Refuting CATHOLIC Authority

Refuting foundational claims to Catholic authority. Why you DON'T need to believe what the Vatican says.
If we reject the authority claims of the Roman Catholic Church than we no longer have any reason to embrace their unbiblical teachings on things like purgatory, the papacy, the priesthood, indulgences, the insufficiency of grace, the Apocrypha and the bodily assumption of Mary.

[@ecrypto1729]

As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, "Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!" But he said, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!" Luke 11:27‭-‬28 ESV

[@ald67]

Eric Devries, Mary is greatest for believing and doing the will of God. Luke 1:45. " For , behold, from henceforth ALL generations shall call me bless." Luke 1: 48

[@rascal211]

Honor thy mother and father.

[@walterromanoff2953]

@@veritasmuy2407 If you think Mary Fatima and Guadeloupe are goddesses and you are praying the rosary you are involved in paganism You are worshiping the god of this world Satan who is worshiped at the Vatican and led by the Pope who is the Antichrist Catholic Church full of sick child molesting priests and a church that provides them cover keeping them out of jail Google Catholic priests molesting children and wake up

[@danielespitia1776]

@@walterromanoff2953 I think he stands on the opposite side and telling these people exactly what you are telling him, just in a more scriptural manner.

[@rascal211]

@@veritasmuy2407 Stop making crap up.

[@starlight-xt7po]

I grew up Catholic , went to church every Sunday and classes on Wednesday for years and I understood nothing. After all the years of being involved with the church I didn't have a clue about how to have a relationship with Jesus. I know all the stories in the bible but not how to be saved. Being saved by" your works" is exactly how I was raised, so I didn't understand why Jesus was crucified. The crucifixion and resurrection didn't mean very much to me when I still had to save myself. So much ceremony and ritual goes on with just a simple Sunday mass but no real communication and teaching. Also the saints and the virgin Mary were prayed to almost equally as Jesus, like I said I didn't understand anything. I felt so much judgment through the church it was a place that filled me with guilt, there was no joy. In the last few years I have left the church, read the bible and started listening to pastors who actually speak to educated. I think I finally understand why people say the " good news"! Once I got out of the Catholic church everything seems so simple I can finally love Jesus for what he did for me! all of my life I was trying to save myself by doing everything perfectly but I am a flawed human so i never could .

[@printsbyanne]

Couldn’t have said it better myself!

[@trishkosky7966]

Your testimony is mine too!!!! Exactly thank you!!!

[@bridgefin]

Starlight It's nice that you finally listened to the Christian message. It's a shame that you had to leave so much behind and embrace such novel doctrines as being saved and the avoidance of works. Jesus gave Christians two commandments, Love God and neighbor. Fail to do those WORKS and you will go to Hell. On the way down you can scream "BUT I AM SAVED" all you want.

[@bridgefin]

@@veritasmuy2407 You: The Thief on the cross didn't do any "works" - Me: Nice try. The thief made a public confession that he deserved his punishment. He publicly tried to evangelize the other thief. He pronounced Jesus innocent. He asked Jesus for salvation. Let's see: I see four works in Luke 23 by this good thief. And all of them public. That's more than many of you do in your lifetimes.

[@bridgefin]

@@veritasmuy2407 Four works. Deal with it.

[@midimusicforever]

The Church only has one head, and that is Jesus Christ!

[@geoffjs]

Matt 16 18-19 The Pope starting with Peter is the vicar of Christ and head of the CC on earth

[@midimusicforever]

@@geoffjsMatthew 16 does not say that Peter is the head of the Church.

[@bridgefin]

Jesus is the king and every king has a prime minister and that is Peter. See Isaiah 22.

[@midimusicforever]

@@bridgefin Peter is dead.

[@bridgefin]

@@midimusicforever Jesus is still the king and he still has his prime minister who is Peter's successor. Today that is Francis. And Peter is not dead as Jesus conquered death.

[@timg2088]

"The Bible will be a big help to us if we would only just read it." ~Alistair Begg

[@nosuchthing8]

Yes. The real bible

[@colin1818]

@@nosuchthing8 - At this point I'd be happy if we could get catholics to actively study any bible

[@bridgefin]

@@colin1818 What a foolish and prejudiced comment.

[@SteveRunciman]

it seems like Mike is raging against something he doesn't want to be true, but is.

[@InitialPC]

@@bridgefin You either serve God or you serve Satan. Every time a Catholic opts for the Catechism over the Bible, they are rejecting God.

[@luciano1984able]

Before I make a comment I want to let everyone who reads this know I am a Christian of no denomination. I was raised catholic but I never felt close to God. Things happened later on in my life that made me run to Him and buy the Bible. When I read it I was astonished to see many things about the catholic church teachings that are unbiblical or came after Jesus and the Apostles. I know the catholic church and many catholics do good things in the name of Jesus and I will always have respect for them. However, after I read scripture myself and allowed it to speak for itself I clearly saw the truth. God's word has authority! The way to salvation is through Jesus Christ and not to attach yourself to a denomination. I have a lot of love for my protestant brothers and sisters too but again it doesn't do them many favours that there are literally thousands of different sects within the reformation. There are some sects that do focus only on the word of God though. The catholic church gives bold claims that they cannot hold to because their actions say differently. God would not allow the bible to only be half-authorative when it was written over a 1,500 year period only for Rome to take over it??? Let scripture speak for itself. With much love brothers and sisters

[@geraldnichols2722]

Thanks for posting brother! The Bible is the only authority.

[@jzak5723]

If you don't belong to the church Jesus established, then you cannot possibly understand all of Scripture correctly, because the church's role is to teach the TRUTH. Reading the Bible on your own and not going to the TRUE church is not what God intended.

[@kellystrauss9888]

@@geraldnichols2722 but, it was the Church that gave you the Bible at the Council of Nicea 362 years after Jesus died. Jesus did not leave us a Bible, he left us Church that then gave us the Bible as we know it today. So it is the authority of the Church that we even have the Bible. What happened to the first Christians who didn't have the authority of the Bible? Also, please google "who compiled the Bible" you will see that it was the Catholic Bishops that compiled, copied and preserved the Bible that you have today. Also, when you look up the history of the Bible you see that the Catholic Church is the only one that contains all the books that were originally deemed inspired in the first century. Martin Luther and the reformers came along 1,500 years later and took out 7 books. This is a fact of history. So if the Bible is the only authority, who gave Martin Luther authority to take out 7 books that the first early Christians deemed inspired?

[@kellystrauss9888]

By Faith Through Grace.....In the Holy Bible we read "If I (St. Paul) am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth. Without any doubt, the mystery of our religion is great..." [1 Tim. 15-16]. Did you see the part where it says that the Church is the Pillar and bulwark of Truth... not the Bible. It was the Catholic Church that compiled the writings and epistles and deemed them inspired at the council of Nicea in the year 362AD. Jesus did not leave us a Bible, he left us His Church that then gave us the Bible as we know it today. So it is through the authority of the Church and the working of the Holy Spirit that we even have the Bible. What happened to the first Christians who didn't have the authority of the Bible? 400 years had passed and it wasn't until Pope Damasus appointed St Jerome to translate the Bible into Latin, (to make it more accesible to all languages .. since Latin is the root language to almost all languages) that we got the Latin Vulgate. Also, please google "who compiled the Bible" you will see that it was the Catholic Bishops that compiled, copied and preserved the Bible that you have today. Also, when you look up the history of the Bible you see that the Catholic Church is the only one that contains all the books that were originally deemed inspired in the first century. Martin Luther and the reformers came along 1,500 years later and took out 7 books. This is a fact of history. So if the Bible is the only authority, who gave Martin Luther authority to take out 7 books that the first early Christians deemed inspired? And, the Church gave us the Bible so who has authority over the other. It is the Church that upholds the Truth through the correct interpreation and understanding of scripture. God Bless!

[@kellystrauss9888]

@@geraldnichols2722 The church is the pillar and foundation of the truth.1 timothy 3:15 .... What came first the Church or the Bible? It is the Church that upholds the Truth.

[@user-fq7eh3jz7u]

I think if Peter himself descended from Heaven and told the pope that Roman Catholicism is wrong, the pope would say Peter is wrong quoting Paul’s “if they preach another gospel let them be accursed”

[@franciscoscaramanga9396]

"When, however, they are confuted from the Scriptures, they turn round and accuse these same Scriptures, as if they were not correct, nor of authority, and [assert] that they are ambiguous, and that the truth cannot be extracted from them by those who are ignorant of tradition." - Irenaeus, 'Against Heresies', Book III, Chapter 2.1

[@mitchellosmer1293]

@@franciscoscaramanga9396 quote---"When, however, they are confuted from the Scriptures, they turn round and accuse these same Scriptures, as if they were not correct, nor of authority, and [assert] that they are ambiguous, and that the truth cannot be extracted from them by those who are ignorant of tradition." - Irenaeus, 'Against Heresies', Book III, Chapter 2.1--unquote Words of a mere man and NOT the word of GOD!!!

[@mk4630]

​@@mitchellosmer1293There was no claim these are the words of God. They simply used this man's words to convey their thoughts

[@baldwinthefourth4098]

Peter would never do that, do you know why? Because the Papacy is true ;)

[@thomaserickson568]

All these hypotheticals: if I had a nickel for every one, I'd be rich

[@lostinAR]

8:56 "Many Catholics do not know Catholicism and this may be their saving grace." As a former Catholic (born, raised and educated in the Church) I agree, this is abosolutely true. As Mike points out, Catholicism is extremely complicated and I would go even farther and say almost no Catholics actually really know Catholisim as the Vatican would express it. I would consider most of the Lay Catholics I know saved because of their faith in the fundmental doctrines Mike mentions at the beginning. Most of the Catholics in my family fully believe they are saved by Grace alone and don't know that the official doctrine of the vatican is different. They are (as I was) largely ignorant of problems in the Vatican's many other "official" teachings.

[@TheGuitarReb]

"Official Teaching" Comes from Jesus. Worship comes from Mass and Holy Communion. Ignorant problems come from human beings.

[@taylor6618]

Great to hear!

[@walterromanoff2953]

No excuses on Judgement day You are either saved. And born again or your not Jesus is the only way to the father Catholic religion will not get you to heaven

[@truthseeker1693]

Look up Walter Veith and Kenneth Cox videos on Bible prophecy. You'll be amazed.... They teach the prophecies of the bible...

[@sheilasmith7779]

@@walterromanoff2953 No Walter, not true. God NEVER punishes those who do not know, only those who know and refuse to respond and follow the truth. Many Catholics will be admitted to heaven, many will not. God is merciful to Christian Catholics that sincerely believed Catholicism....not those presented the truth and refused to listen.

[@MaccaBased]

Society used to be taught to "go to the source". Rome perpetuated their standing as the only true wisdom in the Word, and it's interpretation. Unfortunately we drank the cool-aid. As a young boy (who was an Altar Boy) who wanted to read Revelation, the Parish Priest told me not to because I would "go insane" trying to understand it. When I was a teenager, my mother became born-again. Over the next couple of years, myself, and my three siblings became Christians. My father, who was raised Catholic was not interested. Eventually, he started to read the bible for himself. One night, at the dinner table, my gentle natured father slammed his hand on the table during dinner in an uncharacteristic angry act. When mum asked what was wrong, dad said, "They (the Catholic church) have lied to .e my whole life, Daph! Those "xxxxxxxx" have knowingly lied to me. I will never set foot in a Catholic churcj again!". Dad kept his word, and he learned THE WORD. You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

[@irsshill4502]

That was low key me, also. I became lutheran.

[@walterromanoff2953]

Great Story I felt the same way I was Catholic and went to a tent revival I was slain on the spirit at an alter call and was born again I was transformed in how I saw things in a new way and found god

[@Israel-of-Yah]

Awesome 🙌🏼

[@albertdevasahayam6781]

Andrew McAllan, I will be happy to know what lies your father is referring to which the Catholic Church is guilty of. It is more likely that your father has misunderstood what the Catholic Church truly teaches.

[@albertdevasahayam6781]

@@veritasmuy2407 Thanks to private interpretation, we have more than 50000 protestant denominations and free for all churches. You should know why the Catholic Church insists on its prerogative to interpret scripture. First of all, Jesus gave the Catholic Church the authority to interpret scripture infallibly. Secondly, in order to maintain the integrity of scripture and to maintain unity among Christians, there is need for a teaching authority for this purpose.

[@barbarakozera4564]

I lived for 5 years in a Roman Catholici convent as a child. I was well versed in Catholicism. I left the R.C. church and was baptized in an evangelical church and the truth really did set me free. I am now 72 years old and my eyes tear up still when I realize the sacrifice Christ paid for me. I look forward to the day when “the government will be upon His shoulders”. Thanks to mike winger for truly clear biblical teaching. Thanks to the holt spirit for the insights laid upon my heart some 50 years ago

[@alhilford2345]

Barbara: I don't mean to be disrespectful to an old lady, but if your eyes tear up it should be because you have turned your back on the Eucharest and on God's mercy. Please reconsider this tragic decision before it's too late.

[@johnsheedy461]

BARBARA K----Have you ever read the writings of those that were taught by the apostles ? Ignatius, who was consecrated bishop of Antioque by St.Peter, called it the Catholic church ! St. Augustine, in the fourth century, called it the Catholic church ! All historians, The Encyclopedia Brittanica, Wikipedia and All books of Lists, after serious research into early church history, the bible, ancient texts and regular history ALL state that Peter WAS the first Pope ! The Catholic church was founded on Peter and is our Saviour's church.

[@KristiLEvans1]

God bless you!

[@KristiLEvans1]

@@johnsheedy461 they are commentarians and valuable, but they aren’t theopneustos. What you’re saying is, “I know you’ve read God’s inspired Word, but you should read this commentary from these smart guys who came about one or two hundred years after the fact, and give it equal footing.”

[@johnsheedy461]

@@KristiLEvans1 SAINT IGNATIUS WAS TAUGHT BY THE APOSTLE JOHN AND CONSECRATED BISHOP OF ANTIOCH BY SAINT PETER ! ! Would he know anything----or should we listen to ONE of the 47 THOUSAND Bible-disagreeiing, Dissing each other, Catholic condemning Protestant religions ?

[@NaptownSubaru]

Religion is like politics. You can give facts, stats, exact quotes, etc and people will still disregard it. Nothing is more true than, “You can only reason a man out of something that he was reasoned into.”

[@mikem6251]

When the Holy Spirit truly leads someone into a faith (as the Holy Spirit did with me and the Catholic Church)...no, you aren't about to change it. You can't. What the Spirit does is everlasting truth. Jesus said "Heaven and Earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away".

[@mikem6251]

@@thomasb282 With all due respect, Thomas, I understand it perfectly...just as Jesus did as the founder of the Catholic Church. As far as what is "Biblical" and un-Biblical, please keep in mind that the Church itself, through the work of St. Jerome and St. Augustine, gave us the Bible as we know it.....St. Jerome translated the first Latin Vulgate. The Church (and the authority that Jesus Himself gave it, though Peter and his successors) preceded the Bible by several centuries....and the Church was given that authority, in the Holy Spirit and the Magisterium, to interpret the Scriptures....something that Fundamentalists often fail to understand, because they don't understand history. And, THAT (the Church) itself is the tradition of God, not of men. The reason we have some 25,000 Christian so-called (denominations) today is that thousands upon thousands of self-proclaimed leaders (including fundamentalists) thought they knew more than Jesus, 2000 years of Catholic tradition and Magisterium, and left to start their own churches...just like the person who did this false and misleading video. Christ's own Roman Catholic Church, however, continues to flourish, and will do so, just as He promised Peter it would, until the end of time, and no evil will overcome it. Have a nice evening. And Jesus (the Savior/Reedeemer)and His Mother (our Spiritual Intercessor) are calling you with open arms......don't turn them down.

[@johnyang1420]

Mikem….well said and agreed! Amen!

[@mikem6251]

@@johnyang1420 Thank you, johnyang. Many Fundamentalists, once they see and understand what the Catholic Church TRULY teaches and stands for (and not what some Anti-Catholic Sunday School teacher may have taught them decades ago) have a profound change of heart, as the Holy Spirit opens their eyes.

[@tombraider862]

​​@Thomas B Just going to suggest... the quotation from Colosians may have been warning us against the times we are in now. Traditions of men: lgbqtia+, A.I., 'spirituality' but no church affiliation, prosperity churches, new age.... and not so much Christian churches, catholic or orthodox or any other.

[@mrcsregan]

Another section of Scriptutre that comes to mind is Galatians 2:11-20, where Paul describes how he opposed Peter because Peter was not in line with the Gospel. Paul didn't just submit to Peter as though he were the infallible "chief of the apostles". Paul opposed him when Peter was in the wrong. I think that highlights a principle here that is relevant to the convo about Papal authority/infallibility and the Catholic claim to the succession of Peter. We have precedent in Scripture to be able to judge and discern the teaching and actions of others, no matter how much of a "reputation" they may have for themselves; and for that we have Scripture as our means for judging.

[@neodaltiair8624]

My #1 easy objection...

[@alanshoebridge9987]

Paul said he was the apostle to the gentiles and Peter to the Jewish Christian. Peter stated in 2Peter that all of Paul writings and teachings should be considered scripture.

[@InitialPC]

@@alanshoebridge9987 And each of the four gospels were written for different audiences (Matthew for jews, luke for romans, etc) doesnt mean we should all have different bibles for what group we belong to. Think of it more as a specialty, Peter specializes in Messianic Jews (Jewish Christians) and Paul specializes in Gentiles, does not mean they're different types of Christian, they are both followers of Christ and children of God.

[@trismegistus2881]

You have always been able to tell a Pope that he was wrong. The idea of Papal infallibility only came about at the end of the 19th century and only pertains to the rarest of papal pronouncements.

[@mrcsregan]

@@trismegistus2881 the issue I think is captured well in the Catholic Catechism, Second Edition, section 891 (I'm not sure the proper way to site the Catholic Catechism). It reads, "The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter's successor, they exercise the supreme Magisterium, above all in an Ecumenical Council. When the Church through its supreme Magisterium proposes a doctrine "for belief as being divinely revealed," and as the teaching of Christ, the definitions "must be adhered to with the obedience of faith." This infallibility extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itself (p. 235-236).

[@drescorpio1114]

A lot of people are leaving the catholic church because people are starting to read the Bible for themselves.

[@franciscoscaramanga9396]

Exactly the reason they never wanted it translated into English.

[@rena6895]

I actually started RCIA after completing The Bible in a Year with Fr Mike Schmitz. I will be confirmed in Easter. I have taught Bible Study for several years. Neither church is perfect, but both serve a perfect God. Either way it is a personal heart matter, but I have personally found that the Catholic Mass feels more like Worship to me. The last several years the many Protestant Churches are like a Rock Concert. The pulpit a stage for entertainment complete with an extraordinary light show.

[@johnyang1420]

Rena…welcome home! You made the right choice! God bless you!

[@cherrysurgeon6922]

@@rena6895 but catholics will teach you to pray to mary and your good works are needed for salvation

[@minagelina]

I see a LOT of people going back to Catholicism now, including Protestants. I wonder what's going on.

[@katiamissnersiegel4457]

Holy Bible, Jeremiah 17.5 : The LORD says, " I will condemn those who turn away from me and put their trust in human beings, in the strenght of mortals.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

I love prooftexting. So *which* human beings are not to be trusted? *ALL OF THEM* including the author of this particular page.

[@katiamissnersiegel4457]

@@thomasmaughan4798 Holy Bible, Colossians 2.8 : See to it, then, that no one enslaves you by means of the worthless deceit of human wisdom, wich comes from the teachings handed down by humans beings and from the ruling spirits of the universe, and not from Christ.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

@@katiamissnersiegel4457: So what teachings have you obtained from Christ and NOT "handed down by human beings". Remember, it cannot have been touched by human hands; that means *no bible* quotations.

[@ekka1219]

You do not understand nor know the meaning of Mortal in Jeremiah-17

[@katiamissnersiegel4457]

@@thomasmaughan4798 Holy Bible, Mark 7.7-8 It is no use for them to worship me, because they teach human rules as though they were my laws ! You put aside God's command and obey human teachings . Exemple of human teaching : celebration to Mary, Saints .

[@minagelina]

I just got out of an interfaith group and I got told that I needed to repent of a bound conscience because I essentially said that between the apostles of the first century and the third century, it's relatively silent about the early church and then we get church fathers who taught things. We have a century and a half in which things can get twisted and changed. Heck even Peter was caught modifying the Gospel and got chastised. So I said we needed to be careful and use the Scriptures as our only Infallible source for doctrine.

[@ScottPalmer-mp1we]

Part of the problem with discussions about "the early church" is that, Biblically speaking such a body never existed. There never was a monolithic body called "the church". There were churches because the word church in Greek refers to "an assembly, a (religious) congregation" according to Strong's definition. Strong's states that in usage, the term is used for the whole body of Christian believers, but that is a misuse of the term because it contradicts the definition. The NT is replete with references which make no sense if the church is the whole body of believers. This is a crucial issue which I have not seen discussed much in videos.

[@simplelifewithgod3227]

I was born and raised in a Catholic family. My mom is a devout Catholic, serving the church, doing rosary with those images made of wood or stones. She's also doing procession of the images of Mary, bowing down and touching the image with handkerchief. I grew with all these things that my mom is doing which doesn't really bothers me because I am not a religious person. I would say my faith with the God that we believed in is somewhat 10%. I didn't even know the concept of "God" came from, didn't even know the Bible. But after 43 years of my life, God made me realised that He's doing miracles in my life. He always provided an exit to my adulterous situation. (cried too much 😭😭😭) So I started going to the church which is the Catholic church. With a few weeks going to church every Sunday, I've felt something wrong seeing people kneeling down in front of the image of Mary (a grotto outside of the church). Then I started reading and studying the Bible, of course with the guide of the Holy Spirit. God is gracious with wisdom when you asked of it and everything it make sense to me. God is truly faithful with His promises, He gave me a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel 36:26) I am born again in spirit ( John 3:3, 1 Peter 1:23, 2 Corinthians 5:17, John 3:6) He made me realised that from Heaven, He came down on earth to save us, and that is our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (John 14:6, Luke 2:11, 1 Timothy 1:15, Titus 2:13) From 10% to a million percent faith.😊😊 Matthew 6:33 Seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and all this things will be given to you as well

[@27steve]

God bless you

[@countryboyred]

Happy for you brother.

[@bridgefin]

Adulterous to a wife and now adulterous to God. Ever think of faithfully following without letting your sinful will get in the way?

[@ottom.3094]

@@bridgefin Who are you to say whom God can give his Holy Spirit too? You’re like the self righteous Pharisees - who claim only Jews can receive the Holy Spirit or those that follow the mosaic law can be saved. Nothing new under the sun - words from Solomon.

[@bridgefin]

@@ottom.3094 False accusation. The point is the the Holy Spirit does NOT lead people away from his church.

[@drescorpio1114]

Psalms 62:11 Go has spoken once, twice have I heard this that power belongs to God. It did not say power belongs to man. The pope changes their doctrine every some years but God's word never change.

[@bridgefin]

Please name the doctrine which has been changed!

[@danocinneide1885]

Would love to have public debate between anyone from Catholic Answers and this man...

[@Ggeg0000]

You can watch james White vs. those "apologists" from CA

[@CodyHelscel]

@@Ggeg0000 This guy has no way of settlings matters of those who disagree with him. Think about it. Since he rejects the Catholic church's authority, who can settle matters of disagreement? I've furthermore heard this guy make many errors about the Catholic church in another video. I don't think he is ready to debate a professional Catholic apologist. Additionally, he just made another error in saying that the Catholic church uses a unique vocabulary. The word "magisterium" is not unique to the Catholic church. I'm only eight minutes into the video, and he is making very basic errors.

[@kellystrauss9888]

@@livingwater7580 OH MY GOSH.... There was no word of God for 400 years. What do you not understand and even when they did compile the Bible it was not even in all languages yet. Christ established a Church first.... Matt. 16:18 “And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock*** I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH.”*** I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven .... and whatever you bind on earth will be bound and whatever you loosed on earth will loosed. This is a HUGE charge he gave Peter. Not only did he just change his name from Simon to Peter (which means Rock). Peter proclaimed Christ as Lord and believed in him. It is on Peter's faith that He builds his Church and gives Peter the authority to bind and loose. I tell you this because it was this authority (through the working of the Holy Sprit) that the Catholic Bishops and Pope ratified the Bible. It was several hundred years after the apostles died that the CHURCH compiled the writings in to a NT.

[@Ggeg0000]

@@CodyHelscel The Catholic church's authority? Where did the RCC get this authority?

[@Ggeg0000]

@@kellystrauss9888 Again we do not have the Bible on the authority of the RCC. The RCC did not compile the Bible. We do not have a Bible becaue Rome gave us one We have it because God gave it to us and the books of the NT were considered scripture from early on, not becaue Rome told the church it was scripture

[@starstables_and_SchleichHorse]

Grew up as a catholic, family left when I was about 16. I was saved by Jesus at 23, now 55. The Lord helped me to see that Catholicism was not right with Him, is the best way I can put it. These videos though have been helpful in understanding more in depth why.

[@ravissary79]

The authority issue ends up being a bootstrap paradox. The defense for their absolute and exhaustive authority is about 3 verses out of context, if you point out that the verses are out of context they reply with "you're not allowed to interpret scripture, only they can do that". The actual history of the church is a history of disagreement and debate but unified in spirit. Many doctors and fathers of the church have different takes, but agree on the essentials. It's easy to read scripture and see where the arguments come from and read their writings to see if a concern they have was universal or an overreaction to a heresy that went away. It's easy to see where the RC positions come from or how they've changed. It's a matter of history accessible to literate people. The problem is that every since the first and second great schisms they've just doubled down on authority instead of TEACHING the word, instead of encouraging the spreading of the word, of literacy, of the enrichment of the people of God. Yes, tradition is important, but there's so much tradition and some is clearly contradictory, some is CLEARLY not as well reasoned or in harmony with the rest if revelation, yet you're not allowed to point this out. All they do is double down on authority, while choosing to sample only from the traditions that support their political authority while ignoring the traditions and scriptures that don't. But this is what all cults do. They all make an appeal to authority to squash any debate over biblical truth.

[@morelmaster]

Paul continuously appealed to his authority. So was Paul in a cult also??? Appealing to one's God given authority when it comes to teaching the Gospel is exactly what the CC does, because it is Scriptural. If you don't like it, tough.

[@John-gr1qb]

back up your claims..

[@ravissary79]

@@morelmaster Paul didn't just say "I am Paul... therefore I have authority", nope, he goes out of his way, repeatedly in his various epistles, to make his case why his opinion matters. He gives his testimony, talks about his academic credentials, backs up his sincerity by using his past as a persecutor of the church to show he's a zealous guy who means what he says, then he cites other Christian leaders to show they approve of him, gives his resume of how long he's worked in various places... and even then, after all that, he doesn't argue from authority, but simply uses his earned and proven authority, based on facts and experience, to be heard. But what is he consistently trying to be heard on?.just doctrines? No, he builds logical, scriptural and rhetorical cases that are quote long and detailed to make his case at every turn. And when speaking about supernatural facts, he largely defers to larger traditions he doesn't invent (like OT or contemporary ideas) or the testimony of the eye witnesses when speaking of Christ saying that he gives to us wgat he also received (from others), meaning his testimony isn't hist an appeal to authority as a cult leader but his doctrine is rooted in the experiences and testimony of others and they all stand in concert as one proclaiming a truth upheld by scripture, prophecy, multiple attestation of miracles, and his own bonafides, testimony and miracles align with those, and his skills and schooling make him especially qualified to understand and explain it. Paul's authority wasn't a bootstrap appeal to authority. He made his case for his authority in things outside himself. His appeal to it only makes sense in light of the fact he's already made this case as a logical evidence based case for his authority, and even then he doesn't use it to make claims without argumentation, scripture, evidence and logic. Paul is a perfect case for NOT bootstrapping an appeal to authority.

[@ravissary79]

@@margaretlobo9466 false. Also, the teem protestant is highly abused and half the timr is completely useless except as a boogeyman word in the mouth of a catholic critic. You aren't describing anything I've actually sided with, believe or defend. If you think "protestants"dont obey or worship God then you're living in a dreamworld.

[@ravissary79]

@@margaretlobo9466 you made the claim they DON'T worship God. I'm pretty sure you need to substantiate that claim. I know myself and know that I do. I don't have to prove anything to you. As the accuser, the burden of proof is on you.

[@adrialee8149]

Your video bad theology is one of the best I've ever seen refuting the man made false doctrine of the catholic church. I took pages of notes. I was born and raised into a catholic family and reading the Bible and other revelations led me to realize a lot of things. I can't go back now.

[@danocinneide1885]

Hey Mike...The Church you say added books to the Bible in the 1500's..! do you really (really) believe this? Suggest you chck out the list from Council of Rome in 382 ad, and also canon 24 from the council of Carthage 419ad

[@calson814]

It seems like Mike doesn't know the HISTORY OF THE CHURCH 😂

[@Ggeg0000]

I suggest you read what Jerome and Origen and Athanasius, and others had to say about the apocrypha The RCC never made an official pronouncement on the canon in an ecumenical council (supposedly infallible) until Trent in 1563 Before Trent the apocrypha was not universally accepted. Augistine accepted it, others did not.

[@sanfords]

Mike, could you do this same kind of analysis for the Orthodox Church? I have a new wife that is Orthodox and I am dealing with these similar issues. THANKS for all you do!

[@paytons6767]

@@veritasmuy2407 technically yes, but you're not suppose to remarry because it is still adultery Mark 10:9. Unless the spouse dies then you are free from that law Romans 7:2-3. Regardless we have no information of this man to judge righteously.

[@St.MartinofToursPrayToGodForUs]

Hi Sanford, have you gotten any of your questions answered about Orthodox Christianity? I'm on the other side of the equation (I married a heterodox woman) but I'd be happy to answer any questions or give you resources.

[@johnyang1420]

Sanfords….your wife is right!

[@MasterKeyMagic]

Your wife is right, you're the one whose wrong. History supports her faith not yours

[@survivordave]

​@@paytons6767Why would you read "new wife" and immediately jump to thinking he meant "second+ wife" rather than "the woman he just got married to"?

[@kitkat3164]

I am an XCatholic and after asking the Holy Spirit to reveal truth to me and reading the Bible my spiritual eyes were opened! Praise God! I was set free from the burden and bondage of Catholicism. Having to obey mans rules( the church authorities) over Gods word is not saving grace! Ask the Holy Spirit in Jesus name to show you the truth in the Holy Bible and you will be set free from mans false doctrines. ✨🙏🏻

[@brianetheredge7323]

From another ex-Catholic...thanks for your testimony. Welcome home, beloved sib in the Lord!

[@bridgefin]

Satan loves to open your eyes to himself when you don't test the spirit you call upon. The real Holy Spirit would never lead you away from the only church which God established for your salvation. Revel in your sin for now. I hope you repent.

[@kitkat3164]

Bridgefin So Sad that you feel a church can save you. Only Jesus died for you not the church. The Roman Catholic Church didn’t even exist then. As a matter of fact it was the Jewish Sanhedrin and the Romans who crucified Jesus. I pray that the Holy Spirit will open your eyes to truth and see the false teachings in Catholicism. 😊✨🙏🏻

[@bridgefin]

@@kitkat3164 Jesus works through his church to save you. And Jesus established his church on Peter around 30 ad. Pentecost is considered the official beginning of the church with the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the apostles and disciples. Jesus, knowing that he would ascend to Heaven made provision so that the good news could be spread to all corners of the earth in his physical absence. I have looked and looked and never seen a false teaching in Catholicism. There are some I don't like just as there are a few commandments I would like to edit, but the problem is within me and not in either the church or God's Word.

[@kitkat3164]

Bridgefin All I need is Gods truth is the Holy Written Word, ( The BIBLE) and the precious Holy Spirit to teach and guide me into His truth. Forgiveness is in Jesus alone not in any institution. As I said, my prayers are for those lost in man made rules and regulations that only weigh them down into the burden of the Lord and not the freedom and joy of the Lord Jesus. Go in peace and my prayers are with you. 🙏🏻✨ Jesus said, I have come to set the captives free! We are free only in Him. Have a blessed day and I will not get into a debate over salvation with you as our views are very different. I will not read any more of your posts, Thank you.

[@jediv9910]

​ @Mark Dennis *Wrong. Two or more Scriptures saying the same teachings proves a doctrine. Nothing to do with 'a person formulating anything".* you said These Five Solas were not formulated as a systematic theology by a single individual but rather emerged as core principles during the Reformation period. Reformers such as Martin Luther, John Calvin, and others played significant roles in articulating and promoting these ideas, seeking to restore what they believed to be essential biblical teachings that had been obscured or distorted within the Catholic Church of their time

[@melissasharma3662]

You should find the teaching Jacob Prasche did on Peter and what it meant when Yeshua said, “You are Peter and on this rock...” In the Hebrew, Peter was being referred to as a pebble, saying more like, “you are a pebble, but on THIS rock, (rather a stone more like), I will build my church”...it was a comparison, you’re exactly right.

[@WhiteDove73-888]

This was the start of the Roman mistakes and lies they introduced into the church. Purgatory, prayers to saints, Jewish style priestly outfits and then the collar. The Dagon fish mitre, mariology, baptizing babies, etc...

[@bridgefin]

Jesus spoke Aramaic and not Greek. There is no such distinction in Aramaic.

[@walterromanoff2953]

@Michahel Peter was not set apart Peter was not a Pope He was not paid He was not in charge of the apostles He had no building Jesus called him a rock but that does not mean a Pope in the Vatican in Italy That happened many years later Jesus was a Jew He was never a Catholic Jesus followers were Christians or followers of Christ Catholic Church was Romes religion 300 ad when Constantine the Emperor declared it Before then Romans believed their leaders or Cezar were god Jews were also around Christ church was an underground church with no buildings They did not worship Mary or believe in saints or purgatory or holy water or statues icons and relics Catholic Church is a pagan cult Pope is the Antichrist You really better search for truth Pray for understanding Watch Billy Gram Try other churches

[@benhof2140]

Jacob Prasche and Joshua Chavez is are some of the worst slanderers ive seen in the body of Christ.

[@InitialPC]

@@bridgefin Jesus did not speak the official language of the time? Bit of a stretch.

[@Deacondan240]

Mike, How do you answer the following comeback from Catholics per authority of the church to interpret scripture: that is Protestants have final authority as well at the local church or denomination , ex Westminster confession. Practically, if a congregant member opposes church doctrine, they are “dealt with” and church leaders assume the reason Thy to interpret and apply by the authority of leadership and Holy Spirit leading. Are we Protestants doing the same thing but on a smaller scale? The church seemed to be called to live and act in community with Jesus our head pastor, but decisions and judgements must be made.

[@bufficliff8978]

The reason it’s different is because when a single Church claims to have the unique, infallible truth of interpretation, that Church is exposed for being unbiblical, and they eventually get relegated into being a cult. One church saying that they believe in predestination and another saying they believe in free will isn’t the same as claiming the mantle of ultimate authority on doctrinal matters because making a decision based off evidence isn’t the same as demanding you alone have the infallible truth. Someone who believes in free will is fully welcomed into a predestination church, and the opposite is true. The individual church doesn’t claim to be the authority, they base their ideas off the ultimate and infallible authority of God’s words and God’s doctrine. Protestants listen to leaders but don’t and should never just listen to what the leader says and believe it. Protestants put bibles in pews and at the ends of isles and in community hubs so that anyone can double check what the pastor said against the Bible itself. Jesus was taught in The Temple, but the rabbis weren’t His authority. He spent his ministry rebuking rabbis because they weren’t following the true authority of the scriptures-the true authority of God. No human leader, Protestant or Catholic, has equal authority to the Bible. The reason the Bible is the authority is because it’s the infallible Word of God. The reason the Bible is the authority is because when God came down in the flesh as Jesus, he told the people to search the scriptures, and that the scriptures would prove His identity. The reason the Bible is our authority is because God told us in (I think) Deuteronomy to test all prophets and spirits with their submission and accuracy to the scriptures and with short-term prophecy. God Himself, when He came as Jesus didn’t demand blind faith in spite of the scriptures, but affirmed their authority in proving His own divinity. God is our authority, and God uses the scriptures as an authoritative source to prove that He was God. So if we believe that God is sending us a message, if it doesn’t 1,000% line up with the entire catalog of scripture, it’s not true. God used the Bible as authority, God is the authority, so Protestants follow God’s leadership and trust the authority or scriptures over the authority of pastors, rabbis, priests, or popes. God first. I’m not sure if that answers the idea. If it doesn’t I’m sorry and would like to hear the idea reworded maybe? But the best option for them, if they have the grace and patience, would be to find a good, local Protestant Church and talk to the pastor about this question. It’s a good question. But the best use of the question is to remind people to not take what the pastor says wholesale and to not get complacent in their challenging for truth and to always ask questions.

[@jediv9910]

@wolfofthewest8019 *Roman ct pope invited LGBTQ to Roman ct Vatican. Lol* ROME - Pope Francis has met with a fourth group of transgender people who found shelter at a Rome church, the Vatican newspaper reported Thursday. L’Osservatore Romano said the encounter took place Wednesday on the sidelines of Francis’ weekly general audience. The newspaper quoted Sister Genevieve Jeanningros and the Rev. Andrea Conocchia as saying the pope’s welcome brought their guests hope. The Blessed Immaculate Virgin community in the Torvaianica neighborhood on Rome’s outskirts opened its doors to transgender people during the coronavirus pandemic. Francis previously met with some of them on April 27, June 22 and Aug. 3, the newspaper said. “No one should encounter injustice or be thrown away, everyone has dignity of being a child of God,” the paper quoted Sister Jeanningros as saying. Francis has earned praise from some members of the LGBTQ community for his outreach. *When asked in 2013 about a purportedly gay priest, he replied, “Who am I to judge?”* He has met individually and in groups with transgender people over the course of his pontificate. you said You want to know who is to blame for transgenderism? Protestants.

[@LilyGrace1990]

My Catholic friends have always said that they believe in salvation through Christ alone, not by works. One of them even said that there was no reason for me to convert (not that I was asking, but theoretically) because we're all part of the body of Christ. The way you're talking about it, it does sound like they don't really understand or believe every single bit of Catholic theology. That's probably a good thing because I truly believe they are saved. Their view of salvation has always been the same as mine.

[@LilyGrace1990]

@Sterling Crowne I've asked my friends about it and they said it's ridiculous and legalistic. I don't want to press the issue because it's probably their saving grace that they don't believe all of this.

[@bridgefin]

Your "Catholic" friends are misguided on their recommendation for you not to convert. According to Jesus you have no life within you without the Eucharist. And what will you say if Jesus should ask why you didn't follow him into his church but went to the churches established by sinners instead?

[@colin1818]

In the book "Roman but not Catholic" they talk about a survey that determined a huge portion of Catholics are "functionally protestant." They don't believe many of the teachings of the catholic faith but are still "catholic." It's not surprising, therefore, that your friends think this way. Individual catholics are deeply divided on what they actually believe. Admittedly, that's no different than protestants. But this idea that all catholics believe the same things, the "universal" teachings of the church, is simply a myth.

[@martywilliard]

@@bridgefin Reread what you wrote.

[@bridgefin]

@@martywilliard I did. You think that maybe it was inspired?

[@sunshinegirl1967]

Catholicism makes Christianity so hard. 2 Corinthians 11:3 "But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."

[@doug1863]

sunshinegirl1967 Jesus says also to have faith like a child

[@sunshinegirl1967]

Patrick Montgomery ok I misunderstood because of your use of caps and punctuations, which looked like you were saying I was not saved. It’s hard to decipher the way you write. Anyway I wanted to add God bless you. I’m sorry for the misunderstanding brother.

[@theoprt]

@Patrick Montgomery oh but how the uneducated and the stubborn stick their heads in the sand like a ostrich hoping that the hard to hear and truth will go away.

[@theoprt]

"Catholicism makes Christianity so hard" you are so right the road to heaven is narrow and hard Jesus say pick up your cross and follow me the road to hell is broad and easy!

[@theoprt]

Andrew Drew my chalange to you would be find me anny thing on sola scriptura or sola fide pre Luther

[@rescand2]

I left the Church b/c I realized that while looking at Watchtower, Mormons and other religions that call themselves Christian but are not the Roman Catholic Church does the same things that the Church says these other religions do which make them pseudo-Christian cults (as it pertains to its own authority).

[@georgepenton808]

People leave the Catholic Church so they can indulge the flesh.

[@doug1863]

George Penton like with alter boys and girls ? This isn’t the only statement you have posted that really makes you look like a very ignorant person. And I say that with great sadness. You truly have shown yourself to be a blind Pharisee

[@johnsheedy461]

R/ESCANDON----Read the post above by IMPERIAL REPUBLICAN. He quotes the very early church. Are you interested in what these men wrote and believed or from Pastor Bob ? Ignatius of Antioch, Irenaeus and Cyprian. They were there, they knew what the apostles taught ! They wrote it down !

[@gracielong3566]

@@georgepenton808 Then your priests should leave the church right now so they can go diddle more children! Seriosuly, you are delusional idiot.

[@aclk1520]

The whole truth will always be more than those with fractions of the truth. There will always be common ground when someone has the whole truth.

[@jediv9910]

​ @Mark Dennis *You are still dodging. Where in the Bible says “faith + good works + partake R sacraments + submit to R pontiff + be in R Church + devote to Mary = salvation"?*

[@cowmansr]

Forgive me. The thing that keeps popping into my head is a kind of snarky redirection of your question, "Why do I need you? Isn't the Bible enough?" If there is no need for interpretation of the Bible and the historical facts, then why are we listening to this video? And if we can't just come to this stuff on our own, then don't we need a church with some authority to help guide us? I grew up Evangelical, but became Catholic. I was torn for some time, but ultimately the Bible favored the Catholic position, especially on the establishment of a Church that had authority to settle disputes. See Acts. I really recommend Trent Horn's response to this video. It addresses all the critiques I had that I'm not elaborating on, and many more.

[@gracielong3566]

The Bible will only favor the Catholic position when it is taken out of its context and distorted to fit the Catholic narratives. I am not saying that the "church' is not set up as an authority to help settle disputes, but WHO the church is remains the real issue..... The book of Acts does not establish Rome as the Church Christ established. Peter was not the first pope either... I highly recommend you study more of the Scriptures rather than Catholic recommended literature. Will give them credit as they do a fantastic job of indoctrinating the masses.

[@MG-zx2sp]

Nathan Cushman AMEN Nathan! Mike is talking about the non practicing Catholics, sadly there is a lot of Catholics that do not read the Bible and do not know their faith. Mike you have it all wrong the Pope does not and has not changed doctrine he can change only discipline. The Catholic Church teaches that sacred Tradition contains nothing whatsoever that is contrary to the Bible. Sacred Tradition serves as a rule of faith by showing what the Church has believed consistently through the centuries and how it has always understood any given portion of the Bible. One of the main ways in which Tradition has been passed down to us is in the doctrine contained in the ancient texts of the liturgy, the Church’s public worship. I am a practicing Catholic and read the Bible and I’m in love with our lord Jesus Christ. The Pope protects the truth given by Jesus passed on thru the succession of St. Peter first Pope, Jesus said “ and the gates of hell will not prevail against my Church” which is his Universal Church- in Greek universal is Catholic and we follow it. You are your own Pope. The Pope does not interpret the Bible his own way . Sacred Tradition serves as the Church’s living memory, reminding her of what the faithful have constantly and consistently believed and how to properly understand and interpret the meaning of Biblical passages. Vatican 1 and 2 and other council do not interpret or change doctrine. You were reading it and telling them what it meant and that’s not what it said. You have a good heart but have half the truth. Yes, there has been horrible things that has happened and definitely not ok. Jesus warned us it would happen and not to follow them but what you don’t understand is that we follow our Lord Jesus Christ not the Pope. You should read again 2 Thessalonians 2:14(15) “ Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by WORD, or by our epistle.” (Letter). You are not accepting the oral Tradition and it is says it CLEARLY there, why? Apostolic oral tradition has clearly been maintained, just as Our Lord promised it would be, through the safeguarding of the Holy Spirit John 16:13.We are One, Holy, Catholic Apostolic Church. We do follow and believe in the Whole bible not just certain verses to our convenience. The Catholic Church did not add books to the Bible in the 16th century Martin Luther took the books out. Revelation 22:18 “ if anyone takes away from the words in this prophetic book, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city described in this book.”

[@gents8002]

Trent Horn responded to this video? PLEASE give me the link! I am a protestant, now doubting protestantism due to Catholic apologetics. Please help me out!

[@ald67]

@FaithHopeGrace believe the Bible, the Church is the pillar and ground of truth. (1 Tim. 3:15). Neither you nor any one can contradict the Bible.

[@1958vintage]

@@MG-zx2sp As one who grew up a Roman Catholic I can confirm that your challenge to Mike Winger here is completely wrong. Mike Winger's teaching here, that you challenge in your comments, is spot on. Various Catholic Councils over the millennia have done exactly that ... changed doctrine. The biggest errors are (1) what it means to be born again: see John 3 (in context also of John 1:12-13) and Jesus' meeting at night with Nicodemus. This was a turning point for me in my own journey to true faith. Roman Catholic teaching that this occurs without any active choice of the baby as it is baptised. This is the biggest sticking point because, like the doctrines of the Pharisees, it actively prevents people asking the question of Nicodemus in John 3:4 which leads to the opening of the heart to God for salvation. Nothing is more important than this. A similar concept is found in Luke 10:25 & Luke 18:18. The Pharisees taught, effectively, a 'salvation by works' as a substitute for surrendering of the heart to God himself. In these Luke references Jesus urges the hearers to "follow me". When one puts the two "Born Again" and "Follow me" concepts together correctly in context one has the essence of the Gospel of salvation. This was not taught in the RC church at all, as I was growing up, and it wasn't taught in the Roman Catholic Grammar School that I attended for seven years (including 6th form). (2) traditions that become more important than the Word of God: Mike made the link between the Pharisee-ism of Jesus' day and the Catholicism as it is now in the 21st Century is absolutely spot on. It was something that held me bound in its lies for several years. (3) "The Catholic Church teaches that sacred Tradition contains nothing whatsoever that is contrary to the Bible.": That is the trick that I used to fall for. The church teaches... and so Catholics stop looking at this critically. Actually the Roman Catholicism has invented a lot of teaching that is massively contrary to the Bible. Let's name just a few: purgatory; what it means to be Born Again; salvation by Faith alone, apart from works; Peter was the first head of the church in Rome; the Assumption of Mary into heaven; Transubstantiation. None of these teachings of Catholicism are biblical concepts, they have been "invented" by the Roman Catholic Church over the centuries. You have used phrases like " constantly and consistently believed" which, as Mike has pointed out clearly, both here and elsewhere, with evidence, just is not true.

[@jediv9492]

​ @Paul Mualdeave *Too bad. Luther did not add "alone". Romans 3:28 used to have the word "alone" in multiple Old Catholic Bibles. R ct deleted them. Augustine, Ambrose all used "Faith Alone" for this verse in their writings. Many early writers preached on Salvation Not by Works too. Two third of NT says Salvation is Not By WOrks.* *In the first place, Faith Alone doctrine refers to "Salvation NOt By WOrks" and it comes from Eph 2:8-9. Doctrines do not need exact word to be true.* you said The problem with Sola Fide is it adds “alone” after faith in Scripture and we see examples of other things doing what Luther said only faith did. That is why Paul only says “faith”, he doesn’t say “faith alone”.

[@markdennis122]

It is important to clarify a few points regarding the interpretation of Romans 3:28 and the doctrine of "Faith Alone": The addition of "alone" to Romans 3:28: The claim that Martin Luther added the word "alone" (sola) to Romans 3:28 is a historical misunderstanding. The word "alone" does not appear in the original Greek text of Romans 3:28, and Luther's translation into German accurately reflects this. Early Church Fathers and the interpretation of Romans 3:28: While Augustine and Ambrose are revered Church Fathers, their writings should not be understood as universally supporting the specific interpretation of "Faith Alone" as it is understood in some Protestant traditions. It is essential to consider the broader context of their writings and teachings on salvation, which emphasize the importance of faith, grace, and the transformative power of God in the life of believers. Salvation by faith and works: The Catholic Church does not teach salvation by works alone but rather a balanced understanding of faith and works. This perspective is in line with the teachings of the New Testament, which emphasize the cooperation of faith and good works (James 2:14-26). Ephesians 2:8-9, often cited in discussions of "Faith Alone," speaks of salvation as a gift of God's grace received through faith. However, it does not exclude the importance of good works, as the following verse, Ephesians 2:10, highlights the necessity of performing good works that God has prepared for us. In summary, the Catholic Church's understanding of salvation is based on a holistic interpretation of Scripture that acknowledges the role of faith and works. While there may be differing interpretations of specific verses, it is important to consider the teachings of the early Church, the entirety of Scripture, and the authoritative interpretation of the Church in understanding complex theological doctrines such as salvation.

[@jediv9910]

@@markdennis122 *You are telling me Catholic Bibles mistranslated it and Roman ct is full of contradictions.* *The word "alone" does not really matter. Faith Alone doctrine is basically "Salvation Not by Works" doctrine.* you said The addition of "alone" to Romans 3:28: The claim that Martin Luther added the word "alone" (sola) to Romans 3:28 is a historical misunderstanding. The word "alone" does not appear in the original Greek text of Romans 3:28, and Luther's translation into German accurately reflects this. Early Church Fathers and the interpretation of Romans 3:28: While Augustine and Ambrose are revered Church Fathers, their writings should not be understood as universally supporting the specific interpretation of "Faith Alone" as it is understood in some Protestant traditions. It is essential to consider the broader context of their writings and teachings on salvation, which emphasize the importance of faith, grace, and the transformative power of God in the life of believers. Salvation by faith and works: The Catholic Church does not teach salvation by works alone but rather a balanced understanding of faith and works. This perspective is in line with the teachings of the New Testament, which emphasize the cooperation of faith and good works (James 2:14-26). Ephesians 2:8-9, often cited in discussions of "Faith Alone," speaks of salvation as a gift of God's grace received through faith. However, it does not exclude the importance of good works, as the following verse, Ephesians 2:10, highlights the necessity of performing good works that God has prepared for us. In summary, the Catholic Church's understanding of salvation is based on a holistic interpretation of Scripture that acknowledges the role of faith and works. While there may be differing interpretations of specific verses, it is important to consider the teachings of the early Church, the entirety of Scripture, and the authoritative interpretation of the Church in understanding complex theological doctrines such as salvation.

[@WhyCatholicdotCom]

The video description says: "Refuting foundational claims to Catholic authority. Why you DON'T need to believe what the Vatican says. If we reject the authority claims of the Roman Catholic Church than we no longer have any reason to embrace their unbiblical teachings on things like purgatory, the papacy, the priesthood, indulgences, the insufficiency of grace, the Apocrypha and the bodily assumption of Mary." You don't have to believe what the Vatican says God gives us autonomy believe what you want. So you can freely reject its authority but then whose authority will you accept? Mike's? A couple of reasons why you can't say you will rely on scripture alone. 1. You make yourself the authority of how to interpret. 2. Men had to agree on scripture it didn't fall from the sky 3. 35,000 + denominations have shown that that doesn't work either. No way God would have left it that confusing The fact is Jesus left One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church Peter taught that “no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God” (2 Pet. 1:20-21) and went on to warn about those who taught without authority: “There will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction” (2 Pet. 2:1). and in 2 Timothy we read: 3 “For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears, they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. 4 So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths” The real irony of “Bible alone” is those who claim it heard it from someone else, it is not in the Bible. The Bible doesn’t even have a table of content to tell followers what books should be contained in the Bible. So walk away from Rome all you want just understand what you doing you are becoming your church

[@joemerlin152]

I noticed catholics love quoting 1st Timothy 2. Might I ask why they ignore the prophecy about not marring and banning certain foods? After I left the catholic church this chapter stood out because it literally word for describes the catholic church.

[@MG-zx2sp]

WhyCatholic You are right on the explanation. ♥️

[@kzzimmerman1426]

Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain. 1 Cor 15:58

[@sweetsav11]

meaning that it's not meaningless (like how the world returns to dust) our work is for god's glory, not that your works save you.

[@ericcasey7593]

@@sweetsav11 Amen.

[@darshankumara.e4763]

DEAR brother, that's really Good..you are making a greatest point to adress all those in this world, kindly keep up your body language, and especially keep away that mocking laugh...since you are talking on behalf of the truth ..which is true all the time... God bless you...

[@KristiLEvans1]

Catholic apologists will quote Galatians 1:8. That verse doesn’t slow them down. They take it to mean Scripture and any teaching declared magisterium of the Church.

[@brianetheredge7323]

Not only do Catholics hear that Matt 16:18 in CCD their whole lives...I asked a priest about why Peter isn't mentioned in Acts past Chap 15, and the priest became menacing, threatening. Even asking the question will cause some Catholics to become hostile, without any real thought or reason, other than the threat to the authority of the RCC.

[@bridgefin]

So if Scripture isn't written the way you want it, then Jesus either lied in Matt 16 or he was misquoted. Yes, every man is his own pope.

[@brianetheredge7323]

@@bridgefin More anger, less expository truth from that passage...have you read Matt 16:13-20? Do you know the question to which Peter responded correctly? Are you aware that two different words, petrus for "rock" and petreos for Peter, are used in that passage? No, I'm not my own pope. The authority for the Church comes from Christ Jesus, God the Son, not a man elected by other men in Rome or any other city.

[@bridgefin]

@@brianetheredge7323 The Catholic Church was not established on Matthew's Gospel. It was founded on Jesus' words spoken to the apostles in Aramaic and in which cephas meant only "rock". No serious Protestant scholar accepts the silly petra argument.

[@brianetheredge7323]

@@bridgefin Uh, actually...all Catholic and Protestant Greek scholars agree that "Peter" is actually "Πέτρος," which is Koine Greek for "a rock, a stone," and Jesus refers to Himself as "πέτρᾳ," Koine Greek for "a large crag, bluff or block of stone." Jesus may have said it in Aramaic, but the Holy Spirit, God, inspired the author, Matthew, to write his original in Greek. Nonetheless, the context reveals the word play Jesus used to emphasize that His church will be built on Himself, the Word of God referred to in John 1. Peter, while an amazing apostle and wonderful man of God, was simply not referred to as anything sort of 'bishop of Rome.'

[@bridgefin]

@@brianetheredge7323 The church was established on the words of Jesus long before Matthew wrote anything. It was established on Peter as its leader. I think that carries the day. Your interpretation of Matthew contradicts what was actually done. No scholar accepts the petra/petros argument as carrying any weight. Jesus clearly said that he was building his church on the Cephas he had just named. Jesus is the king of his kingdom and Peter is his master of the palace.

[@jmdsservantofgod8405]

Let’s drop all the denominational names! Let’s all be Jesus Sheep cuz that’s what Jesus called his followers! Let’s love God and love people like Jesus said! Faith in Jesus…..who he is and what he accomplished! It gets us home to God!

[@Tami8161]

This is really fascinating information, and I'm enjoying the whole series. I'd really love to dig deeper...I'd love to know where to continue my own research into all of this. Any suggestions on more reading, videos, whatever? I've watched 3 of these videos so far, and I'm enjoying every minute--time well spent. Thank you SO MUCH!!!

[@jedmusic5241]

Go to Catholic in websites, and then go to the Bible

[@CalvinGomes]

Go listen to Catholic apologists instead of this misinformation. It's like listening to an atheist explain what Chrisitans believe rather than listening to what Christians actually say. No wonder people have twisted understandings of Catholic teaching. Just go to the source.

[@Pogramista]

@@CalvinGomes I went to the source itselft and... nothing special, basically the same what this pastor says :/

[@michelemcguire8995]

Well there's tons of videos on KZbin that can drag you down every rabbit hole there is

[@jamjuice]

A friend of mine wrote a book on this topic called “Rome’s Audacious Claim”. Highly recommended!

[@samanthakwait8782]

My Catholic friends back in grade school would always say we were the same. But I always knew we were very different.

[@bridgefin]

You were so correct! Your Catholic friends could say that their faith follows Jesus as he asked to be followed. Your "Christian" friends could say that they built their own church assemblies with no direction connection to Jesus. There is a world of difference between them.

[@jediv9910]

​@@bridgefin *I agree ... Roman Catholicism has nothing to do with God/Jesus or Scriptures. It's a man made religion. That's the difference.* *Bible defines Church as assembly of believers of Christ. All believers of Christ are already connected to Jesus. Why do you claim otherwise? Explain coherently intelligently.* you said You were so correct! Your Catholic friends could say that their faith follows Jesus as he asked to be followed. Your "Christian" friends could say that they built their own church assemblies with no direction connection to Jesus. There is a world of difference between them.

[@bridgefin]

@@jediv9910 You make a better demon than a follower of Christ. It was man made by Jesus, the Man!

[@jediv9910]

@@bridgefin *Yes you deflect and issue ad hominems when you cannot answer. I can understand your predicament. Roman Catholics are such.*

[@jediv9910]

​@@bridgefin *It is clear you cannot answer my Simple Question: Bible defines Church as assembly of believers of Christ. All believers of Christ are already connected to Jesus. Why do you claim otherwise? Explain coherently intelligently.*

[@Seethi_C]

If there is no institution with authority, then how is a Christian supposed to know what is actually true? You can't argue that the Bible is is a sufficient authority. Baptists and Lutherans both hold to Sola Scriptura, yet both believe in vastly different doctrines. Which one is right? They can both make their arguments with Scripture. The Bible without an authoritative Church is just a person reading their own theology into the Scriptures.

[@Iffmeister]

I think the issue with that is that regardless of whether that's true or not, Catholicism has made huge mistakes in their own interpretation. There are things that we CAN know about God and things that we definitely cannot fully understand. Things we can know? 1. God is a triune God - he is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. 2. The Bible is inspired of God, it is his very word and revelation. 3. Human beings are separated from God by their sin, and need to be reconciled to him by repenting from sin and believing in Jesus. 3. Jesus was God and Man, the God-man, who came to show us the way the God - himself. 4. Jesus atoned for our sins on the cross, to save sinners. 5. When we believe in Jesus, we are justified by our faith and made right with God. 6. We live our lives out of love for God and for people, as love is the fulfillment of the law and is the way of Jesus. Our mandate is to preach the gospel and to make disciples of Jesus. 7. God has given us the holy spirit to fill us, sanctify us, and to empower us to share the gospel. 8. there is a real heaven and hell, the eternal destination of the righteous (through faith in Christ/being a part of God's people) and the damned, those who reject God and remain seperated from him. 9. Jesus will come back, in the end, to bring in the full manifestation of the new creation.

[@wid0maker]

You are wrong. The problem is not the bible....its people twisting the bible to suit their own beliefs instead of letting the bible speak for itself. When people let the bible speak for itself they always come to the same conclusion....the one the bible meant to give. Hell if you wanna get real the catholic church says they follow the bible as well yet they come up with completely differently things than the protestants....but the protestant will use the bible itself to prove what they say....while the catholic will always fall back to church sayings or elders or church authorities....because plainly the bible flat out contradicts Roman catholic beliefs

[@nicki9993]

I wouldn't say they have vastly different doctrines at all. We can disagree on non-essentials - things that don't affect our salvation.

[@bornagain9192]

For me I know the truth from reading scripture,believing it rereading it until it comes to me "spiritully" it seems as literally to, and inside may heart and soul I know it is truth. And parts I have not understood on my own I usually understand from bible study , talking to others. Also from my daily,hourly personal relationship with J.C. inwitch fulfills every aspect of my glorious path following our great lord almighty savior CHRIST JESUS LORD OF LORDS KING OF.KINGS, for I cant trust.any "church" they all.are being infiltrated by the spirit of anti christ,GODBLESS ALL AMEN.

[@bornagain9192]

When I read scipture along with my personal relationship with Jesus that is all I need to have it start flowing into me the glorious holy righteousness of scripture from my lord and savior perfect glorious JESUS who I talk with every night and day in prayer, thought,studying, writing down all my thoughts in my notebooks learning and growing in Jesus every day, this fulfills me as nothing before I was baptized I truly am the "new" man,born again in CHRIST JESUS GOD BLESS ALL,AMEN

[@xantherea0954]

Dave Hunts book "A woman rides the beast" is THE best, most thoroughly researched and referenced work on this subject that you will find. It is excellent and very in depth. An ex catholic, I finally understood the depth of this deception. Come out of her if you call yourself Jesus's.

[@kellystrauss9888]

Do you partake in the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity as Jesus instructed us to? Let me guess, you took Him literally when He said, "Call no man Father." But refuse to take Him literally as the unblemished lamb that gave us His life giving sacrifice. In what way am I not Jesus's. He lives inside of me!

[@georgepenton808]

Catholics have the feast (the Holy Eucharist). Protestants only look at the menu.

[@PInk77W1]

Dave Hunt goes to the Vatican to make videos. The pope doesn’t go to Dave Hunts house to make videos. I doubt the pope has the slightest clue who Dave Hunt is. LoL. Too funny

[@tommyboyindy1157]

I doubt the current pope has the slightest clue who Jesus is either.

[@PInk77W1]

Thomas Blackburn That doesn’t change the Catholic faith one bit.

[@jediv9910]

​ @Mark Dennis *Thank you for admitting Eph **2:10** is "the result of salvation". WHich means "believers were already saved" before that. Eph 2:8-9. This is already Faith Alone doctrine of Christians. This is Not a Roman Catholic doctrine at all.* *Bible is clear:* - Salvation is Not By Works ( *By Faith Alone* ) - Eph 2:8-9. - Practical Christian Living is By Works ( *Not By Faith Alone* ) - Eph 2:10, James 2, Mat 7, Gal 5:22, 1 Cor 13. you said From a Catholic perspective, Ephesians 2:10 highlights that good works are an integral part of the Christian life, but they are not the means by which an individual initially receives salvation. Rather, they are the result of salvation and the transforming work of God's grace in the life of a believer.

[@johnnywishbone932]

I have never met one catholic who had was filled with the Holy Spirit. I know there are some out there, but my experience is all I can speak to. It's so sad when they pound their chest with pride and have no idea of one of the biggest gifts from God. God bless anyone who reads me comment.

[@johnnywishbone932]

@@jgood6088 No disrespect intended but I haven't attended a mass. I don't doubt it because those with ears will hear. Just the people I have been around didn't even bring the feeling of fellowship I get from other believers.

[@theoprt]

@@johnnywishbone932 that depends on your understanding of worship if your understanding is having a rock band jumping up and down and making a noise with every body doing their own thing yes then you are right the catholic church is more about respect for Gods monarchy and veneration than self gratification.

[@johnnywishbone932]

@@theoprt I am trying to learn.

[@johnnywishbone932]

@@jgood6088 The Comforter that walks the journey with you. Tells you right from wrong from speaking to your spirit. The difference between disciplined rituals and a way of life. I read the Word daily because the renewal of my mind wants to it's not a routine. I constantly meditate and reflect on the word and the teachings of Christ. I just want to learn. I guess my original statement was a blocked headed and I apologize for that. I really want to learn.

[@theoprt]

@@johnnywishbone932 in order to learn you need to learn to understand the bible and know how to interpret it and the best place to do that is through the catholic catechism that is available on line and from there if you have questions on specific topics is to ask them on catholic apologetic sites like catholic answers that will be able to help you and if there is a priest in your area you might want to get in contact with him that would be very helpful as well but you will not come right on your own.

[@NoC7-o2w]

Thank you dear brother I am learning a great deal about the catholic church of which my family is very much a part of and my goal is to keep taking the Gospel to them. And knowing exactly what they believe in their Catholicism is an awesome tool to help them see the truth. 🙂

[@georgepenton808]

Catholics believe in Jesus. So why do you need to evangelize them?

[@darkwater482]

George Penton because the church teaches that Jesus' sacrifice was not enough. That you also need the church and indulgences and even if you perfectly follow church doctrine you must endure purgatory. Even the pope, God's man on earth has to go to purgatory. Can you not see how this cheapens the sacrifice of Jesus? His sacrifice was enough! The Bible tells us so over and over. While hanging on the cross he said i"t is finished". He took our sins to the grave with him. All of them past, present, and future. When you are born again you go to heaven, there is no purgatory nor is there a need. You are judged, either born again, or guilty. Jesus didn't tell the thief on the cross he was going with him to purgatory, he said paradise. God says when you are born again he casts you sins as far as the east is from the west. He says he will remember them no more. Acts 4:12 says salvation exists in no other. Jesus said I am the way, the truth, and the life:no man cometh unto the Father but by me. (John 14:6). Jesus said except a man be born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God.

[@ald67]

@@darkwater482 , you should know Catholics believe His sacrifice is enough but we are justified by His Resurrection. That means faith was NEVER alone. Faith alone (without love of Gid, a gift) is not a Christian faith .1 Cor. 13:2. To be a Protestant means to ignore what the Church really teaches, so you go alone to read your own theology in the Bible

[@bridgefin]

You will not get a very good understanding of Catholic belief here. If you REALLY want that you need to go to a Catholic video.

[@johnyang1420]

Noelia, stay Catholic. Jesus started Catholic church. Mike wants to lead you out of the Catholic church.

[@jacktyrell8496]

I don't refute or protest Catholic authority, I deny that it ever had any. When I was preparing to enter a monastery I cited scripture. My bishop said to me "Only we (Rome) can properly interpret the bible, because we wrote it."

[@gracielong3566]

I agree with you that they never had authority to begin with... That bishop was full of crap. Catholics had no part in writing the Scriptures. Lies.

[@AmeeraG242]

100%%

[@AnnetteMurphyger]

No the RCC didn't write the Bible. Such arrogance.

[@frisco61]

So you threw away your calling because of one dumb bishop? Just as well I guess.

[@frisco61]

@@gracielong3566 The Bible came out of the Church, not the other way around. It’s basic history. You might want to go read up on the subject, Mike really does not understand the topic.

[@jediv9910]

​ @Mark Dennis *Yes which Bible did not say so. So its man made doctrines.* you said The Catholic Church's understanding of salvation is based on a comprehensive interpretation of Scripture, tradition, and the teachings of the early Church fathers. While it is true that the specific equation you mentioned ("faith + good works + partake in sacraments + submit to the pontiff + be in the Church + devotion to Mary = salvation") is not explicitly stated in a single verse of the Bible, it represents a summary of the Catholic Church's comprehensive understanding of the Christian life and the means of obtaining salvation.

[@Richquicc]

LOL! we sang "Your Grace Is Enough" today at mass...we also sing "How He Loves" "Amazing Grace" and "How Great Is Our God" on a regular basis just to name a few.

[@schwartzkm]

I'm protestant but Mike should engage a catholic apologist just to fairly represent the catholic position. Get off the Jack Chick tracts and do some real research

[@kellystrauss9888]

Your "Grace is Enough" was written by a Catholic artist! Peace be with you!

[@berean4todayx142]

Kevin Schwartzkopf He would be wasting his time, that’s why. We Christians believe God’s Word is the only authority, so it does zero good to “debate” anyone who doesn’t believe that.

[@schwartzkm]

@Patrick Montgomery I have little clue what you are trying to say or ask me but will take a shot at it. Yes, I am a protestant. Every believer not joined to Rome are in varying degrees protesting the Catholic church. I am studying Roman Catholicism and Orthodox church and typically enjoy Mike's presentation but this one was not his best effort and I'll leave it at that. He's doing a great job--better than I'm doing--and I came on a bit to harsh. I stand by my comment and feel he was using "strawman " arguments and not "steelman" arguments

[@schwartzkm]

@@berean4todayx142 than make sola Scriprura the topic of discussion with someone like Jimmy Aiken or Scott Hahn. (Names are butchered I'm sure) You nailed the heart of the issue, by the way, because it boils down to how each group understands authority. Great insight.

[@kellystrauss9888]

St. Augustine "[T]here are many other things which most properly can keep me in [the Catholic Church's] bosom. The unanimity of peoples and nations keeps me here. Her authority, inaugurated in miracles, nourished by hope, augmented by love, and confirmed by her age, keeps me here. The succession of priests, from the very see of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after his resurrection, gave the charge of feeding his sheep [John 21:15-17], up to the present episcopate, keeps me here. And last, the very name Catholic, which, not without reason, belongs to this Church alone, in the face of so many heretics, so much so that, although all heretics want to be called 'Catholic,' when a stranger inquires where the Catholic Church meets, none of the heretics would dare to point out his own basilica or house" (Against the Letter of Mani Called 'The Foundation' 4:5 [A.D. 397]).

[@bryan922]

Kelly Strauss unanimity of the church means nothing. Especially when there is unity amongst Muslims, Mormons, and Jehovah’s witnesses. Unity means nothing unless the union is with Christ. Why do Catholics add to the way Jesus says to pray? Why do Catholics pray to anyone but the Heavenly Father? Mary can do nothing for your sanctification or salvation. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life; no man comes to the Father except through Him (Jesus). Consensus can be wrong. This is demonstrated time and time again in the Bible. The Israelites were in consensus to build a golden calf at Sinai. They were in consensus to kill Jesus. Consensus based on the traditions of men and the Catholic Church divides GOD’S GLORY amongst created beings (Mary, Saints, the pope and bishops). I pray that my catholic brothers and sisters see that God is the only one worth exultation and praise.

[@elizabethrothery3676]

Correction Luke Chapter 1. And I thought you responded under another long thread I saw Kelly having with another girl. Maybe it was deleted?? ✌🏻

[@bryan922]

kim burley no I take the Bible for what it is, the word of God. I do not believe that Jesus was created and I certainly would never believe I could become a god. I trust in Jesus completely and I will never be a part of a cult, catholic or Mormon.

[@kellystrauss9888]

@@bryan922 This is why I SUBMIT to the authority of the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH instituted by Christ and passed down through the ages by the laying on of hands. Who ever said that Mary has anything to do with our salvation? Did your Pastor tell you that? Mary is to be honored as the mother of God and to be called blessed by all ages. We ask for her prayers. Jesus is our King and we worship him alone! Like I have stated before on this thread. In the 1hr and 15min Mass (which is our worship service) Mary's name is mentioned one time!! Glory is given to Christ ALONE! In an effort to stop the spreading of lies and misinformation about the Catholic Church. You can read this quick explanation of the Catholic Mass. Many Catholics go daily, but we are required to go every Sunday. presentationparish.org/sites/pparish/files/uploads/documents/a_walk_through_the_mass.pdf

[@bryan922]

Kelly Strauss Jesus told us how to pray and that does not include the name of Mary. If your church aligned with scripture then I would be inclined to believe you but, just like the Mormon churches claim to authority, the Catholic Church claims authority based on tradition. Jesus said, “all authority in heaven and on EARTH has been given to me”. I’ll take His word over the words of imperfect men any day.

[@Drakemiser]

I don't know that if I was arguing for the authority of the Catholic Church, that I would say, "Hey. You have to do what we say because we're just like the Pharisees!" lol.

[@spirit-walkerwaters4521]

MORE SUPPORT PROOF: YES! In the New Testament, no “bishop” had jurisdiction over the bishops or presbyters of other churches ever! Not one of the 12 apostles, let alone all 12, passed on their authority to any successors. The apostles Christ chose was for laying down of the firsthand foundation of Christ and for them to show Christ was the fulfillment of what the Prophets, who were also eyewitness, had spoken and written of what they saw, and heard firsthand. That foundation was already laid. It was competed before the apostles died, and they were bringing in members/disciples into the BODY OF CHRIST/ the spiritual building. They did as Christ told them and that’s why the New Testament clearly establishes the major doctrines of the Church right in Scripture, like the vital doctrines of the atonement, resurrection and justification by faith alone. It's plainly outlined with many scriptural references, so no one is left in no doubt on the pivotal doctrines of the Church of Christ or left in any doubt regarding the specific content of the Gospel message itself, as Acts 16: 30-31, Acts 26:1-23, Romans 4: 24-25, Romans 10: 9-10, 1st Corinthians 2: 1-2, and 1st Cor. 15:1-4, to name a few. The idea that Peter was the first pope, or chief leader is LOOSELY based on Matthew 16:18, and that is a grandiose deception that he was chief church leader. The biblical practice of the 'laying on of hands" wasn't for making more apostles nor for succession. That along with the fact that the office of 'bishop' has no New Testament authority or precedent, which denies any false claims of succession. Trying to appeal to the Old Testament to force ‘apostolic succession when none is there, is lame indeed. Joshua didn't succeed Moses. Moses had a unique and special calling and role. Joshua led the Israelites into the Promised Land because Moses screwed up and God told him he couldn’t enter. Besides that, the leadership structure of the former congregation in the wilderness is utterly defunct under the New Covenant, as the Book of Hebrews makes very clear in Hebrews 7:12. Matthias being chosen to replace Judas as the 12th apostle is also not succession because Judas betrayed the Lord. So, Matthias being chosen to replace Judas is only proof to replace ungodly leaders, such as Judas, when necessary. Plus, the one chosen had to an eyewitness while Christ was still with them and witnessed the crucifixion and Christ being taken up. Nowhere in the New Testament are any of the twelve apostles ever recorded as passing on their apostolic authority to successors. Nowhere do any of the apostles predict that they will pass on their apostolic authority at any point. Jesus ordained the apostles to build the foundations of the church upon the chief cornerstone of HIMSELF. Mark 9:38-40 and Luke 9:49-50 contain a comment of Jesus too often carelessly overlooked by Catholics and here is what JESUS HIMSELF SAID IN Mark 9:38-40 "And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. BUT JESUS SAID, FORBID HIM NOT: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me." Luke 9:49-50 " And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us." The Catholic Church HAS NO RIGHT TO ITS POMPOUS CLAIMS! The disciples had tried to stop another man, who was unknown to them, from carrying the message of Jesus to others. In His quick retort to them, Jesus effectively told the disciples that they themselves would have no private ownership of the Gospel, nor exclusive rights to its message, but - rather - that it would be open and accessible to all. This one Scripture strongly challenges the hierarchical approach towards church government It was needful that these men alone such build the foundation of the Church. Their ministry fulfilled the office of apostleship, which no longer exists. Secondly, nowhere in the New Testament is it stated that the office of 'Elder' should be passed on in such a manner either. It’s appropriate to lay hands on a new elder, but this is about requesting God to confer the gifts of ministry upon such a man, it is absolutely nothing to do with “apostolic succession.” Christ nipped it at the get go so that any future institutional of men who ever claimed exclusive ownership of the gospel message, they would be shown to be without divine authority, which is what Catholicism is. Also, history of the Catholic Church during the Roman Empire clearly demonstrates that "so-called "apostolic succession" didn't protect this manmade institution from heresy at all. Most of the heresies in the early Church were either initiated or propagated by the clergy themselves. The Roman Catholic Church's accusation that Protestantism, with no system of agreed 'apostolic succession' of leadership, must inevitably lead to much more confusion, which is a lame excuse for its own hypocrisy and wicked past! The Roman Catholic Church teaches ITS OWN extraneous, non-biblical messages and does so to deceive and support ITSELF not God's Word. In fact, Simony, which is the buying of the office of "pope" pope' or bishop for money, or favors has been done in the Catholic Church, which is MORE PROOF of its true wretchedness and position! At least Protestants believe that calling to the ministry must be a work of the Holy Spirit alone, rather than any system of hierarchical structure. I'm not a Protestant because many of those "branches" and labels are not biblical. There were no Catholics or Protestants in the early church. They were all called The Church of Christ, and the family of God. All True Christian churches should believe the authority is the Word of God and of the Word of God and the work of the Spirit of God is paramount above all!

[@georgepierson4920]

And yet, you are a Protestant.

[@kevincruz4093]

@@georgepierson4920 he says he isn’t in the last paragraph 🙄 much better to believe the word than the church tho. I wouldn’t want to follow someone who accepts Buddhist statues and idolatry and says we must accept them all.

[@catholictruth102]

“It is impossible for the most true God, who is Truth Itself, the best, the wisest Provider, and the Rewarder of good men, to approve all sects who profess false teachings which are often inconsistent with one another and contradictory, and to confer eternal rewards on their members. For we have a surer word of the prophet, and in writing to you We speak wisdom among the perfect; not the wisdom of this world but the wisdom of God in a mystery. By it we are taught, and by divine faith we hold one Lord, one faith, one baptism, and that no other name under heaven is given to men except the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth in which we must be saved. This is why we profess that there is no salvation outside the [Catholic] Church.” *Ubi Primum* Pope Leo XII

[@spirit-walkerwaters4521]

@@catholictruth102 That's indocrinated baloney. The Apostle is warned about false teachers in the body of Christ! No man is infallible at any time and the lying bishops and cardinals who contend for the Papal seat are false teachers, as well as every Pope that came from the seat of Constantine. The pagan Roman Emperors were called Pontificus Maximus and the head of that blasphemous State religion, and every Pope that takes that title is a paganistic and blasphemous False teacher. Constantine was never a Christian, he did what he did for political reasons only and every pagan superstition was adopted by the church he oversaw when he "legalized" Christianity. You don't know Biblical or church history because you follow the teachings of self-elevating, self-proclaimed and greedy men, and real Christians know why that blasphemous Church killed millions and tried to keep the Bible out of the hands of people and even burnt Bibles when they began to be printed! No man has a say who gets into the kingdom of God but Christ!

[@allthestarsaredead]

7:00 The Deuterocanon was “infallibly” in the Catholic Canon since at least the Council of Florence. To say the Catholic Church added books after the Protestant Reformation is the height of absurdity. The Orthodox Church (the Church I’m a member of) has all of these books in our canon. We’ve been distinct churches since at least 1054.

[@John-gr1qb]

@@retrograd332 So the early church was led in error for 1,500 years until Luther came around and changed the Bible? Seriously.. ask yourself that? So you are saying that the early Church ratified the wrong scriptures until the Reformation?

[@SammyJ..]

Much earlier than Florence. See the councils of Rome, Carthage, and hippo. Jerome was influenced by the rabbinic Jewish scholars he studied with but accepted the decision of the pope to include the deuterocanon

[@kellystrauss9888]

@@retrograd332 Jerome included them in his Latin Vulgate... I would say with the guidance of the Holy Spirit... I mean the Bible is the inspired Word of God.... is it not?

[@ea-tr1jh]

@@SammyJ.. Jerome didn't accept the decision to ratify the deuterocannon. He was completely against the deuterocanon and it was only after he died that the deuterocannon was added to his translation.

[@kellystrauss9888]

@@ea-tr1jh You are wrong. WHY DID LUTHER FIGHT THE CHURCH TO REMOVE THE BOOKS... if THEY DIDN'T NEED TO BE REMOVED??? Goodness - you Protestants have not a clue!!!!!!!!!

[@jediv9492]

​ @Paul Mualdeave *Bible teaches childlike faith. Not Work for Salvation.* Mar 10:15 Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it." Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

[@joistevens4454]

My eyes were opened after I was saved out of NewAge deception and then God showed me the falseGospel of the Catholic Church! It has been difficult because my husband is completely brainwashed. I’m praying for him.

[@langleybeliever7789]

Keep hitting him with scripture.

[@justinclark9839]

Really appreciate your videos. Studying The Reformation and near subjects to see the early path of direct Grace through a relationship with Jesus, no one else, in simpler times. You and Ryan Reeves are currently my favorite two video producers.

[@justinjimenez6960]

I'd like people's thoughts on this, based on the Catholic Church's assertion that "Peter is the Rock on which the Church is built". The highest concentration of the words 'rock'/'stone' in the Bible are in 1Pet 2:4-8. Peter uses these words 9 times in these 5 verses, each time referring to either Jesus or other believers - never himself. Perhaps this idea was already floating around when he wrote his letter, and he was dropping some strong hints not to believe it?

[@sheilasmith7779]

JUSTIN: What is the " this?" I believe the " this, " is not Peter, but a belief, a doctrine, to which Peter was directed to carry forward. Otherwise the words would have been, " upon YOU."

[@justinjimenez6960]

@@sheilasmith7779 Agreed. Precisely.

[@sheilasmith7779]

@@margaretlobo9466 Give it a rest, Margaret. How many times have you repeated this church lie? Propaganda never trumps actual history. Go on a religious, silent retreat and pray for Holy Spirit inspiration.

[@sheilasmith7779]

@@margaretlobo9466 Yeah right Margaret. The only accurate statement you made is how trustworthy an historical account is since facts are presented from the view point of the reporter. So if one hears 2 or more accounts that are " significantly," different in details that DO matter, then do some digging, some research. God always reveals truth, to those seeking truth..... not those needing to maintain a belief. We can't be too lazy to invest the time in the search for truth. THEN we each must decide how important that truth is to our worldly well being AND our spiritual well being. Margaret we must all consider that an explanation or an assumption about a corpse that has not decomposed, may not be the cause given; the assumption of cause may be wrong. Less we forget all the " authentic," relics the church sold. Miracles can and do happen for the faithful, be they be Catholic or Baptist.

[@sheilasmith7779]

@@margaretlobo9466 When you can describe the history of the " Great Schism," as distinct from the, "Papal Schism," then what you have to say in support of the RCC might be taken seriously. Therefore, your defense of your RCC beliefs on grounds that there are different perspectives on history has merit, yet there is no denying the history that all historians agree on. Certain events either happened or they didn't. The Great Schism, happened as did the Papal Schism. These events undermine the RCC propaganda of the " One Holy Catholic Church." Which church, which pope, what time?

[@mackdmara]

And...there it is. I am not Catholic on similar grounds. Christ did not say, 'Here you go Peter, take the crown & rule until I return.'. The fact is, the early church was united in message, not structure. Everyone had there field to work, but the only united part was the belief in Christ & following the books of the now Old Testament. The New Testament was most likely oral at this point, & the letters would be copied later to help people know, & later still the Gospels. This idea of a constant structure with a head is false teaching. There were stewards for Christ in each local church, not one head steward. You need leadership,that is true. That is still something that developed. The ability of the Pope to change the Bible is unfortunate. The church organization needs to give interpretations & set rules, but they are not able to change, add, or omit what Christ taught. Odds are the Pope will again. I like the feel of being Catholic, like I like the feel of being Mormon. The trappings are very sweet smelling to the senses, but that sweetness is the smell of rot. No offense to Catholics, parts of my extended family are Catholic, & Mormon. That does not fix what they teach. I want a unified church, but until Jesus returns, I doubt it will happen.

[@bornagain9192]

I feel the "Church" Peter is the "rock" of is Gods people from whatever denominations, I've never recognized theese buildings to be the church or there specific doctrine but a place to gather to celebrate (worship) our Lord and Savior CHRIST JESUS, Amen

[@mackdmara]

@@bornagain9192 The early church was run more by James. The Pope runs into issues if he wants to say Peter was the first Pope. It also gets to what that verse meant. Is that saying true? You have Jesus saying this, & it is true, but there are many rocks in a foundation (assuming Peter is the rock). Peter's testimony was critical, & heavy on the Gospels. What of Paul? What of James? What of the 10 others that were left & the 1 elected to fill the 12? There were many rocks, Peter was just the lead in that case. Christ is the cornerstone, not just a rock. He is what the Church is founded on, not Peter. I would say that the phrase, 'on this rock', is referring to the teaching, not Peter. The teaching is the bedrock to build your faith on, Christ the cornerstone to set your lines by. Keep going to church, no doubt.

[@kellystrauss9888]

The pope never changed the Bible. You have no idea what you are talking about. Give me proof of that statement. For Catholics, the Bible is an infallible collection of infallible books. For Protestants the Bible is a fallible collection of infallible books. I say: pick one (this is a no-brainer).

[@mackdmara]

@@kellystrauss9888 I never said the Pope altered the text of the Bible. What he did do is add books, claim Peter is the first Pope (although James probably lead the church first, even though not being called a disciple), & the Early church had no defined head really, but rather multiple persons who lead different parts of the church, but only united in Christ. The first Pope made up a position & filled it. Maybe for good or ill, that is God's domain. The Pope has also required you believe much, even if the Bible is unclear on that point, or silent on it. Purgatory would be a good point there. So there is much the Pope has done of his own accord. I want to still leave you this. I don't think the Pope means harm, nor do I think he is being unjust in execution of his duties. I just think his duties aren't his to execute. Stay faithful to Christ, even if you doubt a church. Reform & unification is needed. I bear no ill will to Catholics. I would have to hate much of my own family to do that, & I don't.

[@Luciacrestina]

Mormons, Jehovah witnesses are at the same class. 90% of Catholic is scriptural, the rest that is added by the pagans is lethal poison.

[@sarajohnson805]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽great video!!! Those who have ears let them hear!

[@markashlock9017]

I know I am REALLY late to the game, but I pray you have people still monitoring this. I agree with most everything you said, but I had always thought that around the Reformation , the 5 “Catholic” books were taken out by the Protestants, not added by the Catholics. Could you please tell me where you found this as it would help me greatly. Keep up the good work. Thanks!

[@MasterKeyMagic]

he can't because he's lying. There is no such thing as a Bible before 1500 that didnt have at least the Catholic old testament. Even the KJV had it until the 19th century until they took it out

[@ReformedInChrist3]

@@MasterKeyMagic that’s such a lie. In year 170 AD they had 23 books of the New Testament the word of god has always been available

[@ReformedInChrist3]

Look up Muratorian canon in 170 AD they had 23 of the 27 New Testament books. The word of god had always been available. Catholicism is a lie

[@MasterKeyMagic]

@@ReformedInChrist3 I fail to see you point or how having the incomplete canon makes the catholics, were assembled the 27 book canon, wrong. More so than any other denomination, the historical evidence supports the Catholics the most

[@ReformedInChrist3]

@@MasterKeyMagic that the word of god the gospel has always been available. Catholic isn’t biblical. Their teachings aren’t biblical, it’s more so just a renaming of the Pharisees that believe in Jesus but hold fast to man made traditions than the word of god like this series show. The pope doesn’t have final authority the word of god has the final authority. If you don’t believe that then you don’t believe jesus when he said scripture can’t be broken and you must be blind to see how Jesus and Paul held scripture to such a high authority as word of god, 1st Corinthians chapter 4 Paul tells us not to go beyond what is written. But you guys hold your church writings up to the same standard of the Bible but only what you guys choose is good because other old church father teachings you just push aside and only cherry pick what you like

[@ggeckle]

Just curious, he keeps sayin “we believe”, who is “we”? Which authority is he referring to to define what “we” believe?

[@ggeckle]

Never mind listened to some more of his argument. It’s laughable. Almost anyone in my high school youth group could defend the Church from his ridiculous statements. Entertaining but lacks any real substance. Prayers brother.

[@paulgay7625]

@@ggeckle If youre reffering to the Demonic Roman Catholic church,you better research that false religion.Unless youre as blind as millions of others that follow the head demon (the pope).

[@Alfredo8059]

Protestants who assume that Catholic doctrine about the afterlife should be spelled out explicitly in Scripture rarely apply this same standard to their own beliefs about life after death. The Protestant author William Edward Fudge writes: "While the Reformers talked about last things, they never did construct an eschatology using the building blocks of Scripture. . . . Luther and Calvin rejected the Roman Catholic doctrine of purgatory, for example, not because they made a thorough study of scriptural eschatology and found it missing, but because purgatory clearly contradicted the doctrine of justification that they had discovered in the Bible."

[@michellemybelle9591]

I was raised Catholic. Catholic school. NEVER knew the Bible or God or felt close or ANYTHING. Going to church was just a thing that was done. No discussion outside church, no prayer time, except at dinner or the rosary. SMH I was so angry a few months ago, although I've been gone for years, but really just realizing all the things! Thankfully none of my siblings or cousins are in the Catholic church any longer but our moms are... they, thus far, refuse to leave. They certainly have NO fruit. My grandfather once told me as a teen, " the Bible says ON THIS ROCK I ESTABLISH MY CHURCH", I sat there like.... huh?! How does that even translate or interpret into Catholic?! Of course I didn't say it bc I knew my gpa and it wasn't with the debate. OMGosh. You mentioned what I just said.

[@colin1818]

I would rather a family member be a catholic than totally outside the faith. While catholics have absolutely been misled, I believe many of them will still be saved. Obviously, it's preferable that your family be in a church based on scripture and the teachings of the apostles. But there is a far greater hope as a catholic than as an atheist for instance.

[@jodrilg2466]

As a catholic I had never opened a bible to ever read it. Blind and ignorant of God's word I believed the lie for 55 years.Today I live by faith NOT with that lie that was fed to me ( brain washed )when I was an innocent child.

[@mubaibu]

You were a bad Catholic. You never read the Vatican II document "Dei Verbum" or the Apostolic Exhortation "Verbum Domini" both of which encouraged Catholics to read and meditate on the Bible. You also didn't know that you qualified for an indulgence under the usual conditions if you read and meditated on the Gospel for at least 30 minutes every Sunday. I go for Mass every day. I read the Mass readings BEFORE Mass. I do Lectio Divina on the readings AFTER Mass. I also recite the Liturgy of the Hours (Divine Office) which has 12 psalms per day and a long passage from the Bible in the the hour called "Office of Readings". And I have only been a Catholic for 2 years! To God be the glory!

[@Pinkman2107]

@@mubaibu where can you find all of that pointless stuff in gospel?

[@mubaibu]

@@Pinkman2107 Where do we find all that "pointless stuff" about reading in the Bible? If a Roman Catholic is not reading the Bible, it is because he has not opened the Bible and not read it, not because of lack of exhortations from our pastors. All that "pointless stuff" is an exhortation to read the Bible.

[@Pinkman2107]

@@mubaibu No it's just pagan rituals. Sun worship in Catholic church. You know where Mother son worship originates from? Like when you see Mary holding a baby Jesus? From Babylon. Semeramis and Nimrod/Tammuz in Babylon, Isis and Horus in Egypt, Isi and Iswara in India, Parvathi and Murugan in Hinduism etc.... Wake up Catholicism is just a copy of pagan religions. You want to know where Easter came from? EASTER was originally a celebration of Ishtar Babylonian/assyrian goddess of fertility and sex. (Her symbols like bunny and egg) were and still are symbols of fertility and sex or did you actually think that eggs and bunnies had anything to do with resurrection? After Constantine decide to christianize the Empire, Easter was changed to represent Jesus but it's roots is still about sex and fertility.

[@time_2_get_ready]

:'( very sad Jodril Ferndandez but praise Jesus' holy name for the Spirit of Truth Who set you free! and "The Spirit testifies only of Christ"

[@j96569]

I just read the parts of the Deuteroconanical books the CC says is qouted in the NT. If you read the NT passage and what Deuteroconanical passage the CC says it qouted, you realize there is no correlation between the two. They just looked for the same words to appear in both sentences. Example Mark 9v48 is said to refer to Judith16v17. Reading the two you see they have the word "worm" in common. This is however in fact a direct qoute from Isaiah 66v24. The CC clearly depends on Catholics not reading the passages for themselves.

[@anthonyanderson7584]

So what about when the New Testament quotes Wisdom of Solomon or references Maccabees? What about the Old Testament books in the protestant canon that aren't quoted?

[@christclinger6540]

Even in all the evidence that one can provide one still won’t change their mind. The circular reasoning that Mike Winger points out in the 22:00 mark is something that the Catholic will alway use to win arguments. They have the authority because they claim the Bible gave them that authority. The Bible didn’t give you the authority to change the 10 commandments, it didn’t give you the authority to infuse works into a grace based salvation, it didn’t give you the authority to pervert scripture. It didn’t give you the authority to exalt Mary to a divine status. That’s idolatry and should be called out. I reject the Roman Catholic heresy. I pray for all those who have been swindled into this apostate faith. I pray you repent

[@lisawilson1453]

I have had several discussions with some lovely Catholic people over the years, but one thing I noted was that many of them can not defend their beliefs with scripture.

[@freddurstedgebono6029]

Exactly. They’d rather the scripture be wrong or contradictory rather than their narrative be wrong

[@Sentinal6405]

​@@freddurstedgebono6029Exactly the same applies to Protestants you get a dozen different versions on one chapter only Perfect example is Mike Winger he wouldn't last 10 minutes in a debate with a knowledgeable Catholic at least with the uninformed Catholics mentioned they know that they know nothing

[@freddurstedgebono6029]

@@Sentinal6405 Everything you believe come from a line of tyrants who morphed into socialist pedos over time. Spare me your cope, pagan

[@solafide9533]

​@@Sentinal6405 *Really? I would really love to see you cite one example of that. Where?* 1 2 3 *In the first place Bible does say we can differ in interpretations of Debatable Issues. Romans 14, Col 2. So why can't anyone have different interpretations? RCs who do not read the Bible? RCs love attacking Christians who read the Bible; when you don't. Lol. This already shows Roman religion is antiGod and antiGod'sWord.* you said Exactly the same applies to Protestants you get a dozen different versions on one chapter only

[@nihaomao3063]

Then you need to find Catholics who understand their faith. I would do my best to defend my beliefs, but of course I am not hard-hearted, and I'm always open to hear the truth from Protestants when discussing doctrine (except that I'm not sure which doctrine Protestants would defend since there are tens of thousands of denominations). Cheers though. We are all followers of Jesus, and we all believe only in Him we are saved.

[@onofrerigor3161]

Pamela Jean, I agree with you that " God is the final authority, not Rome." It's given.

[@morelmaster]

Catholic's would agree with this. But the Catholic Church is Jesus' Church and is guided by the Holy Spirit, so whatever the Spirit teaches, the Church abides by.

[@georgepenton808]

Rome gets authority from God. The Bible gets its authority from God. Same priniple.

[@markduett1532]

@@georgepenton808 The Bible gets it's authority from God through the Magisteriam of the Church. The one holy apostolic and catholic Church.

[@joshportie]

The Catholic church gets its authority from Satan the god of this world.

[@johnsheedy461]

@@joshportie AND 30K to 40K [ Wikipedia ] disagreeing, bible-verse ignoring or changing, dissing each other Protestant churches get their authority from ? the bible ? Your bible says the CHURCH is the AUTHORITY and the CHURCH is the PILLAR and FOUNDATION of TRUTH ! ! ! This was written 1500 years before Protestantism was invented ! What church would that be ?

[@jediv9910]

​ @randycarson9812 *Yes except we do not see Roman pagan popes, cardinals, priest, friars, monks, nuns in the list. All man made.* you said Deacons (diakonoi) are the assistants of the bishops and are responsible for teaching and administering certain Church tasks, such as the distribution of food (Acts 6:1-6). In the apostolic age, the terms for these offices were still somewhat fluid. Sometimes a term would be used in a technical sense as the title for an office, sometimes not. This non-technical use of the terms even exists today, as when the term is used in many churches (both Protestant and Catholic) to refer to either ordained ministers (as in “My minister visited him”) or non-ordained individuals. (In a Protestant church one might hear “He is a worship minister,” while in a Catholic church one might hear “He is an extraordinary minister of Holy Communion.”) Thus, in the apostolic age Paul sometimes described himself as a diakonos ("servant" or "minister"; cf. 2 Cor. 3:6, 6:4, 11:23; Eph. 3:7), even though he held an office much higher than that of a deacon, that of apostle. Similarly, on one occasion Peter described himself as a "fellow elder," [1 Pet. 5:1] even though he, being an apostle, also had a much higher office than that of an ordinary elder. The term for bishop, episcopos ("overseer"), was also fluid in meaning. Sometimes it designated the overseer of an individual congregation (the priest), sometimes the person who was the overseer of all the congregations in a city or area (the bishop or evangelist), and sometimes simply the highest-ranking clergyman in the local church-who could be an apostle, if one were staying there at the time. Although the terms "bishop," "priest," and "deacon" were somewhat fluid in the apostolic age, by the beginning of the second century they had achieved the fixed form in which they are used today to designate the three offices whose functions are clearly distinct in the New Testament.

[@lemrevett2928]

george pell saying noahs ark is a myth tells me the catholic church has no respect for the bible.

[@LouisaWatt]

George Pell has no respect for the bible, for sure! If he did, he wouldn’t be complicit in abusing kids

[@skellingtonmeteoryballoon]

Did george pell hike out to Mt arrarat ?

[@doug1863]

Pastor Mike. What are those 6 or 7 passages that the rcc interpreted ?

[@ivansupraha4971]

If "Rich man and Lazarus" is a real story than Jesus doesn't know scriptures well :P (i'm joking but lets see why), and than after i'll provide scripture to show it is parable. And than I will provide explanation from scriptures that explains that parable in reasonable way 1.)Nobody has any knowledge while dead, and all his thoughts perished with a dead man, it is describe as a sleep even by Jesus. Scriptural facts about being dead: Psalm 146:4 “His spirit departs, he returns to his earth; In that very day his thoughts perish.” Ecclesiastes 9:10 “Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work nor device nor knowledge nor wisdom in the grave where you are going.” Ecclesiastes 9:5 “For the living know that they will die; But the dead know nothing, And they have no more reward, For the memory of them is forgotten.” Ecclesiastes 12:7 “Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it.” Luke 8:52-55 “Now all wept and mourned for her; but He said, “Do not weep; she is not dead, but sleeping.” And they ridiculed Him, knowing that she was dead. But He put them all outside, took her by the hand and called, saying, “Little girl, arise.” Then her spirit returned, and she arose immediately. And He commanded that she be given something to eat.” Daniel 12:2 “Many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake…” Psalm 31:17 “Do not let me be ashamed, O LORD, for I have called upon You; Let the wicked be ashamed; Let them be silent in the grave.” Psalm 13:3 “Consider and hear me, O LORD my God: lighten mine eyes, lest I sleep the sleep of death.” John 11:11-14 “He said to them, “Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.” Then His disciples said, “Lord, if he sleeps he will get well.” However, Jesus spoke of his death, but they thought that He was speaking about taking rest in sleep. Then Jesus said to them plainly, “Lazarus is dead.”” Facts that Rich man and Lazarus is a parable Mark 4:34 "He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything." Matthew 13:34 "Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable." Rich man and Luke parable was spoken openly on street to a pharisees and other people. Therefore is not scriptural to say this is not a parable because Jesus plainly spoke. And what about rich mans Judgement at white throne? I will proceed with other now but this is still so much important Now explanation of the parable using Scriptures: Lazarus is the Greek spelling of the Hebrew name “Eleazar”. Lazarus/Eleazar was Abraham’s heir and faithful servant. He was also a Gentile (not of the lineage of Abraham). He was later disinherited, due to the birth of Abraham’s son The Gentile (Lazarus) was poor in life, but given the spiritual blessings of Abraham. This is contrasted with an Israelite (the rich man), who had riches in life, yet was spiritually poor because of unbelief. And though the rich man was of the lineage of Abraham, he did not receive the spiritual blessings of Abraham. (To better understand this parable, please also read whole - Romans 11 1. The Lazarus of the parable was Eleazar, Abraham’s steward (Genesis 15:2). 2. He was a Gentile “of Damascus”, “a proselyte of the gate”, who “ate the crumbs.” 3. He was disinherited (to become a beggar), but he remained faithful to Abraham and God. 4. When his earthly life was over, he received Abraham’s inheritance after all (he was in Abraham’s bosom) - in “everlasting habitations.” 5. The Rich Man of the parable was Judah. This son of Jacob had five literal brothers as did the Rich Man. 6. He was also a literal son of Abraham, while Eleazar (Lazarus) was not! 7. The Rich Man (Judah) also had the kingship (purple) and the priesthood (linen). 8. Yet Judah, a representative of God on earth, was not the true steward of the Abrahamic blessings. 9. Though he and his literal brothers had been graced with the “oracles of God” (the Old Testament), they would not respond to The One resurrected from the dead (The Messiah, who is called Christ). 10. The “great gulf” was the Jordan rift valley, the dividing line between Gentile lands and the Holy Land of promise (Abraham’s inheritance). Crossing the Jordan was a typical figure recognized by the Jews as a symbol of salvation. I don't know how much youtube comment is allowing to be big, but read his and after I can show you many verses which describe judgement of the wicked

[@ozSpiral]

I also want to know

[@catholictruth102]

John 3:5 is one.

[@tonydiaz545]

The church did not add 7 books at the council of Trent, study John Gutenberg 1454 printed the 1st bible with 73 books.

[@tonydiaz545]

Pre-eminent, St Peter is mentioned over 190 times, next is St John 29 times and next is St James 19 times and St Peter is no eminent?

[@johnsheedy461]

TONY/D----If they say the church added books, or subtracted or divided, they must be true. They get their "facts" from sites that are fanatically anti-Catholic but very Christian, very loving, as commanded by our Saviour. They would never bear false witness against their neighbour ! [ well hardly ever ! ]

[@tonydiaz545]

@@johnsheedy461 "If they say the church added books" who is THEY? They get their "facts" from sites that are fanatically anti-Catholic but very Christian, very loving, as commanded by our Saviour. So you use the anti-catholic bible by Lorian Boettner, he is a fanatic anti-catholic and this are "facts", please.

[@johnsheedy461]

@@tonydiaz545 THEY are the anti-Catholics that post their unChristian lies here on the internet every day !

[@ronnierubio3445]

@@tonydiaz545 the catholic church added non-inspired word of god at the council of trent as a response that people were over the evil that was going on and tried to keep their power. Thank goodness this happened because the catholic church would rule the world today.

[@jsmith359]

Roman Catholicism prophetically summed up in one verse of Scripture… “For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted-you may well put up with it!” ‭‭II Corinthians‬ ‭11:4‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

[@johnyang1420]

Matthew 16:13-19, Luke 10:16

[@Dagan81]

The early Church was run as a 'Pentarchy' - the Bishop of Rome was 'first among equals', but the Roman Caesar from Constantinople was the head of the Church (or, more like 'protector'). The Pentarchy included the bishopics of Rome, Constantinople, Jerusalem, Antioch, and Alexandria. Coincidentally, in 1054 AD, the Latin and Greek churches split ('The Schism of 1054') - exactly 1,000 years after Nero rose to power as 'Caesar of Rome'. It is said that 'Nero Caesar' (whose patron pagan god was 'Apollo', which is confirmed in Rev. 9:11) through gematria, adds up to '666'. According to the Babylonian Talmud from around the time of the Zealot Revolt, Nero proclaimed himself as 'the Jewish messiah'. Two years later, Second Temple Jerusalem fell.

[@joshportie]

The early church is in acts, not at all run that way.

[@bernadettebecerra2232]

I as a child went to a Catholic Church.a Priest who spoke in his language? Boredom from that Church. I been a born again believer at age 16....I will never walk in a Catholic Church.honestly the Church gives me the creeps. Thank you Brother as a believer for 40yrs I have never heard someone teach the Scriptures as you do. GOD BLESS you.

[@BiblicalSeekers]

Bernadette Becerra 👍

[@1234poppycat]

You had a childish understanding of Christ and HIS Church Winger the Hate Preacher lies about Catholicism something you would have noticed if you understood the Bible and Catholicism.

[@albusai]

It all comes down to whether you believe the atonement done by the Lamb of God was efficient or not

[@jediv9910]

​ @Mark Dennis *This is not interpretation. This is plucking verses out of context and fitting your own man made doctrines into Scriptures. Mat 16 did not say there is a bishop of bishops called pope. Neither Bishop of Rome = pope. Neither Rome is prime. Neither pope = infallible. Neither Roman ct = infallible interpreter. Neither Roman ct = Church CHrist founded.* *Doctrines come from "What Scriptures Does Say". Not from "what Scriptures Does NOt Say". Two or more Scriptures saying the same teachings proves a doctrine.* Example: Verse 1 says you are dull Verse 2 says you are dull Conclude "you are dull" is a doctrine of the faith. *You do not call Roman ct claims as "interpretations". These are taking one verse then using "your own man made narratives as doctrines and Scriptures". This is adding to Scriptures. Rev 22:18-19 is for Roman ct and Roman ct members.* you aisd According to the Gospels in the Bible, Jesus appointed the apostle Peter as the rock upon which He would build His Church, saying, "You are Peter, and upon this rock, I will build my Church" (Matthew 16:18). Catholics interpret this passage as Jesus establishing Peter as the first Pope and giving him a special role of leadership and authority within the Church.

[@Verumnondominatus]

"Many Catholics do not know Catholicism" @9:02. True! There has been a tremendous weakening of catechesis in Christian education within the Church since Vatican II, leading to multiple generations that do not know their faith. These little ones are left nearly defenseless to any number of errors due to the loss of good shepherds.

[@gracielong3566]

I think there is a great exodus occurring that the Catholic Church does not want to acknowledge at all....And I think the little ones are being so systematically abused by those shepherds in the church that when they reach adulthood, they fully walk away from the church and faith in anger and bitterness.

[@aclk1520]

Gracie Long systemically abused? That’s ridiculous. Parents are the first teachers. There is so much deposited(2000+ yrs) about the faith that they barely scratched surface (if they are even going through Catholic schools).

[@johnsheedy461]

@@gracielong3566 GRACIE + OTHERS-----GOOGLE: "Silent Lambs: Jehovas Witnesses and Child Sexual Abuse", AND 'stopbaptistpredators.com', AND "Response Video: November, The Hacker--Child Sexual Abuse "Epidemic" in Protestant Churches" AND "Protestant minister guilty of Rape, Molestation + Sexual Abuse of Kids" [ Exposed ]. The Three Largest Insurance companies that insure Protestant churches in the US. get apox. 260 reports of sex abuse Per Year ! ! ! DON'T CHECK----you won't like the truth ! ! !

[@johnyang1420]

Almost all Protestants dont kmow Catholicism! They hate what they think the Catholic church teaches. Read book Why We Are Catholic by Trent Horn. Nice overview with references.

[@KM-zn3lx]

U r correct. I started questioning it more the more I learned! Original altars had bones or relics of "saints" inside. This is against Jewish and Christian doctrines on necromancy and idol worship. Also I never knew they actually call Mary a co-redemptrix. THAT really got to me as I was not taught that in CCD!

[@rlavender9684]

Peter having authority in Rome would be a miracle since Romans were Hostile to Christians during Peter's life-time. No church had that kind of public influence in Rome let alone the catholic church. I believe they have to bypass the reality of History to make this claim. Rome wouldn't come to accept Christianity until around 312 years later when Constantine was reported to have converted to Christianity and thus outlawed persecution of Christians.

[@DL-rl9bd]

And then the obvious fact that in order to make Christianity more palatable to a pagan and polytheistic culture, they had to infuse rituals and practices, borrowed from the occult and paganism. That’s exactly what Roman Catholicism is! It’s the amalgam of the occult and Christianity. Just look at their unhealthy and obsessive preoccupation with exorcism, demons, praying to the dead, i.e., saints and Mary. These behaviors are anti-Christian and come straight from the occult and paganism.

[@candyclews4047]

You do throw out wild statements such as "even though most Catholics are not pro life or pro marriage". I don't know any Catholic who is not pro life and pro marriage. If you are talking about a handful of corrupt politicians then you need to clarify and be specific.

[@sychaellawinger5448]

Candy Clews Agreed on the abortion issue. Some of the most amazing pro-lifers I’ve met are Catholic!

[@georgepenton808]

Many Catholics who do not practice their faith are pro-abortion and anti-marriage, but true believing Catholics are pro-life and pro-marriage. We have our Joe Bidens and Teddy Kennydys. Protestantism has its Bill Clintons and Barrack Obamas.

[@schneidy81]

@mikewinger - How do we judge an institution? By what it teaches or it's members that fail to live up to the teachings? I find it interesting that people always look at the "black sheep" when criticizing an institution. Why not look at the people that are living up to the teachings? That's a weak argument Mike. The truth of the Catholic Church's teaching are not dependent on its members. I can find people in any church that are not living/ believing what their church professes they should believe.

[@KM-zn3lx]

Candy most Catholics I worshipped with are/ were Democrats. So they voted for abortion and same sex marriage. Plain and simple. Even my mother and most of my family. I got tired of the hypocrisy. Church mainly cares about money especially in the hierarchy.

[@SeanSmith-lv7wl]

K M actually Catholics are 50/50. Most Hispanic Catholics lean left while most white Catholics vote Republican.

[@JCSBP0GI]

Mike winger the bible clearly stated that in Romans 13.1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

[@anthonypolonkay2681]

And yet Jesus himself activly rebuked, and rebelled against what the pharesies, and sagesies would have commanded at his time. So much for a strict interpretation on that front. It's obvious that when authorities become corrupt, one ought to disobey them.

[@jamesjahavey1681]

Have you not found out yet why the Almighty said this>>>>> Revelation 18:4 .I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.

[@johnsheedy461]

J/J/AVEY----Get out of her and join one of the THOUSANDS of conflicting, disagreeing Protestant churches that cannot even agree on what time it is ? They should all chip in and buy a clock-----and start Believing in their bibles ! [ the church IS the authority and the church IS the pillar and and foundation of truth ! ] What church 2000 years ago ?

[@Hypnotoad206]

John Sheedy I encourage you to do some more diligent studying in Revelation and Daniel 7, especially if you haven’t already. God bless

[@donaldcooley897]

John , why do the Catholic keep talking about thousands of protestant Churches and all are difference , Most fundamental protestant Churches Preach and teach the Gospel of Christ for salvation of sinners and peach and teach from the inspired word of God .and not from man made doctrines and dogmas and ritual and traditions that are not scriptural . The catholic Church never tell the catholic sheep that they are sinners and need to repent and ask Christ to for give them of their sins and except him by faith as there savior .You have your ritual and sacraments for the forgiveness of sins an ask the so called priest and the pope to for give you of sin and most protestants do believe in the scriptures that something that the apostate RCC don`t do you believe in the teachings of the Church . you would better talk about your awn apostate Cult and what it believes because it is far from the teaching of Christ and the inspired word of God

[@johnsheedy461]

@@donaldcooley897 Methodist, Baptist, C of C , J/Witness, Presbyterian, Anglican, Mormon, Fundamentalists, Holy Rollers, Souther Baptists, United Baptists, ALL teaching the same meanings for the bible ? Please, give us a break ! "Who's sins you shall forgive"-----and as soon as you die, that's the end of it ! "I give to you, the Keys of the Kingdom" and Feed my lambs etc. and as soon as you die, that's the end of it ! "behold I am with you, even unto the consumation of the world"----and as soom as you die, that's the e nd of it ! Everything HE said was just for one generation, I guess.

[@ald67]

@@donaldcooley897 , with all due respect, you were taught a caricature about Catholicism. You ignore or know distorted what the Catholic Church really teaches. We are told to repent every day. You are fighting a strawman. God bless you

[@deborahruthtrotter2154]

I'd be interested to see/hear what a discussion between Mike Winger and Michael Knowles from Daily Wire would turn out like... or between Mike and Andrew Klavan.

[@arkinthedark3674]

Well Michael Knowles hates White people (unrelated) and they both work for a member of the Assembly of Satan, so maybe not the best representatives of the Church Militant.

[@SaneTheBro]

@@arkinthedark3674 uhh how does knowles have white people?

[@David-pf9xe]

200 Catholic denominations? There are 24 churches in the Catholic Church. 1st being the Latin Church which makes up the vast majority of Catholicism, and then 23 "sui iuris" Eastern Churches which make up a small number of Catholics. All of the churches are part of the Catholic Church equally and hold the same core doctrine and are all in communion with each other. I'd love to see your source of 200 denominations.

[@antonypeterramesh4225]

He might have included the Orders. Jesuits, Franciscan, capuchin etc. To match it up with their 40000sss

[@bartee807]

So inaccurate. This guy really has ego issues. It’s always the root of poor theology isn’t it?!

[@johnsheedy461]

DAVID VINCENT 29----Their source is "Somebody Told Me". What more could you ask ?

[@8dodger7]

The Holy Spirit is not the author of confusion Ephesians 4: 5. There is only 1 True God 1 true faith period, deal with it.

[@bartee807]

8dodger7 David Vincent is defending the Catholic Church here. Maybe you misunderstood? Mike Winger should definitely go watch it though!!!

[@rena6895]

#3 INDULGENCE Is indulgence really a bad thing? Would God seriously disapprove? Does He not chastise us as a loving Father. In the OT we see God’s character over & over chastising & then forgiving Israel after repentance. Is indulgence not a form of true repentance? In the teaching of the Catholic Church, an indulgence (Latin: indulgentia, from indulgeo, 'permit') is "a way to reduce the amount of punishment one has to undergo for sins".[1] The Catechism of the Catholic Church describes an indulgence as "a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and all of the saints". The recipient of an indulgence must perform an action to receive it. This is most often the saying (once, or many times) of a specified prayer, but may also include a pilgrimage, the visiting of a particular place (such as a shrine, church or cemetery) or the performance of specific good works.

[@alishavogel7926]

Repentance is the turning away from what you are doing and getting back on the right path of God and having genuine remorse that your strayed. What you are asking is would God really approve specific works born outnof fear with the *hope* that impacts some future punishment. To me, the whole thing of indulgence is born out of fear instead of genuine heartfelt desire. I don't do xyz acts because I'm afraid to be punished. I do them because they bring me joy because I want to bring joy to the Father. If you sin and repent (to turn away), then all God wants from you is your authentic desire to walk with him.

[@27steve]

Roman Catholic theology teaches that a person can attend a thousand Masses, and still leave this life not fully purified, and go into Purgatory and have another thousand Masses read in their behalf, and still not be fully purified, because their attitude isn’t pure, and the attitude of the priest isn’t pure either. What a horrible trap. Absolutely horrible trap. Mystical mumbo-jumbo right out of the pit to take captive the souls of people.

[@bridgefin]

It's a relationship and not numbers. A man could tell a wife that he loves her a thousand times but then she is mad at him. I guess the number of times did not overcome his lack of faithfulness. Catholicism is reality. Deal with it.

[@27steve]

@Bridgefin I know my sins are forgiven through my relationship with Christ as a born again beleiver through faith. Even the sins I am yet to commit were taken on the cross once and for all. I won't be going to your unbiblical man made purgatory to work my way to heaven. Im so sorry you think that exists. Invented so the RCC could extort money from its followers and make them reliant on their unbiblical works to salvation. God bless you and guide you.

[@bridgefin]

@@27steve You: I know my sins are forgiven through my relationship with Christ as a born again beleiver through faith. Me: You KNOW nothing. You have been told how to interpret Scripture by non-believers and you have accepted that as truth. They have succeeded in making you a non-believer as well. How can you have a relationship with a Jesus whose teachings you reject? How can you have a relationship when he says you have no life within you? You: Even the sins I am yet to commit were taken on the cross once and for all. Me: So were Hitler's. You: I won't be going to your unbiblical man made purgatory to work my way to heaven. Me: Anyone in purgatory is already saved and just being purified before they can enter. Funny how Prots twist language when they don't have an argument. You: Im so sorry you think that exists. Invented so the RCC could extort money from its followers and make them reliant on their unbiblical works to salvation. Me: LOL. Not a single Catholic bishop, cardinal, or pope has his own personal jet. The extortion is on your side with your constant demands for tithing to God. Yea, pastor needs some Jet-A this week, Give generously. You: God bless you and guide you. Me: U appreciate that and send it back to you as well.

[@stever4181]

@@27steve My ex-father-in-law had a brain tumor that was inoperable. As soon as the CC found out he was destined to die the priest was there telling them that if they put the cc in his will his length of time in purgatory would be lessened. I was there at the time this happened. I do not know if they did. Mindless people following a suppressive man-made religion.

[@27steve]

@Steve R hi Steve, yes, it's really sad, and I genuinely feel sorry for our CC brothers and sisters. We have the same issues with some of these health and property pastors who are no better than the example you give. I think your witness of what happened is shocking. The CC invented purgatory for just that reason it's a faith tax on Catholics worshipers. God bless you for your witness.

[@JonnySeghezzi]

Towards the end of your discourse, you mention some French catholic theologian but fail to mention his name. You also say he performed a census on the church fathers to see who claimed Peter was the rock. None of those number add up, because there were only 8 church fathers, and all of them unanimously agreed upon the meaning of Matthew 16. Also, anathema does not mean condemned to hell. It means cut off. Please dont misrepresent doctrines you clearly do not understand.

[@John-gr1qb]

right...this dude has no clue about Biblical history...

[@bornagain9192]

The Pope and the in the loop rest conveniently leave out the "anti" when they speak of Christ that is just known if them that are

[@Ggeg0000]

All the "eight" church fathers agreed on Peter and the Rock? Where do you get eight from? What do you think Paul meant in Galatians 1 when he said "If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed." He meant "cut off"? Yes cut off from Christ and if You are cut off from Christ, you are on your way to Hell. The word anathema means accursed, and someone accursed is on his way to Hell

[@krakoosh1]

JonnySeghezzi you obviously don’t understand catholic doctrine if you don’t understand what cut off means. You are cut off from the church. And the RCC teaches you can’t get to heaven without the RCC. So that means you are condemned to hell without them.

[@ConciseCabbage]

He was probably talking about Abbe Guettee’s book on the papacy. Definitely look that up.

[@jwrobin21]

Rodrigo Borgia (Pope Alexander VI) really supported and lived like Jesus. He proved it with his statement, "It has served us well, this myth of Christ." (This is sarcasm in case you have not guessed.)

[@eb0632]

Look if you want to attack us catholics at least do it honestly, this quote has been proven to be a fake one

[@eb0632]

Im not defending pope alexander VI i think we can both agree that he didnt live a christlike life but he never said that

[@AnnetteMurphyger]

No he hored around and had loads of kids out of wedlock with his mistress and even his own daughter..

[@AnnetteMurphyger]

Christ is not a myth. Shame on him.

[@jwrobin21]

@@AnnetteMurphyger Sounds just like the previous Roman Emperors who also held the title Pontifex Maximus (which adds up to 666 in Latin Numerology.)

[@bairfreedom]

The biblical answer to John 21:25 is John 1:16 "And of his fullness we have received and grave for grace" key word "fullness"

[@jediv9910]

​ @bridgefin *Bible says Church refers to "all local churches + all believers" though. So your theory goes into the drain. Lol* you said We know from the gospels that Jesus founded one church and he founded it on the apostles 2000 years ago. Now this gets real easy. Find ANY institution which is 2000 years old...there is only one!

[@danielespitia1776]

The church you’re referring too was established way later. You make the mistake of ASSUMING the catholic church was the one established by Jesus. That is false. Jesus didn’t establish all your traditions or rule. The body of Christ is the Church. The Church is all those who proclaim their faith in Him and give themselves over to Him. He was the rock the Church was built upon. The entirety of Scripture was about Jesus. Not Peter or Paul or any other apostle, and especially not about the papacy.

[@jediv9910]

@@danielespitia1776 *Yes indeed. Roman religion is man made.*

[@jediv9492]

​ @Paul Mualdeave *Yes but if you have proper understanding of English, it does not say water baptism saves. Appear in the same sentence does not equate to "causal"* *Example: go to the kitchen, open the cabinet, take out the medicine, eat and you will be saved.* - All other actions do not save. Only the medicine saved. you said Mark 16:16 literally says “He who believes and is baptized will be saved…”.

[@markdennis122]

While it is true that the mere appearance of two actions in a sentence does not necessarily imply a causal relationship between them, there are Bible verses that directly connect water baptism with salvation. Here are a few examples: Acts 2:38: "Peter replied, 'Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.'" In this verse, Peter specifically links baptism with the forgiveness of sins and the reception of the Holy Spirit. This connection indicates that baptism is an integral part of the repentance and salvation process. Mark 16:16: "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned." Jesus Himself, in this verse, connects belief and baptism with salvation. He highlights the importance of both faith and baptism as essential components of receiving salvation. 1 Peter 3:21: "And this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also-not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ." Here, the apostle Peter explicitly states that baptism saves, clarifying that it is not the physical act of washing, but the spiritual significance behind it. It is through baptism that believers pledge a clear conscience toward God and are saved through the power of Jesus' resurrection. These verses demonstrate that the biblical understanding of baptism goes beyond a mere symbolic act. They indicate that water baptism is indeed linked to salvation, forgiveness of sins, receiving the Holy Spirit, and a pledge of commitment to God. While it is important to consider the broader context of biblical teachings, these verses provide direct evidence that water baptism is not just a ritual but a significant step in the process of receiving salvation according to the teachings of Jesus and the apostles

[@jediv9910]

​ @Mark Dennis *Once again you are totally misquoting Scriptures.* *Mark 16:16 - you are totally misquoting Scriptures. Mark 16:16b clearly says it is "one who does not believe who is condemned". Not "one who does not baptise". You are totally using bad English structure as a proof for doctrines.* *Example: go to the drawer, take out the medicine, eat and you will be saved. If you do not eat the medicine you will dd.* *In this example, only the medicine saves. All other actions did not. Similarly Mark 16:16.* *Acts 2:38 - similarly Acts 2:38. Believing in Jesus is the prerequisite for Salvation. Not water baptism.* *Romans 6:3-4 - Roman Catholics do not know there are 7 baptisms in the Bible. ROmans 6 totally did not refer to "water baptism". It refers to "baptism into the body of Christ". Not water baptism.* *1 Pet **3:21** - totally misquoting Scriptures. It clearly says water baptism is a symbol. It says: "Baptism which is symbolized by water". Flood water did not save Noah and family. The ark (represented by Jesus) is the one that saves.* 1 Pet 3:21 Baptism, which is symbolized by that water, now saves you also, not by removing dirt from the body, but by asking God for a clear conscience based on the resurrection of Jesus, the Messiah, you said The belief that water baptism is an essential part of salvation is based on the interpretation of various biblical passages and the teachings of the early Christian Church. Let's examine some relevant Bible verses and the basis for the belief in the salvific role of water baptism: Mark 16:16: "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned." This verse suggests a connection between belief, baptism, and salvation. Acts 2:38: "Peter replied, 'Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.'" Here, baptism is linked to forgiveness of sins and the reception of the Holy Spirit. Romans 6:3-4: "Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life." This passage connects baptism with participation in the death and resurrection of Christ, symbolizing a spiritual rebirth and new life. 1 Peter 3:21: "And this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also-not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ." This verse associates baptism with salvation through the power of Jesus' resurrection. The understanding of the salvific role of water baptism has been developed within the Christian tradition, including Catholicism. The Catholic Church teaches that baptism is a sacrament through which God imparts His grace and initiates a person into the Body of Christ. It is seen as a means by which individuals are united with Christ, receive the forgiveness of sins, and are reborn in the Holy Spirit. It is important to note that Catholics, along with other Christian denominations, affirm that salvation ultimately comes through faith in Jesus Christ. Water baptism is seen as an outward expression and participation in the grace of God that has already been received through faith

[@RayRay2118592]

32,000 Protestant denominations all filled with good and bad soldiers with disagreement prevalent amongst these 32000 Protestant denominations on key issues such as baptism and regeneration of baptism as one example. The point is that Jesus did not want that instead what He wants is a unified people; The Church teaches that the "one flock, one shepherd" in John 10:16 subsists in the Catholic Church, governed by the successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him (Dominus Iesus 17). While the Church acknowledges that many truths are found in other ecclesial communities, the complete fullness of Christ’s teaching and grace is only found in the Catholic Church: This is why Jesus himself prayed at the hour of his Passion, and does not cease praying to his Father, for the unity of his disciples: "That they may all be one. As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be one in us, . . . so that the world may know that you have sent me." (John 17:21, CCC 820)

[@nuthajason]

+RayRay2118592 - Im so tired of hearing about tens of thousands of denominations. this is without basis in actual fact and I will show that it also is moot as a point since the roman church itself isn't unified. denomination implies a named body with distinctive doctrine. there is nowhere near this number. there are in fact 30 Roman Catholic denominations and 41 different Orthodox denominations and only 27 Protestant denominations and 185 Independent denominations - and these number depend on whom you go to for research but the number never rises higher than 1000 in actual distinctive denominationalism. So this argument is either dishonest or ignorant. furthermore the argument is therefore defunct because the idea is that there are so so soooo many reformed churches and only one roman catholic church therefore the protestants are wrong but this is false because there are at least 30 roman catholic denominations. even within these denominations there are individually held distinctives. for example not all Catholics agree with the statements of Vatican 2. not all Catholics support the teachings of the last three popes. not all Catholics practice pilgrimage or think relics are important. not all Catholics eat fish on Friday. and so on. I am reformed in my theology and I find it immensely annoying when a Catholic tries to end and argument with this huge exaggeration of numbers which is flawed in any case because the premise that the catholic church is unified is provably false in any case. I would beg apologists - both pro and amateur -  to stop embarrassing themselves by using this very flawed and ill-informed logic.Jesus wants his church unified UNDER THE TRUE GOSPEL. but in scripture we find that within the body there are meant to be variations. this is God ordained! (see 1 Corinthians 12:21 cf)and just for information here are some denominations of Roman Catholicism:1. Armenian (Eastern-rite Catholic) 2. Bulgarian (Byzantine rite) 3. Byzantine-rite (jurisdiction for more than one ethnic group) 4. Chaldean (Eastern Syrian rile) 5. Coptic (Alexandrian rite) 6. Ethmpic, Alexandrian rite) 7. Greek (Byzantine rite) 8. Hungarian (Byzantine rite) 9. Italo-Albanian (Byzantine rile) 10. Jurisdiction for both Latin-rite and Eastern-rite Catholics 11. Latin-roe Catholic 12. Malankara (Syro-Antiochian Eastern Syrian), Syro-Malankarese 13. Maronite (Syro-Antiochian, Western Syrian) 14. Melkite (Byzantine, Greek Catholic; Arabic-speaking) 15. Oriental (Jurisdiction for several Eastern rites) 16. Ian Byzantine rite 17. Russian (Byzantine rite) 18. Ruthenian (Byzantine rite) 19. Slovak (Byzantine rite) 20. Syro-Malabarese (Eastern Syrian) 21. Syrian, Syriac-speaking (Syro-Antiochian West Syrian) 22. Ukrainian Byzantine rite

[@Awurabena1]

You say that like all the churches agreed. Please there have been fights since the Churches inception. 1 Corinthians 1:10Expanded Bible (EXB) Problems in the Church 10 I ·beg [urge; appeal to] you, brothers and sisters, ·by the name [or by the authority; or as followers] of our Lord Jesus Christ that all of you agree with each other and not be ·split into groups [divided into factions]. I beg that you be ·completely joined together [fully united; or made complete] by having the same ·kind of thinking [L mind] and the same ·purpose [intention; conviction].

[@nuthajason]

we disagree on secondary issues but unite over the true gospel

[@joecannes2421]

+RayRay2118592 32,000 Protestant denominations? just wondering where you came up with this number, is it accurate?

[@MikeWinger]

+RayRay2118592 Here is an article, written by a Catholic addressing and refuting the ridiculous "32,000 protestant denominations" claim. m.ncregister.com/blog/scottericalt/we-need-to-stop-saying-that-there-are-33000-protestant-denominations#.Vr46csesKJK

[@jediv9910]

​ @Mark Dennis *It's amazing how ROman ct members misquote Scriptures. Where in Mat 28 or John 6 says "saved by Sacraments?* you said Sacraments: The Catholic Church recognizes the sacraments as channels of God's grace, instituted by Christ himself. The sacraments, such as baptism and the Eucharist, are seen as means by which God imparts his grace to the faithful, strengthening them on their journey toward salvation (John 6:53-54, Matthew 28:19-20).

[@jzak5723]

The Council of Trent CONDEMNED anyone who taught that we can save ourselves or who taught even that God helps us do what we could do for ourselves. The Church teaches that we can be saved ONLY by God’s grace. Mr. Winger is incorrectly stating the facts about the Catholic church's view of Justification, just so you all know that you must not assume everything that comes from his lips is the truth. Please research it yourself from reliable Catholic sources, which evidently he did not take the time to do.

[@doug1863]

So I guess you were with him when he prepared this sermon? You saw what materials he read? He did use the only TRUE authority, God’s Holy Word the Bible

[@morelmaster]

@@doug1863 "So I guess you were with him when he prepared this sermon? You saw what materials he read? He did use the only TRUE authority, God’s Holy Word the Bible" You were with him when he prepared his sermon? You saw that he only used the Bible? Its a two way street pal.

[@doug1863]

john mizak When speaking of biblical tru5s he uses the bi me only. He has stated that the Bible is the on,y authority. The council of Trent since you mentioned it is wrong. God’s grace is the only thing that saves us. It is by God’s Grace, his love and goodness that we have a savior. No work can save any of us. Good works are a display of your saving faith, and those have been predestined for us by God the Father. So in actuality, you aren’t in control of good works except if you decide to do those that God has laid out for you to do.

[@morelmaster]

@@doug1863 I don't know what you are reading, but I said that Trent stated that you can only be saved by God's grace?

[@doug1863]

john mizak the way it’s worded seems to suggest otherwise, but I also was half asleep and without reading glasses. Ur regardless the rcc clearly states one can not be saved by faith alone, it requires faith AND works, also without he rcc one can not be saved , unless you believe the Jesuit pope

[@jediv9492]

⭐ Was Luther the first to use Sola Fede? ⭐ The answer is No. - Early writings speak of Salvation Not By Works (Faith Alone doctrine) - like Polycarp, Clement of Rome, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria - Old Catholic Bibles spoke of Sola Fede - Nuremberg Bible (1483), “allein durch den glauben” and the Italian Bibles of Geneva (1476) and Italian Bible of Venice (1538) all used Sola Fede in Romans 3:28 - Even Ambrose and Augustine translated Romans 3:28 as Sola Fede. ⭐ St. Augustine's commentary on James 2 Sola Fide. ⭐ And the scripture was fulfilled which says, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. - James 2:23 That Abraham believed God deep in his heart is a matter of faith alone, but that he took his son to sacrifice him . . . is not just a great act of faith but a great work as well. (Sermons 2.9) - Augustine of Hippo And the scripture was fulfilled which says, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. - James 2:23 Abraham is the image of someone who is justified by faith alone, since what he believed was credited to him as righteousness. But he is also approved because of his works, since he offered up his son Isaac on the altar. (Gen 22:10-18) Of course he did not do this work by itself; in doing it, he remained firmly anchored in his faith, believing that through Isaac his seed would be multiplied until it was as numerous as the stars - Oecumenius

[@markdennis122]

the doctrine of justification and the role of faith and works in salvation are understood differently than in Martin Luther's doctrine of Sola Fide. While it is true that early Christian writings and certain translations used phrases that conveyed the importance of faith in salvation, it is essential to consider the broader Catholic theological context. Early writings: While figures like Polycarp, Clement of Rome, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, and Clement of Alexandria emphasized the role of faith and spoke about salvation not by works, their understanding did not align precisely with Luther's doctrine of Sola Fide. Catholic theology acknowledges the importance of faith in salvation but also emphasizes the cooperation of grace and the necessity of good works as a response to God's grace. Old Catholic Bibles: The fact that some old Catholic translations used the phrase "Sola Fede" in Romans 3:28 does not imply an endorsement of Luther's specific understanding of the doctrine. These translations should be understood in their historical context and the broader theological framework of Catholicism, which includes the belief in the synergy between faith and works. Ambrose and Augustine: While it is true that Ambrose and Augustine translated Romans 3:28 as "Sola Fede," their interpretation should be understood in light of their broader theological perspectives. Augustine, in his commentary on James 2, acknowledged the significance of both faith and works in the life of a believer. He recognized that Abraham's act of offering Isaac was both an act of faith and a great work. This aligns with the Catholic understanding that faith and works are inseparable and that good works are the fruit and evidence of a living faith. In summary, while there were early writings and translations that emphasized the importance of faith in salvation, Catholic theology has a nuanced understanding of the relationship between faith and works. The Catholic Church acknowledges that faith is necessary for justification but also recognizes the role of grace, cooperation with that grace, and the necessity of good works as a response to God's saving work. Martin Luther's doctrine of Sola Fide represented a significant departure from these Catholic teachings.

[@jediv9910]

​@@markdennis122 *No i do not see what you claimed in those writings or Scriptures "be transformed to be saved" man made doctrine.* you said the doctrine of justification and the role of faith and works in salvation are understood differently than in Martin Luther's doctrine of Sola Fide. While it is true that early Christian writings and certain translations used phrases that conveyed the importance of faith in salvation, it is essential to consider the broader Catholic theological context. Early writings: While figures like Polycarp, Clement of Rome, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, and Clement of Alexandria emphasized the role of faith and spoke about salvation not by works, their understanding did not align precisely with Luther's doctrine of Sola Fide. Catholic theology acknowledges the importance of faith in salvation but also emphasizes the cooperation of grace and the necessity of good works as a response to God's grace.

[@jediv9910]

​@@markdennis122 *Salvation Not By WOrks doctrine does come with good works. EPh **2:10**, 1 Cor 13, James 2. You are totally b washed by Roman ct.* *Your dismissing of Romans 3:28 does not prove anything.* you said Old Catholic Bibles: The fact that some old Catholic translations used the phrase "Sola Fede" in Romans 3:28 does not imply an endorsement of Luther's specific understanding of the doctrine. These translations should be understood in their historical context and the broader theological framework of Catholicism, which includes the belief in the synergy between faith and works.

[@jediv9910]

@@markdennis122 *Luther in his commentary of James also spoke of importance of Works. That does not prove Salvation is By WOrks.* you said Ambrose and Augustine: While it is true that Ambrose and Augustine translated Romans 3:28 as "Sola Fede," their interpretation should be understood in light of their broader theological perspectives. Augustine, in his commentary on James 2, acknowledged the significance of both faith and works in the life of a believer. He recognized that Abraham's act of offering Isaac was both an act of faith and a great work. This aligns with the Catholic understanding that faith and works are inseparable and that good works are the fruit and evidence of a living faith.

[@jediv9910]

@@markdennis122 *WHo cares about "catholic teachings". It's what the Bible says that is important. Not what Roman ct says that is important.* you said In summary, while there were early writings and translations that emphasized the importance of faith in salvation, Catholic theology has a nuanced understanding of the relationship between faith and works. The Catholic Church acknowledges that faith is necessary for justification but also recognizes the role of grace, cooperation with that grace, and the necessity of good works as a response to God's saving work. Martin Luther's doctrine of Sola Fide represented a significant departure from these Catholic teachings.

[@ariahauser4224]

I had to turn this so one-sided video off at about 24 minutes. While I am protestant myself, the inaccuracies were too much. What about Peter and the keys of heaven? That text is clear. And there are other texts as well supporting the importance of Peter. Peter then passed down this authority to the people who we now call the popes. The only way to disprove the Catholic authority would be to disprove this line of succession. Their authority is not without foundation. Read the Bible yourself and you will see where it comes from.

[@bradenglass4753]

Petrine supremacy is a farce, as is purgatory, veneration (dulia) of saints, assumption of mary, pelagian works salvation, and state of grace theology

[@jacktyrell8496]

"Thou art Petros...upon this petra..." Those are different words, not inflected forms of the same word. 1Cor. 10:4 says that Christ was that petra in the wilderness. The wise man built his house on a petra. The word "rock" appears 13 times in the NT. Every time, in the Greek, it is 'petra.' Christ is the Rock of our salvation.

[@aclk1520]

Jack Tyrell He gave authority to Peter. Our God is a loving God that He shares His power to His beloved. Who is like God?

[@ald67]

@@bradenglass4753 pelagian work salvation is not a Catholic doctrine, it is a heresy according to Catholic theology. You ignore Catholicism.

[@bradenglass4753]

@@ald67 i never said Catholics were pelagian truly, as catholics believe in works + faith.

[@jediv9910]

​ @Mark Dennis *Where in the Bible says "be transformed to be saved"? Versus "believe in Jesus to be saved"? John 3:16.* you said However, this faith is not a mere intellectual belief but a living faith that expresses itself in love and good works. Good works are seen as cooperating with God's grace, allowing His transformative power to work in and through us.

[@JesusWept1999]

The funniest thing i ever heard was when a Catholic told me to "read my bible". The irony was unreal.

[@bridgefin]

What he should have told you was to read the bible but not interpret it from your own personal perspective. It is a church book and should be interpreted from within the eyes of the church.

[@andreaakilic9243]

​@@bridgefinbut what does the bible say about interpretation? Does it say interpretations belong to church?

[@bridgefin]

@@andreaakilic9243 You: Does it say interpretations belong to church? Me: 2 Peter 1:20: * Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, 21 for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God. So that makes the point that we are not to try to interpret Scripture alone. And in John 14:16 : And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate* to be with you always, 17 the Spirit of truth,* which the world cannot accept, because it neither sees nor knows it. But you know it, because it remains with you, and will be in you. We see that Jesus promised the spirit of truth would be with his apostles forever. Thus, the church is protected in its interpretation.

[@bridgefin]

@@DamirVidovic-pf2pk You: It Certainly is NOT an RCC book. It's God's book Me: God wrote the NT through Catholic hands and then canonized the entire bible through the Catholic Church. Further that book says that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth. You: Jesus said the Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth. Me: Sorry but he did not. 40,000 contradictory denominations prove that is false. Besides, Jesus made that promise ONLY to the apostles who were the leaders of HIS ONLY church. And that is why the Catholic Church has survived 2000 years while maintaining doctrinal truth amidst all sorts of heresies

[@bridgefin]

@@DamirVidovic-pf2pk You: I left the INSANE RCC 45 years ago and will NEVER, EVER, EVER return to that insane asylum. Me: Well, that explains everything. I will pray that you don't end your life in the pathetic spiritual condition that you are not in. God desires the salvation of everyone inlcuding his fiercest enemies.

[@migueldossantos9213]

One of the most scandalous discourses Jesus ever gave was his “bread of life” discourse in the sixth chapter of John’s Gospel. Because Catholics are so thoroughly familiar with the idea of Christ’s Real Presence in the Eucharist, we sometimes fail to appreciate just how scandalous his words about eating flesh to drinking blood must have been for his hearers. First of all, Jesus’ words must have sounded like an invitation to cannibalism. The very repugnance of the idea of eating human flesh and drinking blood surely underscored their objection, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?” (John 6:52). Even today, many non-Catholics have difficulties with the Real Presence for the same reason. How Jesus answers this objection is very important. He doesn’t back down on the claim that he is going to give us his flesh and blood to eat, but rather explains how he is going to give it by saying, “For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink” (John 6:55). If Jesus gave us his flesh and blood to eat and drink as flesh and blood, that would be cannibalism. But Jesus doesn’t do this. He gives us his body and blood as true food and true drink. In other words, he gives us his flesh and blood under the modality or the species of food and drink (bread and wine), as true food and drink. And there’s nothing repugnant about partaking of food and drink. There is also another problem. Jesus’ original audience was Jewish, and they knew that the Law of Moses prohibited drinking blood. So even if Christ could give them his flesh and blood as true food and true drink, they would still be violating God’s law by ingesting blood (cf. Genesis 9:3-4, etc.). How does Jesus address this problem? First, let’s look at the prohibition itself. Why were the Israelites forbidden to eat flesh with blood in it? Leviticus 17:10-12 states: “And if anyone, whether of the house of Israel or of the aliens residing among them, partakes of any blood, I will set myself against that one who partakes of blood and will cut him off from among his people. Since the life of a living body is in its blood, I have made you put it on the altar, so that atonement may thereby be made for your own lives, because it is the blood, as the seat of life, that makes atonement. That is why I have told the Israelites: No one among you, not even a resident alien, may partake of blood.” Leviticus gives two reasons for its prohibition: First, blood was seen as the seat of life (i.e., “life of the living body is in its blood”). Second, blood, being the seat of life, was what was to be offered in sacrifice for atonement for the lives of the people. Jesus answers both of these points, but in reverse order. In John 6:51, Jesus says “… and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.” Like the blood that was poured out on the altars to make atonement for their own lives in the Old Covenant, Jesus is going to give his flesh “for the life of the world.” The separation of blood from the body that Leviticus speaks of occurred with Christ, both on the cross when his side was pierced and sacramentally at the Last Supper when Jesus consecrated the bread and wine separately, showing a separation of blood from the body. But the blood is the “seat of life.” Isn’t that why Leviticus prohibited blood in the first place? Jesus answers this objection in John 6:53 and 57 when he says, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. … Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.” By partaking of Christ’s flesh and blood, we partake of Christ’s divine life.

[@migueldossantos9213]

Dear brother, I hope this helps to clarify you question. So I am glad you asked this question. Please come home brother. Jesus is calling you to his Church. The Catholic and Apostolic Church

[@thomashogan16]

Ranito you have a gift which pours forth the Truth from you soul. God love you brother in Christ.

[@alhilford2345]

@Asaph Vapor : A lot of information here. Please provide detailed documentation that we can examine. Thank you.

[@rena6895]

@@migueldossantos9213 Catholics are home; where do you think your religion comes from? Catholics were before Protestant. Look it up, the church split and divided. It does not mean we worship different Gods. We all worship The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.

[@rena6895]

@@alhilford2345 Fr Mike did a podcast, found here on KZbin too. “Bible In A Year” many Protestants followed him too. He teaches this straight from the Bible & (CCC) The Catechism of the Catholic Church. He just started a podcast for CCC in a year. He’s a wonderful teacher.

[@dafyddaprhys782]

I'm impressed and at the same time fear. I get a feeling of how those of faith during the middle ages lived in fear and practiced scriptures in secret.

[@Bingbongaroo]

Well there literally was no “practicing scriptures in secret”. Fun fact, the literacy rate of the world was way less than it was now. You literally had to either be taught by royalty or the Church in order to know how to read, let alone read the Bible. That and also books were so expensive, so no one could have their own personal Bible unless they were rich. To practice Scripture in secret means they have to know how to read and own/have access to a book, which is unrealistic unless you were part of the clergy or royalty.

[@Bingbongaroo]

åkajshaksjdå hæ Does that makes sense that a God who is Truth and all good would reserve salvation for the rich and affluent? And that all poor people prior for 1400 years were sent to hell because they couldn’t read? Does a God of Mercy punish those who can’t read? The poor?

[@johnsheedy461]

@@Bingbongaroo Your post is just anti-Catholic nonsense. Go google: "Catholic Answers" and ASK questions and find answers , then post !

[@aclk1520]

The Latin Vulgate which has always been the Church’s translation since around 400AD ( the time the Bible was compiled 363ad?) was hand copied by monks. The literacy rate was very low-how could any practice in secret? They also pictures and art that were able to communicate scripture through. They couldn’t practice in secret and why would they want to? They have the Church -the Holy Roman Catholic Church- Jesus’ Church. Why does He have a Church? Because He’s not a God of confusion.. through natural reasoning-God is organized. The printing press didn’t come around till 1400s.. Protestant reformation revival -rivaling each other started in the 1500s.

[@Alfredo8059]

Martin Luther was so confident in his own views he claimed: " I for my part am certain that the words I speak are not mine but Christ's. Then my mouth also must be his whose words it speaks" Works 3:174 . Protestantism = SOLA (My own views of) SCRIPTURA + MY speculations about everything. Welcome to relativism.

[@jediv9910]

​ @Mark Dennis *You are just misquoting Scriptures meant for Jewish believers under Mosaic Law of Works. Where in the Bible says “faith + good works + partake R sacraments + submit to R pontiff + be in R Church + devote to Mary = salvation"?* *You haven’t explained why two third of NT says Salvation is Not By Works. Why is that so? Why do you discard all the verses?*