rating.

[@ColwynLovesCars_Pie]

Spotted that COLORADO, U.S.A. license plate. Represent. We LOVE you guys out here!!!

[@crisray6789]

Ethanol: "It's all through your house, it's all through your work, it is everywhere" are you trying to call me an alcoholic?

[@BenjHolt]

Interesting fact: here in Brazil, gasoline has (by law) 27% of 100% pure alcohol and ethanol is 95.1% to 96% (the rest is pretty much water and additives). In the modded car scene, is almost impossible to find a turbo/supercharged car running on gasoline (because the quality is so poor. Premium gasoline is better, but still poor quality). So when you decide to install any aftermarket forced induction, we only run our cars on ethanol. Pretty much all cars here are now flex fuel (a few years ago BMW launched here the active flex 320i, and now vw has a turbo 3 cylinder engine which is also flex fuel), not just because of all the extra power from ethanol, but because our gasoline knocks really easily (even on completely original n/a cars).

[@rfouR_4]

+Benjamin Holt I assure you there is no water in your fuel. Water doesn't compress. If there was water in your fuel, bad things happen. xD

[@BenjHolt]

Rene Hourian yeah, I know that. But as you can imagine, isn't really easy to find out what exactly is in our ethanol.

[@gggehlen]

+Rene Hourian (Kris) Actually there is water on brazilian ethanol because the distillation process is unable to separate all the water (maximum of 96%). The 100% ethanol added to our gasoline is the same ethanol distilled from sugar cane (even at 78,1°C it can't get better than 96%) but subjected to chemical processes (CaO + H2O --> Ca(OH)2) and after that it's distilled one more time but now only the ethanol evaporates. So the water reacts with those products and so we have 100% ethanol. This process increase the fuel price and thats why they don't use 100% ethanol. This 27% added to the gasoline need to be pure because gasoline (nonpolar) can't be mixed with water (polar), while ethanol can be mixed with both but more strongly with water.

[@rfouR_4]

I'm going to go ahead and assume it's a small enough percentage of water that when atomized by the injector, in the heat of a combustion chamber, it turns to vapor really fast. Like water injection. It's not a substantial amount of water, if there was, that would be pretty terrible. xD

[@gggehlen]

+Rene Hourian (Kris) Exactly.

[@bennyjetsaroundtheworld9047]

The intro reminds me of popular mechanics for kids back in the early 2000s. Good vibes, back when life was so easy.

[@MrOmgfreak]

i dont have a flex fuel car and i run e85 mix in my 2011 audi a5 turbo....never ever an issue and it runs great..and cooler

[@googleboughtmee]

What an awesomely different episide

[@Pow3llMorgan]

We use ethanol for lubricant when machining aluminium too. Specifically hand sanitizer because it has 15% glycerin in which actually does wonders for manual milling and lathe work on aluminium.

[@roddydykes7053]

No one warned that ethanol guy that Moog is a freak :P

[@rhkips]

96%? Congrats Moog, you just experienced Everclear; the beverage of choice of irresponsible, socially-crippled frat boys all over the US. :D

[@linux495]

+rhkips 96% not 96 proof

[@rhkips]

Harley Sydenham Yup, that's what I said~ 96% ABV; 192 proof. :D

[@Dwatthaell]

+rhkips Eh, the fuel grade is actually rather a lot rougher than Everclear.. lol. "The Clear" is kinda harsh, but the fuel grade stuff is a lot worse. (yes, I have had both..I'll drink everclear despite never having been in a frat, but the other stuff.. nah..)

[@bryduhbikeguy]

Only time I ever saw double was after doing 1 triple shot.Bad choice.

[@TheTimelapse101]

As Marty mentions the more you find out about e85 it just raises more questions, the same can be said for most goods that are man made it leads you to places you would never guess you would end up. like for instance one thing that is not mentioned at all about this "renewable" fuel is that growing large amounts of the source organics is not sustainable and without even mentioning the obvious issue of H2O. its the same issue we have in NZ with dairy farming having to support large feeding areas that would not naturally grow enough to support the animals eating. largely due to the fact that its grown in areas that under natural conditions would not support growth on that level, this means the earth (soil) its self is loaded with all kinds of additives from weed killers to fertilizers. these additives will not occur on their own in the levels required and will need to be added at a regular basis , they also strip the soil of its natural biome.. bacteria's, fungi, insects etc, so once the farms gone you are left with a desert that may never recover. I am not completely against e85 i just think terms like viable and renewable should not be thrown around loosely. in my opinion e85 is no less evil then standard petrol i would goes as far as to say the same corporations selling it at the pump own companies or have massive shares in companies that sell products to farmers for them to be able to grow organics that get sold back to the petrol corporation. lol wake up P.S im still going to buy a s2000 and consume the f*#k out of some e85/98. thanks for the info +mighty car mods , much love from across the ditch

[@FerricWolf]

Ime pretty sure I just accidentally skipped an ad about home doughnut delivery... WHAT HAVE I DONE!? X.X

[@EvanMoon]

That was a very well presented and edited informative video on ethanol. Thanks.

[@Rich77UK]

Brilliant episode chaps. Your episodes are getting so good (in appearance and execution) you really put a LOT of big budget TV shows to shame.

[@AndyyEditss]

Here in Brazil, we have ethanol in every gas station, because almost every car out here is flex from the factory.

[@AndyyEditss]

Yeah. Back then there were cars that used ethanol only. The only issue are the cold starts.

[@NikolasOldSchool]

+Andyy Edits But we run on E100...

[@AndyyEditss]

Yeah, but it's good for the people reading the comment section to understand our situation.

[@Customsouthernarms]

I went to San Paulo Brazil a couple years ago. It was beautiful!!

[@dumkopf]

+ozzy8031 because other countries don't have huge fields of sugar cane?

[@gigidy5]

17:40 Finally a Volvo on MCM!

[@s.k.6616]

I live in Nebraska, and I use it because it supports the farmers and the industry. Clean, sustainable, and smart.

[@Rusiputki]

Dude I'm gonna convert my race car to E85 it will be awesome! Then I will use my backup car to drive 200 miles to look for E85 once a month and top up :)

[@prestonrobert2625]

That is all I use in my coon cage and it is so that all one needs to do is change the filter. However fomoco was so inventive in the 60's they never needed a oil change. 139,000 miles 4 quarts amsoil over time. Plus filling filter hey do a normal up keep and as prescribed these panthers last.

[@tomearnshaw3498]

Absolutely brilliant educational and inspiring documentary guys shame we don't get e85 more here in the UK. The government makes too much money from the tax on petrol and diesel to start selling it more in my opinion.

[@SophiaAphrodite]

Like Triple Play says regarding being viable. We get it in Iowa because it is a big part of our economy. Truth is it just burns cleaner but costs just as much to make as regular fuel due to the process. Therefore it only is viable in locations where the corn is easily accessible, can be locally processed and shipped at a lower cost. It is highly subsidized here too, making it about 40% cheaper than regular fuel. but I still don't use it for more than a fuel system cleaner as it lowers economy and the possibility for long term issues in a non-flex fuel vehicle.

[@martinsedlacek1102]

Chemistry & Heat Engineering... that's a education which brings common sense into lot of things.

[@Purplehaste]

You guys should get an AE86 next!!

[@ArcticGamez]

being early to a MCM ep when its only 360p still sucks

[@MrSajidislam]

This documentary actually links to a lot of things i'm revising for science GCSE. I wish there were documentaries like this i could revise from instead of boring textbooks.

[@LEF1RST]

I think it would be interesting to take apart an engine that has run on E85 for a while. There are a lot of questions around reliability and durability. What would the carbon buildup be like? How is the oil affected? Does ethanol create rust on the rings if you let it sit? (How do the bores look?) Happy new year! :)

[@ohlookadragon]

+Clément Dutter ethanol wreaks havoc on engines that sit. I'm sure it would have some sort of affect

[@marcos2250]

Reliability and durability usually is not a problem with ethanol EFI engines. Ethanol fuel makes far less carbon deposits and don't darken engine oil as petrol does. Otherwise, a real problem is the corrosion in unprotected Petrol carburetors and engine oil contamination.

[@ohlookadragon]

Ethanol is still corrosive to engines that sit. yes modern engines seem to be able to take it in stride unlike carbureted engines with copper components. But it seems to me that all modern Fuel injected engines don't leave carbon deposits in the oil ethanol has no affect as far as I can tell. I have rebuilt more carburetors in the last 5 years than I have ever had to before. Trucks with fuel systems that haven't been touched in 20 years all of a sudden need to be rebuilt every year. Ethanol is not a miracle fuel and I would go as far to say that this video is sponsored

[@joelyboyblue]

Look on KZbin, there's one where they take apart a Chevy SUV, not even flexfuel and engine has no issues

[@ohlookadragon]

Of course flex fuel engines have no problems there designed to run on ethanol

[@litos_mendes]

why aren't we funding this??????

[@moto_rad]

+carlos mendes Oil companies pay people off to keep hold of the fuel industry.

[@BryanGullickson]

+carlos mendes because governments would rather tax the hell out of companys that make it than fund it because they get more kickback from the companies that make regular petrol based fuels and the countries that provide them with the oil

[@horsepowerfactorytx]

+Moto Rad who told you such bullshit? E85 was a failed product in the US. Reason being is the BTU's it contains compared to gasoline and diesel, the amount of crops and land it is currently consuming that is dislocating alot of workers and economies in Brazil with sugar cane crops, in Mexico and Central American with maize/corn crops, and Southwestern USA as well with corn. Ethanol is alcohol, and is nothing new. You can run your car on pure methanol ethanol propanol ETC. To say that oil companies pay people off to keep hold of the fuel industry is beyond absurd. e85 was presented as an alternative biofuel by oil companies. I generally don't argue on youtube, but I have been in my studies for 4+ years on petroleum exploration, and to read such misinformation is beyond me.

[@moto_rad]

cesar enriquez Do you sip your kool aid with your pinky out, or just gulp it?

[@horsepowerfactorytx]

oh, you own a WRX. bahahhahah.

[@shay9732]

Marty & Moog you guys would be happy to know that the HSC Chemistry course in NSW actually focuses a lot on using ethanol as a renewable bio-alternative to petrochemicals, especially for automobile use. My education has actually helped me in the real world, how nice! :)

[@VulpesHilarianus]

+S9732 Have they developed a viable version of pure fuel-grade ethanol that doesn't degrade too quickly to sit in a gas tank? Because I'd rather see vehicles running pure ethanol rather than the compromise that is E85.

[@shay9732]

Well i don't know 100% of the current technology developments but i do know that at the moment every aspect of the chemistry as well as environmental benefit is there, we are just waiting on the world to get around to dealing with the fact that fossil fuels are running out and the earth is heating up at larger than usual rates. Once the industry realises petrochemicals are a dead future we will see solutions.

[@VulpesHilarianus]

S9732 They have. It's just that infrastructure they've built around it is too big to change quickly. The largest problems stopping pure fuel-grade ethanol from being a viable alternative here in the United States is that it's illegal to sell it. Legislation has been proposed and shot down (mostly by BP and Shell) again and again to change this, and a lot of the major institutes for technology always put all of their political power behind allowing pure E100 for cars. The only thing that's stopping E100 from being used as fuel right now worldwide is the fact that it's like acid to internal fuel components and deteriorates when it sits, which was why I was asking if they've developed an additive to prevent it from becoming a sugary death bomb to the car over time.

[@sealion16]

Love this documentary. Fun and informative.

[@joakimsundh6261]

Funny how that is, in Sweden we can get E85 almost everywhere. The big issue is that no one uses cars that can burn E85...

[@JaydenB744]

+Joakim Sundh Is it true that kids get payed to go to school in Sweden?

[@joakimsundh6261]

+FlightAce100 yes it is :)

[@JaydenB744]

Do you guys pay huge taxes then?

[@joakimsundh6261]

+FlightAce100 what to you is huge taxes? i pay 33% of my salary in taxes. but i ger free healthcare and other benefits aswell.

[@jakob.1995]

Ye but the state have unfortunately increased the tax on E85 so the price on E85 have increased a lot :/

[@jeremiahausage1727]

I was mad when I didn't see an episode about the Mini chopping things, however this episode was more than interesting, it was really helpful, thank you very much

[@Tool0GT92]

I'm the US 87 is the big seller, our premium is only 91 or 93

[@bmdubclub9933]

Ethanol is not gasoline

[@HollyBoni]

It's not "only 91 or 93". Please google AKI vs RON.

[@fernandorivas5059]

@Joseph Gross Go Zoom Zoom? That sound like Mazda 3.

[@dereksimpson1284]

E-85 is available everywhere where I live

[@jim575757]

In the Netherlands we started the E85 experiment in 2008 with Ford and Volvo making Flexifuel vehicles. The E85 was 30% cheaper than regular 95 gas. I have a Flexifuel vehicle. Unfortunately we experiment has failed and almost all E85 pumps are removed in the entire area here and possibly the whole country. According to the pump manager i was the only E85 consumer and this was the only pump in a 50-70km radius so that quite sums it up. I think electric is the way to go with superchargers at every filling station. Also BLAST acceleration with 4WD for almost no maintenance :)

[@DiViNiTY1337]

The Swedish government just decided to increase taxes on E85 by 1 SEK / liter (roughly 0.1 Euro) which means that now it costs equally much, if not MORE than regular 95 Octane petrol. It was already peaking at 11-12 SEK / liter and now they most definitely killed it for the future...

[@SpookySnek9]

Aaaaaaand now the tax is gone completely :) Hurray!

[@2weakm8]

Caltex E-flex is 70% Ethanol, United is 85% Ethanol. Always use United if possible...

[@MrClarkisgod]

+Luke Anderson It depends on the season actually. Summer blend is more, and winter blend is less ethanol in the USA. The higher gasoline content in the winter time helps with cold starts in the colder parts of the USA.

[@mightycarmods]

+peniswrinkle Depends what fuel octane they blend it with too.. United e85 is blended with 98 octane petrol

[@MrClarkisgod]

Mighty Car Mods What do they blend it with in 'Straya?

[@2weakm8]

+peniswrinkle, Yes with some gas stations like Caltex you get 70% to 85% between seasons but with United, they tend to be pretty spot on with 85%... Australia is limited to E85 stations, only Caltex & United, & rare to find E85 at those stations alone...

[@2weakm8]

+Mighty Car Mods, You guys are awesome... May the Road be with you & keep Chopping...

[@joshuadoliveiro]

I love these guys! I want to be this kind of car enthusiast: genuine, responsible and inspiring others to live greater lives.

[@JoeJoeMoto]

This was super cool and super interesting!!

[@yosefsinger]

MCM any chance of a Diesel powered build ???

[@mightycarmods]

+Yo Singer One day we hope!

[@MADBONE0]

Moog? you coming back to taste the diesel? you little corn sniffer ;)

[@hebersonhaasepinheiro3160]

Hello. Let me contribute with you guys sharing my experience since I'm Brazilian. In the end of 70's beggining of 80's Ethanol started to be introduced in Brazil as an option to Petrol. Because of the Petrol crisis. Mechanically it is easy to adapt petrol engines to it, but in "cold" temperatures (15 Celsius) to make then fire up was a hard job back on 80's. Bateries very often were not able to handle it and till those engine warm up leaps, gaggings were usual. But the fuel itself was so cheap that people still kept on buying cars moved by this fuel. (Fiat 147 was the first manufactured car to be sold in Brazil moved 100% on Ethanol) When the Electronic Fuel Injection started to be used (1989 Volkswagen GOL Gti (with no F)) those problems just disapered. Since you didn't forget to keep the small petrol tank, which was allocated inside the engine compartiment, fillled with petrol to be injected before the first start at mornings. So we were capable to buy a car 100% Ethanol or 100% Petrol during all this time. But sudenly in 2003 We had our first car capable of run with 100% ethanol or 100% Petrol or even any percentage of mixture between these two fuels. So if you want to buy a car in Brazil you don't need to ask if it runs on petrol or ethanol. 100% of them can do it. Honda has launched the first motorcycle capable to it too. When using than it is noticible that with ethanol they have more power but the fuel comsumption is bigger something from 15 to 30%. And the last electronic injection fuel systmes adopted just elimited the necessity of that annoying small petrol tank...

[@MrEvol300]

im running my 06 legacy on e85 thanks guys

[@xureality]

And here comes that one person who uses diesel. me.

[@Lihamyrsky101]

+xureality DIESEL POWAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@thevillageidiot70]

Tdi for the win

[@zac_cl1]

DIEsel im sorry

[@Easiermarlin33]

They make electric trucks?!?

[@thedemonfighter8035]

Arne Hurnik Nikolai you mean Tesla

[@benkinder6570]

An episode comparing regular to homemade Biodiesel in terms of performance, price etc would be awesome.

[@xXCHEETOBEANXx]

3:44 Holy shiiiiiiit. I live there!!!! Wooooaaahhhhhhh. Broooooooo!!!

[@deanw1968]

Does Cheryl actually exist? You should have an episode with her if she does.

[@mightycarmods]

+Dean W no

[@767usman]

Mighty Car Mods her brother might get pissed again

[@godfreypoon5148]

+Mighty Car Mods Imaginary girlfriend.

[@WarringScholar]

Mighty Car Mods no to the question or the request to do a video with her?

[@douglasrussell5061]

You guys showed footage near my hometown. In between Cabazon and North Palm springs. Whitewater. That is awesome!

[@noocann]

If your country's infrastructure is already integrated to handle ethanol production, it isn't that bad - see Brazil. In the USA, consumers got BENT OVER. Ever wonder why FOOD prices were up significantly (especially BEEF and bakery items)? Blame ethanol! Ethanol is usually made out of corn. Crops in the USA have been converting over to growing corns due to the ethanol mandates from the government! This pushes out all the other crops, especially WHEAT. Well, what uses wheat??? Flour! What uses flour? Bakery items! Bread prices have typically increased by 2 - 3 times! Blame ethanol! Now how does it affect beef? What do beef farmers feed their cows??? Corn! So now ethanol causes the prices of corn to go up, which causes the price of feed for beef cows to go up! Beef prices are increase 2 - 3 times over the same period! Due to this phenomena, ALL food prices are inevitably affected = costs more! Ethanol is the primary reason why almost all food prices are doubled or tripled over the past decade! Conspiracy! Lower BTU that requires bigger injectors and bigger fuel pumps?!?!? WHY??? The increase in corn production has increased use of fertilizers which is triggered algae blooms and all kinds of headaches due to groundwater contamination into the oceans... We won't even go into the "GMO" debate to get better corn crop yields...

[@mightycarmods]

+Oh Kay Yes the food vs fuel argument is massive, especially in the USA. Unfortunately we only have access to local setups and opinions for this particular video. We'd love to dive deeper into how the USA and other countries do it one day. The history of gasoline isn't really pretty either, land being fracked for fossil fuels, oil wells and what big oil money can do to economies etc... the world definitely isn't pretty when it comes to fuel. Best thing we can do is be more informed as consumers as to where its all coming from, but again that depends a lot on where you live. Thanks for watching!

[@Sixrabbbit]

If no one has told you already the byproduct of ethanol from corn is dried distilled grain which is fed to cows and even though there is no starch it is equivalent to the same volume of whole corn for livestock feed

[@Metatr0n]

Living in a society that every day simply throws away so much good and edible food that the whole 3rd world could be fed of it, is a very very bad spot to argue that "E85 takes away our food".

[@TGL272]

Feel free to buy Brazilian ethanol guys, it is good quality and it is pretty much the only thing we can produce in the right way!! :)

[@kl163g]

TheGoodLife you guys produce good women...

[@joeycunningham7126]

kl163g 😂😂😂😂😂

[@MarkCalica]

This has to be the best episode from you guys. Thanks for the "edumication". Keep it guys...

[@bongcrusha420]

after drinking that did moogs farts sound like a turbo?

[@kingnfs1]

+bongcrusha420 More like unicorn vtec fart.

[@Crushonius]

+bongcrusha420 sounded like an anti lag system car doing a launch ^^

[@towlie911]

E85 was a failed venture when they realized manufacturers would have to use a full stainless steel fuel system including tank. You can run e85 in a daily driver without any corrosion problems but it will eventually absorb moisture and destroy your tank, fuel rail and injectors. On top of that most pump e85 is stored in old gasoline tanks which are not designed to house ethanol, which dissolves the tank lining. This lining then manifests itself in your fuel filter and injectors as a black tar known as e85 goo, which can destroy your fuel system in short order. E85 is a great fuel but these days fuel economy is king, people don't care about horsepower as much as fuel economy. If anything Diesel is the fuel of the future because it has the highest energy content per volume of any fuel, meaning you make smaller engines and still get the same performance figures. The only issue is particulates that go into the atmosphere, which can be greatly reduced with urea additives. Modern diesels..1/2

[@towlie911]

Are cleaner than modern gasoline engines.

[@TheLaXandro]

Except when oil just runs out, we will either have to go electric, or E100, and being a petrolhead, ethanol seems a good enough alternative.

[@joelyboyblue]

Just like how it dissolves plastic gas cans right

[@harry-211]

I'm from brazil and woul like to share some things about ethanol here in my country. 1-you can find it on any petrol station, and it's usualy cheaper 2-the normal petrol here have 25% of ethanol, because of that cars usualy have a little more power than what the dealers says it has (Golf GTi here has around 245hp, 25 more than it should) 3- cars that can run on it pay less taxes, as a result of this, almost every car here can run on both fuels 4- Mamona (a plant from brazil) it's also used to make ethanol, and its better than sugar cane. however because sugar cane has other uses it's more used than mamona.

[@The_Osprey]

It takes 100 gallons of water to make one gallon of ethanol. So, you are compromising food and water supplies. E85 is a distant second place to electric cars.

[@1300l]

+Invincible Osprey But eletric cars use dirt fuel too, as most energy on the wall to charge it... are far from clean

[@jonnymiskatonic]

+Invincible Osprey your statement has very narrow scope and high on the numbers you're quoting anyway. Corn is not the most efficient crop to make into Ethanol. We just grow a lot of it in the states. Sugarcane and Beets have a lot higher yield. You can't compare everything against corn crop. You also can't say E85 is a distant second to electric cars because converting any existing vehicle over to E85 or E100 is actually doable. There are billions of cars out there that could potentially use ethanol. Converting those over to electric, that's not possible. There's a huge environmental impact in making the big car batteries and some use exotic materials. I'd love to have an electric vehicle for getting around, but there are tons of great cars out there that I'd not dare give up. They're just so much fun to drive and work on. So a statement like what you made seems to just be a standard bulk reply made by someone who has just been told to take a certain stance on something.

[@ndh8445]

+Invincible Osprey E85 is easily adapted into existing cars, until electric cars become affordable for the average person then something like E85 (or other combustable alternative fuels) is the way to go

[@The_Osprey]

thesamandnath Unless you need to drink water. There are lots of water shortages in different places at different times all over the world. You can't make ethanol unless you use a shitload of water.

[@1300l]

Invincible Osprey But by that logic let's end the production of any alcohol product, including drinks. As alcoholic drinks... even with water in it, dehydrate the person.

[@enja001]

do a diesel build. im going to keep hounding you till you do

[@PopsHowTo]

+dion759 I second that!

[@warriormonx]

dion759 Yep, want to see Scotty tuning a monster Garrett on a truck and getting 1500nm on the dyno. These tiny ricers are starting to get a bit boring.

[@DavidPietersen]

Cummins, baby!

[@frownaton600]

warriormonx I guess you dont understand what ricers mean then.

[@DanielGT_93]

In Brasil we use EA96 in the street, and u can find EA100 in some special places. Cars are runing Ethanol here since 70's and the first Flex fuel car was VW Gol 2003 1.6L using the EA827 Engine, same found in VW golf MK1, MK2 and MK3. And its the engine that the majority of us use for modifications. I Own a VW Gol 1.8L 1994 runing only EA96 from factory, and its carburated with a Brasol 2E. The 1.6L version makes 80hp on Gasoline and 90hp on ethanol. Here it is made only of Sugar cane. And i think we are the major market for ethanol. Petrobras is the statal-company that make it. And for the future, i hope we use eletric cars =D

[@Jishhhhhhhh]

Bring back the Nascarlo! Oh wait... wrong video

[@WIRRUZZZ]

+Josh A You, Sir are officially awesome! Have some ethanol (best without fuselöls [12:58])

[@TheMessyProductions]

0:05 savage

[@bryanbrunk1186]

well for one it is not a 100/1 ratio. here in the states we know this well from all of the bootlegging. but, why I chimed in is to ask moot and Marty if they have done any comparison as to fuel economy between the two. this video is one of your best and please keep it up but I would love a follow up with with power comparisons (not in the mini obviously) and economical comparison as well as price of course. all in, a great video and thank you for your time and dedication.

[@louisgordon4388]

Sadly you can't buy E85 in England.

[@JACKOFALLFATES]

+Louis Gordon and sadly E85 is pretty much useless to daily in the north due to the low detonation temperatures.

[@nadinestaniforth]

Apparently morrisons used to sell it but was unpopular 👎🏻

[@dohmies77]

+Vinnie Davis you can always mix ethanol with regular gasoline in order to make it more driveable during winter, if your car has flexifuel sensor

[@jonlaws4493]

You also need to seal your tank of irbid made from steel else it will rust out over time due to the water content in ethanol.

[@JACKOFALLFATES]

Jon Laws this is good info, thanks for sharing

[@Peron1-MC]

i like how moog just has to try again. XD

[@RandSilva79]

Here in Brazil millions of cars runs with ethanol since the 70's. Nowadays 90% of the newer cars (even models sold in another countries like USA and Europe) are flexfuel, running in gasoline, ethanol, or any mix of these fuels! Ethanol is renewable, has more power, but is more expensive to produce and the consumption is higher, but it worth.

[@headcas620]

But MPG is shit with ethanol. And in america it's corporate welfare for farmers that lobbied the government to make it mandatory. It makes animal feed more expensive which in turn makes bacon more expensive :(

[@saturn0660]

+headcas620 Nothing but truth.

[@DENicholsAutoBravado]

+headcas620 I agree with you. Some comments on here tells me Australia has done it without government subsidies so it's a real industry. It sounds helpful in Brazil too, but in America, the results are definitely corrupt. Ethanol really looks like it has been for the good of America. It hurts our cars (cost me a lot of money rusting up my Frontier's gas tank, which costs me fuel pumps, filters, etc.).

[@sexyshelly2011]

DE Nichols Seem to me they would of thought to internally coat the gas tank with the same material they use to make the plastic gasoline storage containers we use !! It sits in our garages for years untouched and no deterioration ever occurs to them little red containers!!! Just a thought!!! Seems that would resolve the rusting in fuel tanks!! One would think anyway!!!

[@sexyshelly2011]

Maybe as mandatory precaution fuel pumps and filters should be part of 24 month maintenance interval that of course should be under manufacture warranty!!!!

[@r3bellion686]

First Moog drills through his wrist, now he chugs ethanol. I don't see a very bright future for him XD JK

[@thunderturtle2046]

Can you boys do an update/refresh on this video with modern knowledge and supply?

[@Michka1001]

I second this

[@TheSteelGamer]

In Europe we love Diesel

[@MrClarkisgod]

+TheSteelGamer We love it in the USA too, but they like to screw us over and charge $5,000 or more for a diesel car which makes people not buy them.

[@jackk_tvv]

This comment sponsered by Volkswagen

[@MrClarkisgod]

Jack Williams I put an Isuzu diesel in my chevy S10 4x4 because nobody made it. Got an adapter kit. I love that thing.

[@TheSteelGamer]

Jack Williams just a tip.. VW is not only diesel manufacturer of engines .. .and id was not only company that cheated on emissions ... but what are doing here if you care about that ?

[@TheSteelGamer]

peniswrinkle well is same here but only 1000-2000 euro difference ... but still injoy more a diesel engine on my car for long trips . much more torque and excellent fuel economy

[@benshepherd8632]

So Marty and Moog aren't petrolheads... they're ethanol heads

[@Donnydarco100]

*methanol

[@FIrefox10121996]

Marty, you're such a good host and narrator

[@DanielSambrano23]

LOL @ Moog's taste test.

[@Gasinduced]

Has clean & green cars finally arrived?

[@gwot]

+Gasinduced what....? did we watch the same video?

[@Gasinduced]

Marty's original idea for a YT car show was going to be around eco friendly cars.

[@gwot]

Gasinduced what you're saying is going E85 is clean, green and eco friendly?

[@camopaint0707]

the most educational mcm episode ever

[@hapaboy99]

poor Sheryl