Mika Rou and Wise Fox: a lesson for all gachatubers

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[@Flotalendy]

Every comment promoting harassment on both sides will be deleted, thank you

[@PoetlyGacha]

Alright and understandable

[@Influence417]

Gotta be careful, then.

[@RaeBooc0vv]

YAY FIRST COMMENT ❤❤❤❤

[@RaeBooc0vv]

Oh😊

[@RaeBooc0vv]

Let’s just appreciate the fact that she actually does something useful about situations like harassment in the comment unlike some people… 😅

[@Kaede_12]

This is why people shouldn't involved even if they aren't included in the drama, it just makes everything WORSE, I do hope this really ends soon.

[@emosenn]

srs omg!

[@AidaMadale]

hi

[@Spraysrapyueu]

Yep, and very messed up too. (That's why I shouldn't do such a thing)

[@pwangkwang]

Ajax including himself: Everyone: I’m blind

[@the.axolotlgirl]

Ajax shacking in his boots

[@widedoggystudio]

AND LET'S END UP THIS YEAR OF GACHA DRAMAS WITH THE FIREWORKS🎇🎆

[@Alia_lolo]

HIII

[@unicorn_xxx3424]

mhm

[@vanniquevictory]

HIIII

[@Spraysrapyueu]

And other bullcrap happening 💀 We must stop it

[@-Crunchy_Lemons-]

@@Spraysrapyueu *_We needs a team to stop the drama..._*

[@_Kyra.]

Yall need to understand that dramas aren't a deviation or mishap in the gacha community, it's a feature. No matter how tame a community is, there is bound to be drama, especially for a big community like ours. Honestly, compared to a lot of communities and fandoms, our drama is pretty tame, and I'm thankful for that.

[@leoliuyanhai]

Yea.. I’m mostly looking at the mha fandom but.. there are probably worse out ther than the mha fandom.

[@NilimaMittal]

​@@leoliuyanhaiyou haven't seen my genshin fandom have you? Edit: btw for genshin fans, naris old Chinese VA was a pedo I bet ya didn't know that

[@leoliuyanhai]

@@NilimaMittal oh jeez, I’m in it. I haven’t seen THAT much of the bad side yet, but I know it’s pretty uh.. interesting to say the least..

[@PoetlyGacha]

And for community aspect there is a lot going on. Roblox community + Koneko, Minecraft community + Dream, Sniper, make-up community, etc. Let’s just hope this drama does not extend more and not more fuel is put into the fire…

[@Influence417]

@@leoliuyanhai Despite that, they're a very powerful one as a whole.

[@electrokatz]

I can see 3 lessons from this drama: 1. Don't bring it upon yourself to attack or defend content creators because of a situation that YOU are not involved in, and therefore don't have the full context. 2. Handle things privately and respectfully. While I can understand that Mika had bad past experiences, the drama would not have happened, or at least it would have been less messy if it wasn't brought to the public at the start. And the way Mika, Robin, and Ajax handled this drama and treated each other was very immature, and it only made everything worse. 3. Just because something is similar, does not mean that it is copied or stolen. Different people can end up having similar ideas. I do believe that fans were somewhat involved with the situation even starting in the first place. In Mika's original post, comments that brought the "copying" to her attention were shown. It's sad that it's not the first time something like this happened with Mika's fans.

[@Tw2wuv]

The gacha fandom never learns.

[@thornleafsss]

@@Tw2wuv Mika rou is slowly becoming Nehema

[@shedotshearts]

@@thornleafsss No. To even suggest that is extremely uncritical of all the garbage Nehema did.💀

[@ASIANGIRL89]

No this whole video was just her defending wise fox. She talks abt mika’s behaviour, but not wise fox’s? I’m honestly disappointed.

[@PoetlyGacha]

It is really dumb and disappointing that the origin of this drama began with the most simplest thing and growing into a giant mess.

[@CrazyGurlFreak]

I totally agree with you

[@MythyGreene]

Hi Lily! (I agree also)

[@star_dae.]

Hihi !!

[@Astr0iceDrag0n]

Yep that's how drama works

[@jamiethecringequeen]

Ikr :/

[@mixxxerlygacha1234]

Flotalendy speaks facts. With this much drama happening, I'm not even sure of leaving or staying a little longer. I do hope that this will end soon, because sometimes, I can't stand dramas anymore.

[@Offi.cialy-Eri]

It’s true, the gacha community is full of drama and it can be tiring sometimes

[@PoetlyGacha]

Yep… hopefully this will last only like a few more days because everyone going be talking about it now but then hopefully nothing else fuels the fire or extends it.

[@donialolol]

literally ignore the drama, the drama won’t change sh.t In your life

[@hearala]

@@Offi.cialy-Eri well, if there are a lot of people a lot of drama will happen sadly..

[@NallenRose]

Sadly, there's drama everywhere in EVERY FANDOM/COMMUNITY. Even if you do leave the gacha community, there will always be drama wherever you go. But we can always choose to NOT get involved in the drama and just ignore it. So I'd recommend you do the same thing in this one

[@Angelitea]

In my opinion, the fans are also somewhat at fault. You don't just go attacking/harassing another creator just because "your idol posted against them" As a fan, Allow the creators to resolve their issues, and also. Do not harrass or attack anyone,EVEN IF THE ISSUE HAS BEEN CLARIFIED Anyway, I love your neutrality and clear-headedness(I doubt that's even a word) in dealing with situations, Flo❤ Have a beautiful day 😊

[@sevenpenceLOLZ]

this!!! sometimes fans coddle and cosset their creators way too much to the point where they can’t respect someone disagreeing with them.

[@Angelitea]

@@sevenpenceLOLZ 💯💯❣️

[@witheredjr2887]

Fr

[@-necromythzen-b6844]

We as commenters had power to break a persons life and it must be controlled

[@Angelitea]

@-necromythzen-b6844 exactly, cuz the stuff I heard people say to Robin in the comments in this video, were truly heart wrenching tbh. I felt bad even if they weren't talking to me. Now imagine if the comments were pointed at me. Man I'd be broken

[@cryplycry]

I've been through the gacha community for many years now. I watched how the community grew and how "originality" slowly faded away. Yes, inspiration from other gachatubers videos are one of the reasons. I don't really see Mika's or Robin's output as "the same" or "alike". There are differences spotted. Honestly, as long as originality comes into place with inspiration, nothing will really escalate.

[@Kat_Gacha]

I’ve seen small creators do more original work I believe larger creators just do what’s popular to keep there channel alive 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@SusieLostHerDog]

@Kat_Gacha You’re kinda right, I do mostly things that differ from the trends and original sh.t 🤷‍♀️

[@presentexchange5108]

I feel like the Gacha community was never original as soon as it got popular, most were just recreating the popular stuff like the “Hated Child”

[@yourfriendosky]

They could have solved this in private instead of making it into a public drama but they didnt have the guts to talk in private and cause unnecessary drama.

[@Offi.cialy-Eri]

Yes that’s true. Mika rou said in reply that she couldn’t contact him.

[@PoetlyGacha]

The same was said for the other side as well. So really very messy and a lot of miscommunication or well not much communication at all. One on one situations really should be kept private though of course sometimes there comes a last resort but this really was not necessary at all.

[@Offi.cialy-Eri]

@@PoetlyGacha true, am starting to think this was for attention

[@PoetlyGacha]

@@Offi.cialy-Eri Yeah seeing how the root and starting point was over copying vs inspiration vs trend and crediting become all this… 😬

[@Heart_of_Heathers145]

​​​@@Offi.cialy-EriNo, in her video Mika said that she "told herself" after a past time with Robin that she won't talk to him in private again and that really was something stupid to do like her acussations, i have seen their post and i didn't comment that the "drawing" topic didn't make sense, they aren't even the same.

[@ifoundjoy]

idk i just find it funny that mika looked like she wanted to squeeze robin out of aggression 😭 like she had a HUGE grudge against him specifically LOL i do hope it doesn’t get worse than this and it is all clear now.. ur like a big sister in this community, flots 👍

[@ayaanaswonder3411]

first!!!!!!!!!

[@Flotalendy]

Definitely past situations being referenced almost every hour didn’t help them at all

[@ifoundjoy]

@@Flotalendytbh the way both of them handled this situation does nothing but make everything worse. im glad ur here to hold them back

[@maddiewut]

Well, it do be like that with some people holding grudges for a long time. I'm unfortunately one of them, too, so I understand her. But, I'm working on it to be less bitter. I hope Mika does it, too.

[@CeoOfLander_BellaKyleYT]

hi, I kinda agree with you, tbh

[@WiseFoxRobin]

I Just wanted People to Understand why Mika's claims were false, Which I Hope everyone is clear now.. 💚 I Hope this Drama Ends Here and Both side can Come to an understanding. Hope We all Learn From This Drama and Make Gacha community better. 🦊

[@Influence417]

That starts with you.

[@macaroonadmires]

@@Influence417 Excuse me? what do you mean by ''that starts with you?''

[@Jeon-Seyeon]

@@Influence417 mika started it

[@itzz_pup]

@@Influence417 christ, don't be harsh, just be calm

[@K4RUSH1AN]

​@@Jeon-Seyeonmika*

[@cupcakemaster4846]

I hope Mika and Robin agree on what is the right option. Thank you Flo for taking a stand on this situation. Wishing things to get better in the future of gacha and gacha creators to come. ❤

[@cupcakemaster4846]

Ty for the ♥

[@Stillbrokein]

Im so confused why Ajax is apart of this like bfr 💀💀

[@Amistake-pleasekillme]

Bro needs to find something to do wtf 😭

[@CupidCvro]

Same

[@Eventho178]

Is because he was trying to defend his friend

[@Apollyono]

I feel like this is extremely biased.. painting Mika in a horrible picture meanwhile ‘Robin’ is a little angel that hasn’t done anything wrong- this is almost insulting.

[@just_lynx_x]

yeahhh frrr mika was being nice, and flow was just favoritising and then ajax? lIKE WHAT? why is ajax there?

[@lxlly4real]

@@just_lynx_x i get where you are coming from but why would she take these chats out of context? of try to add silver for backup?

[@SproutP4wz]

Yeah its pretty frustrating. And its very obvious that Flo is avoiding the comments calling her out. She only hearts comments that praise her and tell her how right she is. And before you think “well its not like shes gonna heart hate comments” They arent hate comments. They are just people trying to help her tell the truth and not a piece of it.

[@Gachamations-c5x]

Isn’t there evidence thigh supporting Wise Fox? I’m not blaming Mika but wasn’t it proven that she was incorrect?

[@Gachamations-c5x]

*though

[@madelynstpierre-vx5zg]

Literally you said nothing hateful about wise fox so much for being neutral

[@m4xissillyy]

the fact she didnt even heart this comment-

[@sofiaherrera-del-solar8123]

this video has over 1k comments this is not the only comment she has not hearted like if u had 1k comments would u spend the whole time looking for a specific comment? @@m4xissillyy

[@LolAlosh]

​@@sofiaherrera-del-solar8123she heatted any comments that prises her check good

[@madelynstpierre-vx5zg]

Yo hey me again I think I was being to harsh you know oh well yeah I got mad but oh well sorry if I was :[

[@thesehandlessucksomuch]

@@madelynstpierre-vx5zgyou are a mika stan

[@Cherilyx]

This is why I didn’t speak about the Matter because I’ve learnt that it’s good to let the gachatubers settle their problems in private and not meddle despite you being a ranter unless they bring you in as a mediator and despite the fact that everyone was asked not to give opinions or create videos I just hope this drama don’t drag longer than it already has

[@AnotherGachaYT]

Thank you Flo, Everything could’ve never happened if people just not involved themselves. But this should be a lesson to future problems.

[@oswald_the-luckyrabbit]

Yeah

[@BruhOlivia]

Remember: it is NOT YOUR PLACE to stick your head into situations like this.

[@Creator_X]

With all due respect, this video does feel like there's a lot of favouritism. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWm1gImfbKiXodE I personally believe that this video showed a lot of great points that were missed or shown in the wrong way.

[@m4xissillyy]

the fact she didnt heart this is just jdhshsbeuehejbeuevejdb

[@sunflower4ni]

This vid is rlly good ! It talks a lot of things and I feel flo is ignoring this comments we can’t rlly do anything since the drama already ended

[@c0nstanc393]

Yep. There’s definitely favoritism

[@Just_marimo]

you are a very important figure in the gacha community even if unfortunately you have to get yourself into all the dramas, without a neutral part these situations would never be resolved 😮‍💨

[@DaniGacha2011]

Thank you flo for making this crystal clear.I decided wisely that I wouldnt take any sides until everything is clear. I have followed your advice and not spread about the drama at all. Thank you❤

[@MsCandyLOL]

I'm not hating on u flo. But why would you let ajax enter in the group chat? He has nothing to do with this situation right? And your video only shows mika Rou's mistakes but not Robin's? And you also shouldn't make video about this situation and solve the drama in privately because some of the screenshots may be disturbing for the fans about their favourite gachatuber fighting with each other. You also should have deleted this video because the drama is over or you should have unlisted them like you did with the nehema's rants. Although I'm not taking anyone's side but this video is really biased. And ajax shouldn't get involved in this drama nor the mika Rou's younger sister thing, It has nothing to do with it and yeah don't forget when wise fox was also supporting nehema rahman while her actions were really bad. Well nvm this is my opinion, you can disagree. I may be wrong about it or right about it because everyone has different point of view.

[@cereaIsoup]

is it just me or does she seem to be favorting wise fox in this situation?

[@kendrathesilly]

Frr!!

[@pieishii]

yea and miss fluff pointed it out a month ago.

[@remiliascarlet609]

She is, Miss fluff made a really good video saying that this video was clear favouritism.

[@levitheghost]

Indeed

[@amichan1826]

Thanks for covering this issue with all the context present from the public and private scenes. Really put things to perspective. Hope everyone involved in the drama will learn and grow from this. I gotta commend WiseFox for this one cause he only made one community post and that is to reply to Mika’s post. After that, he handled the issue as private as he can. Mika Rou has been extremely talented and has been a huge help to the community. Just hope she can accept that other people can also be talented and can have similar ideas as her. And Ajax has been very supportive to his friend in this time, even making videos to defend his name. Just maybe next time, let the people involved solve their own issues as best as they can before getting involved. And for the community, the hate from the drama has been apparent and Im just hoping everyone will heal from this so we can strive to a more positive community in the future years.

[@dum..]

Let's be real for a second. Ajax was annoying and douchey, and is pretty much what drove Mika to leak out all those things. He claimed he wasn't defending his friend, he claimed it was just "his opinion". He's probably the only person who deserves backlash in this whole thing.

[@Archirri]

I don't comment often, but I feel like this needs to be said. You did great handling this situation Flo, we're super proud of you. I hope this whole thing didn't cause you too much stress considering your other responsobilities such as school and whatnot. Now that it's all over, take some time to relax.

[@FRankieG-o5k]

I'm happy this was resolved, I was so confused by both sides and the whole argument that I quit Gacha for a few days I'm glad that this was resolved. Thank you Flotalendy so much!

[@GainThemselves]

Idk how Ajax’s video was supposed to end the drama, he literally had a biased thumbnail.

[@no1233i]

Yeah

[@iitzaxraa]

Hello, Flo, I get that this drama is supposedly over now but I'd like to address a few things. First off, plagiarism isn't always the exact same thing. Plagiarism can be hidden by a change of words, phrases or anything so a small change in the drawing can still be plagiarism. Another thing is that Mika and Lil Kisses' drama is over now so it shouldn't be brought up again. Mika's case with Lil Kisses differs from her case with Robin. Lil Kisses reached out to her privately, unlike Robin. Third, you've said that Mika's response was hurtful, I've seen a picture of Robin's response and it was also very hurtful. When Ajax made his first video, of course, Mika would be furious for his video was biased and he was only defending Robin. He made negative comments about Mika and made her look bad. Because of that, no, it wouldn't end the drama. To summarize this, I feel that as someone who's neutral and not on anyone's side, you shouldn't only address Mika's wrongs but also Robin's. Throughout the video, I didn't hear you saying anything about Robin and only about Mika. I do agree on some things you said about Mika but my problem is that you didn't really say much about Robin. Of course, you are a human and mistakes are what make you human, but please know that I'm not trying to attack you or anything and my only intention was to state my opinions and thoughts. I'm really sorry if I said anything wrong here, if I did then please let me know. I tried my best to be as respectful with my comments but if I said anything offensive, biased or problematic then do tell me.

[@BanditQ-os1pi]

Flo, I am not gonna lie. This feels extremely biased in favour towards Wise and Ajax, please this has to be addressed. Many people feel this is favouritism. (Kids make sure you're fully awake when you type before you make stupid grammar mistakes like me)

[@Enchantedzenny]

I'm not even surprised, with all this drama going on in the community.. it's like a normal thing now.

[@Kuangy12]

Ahmad Hero Family Copy Aphmau

[@DevilixlyLilyx]

I acknowledge that we didn't listen to flo and got our idols and ourselves later on in trouble Some of the viewers were smart enough to not get involved and not make a video, sadly i was not one of those viewers. I hope this drama ends before December and no drama comes after it in 2024 Many people have quit, and many have been upset about that. We were concerned for flotendelys this year as alot of drama has been happening. This is a community where everyone should show their creativity, enjoy their channel and life and everyone gets along, but some people don't like that and some have mental issues so that description so they ruin it We should enjoy this community while it lasts We didn't do a good job, but we tried, guys...

[@Spraysrapyueu]

I wonder when will the drama era thing stop and just moved on and go with the flow. I just hope that everything's resolved and grow up and learn everything on what happened to it.

[@DevilixlyLilyx]

@@Spraysrapyueu i hope so too..

[@RaeBooc0vv]

This video has obvious favouritism, like you didn’t even mention the flaws of Wise Fox. Instead you started to portray Mika as a “horrible person” without actually listening to Mika’s side to the story. Honestly talk all the crap you want. It’s you that is wrong here. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU so why are you all of the sudden choosing sides lol 😂.

[@c0nstanc393]

The fact she’s only hearting the comments the comments that are on her side 💀

[@Rand0m_B0z0]

​@@c0nstanc393because she always thinks she's right knowing she's not👨‍🦯

[@yvvune]

​​@@c0nstanc393 I literally just discovered just now and then this video can really be misleading and manipulative. Because, the words and perspective used were not the best for someone who is "Neutral" or a "Mediator" like what part of that was neutral? And then she went on and said "Aggressive" like... That word can literally change a person's perspective of the drama with that word. Like from the chats of her and Kisses she was understanding and empathetic. But from my memory, it seemed like Flo was making Mika seem bad since she and Kisses were involved before. Then flo said that their situations were the same. Like, Kisses reached out to Mika before the situation escalated where as Robin didn't. It's really unfair cause like, there were already some biased red flags since Ajax had such a biased thumbnail and what part of that will end the drama? And you are doing is picking a side. Flo could've shown Robins flaws and wrong doings.

[@Daziette_officially_w_u]

This is the total reason everyone is being harassed because of this mika is wrong using her fanbase as a weapon is wrong she also favoured others even tho they posted the same type of video on the same day

[@Daziette_officially_w_u]

You need to realise that just because she's your fav youtube doesn't mean when she calls something copying it is copying you need to have your own brain and to think about your own actions and the emotional consequences

[@Mount_Everest851]

Exactly what I was thinking! The drama started with Mika's post showing not only pictures of the thumbnail comparisons, but comments saying Wisefox copied her. THAT'S WHAT STARTED IT ALL

[@Spraysrapyueu]

Sounds *EERILY* similar to someone who said their art is "traced" even though it's not and not having a valid proof.

[@quit3118]

@@SpraysrapyueuDamn...

[@LolAlosh]

Wise also copied mika alot for ex in the vidoe where you can back front in gacha

[@just_lynx_x]

but the thing is, wise fox did copy her and she had to do something, right? also flo did not mention anything about the 3 other videos of the same idea (wise fox copying mika)

[@DoumaKocho]

16:08 Then you should have declined the offer then?? Mika Rou and wise Fox shouldn’t have told their fans about the situation. I’m sure they knew what would happen if they did. *welcome to the internet, everyone!!* This kind of problem isn’t just present in the Gacha community, it’s everywhere in the internet.

[@aidayii]

hi flo, i really love you and im a big fan of you! But im seeing some kind of wrong statements here. I just saw Miss Fluff's video earlier about this video and i really agreed with their opinion since i also thought the same. This video is almost about targetting mika rou and victimizing wise fox, you only pointed out mika rou for the 'bad things' she did but not Ajax! You clearly showed the images of clickbait that Ajax had shown to make mika look bad but you didnt point that out/defended him. It was also very clear the theres a similiarity between the two paintings that wise fox and mika rou has but you said that there was none. I hope that you dont get offended by this, Im truly a big fan of you but I just felt like you didnt have a clear explanation this time and your points were weak. I hope you understand!

[@meiidrawstbhk]

Honestly I just hope everything gets resolved. We’re rooting for you Flo! Sorry you always have to deal with drama in this community 🫶💙

[@Chloe_GachaTubez]

15:21 THANK YOU FOR POINTING THIS OUT!!! I hate how people, including Ajax, are involving themselves when they aren’t supposed to

[@NYX.-gv6be]

Hi flo, im gonna explain something ive seen in your video. favouritism. As I've seen here, you've been more forgiving to wise fox and Ajax more than mika, even after fox had made a negative comment about her and began making her look bad. Robin response was very hurtful as well but as i saw you had kept siding with him.

[@shedotshearts]

Thank you so much for posting the full perspective! I applaud your maturity with how you dealt with the situation. I actually feel kinda dumb for being played by Mika so easily, but at least you cleared it up and I appreciate it, and we can now put the controversy to rest. Taught me a very important lesson too!

[@Flotalendy]

Both sides tried really hard to make up… while not listening to the other, which ended in loops-

[@shedotshearts]

Ah yes. A recipe for disaster 😅. Anyhow, I hope this will TRULY be the end of all of this. I respect you heavily even tho I like just really became focused on the community again lol

[@shedotshearts]

Oh, idk if you had seen my comment from a week ago, but basically I said careful with how much you’re a mediator for others’ problems…I know firsthand how stressful it can be sometimes…

[@BubblyPink235]

Honestly, in my point of view, this wouldn't have started if Mika Rou just contacted WiseFox privately. Most of these "dramas" start because of Gachatubers not settling stuff in Dm's. If you post something on a community post to your 1.1 mil fans and say "I can't control my fans" is stupid. There has been MANY situations in the gacha community like this, You KNOW your fans are gonna go out of control like, how have do you not know this already?

[@50shadesofmidnight]

I believe that she did try to contact him but was ignored

[@Htfhfndnnxxn]

​@@50shadesofmidnightnah she didn't?

[@50shadesofmidnight]

@@Htfhfndnnxxn She did, she made a video addressing the drama and put screenshots

[@Htfhfndnnxxn]

@50shadesofmidnight so I think English isn't ur first language it's totally fine but she said in the past not this time because she have bad experience but atleast try? U make a Drama that should be public at all then u expect to not get hate?

[@Htfhfndnnxxn]

@@50shadesofmidnight those was from past!!

[@DreiLyrics]

Now this is what I like to hear coming from Flo in this video. This drama between Mika and Robin could have been avoided privately if they actually communicate and understand each other to begin with. Also, the last part is such a real talk moment for real. It was us who did all of this mess. People should understand we are just human beings. They made a lot of mistakes but let's hope that they will not repeat is. They have their own feelings and struggles in their life. And lastly, please don't call them as an idol because it was really annoying to be honest. Honestly, I won't be surprise if there will be more dramas next year for the gacha community but let's hope that everything will be good and better in the future. Expected that there will be problems but don't forget that there will always the best solution to it. Thank you so much, Flo for making this video and I hope that you're doing alright. Good luck on your midterms. 😁❤

[@O.OLumy-.-]

I honestly wish both creators good luck and hope they sort things out. They are both widely loved gachatubers. We as the gacha community have so much going on as a whole so this is kind of heart aching to hear about. I haven’t even heard about this mishap until this video honestly

[@ZoeyQ.]

This should be a lesson that we have no rights to forgive or involve themselves into drama they weren't apart of in the first place. I'm looking at those who forgive apology videos with them not being involved 😀

[@KatOnline]

Composition and execution matters and I'm glad you've mentioned this and have brought this up because I feel like I have to battle kids in this community who don't understand that. It's a big problem within the gacha community that people fight over similar ideas and process not being credited to them. It's one thing to be upset if someone copied your script or artwork that's completely valid, it's another if you're upset someone had a similar idea as you but made their own thing out of it that makes it completely different from your work. Also, I don't believe you can steal hacks. A hack counts as a process which isn't eligible of copyright, nor is following a similar process as someone else considered plagerism if the finished product/composition is different from the other. Example you are working on a school paper, you aren't committing plagerism for formatting your paper in MLA style just because someone else is also formatting their paper in MLA style. Luni made the game. If any processes within gacha life 2 you can do in the game was to be owned by anyone it's him. That's my take on this and usually when I say these things people get upset at me.

[@chaus1ku]

True!!!

[@TheOnlyDannyDoggy]

Okay.

[@KOROSIVE]

Is it just me or does this video seem biased?

[@w3lchia]

You're not alone, there's a lot of people who agree with you. Someone even made a video addressing the biases.

[@SHADYD3MON]

Same.

[@HerAngelCalli]

it fr does

[@starletnight2849]

Oh yeah, it’s chock-full of favouritism. I very much recommend the video made by Miss Fluffy on the situation! I feel that she described it very well and as unbiased as she could!

[@SHADYD3MON]

@@starletnight2849 I saw it.

[@kimmshuuchan]

Thank you, Flo, for making this video. I hope that people will understand better and hopefully avoid getting themselves involved in more future dramas. People should learn not to get themselves involved with the drama because it adds more fuel to the fire. It's better to leave them alone and let them resolve the issue.

[@just_lynx_x]

oh and just an update on mikas pov kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKOrk31rn9iDh7c

[@Maple_Syurp2]

Thank you Flo! I’ve been waiting for this to state my opinion. It’s an “no one is innocent but no one is guilty “ situation, I won’t make that rant video thing tho. Our community needs you Flo and you need to be more recognized❤ I started watching you though GL2 stuff, but you are an amazing editor and person in general. I hope you do great on your mid terms! ❤

[@GIRLGAMERalex]

You're right, people commenting under videos, saying slurs, and going as far as comparing them to specific disgusting people, or even telling them to d!e doesn't help. Throughout the whole drama I saw videos being made, and community post. If you specifically, the fans and or other Gacha creators are not involved in the drama, don't comment, make post or videos as it can lead to even more misinformation being thrown around. As _Kyra, a commentor under this video said: people need to understand that drama happens, it will always happen, and especially in a big community like ours (end quote) I hope that this drama will end calmly and in future dramas, the fans and other ranters can calm themselves and not involve themselves, and for other Gacha creators including the ones in this drama, you should know what impact you have if you handle these types of situations publicly. I don't believe anyone involved in this drama are bad people, they just made mistakes. Anyways Thank you for carrying the Gacha community and letting us as fans and other content creators realize their mistakes you are the GOAT! 💖💖💖💝💝💝💕💕💞

[@YourAverageLoser763]

ok actually wait- i recently got reminded of this drama and decided to look back at this video, no offense flotalendy, but this feels biased? like your playing as the neutral party but you arent that neutral...? idk it just comes off as kinda fake

[@just_lynx_x]

it is biased, very biased

[@YourAverageLoser763]

@just_lynx_x yeah, even Cleaer after Mikas new video

[@just_lynx_x]

@@YourAverageLoser763 frr but i wish flo wasnt biased, she was the only ranter i trusted

[@YesArdaj-fm9km]

@@just_lynx_x mika stan

[@YesArdaj-fm9km]

@@just_lynx_x if this is biased then your biased

[@nizzimura..]

first lets give a big round' of applause for flo, even when her midterms are near and has to study. Thank you flo for handling the situation maturely

[@SproutP4wz]

Flo, apologies if i’m rude, but this is VERY biased. I know that if you like a gachatuber, its hard to say anything bad about them. However, do know that lots of people trust you a lot. If you make a biased video and claim your neutral what will people think about Mika Rou? They will believe every word you say because they trust you. So please, no matter how much you love a youtuber, dont hesitate to talk about what THEY did wrong, too. Edit: Also Flo, i know you dont want to address the comments like these because the only comments you are hearting are the comments praising you and saying how right you are. But you have to anyways, because as you’ve said before, the truth should be from you. So please make a video giving us the truth. No matter how much you think it will hurt your channel, lying or presenting a half truth will only reflect badly on you. Have a nice day 😊

[@jianpu8064]

Sorry Flo. This video isn’t exactly neutral. I know this drama was ages ago but, if you are going to point out things Mika did, and not Robin, that’s not being neutral. 1) Just because the video isn’t 100% the same, doesn’t mean that it isn’t copied. You literally made a video talking about people copying Mika before. 2) When Mika left the group chat, saying she was proud of her fans, maybe she meant she was proud of her fans for standing with her? Not for sending death threats?? 3) When Robin shared the video with Ajax, that was clearly not “trying to end the drama”. Literally look at the thumbnail. You say everything in Mika’s video was from Mika’s point of view. However, everything in Ajax’s video is also from him point of view. And you never pointed that out. 4) When you said Lil kisses never took inspiration from Mika, yes she didn’t. But she reached out to Mika and told her before drama started. Robin has copied Mika in the past, so it might be normal for Mika to not want to reach out to him anymore. Of course, reaching out in private is better, I agree. But Mika’s actions are understandable when you think about the fact that Robin has copied her before. You made a video on this, remember? So personally, I think that this video is siding towards Robin. This is my opinion, I know it’s hard to be a mediator; but if you are going to point out Mika’s mistakes, and not Robins, then that is not neutral. (MY OPINION) Edit - well this aged horribly- before I was on Mika’s side but now just no.

[@MsCandyLOL]

Agree, flo didn't even talked about ajax that much, ajax has literally nothing to do with this situation and wise fox should have told ajax to stay away from the situation but he was literally showing ajax's video in his community post to let his fans see the drama

[@jianpu8064]

@@MsCandyLOLFr why did she even add him in the group chat? He’s got nothing to do with this drama and obv he’s going to be on wise fox’s side as he’s his friend, so it’s 2 v 1. And Flo is kind of favoriting wise fox so it’s really just 3 v 1… Not that wise fox doesn’t have valid points but Mika also did and Flo kind of ignored them

[@MsCandyLOL]

@@jianpu8064 Yeah

[@XMARVXUTORXETUX]

(Not really trying to be rude but) My say on this is that they were the ones that made it worse, including Ajax. Ajax is the one causing Wise Fox to be a lot negative towards Mika Rou. It’s mostly Ajax’s fault cuz he’s the one making the situation worse without not being able to handle it, but the three really need to stop being petty to one another. If I see one more gacha drama, I’m going to absolutely lose it.

[@Brookcario]

Yeah. Ajax pretty much put himself into this drama FOR NO REASON. This had nothing to do with him 😭

[@GainThemselves]

I told that to Ajax and the only thing he said was “Flo’s video will make you apologize to me” without saying anything about him associating himself with the drama. And I can say I’m not apologizing to Ajax

[@no1233i]

Like he was the one who put himself in the drama.Ajax was the one who made it was .this was why wise fox was negative to mika . Why would Ajax put himself in drama

[@sabbskiru]

i really,REALLY hate dramas so much and i do think that this drama is unnecessary because an original idea isn't actually original idea at all! stay strong my greatest grandma, i hope you get good scores for the midterms😞 you spoke facts, i'm actually trembling rn

[@itz_nofia]

We're so lucky to have you in this community. I really appreciate your hard work to end this.

[@hoaxstage]

chatting in the live chat was hella confusing as people kept talking about genshin, like when did genshin come here?? but this drama is so childish and so uncalled for. people even sent death threats like what? Mika and wise fox are definitely both in the wrong so people should stop defending one another

[@Spraysrapyueu]

For real, this is one of the reasons why we must keep neutral on any situations This isn't like a game or anything for someone to win This is a real problem were every flaws they made on their scenario

[@School_sucks_ass]

Yeah I wasn’t on either side

[@HozeyKun]

I can't shake my head with drama being made publicly not privately especially with being cause by Small things. Looks like the Gacha Community keeps having drama everyday and Flo here needs a fucking break cause her back is breaking for doing so much in the community

[@koifish6973]

And this is why I stay out of drama unless it affects me directly

[@PoetlyGacha]

I know many people are complaining about so much drama in the Gacha community and yes it is a problem sadly as 2023 is probably the year with the most drama in Gacha Community so far but there is a lot of drama in many communities. For example Minecraft with Dream, Roblox with Koneko, make up community has a lot of problematic people, Sniper, and more. It is not just Gacha Community with drama but there has been a giant rise with drama in 2023 especially in November for some reason which is very sad and disappointing…

[@Enigmatic_Fella]

Just a normal day on the gacha community 😄

[@-Crunchy_Lemons-]

*yes...*

[@Kuangy12]

Aphmau Fan Copy Aphmau

[@Bazk1t]

yeseses

[@-Crunchy_Lemons-]

@@Kuangy12 what?

[@HozeyKun]

Yep everyday there's drama gonna need some coffee haha

[@macaroonadmires]

Thank you so much for making this clear, and making the drama end (hopefully it will). And I am sure that, Wise fox obviously did make those things by himself and when we compare those images from Mika and Wise fox, I am pretty sure there's lots of differences.. Maybe after all he (Wise fox) didn't get inspired by Mika and just did those by himself I guess? But since you explained to us, we are now clear with the drama and I guess you ended the drama! Thank you so much Flo!

[@-Aliiya-684]

I learned about this a couple days ago and I wanted to say thank you. Over the past year I have been watching your content and the amazing stuff you do. In my opinion this looks like a lot of pressure to take on but youre handling it amazingly! Thank You so much and I hope you have a great day٫ you definently deserve lots of happiness! 😊

[@HarmonyMoonbeam024]

Flo, I just wanna say, thank you SO FREAKING MUCH for this video! I have been confused as hecc, not knowing who to believe, not wanting to pick sides, not wanting any part of whatever this drama is. And now this video has FIIIINALLY shed good light on the situation, and maybe I’ll start thinking about coming back into the community. Thank you so much for ending this whole debacle💜

[@TheTrueHailey]

Why can't the Gacha community just have a little break, and peace?! :(

[@quit3118]

It’s how a community worse, there will always be drama no matter how to tame communities are

[@tridungta9151]

It a canon event cannot be avoid. There always at least a gachatuber a year to get backlash and execution themselves or huge drama between many gachatubers😢

[@Maki-bae]

Bc people are assholes (Not Mikarou and Wise fox particularly but y'know). There'll always be assholes in every community.

[@decomp0s3dmierc0]

one thing the fans did that bother me a lot is use hatsune or lentotally and compare them to this issue. it kinda shows how uneducated and insensitive people are when it comes to respecting victims of pedophilia

[@Jdutton24]

I really want to point out something here: You ONLY listed mikas "Bad" actions, Painting: wise fox had more similaries than you pointed out. Theres 2 trees, the sun, and really 65 percent of the ENTIRE painting. You have favorited wise fox and probably did not take this topic seriously. Which, as your role as a mediator is abasaloutely against the entire point of your role. Another thing is that plagarisem can come in multiple forms, he did, and will probably continue copying mika. She has pretty popular hacks as well, and thus, people ARE going to copy. Wise Fox was in the wrong in ways. Thus transitioning us into the next anime heads Anime heads: Lil kisses not had a history of copying mika, robin does. This sums up the literal entire section. You are COMPARING 2. DIFFRENT. SITUATIONS. That's really all about these sections. Clothes adjustments: Time diffrences can be a sign someone did get inspired/copied. The editing and literally almost everything has been copied, except in wise foxes style. You need to relize that wise fox couldve lied to your face as he has a history of doing that. Conclusion: Please be caring with your roles, kids!

[@Matt_cut]

Honestly if ajax hadn't made that one video, the "drama" could of had ended more quickly/smoothly without anyone getting hurt.

[@jiyakuches220]

My view on that drama is that it's the biggest "Pig War" in the Gacha Community despite there being many ongoing dramas here, which are easy to begin but hard to end. The drama has been getting complex since the beginning, with video controversies on YT. I @electrokatz 's notes on the lesson are good: No involving ourselves in others' dramas while letting one solve themselves respectfully, and similarities don't have to coordinate with inspiration, copying, and plagiarism. II Flo's final section gave a strong message: Like many communities, members are obsessed with idols they like and would defend if criticism appears. Basically, random commenters don't control themselves, which unnoticeably hurts and makes the situation worse. III My opinion and how I learn: I visit everywhere on the internet, see dramas, and involve myself in them. Like most viewers, they literally make their opinions but do not think about the consequences. The longest is two years, caused by an oc shipping, beginning with two girls, hurting after all. Learning from Robin-Mika drama: - No involving ourselves if not needed - Think before commenting before it makes you look dumb (others' conversations changed my mindset, too) - Something is similar; don't assume that someone copies you, sometimes, it can be a coincidence. IV To conclude, the drama between Robin & Mika began with easy to solve, but like any drama, we don't see the end. In the Gacha Community, or any community, Not involving ourselves, handling things privately, and similarities don't mean gathering from someone. Also, viewers make the drama/situation worse. We should control ourselves. Hope my comment makes sense and not hurting. And I apologize for making it into an essay Best regards! - Jiyaku

[@Gachaplushbread]

Sometimes with dramas like these, we forget the ones around us in the community are human we act in ways inhuman we say things inhuman and sometimes we do things for NO REASON that are inhumane and I’m not saying everyone does that but people can be chaotic and act like the ones around us aren’t human, flotalendy you’re a big inspo and I’m glad you covered this topic thanks!

[@doritogacha123]

So glad that this is getting solved professionally by flo💗 I hope this drama can end with flourishing colors and maybe even a fixed friendship!

[@DxtElbert]

Hi, I just wanted to state my opinion on this video not the situation in any type of way just how this video is surpassingly “natural” I don’t have any hate towards your content I like watching your content here’s just my opinion. You said you were gonna be natural in this situation but it seems to me you showing favoritism towards Wise Fox or giving him the benefit of the doubt more when he’s done some of the same things first before Mika or sharing content with thumbnails making her look bad first, and in your context plagiarism is exactly copying it, plagiarism can still be plagiarism when someone changes it up a little bit to make it looks like they made it when you made the edit clothing adjustments he copy Mika but just hide it with the video context being answering a question, this could be a misunderstanding I’m not sure but it still is plagiarism. I don’t want to spend too I much time typing but your favoritism towards Wise Fox was clear and you weren’t neutral in this situation please don’t take my opinion to heart and I ask for everyone to respect my opinion as this is how I feel about this video as you can see the favoritism throughout the video if you pay attention. Please don’t take this as harassment or being rude as this is my opinion.

[@MaxIsHungie2_0]

Like how you didn't say a single bad thing about wf but dragged mika around, clear favoring.

[@Gachamations-c5x]

I think that’s because there was evidence supporting Robins side. It wasn’t meant to be favored toward him :/

[@Gachamations-c5x]

That’s because there is evidence to support him unlike Mika. She showed both of the sides equally but Robin looked a little better in the situation because for the majority of it he was correct.

[@Sereinty_Lilys]

I’m crying in the inside on how the Gacha community is still full of drama- It’s 3;00 am. why can’t the Gacha community stop making up drama and why are so many Gacha tubers ending up horrible?? :’) Though I’m glad you made this video so my tired brain didn’t find some random rant about this and believe it. I can kinda see why Miku thought wise fox was copying but I honestly think that a lot of Gacha tubers are just afraid on getting copied after so many people have been copying each other this year. Praying that 2023 has less drama. (Sorry for any spelling mistakes, I’m tired and can barely focus on spelling)

[@reinyvi_safsaf]

i know right

[@Lil_Koi127]

thank you for sharing ths case with us flotalendy it has made me really understand that people really do get confused at stages and your always there to help others understand im very happy to have someone amazing as you in our community

[@dreamstarluver]

Thank you for mentioning this Flo. Lets end this year with amazing achievements!!!❤❤❤🎉

[@Launa-]

Thank you Flo for clearing things up. I was really confused but now it makes perfect sense!

[@J0Y_.]

To everyone in the gacha community include Gacha kids: even for what mika did DON'T GO AND HATE ON HER NOR UNSUBCRIBE....(apologies for some bad engish sorry🙃) When I found out about what is happening... It sometimes makes me feel like crying cuz almost the whole year, they have been cases, rants, p3do's and all those things are making the gacha community fall apart and almost crash down... we need to keep the community peacfully , joyful funny and all those good values... And Flo, thanks for letting all of us know... and when this case ends, let us not have another one kindly speaking... thank you for the people that have read this💓(not be that one dumb idiot..) Edit: MOM!! I'M FAMOUS!!!! Edit: since people cannot stop replying to my commment saying gacha kids can hate in mika, to gacha kids: You can hate on mika or wise fox how you want know, no one will care...

[@_ShiAngel]

To everyone in the gacha community including gacha kids: Unsubscribe to her if you want to, nobody can tell you to not unsubscribe from someone lmao 💀 go choice your own decisions instead of listening to people on the internet

[@everyonesplace1267]

⁠@@_ShiAngeli agree. i have unsubscribed from several people for this very reason. they make a big deal about something. i don’t agree with their points and i do not want to be supporting someone like that. anyone that wants can definitely unsubscribe. subscribers aren’t loyal dogs, theyre people who find the ytber’s content entertaining/informational. no one should feel pressured to stay subscribed. besides, mika rou already has tons of subscribers. it’s not like some people unsubscribing will do anything. she already has enough subscribers. besides, i am 99% sure she makes MONEY off of her videos. if someone doesn’t want to directly give her money, that’s completely valid. this person also seems sort of biased? like they didn’t mention wise fox at all? like, um, are you saying its okay to unsubscribe and attack wise fox? have some equality here.

[@_ShiAngel]

@@everyonesplace1267 I really agree with you, I hate it when after a drama people keep saying "no don't unsubscribe to that person because they did [insert irresponsible act] !!!!", It's like they want us to keep obeying them like servants and watch their videos to give them some indirect money. KZbinrs who tell you to subscribe because most people who watch their videos aren't subscribed blablabla look like beggars at this point. (And edit: rereading this comment here again it kinda seems narcissistic, not to be rude or anything but it seems like op just didn't wanted people to unsubscribe from Mika just for their (op's) own happiness and joy)

[@everyonesplace1267]

@@_ShiAngel yeah just seems like a mika rou stan tbh

[@_ShiAngel]

@@everyonesplace1267 agreed strongly

[@SidekickSuperFly1]

That’s really crazy that all happened. I just only seen and heard about the drama and I didn’t know it was that bad.

[@Offi.cialy-Eri]

It’s actually normal to be the ‘one’ to start a ‘trend’ especially this is the gacha community. You can encounter some gacha influencers comparing their work with other influencers work for the sake of the trend and views. Mika rou’s case is somewhat normal for big time influencers when you are the one starting this massive trend and inspiration for your fans. So what if mika rou was racing to get the most subs and se’es robin as a threat? I don’t know because i dont have the proof for it. But with her only snapping at robin, there is a ‘chance’

[@Offi.cialy-Eri]

@@plastic_disc but she basically ‘inspired’ her fans so af course as a fan you get inspired becuz your idol has done it. And she attacked wise fox and not the other youtubers who did it too

[@Romhack0101]

I hope this stops the drama fully. Thank you, for explaining. 💙

[@rustyasteroid]

Man.. drama can’t stop can it? But then again, dramas had been going on for like, years now I think? I normally don’t speak up about a drama or anything. I’ve spoken up once about someone I’ve encountered, but that was only once. I’ve stood quiet for the rest of the dramas since I knew it will get worse if people randomly start bashing one or more others. I just, hope this drama calms down eventually. And I wish you best as well Flo, covering on a lot of dramas must be stressing to do. Eventually, things may keep on going the same without a single piece of change. But that doesn’t mean the community’s dying. Sure theres drama, and most people quitting, but that just means more new others joining. As of for the dramas, I won’t take any sides, especially in this one. I just hope the two settle it down.

[@aayanusman]

I think Ajax was wrong to post a video even when Mika didn’t .And Mika should have talked privately …

[@Actually_a_bat]

Feel like some serious favoritism is going on here

[@yvvune]

Not serious but double Major favouritism

[@YesArdaj-fm9km]

Cry

[@queenvika666]

In general, I am very sorry that many people like to add fuel to the fire, even if there is no reason. If you are a popular person, then expect an expose about yourself, where there is any misinformation or, as evidence, screenshots with jokes that no one understood, or were taken too seriously. In my case, this is a joke and, let’s say, black PR, which did not turn out in the best way. It’s sad, really, I’m especially disappointed in people who get into other people’s conflicts and threaten them. This is terrible, at this rate it’s better to remain in the shadows and not become popular.

[@KitCat365]

Omg queen vika how does this have no likes and I agree

[@aqmrex]

Flo, I just want to say THANK YOU for putting up with all these dramas. Please remember that you can take a break and be healthy (my grammar is bad so I’m sorry)

[@Nimmaaar44]

Appreciated to Flo posting this video especially for acting like a responsible adult and I have respect for that

[@SenTheDoodle]

I can’t believe this whole drama is going on… I hope this ends soon. Flo, I feek like you should take a break from this drama, you deserve it. Let’s hope for the best everyone!

[@lemmielavender]

Thank you for clearing up some things in the video. Let's just hope that we can all mature and resolve things soon. Causing more problems for others is never necessary to fix a drama

[@Hanzderoffizier]

Je suis désolée,mais la , tu as faite du gros favoritisme pour Wise Fox , aussi , Mika n'était pas aggresive ou violente pour moi , et aussi , tu critiquais seulement Mika et non Wise fox , si tout les deux sont faux , pourquoi critiquer Mika seulement ? Cette fois , tu a vachement tord

[@meriyonlmao5780]

im really glad u made a vid about this, you know how this works and some of us can get to know more about the drama

[@Wowzers9292]

This is so biased for someone who is being neutral, Flo☹️ I expected better from you

[@Idktodaybubbles]

Idrc about the bias. Because are we gonna ignore the fact that she’s going through midterms and having to deal with this whole thing?

[@just_lynx_x]

i just wanna say, if she was going through midterms, she shouldve assessed the situation later, instead of favouritism, and it made mika look bad just because of midterms?? i understand the stress, but it made people hate on mika and she couldve done it later

[@thesehandlessucksomuch]

your Probaly just a mika Stan. Never learn do you@@just_lynx_x

[@crazycookie1352]

Tbh, there is drama 24/7 in gachatube. Whenever I can I do things to avoid drama, at all costs. All I can do is give a few tips just to not get into drama 1 : Always credit even if you got the smallest amount of inspo, credit, or else you might end up in drama. 2 : Always put a water mark, people might steal your videos and then start drama. 3 : Delete hate comments, if you don't people will keep going and start drama. 4 : If the video could or causes a bit of drama, take to the person privately and sort it out.

[@frenkieshis]

I actually think this like Flo, and I find absolutely DISGUSTING comparing Mika to Hatsumi rou and LenTotally, two groomers. AND THO- THOSE TREATS. Posting things pubblic made the situation really worse, and it was difficult to understand who actually was right, so I thank Flo for this video that cleared up things.

[@ROSEWATER69]

Bruh there is literally favouritism

[@m4xissillyy]

yeah

[@Pufferblurb]

fr

[@bdeditz0]

Bruh it's been months and you're still hating them? (all of them)

[@just_lynx_x]

@@bdeditz0 yeah? why not? flo wasnt good at assessing the situation and made it worse

[@editinq09]

sorry flo but uh, if you see this comment could you maybe address the accusations of favoritism in this video against you??

[@eeeEEEeeeEEEEEE-eeeeeee]

bump this comment

[@heyrobyn]

yeah

[@melouromi]

drama in the gacha community is stupid. Large Gachatubers also let their ego grow and grow because of their stans, most gachatuber's stans are usually kids and sometimes immature which makes the gachatubers themselves immature and egostical sometimes. For a literal KIDS community, there's so much drama and toxicity.

[@realslimshuki]

“I ain’t watching all that 💀” LOL I HAD TO IM SORRY

[@reidraws]

It really is a shame that people can't follow basic instructions and include themselves in this drama when they specifically asked not to.