Responding to Catholic Apologists on Purgatory

Examining the passage most often quoted by Catholic apologists to defend the doctrine of purgatory. 1 Corinthians 3 is quoted by Tim Staples and Jimmy Akin of Catholic Answers. It's even quote by pope Benedict in his 2007 encyclical "Spe Salvi". We are going to examine the passage thoughtfully to see what it really says.
Mike Winger is a pastor at Hosanna Christian Fellowship in Bellflower, CA.

[@kitkat3164]

As an ex -catholic, purgatory is like a waiting room to pay for unconfessed and unforgiven sins. Your loved ones will pay for masses and hopefully help you into Heaven. The thief on the cross was a sinner yet he asked the Lord to remember him in His kingdom. What was Jesus response? TODAY you will be with ME in Paradise! Jesus said” It is finished!” He alone carried our sins on the cross and He alone will forgive us. Seek this day whom you will serve, man or GOD, religion or a true spirit filled relationship with Jesus. God loves you! Seek HIM and you will find HIM. The Bible is our truth not man made religions. God is faithful and true✨🙏🏻💖

[@romandaigle455]

Amen!

[@chelsea14379]

Amen! Ex catholic too best thing I ever did was leaving catholicism

[@TheMarymicheal]

@@chelsea14379 yup, leaving it makes you loose it.

[@TheMarymicheal]

Then where did the Bible come from ? Dropped from heaven? Has ever jesus said, refer bible and what ever I said is in bible. Follow a book? Bible has come from people and mostly by Church. It's like a toddler saying to his uncle that he is not even a man. 😀

[@bornagainsaint6923]

@@TheMarymicheal , Your argument is Horrible. The bible comes from God Almighty Himself Not from your church. You were Indoctrinated Not Educated, you were told what to think not How to think. 2 Timothy 3.16-17 states that ALL SCRIPTURE IS GOD BREATHED OR INSPIRED, HE USED MEN TO WRITE THEM AS HIS INSTRUMENTS, BUT HE ALONE IS THE AUTHOR NOT YOUR CORRUPT MURDEROUS CHURCH.🧐 All you give is your opinion but have no backing from Scripture which is typical of Catholics like you and me when I was catholic. Sad!

[@gabymeyer8003]

So the blood of Jesus is insufficient to make payment for sin, but my Hail Marys may do the trick?

[@larryluch8178]

@ManAboutTown Jesus taught Purgatory several times. The parable of the rich man and Lazarus is an example. The rich man is in a place of awful suffering but not the hell of the damned. Firstly, he addresses Abraham respectfully as Father. But more tellingly he asks Abraham for help for himself initially but then asks help to save his brothers. No damned soul would wish salvation for anyone. Hell is a place of hatred and despair, not love and hope. Damned souls hate God and His creation. Even if given a chance no damned soul would wish to go to Heaven such is there total hatred of God. So obviously the rich man is not in the Hell of the damned. We also see the rich man grow in holiness from selfish prayer to selfless prayer for others. So he is being purged of selfishness and growing in charity, an impossibility for a resident of Hell. Souls are cleansed of lingering attachments to sin in Purgatory. Please pray for deceased loved ones as they may need your prayers on their journey to Heaven. Blessings

[@larryluch8178]

@ManAboutTown I’m just an ordinary Catholic but l believe we should pray for deceased loved ones. Jesus teaches Purgatory. In Luke12 Jesus tells the parable of the 4 servants. When the master returns one servant is saved, one is lost and the other two suffer varying degrees of punishment. Heaven, Hell and Purgatory. Mike is a fine preacher but on this matter he errs. Blessings

[@larryluch8178]

@ManAboutTown Hardly an anecdote. The teaching of both Catholic and Orthodox Churches deserves more than careless dismissal. I don’t give my own opinion, l give the teaching of two ancient faiths backed up by serious Scripture analysis. Blessings

[@michaelpoapst9465]

Thank You !!!

[@treychastain4686]

@@larryluch8178 that's the verse you're trying use to defend the idea of purgatory? That's stretch when read IN context. To me it reads more of end times. Talking about the Church.

[@theccc8318]

We are saved by the work of Jesus, which was sufficient for all.

[@GeorgePenton-np9rh]

The grace of Christ is sufficient for all but we must use this grace to become holy and pure. If we do not, and let's face it most Christians do not, then we need Purgatory to cleanse us for Heaven. See 1 Corinthians 3:13-15. Thank God for Purgatory! Without it only perfect people could go to Heaven (Revelation 21:27).

[@sahmeerodies1686]

@@GeorgePenton-np9rh Did you watch the video?

[@GeorgePenton-np9rh]

@@sahmeerodies1686 No. All these anti-Catholic videos are all the same. Why should I waste my time watching them?

[@ProMaxElite]

George Penton If Mike shows you why you’re wrong about 1 Corinthians 3:13-15, would you change your mind? He addresses this passage in the video. He’s not bashing catholics or anything, he just explains what the passage is about, and corrects some errors that people make. Even if you watch the video and still believe it teaches purgatory, at least you know why people disagree, right? So either way you benefit.

[@GeorgePenton-np9rh]

@@ProMaxElite St. Augustine said 1 Corinthians 3:13-15 was about Purgatory. I doubt that Mike Winger is smarter or holier that St. Augustine.

[@Hypnotoad206]

People need to also understand that reward and salvation are used to represent two completely different things in this passage.

[@Qwerty-jy9mj]

Fair enough, what is the reward?

[@Hypnotoad206]

@@Qwerty-jy9mj well first off, salvation in this passage is unconditional. And the reward is conditional. But, the reward is not specifically defined. It will be a reward that we receive in heaven, which will come after* salvation

[@Qwerty-jy9mj]

@@Hypnotoad206 Nobody is disputing that, but you would agree the man passes this judgement to test his works before the reward, correct?

[@Hypnotoad206]

@@Qwerty-jy9mj the “testing” done in this passage is referring to the ministry they’ve done in the name of Christ. So the testing is completely apart from salvation, which we agree on I guess. But what im saying is that the passage does not focus on salvation. It’s stating that those who are already being saved will go through judgment “as” a fire, noting a simile comparison.

[@Hypnotoad206]

@@Qwerty-jy9mj since the reward will be received in heaven, they have to be in heaven first, right?

[@joelwalden5504]

I'm immensely, consistently thankful for how you break down scripture and shed light on it where people often miss key points, and do so in defense of the faith. This is immensely helpful to me as a Christian and it helps edify my own confidence in God's word and my ability to defend it. Thanks Mike.

[@treychastain4686]

If we had to go through purgatory to cleanse us of our sin then why did Jesus die on the cross???

[@onethdasanayake3689]

True, then there would be no Satan and no hell

[@WoodenDialogue]

I’ve been reading C. S. Lewis’s ‘The Great Divorce’ recently, and so far in my reading it has described a ‘grey town’ which is identified as Hell but which could also be described like purgatory, as there is a way out. Without getting too much into it, the way out of this town is through Jesus. Many people, not wishing to put in the effort of purification or being too ser in their ways, opt to return to Hell rather than reach Heaven. If something similar were to be the case, the only reason there is a purgatory-like process would be because of Jesus. Otherwise it would simply be Hell, with no way out.

[@bornagainsaint6923]

Bingo!!! Roman Catholicism Preaches Another Gospel. Does the blood of Jesus Christ CLEANSE Us from All Sin ( 1John 1.7), or do you Atone or CLEANSE or Purge for your own sins in Purgatory?? Another Gospel my friends!!!

[@onethdasanayake3689]

@@ThrowAway271 Shut up

[@onethdasanayake3689]

@Super Genius Oh yes that can be!

[@GhostBearCommander]

Biblically speaking, the concept of Purgatory is completely useless. If the point of Purgatory is to "purge" sin from the believer, then it is redundant because the blood of Jesus has already done that before God. Further, once we die, we lose our sinful flesh. At the resurrection we will be given a new form. No Purgatory is necessary.

[@wolvadora9049]

Well said 🔥

[@Adrian-ri8my]

Just because we lose our sinful flesh does not mean we are now sinless and purified. Those damned to hell also lose their “sinful flesh” but that doesn’t mean they get to go to heaven, does it? Mathew 10:28 says our “soul and body” is destroyed in hell. So both those in heaven and hell lose their sinful flesh and take on some spiritual, eternal bodily form, but how come some people go to heaven and some to hell if everyone loses their “sinful flesh” that they have on earth? Purgatory is not a way to purify our physical bodies, its Gods grace and love working within us to purify our very souls so that we may be “perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect” in heaven.

[@Adrian-ri8my]

@Super Genius Could you give a specific example of a biblical passage that Catholic apologists use to fit their beliefs? And how their interpretation contradicts other passages of scripture?

[@slft47]

Purgatory does not exist but there is 2 biblical waiting places, theres paradise and theres the grave, i believe catholics have taken this concept of the grave and have twisted it to their doctrines

[@bobdobbs943]

@@slft47 The catholic church has twisted it. The catholic faithful just believe it because they love lies.

[@Bachconcertos]

We have peace with God through Jesus Christ. We have been Reconciled to God through Jesus Christ. Period.

[@mausperson5854]

Got some evidence?

[@Adrian-ri8my]

Catholics who believe in purgatory would agree with you on that statement, so its not really relevant as it doesn’t prove/disprove any side.

[@ethanmoon3925]

The thing is, when saying the Corinthians passage was about purgatory, they say "you can't separate the works from the person". But that's all Jesus does! He takes on our sins, separating them from us. If He didn't then we couldn't go to Heaven, purgatory or not

[@mausperson5854]

@@ethanmoon3925 how much work is it for God to play Choose Your Own Adventure for thirty some years, then have a bad weekend sacrificing himself to himself for us, his creation, then demanding that we believe all of this on insufficient evidence while also being expected to worship this hidden god?

[@auntiegrizelda4484]

And JESUS tells us in MATT 25 that we must feed the hungry & clothe the naked if we want to enter the Kingdom of God. In MATT 19:17 he tells us we must keep the commandments and in JOHN 6 he tells us we must eat his flesh & drink his blood

[@savednotsoft01]

A catholic called me a blasphemer for asking him to show me purgatory in the bible 🤣🤣 🙏✝️

[@codyvandal2860]

Forgive him he hasn't gotten over the fact that his organization can't burn people at the stake anymore for wanting to read the Bible

[@mikemike3514]

Its almost impossible to speak to Catholics about scriptures because they never read the Bible. Their highest authority is not Jesus Christ its the Catholic Church its there religion.

[@caroleimani9754]

They are raised from infants to believe this stuff. It gets ingrained in them and it's hard to get rid of it.

[@caroleimani9754]

I know how hard it is to shake off Catholic Beliefs. I left that Church when I was around 15 or 16. I still find myself with some residual stuff. I am now 72 years old.......

[@bornagainsaint6923]

@@caroleimani9754 , I hear you, I left at 30 after years of reading and studying Scripture. Your life changes when you believe the real gospel of Jesus Christ, the new birth or born again. But yes very hard to leave because you go against family and friends.

[@fieroboom]

The whole idea of us needing to suffer anywhere for our sins negates the promise that Jesus paid it ALL by voluntarily suffering for us. That is a different gospel, and Paul is very clear about that.

[@melchorkho6077]

To GOD be the glory! I've been watching your videos and it helps me a lot. Then I decided to download your videos to our computer and save it to our flash drive then watch it on our big TV down stair. You are a good preacher and talks directly to the point. We love the way you preach. Now I am downloading your video entitled Responding to Catholic Apologists on Purgatory. Your videos help a lot in our Ministry. Please 10000000000x make some videos and we will all download it all of them. Please always take care Sir Mike Winger. GOD bless you forever

[@mariasoniamoreno3433]

I'd recommend you watch "Purgatory in the Bible" by Dr. Brandt Pitre. After you hear the Catholic explanation, decide.

[@christsavesreadromans1096]

The Bible alludes to purgatory. 1 Corinthians 3:15, “saved but only as through fire.” If fire is only for the unsaved then why would any saved people be going through fire?

[@Mink_Tracks]

​@@christsavesreadromans1096the exact verse is "as IF only through fire"

[@christsavesreadromans1096]

@@Mink_Tracks No, most translations don’t phrase it that way. Here are 3 of the most literal, word for word translations available. NASB: “but he himself will be saved, yet only so as through fire.” ESV: “though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.” KJV: “but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.”

[@lisam.3310]

Thank you for this very thorough clarification. Your hard work is such a blessing to me. May the peace and joy of the Lord be with you and your family 🙏🏻

[@christsavesreadromans1096]

The Bible alludes to purgatory. 1 Corinthians 3:15, “saved but only as through fire.” If fire is only for the unsaved then why would any saved people be going through fire?

[@cameronmorris3347]

@@christsavesreadromans1096Paul’s letter to Corinth has nothing to do with purgatory. Specifically in that text he’s simply critiquing the church of Corinth.

[@christsavesreadromans1096]

@@cameronmorris3347 It clearly mentions that a person suffers loss, and is saved but only as through fire. That sounds like purgatory to me.

[@tracykarol]

Mike, thank you for explaining this using actual verses. As a former Catholic, many people online tell me we must go to purgatory to be cleansed before we can experience God's presence. My instinctual answer is always, “No, you're negating the power of Jesus dying on the cross for us. Paying the ransom for us. Shedding His blood for us. He is enough, if we are saved and live our lives as He commands.” When I was a cafeteria Catholic, I just took purgatory on faith since my education in church ended around age 11. But it was easy to sin as a young adult, because I had purgatory as a fallback. That's a slippery slope. My soul was in serious danger. Had I died then, I was destined for hell. Because now I know purgatory doesn't exist. I've studied the Bible, been saved, both again, and my life is completely different because of Jesus Christ. Please keep reaching people. It's vital for salvation.

[@georgepierson4920]

So, let me see if I got this right. You claim that when you were supposedly a Catholic, you picked and chose for yourself what you wanted to believe. Now, as an adult, you pick and choose what you want to believe as a Protestant.

[@caroleimani9754]

No...She had some kind of Catholic "education" until age 11. Then she "fell away" from the Catholic religion and eventually became a "born--again" Christian where she finally STUDIED the Bible. Did you even read her comment?

[@caroleimani9754]

Maybe instead of "born--again,". I should say: "saved," Basically they are the same.....

[@forthewin369]

@@caroleimani9754 Well see, if you say born again, then the catholics would have to take it literally... born again... because they literally believe the body of Christ is in their communion service...

[@ibelieveitcauseiseentit9630]

I experienced the presence of God the moment I was born again. But for Catholics who don't believe you can experience the presence of God until you go through purgatory just point out the miracle of tongues in the book of Acts. They ALL clearly experienced God's presence.

[@HumanGuillotine]

Catholics will not listen to Scripture alone. They refuse it and lean on church elders teachings etc.. that is the challenge I run into.

[@johnaguero1849]

Pergatory is part of the great Roman Catholic machine where you're kept in submission of earning grace by works and paying for penance. There is ne assurance of forgiveness or salvation. Between sacraments - indulgences & pergatory our Catholic brothers & sisters are kept in this cyclical process.

[@MaggieBernard3]

It's almost like they are kept in purgatory now 😔 We have to pray for them

[@digging4pearls961]

John that is absolutely the sad truth of it.

[@bridgefin]

@@MaggieBernard3 And we are praying for you.

[@christsavesreadromans1096]

The Bible alludes to purgatory. 1 Corinthians 3:15, “saved but only as through fire.” If fire is only for the unsaved then why would any saved people be going through fire?

[@SonicSnakeRecords]

The Catholic Church was commissioned by Christ to teach all nations and to teach them infallibly-guided, as He promised, by the Holy Spirit until the end of the world (see John 14:25, 16:13). The mere fact that the Church teaches that something definitely true is a guarantee that it is true (see Luke 10:16).

[@numanuma20]

Could you do an interview with a messianic Rabbi about Hanukkah and the Passover and how it relates to communion or the Lord’s supper?

[@staceycalder3233]

If you have any questions about Messianics just ask me I know about that faith

[@ambivertical]

Zev Porat?

[@psallen5099]

Where in the Bible does it say everything is in the Bible? For example where in the Bible does the word Trinity appear? When the premise is wrong (it's supposed to be in the bible) the conclusion is wrong (the Catholics are wrong)

[@---bl2uj]

his claim isn't that the word purgatory isn't in the Bible it's that it doesn't even allude to the idea. whereas the trinity is a clear teaching of scripture without needing to use the term we've given it

[@AlyiaHilgemanMakeupEnthusiast]

Thank you for always going into so much detail & for sharing. Some of these videos do just take me a couple days to watch as I watch them throughout the day. Thanks for sharing!

[@christsavesreadromans1096]

The Bible alludes to purgatory. 1 Corinthians 3:15, “saved but only as through fire.” If fire is only for the unsaved then why would any saved people be going through fire?

[@troybradley8647]

Me too I play the mike videos to get me through tough workouts after work 💪😂❤🎉 hearing about Bible truth is my favorite thing to do. Then it seems I'll get asked something and actually be able to give a biblical answer mainly kids at the church I go to very helpful ❤❤❤

[@lasthour1961]

The Corinthians chapter talks about a reward for work itself, not the person doing the work ... We are saved by the blood of Jesus "It is finished" PERIOD

[@agulu772]

Remain seated in your couch You have nothing to do But don t forget many are called but few Will enter the kingdom

[@stever4181]

@@agulu772 Works are a product of Faith. The CC teaches it is works that save you. They are wrong!!!

[@agulu772]

@@stever4181 why you lie If you dont know please ask Dont be foolish my friend Without the catholic church you would have been a muslim or worst the slave of a muslim

[@-melkamhasab]

Abraham from Ethiopia, I am very blessed by your ministry. God bless you.

[@chrisw8627]

Good bless you!!

[@benwade7334]

God bless you. I hope you are safe and doing well. I'm praying for Ethiopia

[@SonicSnakeRecords]

I like to make sure people understand me when I comment or speak. So let me spoon fed it to you. In Matthew 12:32, Jesus says: “And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the next.” Note, “it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the next.” This verse shows that some sins are possibly forgiven in the afterlife. Can't be in Heaven. Because Revelation 21:27 tells us, Nothing impure will ever enter it, So we know it can't be Heaven cause nothing impure can enter. It can't be Hell either. Because Matthew 25:46 tells us "And these will go away into eternal punishment, So we know it can't be Hell because that punishment is eternal. If purgatory does not exist, what could Christ be talking about? Hmm?

[@mdjordjevic08]

Former Catholic myself, now born again simply because to me I feel Catholic is an occult. Now I have a relationship with my Lord and Savior.

[@tysonguess]

If the Catholic church is a cult then so was Jesus and the apostles because we can prove with certainty that the Apostles taught every single successor Catholic interpretations of scripture. You won't find a protestant interpretation for 1600 years. This precludes protestantism from being Apostolic and is thereforn non-christian insofar as it disagrees with the one true church. Scripture says every matter must be established by 2 or 3 witnesses: Deuteronomy 19:15 "Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses." 2 Corinthians 13:1 "Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses." All of the witnesses in the first 16 centuries testify to Catholic doctrines and not protestant ones. Here is one example from St. Ignatius who was the disciple of john the apostle and was ordained by Peter himself as successor in Antioch. Notice he teaches the eucharist and the supremacy of the church of Rome: Ignatius of Antioch "Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes" (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1 [A.D. 110]). "...to the church also which holds the presidency, in the location of the country of the Romans, worthy of God, worthy of honor, worthy of blessing, worthy of praise, worthy of success, worthy of sanctification, and, because you hold the presidency in love, named after Christ and named after the Father" (Letter to the Romans 1:1 [A.D. 110]) come home to the church Christ instituted and promised would exist in every century as His teaching authority!

[@watchgoose]

@@tysonguess Jesus was Jew. Not Catholic.

[@tysonguess]

@@watchgoose Those aren't mutually exclusive descriptions. A Jew (ie..Jesus) created the Catholic church. That means he was a Jew and the originator of the Catholic church which is a verifiable fact of history.

[@GeorgePenton-np9rh]

Catholics don't have a personal relationship with Jesus? Catholics actually eat Jesus' Body and drink His Blood. How can you get more personal than that?

[@sylvia1878]

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[@koonhanong2267]

Question about 1Cor3: When Paul transitions from the field/planting analogy to the building anology, does he change the reference from Ministers to all Christians also? Seems like he might have still been refering to Ministers in the building anology.

[@MikeWinger]

I agree that he is still talking about ministers. But I also think that all Christians are ministers to some extant and that every one of us will have our works tested in this way because each person is to walk in the works prepared for them (Eph 2:10). So it is about the testing of each person's ministry labor but every person has such labor, not just those we usually think of when we say "ministers".

[@koonhanong2267]

Got it, thanks for the reply! :)

[@saramolina8911]

Totally agree. All passages are talking strictly about Masters.

[@caroltaylor3414]

@@saramolina8911 ??? How does "Master" enter into this? Do you mean "Ministers"?

[@saramolina8911]

@@caroltaylor3414 yes ministers. 👍

[@bobcarabbio4880]

"Purgatory is satan's BEST JOKE on Roman Catholics. IMAGINE satan's pleasure when a non-Christian Catholic dies, and finds themselves in "Purgatory" - but quickly realizes it's HELL!!!! And they're NEVER getting out!!!

[@TicketToRide-dj4vk]

Not only that, but purgatory actually DENIES the complete work of Redemption (purification, forgiveness of sins). BOUGHT/paid for by the shed blood and body of Jesus Christ just like Peter warned in 2Peter 2:1-3 -- Satan must get a huge laugh out of these spiritual doofuses that think they are the only church of GOD going to Heaven, when their doctrines DENY Jesus !!!

[@tomgrol9493]

Do you have any website when we can read your teaching? Thank thank you -))

[@iamdigory]

"He will suffer loss" the loss is something that you suffer "He will be saved through fire" you will go through the fire, not just your works.

[@Bachconcertos]

All who call on the name of the Lord shall be saved - not partially saved - just like u cannot be partially pregnant

[@treychastain4686]

Well I think you're partially right. Matthew 7:21-23 says not all that call on him are saved. But your point still stands

[@letstalktech96]

@@treychastain4686 Romans 10:13 says, “ For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” Jesus says “ All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out” John 6:37 The Matthew verses you mentioned are people who are boasting on works to enter the kingdom, they are unbelievers who have not accepted the finished work of Christ.

[@bairfreedom]

@@treychastain4686 In context Jesus is speaking first of the broad road, which is the religions of the world (works based systems) Then he speaks of false teachers and then immediately after that he mentiones the scriptures you quote above. So what I am seeing from full context is there will be false teachers who teach the wrong Jesus, and those will think they belong to him, and they don't, in fact, he never knew them.

[@treychastain4686]

@@bairfreedom agreed

[@auntiegrizelda4484]

There are many other biblical mandates that protestants skip over. In MATT 25 Jesus tells us we must feed the hungry & clothe the naked if we want to enter heaven. In M ATT 19:17 He tells us we must keep the commandments and in JOHN 6 He tells us we must eat his flesh and drink his blood . etc

[@ancientflames]

We barely understand a single thing about the afterlife. Heaven, hell, Sheol, the abyss, etc. In the Old Testament things like Sheol and the pit. In the NT heaven, hell and concepts like "the third Heaven" which Paul briefly mentions only to say he didn't even know if he went there physically or just in a vision. If God gave Paul the vision or clear sight of Heaven and even Paul couldn't understand it. How the heck can we understand it.

[@Myrdden71]

Jesus spoke plenty about the next life, so I'm guessing that we really can understand at least a fair amount about it, certainly enough to know which place we want to go to when we die. Paul was overwhelmed by the glory of what he saw, but that's not necessarily the same as saying that he was ignorant of what he say (i.e., did not understand it). God bless! :)

[@marvalice3455]

Im sure we will have plenty to learn about after ee finish this part of our life

[@marvalice3455]

@@Myrdden71 he talked a lot, but it all gives more questions. He told us what we need to know, not everything we may what to know.

[@somewhatinformed1208]

@@marvalice3455 What did the crazy man of the bible say we NEED to know? My favorite stories about him people deny are written in all bibles. Save us from what? He was just paranoid and wrong about things and did not know telling lies he believed was lying. he was not Jewish but he said he came to save people who were Jewish from the world ending 2 thousand years ago in their lifetime. Being wrong about many things is not the path to Salvation.

[@marvalice3455]

@@somewhatinformed1208 "he wasn't Jewish" um, what?

[@maryjaneharris6803]

Is there any way to know how Long Adam and eve where in the garden before the fall.

[@slft47]

Nope but we do know why they were sentanced to earth and how long it took for lucifers earthly form to decend

[@livingwater7580]

We have been purged by the blood of JESUS, PURGATORY denies the sufficiency of the cross

[@voltape]

Sorry, Living Water- the Cross brought you undeserved pardon. So God is no longer angry at you, but you can't get away as easily, Say, you rob from ,me $100. You come and apologize. I pardon you - that is I will consider you as my friend again -- but you still have to give me back the $100. Suppose Hitler at the moment he died accepted Jesus as his Lord and Saviour - Presto: his sins are erased and he will live with Jesus for all eternity as a born again Christian. Would that be just?? Would that entitle him to share an armchair near Mother Theresa?? Oviously not - he'll have a very very long time experiencing in purgatory all the harm he caused.

[@malamaraj6676]

@@voltape that is a lie from the pits of hell,, thenthief on the cross is perfect example,,,

[@1234poppycat]

Mala Maraj You fail because you make assumptions about the thief on the cross... Jesus knew the life of the man as well as his huge act of faith. ..... we know the life of Hitler which according to you would be saved if he declared Jesus as his God and saviour

[@malamaraj6676]

@@1234poppycat what stupidness r u speaking of, that thief went 2 heaven the second he died,, the other one went 2 hell, JESUS 4gave the thief who ask 4giveness of HIM,, the other one didnt ask, so he didnt get any,, ok

[@1234poppycat]

Again you do not understand. Jesus forgave the repentant thief because he had repented and praised Jesus but Jesus knew of his previous life up to that point.

[@mr.senorhouseband2614]

Hi Mike, my Nana is Catholic and watches Mass on the TV, however she also has something of a habit to visit Mediums and Tarot card readers. At one point in time my sister tried to talk to her about her frequenting such people, but was told by my Nana to, "stay out of it." How might I approach her with a clear presentation of the scriptures to carefully dissuade her from this visiting these people?

[@darsom2717]

@Mr. SēnorHouseband From scripture: Deuteronomy Chapter 18 9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. 10 There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, 11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a NECROMANCER. 12 For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee. www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Deuteronomy-18-9_18-12/ Definition: necromancy noun nec·ro·man·cy | \ ˈne-krə-ˌman(t)-sē \ Definition of necromancy 1 : conjuration (see conjure sense 2a) of the spirits of the dead for purposes of magically revealing the future or influencing the course of events The novel centers on the practice of necromancy and its influence on the world of the living. 2 : magic, sorcery Townspeople accused her of necromancy. www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/necromancy I truly hope this helps you brother, in Jesus' name. Amen.

[@tessa7413]

You should tell your nana that visiting mediums and tarot readers is not at all in line with her Catholic faith. Divination is strictly prohibited by the Catholic Church, and is considered grave sin. Maybe if she was more aware of what the Church teaches on this matter she would stop seeking mediums and repent. Find it in the catechism and point it out to her.

[@stevostevozz1168]

tell her the truth the bible is against such practices...no need to say catholic church prohibits it,,...just show her scripture...🤣🤣🤣🤣@@tessa7413

[@JRJohnson1701]

Can you say if John 6:4 should be in the scriptures if it weren't in the earliest manuscripts?

[@chrisazure1624]

I looked into the 2 Maccabees 12 passage and have a couple concerns. First, would this not be a pre-christian practice? I think we would need a clear repetition post-resurrection to establish this as a practice we should do today. Second, was the activity efficacious? We are given no indication that action accomplished anything. It says that they "might" be saved. Other than making their companions feel better about their fallen comrades, it does not tell us anything.

[@Veritas1234]

To be fair though, we're given no indication that saying the Believer's prayer saves your soul and gives you eternal security either, but I imagine you believe in that (depending on which Protestant denom you are). I think your first point is a good one though.

[@sandina2cents779]

Read the story carefully. It has nothing to do with purgatory. The general was confused as to why all the platoon was killed because they were supposed to be on Gods side. They go to clear the bodies and find charms of other gods. He realizes they were committing idolatry and that’s why God didn’t protect them and they all died. So he sends a bunch of money to the church to try to get Gods wrath off of him and his men that are still alive. That’s it! And it’s doesn’t say even if it worked. In the Catholic Church idolatry is a mortal sin and you go straight to hell for that of you don’t confess it. You can’t give arms for people in hell and they can’t be saved. He wasn’t concerned about the people who died, after all they died committing a mortal sin. He was concerned about getting God’s wrath of him and his other soldiers.

[@chrisazure1624]

@@sandina2cents779 The whole thing was a presumption on the general's part. He was trying to divine the will of God based on unstated connections with idols. You are right, it has nothing to do with purgatory and is over reaching to invent a belief based on this passage.

[@sandina2cents779]

@@chrisazure1624 I don’t know how many Catholics told me second Maccabees taught purgatory before I actually looked it up and read the story. My argument was that second Maccabees was an apocrypha book. But I should’ve read the story the first time it was referred to me. I would’ve seen it had nothing to do with purgatory. After that I did have a three day conversation with a Catholic and in the end when she couldn’t find any more scriptures she said well the church said so. And I said Yep that’s my point. I don’t think she had actually read 2nd Maccabees, I think that’s the line they’re given and they go with it.

[@digging4pearls961]

That's an Apocrypha book which are all filled with lies that contradict the Bible. Those books included in the Catholic bible were written hundreds of years after the Old Testament was closed and the New Testament was completed and the true prophets and apostles were dead. They were written to build false doctrines and undermine God's Word.

[@ScottPalmer-mp1we]

I think the problem with Catholic doctrine is the tendency to take verses out of context and to not compare scripture to scripture. From my examination of videos and writings which, admittedly, is not exhaustive, I get the impression that they greatly downgrade the efficacy of the blood of our glorious Savior Jesus Christ. That's why I particularly love the books of Hebrews and Romans which are what I call sister books. Hebrews says that "by one offering he hath perfected forever those who are sanctified." Those who believe that we have any part in

[@rogerevans9666]

polite, civil, friendly, well informed, lucidly explained

[@cynthiax56]

➔ The entire foundation of Protestantism is false:... ➔The Bible ITSELF Contradicts Luther's doctrine of "scripture alone" (solascriptura) The Bible tells us that the authority is THE CHURCH: ... ● 1 TIMOTHY 3:15 The pillar & foundation of TRUTH is the CHURCH. ● 2 TIMOTHY 2 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. And the things that thou hast HEARD from me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also. ● EPHESIANS 3:10 10 His intent was that now, THROUGH THE CHURCH, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, ● JOHN 21:25 Jesus said & did Many other things that are too numerous to be recorded in writing. ● 2 THESS 2:15 We are to hold fast to the TRADITIONS we have been given, either by WORD OF MOUTH or by the letter. ● 1 COR 11:2 I commend you because you remember me in everything, and maintain the TRADITIONS even as I have delivered them to you. ● HEB 13:17 Obey the eldars in the CHURCH. ● COR 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. ● HEBREWS 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. 2 COR 5:20 says that God appointed men in the Church to represent Him. And, in HEB 13:17, God appointed men in the Church to have the rule over His Flock. ● JOHN 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. ● MATT 18:15-17 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto THE CHURCH: but IF HE NEGLECTS TO HEARTHE CHURCH let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. The True Church is a TEACHING Church: (to Teach means to impart knowledge that is not presently know....not in writing) ● JOHN 14:26-31 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall TEACH you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have SAID unto you. (Spoken words...not in writing) (To TEACH is to impart knowledge that is not presently known....not in writing) ● ACTS 8:31: And he said, HOW CAN I, (understand scripture) EXCEPT SOMEONE SHOULD GUIDE ME? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. (The scriptures are not for individual interpretation. They need the guidance of the CHURCH. It is PROTESTANTS who are following the doctrines of a man.) nnnnnnnnnnnnnnn ➔ Martin Luther vs the Bile (Protestantsm, the broad and easy way that leads to hell) ➨ WORKS, PENANCE, & PURGATORY (All copied from the protestant version of the Bible by Cynthia x) ➨WORKS: 👉👉 EPHESIANS 2:10 (KJV) Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9 👉👉 and they STOP before they get to number 10: 8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10): 👉👉 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM. MOREE scriptures that demand good works from us: ● REV 20:12...The dead are judged BY THEIR WORKS. ● REV 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man ACCORDING TO HIS WORK shall be. ● REV 19:8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. ● JAMES 2:18 Faith without works is dead ● MATTEW 19:17 Jesus tells us if we want to enter into Life, we must keep the commandments. ● MATTHEW 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your GOOD DEEDSand glorify your Father in heaven. ● JAMES 2:24 A man is justified by works, and not by faith only. ● ROMANS 2:6 He will judge everyone ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. ● ROMANS 2:13 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. ● MATTHEW 7:21 Not everyone who says to me: "Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven but only those WHO DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER. ● PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. ● MATT 25:35-40 JESUS tells us to feed the hungry & clothe the naked (good works). He further warns us that those who do NOT will be sent away into the eternal fire., but those who do these WORKS will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. ● LUKE 16:19-30 The story of Lazarus and the rich man shows us that the rich man went to hell for refusing to help Lazarus who was poor and hungry. (He refused to do good works) ● TITUS 3:14 KJV And let our's also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful. ● EPHESIANS 2:8-11 (KJV) Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9 and they STOP before they get to number 10: 8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10): ➨ 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM. ● 1 COR 9:27 (KJV) (Paul speaking) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a cast away. ● MATT 12:36-37 36 But I say unto you, That every idle WORD THAT MEN SHALL SOEAK, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE JUSTIFIED, and BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE CONDEMNED. (not by yout faith alone) ➨PENENCE: Protestants reject the idea that they must do "penence" (attempt to make up for the sins they have committed) ● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over. ● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast. ● Matthew 6:16 When you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do ● ACTS 26:20 RSV but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance. ● ACTS 2:38-40: (This one is in the Catholic Bible) Do Penance and be baptized everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is to you AND YOUR CHILDREN, and to all who are far off who the Lord our God shall call. ● COLOSSIANS 1:24-2:7 kjv 24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: Protestants claim that "Jesus did it all" and that nothing is required of them except for faith, but JESUS tells us we must feed the hungry & clothe the naked (Good works) if we want to enter the Kingdom of God, and if we do NOT, we will be sent away into the eternal fire. ● Colossians 1:24 Tells us we share in the suffering of Chrst 24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the c● hurch, ● Acts 14:22 22 strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying, “We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.” ➨PURGATORY:. ● 2 TIMOTHY 1: 16-18. Paul prays for the dead Onesiphorus. ● 1 PETER 4:6 The gospel was preached to the dead. ● 1 PETER 3:19 , Peter says that after the crucifixion and death of Jesus, that Jesus "went to speak to the spirits in prison", which means that there is a place people go to after they die that is a prison and not heaven nor hell. ● MATT 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will Not be forgiven, either in this world, nor in the "world to come" This implies that some sins are forgiven in the "world to come" (purgatory) ● also 1 COR 3:12-15 & more in the Catholic Bible: (2 Mace 12:46). “It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins”

[@Shaara1]

Yeah...and wrong.🙂

[@dotengr]

Purgatory is clearly evidenced in 1 Peter 3:18-20 ...Jesus went to preach to spirits in prison who disobeyed .. during the time of Noah, what is this ... called ?

[@JeffreyMyersII]

​@@dotengr that would be sheol, friend. you know, where hades and abraham's bossom was. if that's what catholics mean by purgatory, it ended when Jesus was crucified. do catholic priests teach any jewish concepts? if not, no wonder there are so many heretical false doctrines.

[@JeffreyMyersII]

​​​@@dotengr have a question for you. why are the Scriptures which catholics refer to for the doctrine of purgatory all in the old testament? even 1 peter 3 :19-20 references the old testament.

[@vickih5405]

Mike would you please upload this to apple podcast so I can forward this to my husband to listen to?

[@bethl]

I hope you were able to link to this KZbin video.

[@thewarmachine777]

Love your videos... question..have you done any videos on the rapture??

[@cdeep4548]

The rapture is made up.

[@ifeanyichukwu3644]

@@cdeep4548 no..

[@cdeep4548]

@@ifeanyichukwu3644 Yes

[@jeffreycole2816]

There will not be a rapture of any kind.

[@samuelaguilar9668]

I really love watching his videos. Even though I don't agree on some things but most of his videos are helpful for me. Thanks God for this channel. 🙏 🙌

[@christsavesreadromans1096]

The Bible alludes to purgatory. 1 Corinthians 3:15, “saved but only as through fire.” If fire is only for the unsaved then why would any saved people be going through fire?

[@bornagainsaint1]

The foundation that Paul and Peter were talking about is Jesus and Him only. The foundation is not the papacy nor any other person. We build our faith and trust in Jesus, He is the foundation and He sustains us !!!!!!

[@markgifford5241]

READ BELOW...LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AND THANK YOU BUDDY!

[@elainepalmbos5300]

I have just found your videos on KZbin. I have listened to many teachings (yours and others). I just want to say thank you for these teachings. You have done a deep dive into why Catholicism teaches what it teaches. I have understood in a surface way but this makes the “why” easier to understand. I have Catholic loved ones..praying they will one day find the Bible as their only guide.

[@bridgefin]

Catholics provided you with the bible. You need to find its authentic teaching.

[@Fxrichards]

The Catholic s never provided anyone with the Bible …. since the councils held by them after about 600 AD they systematically started to remove and KILL anybody who does not agree with them which eventually resulted in the Dark Middle Ages where the Bible was removed from circulation. It was only their priests who god gave the permission to read the Bible….. What a sad joke! It took a Roman Catholic priest Jan Huss (who they killed by burning him- savages!) and then theRC priest Luther to get the Bible to the ordinary people. To this day the RC try to control the ordinary man with hocus pocus which is not in the Bible…

[@bridgefin]

@@Fxrichards What a complete package of garbage! Whoever is telling you those lies will be thrown into Hell and prepare a place for you. Liars do not enter Heaven. Those who lie to turn people away from Christ have a deep pit in Hell.

[@Fxrichards]

@@bridgefin no use to get emotional. It seems that you are ignorant in terms of church history. However, you do not have to go to a tertiary institution (like I and thousand s of others did) to access that information/ history. You can Google it independently and verify what I said. Believe me you will be shocked….

[@bridgefin]

@@Fxrichards I have read the history and you posted complete garbage. You: The Catholic s never provided anyone with the Bible Me: Catholic monks produced tens of thousands of excellent copies of the bible so that we could have it today. The Catholic Church provided the bible to EVERYONE!!!! You: …. since the councils held by them after about 600 AD they systematically started to remove and KILL anybody who does not agree with them Everyone who went with the Reformers were post 600 and your claim that they were all killed is absolute garbage. You: which eventually resulted in the Dark Middle Ages where the Bible was removed from circulation. Me: It was never IN Circulation!! Igno ramous, do you have any idea what it cost to produce a bible in those days? Hundreds of sheep and the smartest guy in the province dedicated for 3 to 10 years to produce ONE bible. In today's currency that would approach a million dollars PER BIBLE. And that is why bibles were chained to prevent their walking away. You: It was only their priests who god gave the permission to read the Bible….. What a sad joke! Me: A sad outright lie. You: It took a Roman Catholic priest Jan Huss (who they killed by burning him- savages!) and then theRC priest Luther to get the Bible to the ordinary people. Me: What a joke. When Luther finally provided a German language to the people it was the THE ELEVENTH German bible with the prior ten being Catholic translations. Stop your silly agenda and start reading. You: To this day the RC try to control the ordinary man with hocus pocus which is not in the Bible… Me: May you not experience the flames you deserve from such a blasphemous comment.

[@numanuma20]

Have you every done a video on the sinner’s prayer and if it is biblical?

[@lalagordo]

Chris Garner its not

[@numanuma20]

Not Well Planned I thought so. I just wanted to know why some churches believe in it when Acts 2:38 clearly state that we are to be baptized.

[@somewhatinformed1208]

@@numanuma20 repeat a lie till people believe and repeat the lie. quick explanation of religious beliefs no JUST christian beliefs.

[@bornagainsaint6923]

@@numanuma20 , Wrong, baptism is important and every Born Again believer should get baptized But not necessary for Salvation. Put that verse in the overall context of Scripture. Salvation is by God's grace and mercy through faith in Jesus Christ and his finished work on the Cross.

[@lisaburnside2101]

Thank you Pastor Mike I have been trying to give this truth to several people I love.

[@somewhatinformed1208]

Repeating lies you believe is lying.

[@somewhatinformed1208]

@Thomas B nope I brainwashed myself with the Bible read it a thousand times my first year as a Christian. I do keep hearing about crazy things different denominations believe. I was indoctrinated by a bunch of exCatholics of why I should be Protestant which means the protest the Catholic Church.

[@MasterfulPeon]

@@somewhatinformed1208 A lie is acting with intent to deceive. There’s a big difference.

[@christsavesreadromans1096]

The Bible alludes to purgatory. 1 Corinthians 3:15, “saved but only as through fire.” If fire is only for the unsaved then why would any saved people be going through fire?

[@TriciaPerry-ef7bi]

​@@christsavesreadromans1096alude and assumptions are not of Christ It is talking about trials and tribulation s

[@mcr5577]

Hey Mike. What are your thoughts about Abrahams bosom ? Parable or real?

[@virtualzhbl]

MC R --- Obviously it's a Parable.

[@mcr5577]

@@virtualzhbl why is it "obvious?"

[@gigahorse1475]

@@virtualzhbl Well... it’s confusing because when you look at Jesus’ parables, they are all about real things.

[@thedude4594]

Emptied

[@sandina2cents779]

Abrahams bosom is absolutely a real place. It’s the top half of Sheol. There is nothing in the text that says it’s a parable. Most parables say they are parables and this one doesn’t. Also in the story of Lazarus and the rich man (where Abrahams bosom is mentioned) he has a name. In parables its said, “a person”, “a woman”, or “a man”, they are never named. So it’s a real and accurate story.

[@Hotsauce-cj7kj]

Mike, I call you the ‘Wingman’ as a nickname. For example, *what does the Wingman have to say today? But the reason I’m commenting today supersedes the first thing I said. Just wanna say I love you brother. You’re one of the/my, top notch KZbin Christian apologists. Thank you for exuding your articulately descriptive Biblical explanations. If I ever get a chance to meet you, look the heck out, because you’re going to receive the biggest bear hug you’ve ever had!

[@peteroliver7943]

The question is does the Bible teach purgatory, NO.

[@hightide1500]

Purgatory is believed only in the Roman Catholic Church and not found within traditional Orthodox, evangelical doctrines, etc. Am I wrong?

[@margaretrutherford5548]

As far as I can make out, orthodox Christians believe in different levels of hell and that hell isn't always permanent so that seems rather like purgatory

[@shortstopmotions]

The teaching on purgatory is also found within the king James version of the Bible

[@lordtyrus1]

Mike is it possible to put time stamps in your longer videos?

[@somewhatinformed1208]

all things are possible for those who believe. Have faith.

[@kevinschaefer3945]

I'm just asking out of honest curiosity, so please don't feel attacked, but what are the differences (If any) between mortal and cardinal sins how does a Catholic obtain forgiveness for them?

[@nickswicegood4316]

@Kevin Schaefer Hi, As a Catholic we differentiate between mortal and venial, not mortal and cardinal. This comes from 1st John: "If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask, and God will give him life-to those who commit sins that do not lead to death. There is sin that leads to death; I do not say that one should pray for that." 1 John 5:16 ESV So sins that do not lead to death (venial) we just simply pray for forgiveness. Sins that lead to death (mortal) we are told in that text not to simply pray. At the beginning of 1John (1:9-10) we are told to confess our sins to recieve forgiveness from God. This is done by bringing those to confession and actually confessing them to a priest who has authority to proclaim they are forgiven according to John's gospel: 21 Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.” 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.” John 20:21‭-‬23 ESV Hope that helps! Peace.

[@redit5332]

Thank you for this message. May all who hear it be blessed. :)

[@augustuslc]

Hello Mike, I’m a catholic, and after listening to your interpretation of 1st Corinthians 3 1-18, I’m amazed how different our interpretations can be. Ok, here is what I read from this very important chapter: first of all, the chapter is not presented towards ministries its presented toward the whole community, it’s for any Christian to consider. At that time the Corinthian community was leaving the original doctrine and the ppl responsible for the community felt impotent to face the internal divisions and the doubts with respect to faith. That’s why they call Paul who at that time was being retain in Efeso for his apostolic work, but he send this letter as a response, it was meant to be read in the mass celebrations of the ancient church to reinforce the faith of the community and to unite them. Paul starts reprimanding the Christians of the Corinthian community that are causing division because they side with a particular minister, without understanding that the ministers complement each other on giving the seed of Jesus Christ to the hearts of the people, but it is through God that this faith truly grows. Paul puts himself as example and he explains how his works are helping to build the church (the Christian community or Gods plan) but remind us that the foundation should always be Jesus Christ. He explains that each will be rewarded according to the works that we do. Then he presents how the quality of our works will be truly revealed and put to test in the day of Judgement, if our works are pure enough, we will be rewarded and go straight to heaven. Now if our works are not pure enough (for example if we have helped poor ppl with what we have left compared to others that give everything they have including their lives to help the poor by serving them), he said that we will still be saved (because the grace of salvation came of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ our lord) but we don’t go straight to heaven, we go through a purification process in which all of our works that are not pure enough will be burned and then we will go to heaven, this process is what the Catholic church calls Purgatory, if you don’t like the word you can call it: purification phase as the name is not important. This is why the catholic church teaches that we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ, but that we should also care about the works we do in this life because faith and works should go together as both build our soul to be pure enough to go to straight to heaven.

[@MrTHEMADGUY]

Thanks for your interesting comment. I find it of high quality even though I disagree with your interpretation. I hope to have time soon to discuss it a bit, although I'm far too busy now, hence this short "thanks" message. Writing it as a regular viewer of Mike Winger's videos who generally agrees with his analysis.

[@hotwings80]

Verse 9 makes the clear distinction between the ones who plant/water (ministers) and God's field/building (the rest of the church) the context is always on the ministers. Read verses 5-9 carefully.

[@davidbermudez7704]

False

[@robertszontagh1297]

1 Corinthians 3 is not dealing with purification or purgatory. We must all appear before the Judgement Seat of Christ. The question does not deal with Salvation or Heaven. That is dealt with when an individual trusts Christ as Savior. Every man’s work will be tested and rewards given. The question will be what and why you did what you did . As a former Roman Catholic I assumed I would spend a couple thousand years in Purgatory. I was not saved. I was trusting my baptism, the sacraments, my works of charity, my Hail Marys, my good deeds etc. These are the thing’s nearly every Catholic I ever met trusts in along with Jesus death, burial and resurrection. That’s not Bible salvation!

[@bernard9349]

Good point 🙏

[@AzrockOmegaMan]

Hi. Pastir Mike. I love your ministry, and pray for others to recieve clarity from you as well. I have a question short, and sweet. I am aa christian, and my question is are rewards really that important, and why?

[@frenchtoast2319]

We won’t be jealous of others who are given high rewards. We will rejoice with them. There won’t be shame for having fewer rewards.

[@wiredupretro]

The rewards may translate to better and bigger opportunities to be used by God in the hereafter... well, that's how I make sense of it anyway.

[@mugglescakesniffer3943]

Which bible are you referring to and which cannon? There are a few different cannons so depending upon your denomination you may or may not have scripture that supports this view.

[@eddtoosu2946]

Exactly

[@Ampwich]

It's the same Bible we all believe in....Maybe different translation but it's the same scripture.

[@mugglescakesniffer3943]

@@AmpwichSo you believe that Esdras, Sirach, the Shepherd of Hermas Bell and the Dragon and the Book of Enoch are scriptures then. Ok

[@jesseviers487]

What you said about Luther is spot on! I had a Catholic tell me that Luther was a horrible person and had really weird beliefs so I should not be Protestant! I said, Luther is not my authority! Only scripture alone! I don’t learn everything from early church fathers, priests, the reformers, or anyone else! Only Jesus and His Word

[@loboman8029]

YOU = What you said about Luther is spot on! ME = When ex-Catholic monk, Martin Luther who had belonged to the strict Augustinian order which practiced severe penances, broke away and started the Protestant Reformation, he changed the focus from Jesus in the 4 Gospels to the " cherry-picked " passages in the other NT letters, mostly Paul's epistles, and moved from Practical Christianity to a Philosophical version which was devoid of the Cross and reduced it to a " Easy Christianity and Cheap Grace " version. Jesus defined a Christian = Must take up one's Cross daily, deny oneself and follow in His footsteps. On the other hand, Luther declared " Sola Scriptura " or the authority of the Bible alone thus ignoring Oral Tradition. For Christ died between 30 to 40 AD whereas the earliest Gospels of Mark and Matthew were written over 25 years after, during which time Oral Tradition was the guiding force. Moreover, John 21:25 declares that Jesus did a = world of works = which are unrecorded. Thus Paul stated that there were 2 traditions = oral and written = Thessalonians 2:15. Thus by only holding to the written tradition. the Bible, Protestants are only receiving part of the message For Jesus is the Word of God = John 1:1 = who was sent by The Father as the Way Truth and Life and to teach us how to reach Heaven. And words can be spoken as well as written. The Bible only contains the written word. Protestants believe that Jesus paid for all sin, as we could not pay the sin debt. Jesus paid it all once for all. And they sadly believe that God will forgive, not only sins against God, but also sins against Neighbour.= Check Matthew 6:14-15 and Matthew 18:32-35. I urge you to read a Red-Letter Bible precisely to clear any misunderstandings you have about being " saved." I present the examples of Ananias and Sapphira from the 1st Christian - Faith - community who were "executed " by God for just dishonesty and lying - Acts 5. And this occurred just a short time = after = Jesus' Heavenly ascent. And Jesus' threat to spew out and vomit the lukewarm Laodicean church - Rev 3. Obviously, these people were = not = saved. Moreover, the final judgement is based on works of Love = Matthew 25. This statement is by Jesus, God and Judge. Protestants have long been weaned on Paul's letters and wrongly equate " saved " with being granted "heavenly citizenship." This is despite the fact that Paul stated in Galatians 5:19-21 that Christians who do works of the flesh will = not = inherit the kingdom of God. In other words they will not receive heavenly citizenship. Protestants base their theology - their basic belief systems and doctrines, instead of the Gospels, on Paul's letters especially =For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not from you; it is the gift of God; 9it is not from works, so no one may boast = Ephesians 2:8-9 = and have arrived at religious philosophy that is distant from practical Christianity. Protestants believe that Jesus came to earth to die and take away all sins and its guilt association. His cry - It is finished - proved that human redemption from sin was completed, and that those who believe in Jesus would have their names forever written in the Lamb's Book of Life and at the time of death, they would be - absent in the flesh, present with the Lord forever - no matter how many or how grievous they committed sins. Others would be caught up and - raptured - to be with Jesus forever. Thus the promise of salvation was God's free gift - grace - to them. From the Oral Tradition, Catholics believe that when Adam and Eve sinned, God not only cast them from Eden, and laid - Original Sin - on all their descendants, but also slammed the gates of Heaven shut. God then required that a man must pay the penalty of the man Adam's sin in order to atone for the Original Sins of mankind and thereby open Heaven's gates. However, no man was found to be worthy - sinless - so in the fullness of time, God sent His Son, Jesus, to live sinlessly and die to pay that penalty.. It is finished - was Jesus' cry of Mission accomplished and that Heaven was now open. And that all = original = sins of those past, those present and those still unborn would be forever wiped away. And that Baptism is a one-time - Grace - event that washes all prior sins - 1 Peter 3:21 - However, we are responsible for all sins after, as evidenced by God's " execution " of the couple Ananias and Sapphira from the 1st Christian Faith community for the relatively " minor " sins of dishonesty and lying. And this occurred just a short time = after = Jesus' heavenly ascent. Saved by grace is thus Jesus' freewill offering of Himself to pay the penalty of Adam's sin and thereby open the gates of Heaven. Jesus commanded, not suggested, the love of God and neighbour. The Cross is the symbol of Love. The vertical beam represents our Love of God and the horizontal beam, our Love of Neighbour. Thus the cross has become the key to open Heaven which is a place of unconditional love where all other virtues of peace, joy, happiness can be enjoyed.

[@jesseviers487]

@@loboman8029 sorry I’m definitely not reading all that, but I respect your beliefs

[@therealmaskriz5716]

​@loboman8029 wait so he removed the Gospels????????😂😂😂😂😂 oh no they're still there

[@loboman8029]

@@therealmaskriz5716 Friend = Where did I say Loser, I mean Luther, = removed - the Gospels ??? What I said was that Loser, I mean Luther, = changed the focus from Jesus in the 4 Gospels = Re-read When ex-Catholic monk, Martin Luther who had belonged to the strict Augustinian order which practiced severe penances, broke away and started the Protestant Reformation, he changed the focus from Jesus in the 4 Gospels to the " cherry-picked " passages in the other NT letters, mostly Paul's epistles, and moved from Practical Christianity to a Philosophical version which was devoid of the Cross and reduced it to a " Easy Christianity and Cheap Grace " version.

[@therealmaskriz5716]

@@loboman8029 how can you change focus from the Gospels to the epistles they're both still in our bibles. The catholics use the epistles themselves to argue for purgatory and such. It's such a nonsense take.

[@Bachconcertos]

I died in 1985 & the love, light, power of God brought me live & healing - I did not share the experience for over 25 years & when I did know one believed me anyway.

[@sandina2cents779]

Keep sharing it anyway, it may help someone. (Assuming it follows scripture) If it helps and encourages 1 out of 1000 people you tell and because of it, they seek Jesus then its worth it! : ) I know how you feel about people not believing you. I have what they call “sleep paralysis” (not accurate at all) and most people I tell think I’m dreaming or crazy or making it up, but I had someone tell me that they thought they were going insane and knowing it was real and that loving Jesus and calling upon his name would help them out of it really did helped them seek Jesus. Ps. It used to happen to me several times a week for years and now that I’ve been following Jesus and rebuking demons in his name it only happens to me a couple times a year. So I’m not crazy because people are not insane for many years then become sane. It’s real and a spiritual battle for those who have the gift of discernment of spirits. 1 cor 12:10

[@Bachconcertos]

@@sandina2cents779 yes I had sleep paral too - demons sitting on your chest - exactly the. Name of Jesus & they are gone. I have not had any sleep paral in five years - I study my Bi ble daily & sing Psalms daily. - will start my youtube channel &. Begin sharing soon

[@sandina2cents779]

@@Bachconcertos 🙂👍

[@christsavesreadromans1096]

The Bible alludes to purgatory. 1 Corinthians 3:15, “saved but only as through fire.” If fire is only for the unsaved then why would any saved people be going through fire?

[@Bachconcertos]

@@christsavesreadromans1096 Jesus is an all consuming fire. His fire cleanses u

[@rightwaygames880]

Wonderful video! I've been searching for a good explanation of 1 Corinthians 3. God bless

[@Impact_Player]

I know this topic is about Purgatory, but is it wrong that when I hear 1Cor. 3:4 that my brain immediately thinks of things like Calvinism and Arminianism or other forms of thinking based on the works of another follower of Christ? It just seems to me that the passage that says '"I am of Paul, and another, "I am of Apollos"' you can substitute those names for other theologians that people came to the knowledge of God through.

[@rebeccasmith1812]

This seemed a very good teaching, Mike, & I am Sharing!

[@inyahwehwetrust4773]

Well, after hearing Mike read 2Maccabees we can see why it is not considered to be inspired and is not included in the canon of Scripture. Shalom, Alan

[@BrandonMedina]

Mike, how do I find your podcast? BibleThinker has only ones from 2015 and before. I cannot find anything newer than that.

[@MikeWinger]

So there is a bit of confusion there and it’s my fault. The podcast you found is the right one and the episodes seem old because they are dated based on when I originally taught the message not based on when they were added to the podcast (which only started a few months ago). I’m hoping to update them more as time goes on and in the future I will date them based on when they appear on the podcast so it won’t confuse people.

[@BrandonMedina]

Good to know, thanks.

[@BrandonMedina]

Mike, just a heads up. In Pocketcasts, the app I use, because the dates are 2015 it says in the information tag "the show appears to be on a break or discontinued." I don't use other apps but they may say the same thing as well, that might be hurting your search relevance or whatever they call it in the podcast world. Any way I found it and thanks again.

[@MikeWinger]

Thank you.

[@blindvision4703]

@Mike Winger: Hey, Pastor Mike, could you please address the Catholic claim that baptism is a mandatory work? I’ve been having a discussion on your “Roman Catholicism: contending for the faith “video, and one Catholic, Purgatorean, said that he challenged you in many other protestants on this issue, but that you didn’t respond. I would greatly appreciate your input on this issue. Thanks and God bless.

[@TheMarymicheal]

He won't respond, He doesn't want to come down , because he gets revealed if he is ready to have discussion or debate.

[@hanhum]

Can you do a video on the teachings of “Outer darkness” and the feast of the bride groom during the millennium?

[@klintonhaw]

Sometimes called "outside". It depicts Hell. In the New Testament, the greek word for Hell is Gehenna. Gehenna is literally the Valley of Hinnom, just outside of Jerusalem. And in Revelation, Heaven is depicted as new Jerusalem. So it makes sense that Hell is outside of Jerusalem. It is in some sense outer darkness. Darkness is usually associated with sin.

[@Hypnotoad206]

@@klintonhaw The new Jerusalem is also called the mother of the church in Galatians 4:26. For some strange reason, Catholic theology calls Mary the "daughter of Zion"... how could someone confuse an entire nation with just a single woman? Israel is the "daughter" of Zion

[@canabiss8297]

mackabees is clearly not scripture... just listen to it

[@mailmallett]

Is there any hope of doing a series for non Christians that believe in a creator but haven't grown up with the bible and don't really know what they are talking about.

[@sandina2cents779]

Have you seen Frank Turek series called I don’t have enough faith to be an atheist? I can send you links if interested. He goes over scientific and historical proofs as well.

[@ebangoosa]

Is there a teaching on how the apocrypha was established?

[@bridgefin]

Yes, Protestant rebellion. Man putting themselves above God. Tower of Babel all over again!

[@albusai]

Bridgefin the Jewish people don’t hold the apocryphal as inspired,, do you have the book of jubilee, jasher , Enoch , book of giants ??

[@GeorgePenton-np9rh]

Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach, Baruch, and 1 and 2 Maccabees are inspired of God and belong in the Bible because our Holy Mother Catholic Church says that they do . Case closed. For further information google "Council of Rome".

[@blackdog1153]

These books were in the Septuagint at the time the Apostles were around and plenty who were under the Apostles quoted from them Jesus Christ did too. Some of these books were in the original KJV up until the turn of the century. Eastern Orthodox churches have 72 books instead of 66 more than the Roman Catholic.

[@sergiosturino2071]

please pray for me. I have finished my chemotherapy for cancer. While undergoing treatment my two daughters moved out suddenly, my mother died, and my wife almost died due to covid. I suffer from anxiety attacks and depression. I suddenly have become an empty nester. I have been crying every day since February 27th the day my eldest daughter left. I am anxious about my situation and feel like i'm not needed anymore. Feel like a senior in an old folks home just waiting for death or the rapture. I'm expected back at work on August 3rd and I am fearful of going back. I have 2.5years before I can get a full pension. Am in debt for$26,000. My sisters are fighting for money from my mothers house. And call me often to complain. Like Elijah, I have prayed to the Lord to take my life

[@bornagainsaint6923]

You're going through a bad time right now, every believer has been there stay faithful, keep praying and in the word, it'll pass. Peace in Jesus name.

[@TriciaPerry-ef7bi]

​@@bornagainsaint6923please pray for me I was born again and fine and was not living in sins. I want back I shouldn't not have did immoral or grieve the HOLY GHOST in error. I want back. Not this world I spoke bad and WAS IN CHRIST I didn't mean this at all. Esp TV AND MOVIES. .... PLEASE PRAY

[@maksymiliankosowski2276]

Mike, in fact, the septuagint canon was included in the earliest Christian old testaments (for example in the St Priscilla catacumb of the II century AD one of the paintings depicts a scene from Daniel chapter 13, absent from the hebrew bible). Not to mention that multiple quotes of the old testament in the gospels come from the septuagint canon.

[@jackiedunn9404]

In the early Catholic church

[@intensewordsessionswithnic7314]

Can someone help me with this verse. I need a clear context. Someone on facebook butchered me with this verse. I think he's wrong but I'm not that confident with my theology on that matter: 1 Peter 3:19-20(KJV) By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

[@davidbermudez7704]

Jesus proclaimed His victory upon the Cross to “spirits in prison” NOT saved them because they were disobedient and ignored Noah’s message. God only SAVED Noah and his family in the Ark after it was shut He destroyed the wicked.

[@sandina2cents779]

It says he made a proclamation not preached. (guess it depends which version you read- you have to ask a scholar which is more accurate) Proclamation is an announcement of great importance. So after he was crucified, he made an announcement to the people in the tournament half of Sheol. It doesn’t say they accepted what he said or were changed or were saved. Sheol is two parts, just like Jesus described in the story of the rich man and Lazarus. The top half is Paradise or Abrahams bosom, where he told the thief on the cross he would see him that day, and the bottom half is a place of torment where the rich man went. When he died, he went to Sheol (not heaven-that’s why he told Mary not to touch him for he had not been to the father yet). Jesus was with the thief in paradise like he said, and he proclaimed something to the people in torment. Hope that helps.

[@ChaosCros]

Do we go to heaven when we die? The closest verse I can find is "We are confident, I say, and willing rather be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." 2 Corinthians 5:8. However, this passage does not say we go to heaven. This passage just seems to be clarifying Paul's trip the third heaven. I am having trouble maintaining this traditional church doctrine without biblical support. Can you help?

[@nicholasjames5181]

Nathanael Wisecup the Bible says when you die your soul departs. You either are saved and go to heaven or hell if you're lost. If you're present with the Lord and the Lord is in heaven then you yourself are in heaven. There's only two places. You also return to meet your body in ground at the rapture when Christians receive our glorified bodies.

[@ChaosCros]

Nicholas James actually what I'm looking for is a actual scripture so if you can please quote books chapters verses that describe this in context I would greatly appreciate it thank you

[@nicholasjames5181]

Nathanael Wisecup Nathanael Wisecup here's where the Bible tells us our souls depart after death. Genesis 35:“18. And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.” Here's our apostle telling us that when we're absent from the body we're present with the Lord. I know you know that the Lord Jesus Christ is in heaven right? So if we're present with the Lord and he's in heaven the only place we could be is in heaven. Plus there's only three places, heaven, earth, or hell! 2 Corinthian's 5:“6. Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7. (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8. We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.” Everyone who is saved and dies, their souls go to heaven until the rapture and your body stays in the ground. At the rapture all souls return with Christ in the clouds to meet their resurrected bodies and that's why the dead raises first and then we who are alive are changed in a moment in a twinkling of an eye, that's the church receiving our glorified bodies. 1 Corinthian's 15:51-53. Everyone who dies and aren't saved go straight into hell and they stays in hell until the end of the millennium kingdom and are released to be judged by Christ and then thrown into the lake of fire for eternity! Luke 16:“22. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23. And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.” Revelation 20:“13. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” 2 Corinthian's 5:8 isn't referring to Paul being taken to the third heaven. Paul was taken to be shown some mysteries. 7 mysteries to be exact but 2 Corinthian's 5:8 is referring to the church not Paul himself. That's why it says "WE" and not "I" or "ME" we are the church who Paul is preaching too! Before in Old Testament when you died and didn't go,to hell you went to a place called Abraham's bosom as you see in the scriptures above. After Christ was crucified he went to preach in hell and to lead the people in Abraham's bosom which is also called paradise and lead them into heaven. Not only that but their bodies were also resurrected at the same time, then Christ returned to earth and stayed 40 days with the apostle before ascending back into heaven. So it's a Biblical fact that we go to heaven after death and anyone who tells you something else they surly don't know the scriptures which most people actually don't but pretend to know only. Let me know if this helps you!

[@ChaosCros]

Nicholas James so is there like a judgment immediately after we die and then another judgment when Christ returns? Also, why do the dead in Christ have to rise first if they are already in heaven, when the rapture takes place?

[@nicholasjames5181]

Nathanael Wisecup there's no judgment when you die right away. The church is judged after the rapture its one of the reasons we go to heaven. The Bible says it's appointed for men to die once but not every man is appointed to die once. This is referring to Jesus Christ himself because some men will never die, some die once and some die twice even. But it could also be referring to us in a way as well because lots of scriptures can have a double application but if you read it it's in the context of Jesus Christ. Jesus was appointed once to die and then he's going to judge everyone when he sees us at the rapture and he will judge the rest when he sees them after the millennium kingdom. If that's the case then there's lots of judgments days but there's only two, the judgment seat of Christ and the great white throne judgment. Plus not everyone will die either because lots of people will be alive when the rapture happens and those people will never die, plus those small few who actually make it through the tribulation will not die either if they live right and obey Jesus during the millennium kingdom. People will go back to dealing living up to a thousand years old again like it was during the time of Adam and Eve. There's no judgment when Christ returns but he's going to throw everyone against him into hell for a thousand years with Satan and the false prophet though. The church has already been judged and we return with Christ with our crowns and white garments. Those people who are thrown into hell are released after the thousands years are up because Satan is released to deceive the nation once again after the thousands years and will convince people who don't like living under the rules of Jesus and that's the last battle on earth called Gog and Magog! Read revelation 20 for more details and you will see it. The great white throne judgment happens after Satan convinces lots of the nation to turn against Christ after the millennium kingdom. Jesus is going to destroy Satan and those people one last time at Gog and Magog and then the wicked will be judged. After this is when Jesus destroys the heavens and earth and makes everything new again. The dead in Christ raises first because the resurrection happens first I guess and those dead people in Christ meets their souls in clouds and then those who are alive are changed in a moment I guess before we're raptured up to meet everyone else. But to be honest I don't know why God chose to do it in that order. Maybe they need a head start LOL! The Bible doesn't tell us why it's in that order just that it's going to happen in that order.

[@howdyfellas920]

You know its a serious topic when the background is red

[@slft47]

100😹

[@KM-zn3lx]

I read Catholic bible and still have one. It clearly refutes many catechism teachings!

[@Kitiwake]

The catechism isn't based entirely in scripture as authority and tradition also have input.

[@sarahfaith316]

Pat Aherne that's the exact problem with it. 😬

[@ChronicNewb]

Camille Hendricks ok but who do you think wrote the Bible? Humans. Who makes extra-Biblical doctrines? Humans. To be fair, I don't believe in purgatory. But to say something can't be trusted because it's not in the Bible is self-defeating and hamstrings the work of God in the living church

[@mitchmonteith6468]

@@ChronicNewb EVERY WORD of bible was INSPIRED. It came from GOD, NOT Humans.

[@GeorgePenton-np9rh]

@@camillehendricks9819 Catholics have no man-made doctrines. All our doctrines were taught by Christ to the apostles and handed down in the Church. Some doctrines got written down in the Bible, some not, but a cording to 2 Thessalonians 2:15 we must believe both. You might also consider that if the Catholic Church had not put the Bible together in the first place, at the Council of Rome in 382 a.d., there would be no Christian Bible today. It is only by the teaching authority of the Catholic Church that we know that the Bible IS the Bible.

[@user-iw5ff9um9f]

Mike, I heard that Mark 9, 48 would support the concept of purgatory. What do you think?

[@re3182]

what about the verse in the new testament saying he that knew not his lord's will shall be beaten with few stripes and he that knew his Lord's will and did it not shall be beaten with many stripes? that verse bugs me.

[@barbararamirez1954]

Dear Mike, I could not have explained it better...u r awesome to learn from as everything u teach is Bible-based!

[@somewhatinformed1208]

all false religious beliefs are some how bible based.Yes after you read the bible you will never find a church mostly bible based. The Savior violated the 10 commandments till be was killed for helping the Jews who then loved him, Some rejected him because he was not Jewish.

[@donaldcooley897]

@@somewhatinformed1208 That is one stupid comment .

[@somewhatinformed1208]

@@donaldcooley897 I'm guessing my statement was stupid because it confirmed something you didn't know about the Bible and don't want to know.

[@donaldcooley897]

@@somewhatinformed1208 What is it that I don`t know about the scriptures ? You don`t have to have a lot of biblical wisdom to know Christ did not violate the Ten Commandments . Most fundamental bible Churches are based on scriptures . I didn`t spend years studying scriptures and set and listen to some of the best Professors . Theologians . Evangelist and Pastors in the country come a way not knowing any thing about scriptures , I spent years on Radio and preached and taught in Churches as an Evangelist . I don`t know every thing in the scriptures but the indwelling spirit teaches me through studying . so tell me what I don`t know about the scriptures , that I should know .

[@somewhatinformed1208]

@@donaldcooley897 better if you learn the scriptures yourself instead of being spoon fed. He must learn to think for yourself and be aware that the internet has all the answers she seek concerning the Bible you simply have to ask. I was simply pointing out the parts of the Bible you deny are actually in the Bible.

[@seanrathmakedisciples1508]

The only way into Jesus kingdom is by calling on Jesus directly like the thief next to Jesus. We just call out for mercy admitting that we are sinners needing a savior. It is by grace that we are saved or rescue from the kingdom of darkness and brought into Jesus kingdom.It is nothing of ourselves but it’s the gift of God Ephesians 2:8,9. Once Jesus snatches us from darkness Colossians 1:13 then our Christian lives begin. We are now in Christ or it is no longer we who live but Christ Jesus now lives in us. We are no longer in the Adams family but in Christ Jesus.St Peter tells us that we are to be living stones of the spiritual temple 1 Peter 2:4.Call on Jesus now and make the big step into Jesus kingdom

[@seanrathmakedisciples1508]

Jesus is the way ,the truth and the life no one comes to the Father except through Jesus Christ our Lord and savior.There is only one mediator between God and mankind the man Christ. Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for the sins of the world 1 Timothy 2:5

[@rubo5411]

Amen

[@colton7373]

Thank you brother

[@Hypnotoad206]

The thief didn’t exist in the New Testament. We have theology he didn’t have

[@007ephraim]

Calling with a repented heart

[@chriscruz4281]

Can I ask you what kind of electronic shaver do you use?

[@cayadreamer3469]

🤣

[@jangozerg]

Loved "Beware of those who answer tough theological questions with poetry" 😆 lol 40:29

[@wid0maker]

I've been watching some of your videos and I really like what you do and how you break things down. When the Catholic apologist say you can't separate the person from the works in order to try to redeem his viewpoint on purgatory....this is further proven by the word to be false. The scripture says even if the persons work is burned up they are still saved.....well according to the Catholic guy if the persons work is burned up so are they.....which is DIRECTLY and plainly refuted in same passage he is using. How can he not see that. Personally now I understand what Jesus meant when he said 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. I guess that's what happens when you make the word of God not your foundation for what's right but instead follow tradition and the Pope who literally can make up anything he wants and people have to believe it

[@1234poppycat]

When you get your information from ignorant Catholic haters you will not understand the Bible or Catholicism 1 There is no contradiction between the Bible and Catholic teaching. 2 The Pope can only make "infallibility" statements under very restricted cases and can not "make anything up he wants and people have to believe it" 3 Nothing in Catholicism can be refuted by the Bible as they do not contradict at all but complement each other. 4 You are basically saying a protestant who has been saved then leads a wicked murderous life is still saved and God can do nothing about that . No you are wrong…. Catholics believe God is all powerful !!!

[@1234poppycat]

@Craig Laycox Only the ignorant would come up with "Catholic deception"

[@1234poppycat]

@Craig Laycox so 700 years ago we had three people claiming to be the Pope. 400 years ago protestants were killing each other as well as Catholics who opposed them.

[@9erGuy]

@Craig Laycox You don't know the definition of "infallible".

[@1234poppycat]

WID0WMAKER So where in scripture does it say “even if the work is burned up you are still saved” ... ???

[@Imjustsayin99]

I think Mike touches on a great point answering the very first question. The concept of sleeping in death appears about one hundred eleven times in Scripture, and every instance refers to a restful state of physical restoration or a peaceful state associated with death.
 Where do we get the idea for the traditional tombstones that reads, ‘rest in peace’? When we die, the body returns to the ground and sleeps while the spirit returns to God. There is a separation between the mortal body and soul at death, or when we sleep. 
 Ecclesiastes 12:7 7 then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

We are only called to awaken at the day of judgement. Therefore, when we die, the body is sleeping and not tormenting in a place that purges sins. We are sleeping peacefully. What will thousands of years feel like when we are called to awaken from the sleep of death? 1 Kings 2:10 Then David slept with his fathers and was buried in the city of David. Daniel 12:2 Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt. 
1 Thessalonians 5:9-10 9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him. 2 Peter 3:3-9
3 Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” 5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6 through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. 7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. 8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. Sleep seems to defy time and space even when dreaming, but also in the absence of dreams. In modern times, the time lapse associated with sleep can be compared to a medical operation under anesthesia; a person awakens with, “How long was I under? It felt like just a second ago.”
 Hebrews 9:27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, 
 Matthew 10:28 28 Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. 
Romans 8:10 If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

[@hotwax9376]

I grew up in a denomination that teaches soul sleep and denies that people go straight to heaven or hell at death. That doesn't bother me too much, but they generally believe that soul sleep is referring to a literal sleep. To support this, they often pointed to John 11: 11-14, where Jesus declares that Lazarus had fallen asleep, but He was going to awaken Him. What those who hold to literal soul sleep often ignore when citing this verse is that Jesus had to correct His disciples when they assumed He was speaking of literal sleep. That very clearly implies that Jesus was speaking metaphorically.

[@somewhatinformed1208]

@@hotwax9376 yea no one goes anywhere after they die in my bible or reality as we know it. No evidence anything dead can do or think anything.

[@hotwax9376]

@@somewhatinformed1208 The denomination I grew up in didn't say that people never go anywhere after they die; they just taught there's an intermediate state in "the grave" before heaven or hell, and then go to one of those places after the final judgment. Moreover, the Bible makes it abundantly clear that there is an afterlife and that the dead all go to heaven or hell, whether immediately or eventually. As Jesus said, "He is not the God of the dead, but the living. You are badly mistaken." (Mark 12: 27)

[@somewhatinformed1208]

@@hotwax9376 I can see how you would think the grave is a temporary thing if you expect to be dug up in a few thousand years.

[@hotwax9376]

@@somewhatinformed1208 Again, that is not necessarily my view, just the view of the denomination I was raised in.

[@arleenonlife3628]

Hi Mike. I enjoy and learn from your videos. Very “Berean” (Checking the Scripture). Would you please do a study on Eternal Life vs Eternal Punishment Or Punishment then Death (What some call Annihilation). The Bible seems to say both forms of damnation as I study it. But ultimate death does not seem to resonate with mainstream and traditional Christian beliefs. Please give insight into this. Thank you.

[@aznation4592]

Eternal Punishment just means the result will be eternal no second chances. No one is getting punished for eternity non biblical

[@sshumkaer]

Mike serious question and thought concerning this. Can I please email you? It's not dirty or anything like that.

[@isaiahfiftythree5334]

You have double voice?

[@MikeWinger]

Only for the first few seconds. Sorry about that

[@isaiahfiftythree5334]

Thank you

[@lmorter7867]

That was rude Mike talking over and mocking polite Mike 😉

[@MikeWinger]

Hahaha

[@Betcaligarcia]

Mike Winger Howdy some question regarding Purgatory, did early church prayed for their departed in the faith. Yes or no? We already know he doesn't think the Bible teaches about Purgatory. Did the first Christ-followers, in keeping with their Judean ancestors, pray for the dead? If so, then why? Second, concerning the canon of the OT, ask Mr. if the Septuagint was the Bible of the early church. Yes or no? Did the Septuagint contain 1-2 Maccabees and the other deuterocanonical books? Yes or no? I asked my friend some questions and he asked me to ask you these ? I’m on your end I don’t believe there is evidence of purgatory in the Bible but my friend is very convincing .

[@chadvader9512]

Luke 12: 41-48 - May be Jesus's most important teachings regarding the next life. Don't forget the ending - 47-48. Now why would Jesus teach of more than two levels of judgement? Not just heaven and not just hell - but somewhere else - I wonder where that might be?

[@bridgefin]

Purgatory is not a "level of judgment". If you are on your way to Heaven but not perfect you will need to be purified. Otherwise, according to Revelation, you can't get in.

[@retronostalgiafan8635]

I use to be a Catholic but I became a evangelist non denominational Christian because I believe in the Word and the Holy Sprit of God from father son and Holy Spirit. I feel as Catholicism it self is very lukewarm but some Catholic Church have more evangelism than the usual Catholic Church. But not that often

[@walterlippmann8787]

Your description of what 'the works' being tested by fire is actually a good description of what Purgatory is.

[@alexwr]

Mike makes it very clear that the Catholic Church teaches that it is the person being purged in purgatory, whereas the verse refers to testing works. The works that make it through the fires of testing come out unscathed, but those unsatisfactory are completely destroyed. This verse is self-evidently not about the Catholic view of purgatory.

[@matthewtanous7905]

Even accepting the 2 Maccabees passage as true, the sin offering for the dead does not imply Purgatory. It only implies that God, knowing whether such an offering took place, accounts for that in the Judgment at the end of days, which is actually when the Bible declares that the wicked will be sent to the fires. “And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.” - Revelation 20:13

[@ScottPalmer-mp1we]

The problem with using that passage as proof of Purgatory or being able to pray for the dead is that said passage is history. It's just saying that this is what the guy did. It's like people trying to get doctrine from what believers did in the Book of Acts. The Book of Acts is primarily history.

[@kathrynwatson4524]

I'm a former Catholic...Pastor Mike you are spot on!

[@CaryChilton]

too bad

[@albusai]

@@CaryChilton I’m a former Catholic also , ones I started to read the Bible it opened my eyes

[@Nahhdu57]

@cary chilton, me too ex- catholic here!

[@bridgefin]

Poor Mike doesn't know what he is talking about. I assume all of you think you are sure enough to waltz into Heaven in the next hour. If you think you are, then your pride will be enough to keep you out of Heaven. And if you don't then you will simply miss Heaven by your impurity.

[@christsavesreadromans1096]

The Bible alludes to purgatory. 1 Corinthians 3:15, “saved but only as through fire.” If fire is only for the unsaved then why would any saved people be going through fire?

[@keltonbaker5494]

What's your opinion on baptism? Is it just a sign of sanctification? Or for forgiveness of sins??

[@daisyhall1286]

Where did the soldiers who carried the idol amulets go after they died?

[@sandina2cents779]

According to the Catholic Church, people who die in idolatry go straight to hell, so a sacrifice wouldn’t have helped them anyway. But the passage doesn’t say.

[@bobdobbs943]

@@sandina2cents779 Oh no, i dont want to die in idolatry. let me get down in front of my crying Mary statue and beg her to save me from idolatry.

[@mattyost7298]

if we truly believe in jesus christ the messiah, purgatory is a farce he was the ultimate atonement

[@yesman4jesus940]

in order for a sin to be mortal three factors must be present: grave matter, full knowledge and full consent of the will. In any given case an outsider cannot know definitively if full consent or full knowledge is present in the sinner. Also, we cannot know if, in the last moments of life, the person heartily repented.

[@watchgoose]

To God all sin is the same, and the wages of sin is death. He made no differentiation between mortal and venial. But He gave us His only Son to pay for all sin for all mankind for all time; He loves us that much. And since He is omniscient, HE knows if we repented. Btw, "repent" means to do a 180 and turn from the path you were on.

[@georgepenton808]

@@watchgoose God doesn't distinguish between mortal and venial sin? See 1 John 5:16.

[@donatzerodayslife]

All and any sin leads to spiritual death without Christ. Nowhere in scripture is there mortal vs venial.

[@alexlurainer3969]

@@donatzerodayslife 1 John 5:16-17 says other wise

[@gragall78]

I'm in the middle of a debate on another channel at the moment, I gave lots of scriptures to challenge them, in one instant I wrote when Jesus was on the cross he said to the thief today you'll be with me in Paradise not today you'll be getting cleansed and purified so you can be with me in Paradise. But the answer I got was God is outside time and we don't know if Jesus really meant today🙄 you just can't argue with Catholics because they just believe in the authority of the church rather than the word of God in the Bible

[@ryantannar5301]

Consider this a vote for the ESV, pretty much all the translations (save the NWT and such) are great but the ESV is in my opinion hands down the best for general use. It is the best blend of word for word and thought for thought available right now. Too much word for word is hard to understand, too much thought for thought loses some meaning. The ESV is really the best blending. The NASB is what I would consider the ideal for really deep study but gets a little dense and the ISV, NIV, or NLT (not really decided on this) would be ideal for those who need an easier to read translation.

[@suedavis4502]

just remember wide path leads to death, narrow and hard path leads to heaven. If you prefers easy translation, you are risking your salvation.

[@shaolinshowdown1123]

@@suedavis4502 true. Dispensationalism KJB 🙌🙏❤👍

[@JohnDawson]

@@shaolinshowdown1123 I'm with R.C. Sproul on Dispensationalism -- it's goofy. I'll add that it's also dangerous.

[@joannabruns529]

Totally agree

[@christsavesreadromans1096]

The Bible alludes to purgatory. 1 Corinthians 3:15, “saved but only as through fire.” If fire is only for the unsaved then why would any saved people be going through fire?

[@GatorGirlMemeQueen]

Thank you, brother Mike!

[@jurbar373]

Hi....so this is your interpretation of this pasages in the Bible... It is not what the Bible says, it is what you think it says... I would like to ask your interpretation of the Parable of the Faitfull Steward (Luke 12:42-48).... Could it be that there is something that easily could be interpreted as some third state that is not Hell or Heaven ... pardon my English

[@mitchmonteith6468]

Seems like some are confusing Christ judgement of the Christians, to purgatory. It's not about salvation, just about getting rewards for any good works we have had.

[@kevinmc62]

Purgatory is not about salvation. It’s not a second chance.

[@somewhatinformed1208]

@@kevinmc62 it is like Global warming....it is about making a few rich by destroying world economies . Purgatory just a money making plan to sell to the people who can believe.

[@godswordsaves7673]

the story of lazarus and dives makes it clear , how you die is how you stay. if you die righteous you remain righteous and what you have done AS A RIGHTEOUS PERSON WILL BE TRIED to see what reward you get. if you die unrighteous that's it sadly.

[@thomasbailey921]

Wait but what about the other Lazarus? The one who was brought back to life after 3 days? Either he went to heaven or hell and then was taken out of those places (which would contradict your point) OR for 3 whole days he was sent to neither heaven NOR hell, which raises a lot of questions about what exactly happens when we die.

[@godswordsaves7673]

@@thomasbailey921 I don't know what exactly happens and it's not as important as living righteously. the Catholic version of purgatory however is not substantiated by scripture.

[@thomasbailey921]

@@godswordsaves7673 well, when you rip out Maccabees

[@biaferrarezi5585]

@@thomasbailey921 You are "sleeping" when you die, until Jesus comes back.

[@thomasbailey921]

@@biaferrarezi5585 so youre saying that you believe when you die you're in Limbo, then

[@Strutingeagle]

Does Mike Winger understand the bible as well as Tovia Singer?

[@peterchan2204]

How come still no reply for my questions?

[@chriscruz4281]

My friend, beside 1 Corinthians 3:4-15, Catholics also use Malachi chapter 3:2-3 & Zechariah 13:8-9. I sure wish you would have woven those scriptures into your teaching it would have helped me understand better. Would you mind taking a look at them and perhaps doing another video. I appreciate it. God bless.

[@jeffreybomba]

What application does Malachi 3:2-3 possibly have for purgatory? This is talking about John the baptist paving the way, and Jesus coming into His temple. He purifies is providing the perfect sacrifice of righteousness for us.

[@jeffreybomba]

The Zechariah passages talks about 2/3 dying and 1/3 remaining ALIVE, and being brought through the fire. How have loving people died, and hanging out in purgatory?

[@yardenvyofvirginia8780]

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