Mike Postle Cheating Scandal Condensed + NEW Hands

[@CrushlivePoker]

The point of this video was not to prove Postle's guilt in court, either criminally or civilly. I made it because JFK was taking a "victory" lap on twitter this past week claiming that because some of the civil plaintiffs in the case against Stones settled and signed a statement saying that they found "no forensic evidence that Stones of JFK were involve with cheating", that this proves in fact that no cheating occurred and that he is somehow vindicated. Whether he was involved or not, he was in charge of this project and was repeatedly warned that there was a very high chance of impropriety. As far as I can decipher he also lied to myself, Veronica Brill and others about doing an investigation on the issue when in fact none went on all. I want people both inside and outside the poker community to be able to reference the most damning hands easily instead of having to sift through dozens of hours of material that is not well organized (which is the way it currently exists on KZbin). I don't want Stones, JFK or Postle to viably be able to create a public narrative that this scandal was unfounded and was the result of "vloggers seeking views" and or an angry poker twitter mob.

[@speedpoker]

Thanks for taking the time to break this down. I agree 100% with your analysis and breakdown.

[@mikemckeon8976]

This just shows that enforcing a no electronic device on any table that has card readers in use has to be employed. That way there can not be any complaints about possible cheating at the table. Totally agree that based upon his play, making hero calls, massive lay downs or over shoves, something wasn't right and information was being passed somehow.

[@davez5201]

Bart, I really hope that one day you can look back on this and realise how crazy you sound. All these rumours are just pure speculation. Why is it so hard to believe that he's just a lucky fish? For you to discount that possibility shows you don't really understand variance as well as you think you do.... If anyone can provide ACTUAL EVIDENCE of Postle cheating, (HHs don't count mate, they fall under speculation), then I will retract everything that I have said. But the speculation and rumour has to stop mate. It has really lowered my respect for you, and all the other players that have involved themselves in this.

[@egobroke9469]

@@davez5201 are you high? Every publicised session has been scrutinized, he cheated, it's clear. Both Party Poker and Pokerstars use HH to determine whether a player cheated, both have refunded money to players based solely on HH's so your 'theory' there shows a naivety at best and a clear lack of understanding at worst (most likely imo). I think you probably need to study variance, it swings both ways unless you're Mike Postle.

[@davez5201]

@@egobroke9469 If it's so clear that he cheated, please provide the evidence. The only think these hands are evidence of is that Postle is a fish. I mean I'm struggling to believe that this shit is still being talked about. It's been a year lmao. Provide some evidence that he cheated and I will happily say I was wrong.

[@uofajoe99]

Totally ridiculous that people still believe this guy is innocent in anyway. Justin K is either the worst Floor ever or he was in on it. No middle ground.

[@FefeLeVrai]

There's a third option : he's trying to sweep it under the rug to protect his business from liability.

[@emdiar6588]

@@FefeLeVrai Really? Do you really consider that a possibility? There is no sweeping it under the rug when it's already world wide news.

[@emdiar6588]

The only third option (ignoring FefeLeVrai's ridiculous suggestion above) is: He is the worst Floor ever AND he was in on it. There's your middle ground.

[@totalhysteria]

I think he is extremly incompetent and a good friend of Mike, thus trusting him. But dont think he is into the scam for some reason. In his position there are just too high risks on the line for a small reward to be part of the cheating. I could definately be wrong, but think Mike had someone else helping him.

[@FefeLeVrai]

@@emdiar6588 Wow, looks like you have no idea what you're talking about here. Justin K and Stones trying to sweep the scandal under the rug when Veronica brought it up is an established fact. They made numerious statements calling her a liar and saying there was nothing wrong with what Postle did. And if you had been paying any attention to "world wide news" you'd know that the lawsuit against Postle was a complete failure, the guy is walking away scot free. So the whole thing actually HAS been swept under the rug. There will be no real world consequences. As for claims of Justin being Postle's accomplice in cheating, those aren't based on anything, evidence needed.

[@Mike_McP]

I’ve always felt that one of the most damning hands is the A2o where he runs the bluff against what just so happens to be 97cc. What you don’t see here in this edited version, is the interaction between Postle and the opponent after the opponent 3 Bets the turn, but BEFORE Postle puts in the 4 Bet. Hopefully you all can go back and find this original hand as it aired because it’s rather fascinating. When the opponent 3 Bets turn with the 97cc, Postle begins experiencing “Duper’s Delight” to such a degree that he can’t contain himself. He can’t stop smiling and laughing, in fact he can barely collect himself to put in the 4 Bet. Even if, and key word IF, you decided you were going to run an absurd, zero equity bluff here with two irrelevant cards like A2o, this is simply not how you would act/interact in this scenario. These are not the actions of a guy who is about to 4 Bet jam the turn with A2o on a QQ45 for $8k effective, they’re the actions of a guy who just found out his opponent 3 Bet this board with 9 high, and all he’s gotta do is raise again to win the pot. It’s the genuine reaction of someone who’s just realized their “master plan” worked again...it’s just sickening. Barely $650 dollars for each player that settled the lawsuit...and now we gotta listen to guys like Kuratis run his mouth all over Twitter now. Just pathetic.

[@ryantitsworth]

Insanely good post. Thank you for this, it gives me hope for the poker community

[@Mike_McP]

Grinder !! Yes, roughly 60 players in the lawsuit agreed to a settlement of around $40,000 total, which works out to somewhere around $650 a person.

[@damiangibbsentertainment]

taylor dziczek your math ain’t right dude

[@taylordziczek1744]

@@damiangibbsentertainment lol. Your right.

[@effortlessawareness8778]

I saw this hand it was an asian guy, are u sure it was a 3bet on the turn?? So action went Asian:bet Postle raised Asian: 3bet Postle goes crotch theory optimal and then laughs and does some funky shit 4bets But you have to give That asian dude alot of props because it takes guts to 3bet if he did-he was completley in tune with whats happening when making that 3bet I think after asian folded, Postle even had the gall to say to the asian dude that he was worried about Q5... But really sick play by the asian dude in that spot if it was 3bet (i thought it was just a raise) I wonder if the asian guy had 3bet jam if Postle calls with A2offsuit... Or does that look too suspicious

[@Oatriumph]

Has never bluffed into the nuts. I think that pretty much seals the deal for me.

[@bipolarminddroppings]

The 88 vs TT hand was the sealer for me. Raise, call pre. Raise call flop. Raise call turn. Makes a house on the river and doesnt go bust. His opponent has not repped anything better than 2 pair, i would have been putting him on Ace Ten and gone bust, as would every single other person in the world except maybe Phil Ivey.

[@SoFasT99]

@@bipolarminddroppings what about 96 hand vs aq or the ak with top pair top kicker. Lmao the guy couldnt be more obvious.

[@kiddd65]

Didn't you hear his interview response. He said he worked extremely hard at reading body language and he can decipher his opponent's cards and exact suits just by this with 100% accuracy. He is the best in the world I guess. He even said he will play anyone anytime at Stones Casino. The mans a freak of nature

[@CTBVong]

If he was smart, he would’ve purposely bluffed into them for a couple hands to throw anybody off his trail.

[@thetruth72667]

Look how he puts down the call on the 88 vs 1010 hand. I've never seen him put something down Iike that. It's an exaggerated motion like "you thought you were gonna get paid, nope, never, not when I'm playing haha" I'm telling you please watch how he puts those chips down to call. Also how does he fold pocket Kings before the flop? I don't care how many times I'm being raised, I've gotta see this hand.

[@dougmccuskerpoker]

There is a hand where Mike P was looking down at his phone in his lap, and he wasn’t able to read the cards, he said something to the dealer about the opponents cards where not on the reader. The dealer asked the player to place his cards on the reader and then Mike looked back down at his phone.

[@paularized1]

“Excuse me sir. Could you please put your cards on the reader so I can continue to cheat, like the steaming blob of horse semen that I am? Great, thanks.”

[@the_duke_of_gravity]

ridiculous lmao

[@switters8679]

@@paularized1 This made me laugh a lot. Thank you.

[@Killdroid96]

Damn. I don’t know if this is true or not but if it is and is on stream then someone has to find it... that would be undeniable evidence.

[@dougmccuskerpoker]

Jason I watched all of Ingram’s videos, it was in there somewhere, definitely a smoking gun in my opinion

[@Denny-rw2vj]

Out of all the mike Postel cheating scandal videos this one explains and compares similar situations where he played totally different. Thanks for this video sir!

[@blowc1612]

This is a terrible analysis because he is judging the hands and Mikes game as if he is a great player and knows how to play as good as him. This analysis makes an assumption that he knows ranges works, how EV works. You know how many played I find on the table that knows how to play as good as he is assuming Mike should play? Like less than 1% when I go to the tables. You know how many players I see that makes the same kind of plays because they are so bad? Like 80% of the players I play in live games and many of them has been playing longer than I have, especially the older ones. For the most part usually it’s young players who are the ones that plays EV and Ranges.

[@blowc1612]

I would love to play against Mike because it is to figure him out and manipulate him. He is the type of players I love to play with because he is actually predictable and I can easily make the reads on the table.

[@Manning_Family]

Yes. I needed another Postle Scandle fix.

[@mattjwatson5089]

Yup, im guilty.

[@enricopallazzo3244]

Was watching a bunch of Joe Ingram’s videos this week. Good timing, the hands never get old.

[@totalhysteria]

Admit myself addicted to this case.

[@geehadspeaks]

Can’t wait for the movie

[@LuckyLibra927]

Lol

[@yanchek111]

That JT hand is the nail in the coffin. Call with 2 back doors turn the top pair and them fold? You can only fold there if you know the cards.

[@RhymesWithCarbon]

I hadn’t seen this hand before - you got it exactly right. How do you peel there, drill top pair and fold to a half pot bet???

[@brucejsanchez]

If you got a good read. He is just the best card player ever

[@totalhysteria]

@@RhymesWithCarbon Doug Polk made a short video of this hand. Also check out JoeyIngram part 7 of the Mike Postle scandal.

[@totalhysteria]

I agree! This hand is the most suspicious one if you actually think about it. Nobody would ever fold tp on the turn, but his play turn out to make perfect sense if he actually can see the cards. Backdoor equity gives him perfect implied odds to draw against a set. His hand is just perfectly hidden if the boards come something like turn: Q, river: 8. The guy with 99 will not lose all the money if Postle makes a flush, but against a backdoor straight he will get WRECKED 100% of the time.

[@scotland369]

Nonsense. I always float with backdoors and fold when I hit disguised pairs on the turn. 😅😅

[@eman43591]

He’s definitely guilty I’ve played poker everyday for 10 years millions of hands and I’ve never seen anything this absurd

[@Matt-uz8tk]

Next time you look in the mirror ask youself "am i the dummy" Others know but its important to be self aware

[@ww2079]

@Jay D how low is jays intelligence?

[@ww2079]

@Jay D but lots of proof you don't play poker

[@ww2079]

@Jay D maybe you'll understand one day when you're older

[@frogblues]

@Jay D - You either have zero clue about poker or you're Mike Postle or his sycophant.

[@bungerbrad]

Good work, Stones need to be held accountable for this. Denying any cheating is outrageous and may indicate they are complicit.

[@peterandersen6050]

Agree

[@willatwood]

Not necessarily! I mean, if you owned a casino and held live poker tournaments, would you want to ruin your name by stating their was a hunch of cheating? If they agreed that their was cheating, then you can easily assume that everyone will believe they were in on it and only brought it out when Mike caught a lot of attention and lawsuits. Why didn't they stop it if they knew it was happening. It can easily go both ways, so it damned if you and damned if you don't.

[@frankstanton6972]

Who is stones, and how was he involved?

[@Argumemnon]

@@frankstanton6972 Stones is the venue where this is happening­. Postle must have someone on the inside to feed him information through his phone, and in some instances the comments from the commentators seem to indicate that they know what's going on.

[@Alexis-bb3fk]

As you mentioned numerous times Bart, its obvious to anyone that understands poker that these plays dont make sense. The JT vs 99 hand was especially egregious, in fact all the hands that you highlighted were. Great job as always analyzing and presenting the hands. Really enjoying your content, and your understanding of the game is top notch.

[@burkhartlaw1]

Yeah man, I love watching Bart's videos. He's made me a much better player just by going over people's hands.

[@Alexis-bb3fk]

@@brandon0981 There is a big difference between knowing what your opponent has, and not playing like others. If you watch Bart’s breakdown of specific hands, he describes why it appears as though Mike knows his opponent’s hand (often with very limited information, and sometimes contrary to the information presented by his opponents). Keep in mind, that Mike made these plays over multiple sessions and not 1 session. Would I be correct to assume that you dont have much poker experience? I think its alot easier for someone that has an in-depth understanding of the game to conclude that Mike was cheating.

[@grobocop2213]

The 9 6 hand is just concrete proof for me. He's actually laughing in the guys face!! Every other poker player making that sort of move sits there stone faced praying for the fold!

[@gregbertofro]

you’re right!

[@fozzybear19]

Gro Bocop 100% correct.

[@JT-yl9yt]

I thought the nut flush with Ace kicker simply calling because the guy had a straight flush was pretty ridiculous there is absolutely no way someone simply calls with that type of hand no way you can expect the other guy to have the 2 cards that finish the straight flush in any way or form that is just mind blowing.

[@jonphanspromotions]

Bart is spot on. This guy should be banned from Poker.

[@effortlessawareness8778]

I wonder if he is still playing live? I mean everyone who plays poker wouldvknow his face. doubt live but probably playing online no doubt. I wonder if he is officially banned from stones

[@Ozzarus]

He should be in jail

[@effortlessawareness8778]

Bruce Piston Can’t say I disagree

[@michaelbyrne5469]

A casino is not going to ban him on no crime committed , because of a bunch of butt hurt poker players who absolutely blew the chance of catching this guy cheating. Try to come after him , but make sure you dont own a house or car , because it might end up being his.

[@jonphanspromotions]

Michael Byrne correct me if I am wrong but casinos have their own rules and can ban anyone they like. Even though they didn’t catch him but he sure did know how to lay down the hand and loss minimum. I will not play with him in the same table. Problem solved

[@CancelIFR]

Biggest outlier is his river aggression stats. He almost never called, aside from the AQdd hand, which I suspect was because he knew it was too obvious. He almost always folded or raised, which is consistent with someone having access to the hole cards.

[@JonasGrumby71]

You are so right. By bluffing a lot he gets to disguise the knowledge of the individual hands. He just looks like he got away with a lot of good bluffs. But there is no way he could never get caught bluffing into a strong hands with that high of a bluff rate. This is the strongest argument I have heard yet.

[@burkhartlaw1]

I totally agree with this. You might have a session or two getting away with every bluff but not 9 months straight never bluffing into a good hand.

[@jamesbell1613]

He got way too greedy doing this.

[@kevinbluzard2894]

This is the first video of yours I ever watched. You are the man. Great work. I love how you explain how 66 wouldn't take the line with the 96o vs 89hh on K64AA. I'll be binge watching your vidoes.

[@mercurius_5962]

Belugawhale said once that "style" is an adaptation to imperfect information, and that with perfect information there would be no such thing as an "aggressive style" where you bet and are occasionally wrong or "passive style" where you fold and occasionally get bluffed, because you would know when to do either. Postle is the most obvious case of playing with an "unpredictable" (read: non-existent) style because he has perfect information.

[@MightyJabroni]

Well said! And yet still, one year later, there are guys, who defend him. It defies each and any logic.

[@artkirakosyan2633]

The only play that could beat this strategy is Armenian mike’s strategy, where you can pull the chips back at any point and say it was a joke.

[@samhansen6320]

The smoking gun, imho, is the PLO hand when the scanner was still set to hold um. On his own accord Mike makes more than one attempt to scan his own hole cards. There's absolutely no reason to scan it more than once and no way he would have known the scanner was working improperly without real time access

[@MrRasnowman]

Yup

[@fmcdomer]

He also looks up into the camera and gives off the body language of “where are the cards at boys?”

[@blankontheriver2047]

thanks for protecting the game and calling out this miserable thief, poker unfortunately has, thieves among us.

[@wildestcowboy2668]

All of you clowns cheat punk!

[@davidmiller4354]

The j7 hand was literally the hand before the 99vs j10 against me. Very obvious the difference especially since he just observed I was willing to look him up one hand prior

[@burkhartlaw1]

Did you think something was off at the time? It must have been very frustrating playing against Postle

[@lewismilesbarber1]

The AQdd hand vs T8dd is just the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. Especially when you point out the stack sizes at the end. I just can't believe it.

[@AndreasFroehliPoker]

yeah makes my top5 as well ...

[@EetuKorh]

I think the 88 vs TT hand is more ridiculous. I can actually see myself just calling with the AQ there against some people.

[@modestomouso1234]

TrollJokuMaster there’s just no way. You’re only gonna check/call the nut flush on the river on a board that isn’t even scary? I just don’t see how pretty much anyone would turn the nut flush into a x/c without knowing villain held a straight flush.

[@rudistorm3348]

Yes if your Postle (a known bluffer) you are leading out on the river. Check calling makes no sense.

[@lewismilesbarber1]

@@rudistorm3348 he only bluffs when he knows he can't check-call because it would be obvious he could see his opponent's cards if he x/c with queen high against ten high :D

[@iamamish]

The only justice to come from all of this is that nobody is ever going to give Postle action again. He made roughly 250k (IIRC) over the time he was cheating, and he'll never make money from live poker ever again. What a loser.

[@jowrjowr]

you kidding me? did you see all those heads up challenges he got? that being said i wonder if he still plays at stones.

[@iamamish]

@@jowrjowr sure, great players would love some revenge, in a controlled environment. But how do you know when the environment is sufficiently controlled? If I wandered into a casino and saw Postle at the table, I would not play.

[@kevincloonan9787]

watch how Mike puts his chips in on the 2 "just call" hands where he had nut flush vs straight flush 14:53 and the boat vs boat 18:05. He slams the chips in and looks at the guy in the exact manner !! His body language and facial expression is like go ahead show me the nuts

[@TheEricJust]

right he knows he has to call to not look suspicious and meekly puts in the call chips already knowing he lost with a fking boat loolll

[@purplepill2024]

12:11 - Amazing that Postle would wait until the river to bluff having a flush, but refused to do the same in the final hand with Marle that led Veronica Brill to whistle-blow.

[@lj123subotic8]

Great in detail analysis Bart. Thanks Also I would never play at Stones till they make everyone right + interest for pain and suffering and till they fire Justin not for cheating but for negligence. All of this happened under his watch.

[@CrushlivePoker]

The AA vs K2dd hands and also the Jh 7s hand are new and are particularly egregious. For those of you that wonder why I didn't include the 89ss vs 86 graphics change debacle I wrote an explanation on that hand here: forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=56280336&postcount=11335

[@mikepengangster]

Besides looking at hands is there any other proof that he was cheating?

[@Jamesbass74]

Mike Pengangster well we are aware of one situation where Mikes cards weren’t being read by the RFID, so he asked the player next to him to call the floor to get it fixed. Seems weird he would know there is an RFID error considering even if he was watching it’s a 30 minute delay. We also have the fact that he was spotted with some sort of blue screen app on his phone, very similar to the RFID master device which Matt Berkey showed his to confirm it’s the same screen. Larger hat when playing then when in interview The fact that there are 3 total people coming to his defence, one of them being the very sketchy “Rounderlife” for which he is affiliated and wore merchandise for in the games. JFK also citied this as a “reliable” source compared to ESPN and the like. The fact JFK is completely clueless regarding poker, yet KNOWS that Postle is 100% innocent even after hundreds of high/world class players have given him reasons why this is not the case. Given the content, Mike is supposed to be one of the best players in the world. Yet we only see him play 1/3 on a live stream for some unknown casino to most of us. Why is he not grinding higher stakes or literally anywhere else? These are just a few points that stood out to me, by no means is it exhaustive. They probably would have gotten away with it but the fact JFK is doing victory laps on Twitter really makes me and others want to persue looking further into this.

[@joshhoodrat451]

Exactly ! What we are seeing is circumstantial evidence by definition .

[@Jamesbass74]

Josh Hoodrat it’s tough because anyone who is at least somewhat competent at poker can clearly tell he is cheating over a large enough sample size, there is no question over that. Proving it in a courtroom however is a completely different story

[@rodb.5801]

Did Mike ever fold the winning hand to a bet on the river? Did anyone ever successfully bluff him, it’s crazy!

[@lj123subotic8]

Also at 35:40 . Look how happy , excited and relaxed he is when he goes all in for 2.4k. Nobody is so relaxed and laughing it up when they go all in with nothing unless they know they have best hand.

[@vladbcom]

That's just suck a slam dunk proof right there... one of 100000000000000000000000M points

[@lj123subotic8]

@@vladbcom yeah Bart explained it great . Each hand is a slam dank proof . Haha Another one is when he confidently calls a guy on river with an 8-4 just a top pair for like 2k+ shove and he points a finger at him as he puts chips in the pot . Like he is 100% certain he is good. Nobody bluff catches and is so confident with bad hand when everything has gotten there. We all hope we are right some percentage of time but not Postle. He just knows .

[@kidd32888]

He just threw away KK so nonchalantly. Even a incredible hero fold will have to think hard even doing that. he knew that guy had pocket rocket

[@G0DofRock]

Ive only folded KK and AA like once or twice...so crazy how he does it pre.

[@whoimia5208]

@@G0DofRock Right, you are not folding KK pre, unless you are dropping chips to another player or you know 100% your opponent has AA. Either way your cheating🤷‍♂️.

[@mrhumble2937]

@@whoimia5208 or maybe on the bubble in a tourney against 5 all ins lol

[@JS-tm1gq]

I've played over 20 years, been a member of every single training site since card runners, read every poker book, been backed and coached by a bracelet winner and even i take like 4 minutes with JJ pre cursing to god that I have to fold a premium starter

[@becausehimbad]

I think that this is my favourite poker content video of all time - I’ve watched it so many times, because it’s not just an expose on MP’s blatant cheating, it’s also a really good source of technical info. That first AQ “just call” hand is just mind blowing. Novice or pro, you are BLASTING that hand - no two ways about it. Such a shameful cheat.

[@burkhartlaw1]

To me, that's one of the worst hands. Nut flushes don't "just call."

[@BoleDaPole]

Postle is a poker GOD and the players ran him out the community

[@becausehimbad]

@@BoleDaPole you watched the video, right?

[@mukthenuts]

Bart, fantastic job here. Any chance of doing a similar breakdown of the few sessions where Justin was out of town and Mike played like a typical low stakes reg? It’s a lot to ask but would be interesting to show the difference in play for some people who haven’t seen those sessions.

[@nathanvasquez5030]

Keep up the great content! Way to present the story and information in a precise way

[@tonyson587]

Houston Astros: they know what's coming Mike Postle: he knows what's already there

[@imalilt]

I've never seen such a huge scandal with such a simple fix: phones are not allowed on RFID tables. Period. If you need to use your phone while playing poker, you can't play at RFID tables. If they don't enact this rule, NO ONE should play with this guy at RFID tables.

[@georgeladopoulos1941]

Well played the Ak

[@georgeladopoulos1941]

AA the BOARD Q8233 he should have fold the aces-he paid

[@georgeladopoulos1941]

Nice bluffs the guy got balls

[@georgeladopoulos1941]

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[@gwat34]

@@georgeladopoulos1941 he literally can't fold aces there. If he checks the turned 3, which isn't a scare card at all, then simply folds the river 3, it's blatently odvious he can see the cards.

[@BigBundy82]

I love your content… The way you break down the betting process . .. everything! Keep up the hard work

[@tipsy09]

The problem for poker is that the general public and even the geniuses in the court system are absolutely fish when it comes to poker. So they dont have a clue about anything. Which means proving he was cheating without hard evidence is impossible.

[@brianbuechler5676]

100% spot on

[@Gos1234567]

True,no point saying "he would never check a flush here on a paired board because there is no indication his opponent has a house as he didnt raise the flop" I mean that would be swahili to most people. A jury will just think "if the guy was making such obviously crazy plays that had to be the result of cheating how did no-one notice for so long,even when this was recorded?" to be honest im shocked these guys never noticed either

[@Gos1234567]

@ToldYouSo o yea I agree he was cheating 100% but try explaining to a jury .Even staring at the crotch thing can be explaining by saying he was just watching the live feed on his phone.

[@michaelbyrne5469]

EXACTLY !!!!!!!!

[@michaelbyrne5469]

@@Gos1234567 Doesn't work like that , there wont be a jury. Will be decided by a judge at least the ones i was involved in were.

[@insaneprophet8081]

There is no way that I could play "stones". You will never know who is cheating.

[@vinkuu]

Hand starting at 45:56; I would absolutely have folded my AA by the time of the river. The opponent was BB, who got a cheap path to see the river. EDIT: double paired, three diamonds and 7&8 for a straight. I'd nope the fuck out of this hand with AA.

[@TimothyChang]

Can we please get a judge that plays poker to be in charge of this case? The evidence for cheating in these hands are obvious to even a recreational poker player... The future of live poker, livestream, and poker in general are somewhat on the line here. How is Stones still an operating gambling establishment? The amount of hoops we had to jump through and education/forecasting/preemptive problem-solving we had to provide to the gaming board (external control) and WGLV's legal/compliance/security departments (internal controls) to get Trooper Thursday and MUGs approved originally were very significant. Postle and his help from Stone's inside really put a major damper in the growth of livestream poker and hosted games.

[@michaelbyrne5469]

Poker judge , what does that mean still no proof have to have video from a PTZ , that's it without that there is nothing. Did he cheat looks like it , but zero proof . Too many rookies talking about hands because they are poker players . Not surveillance employees, terrible job from the casino , what was needed was these pro players to ask to speak to casino management about their concerns. The casino more than likely would have acted , or called in someone like me. This would have so easy to catch, but to babble on about hands , give me a break.

[@TimothyChang]

You may be right...there doesn't seem to be a smoking gun without the interpretation of hands. I am not a criminal lawyer, but in cases when the murder weapons aren't recovered or when there is no video evidence of rapists putting their physical body into victims' orifices, it doesn't mean we can't prosecute, correct? I believe we still use timeline, logics, witnesses, and experts to recreate a "provable" story, do we not? You are most likely right; perhaps they should've called you. I am interested to learn regarding your expertise and what you would've done to easily catch the culprit(s). Set up another game, surveil, and at the right time surprise him and grab whatever he had down at his crotch? I am not being facetious. I am truly intrigued on what would have been a better plan of actions? Thank you.

[@Gos1234567]

@@michaelbyrne5469 Yep this is basically like some guy gets lucky at roulette,wins a lot and is then accused of cheating and no-one has proof other than he looked at his phone a lot(which is allowed) and got lucky.Even harder to prove cheating at poker because Postle can counter argue all these hands with "i had a tell,i knew he was string,knew he was weak etc" .Impossible to prove

[@kfang864]

@@michaelbyrne5469 There is a clear reason why they didn't go to the authorities. They wanted to pressure Stones into paying $$$ and that didn't work. Their atty admits this by saying and I paraphrase "Joey was instrumental to getting out the public and putting pressure on Stones". What they didn't bet on was Stones saying FU, we will see you in court. We didn't do anything wrong. No one ask every asked Veronica why she didn't go to the authority.....for as many interviews as she's been on....this is such a travesty.

[@michaelmee9246]

@@michaelbyrne5469 I've seen people convicted of murder with less evidence than this.

[@patocall8146]

For him to fold the Ace high flush to the straight flush. Mathematically that hand is about 1 in a million+ and to fold it!? Great stuff rounding up all these hands and editing them.

[@Gos1234567]

didnt fold he called

[@bobbyshnobby9425]

Sir you are as amazing as postle is disgusting and he’s pretty disgusting. Thanks for your contribution and passion to the world of Poker, always a pleasure to watch! ✌️

[@bjackson2718]

Thanks for this vid Bart. Excellent compilation & commentary.

[@SeanBenson23]

I loved your monologue at the end, Bart. You have me convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Mike Postle is cheating.

[@jaker1160]

3:20 - did that dude just look at Postle’s phone?

[@nonenonerson7130]

He looks like he’s suspicious of Postle for sure. It seems like the whole reason dude stood there for a bit was to try and find an opportunity to see what was going on with Postle’s lap.

[@bigtexnick2188]

great eye..... ya he looked over in his lap like "watcha got there buddy?"

[@gjchawks17]

After the story released today about Stones basically getting away with it to only 40k settlement in total and nothing happening (nor will happen) to Postle, this video is just depressing. Like the poker community knows Postle knew the cards in some fashion but it doesn't matter in the end. He and Stones came out on top minus a small hit to reputation because there are no laws in place to protect players from this nor can an average judge/jury understand higher levels of mathematics.

[@briantessitore8086]

The only protection now is that he will never be invited to a live stream game ever again. Let's follow his results. He claims to be a pro player so I can only assume he needs to get back out there and earn a living.

[@markadams5096]

Is it my imagination or, on the first hand shown, where Postle makes the call, where the guy on his right comes back to his chair and immediately looks over into Mike's crotch, was he looking to see where Mike's phone was or something else? Looks to me like he had a suspicion about what was going on.

[@WhiteSharkconcac]

Nah I think that guy is gay and he's just checking out Mike's crotch.

[@jimsty7550]

I really believe the people who are still "defending" this crook are only doing so because their entire life is filled with them constantly playing devil's advocate. Always trying to argue against the majority belief, no matter what it is, merely because it makes them feel special. In other words, if Mike Postle was accused of cheating and most people believed he was innocent, these same idiots would argue against the common belief of his Innocence and judge him as guilty. It's a very disingenuous way of thinking, but that's really how some people are...and nearly all of Postle's defenders are this way.

[@MightyJabroni]

Yip, the 24/7 conspiracy weirdos and knee-jerk contrarians. Anybody, who has any sense, just flat out knows that gameplay like Postle's would never emerge with such consistency if nothing was off-kilter. Dude basically turned into the biggest bluffer or the biggest nit at the most opportunistic times. And that just doesn't happen. Nobody would ever play THAT erratic and magically get it right all the time. Especially not in scenarios, where the community cards looked favorable. But the scare cards do change, once somebody has full knowledge of what he is up against. And that easily is the biggest red flag. Postle always knew his scare cards, regardless of how unassuming they would be without any knowledge about the cards of the opponents.

[@poppabakes]

This is literally making me feel sick

[@miami-dadetransparency5253]

He could’ve kept this going on forever had he not been so greedy.

[@johnnytwotimes7854]

Seriously lol, all he had to do is have a reasonable win rate or even slightly unreasonable. And obviously not make ridiculously out of line but correct decisions constantly.

[@Mansini77]

“You can have the hammer or the money, you can’t have both”

[@stephenh5944]

@@Mansini77 "You can either have the money and the hammer or you can walk out of here. You can't have both."

[@oaomcg]

The worst hand is the PLO hand that is being read and a Hold 'Em hand so only 2 of 4 cards is being shown. Then he desperately starts rubbing his cards over the reader in the table trying to get it to register properly.

[@DSW_314]

HERE'S THE SMOKING GUN. 💨 kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2fcfYFpZ7GjfbM At 3:01 Mike Postle informs the player to his left that his cards didn't show up on the RFID scanner, and asks him to put his cards on the scanner again, BEFORE the Dealer says anything. How the hell would he know that? Why the hell would he care? This example clearly demonstrates that Postle has real-time access to the card data, and also proves that the Dealer is complicit and incompetent. A comment like that would've set off plenty of alarms at any legit casino or professional poker tournament.

[@nuknuk420]

Yes thank you bart. Great video. Best postle video out there.

[@williamwallace3848]

Whats really telling is that Mike knows he has to at least call off with the 88s underfull against 10-10 since his hand is televised. But if you look, when he makes the call, he already reacts that he has lost the hand before he finishes putting the chips in.

[@michaelbyrne5469]

Does not matter , proves nothing.

[@JasonHamilton00]

@@michaelbyrne5469 no actual "proof" but postle WAS cheating 100%

[@michaelbyrne5469]

@@JasonHamilton00 Sure sounds like it.

[@nolanforcier1796]

Bart, you're definitely my man crush. No homo.LoL!! I'm sure we'd be best friends. I love all that you do, all the content you produce, and your entire perspective that you have shown your viewers. I will always keep following, liking, and supporting anything and everything you do. You have made me such a better poker player. I'm someone who has minimal hobbies at best, and to be taught how to be successful at something I truly love and enjoy every second of doing, I feel is an absolute blessing. Cheers to you my dude, Bart Hanson. Please dont ever stop teaching. Because I never ever want to stop learning. And just to.bring this message home, #fuckpostle!!!! #crushlive4life!!!!

[@kellyallen8528]

The JcTx fold to the set of 9s is some absolutely amazing poker instincts. Top notch stuff. This Mike guy is one of the best players to learn from. Correct laydowns and correct call downs. Talent like this is rare so its a pleasure to be able to see a literal poker genius in his prime. Id try to sign him if I were PokerStars or PartyPoker. Id love to hear thought process.

[@RichardRennes]

Well, during this "amazing run", he DID sit at the commentators chair, and when asked what his though process was on a certain hand, he ended up mumbling something like "I don`t know what I was thinking, I was drunk and though he was not very strong"

[@kfang864]

It really wasn't that great. The problem with live poker is that as an observer, you know nothing about the history of those players and whether the other player has any kind of rep. The gentleman who had the set of 9's is Robert Young, the tightest player in Sacramento, and in my 8 years of poker playing about 400 hours per yer (Sacramento, LA, Vegas, and Bay Area), Robert Young is the tightest player I've ever played with. He was one of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit and is a very nice young man but his image is exactly that. I can tell you that if Postle turned an open ended that he would have called and then if he hits on the river, he's stack Robert. But that's the normal war in poker LAG vs TAG. Everyone knows Postle is a LAG and everyone agrees LAGs win way more than TAGs. I realize you're being somewhat sarcastic but all our comments mean nothing as everyone know poker is completely "situational."

[@gutzzgutzz6795]

@@kfang864 Ignorance is bliss..dude would have many bracelets if he was rly this good period. Stop defending cheaters it shows volumes of your character.

[@michaelryan3158]

@@kfang864 stfu doggman

[@kfang864]

Michael Ryan you seem like someone who can have very engaging discussions with others.

[@Mistermonk777]

if Postle had any semblance of brain function, he would've intentionally played some hands "normally" (bluffing into the nuts etc.) so he could have deniability. One of the reasons his cheating is so obvious is because he makes no mistakes.

[@groundup001]

I think he got greedy. You’re absolutely right. If he could be ok with booking a few hundred or thousand dollar wins everyday, he could do this forever. Moron did it where everyone could see the cards

[@iamamish]

I think it is human nature. Once he had been at it for a while, it would have to oh-so tempting to pick up those extra piles of cash, rather than deliberately bluffing into the nuts occasionally.

[@groundup001]

@Sheerluck Holmes it’s difficult for ethical people to put themselves in the shoes of a cheater or thief. It’s near impossible for anyone to see the world from another persons POV mind you. That being said I’m not really sure you can expect that a cheater would think they have a limited window to cheat. Sure a thief or robber does have a limited amount of time for a heist. But in this instance, he could’ve done it virtually forever if you set rules in place- who knows, win/loss ratio, etc

[@yeeluvspizza]

I'm watching this without any sound. Postle looks extremely smug and very confident.

[@The20thHijacker]

He's got a "duper's delight" smile throughout. Except in that one hand when he gets rivered and knows it. Because he sees the cards.

[@traviscoates6878]

Who was helping Postle on the "inside"? Someone had to be helping him with the RFID card reader info

[@DSW_314]

HERE'S THE SMOKING GUN. 💨 kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2fcfYFpZ7GjfbM At 3:01 Mike Postle informs the player to his left that his cards didn't show up on the RFID scanner, and asks him to put his cards on the scanner again, BEFORE the Dealer says anything. How the hell would he know that? Why the hell would he care? This example clearly demonstrates that Postle has real-time access to the card data, and also proves that the Dealer is complicit and incompetent. A comment like that would've set off plenty of alarms at any legit casino or professional poker tournament.

[@tejeda7324]

think I Figured this out here is the Method of Cheating. 1: He has a Bone conductor under the thick fluffy cap 2: every time he stares into his crotch, is not to read anything or see anything, its to use FACE recognition to unlock the phone 3: at this point someone is sending via text, what to do in hands, fold, raise, call ect. 4: he takes a moment acting while the Bone conductor transfers the text into voice to his head. Profit! think about it. whenever he stares into his crotch its for like 1-2 seconds that's not enough time to read 5 hands and know what to do afterwards the time he looks into his crotch is to Face recognition unlock the phone when someone is sending him texts on what to do.

[@WoodblockPrintsStephane1]

I totally agree with your videos. When you see all these hands, the way Mike played is 100 % consistent with knowing the hands of his opponents. Even his actual reactions when he sees a card that beats him, but that he normal game play, should not be affecting the game, unless of course you know the hand of your opponents. Also, even at Stones, phone use is not allowed during a live hand, if you are actively playing. Why was he allowed to use his phone during an active hand ?

[@bromeliad6115]

Great work Bart! Thank you. I wish this could be a regular series.

[@d_ruggs]

im glad its not. if it was thatd mean way to many high stakes players are cheating

[@rodb.5801]

Great job and of course you are 100% correct. It's insulting that a gaming professional would suggest that Mike was not cheating and seeing the cards. I am surprised that it was allowed to go on for as long as it did as the evidence was so overwhelming and on video. I agree that 100/100 of poker professionals would agree Mike was seeing the cards. He NEVER BLUFFED INTO A STRONG RANGE, and I don't remember ever seeing him hero call incorrectly. Which brings us another point. He was so greedy and dumb that he ensured that he would eventually get caught. This really reflects poorly on everyone involved with the streams.

[@mattstone9364]

Rod B. That makes me worry too, because if even a decent, break even 5,10 reg were to cheat, he could get away with it forever because he would know to just get it in when he’s on the losing end of coolers.

[@totalhysteria]

Yes! Most sad part about this is he actually only got caught because he was such a bad and reckless cheater. Probably because he was too gready or just desperate. Imagine what one could get away with if you actually knew how to cheat well.

[@reginageorge7934]

The breakdown analysis and thought process is spot on. You don't have to play poker to know he can see their cards.

[@Princiepoker]

I still watch this till this day The QQ hand where he bluffed him off of QQ is one of the most proving hands to show he's cheating in my pro opinion and I'm a pro poker player for over 12 years You would never jam that river because you would never be able to put him on exactly QQ as well when you are holding QQ and the way that it was played the other guy played his QQ very soft so to turn your QQ into a bluff would make no sense whatsoever under any circumstance especially that circumstance unless you knew for a fact he had the exact same hand and you wanted him to fold off a chop

[@CrushlivePoker]

How about the AT hand.. I mean I think that one is even more damning of the “same hand” variety.

[@Princiepoker]

I agree I mean I just don't understand how there's anybody in the world that could possibly say this guy is not cheating He never made one wrong decision ever except for a few fake ones for like $40 just to save face He was literally doing things you would only do specifically if you knew the cards, he would check call with nothing twice to wait till they missed to then bluff the river in spots where you would never even be in the hand let alone play it the way he did and every single time he would buff the river because he saw his opponents missed it's crazy that anybody thinks this guy is innocent​@@CrushlivePoker

[@Princiepoker]

Thanks for the like by the way always been a big fan and also don't forget his connections with the casino before it started He was one of the ones that tried to start a show like this or a stream So it's just beyond obvious that he's in on it with the show and they're trying to hide it

[@Princiepoker]

​@@CrushlivePokerI agree the Ace 10 hand was absolutely face up as well and also the fact that he bluffs every single time check calling down to the river just to wait till his opponents mess with nothing and then jams is so damning there's no one in the world that does that and if you did do that once in a while you would run into someone actually having a hand And he never does they always miss and he waits till they miss That's the part that shows he's cheating He doesn't bluff and then get lucky that they miss He waits till they miss and then bluffs

[@Princiepoker]

​@@CrushlivePokerThanks for the like by the way always been a big fan and also don't forget his connections with the casino before it started He was one of the ones that tried to start a show like this or a stream So it's just beyond obvious that he's in on it with the show and they're trying to hide it

[@paulpena5040]

What's hilarious is the same people who are saying the Robbi J 4 o hand was legit claim that Postle is cheating where almost all of his hands have SOME reasonable explanation unlike the J 4 hand.

[@carsonshidel5012]

This guy is more guilty than Casey Anthony

[@24marcg24]

Bart great work here you're really well suited for this ! well spoken and easy understand.

[@ImAllInNow]

Worth noting that there ARE hands where he loses a lot and bluffs into strong hands, but those occurred during streams where he had his phone on the rail instead of in his lap.

[@pauljconroysr4080]

I HAVE FOLDED HANDS LIKE HE HAD WITH THE ACE PAIR 48:25

[@kennyvoller5419]

If this guy beat me in a big pot and cheated I would be open hand slapping him everytime I saw him.

[@Wezzalicious]

Excellent video, great summarization.

[@StarkVandalez]

The idea that anyone would say "well if he can see the cards, why wouldnt he fold' well because his stack size is huge he is paying people with their own money. He's up soo much already. he never has a losing session, so anyone with half a brain who is cheating on a televised event would likely think.... i should pay this off to try and not look too suspicious. But greed gets the best of people which is how he can check/call with 8's full or nut flush.. which is literally just nuts.

[@Gos1234567]

yea you cant make it too obvious,have to call with worse some of the time,the KK fold pre is crazy,if i was another player and saw that id be very suspicious.Funny that Veronica was the only one though,were the players at that table that fck stupid?Did they ever go back and watch the livestream after?

[@braidenreid5196]

The call with the nut flush is absolutely absurd it makes literally no sense, theres no world you ever just call that unless you 100% know what they have

[@henriquezuiani4235]

Guys, did you see that Mike postle recently suied multiple people for false accusations? He is still trying to prove that he is inoscent, how is that even possible?

[@andrewhunter8054]

Hope the case gets to discovery and they request data transfer information on his phone during the times of games.

[@DevilBoyVex]

@@andrewhunter8054 There was a complete investigation, it failed to turn up any forensic evidence of cheating.

[@Catadafish]

This is the problem with chips in the cards. Always going to wonder if any of the players know the cards. I personally wouldn't put money in a game where anyone other than me knows my cards before I show. I know it's good for the game and for tv but in reality it is the games downfall.

[@AndreasFroehliPoker]

The 94o is actually one of the most ridiculous ones

[@MedicalMalpracticeLawyerRMarti]

The california judge dismissed the players’ lawsuit against postle because california law does not recognize gambling losses.

[@santaclause3487]

Crazy this went on for so long, and televised. What a bunch of goons. U could tell he was cheating after a session.

[@nedcassley5169]

This is interesting and very well explained. Thanks for making and sharing it.

[@JP-fe9ws]

Bart...in all fairness Stones coming out to say there was no cheating involved is to protect them against future liabilities. We should all know how the business world function when it comes to potential liabilities

[@jonathanschill8075]

Great job Bart! Thank you for doing this.

[@415bayshark]

The thumbs down are Postle and jfk lol

[@jamesnite2157]

Damn right

[@DSW_314]

HERE'S THE SMOKING GUN. 💨 kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2fcfYFpZ7GjfbM At 3:01 Mike Postle informs the player to his left that his cards didn't show up on the RFID scanner, and asks him to put his cards on the scanner again, BEFORE the Dealer says anything. How the hell would he know that? Why the hell would he care? This example clearly demonstrates that Postle has real-time access to the card data, and also proves that the Dealer is complicit and incompetent. A comment like that would've set off plenty of alarms at any legit casino or professional poker tournament.

[@paulthompson8642]

I definitely value your opinion on this thank you

[@mpkid1]

Solid summary and a conclusion that was very well put

[@tangobayus]

Analyzing the hands means nothing. Him looking at his phone means everything.

[@climbhigh7773]

Great video bart! So well done. In the "municipal game", when they "caught a hanger sarge", worm and mikey took a beatin'.

[@joee5081]

So who are the ones that keep playing with Mike Postle if they know he is cheating or even suspect he is cheating? If no one plays poker with him at the table his poker days are over.

[@NoodlesTBograt]

People still play with all the players from the Fulltilt scam

[@sdickinson5234]

The judge ruled that Mile Postle and Stones Casino did nothing wrong by cheating their customers and cheating at cards is legal in California.

[@415bayshark]

This fkn guy blasts off in every pot he has the same hand as the other guy.

[@gnanajiva1416]

He’s so obviously cheating it’s ridiculous that the poker players keep sitting with him. Why doesn’t someone flat out grab his hand in his lap and expose him. It makes everyone look so lame. You just keep showing evidence but to afraid to confront him in action.

[@luckyman9903]

Can’t ever forget, “Mike The Crotch Postle”. Ah imagining throwing away your existence and being known as a cheater.

[@OFFTheDeckGOLF]

great job Bart!! Quality production and great evidence!! Stone's Poker Staff needs to be replaced. If you can't figure out who was involved then they need to start over.

[@mattstone9364]

What’s scary is mike could’ve gotten away with it but he was a terrible cheater. I mean he does such basic obvious things. It’s insane to me he wouldn’t get his stack in on the river with his losing coolers since he was still guaranteed to make his money back before the night was over

[@ilovebrandnewcarpets]

100% agree. Not enough people mention that. He could have cheated forever if he wasn’t so terrible at it, and trying to win every hand/minimize coolers. Cheaters never win

[@totalhysteria]

Some people say he was just dumb and gready. I just think he was desperate. But there are certainly players out there cheating that just haven't been exposed yet, if they know how to cheat properly.

[@c.s.mcleod7383]

How is Stones Casino still open? How is Postle still allowed to play?

[@mjriemen]

Shoulda included the Taylor hero with JJ just to show how sick Taylor Carrol is.

[@burkhartlaw1]

I love that hand so much.

[@jonathancrocker366]

EDIT: btw... this is one of the best Postle breakdown video's I've seen. Excellent job! I'm 99.9% confident that Mike is not on the "up and up" Everyone knows he's cheating but no one calls him out at the table? If you know Postle is cheating and continue to play with him.... well.... Eventually, you've gotta toss eticasy and call him out.

[@jungler3642]

Oh the cheating, there is 0 doubt he cheated

[@Princiepoker]

How do people not know that this guy was cheating He literally yes made like one mistake or two out of 9 million chances and he did it on purpose because you can't just be checked folding what's essentially the nuts on a live stream and not get caught

[@Mase1up]

What's really incredible to me, or scary, is in this case with Postle or before with POTRIPPER, all they needed to do was study a little and play basically normal. You have a boat vs boat? Get stacked! If he wasn't so blatant he could go on crushing, and maybe someone out there is.

[@consumer61]

'and maybe someone out there is'. indeed

[@Michael-hr5wf]

I know this is really old like 8 months, but at 3:22 what is the guy on the right of Postle looking at/ It's like he is looking at Postle's lap, that's weird.