Where it all went wrong: THAT Andy Stanley sermon. (Full Analysis)

[@bluestar8700]

What I learned from Andy Stanley: Read your Bible to avoid people like Andy Stanley

[@kimba1430]

😂

[@Screwed_Up_World]

What I learned from Andy Stanley: Listen to his father Charles and not him

[@katherinecornette5315]

Amen!

[@Anabee3]

🤣😅🤣

[@RayBekk]

Haha right

[@ryanbrasher8185]

He treats the Bible as if it's a burden when it's a blessing. We're fortunate to have God's word revealed to us.

[@abaker4692]

I can tell you that's he's speaking to many. I work with some who strongly believe that they don't need to read Scripture, that their relationship with Jesus is just fine without it. I can see how people would fall for it.

[@CrownOfThornss]

Amen!

[@scott7695]

@ryanbrasher8185 that is well said!

[@samt7785]

The Bible would be a burden even stumbling if you didn't know how to read it.

[@danc226]

@@ryanbrasher8185 , Amen!!!

[@Headroomtalking]

The Achilles heel as a Christian is to not know the scriptures

[@Vanessa-ok3ys]

YES. 💯

[@dylankandoll3756]

There are way too many illiterate Christians and that's why false preachers such as Andy Stanley gain so much standing. If Christians were literate this would've never gained as much standing amongst the church and would be called out boldly

[@black_horse_lover2655]

Exactly!

[@michaelnapper4565]

Truer words have never been spoken...except for Christ. Lol

[@christalee3643]

YES!! EXACTLY!!

[@biancaCGT777]

"If they don't believe Moses and the Prophets , neither will they believe if a man raises from the dead"

[@markcheshire4413]

What a great reply!

[@KaoXoni]

Luke 16:31. Directly from Jesus' preaching, however technically not a red letter quote.

[@pizzapineapple1867]

@@biancaCGT777 Impressive succinct response. So encouraged seeing this from a younger believer!

[@BHFWaterloo]

Amen !!!

[@BHFWaterloo]

@@KaoXoniJesus said it was the words of Abraham to the rich man in the place of torment.

[@Onlyonepersonsview]

We attended his church for a few years and when Covid hit , all of his churches closed down. Honestly it was just the excuse that I needed, not to go back. You are 100% right about his teaching. I knew something was off but it made so much sense when he said anything. I’ve been a Christian since the 1970s and should have known better, it was a wake up call for me to get back to basics and get back into the Word. ALL of the word, I’ve come to love the Old Testament so much. It’s impossible to fully understand the New Testament without knowing the Old.

[@rhondahart2416]

The New is the old revealed for sure. I find it invaluable in talking to Jehovah Witnesses. John 5:39,40 Jesus talking to the pharisees: You search the scriptures and in them you think you have life but they are what speak of Me and yet you are unwilling to come to Me so you may have life. The scriptures He was talking about were the Tanakh. They are also invaluable for understanding the middle east conflict that is going on right now. I also listened to Andy when I was a baby Christian and he sounded so plausible but the Lord is faithful and led me out of that nonsense.

[@mariebassill4919]

@@Onlyonepersonsview Amen!

[@mariebassill4919]

💯

[@wiscobuckeye]

You do know the Word is Jesus, right? Not the Bible… please read John 1

[@BuySellColoradoSprings]

@@wiscobuckeye the Holy Bible is the word; The Word is Jesus. You can’t dismiss one.

[@CuriousThinker1776]

The Bible was what brought me out of Mormonism and into Christianity. ❤️

[@DeafBlindPianist]

Same here

[@Narnian77]

Praise God for that!!! When I try to get through the false veil that blinds LDS people, the foremost thought in my mind is, they need to read the Bible ALONE, and not filtered through the BofM.

[@loganholdaway769]

Me too!

[@billbuyers8683]

I got into ancient history, discovered the Old Testament for research, found the Bible stories historically plausible, and eventually came to believe the Bible is true and that Jesus is the Son of God.

[@davidbermudez7704]

PRAISE THE LORD GLORY TO GOD Despite the numerous quotations from the KJV in BoM

[@barrykey643]

If my pastor referred to the Bible as a “cleverly cobbled together group of manuscripts” I and my family would be looking for a new church.

[@peachfountain]

Same here!

[@silvereight6054]

It is a collection of books written over a long period of time. Job was written hundreds of years before Psalms, for example.

[@According_To_Matt]

​@@silvereight6054that's true, but the connotation of that description is that it's an arbitrary collection, rather that God's word. You know where you learn God's character? The Bible. You know where you learn what sin is and how bad our sin is? The Bible. You know where you learn who Jesus, the real Jesus, is? The Bible. You know where you learn the good news that Jesus died so we can be forgiven of sin and live forever? The Bible. You know where you learn how we should live as believers? The Bible.

[@jules47127]

The channel @TruthisChrist explores all sorts of patterns found in the bible (specifically the KJV). Once you've seen them, it's really difficult to deny that God put it all together.

[@warnerchandler9826]

​@@jules47127An example or two of these "patterns" would be appreciated.

[@stevej71393]

Andy is perhaps the best example of a wolf in sheep's clothing. He looks so gentle and amicable while his message is deadly to a Christian's faith.

[@martyjohnson8920]

@@stevej71393 He had a very Godly father. That speaks volumes to many of us.

[@cindytauer592]

He needs prayer for his true salvation and believing God’s word

[@jackiepowell7513]

Satan often wears a warm cardigan sweater and wears glasses. Ha

[@c6h5choh-cn82]

To me he kinda looks like that creepy guy Ted Bundy 😁

[@1218wbentrup]

​@@martyjohnson8920What does it speak to you exactly? Could it be a message about who is my mother and brother (and in this case father) he who does the will of my father in heaven(obviously). It is absolutely not the will of God that we abandon the knowledge and wisdom and prophecy and inerrancy of the Old Testament. Period.

[@loveyallyangu]

To answer Andy at 1:32:50, I was 18 when my college roommate started asking me some difficult questions about Christianity and the bible. In a truly curious spirit she was asking about political ideas, my view on things as a Christian, verses other atheists online didn't like that sounded strange to her. She was severely hurt by hyper-charismatic Christians in her past and as a teenager looked up to popular athiest speakers like Richard Dawkins, my family and I were the first Christians in her life who encouraged questions and tackled them with her. We didn't push against her questions, we didn't circumvent them and ABSOLUTELY didn't dismiss the bible as unimportant or anti-Christian. My parents instilled in me respect and reverence for scripture, not a distain for it, and it lasted me well through a very un-believing campus. If I didn't know the answer to a question, or didn't know a lot about the verse she was pulling up, my instinct and response was "I don't know.... lets go look at it together", and we would pull up the NIV and read the entire chapter to put it into perspective and context. It worked out EVERY time and strengthened my confidence in the bible with each instance. Isn't that what we want as Christians who take the Bible as authority? We want our sons and daughters to be more confident in their faith? Andy keeps talking about worldview, our worldview is more vibrant and informed the more we know our scriptures. Beware those who try to convince you not to learn scripture. My friend gave her life to Jesus before she graduated college and has been Christian ever since. She's one of my roommates now and does a lot of her own research. Andy shouldn't be shying away from the tough conversations. It sounds to me like this was just too much conflict to him, and he's not cut out for the arguments, so he's going to ignore all of it to avoid confrontation. Terrible thing to say to those who are searching for answers. Stronger-willed people of other religions and worldviews generally do NOT respect lukewarm "Christians" who attack their own holy scripture. Pray for this man and all his congregants.

[@leandronc]

Great testimony. That was my personal experience when (coming from a Christian home) I finally decided to honestly wrestle with those verses I found confusing, weird, embarrassing, and bad. Every time the answers from Scripture pleasantly surprised me and strengthened my faith.

[@theynot4u]

I love your comment. It brings me joy to know there are young Christians still growing and sharing their faith.

[@cherylfanning6971]

Awesome! Thanks for sharing.

[@andymatts8010]

@@loveyallyangu thanks for sharing you truly we're a light in your friends dark place and what a joy to see a friend come to real lifelong faith through the scriptures .hope Andy Stanley gets to realise this before he goes further into compromise as I see he seems to be going.

[@G1stGBless]

Great testimony. I always wonder about so many ppl claiming to have been "severely hurt" in church/ In many cases it is ppl's natural mind reacting in horror to the truth of their own fallen state perfectly described in God's Word. I've met countless ppl claiming to be "hurt" in church, and by far, less than a quarter of them, maybe in the single digit % really had anything truly offensive happened to them. Vast majority heard something they didn't like assumed something, or had a normal human interaction and chose to use that as an excuse to go back to a life that is actually hurtful. Conversely, nearly every single lost person I know has ACTUALLY been severely hurt by, sin, in bars, chasing their own way, having promiscuous lifestyles, etc on and on, and somehow they don't use that as an excuse to quit. I'm glad your friend was open to the Word, and you were there to learn with her and guide her. Praise God for open willing hearts.

[@kandacerichardson7972]

It's disturbing how many people are still there listening to Andy and not walking out !

[@ashqelon7267]

mcarther-stanley father / son BOTH, Washer, Comfort, Sproul, Spurgeon, Tozzer, Peters, This guy, etc. witchcraft spells has poisoned the entire USA SUN day church realm. You're seeing WHY Christ said FEW will make it into his Kingdom

[@rongutierrez4454]

On the road to Emmaus, Jesus chose to take them through the Scriptures instead of revealing himself risen.

[@toomanyhobbies2011]

Well said! Thank you.

[@judereggievelez7467]

Very good point!

[@lamgardn3800]

That kept coming to mind for me as well throughout this video.

[@samknobeloch503]

HUGE.

[@openskyphotography]

Excellent point.

[@calebhayes7691]

[In before the copyright strike]

[@fourteen00]

@@calebhayes7691 Yup, started to download it just in case.

[@stevenogle2661]

Truth, 😂

[@gohawks3571]

Thank God, me too!

[@kssss1919]

Same!

[@dontgetmarried]

😂😂

[@Kitkat7826]

Andy was my youth pastor growing up. I know him personally. I have left his church 20+ years ago. But had an interaction in 2017 to address his stance on homosexuality. This was before it was so public. In a conversation with one of the pastors there, the pastor was a guy that I went to school with and went to youth group with me, so I know him well. He refused to believe what scripture said about homosexuality but also in that meeting, I discovered that Andy doesn’t believe in hell. So that’s why he continues to diminish the Bible so he can preach Andy’s word.

[@estherdaflucas6511]

Once you get rid of hell, just like Rob Bell, then you become “alphabet people” affirming.

[@jimmyjames7941]

Oh so Jesus was wrong and Andy was right?!😅😅

[@JillCee]

We definitely need to lift Andy up in prayer.

[@meeks4004]

Judgement and hell is literally part of the foundation of our faith. Without God's judgment we dont need Jesus

[@pollywog92]

Thank you for your insight. It’s interesting to hear from one who has interacted with Andy.

[@AKMArt-vj2vi]

Well..... half the time I couldn't even process his words because I became uncomfortable....with his.....anger or frustration and it got progressively worse towards the end. To say that the Bible is cobbled together with a few manuscripts......I do deep dives into scripture and I can tell you 100% it's so beautiful and wonderfully written old and new testaments. Thank you for sharing these truths and helping us Christians grow deeper in our faith.

[@Clarabelleist]

@@AKMArt-vj2vi psalm 119

[@karricompton]

Just off the top of my head I can take issue with Andy from a few verses: “Sanctify them by the truth-your word is truth”, “All scripture is given by the inspiration of God and is profitable for teaching, reproof, for correction for training in righteousness”, “Faith comes by hearing and hearing from the Word of God.”

[@BeckiDawn]

Thank you for calling out false teachings. ❤

[@G1stGBless]

Every thing about this Andy guy reminds me of Pete Buttigieg. Bet im right

[@captainuseless2120]

This message and others like it are exactly why my family stopped attending Stanley’s church. Definitely a good call.

[@pollywog92]

I’ve been wondering if the people at Northpoint are supporting him, or if there are some who are in disagreement with his teachings.

[@captainuseless2120]

@@pollywog92 Yeah. A lot of people at churches like that aren’t super strong in their faith, but many of us do care about sound teaching.

[@zacdredge3859]

He definitely shouldn't be giving you and your family massages if you didn't ask for that.

[@captainuseless2120]

@@zacdredge3859 Oof. That’s what I get for typing a comment on my phone lol.

[@amandamyers3307]

I went to Andy’s churches for 25 years! Started attending only months after the original campus opened. My family left in October 2023 after his atrocious October 1st manifesto. Many of my friends have also left. The whole summer series from 2023 was horrific. It’s so sad to me. This church was a big part of my life for so long but Andy’s teaching is so bad I just cannot.

[@Star-dj1kw]

I appreciate how Mike’s videos calling out false teachers is done with a grieved heart. Mike doesn’t gleefully shoot down a preacher gone wrong the way so many of the discernment KZbinrs do. Also, Mike expresses compassion for the people who are hurt and deceived by false doctrine. Sadly, that kind of compassionate is rare ☹️

[@Br4dSp34d]

he also shows a lot of grace in trying to understand things in the best way possible (some would argue he goes too far with this at times) but his desire to speak the truth in love is always clear in his videos

[@hpetterson2265]

Precisely! We should pray for Andy and especially the blind he is leading. Pray that their eyes are opened to the Real Truth of God!

[@kathleenjohnson5464]

I came to the Lord 6 years ago at a very bad time in my life, I was 66 years old. I started with s couple of soft books, but decided I’ll start with the OT and finish with the New Testament. I called a long time Christian friend and told her how much I was struggling with the OT. She told me that she thought I should start with the gospels and she was 100% right. I couldn’t get enough of it for years and years. When I first started listening to Bible teaching it was Chuck Smith. I was able to go from Genesis through Revelation. Then I started watching Calvary Church Bible studies. .

[@brandyjanik66]

I grew up listening to his dad. His Dads voice is so comforting to me. How sad that his son has fallen so far from the Truth.

[@317237hope]

I feel like his dad would be full of sorrow if he could see his son preaching like this. It makes me so sad

[@karenlanglois4616]

When Charles Stanley was close to death, Andy tried to use him in an interview video to support Andy's teaching. It seemed clear that his father was a little confused, but rather than give Andy's support for his satanic teaching, Charles simply said "i think we can all be grateful that Andy is Andy." He preached a number of messages to refute Andy. Unfortunately not everyone in our family will know Christ. The road is narrow and difficult. Personally, I think Andy is in the closet. I've never met a person who positions homosexuality as morally superior who was not gay. I also think he is more interested in money from parishioners that teaching the word of God. I know we should all pray for him, but I sense so much arrogance and false pride in him and his voice that I think he has placed himself beyond salvation. It would take a lot to humble him enough to admit and correct his false doctrine.

[@Mercurychyld1]

Agreed; was saying that very thing to my son as we were listening. Charles Stanley was a true preacher.

[@Lovethesouth09]

Yes, I’m glad there’s no sorrow in heaven, because his dad would surely be grieved.

[@greggpurviance7252]

& Charles had his own issues

[@seandogg41]

@@karenlanglois4616I’ve been saying that Andy is closeted for a while now as well. 100% agree, wonder when he will publicly deconstruct and come out?

[@JB-kl4pn]

Any time I have had a concern or doubt about the Bible, I moved toward it, not away from it. When I investigated the concern or doubt, each question I had was adequately resolved. So much so that I gained confidence that I no longer needed to fear any doubts or concerns, instead I needed to read more on the subject so I could understand it better. Each time I did, my faith was strengthened and my understanding of the Bible was stronger.

[@queenofprops]

Excellent approach! This acknowledged that the Bible is the standard and we are to be changed by it, instead of standing in judgment over it. If there is something difficult in the Bible, either I don't understand the context or meaning, or I need to be transformed more by the Holy Spirit.

[@pearlupthejunction]

Absolutely. I became a Christian at 65 years old and get up early because I need to read my Bible. I’m reading it in a year and will do it again next year. So many revelations and knowledge of God’s character.

[@eclipsesonic]

That's the experience that I had with the doubts and concerns I had, growing up in the faith.

[@hpetterson2265]

Absolutely! God is always faithful to open our eyes when we are truly seeking Him in His Word.

[@RechurchedTV_10]

You concluded the video with my story. This exact sermon was the beginning of the end for us at a NorthPoint affiliated church. The end was the announcement of the trans affirming conference. This drove me to a Grace Church where God is holy and His Word is held high and highly cherished. Praise the Lord!

[@transformyourlifeandglow]

Yes. I don’t go there but once I saw that conference was happening, I def got the sense the preaching was becoming no longer biblical.

[@chelseabarker2250]

As soon as you no longer uphold the Bible as truth - anything very obviously goes!

[@amandamyers3307]

My last service there was 10/1/23. That was the nail in the coffin.

[@RechurchedTV_10]

@ was that the LGBTQIAP conference?

[@wiscobuckeye]

Just want to clarify for you: The conference was NOT trans affirming. The conference was neutral -and its goal was to help CHRISTIAN parents who have an LGBTQ child and don't know where to turn or where to get resources. What a fantastic way to love our brothers and sisters in Christ who are Christian parents searching for how to move forward and how to treat their child. To that end, the organizers did invite some speakers who themselves are affirming and other speakers who themselves are non-affirming...but the conference itself was neutral. Some people can get mad that they allowed some affirming speakers to talk to these Christian parents, but what are we afraid of? Just because a speaker was affirming does that automatically mean these Christian parents will accept everything they say as gospel? Do these Christian parents not have the Holy Spirit to help them take what is helpful and leave the rest behind? To act like a Christian can NEVER learn anything from an affirming speaker is ridiculous.

[@jmsparaco9994]

You are so kind, addressing the error without attacking Andy as a person (who desperately needs truth, so scary as teachers have a stricter judgement). I came out of the Roman Catholic Church. Thankful someone took the time to show me scripture and lead me to the salvation, at 19, I so needed. I'm 56 now and the Word of God is Light, the Plumbline of my life. If someone tried to take that away, I'm ruined. The scripture and Christ's fulfillment of it has power, sustaining power. I have an unshakable Rock. But again, thank you, Mike, for being so Christlike in presenting the truth in love. God bless you and yours.

[@rhondahart2416]

Praise the Lord for your salvation!

[@JMichaelW18]

Mike Winger, I agree with you 100% on this subject, I just wanted to add if one comes to faith with out scripture aka The Bible as your ultimate authority how can one justify on not being Mormon or any other faith contrary to scripture. It’s like a soldier going to combat without his gun or armor. If there is no Bible then any faith can be true and there no discernment of truth.

[@MyloBgood]

Brother Mike I applaud your heart in confronting people in the church that claim the name of Christ. I never hear you coming at these teachers in anything other than love, and I know that is The Spirit guiding you. I praise God for your ministry, and I know you give Him the glory. Continue to go where The Spirit leads! God bless you sir!

[@cherylfanning6971]

Yes! Agree 100%.

[@DaveBaldwin1]

This is odd to say the least. Andy says we don't need to believe in Scripture but only the resurrection. Being someone who has never witnessed the resurrection I believe because of Scripture. None of what he said makes sense to me. Atheists have also attacked the apostles account of the resurrection... Where does Andy stand on that? He won't stand very long if pushed hard enough. Great video Mike, thanks for posting.

[@walkinginthelight528]

My thoughts exactly! 😢

[@judereggievelez7467]

I pray God opens his eyes and grant him repentance. If not, he will eventually deny the faith like Bart Ehrman.

[@gracewalton5479]

This was my thought as well. He's not claiming that Peter's foundation is the resurrection necessarily, but rather that Peter's foundation is that he witnessed the resurrection. I can never say that I witnessed the resurrection, so Andy has effectively removed my only way of assurance by removing any reliance on Scripture. I actually can't even know what Peter would have said, because I have to dump my Bible in the trash, and Peter himself is long gone. What a hopeless foundation Andy has proposed.

[@jamesbarksdale978]

Exactly.

[@pkmcnett5649]

Agree. His is an odd argument.

[@neodaltiair8624]

9 mins in and it’s honestly baffling a pastor would say something so stupid about early Christianity

[@jimmyjames7941]

Sad!!

[@KiKi-tf8rv]

I think they do it because they know the majority of people who have no historical knowledge will just accept it and repeat it.

[@neodaltiair8624]

@@KiKi-tf8rv it’s just so obviously false, I image that “am I a joke to you” meme with the Greek Septuagint lol.

[@KiKi-tf8rv]

@@neodaltiair8624 🤣🤣

[@andykendle5343]

I followed Andy Stanley for a long time. As a business man and an Elder at my church, a lot of what he said really resonated with me. This is about when he lost me and then the more recent comments on the alphabet stuff. You have to understand the OT in order to understand why these men reacted the way they did to a risen Christ. It wasn't just what they had seen but that what they had seen confirmed what they had known from the Hebrew scriptures. Genesis is my favorite book in the Bible. To understand so much of Christ's ministry, you need to understand the prologue. It is so disappointing to hear Christian leaders try to stand over the fault line (thank you Voddie Bauchem) and be loved by the world while being a Christian influencer at the same time. Thank you for the encouragement to stand firm on the Word of God. God Bless...Andy

[@garethnaude1175]

This comment right here! Without the OT Jesus resurrection is just a weird thing that happened. Lazarus was raised from the dead. No one said these kind of things about him.

[@SheilaSmith-z8g]

Andy is an example of how a preacher can take a left turn, and members won't notice. The lesson? Pay attention to every sermon, every presentation, every word, each and every time, by anyone we follow.

[@sarahc1955]

While listening to Andy Stanley, I was reminded of Luke ch. 16, the rich man and the beggar. The beggar died and went to Abraham's bosom, and the rich man died and went to Hades. The rich man begged Abraham to let Lazarus warn his brothers about the torment of hell, so they could repent and be spared. Abraham refused, saying "If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead." How fitting this quote is for this sermon! Andy Stanley argues that the resurrection should be the basis for faith, but this passage tells us that even resurrection from the dead cannot change the heart of one who is set against God.

[@marvinmallette6795]

Judges 11:26-40, Jephthah sacrifices his daughter in the wake of Abraham offering Isaac. Why is this important? Paul's celibacy doctrine in 1 Corinthians 7:33-34 and 1 Timothy 5:11. Is Christ for marriage, or for celibacy? Matthew 16:25 and Matthew 9:10 (Lord's Prayer) advocate submission, but submission to what? Jesus calls Peter "Satan" in Matthew 16:23-25 right after establishing that Peter is the church in Matthew 16:18. John 10:10 says that the thief comes to steal, but Revelation 16:15 and Thessalonians 5:2 say that Jesus will come as a thief. 1 Thessalonians 5:4 says that some are not in darkness, is that darkness forbidding of marriage, alcohol, and pork, as per 1 Timothy 4:3? I ask you to consider the implication of 1 Timothy 4:3 in reference to Christianity as Mark 7:5-16 says of the Pharisees, that they follow the teachings of Men, and view John 10:10 in the light of a warning that Christianity, the Bible, is the thief that is coming to steal and destroy.

[@737smartin]

@sarahc1955 It IS a fitting teaching. Thank you, and God bless us all with His wisdom, love and peace... including Andy Stanley.

[@HarmonicWave]

​​​​@@marvinmallette6795 Jephthah didn't sacrifice his daughter like an animal, he offered her to be in service of God instead of marrying her off to a man. Paul did not teach that people should be celibate, he was saying that being single allows for more focus on ministry and serving God; he also mentioned people who forbid marriage and called that a doctrine of demons. He said if you don't have the ability to stay single (focused on ministry) it's better to marry. Jesus didn't say that Peter is the church, he said he would build his church on the foundation of the truth that "Jesus is the Christ," as Peter stated. Then later he called Peter "satan" because in that moment Peter was trying to work against the will of God for the Messiah. The term "satan" means "adversary." Jesus calls Satan "the thief" who steals, kills and destroys. He then contrasts that by saying that he (Jesus) comes that they might have Life, and have it more abundantly. He describes himself as being "like a thief" only in the context that when he returns it will be sudden and unexpected, like a thief breaking into a house; wicked people will be unprepared. It's a metaphor. There are answers to your confusion and lack of study, but you can twist almost anything and take it out of context to say something it doesn't.

[@marvinmallette6795]

@@HarmonicWave I don't see where any of that changes what I said. You do not make your argument clear, or convincing. Common teaching is that Judges 11:26-40 is descriptive, not prescriptive. That is, the chapter is not about what one should do, but merely what happened. My argument is that Paul's teachings, presumably in light of Judges 11:26-40, and Genesis 38, etc., are transformative works which are prescriptive. I also emphasis that it is not clear that Paul is "not" teaching celibacy, to the degree that it does, in fact, appear that Paul is in fact teaching celibacy, if you "chew your food", and allow the writing to properly digest. Hebrews 12:1 purports a race that shall be run, a marathon of endurance. This challenges the reader to strive for perfection. But what does that perfection look like, when you are studying the Bible, and then when will you complete your studies? Genesis 1:28 would seem another verse at odds, but the Dispensationalist who argues from a New Testament Only position might find that it is transformed into the great commission, Matthew 28:19. If you extract Hebrews 11:12, and apply that verse "out of context" to the Christ as an example of a reflection of Christ in scripture, you might get a clearer concept of how the puzzle is being assembled.

[@lisae1032]

AMEN!!

[@timkretzer]

I understand there was no type of published Bible in the early days like we have now, but if the point Andy is trying to make is true then why was the Apostle Paul commending the Bereans for searching the old testament scriptures to make sure his ( Paul's ) new testament teachings were true?

[@rhondahart2416]

Amen! Every letter references the Tanakh. Jesus said in John 5:39,40 to the pharisees, You search the scripture and in them you think you have life but they are what speak of Me and yet you are unwilling to come to Me so you may have life. The scriptures He was speaking of was the Tanakh, the Brit Hadishah had not been written yet.

[@josiahpimperl3569]

Exactly what I was thinking!

[@johnburke7287]

@@timkretzer they had the old Testament, scriptures of noah, Abraham, possibly Enoch as well

[@LawlessNate]

Anyone who tells people that they don't need God's word isn't saved.

[@codycarpenter1512]

100% unsaved

[@gohawks3571]

@@LawlessNate If you are saved, you would certainly feel God telling you "STOP! What you're saying is wrong, don't speak!" The fact he did a full sermon, and who knows how many sermons like this...☠️

[@toggleway]

Specially when Jesus said He is the Word. 😊

[@jonathanw1106]

What in your view do you need to believe to be saved?

[@mesafamily5830]

@@jonathanw1106believe Jesus is our Lord and Savior. Then to know and follow Him. The only way to know this is to believe the Old and New Testaments

[@mariebassill4919]

@MikeWinger You're composure is commendable.

[@alaynacamp6559]

I want to thank you for your straightforward and gracious approach to this critique of Andy Stanley’s sermon. It’s helpful to see what it looks like to call out areas where the wording was misleading and not aligned to the scriptures. You asked thoughtful questions and I was blessed to see you say what it is plainly and with love. Thank you for this example.

[@christalee3643]

The Bible is actually the one thing that brought me closer to God! When I started to read the Bible for myself and not just listen to others,that is when God & Jesus became even more crystal clear to me! ♥️♥️♥️

[@YankeeStacking]

Andy Stanley is EMBARRASSED by the Bible. Period.

[@georgina979]

Agreed! p.s. Team not rigged 😂

[@YankeeStacking]

@ 😂🤣 We meet in the wild! 👌🏼

[@ScarletWhite88]

Not sure, but I think he’s interpreting it improperly.

[@JillCee]

After being saved for over 30 years, I have found from conversations that the great majority of people are more struggling with spiritual abuse they have experienced or they are battling why God allowed catastrophic trauma to happen in one’s life. Not once has someone told me the Bible is what kept them from the faith. Unfortunately, many churches don’t know how to respond to those with spiritual abuse or severe life trauma. Many times, their actions make things worse. Sometimes people just need to feel loved and safe before they can start talking about the basics of following Christ. I know that was life changing for me. Gave me a chance to find my feet so I could delve into truths I hadn’t not delved into before. Also, most churches don’t offer any form of discipleship. That is a huge thing for those of us who weren’t raised in a Christian family and don’t have anyone in our lives that we can talk to.

[@matthewmcguigan4293]

I wonder if Andy has dealt with his own childhood suffering. He might be jealous of the Bible or feel like his earthly father loved the Bible more than he loved Andy (for hypothetical example).

[@wkmacs4738]

You've made good points. I agree. 👍🏽

[@nonyabidness5708]

My experience of walking away was because of both the spiritual abuse and the horrible things I read in the Bible but tbf people who are abusing people spiritually also DMF know how to explain those passages.

[@JillCee]

@@matthewmcguigan4293 Made some good points. No telling what he is battling from his childhood. We do need to pray for him to find his way back to the loving Father.

[@gsmiro]

Indeed, a real healthy church is not that only gathers once a week to hear some songs and a speech. A real church is a community of believers who pursuit the Lord together. They live together and share their lives together. They worship together, study the Bible together and minister together. That’s how discipleship works, by living with the master.

[@vickidemarco2076]

I was taught this in the Catholic Church when I was a young adult that we believe in the resurrection of Christ not because the scriptures teach us so but because of traditions of "The Mother" church. It wasn't until later I realized the church is not "The Mother" but "The Body of Christ" and because scripture is recorded (written & typed) it is NOT EASILY changed or corrupted but the traditions of the church change very easily & often. An example of Mary called the Queen of Heaven, the dispenser of grace, holding the arm of Jesus' judgements, lived without sin & was assumed into heaven. We must carefully protect the word of God... the scriptures.

[@schramfamily]

Growing up as a young leader in my church, I was a voracious reader of Andy Stanley’s works. He brought clarity and inspiration. I would not be the man I am today without him. Sadly, I’ll waiting for the day when all of these messages will be brought to fullness. On that day, we will learn about his moral failings and compromise. One of his messages a long time ago was about what it means to be a Christian. I think he needs to go back and listen to himself.

[@PoetiqueMs]

I'm just an average grandmother, but I know that the disciples had access to scripture, and Jesus and the New Testament writers quoted scripture all the time. It's like he is blaming scripture for people's doubts.

[@MirandaSinistra]

That's what frustrates me so much about what Andy is saying. The NT doesn't make sense without the OT. There's context laid out in the OT that revealed in the NT. The OT is the result of the promise God made to Adam and Eve when he exiled them from the garden of Eden. The NT is the fulfillment of that promise. Andy either doesn't understand this or he does and is trying to undermine the NT by separating it from the OT.

[@wkmacs4738]

Exactly! Instead of addressing the doubts. 👍🏽

[@bbgun061]

Yeah, it's weird to "unhitch the faith from the old testament" by quoting it so much.

[@gtf5392]

Yes, the complete Old Testament was available at the time of Christ and circulated within the Jewish community. So, what Andy is saying is not true. I believe that Andy, in his attempt to remove obstacles that make the church resistible to the world, actually views the Bible itself as one of those obstacles. I also believe an underlying reason Andy has this view is that he, personally, has issues with certain sections of scripture. I won’t say specifically what those sections are but he has in the past called sections of the Bible ‘clobber passages’ when it’s simply God’s truth.

[@mikepotter1291]

At the time of Christ and His disciples the scriptures were in the synagogue and the temple where they were kept and read. They were quoting them from memory, not packing around their own Bibles. 1500 years before the printing press it wouldn't have made much of a difference since more than 90% of the people couldn't read or write and probably why Jesus said to listen to the pharisees just not do what they did.

[@TroyBlack]

Thank you for doing this response. This is serious and needs to be addressed.

[@KABITH0888]

My teen saved daughter recently brought up the account of Elisha cursing the children and I told her I had heard some teaching on it but would need to read / listen to it again before we have a discussion. Then I said to her, the Bible is God’s word so even when we read something we are unsure about, we trust that God allowed it to be included for a reason. It’s a terrible thing when leaders deliberately twist the word to suit themselves and lead people astray.

[@jojotater11]

That is such a good response!!

[@John-fk2ky]

A part of that is what I would argue was a translation error. The Hebrew word can mean child as we use it, yes, but the word is much broader, closer to how something like “youth” might be used in English. From there, you might notice that the (as we later see rather large) group is not only mocking a prophet of God (not the smartest thing) but basically telling him to drop dead (“go on up” like Elijah did). It could be argued that that constitutes a threat. That there is even a group this large in the culture of the time suggests nothing good about their character since they’re clearly not where they’re supposed to be (they should have been helping their fathers with work or learning something useful, not hanging out outside the city. The concept of freetime for non-adults we have today is a very modern one). Then there’s the absurdity of the reported number of casualties. That it even got to the double digits suggests that the boys decided to not run for their lives back to the city but instead decided to pick a fight with them, which clearly didn’t go well. Most people focus on the boys being on the wrong end of a bear attack rather than ask the question of what they were doing there in the first place or why they thought insulting a prophet was a good idea.

[@brittybee6615]

Agreeing with the comment above, these were not children. There’s a video about it on the channel Disciple Dojo that goes into a lot of details to prove that from how the same word is used elsewhere. Also, this story happened in Bethel which was the hub of idolatry. Like the comment above was saying, they should have known better than to mock a prophet but were in open rebellion.

[@KABITH0888]

@@John-fk2ky thanks for the explanation. It does sound like some of what I remember hearing previously. This helps a lot. God bless you

[@KABITH0888]

@@brittybee6615 thanks much

[@denisHolySpirit]

Without the word of God we don't have a foundation.

[@wordasword]

"Suffering is common for all. However, persecution can be avoided. All you have to do is compromise." - Voddie Baucham

[@AaronJay30]

I attended Andy's church for 23 years, he slowly turned into this watered down, World following, woke apologist. He dropped creation in favor of the ever shrinking belief of Species evolution. It was sad to watch as he used to be a great pastor. Many of the congregation called this 15yrs ago, he absolutely became what he was warned of for starting to water down messages in hopes of making unbelievers the most important members of the church. He will preach a more traditional sermon once or twice a year when money is needed for certain projects. Pray for him.

[@pkmcnett5649]

Who was he hanging out with? Corrupting wrong friends and colleagues.

[@truthBtold2]

I used to be a fan/follower of Andy. But that was 20 years ago. What changed and when? This KZbin video answers those questions. Two very notable diversions Andy took 1) Affirming LGBTQ (see sermon 'When Truthie meets Gracie') 2) Discarding the Old Testament (see sermon 'Unhitched'). It just gets worse and worse. Pray that Andy retires very soon or repents and turns back to God. Also, pray that people's eyes are opened to the reality that Andy has become an apostate and they need to RUN away from his church.

[@KiKi-tf8rv]

I see so many pastors in my area beginning this same descent. It’s devastating.💔

[@m.willow11]

Pray this video is protected from YT removal. 🙏

[@matthewmcguigan4293]

My phone was having trouble loading it... 2 minutes in... And I was thinking "uh oh, this one is gone." I'm glad it's still here because I want this teaching.

[@emmaaudu3461]

haha we should download and keep it too :D wise as serpent

[@m.willow11]

@@emmaaudu3461 amen! Great idea!

[@OnTheMountHomestead]

​@emmaaudu3461 i was wondering. I'm watching on my phone through the app. If I click "download" (i never did it before), does that save it directly to my phone storage somewhere, or here in the app somewhere?

[@Legoluigi26]

Without the word of God, you have no anchor for the faith. Simple as.

[@Tyler-Hoskins]

What IS the word of God??

[@Legoluigi26]

@@Tyler-Hoskins The Bible.

[@Tyler-Hoskins]

@@Legoluigi26 you realize the logical trap that you’ve just set for yourself, right? How can the Bible be the word of God? Who decided it to be so?

[@Legoluigi26]

@@Tyler-Hoskins I recognized your comment was some kind of internet debate trap. It's just a very stupid one that'll collapse on itself even if I take the bait.

[@AngelaWilliams-u1w]

​@@Tyler-Hoskins Genesis 1

[@terryhollifield9343]

This truly does appear to me to be an issue of Andy's own doubt (and potential eventual falling away). He describes it as helping others, but it seems to me to be from the fountain of his own heart. We should definitely pray for him.

[@craighelgerson2698]

I'm sorry for so many comments, but I needed to swerve briefly into the slavery subject. I am currently unable to work, so I spend my days on X witnessing to atheists. Being saved for 46 years, I always ignored the slavery subject, though it didn't settle well. After someone confronted me about this subject last year, I felt it was time to study it for myself. It is a really heavy life because the system's guidelines are scattered throughout many places. I found it to my delight, that it was antithetical to what you and I learned about our country's corrupt system. As I got everything swept into one place, I found it profoundly brilliant and extremely benevolent (should we expect less from our Lord?). I would also encourage you to study this subject so you don't have to deflect like I lazily did for 46 years. I feel ashamed that I questioned His goodness and omniscience. It was one of the most enjoyable and encouraging studies I ever done... go for it!

[@moomin8251]

I can't understand how anyone can be born again and not love the Word of God. Isaiah 40:8 "... The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God endures forever.” Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

[@JoeyJeremiah4315]

Exactly. Psalm 119 is all about His wonderful word.

[@germansnowman]

Stanley’s selective use of scripture is a good demonstration of why we need expository verse-by-verse preaching. No skipping of verses.

[@jakedixon585]

Am I missing something? I feel like the biggest concern with Andy’s argument is that I know about Jesus’ resurrection is through the BIBLE! He stresses that we should be a Christian by what we “saw” and “heard”, but I wasn’t a disciple of Jesus when he roamed the earth. At the end, he talks as if he was Peter and stresses that he believes in Jesus only because of his resurrection, but then asks how our children will defend their faith and how they should do it just like Peter would. We can’t Andy! We didn’t witness Jesus death and resurrection. We have God’s inspired word that details the story of Jesus throughout it and tells us of his miraculous death and resurrection because of his love!

[@jamesbarksdale978]

Yep.

[@jamiespinks3657]

Agreed, I'd like to hear Andy try & explain how we would even know about Jesus' death, resurrection & our need to accept him as Lord & Saviour without the Bible!

[@pkmcnett5649]

@jamiespinks3657 he is confused, trying to bend enough to allow the LGBTQ+ to feel better. Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets. Where does Andy think those came from and what they are? Is everyone supposed to FEEL it?

[@Joyka-q1e]

Good point

[@0814kendra]

This was my thought as well. I was surprised that this wasn't one of the pushbacks in the video. For those of us who weren't there for the Resurrection, all we have is the Bible

[@shaud81]

In our small group we did a bible study from Andy and I must have a strong sense of discernment after listening to him for five minutes, I went out to read about him and watch videos and can say that Andy Stanley is another wolf in sheep's clothing. We need to pray for him to gain wisdom and the biggest victims, the church goers of those campuses.

[@matthewguthrie7675]

The more you try to change the Bible to your whims the more you are falling into the devils plans to separate you from Christ and that is what is dangerous

[@cwilson0713]

Is it just me or does listening to Andy Stanley feel like glass breaking! He has such animosity towards the bible. His boldness is shocking.

[@Christen77]

Not just you. 😬

[@bluestar8700]

I couldn’t listen to him. His voice is nails on a chalk board. Top that with his blasphemy towards scripture

[@pkmcnett5649]

​@bluestar8700 has the same effect on me. I cannot listen to him.

[@donnac2122]

Really great Mike how you broke it all down. When I was a new believer many years ago Andy was a Pastor I listened to regularly. In a Bible teaching church I started to know Andy was leading me incorrectly. Thank you to the Holy Spirit ! Guidance and conviction to question Andy’s teachings and walk away.

[@001matol]

Faith comes by hearing, hearing by the word of God. Boom 💥

[@cherylfanning6971]

Double Boom!!

[@chuckcribbs3398]

Triple boom!!! The Word does not return void!

[@Narrow-Pather]

2 Timothy 2:15 *"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."* Every "group" needs to read the Scriptures so as not to be deceived.

[@janetstotler399]

I am so thankful that we can now ignore people like him!

[@317237hope]

This is a perfect example of why having your Bible with you in church and reading along with the teaching is so important. Anyone in the congregation who did so would have noticed those skipped verses immediately. I hope someone in his immediate congregation calls him out on this.

[@MrsLowndes]

Mike, you are a breath of fresh air in today's apostate churches.

[@kidindacardboardmask]

Thank you for making this Mike!!! I love Charles Stanley’s sermons, and about 6 years ago I started watching Andy Stanley’s sermons. After a short time I started noticing that something about Andy Stanley’s sermons didn’t seem quite right, but I couldn’t put my finger on why at the time so I stopped watching him about 6 years ago. I appreciate you giving words and explanations for what I felt but couldn’t articulate. Thank you Mike!!!

[@JoelMorgan-Bullock]

Oh this is quite sad, I've enjoyed many of Andy Stanley's sermons before, I didn't realise he was teaching stuff like this as well

[@ThoughtfulRebels]

I don’t know you or your channel, and I’m only 17 minutes into your video, but I want to say that I appreciate the kind and generous, thoughtful way in which you’re expressing your disagreements with Andy’s views (I also don’t have a clue who Andy is either). But, what I do know is that it’s a very classy and mature approach at a time when clawing and tearing down is the only example in media; when mocking and derision is the example of the day from pastors and ministers and people alike within many churches. Thank you for approaching things the way you do. The world is literally-LITERALLY-starving for kindness and love in our approaches to those with whom we differ. ❤ *THANK YOU!*

[@Agooo13431]

Matthew 5:17-19 [17]"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. [18]For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. [19]Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Any questions? Andy?

[@narniacello]

Acts 17:2 ► As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, I wish Andy Stanley was there to see the apostles reason FROM SCRIPTURE. He would probably have rebuked Paul as being insensitive to the gnostics.

[@jimmyjames7941]

Yeah maybe Andy never saw it? No!! He knows it and totally disregards it! Evil!! Help him Lord!

[@narniacello]

@@jimmyjames7941 amen

[@warnerchandler9826]

His bible--which he wishes we would all put away--in his Bible, it doesn't say "from the scriptures." (It's a joke; he probably uses a new, perverted version.)

[@katherinecornette5315]

Go Mike!!! I’m so tired of these wicked people leading their congregations astray!!!

[@GiovanniRuedaMarketing]

I go to Buckhead church, I’m very grateful for it, because I have been in a man’s group for over a decade and they become my brothers, and I love every single one of this man, in the same time my pastor is the sheep for Luke 15 and I pray for Jesus to find him because we feel he’s loose, and for this reason my brother over 10 members leave Buckhead church, I’m the only one still a member in buckhead church with gratitude 🙏 and compassion for Andy Stanley

[@cherylmiller4397]

The Bible is Holy. People total against it were challenged to read it and because they did, it brought them into a relationship with Christ. It absolutely is pertinent to/in a relationship with our Lord.

[@eslacey]

Being a part of NP for over a decade, I'm so thankful my husband and I left when we got married. Andy gets people in and keeps them baby Christians, or like many friends of ours, they have completely deconstructed, and some are in the New age now or are extremely progressive Christians. It truly breaks my heart. Thank you, Mike, for addressing this.

[@Onlyonepersonsview]

We attended South Side campus. You are right! That’s the biggest reason why a lot of people leave. My family and friends spoke of it all the time. It was like being in Christian Kindergarten! :)

[@mariebassill4919]

So sorry 😢 Too sad!

[@niki_mart]

Learned something new about the “days shall be 120 years” passage today! Thanks, Pastor Mike 😁

[@samburton2978]

Nice video Mike. You are kind, honest, and balanced. I've been preaching since 1976. He is one of the most gifted men I've ever heard. I live in Metro Atlanta and I fully know of his influence. He has slipped a long way. And as you point out he manipulates Scripture in a smooth powerful way that sounds great. When I was in Seminary, the last 2 years, I was a youth pastor about 50 miles from my school. His dad is one of the pastors o listened to in the car on the drive to and from classes. He was so...sound. And I was here in GA when he died. A major grief was felt. But Andy has slipped further and further from orthodoxy as his influence grows. Thanks for taking a stand in a Godly manner.

[@lufknuht5960]

ONe of the most gifted by satan men?

[@AustinWDuncan]

Thank you for calling out the issues with Andy Stanley’s approach. His idea of sidelining scripture is outright dangerous - it’s like stripping faith of its core. The apostles relied on scripture for a reason, and downplaying that misses the mark entirely. We need to be ready to defend faith, not dilute it.

[@hopeful135]

Hi Mike, I want to add a few comments because I think also that Andy Stanley is off base in some areas but he is misunderstood in what he is trying to do. If I am allowed to paraphrase him it may be helpful. I think he is trying to get people to exercise faith on the fact of the resurrection which validates His sonship, deity, and the hope for our own future beyond this life. This is a much more stable object to rest our faith. Rather than exercise faith on the inerrancy of the Bible he is redirecting out attention to what was used as the center of the gospel presentation. Inerrancy makes the bible an object of worship and when it is found to be less than perfect believers may lose their faith or be drastically weakened. Our fundamental tradition won't allow the Bible to have errors. Inerrancy is the litmus test in a lot of cases for authentic Christianity. Christian leaders and pastors hold on to this tradition because they have signed papers for their present employment even though they might not hold to this doctrine anymore. Martin Luther believed there were different levels of inspiration in the books of the New Testament and he believed that Esther should not have been in the old testament Canon. I think that Andy is rebelling against the status quo because it is not the truth. In this I think he should get a little bit of credit. I am not a member of Andy's church and probably would not be comfortable there. On another point, Andy said that the early Christians did not have the bible and that is a truthful statement. You disagreed with him. You obviously did not do your homework. If you can't keep up, then I would refrain from saying anything. Even by the fifth century most Christians did not have access to the books of the New Testament.

[@donaldshogren7496]

Thank you for this, Mike! We are called to expose false teachers. We are called to judge those inside the church. God will judge those outside. What drives his false teaching? Money and power? It is sad.

[@abidingewe2065]

Satan and man’s total depravity.

[@cwengl]

I believe he's fully moving towards "side B" theology as a way of pleasing and accepting the LBGT+ people into his church. In order to do that, you have to ignore huge sections of the OT and also deny the inerrancy of Scripture.

[@donaldshogren7496]

@@cwengl I would agree. I am going to look into some of Andy's recent offerings and see how things are going for him. He must have broke his father's heart, Charles, before he died in 2023.

[@mcfarvo]

Stanley has unhitched his teaching from the Truth

[@Deepthoughts4ever]

He is so confident in his false explanations.

[@jeremyhinken3365]

[2 Peter 2:1] But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. [1 Corinthians 11:19] For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

[@Jsoncv]

What’s sad is the Bible warns us about Pastors like Andy…

[@bbgun061]

It's clear that if a pastor is preaching a story from the Bible but skipping verses, that he's trying manipulate the story.

[@thomassandoval8025]

Worse , I had a pastor change the words of a verse to be more inclusive.

[@Ktraveladventure]

@@bbgun061 100% agree!!

[@IloveJesus-77788]

@@thomassandoval8025unfortunately there is a chance that he is using a perverted translation

[@pkmcnett5649]

@IloveJesus-77788 a pastor should be educated enough to know if the Bible he is using is perverted or not. If it us, and he is still using it, snake on him (or her)

[@joshs2138]

I attended Athens Church, a North Point satellite. I very much feel Andy Stanley is a trickster. He is a motivational speaker and talks in circles. I see now why he seemed to talk in circles and dance around points of significance. I also see now why an ex girlfriend who was gay affirming introduced me to Athens Church. Pray for all still attending.

[@heatherk167]

It brings to mind the saying, ‘how do you boil a frog? Slowly so they don’t notice the temperature change!’

[@whitneylivingston5706]

I had no idea who Andy was until three years ago when I started going to a discipleship group that wanted to go through one of his sermon series for the next study that we did. It was the most shallow study I think we ever went through. I much prefer studies where we go through scripture verse by verse. When I was new to the group I had little influence in our studies. As time has progressed, I started recommending studies/sermon series that went through books of the Bible. Now, we aren’t watching studies, we are using the scripture as our curriculum. We are working our way through Daniel. Everyday, we read the chapter we are on for that week, we all have different resources we like to use, commentaries, I like listening to Verse By Verse sermons, and then as we come together each week, we go through that chapter together and discuss what scripture is saying. Something I’ve come to understand about the Bible is that “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Words are the physical manifestation of the intangible into the world (meaning your thoughts are not able to be know in the world until you give words to them and speak them into the world). Jesus is the physical manifestation of God in the world, he is the Word. All things were made through Him, and when you look at how God created the world, he spoke it all into being (God said let there be light and there was light). Today, we have The Word of God in the form of the Bible… words written by prophets and apostles. The Holy Spirit speaks fluent Scripture. When I’m in a situation and I’m about to pop off in my human nature and I find myself suddenly thinking of a scripture that makes me stop and reconsider my next words, that is the Holy Spirit. Also, there are times when I’m in a conversation with someone and out of nowhere I’m thinking about how a scripture applies to that situation. I might not be able to say what book and verse, and I might not even say “the Bible says”, but I’ll speak the Truth that came to mind and without fail God speaks to them through that every single time. You can’t know someone unless you converse with them. You can sure know ABOUT them, but there is a difference in knowing about someone and knowing them personally. What Andy is teaching is knowing About Jesus, and I hate to break it to him but even the demons and Satan believe in the resurrection. We must know Him personally, and we know him through scripture because that is how he revealed himself to us.

[@craighelgerson2698]

Greetings, Mike. Last night, I got a livestream that had your face on it, so I went to it because I think you are about the most thoughtful Christian teachers in the country today (praise God). I was absolutely deceived once this started, for a youth pastor came on and attempted to refute your video on PSA. He was snarky and arrogant, using philosophy without much Scripture to support his Catholic and Orthodox heresy. His thinking was replete with what I call IOSTRs, which are when we can say or imply that after going to a prooftext, "It Only Stands To Reason," we have been subtly moved from the thoughts of God to the thoughts of men, which are vulnerable to deception. This is philosophy, which creates contention but does not carry the authority and power of Scripture. But it really feels good, for it strokes our egos (I battle this daily). I was soundly born again 46 years ago and grew up in a home where my mother was decipled by M.R. HeHanns' daughter for much of my youth. I have wonderful memories of John Wolvord and many other theologians discussing theology and eschatology at our dining room table. I got soundly saved at 19 and had an appetite for studying and understanding the only book that calls (3800 times) "the Word of God". This young man sowed the most confusion I have ever heard. One thing I would encourage you to use that sound mind to study, for yourself the "Church Father" writings that we were deceived into quoting and are now studying. With so many people around me going into Rome, I felt I needed to study these writings over the past six years. The more I dig, the more I get angry at myself for quoting well-curated quotes from these spurious, unreliable writings. When one investigates these writings, one finds some orthodox ideas, often with different definitions, along with a mountain of Rome's heresies embedded within (that we naive evangelicals just ignore). When we selectively quote something to those we teach today, the next generation will remember their names and read and believe the things we ignored, and thus will be reasoned into Rome. We need to first avoid this swamp, which brings confusion and inadvertently validates Rome. Then, it would be wise to study the subject and warn the church of the many heretical things taught by these writings. After you accumulate all the heresy they taught and warn us of, you will have to say, "If these people are occasionally quoting the Word of God but have so many errors, why don't I ignore them and return to Scripture, history books up to the end of the first century, and lexicons? The rest is just too murky and pseudodepigraphic. I sincerely believe the Mormons have fewer problems than these writings, and we would wisely never quote their writings for we would say they validate Mormonism... The same should apply to spurios "church history. Stay in the fight, little brother, and I praise God for your impact on the Bride.

[@jackjumper4231]

The most heart, breaking hard about Andy Stanley, to be a famous and successful pastor is when you realize it is God’s punishment on us. Because we have raised up for ourselves teachers to tell us what we want to hear, gods curses upon us, for he has given us what we have asked for.

[@Screwed_Up_World]

Dr. Charles Stanley must be rolling in his grave, God rest his soul. Dr. Stanley was adament about how important the Word of God was and how we needed to stay in it. How did his son end up like this having such a great teacher as his father?

[@tomasinanorman2128]

His dad’s heart must have been broke.

[@sandraoconnor5700]

My heart breaks for his congregants and anyone who sits under this clearly confused and lost soul of a pastor. May God have mercy and open his heart and mind to the truth of the blessed Bible❤❤

[@mpp2498]

I left an Evangelical church (not Christ) because the senior pastor was casting doubt on the accuracy of the Bible. This brings back how disturbing it was to hear false ideas sandwiched between truths. Knowing the Bible helped me see through the flawed teaching.

[@jillclark4876]

Stanley’s congregation needs to give this man the boot. The Lord is looking for followers who are radical for Him, passionate about the faith, and crazy in love with Him. Stanley has a responsibility as a pastor to a flock, and if he cannot stand firm on the Truth of the Word of God, he needs to step down. Pastors should be edifying their congregation, not making excuses or justifications.

[@barbaravarley59]

There is a north point church in my little town. When I was struggling with a new pastor in my church I decided to go and check out this church. First I walk in a new person never been there, I was greeted by no one. There is a coffee shop in the building. In my mind that is strike one. Strike 2 was during the sermon. He never even cracked open the Bible. Strike 3 was when he preached tolerance. I believe we should be tolerant to a point but I also believe we should call out evil. This pastor was a go along to get along. My impression. Chain church. Nothing is wrong with a chain church, it's just not for me. Thank you and God bless.

[@bernlitzner2739]

Wondering why a coffee shop is a strike for you?

[@iggy9226]

⁠@@bernlitzner2739Probably referencing when Jesus said they turned His Fathers house into a den of robbers.

[@Kiki-fe2le]

There is everything wrong with a chain church. Christianity makes us stand out and invites persecution which would not allow for it to become a franchise. Franchises are about making money like a business.

[@barbaravarley59]

@@Kiki-fe2le I completely agree with you. It is sad because I feel like people are being tricked by these chain churches.

[@joshs2138]

@@bernlitzner2739 you have to pay for the coffee.

[@peterkinyoko6045]

I feel sad for the people who continually attend his services consistently..

[@joshbimthedoctor]

Inagine knowing the Bible so poorly that you think the Apostles "left the OT behind" let alone believe that the Bible isn't Truth.

[@jimmyjames7941]

I'm not sure he knows it poorly but just doesn't care!

[@Tyler-Hoskins]

First of all, the didn’t believe the Bible was anything because the Bible didn’t exist. Secondly, many early Christian practices directly contradicted or conflicted with the ancient laws and practices in the Old Testament. So yeah, while they definitely didn’t leave the whole thing behind, they definitely left a big part of its teachings and principles behind.

[@meganclay5090]

@@Tyler-Hoskinsdo you understand that the apostles were first hand witnesses? And the New Testament are the words and letters and understanding of those people. We do not have first hand account of the gospel of Christ, so the Bible (the written word and testimony) is the next best thing we have. The old and new testament’s are not different they are the same. The new is the old fulfilled. Do you remember Jesus’ two greatest commandments? They are WORD for WORD but concise summarizations of Deuteronomy 6 and Leviticus 19.

[@Tyler-Hoskins]

@@meganclay5090 I don’t see how that has anything to do with what I said.

[@LetTalesBeTold]

@@Tyler-Hoskinswhen you say “the Bible didn’t exist” in contrast to those of us who say the Bible did (in part) exist in that time, what do you think we are claiming? Of course the New Testament wasn’t present. No one is claiming that. But we are claiming that the passages of Scripture that we now call the Old Testament were present and well quoted within the New Testament. If you have reasoning as to why this is incorrect, I’ll gladly hear you out.

[@LuisArzat3]

I live in Georgia, i went to one of his satellite churches which makes church very weird to say the least. I mean watching a projected image of him speaking makes it worthless to go to church in my opinion. I could've stayed at home and watch it on TV. Anyways, i digress. About 90% of the congregation didn't have their bible and im inclined to believe that it's due to this kind of teaching of his. Another thing i found strange was the sermon he gave that day was about convincing the congregation that God is real. I was thinking to myself "but of course he's real, why do you feel the need to convince a Christian church that He is real?" But then it hit me, he's talking to the people who are taken to church by their families and peers. So to finish my point, I have a very strong feeling that his ALL of his teachings are directed towards the atheists and agnostics. He tries his best to cater to them the word of God which is fine and good but forgets about the Christians who already have faith but need to be educated and edified through a true teacher of the Word. ALL of it is His Word not just bits and pieces or just the new testament but ALL of it!

[@mcsegeek1]

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Tim 3:16-17. Andy Stanley on the other hand is NOT given by inspiration of God, but is inspired by none other than the wicked one. A true wolf, in sheep's clothing.

[@morischeer1653]

That was the 1st scripture that came to my mind 🙏

[@terraloft]

He wouldnt know any of the details of the stories he relates if it were not for the documented scriptures that we use for Christ's life, his disciples journeys from being called to becoming men of Faith, Jesus himself is the word from the beginning was God was with God. The creator of all things in the world seen and unseen. He is the logos. The scriptures inspired May challenge but without always transform as they are living and active and giving us the nature of Christ, the mind of Christ. I pray for this prodigal son of Charles Stanley

[@arthur.prince]

Do we have to quickly download it so it's not struck down like that Joel Osteen debacle?? Asking for many friends.

[@fourteen00]

Sad but true. It's exactly what I'm doing.

[@cwengl]

Downloading now.

[@theodorepollock1273]

Already have, let a screen capture run while the video plays. Don't use the websites that will turn it into a download for you, both the paid and free embed backdoor in the file.

[@fourteen00]

@@theodorepollock1273 jDownloader can also download for free and its supported on Linux/Mac/Windows.

[@arthur.prince]

@@theodorepollock1273 what's the backdoor for? To hack my system?

[@Tuplus2is4]

Andy Stanley strikes me as someone who “tries” not to offend anyone by backtracking and trying to cover up what he just stepped in - but then continues on with dirty feet.

[@jimmyjames7941]

Yes he and Osteen probably talk!😅

[@mynonameyt]

Yes, he’s so busy not offending those who don’t really love Gods word, that he’s offending the author. So many people these days will say something like, “I don’t know about their motives….. but.” Well I’m not too afraid of being labeled “judgmental”. Andy Stanley cares far more about the amount of people in his church than the amount of believers in his church. And I think he’s grown tired of just teaching the gospel, following Christ, holiness…. that he actually is looking for some controversy.

[@kchurch2213]

he sure offended you and that's a good thing

[@jamee6]

1:39:35 Andy Stanley paraphrasing Peter: "My reason for believing isn't something that I've read or heard or had read to me. I believe what I believe because of what I saw. " Then how are the rest of us today supposed to believe? We didn't see the resurrection We must have the whole of scripture to teach us who God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are, to even understand why the resurrection matters!

[@TrayDyer38]

The way he talks is very similar to the way Joel olsteen speaks. Also it sounds like he's more interested in keeping them in their seats as members, rather than teach them the complete unfiltered biblical truth and nothing but the truth.