Mike Mentzer Interview Part 4

[@dchoudhury3071]

I fill very fortunate to came across this series. Best ever. Clear all my doubts about training. Thank you retro muscle for this series. I wish he was still alive and I could meet him

[@fender1000100]

Follow the teachings and you will see stellar results. I was adding 10lbs to my deadlift every workout. All my lifts went up. And I put on real muscle.

[@dchoudhury3071]

@@fender1000100 10 lbs every session, ain't you going too fast ?

[@eliteman58]

@@fender1000100 double chin lard boy that got his crap music equipment stolen, living in poverty status. 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[@binchili]

@@dchoudhury3071 he didn't add no 10 lbs

[@dtm4071]

@@binchili He's fat and lies about everything

[@strengthequals5336]

Mike not get his physique from the program in his latest books. However I've talked to Mike many times. His answer to how he got his physique is this. He started off with the conventional way of training (6 days a week) made some progress. Made better progress with less training(3 days) full body. As time went on he learned and adjusted his program for better results. He said if he knew what he knew now(1999) he would of made better and faster progress. A beginner should start off with Heavy Duty.

[@SH-yk4ft]

Damn straight

[@fender1000100]

EXACTLY. My bench press plateaued on 225 for 7 for years. I really though that was it for me at 179lbs. Once I started experimenting with FREQUENCY. I BROKE THE PLATEAU after I started resting SIX days between workouts instead of THREE. By the time I got up to 345lbs for 4 reps. I was resting an incredible 11 days between workouts. Thats what it took to get that strong FOR MY GENETICS. This man was dogmatic and unapologetic. But the SOB was fucking RIGHT. If I had continued to bench every three days. I would STILL be benching 225lbs. Man was 100% on this. Everyone must find their PRIME RECOVERY RATE. EVERYONE. Or you will waste YEARS.

[@SH-yk4ft]

@@fender1000100 recovery is more important than the actual workout! I was in the same boat, spinning wheels for years

[@dtm4071]

@Proxima Centauri How did that work out for you? lol

[@luigi909]

@Proxima Centauri bisogna emigrare su siti inglesi per trovare un po' di hd,in Italia e' terra bruciata! Il tuo workout sembra un po' lungo,riduci gli esercizi! Ad esempio un athlete routine🤗

[@nicholasjanke3476]

Ive been trying Mentzer's techniques and they definitely work! I train once a week nine days recovery and Im building more muscle mass than I ever did heavy volume training

[@fender1000100]

You will because you are now getting 100 units of your effort back. Become you dont interrupt the recovery process..A volume trainer doesnt. He keeps tearing the muscles down. Before theyve fully recovered and over compensated from the previous workout. So will take much longer to reach the same destination. Not to mention alot more wear and tear on the joints..I'm 57..and most guys my age who have trained volume all their lives. Have shot joints. Arthritis, tendonitis. And have to wrap their joints to train. I dont have any damage to my joints. Because I havent overused them.

[@eliteman58]

@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines love it

[@blakes.4625]

Thanks for setting this up, Retro Muscle. I’d love to see more from Mentzer on the channel

[@JAShalvey]

I love the guy's socks at the water fountain (background) at 5:00.

[@KevinLavorgna]

I started this training style and all my lifts are going up so far, my weight is as well. Chest i do : Pre exhaust with pec dec (2x6-8) Incline bench (“”) Dips (“”) SS- Tricep push downs (“”) Shoulder pres (“”) Side Laterals (“”) 3-4 day rest until next chest/shoulder day

[@CoachPalacio]

Pure gold

[@antoninoma7797]

Mentzer's heavy duty system always made the most sense of any training protocol.💪

[@antoninoma7797]

@Edoardo Quarta Yes, Darden's books were awesome too. High Intensity Bodybuilding was great

[@dtm4071]

@@antoninoma7797 Darden admitted 92% of people don't use HIT. It doesn't work. He's a con man just like Mentzer.

[@SH-yk4ft]

I use to do 12 plus sets per body part, now I do 4 total sets for the whole upper body, 2 sets for legs and I've seen more consistent progess than ever before.

[@dtm4071]

@Edoardo Quarta Who spends hours and hours at the gym? One set isn't enough, lazy HITters.

[@dtm4071]

@Edoardo Quarta Why the fuck would you want to puke? yeah real hardcore,. Go visit Darden's site, all HITters are small.

[@GingerWildcat]

I have always loved Mentzer's way of speaking and the logical thought processes he shares but I think we all wish to see more mesuared and data logged records the results garnered from HIT and Heavy Duty training programs. More than just the Colorado Experiment. Especially on proven naturals, and newbies and post-prime aged newbies(beginners starting past their prime age) whom don't have dormant recessive myonuclei waiting to bounce back all their gains(like the CE's participant did). I think I heard Dorian Yates say that he was working on building a HIT training lab in his fitness center in Spain in 2021. The plan was to actually officially create a new medical journal publishing organization and flesh out more and more scientific data on the actual results of HIT and Heavy Duty style training on every type human more or less.

[@vezeris]

Learning Mike's method was eye opening to me. Now i get nice steady gains without burning myself out.

[@vezeris]

@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines No no, I'm serous! I'm not being funny - my strength is going noticeably up - before I was able to do 15 pull ups max. After one month I can do 35 reps with bodyweight ,at witch point I started adding weight - now I can do 16 reps with 16 kilos attached!

[@vezeris]

@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines What is your holy grail, friend? How do you do it?

[@vezeris]

@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Oh yeah, that's legit! No argument there! Last time I went volume I gained about ten kilos for about four months. I was inspired by Serge Nubret.

[@dtm4071]

@@vezeris Nubret's routine is awesome. People say it doesn't work for naturals lol The results were/are exceptional.

[@fender1000100]

@@dtm4071 It doesnt it's ridiculous OVERTRAINING. A natural cannot train that much. They will not recover. Progress will be non existent past newbie gains. This is why millions of volume trainers are spinning their wheels. Then when someone like me says I can add 10lbs to my deadlift for more than 10 workouts in a row. It's like a shock to them. Because their overtrained bodies don't want to know. They're in such a hole. It can barely recover from a workout. Let alone give them any progress. But they simply cannot get this. So the time wasting goes on and on.

[@alikural266]

Mentzer 🙏

[@chocolatier9597]

Thank you for posting this.

[@Andre-in4qh]

💪 Good Interview

[@fender1000100]

The best. This great mans BOOK HEAVY DUTY II MIND AND BODY. Changed my life. I made more progress in 6 months..doing the suggested routines and adding in more rest days. Than I did in the previous 20 years doing volume.

[@carpediem6568]

When you learn the science of bodybuilding, it's wonderful. Then adjust it to your personal self. Because very few of us are a Mike Mentzer. He had a will of iron.

[@zappy1969]

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[@nicholasjanke3476]

My current workout is day 1. sissy squats for twenty reps, 1 set. Then it's close stance pushups-1 set, twenty reps. Then nine days rest. Then day 2. Situps-twenty reps 1 set. Superman pulldowns-twenty reps, 1 set. Then nine days rest. I see very good muscular progress. I don't lift weights I do only body weight exercises.

[@dtm4071]

That's not a workout.

[@jeffgovern1702]

IMHO Heavy Duty does work. Straight sets of compound movements with no super setting was all that was required. Most trainees are brainwashed by the muscle comic books that recommend 12-24 [ or more ] sets per body part.

[@dtm4071]

'Brainwashed' says the HITter. You listened to a man who built himself with high volume training, like everyone else did, tell you that they are all wrong. You fell for it.

[@jeffgovern1702]

@@dtm4071 i hate ann rand so damn much that y'all can have Mentzer. I lost zero leg strength after a 113 day lay-off. That's my story and i'm stickin' to it

[@dtm4071]

@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines No mention of size gains, always the same with these HITters.

[@dtm4071]

@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines We knew Project DX wouldn't show us how 'superior' HIT is. They're all full of shit.

[@QRU39]

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[@carpediem6568]

Finally came to the conclusion that Mentzer was a brilliant prophet for one system. But there are two systems, volume being the other. Whatever floats. But it's the pump, however you get there. The problem with HIT is that lifting is not easy to begin with, and training hard is that much...harder. I've been around long enough to know that high intensity in every workout, heavy weights, with slow negatives to failure is a prescription for burnout. It happened to Mentzer.

[@DanLetts97]

Almost everything you say about bodybuilding is wrong. First of all you won’t burn out on heavy duty if you’re taking enough time off between workouts. This is the one thing that most people who fail at heavy duty get wrong: you should only train once every 5 to 7 days or even less. As for your comment on pump, I have a busy day ahead of me and I don’t have time to even acknowledge such a ludicrous statement that pump has anything to do with muscle growth. Pump simply means that you’ve trained a muscle, you could pump up in a swimming pool going for a swim. It just means blood has moved into the muscle, and it has literally nothing to do with muscle growth. What does stimulate muscle growth is triggering the growth mechanism, and then getting out and resting and allowing the muscle to recover and grow. Poundage progression is your goal is a weightlifter, because as muscles get stronger they get bigger. You shouldn’t even be talking about pump You’re probably that guy that spends all day in the gym doing cable crossovers

[@dtm4071]

@@DanLetts97 It is burning you out because you need to rest for so long, muscles do not take 5 plus days to recover. Your CNS is causing such a prolonged and unnecessary 'recovery'. Lol at the pump being meaningless. HIT and it's dogma, such bullshit.

[@carpediem6568]

@@DanLetts97 All I can say is you must be young. Because young people know nothing. I know how ignorant I was. My problem was I latched onto the wrong source and didn't go with Weider, a winner. Other than the long rest period you recommend, everything you said is wrong. Everything. Strength does not build muscle. Heavy weight builds strength, not muscular growth. And the pump is everything. It tears tissue and influxes the area with blood, the two things you want for muscular growth. And no, you never psychologically recover from HIT no matter how much rest you take. Over time it damages the psyche and you either slack off or quit, as Mentzer and Dorian did. And they were genetic freaks to begin with. Maybe you've heard of Albert Beckles, probably the most prolific bodybuilder in history. He specifically states the pump is everything. And if lifting moderately doesn't work, how come my muscles are all over the place. My muscle growth is astounding at an age most people are skin and bones. I learned the hard way that it's very easy for a natural to over train, that you need rest in proportion to the amount of work you do, and that lifting heavy builds strength. Lifting medium builds muscle. I even read that in a scientific journal. I vary my weights from light to medium to heavy, but my heavy would make people laugh, they're so light. Best of luck. You're going to need it or a steady supply of steroids. If you are enhanced, it's a whole ball game I know nothing about. Beckles does.

[@carpediem6568]

@@DanLetts97 I would advise you to practice what you preach;; start out skinny, eat protein only, struggle with way too heavy weights and see where you are in a few years. I'm enjoying a wonderfully doable workout three times a week, concentrating on the pump, eat a non meat diet and having muscular growth I never dreamed of.

[@lateralus2199]

​@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Danny kicked Franco's ass in the 81 Olympia that Arnold promoted

[@darksolara6750]

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[@kimgriffin261]

I have always wanted to ask someone if his philosophy was good for someone starting off and wanting to build muscle. Did Mike Mentzer get his physique following his protocol in the beginning or did he follow the traditional bodybuilding protocol to get his physique and then later adopted his philosophy?

[@richardmarino2732]

He worked out like most of us early on until later in his career he met & learned the high intensity method from Arthur Jones which he modified slightly & is now known as the Mike Mentzer "heavy duty" method. With that being said, he recommends this especially for novices or people new to training so they dont waste years of their life with random styles of training & sporadic results without understanding of the relation between what they're doing & how it affects results. I know for a fact that his method works but I disagree that it's the only logical, effective approach to achieving a goal or result related to building muscle. My reasoning for that statement is you can walk in any gym & find people, myself included who are in above average condition & find many have never used his approach which on the other hand supports Mike's other point that had Arnold or Lee Haney used his method they would have saved countless hours working out & reached their goals sooner or went beyond . While I dont believe his is the only effective approach I can say it is a very efficient but intense approach to getting results if treated with respect concerning not doing extra sets or ignoring quality rest & nutrition in between sessions because although it sounds like minimal time is spent working out, if it's done right with focused intensity that one final hard set to failure is going to take a lot out of you. Hope this helps

[@SH-yk4ft]

Man, please don't listen to these volume pushers. I have tried the volume routine (20 plus sets) and been lifting weights for nearly 10 years and I'm telling you I've been doing a two set per body part workout twice per week and have seen uninterrupted increase in strength for nearly 6 months now. No other workout I've ever done has even come close to giving the results I'm getting. Do yourself a favour and give it a shot for at least 3 month's, you'll never want to do another training routine again.

[@SH-yk4ft]

@@richardmarino2732 The amount of volume Lee Haney and Arnold did had nothing to do with their physique they achieved, they were incredibly gifted athletes taking copious amounts of drugs. They could of achieved those results much sooner if they weren't in the gym 3 or 4 hours a day. Every volume trainer in the gym would look better over time if they took this approach, their recovery ability would dictate the frequency.

[@dtm4071]

He trained with volume like everyone else. Viator and Oliva both returned to volume after using HIT, go figure. You'll also notice HITters only talk about strength gains and not size gains because they barely look any different months later.

[@DanLetts97]

@@dtm4071 Strength and size are ultimately the same thing, as muscles get stronger they get bigger and this is self evident. Simply using a muscle doesn’t make it grow, that is also self evident. So what does make it grow? Making the muscles stronger is what will make it grow, because size and strength are the same thing: an increase in muscle fibre density. There is an obvious correlation between size and strength. If you went to the gym with a man who had big muscles you wouldn’t find him struggling to benchpress 150 pounds would you? Nor would you find him curling those little pink 2 pound dumbbells that the girls use. You would find him in possession of a very impressive level of strength. Also, if you were to ask him if he benchpresses more now than he did when he first started lifting weights he would answer with a very emphatic YES!! If size and strength weren’t directly correlated then there would be men with 19 inch biceps that could barely curl more than 20 pounds, but obviously that’s absurd. Big muscles and heavy weights go together for a reason and I’ll let you figure it out

[@josephclarke645]

How would mike have explained people making gains through traditional ‘overtraining’ methods? Maintaining it through HIT makes sense but from scratch and with no PEDs would be a very interesting study

[@RJ__927]

Genetics and exercise tolerance.. people differ to an extent in that.. while some people do actually succeeded, many fail... the idea is if those same people used the heavy duty principles they could have gotten much better results... as he said in the previous video... how could you justify training three hours a day six days a week and make some average and below progress when you could’ve done an hour a week split into two workouts and get similar or even better results?

[@RJ__927]

Joseph Clarke the idea is in the following: you might think they made good progress, but is it as good as they could have made it? Think of it as a return for investment in a way

[@fender1000100]

@@RJ__927 100% but they never learn. So have wait ages for little steps forward. I remember two guys in the gym jumping about the place. Like Pamela Anderson had offered them a blowjob.Or they had won the lottery. Once they finally calmed down. And we found out what all the noise was about. One of them says he had finally added another 4lbs to his barbell curl. After hitting the mother of all sticking points. For 4 months. I just rolled my eyes. Bare in mind that meant 24 actual workouts to add 4lbs. Or 2KG 4.4LBS to be exact. I would expect that in 3--5 workouts tops. This is the problem with NATURAL volume trainers. They dont realize lack of proper recovery is cheating them.

[@lateralus2199]

@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Arnold Schwarzenegger! Your god! That's who!

[@caleb6595]

Has anyone here done this type of training? And did it net results?

[@dtm4071]

Very slow results. Ask the HITters.

[@dtm4071]

@Proxima Centauri Exactly.

[@jimlanger3044]

Can I order 1000gm bottle of Phosphagen and some myoplex strawberry.

[@quantumpotential7639]

Manley P. Hall with a barbell.

[@risingconjunctvenus6568]

8 inches

[@АлексейЛесуков-ч3ь]

I agree almost on everything with Mike Mentzer but I have my doubts about this training system, if all we need is one set then we are missing training the upper chest " Incline bench " and lower chest "decline bench", by doing only one set of flat bench and one set of fly machine then we will have an undeveloped chest. Also what about the shoulder workout? We need to work front, side and rear delts plus a mass building military press so how can one set will cover all the shoulder angles? 🤔🤔🤔🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ Dorian followed this training system but modified to do extra sets but still keeping the sets very low at a high intensity, in my opinion one set is not enough I say at lest 6 or maybe 8 for large bodyparts that require stimulate the muscle from different angles like shoulders and chest.

[@RJ__927]

It depends on how you modify the program, you stick with it for as long as possible, now you notice a gap in a certain area so you go ahead and train that, muscles don’t atrophy as quick as people think... while I get the idea your saying think about it like this? Let’s take the quads as an example.. the quads are made up of four different heads, are you going to train each one separately? Not really you’ll just do leg extensions to cover that, make it a super set with leg presses or squats and you’ve basically covered most of what you can, the idea is to cover the most of what you can with the least amount of exercise required... let’s take the shoulders with it’s three different heads, in mike’s program, when you do for example dummbell flies super settingn incline presses you cover the front delts, triceps and middle and upper pecs .. on shoulder and arms day you do side laterals and bent over laterals so you covered the whole delt, then for triceps you do pushdowns supersetted with dips which cover the lower pecs, and so you have covered the whole pec in those two workouts

[@АлексейЛесуков-ч3ь]

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[@RJ__927]

Алексей Лесуков I was just answering the question, not necessarily saying I agree or disagree with what mike is saying... I’ve read most of his books and seminars so I believe I have a good idea about what he’s indicating, but not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing.. I’m waiting for Dorian to put out a book that would explaining his training methodology In detail

[@АлексейЛесуков-ч3ь]

@@RJ__927 👌👌👍👍

[@anab0lic]

You are correct. Mike is right that intensity is key and not volume... BUT in order to get the shape, to work and develop all the heads of a muscle completely, you must hit a muscle from different angles. Only do incline press, you will lack lower pecs..... only do pullovers you will develop lats but not upper back region.... only do narrow stance leg press you will get quads but not inner thigh development etc etc.... His principles are sound but not fully realised in my experience. But using what he preaches and building upon that as weaknesses show in your development, much like Dorian did, where he added a few more exercise to shift focus to different regions....thats where complete development will occur.

[@eliteman58]

Where's these muscular people training infrequently. I'm not taking about fat 250 pounder or scrawny 180. I'm talking bodybuilder looking. Mentzer website is nothing but average looking people.

[@dtm4071]

Yet HITters can't see it and are brainwashed into thinking it's their 'genetics'.

[@fender1000100]

@@dtm4071 Everything is GENETIC dopey..You couldnt get a physique like Sergio Oliva no matter how hard you trained. And what you took. Because you dont have the genetics he had. LESSON OVER.

[@eliteman58]

@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines I do believe hit has credibility if you do a typical pyramid of 10/8/6/4 and that last set is failure for 1 exercise. Then second exercise you would do 6/6/8, last set of 8 to failure. And so on. You definitely need volume and intensity to build a balanced physique. I personally respond better to more frequent hit training such as full body three days per week. I do sets of 20 for pump sets and those sets build so much muscle. I also like German Volume Training for 10x10 Projects DX has a lard, beginner looking physique. Even adding one hard set before your failure set is enough of a volume stimulus for growth. The problem is hit people are so lazy and convinced one all out set is all you need. The reality is several studies are showing multiple sets to be more effective that hit. Again, if hit is frequent enough. You can build an impressive physique

[@eliteman58]

@@fender1000100 Then explain to me how my friend that did hit for years with no visible muscle decided to transition to volume based routines of 15 sets per body part per week, blew up like crazy, all natty, not even creatine. He gained severs pounds with no change in diet

[@eliteman58]

@@fender1000100 Double chin, how's that hit working out for you STEVE MANN. 🤣 🤣 🤣

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