TurnerForge - How to make an efficient propane burner

Im back! Its been a while but im back. due to popular demand I am doing another video on how to make a propane torch. This torch is made to be efficient and low cost to make!
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[@crusader777]

dam you quit fuckin cusing , great video

[@christopherj5780]

First build to mention yellow teflon

[@aaronwood3540]

I just built two of these for my forge. I did use at first a .035 MIG tip, without a regulator and it made crazy heat. went thru propane like a fish through water but, red hot everything in just a couple minutes. chimney effect I did get after it had been running for a while. since, I have reduced to a .025 MIG tip and I now have a regulator. 20 pound max but hey it's better than not one at all. works so much better and does not go through the propane like it did. I like the idea of using a MIG tip due to the fact I can interchange them from big to small if the need arises. I would like to find a regulator that would go up a little higher than 20 pounds. maybe 30 or so. nice job. great video.

[@Aaron48219]

OMG! Someone with a DIY torch vid that actually mentions using yellow tape instead of white Teflon! I'd give 5 thumbs up for that alone if I could! White Teflon is not for NG or LPG! Call me anal retentive, but better safe than sorry.

[@stamasd8500]

One quick tip about making the propane nozzle hole. It's easier to drill it from the other side (the inside of the hex cap) because there already is a conical indentation right in the middle of it. I used a 1mm drill bit, easy to find on ebay and other sites.

[@TurnerForge]

stamasd yup. I found that also. Thank. You for sharing.

[@hosscat1829]

Hey Turner, you need some close up shots. I like your video but we can't see!

[@weedeater64]

Nope, he's not selling them on his webpage. BTW, that webpage is a steaming pile of shit that I'm sure he thinks looks very good.

[@scotthummel4248]

Ok! Anyone who drinks sammy a and cooks marshmallows with a forge burner has my attention! Good going dude! New sub!

[@TurnerForge]

Lol thanks man!

[@jeromemaire7936]

Great vid Man !!! the best i've seen ..... see that you're not à biginner ....!!! weel done Peace

[@TurnerForge]

Thank you very much!

[@teddyomes]

I'm getting ready to build my first forge, so I've been researching several designs. And I like this design the best. I've got some welding and cutting skills and I'm going to use a propane bottle for my forge body. Would there be an advantage to using two burners on something that size or would one be enough?

[@TurnerForge]

Anthony Omes eh, some might argue but I'm able to forge weld in mine with one burner at 15 psi. So in my opinion one is plenty.

[@Redtailedhawk99]

My hex cap was flat inside as well. So I drilled it centered without the help. I built a double burner, and now I’m working on my Forge. An old air tank. The burner turned out nice though.

[@kwcnasa]

fire start after @15:00

[@noahd8673]

what happened to you making videos?

[@AllChemystery]

so what would be the best way to avoid the chimney effect? as is my understanding air is sucked in through the top to feed the flame and with the venturi effect plus cooling of the gas being fed through the line, how will hot air make it all the way up the back enough to damage the parts? is there an ideal design for a forge to circumvent this problem?

[@TurnerForge]

I AM Diablo chimney effect usually happens when you shut the Forge off and all the heat inside the Forge comes out the torch body

[@Jcollom100]

smh

[@RedRocketProductions]

Hey man- couldn't find your Etsy page. Wondering if you sell those burners? I have no welding man skills yet, but your design looks great. I want one!

[@jagboy69]

Glad your back. Looks like you moved outta your shed! Show us the new digs and tell us where you've been hiding!

[@TurnerForge]

I think I could do that!

[@seebecarver1537]

Jesus Christ please isolate your camera stand from tour table top

[@FatManChubz]

That would be 1/8 NPT correct?

[@OneDollarAnd9cents]

Good job on the video. ONE question on this build... How far down into the bell reducer do you stick the 1/8 cap or nozzle? I assume it's not all the way to the 3/4 nipple - but getting close??

[@TurnerForge]

Don Grace I usually go about 1/2 way in to the reducer. but you might play with it just to tune it up

[@Bowtie41]

I had asked on your older burner vid,but since this is newer design I'll ask here.Since I have a lathe,would it be beneficial to machine a nice taper on the inside of the bell reducers?I would think it would disrupt the flow less than the threaded or cast interior.On the burner you actually use,can you share the dimensions on the forge-side end bell?I'm not scared to fabricate,lol,and others may want to know also.I like the newer saddle for the 1/8" on the one you say you use,that goes all the way across to the other side.I think I'll do that.How do you determine how far inside to put the 1/8" into the reducer before you tighten the setscrew,and does it make any difference?Lastly,in the other video I stated I had .030&.035 tips so I'll use one of them,but I see you have no baffle on this new design.Should I go a little bigger on the jet and then be able to adjust the air draw?P.S.,how do you think a needle valve in-line after the ball valve would work?Thanks again for sharing!

[@TurnerForge]

Bowtie41 Yes to all of That! I would love to hear how much It helped the design. As for the MIG tips my aim was to keep the hole as similar as possible. I apologize for the delayed response.

[@jrocks1971]

Machining your bell reducer on a lathe out of stainless is the ultimate. You want no more than a 1:12 taper -- i.e., the flare at the hot end of your burner should expand at an angle equivalent to a 1" pipe increasing to 2" over one foot (12".) A 2-3" flare at that taper ratio, made of stainless, that threads (or weld it) onto your 8" x 3/4" black pipe nipple burner body is ideal. As for MIG tips vs the fixed 3/64" hole for the gas aperture, I've done this both ways. The 3/64 bit/hole in the cap works fine, but I like drilling and tapping the 1/8" nipple cap to accept MIG tips (usually 1/4" x 20, but depends on your MIG tips - just wind them into the test threads at lowes fastener aisle to confirm the size tap you need.) MIG tips let you change them out as needed, which lets you run different apertures for single vs. double burners, etc. Running two burners off the same line changes the pressures coming out of the apertures. (One hole, more pressure -- two holes = less pressure.) You can get most of the adjustment you need by moving the venturi / MIG tip / 1/8" nipple & cap -- whatever you want to call it -- in and out of the bell reducer, and/ore by increasing the pressure via your gas line regulator knob, but the actual aperture also matters, so it's handy to be able to change out MIG tips when dialing it in. You need smaller apertures (MIG tips) at elevation and may have to try several, depending on your number of burners, before you'll find the best flame at the lowest PSI, so your fuel economy is the cheape$t possbile. Definitely get a 30 PSI propane regulator ($30 on Amazon, with hose) and I found it's wise to put in a 90 degree elbow and another 4"-8" nipple running away from the forge before the ball valve so you're not melting the nylon bushing the ball turns in, inside the ball valve shut-off (unless you can find the all-metal shut off valves.) The offset from the forge body also helps save that yellow gas-rated teflon tape from melting. Set your burners into your forge at and angle and pack your gaps around the burners where they feed into the forge body with a little left-over ceramic fiber insulator blanket to stop crazy heat from coming back up the burners ("the chimney effect.")

[@biochemicalracketeering3018]

What's the name of the website

[@stanislavkukatin6036]

How big of a forge will this burner work on?I'm making a forge out of a 20 pound propane tank, will I need two burners?

[@TurnerForge]

stanislav kukatin I would imagine 2 should suffice.

[@breakit2makeit393]

Hey dude. I was interested in buying 2 burners. Noticed ur website is down. Do you still sell? Cheers

[@TurnerForge]

James Ferry I'm sorry to say I don't sell burners anymore. My website is down currently I've had to put my business on hold.

[@TexasLonghornRanch]

I would like to buy two also.

[@jamesoliger2379]

Turner Forge hey do you think you'll be back up aand selling anytime soon?

[@benlallier1721]

I really like the design of this burner but I’m unable to get my forge above 1500°f when I run the burner at 7-10 psi. So the material I’m work on only gets orange and gives me very little time to forge it. My forge is the small one which I saw on essential craftsman 4.5x4x9. I use 1-1/4 flare on the burner end and I’ve tried 1-1/4 and 1-1/2 on the entry orifice. I’ve also tried different lengths of pipe 6 and 8 inch. And different welding tips .030 and .035. I also made the necessary flame adjustments by moving the tip in and out. I don’t see very much difference in any of the setup combinations I try, however, when I add a bit of air into the orifice from a hair dryer I can increase the temperature by at least 200°f. Many of the other similar burner design suggest a method of choking off the air intake but I’m finding its better to add more air. Do you have any idea what I can try to increase the temperature of the forge? Any suggestion is appreciated. Thanks

[@TurnerForge]

Hey ben. Wow it seems like you have tried almost everything! First thing, are you getting allot of dragons breath? This may be too much torch for that little forge. I wonder if you made a version of this torch scaled down if you may get better results? Also I would look at the delivery oriface, is it aligned so that the jet is not bouncing around in the torch body? Sometimes that can kill your heat. It's hard to diagnose without seeing it in action. I also have found that 6 to 7 inches is the sweet spot for the torch body.

[@benlallier1721]

Turner Forge Thanks for the timely reply. Yes the mig tip is aligned for sure . But you’ve given me a couple of things to consider. I don’t think there is too much dragon’s breath. When you say scale it down a bit I presume you are saying to try a smaller mig tip. Perhaps a .023. Will do but I am finding that the .035 gives somewhat more heat than the .030. And as for the size of the forge it will be fairly easy for me to double the size with a few bricks and see what happens. Unfortunately I live in the boondocks and don’t have easy access to everything but I will certainly give your suggestions a try ASAP. Thanks again.

[@TurnerForge]

@@benlallier1721 actually by scale it down I was talking about the torch body diameter it might be a better fit for your forge

[@benlallier1721]

Turner Forge as it turns out I discovered today that you should not use hard fire bricks for a forge. Apparently they soak up the heat. Unfortunately that’s all they carried at the local brickyard. I was able to buy a soft fire brick from a local potter to drill the hole for the burner. I will try and get some more from him to replace the hard ones. Really anxious to get the forge working properly so that I can get forging!

[@TurnerForge]

@@benlallier1721 Sweet! Let me know how it goes.

[@scottrittiger5086]

What is the fundamental difference of your burner compared to all the other designs that you knocked over on your table? What makes your design better?

[@TurnerForge]

Scott Rittiger the reason I favored this is it did not require the use of a MIG tip and made the alignment waaayyy easier.

[@jeffreyjones6409]

Very cool, or should I say hot burner? I have built a number of gas forges over the years and have tried about every burner on the web or in books. The one you built is going to be on my "to do" list. Keep up the good work, enjoy your vids.

[@TurnerForge]

Jeffrey Jones thank you very much!

[@janroodbol5055]

really going to build it becuase cool in a city isnt raelly a thing.

[@jamesvdl3583]

Now, how does that fit in a forge with the insulation? Do you make the torch adjustable, in or out of the forge?

[@TurnerForge]

James VDL For my forge I cut a hole in the side wall big enough for the torch.

[@michaeldemidio8773]

I'm going to be using this torch plan on my current forge project, I recently acquired an old propane tank to use as the body. my question is does the length of the torch body, the 8in gas nipple, have to be straight? is the length of the torch body a set variable or can it be shorter or longer? thanks for the helpful videos, I don't use/trust Facebook so I'm sorry to communicate through here if it is an inconvenience. thanks in advance for any help, it's much appreciated.

[@TurnerForge]

to tell you the truth I have never tried a bend in the torch body so I don't know about that. But the shortest I would go for the 3/4" pipe body would be 7" I have just had the best luck with 8"

[@michaeldemidio8773]

+Turner Forge thanks for the reply, I'll do some experimenting and if I get any good results I'll shoot them your way, thanks again

[@TurnerForge]

+Michael D'Emidio not a problem!

[@samp1394]

You know if you don't have any tools the chances are you don't need a burner for a forge.

[@TurnerForge]

Sam P True, however it was a while before I got my welder.

[@xxsquiiddxx5097]

Is it that the difference between this torch and the one you made a year ago the hole size in the plug ??

[@TurnerForge]

there are a few more differences. But mostly that this one requires a welder

[@tinasilvestri7913]

You should make Damascus

[@breakit2makeit393]

Not a problem. Thanks for the reply. Hope u get up and goin soon . Keep it up

[@TurnerForge]

James Ferry Thanks! You do the same.

[@rwzwiefka]

great vid! question about cap/mig tip placement, where in the reduction will it be most effective? or is it past the reduction completely?

[@TurnerForge]

Honestly I personally go about mid way in. But really you wanna play with it to get that sweet spot. You are trying to get torch to be as loud as it can be.

[@danielmatheson7535]

Would you be able to forge weld with a single one of these (given a decently efficient forge)

[@TurnerForge]

+Daniel Matheson I do all the time. Usually hit forge welding at about 15 to 20 psi.

[@jamesvdl3583]

Would you use two of these on a propane tank forge for maximum heating?

[@TurnerForge]

The Forge I have is a single tank size and I use one torch and can get welding temps no problem.

[@isdunyasi]

keep moustache

[@kansascountry970]

I am assuming if you are using this in a forge, it would be plenty good to use for an aluminum melting furnace? I am focusing on aluminum melting right now but would like to get into knifemaking sometime in the future so one torch that could do both would be nice!

[@TurnerForge]

Oh yes this application would work good with both

[@kansascountry970]

+Turner Forge Awesome! Thanks for the reply, I think I'll start sourcing the parts this weekend. I dont have a welder yet so it may have to wait a week or so until I go to my parents place to finish it. thanks for a nice, simple design! Also, just out of curiosity, any guess how many hours you get out of a tank of propane? I am debating building a waste oil/propane torch but at this point I may just keep it simple with propane only to start learning about torches and go from there

[@lotfimouelhi5941]

NOooooo That beer again!!!!

[@scottwoods236]

I built a torch. it works great for the most part. I do get an intermittent popping like it's trying to cut out. any insight on causes?

[@TurnerForge]

Scott Woods is it the torch in the video?

[@scottwoods236]

yes. except the 1/8 brass pipe was an inch longer.

[@dtj41]

Do you file the threads for the bell reducer acting as a flare?

[@TurnerForge]

no I did not

[@darylgardiner9820]

quick question on the pipe u used for the jet cap could u use a all thread an out a cap on it to adjust the air flow to tune to the propane psi I've seen one like it before but couldn't find a build vid about it

[@TurnerForge]

Daryl Gardiner I've seen them as well. That is a design I want to tackle but have not had the opportunity yet.

[@darylgardiner9820]

Turner Forge well if u get a chance to I wanna see the vid of it I'm thinking of making the one an this vid an trying it's injector set up an the other one

[@robertmoore2783]

Just curious to ask you or some of your viewers,would an ordinary Tiger Propane Touch work for this application.I would like to build a small forge to perhaps get my grandson interested in this type of hobby. Thanks in advance for your time.

[@TurnerForge]

Robert Moore I am unfamiliar with that torch. What was it's intended use?

[@robertmoore2783]

Thank you for your quick reply. The tiger torch is a very common propane torch that can be used for several applications,I think lots are used for say, thawing frozen pipes in winter.I live in Canada so lots of cold apps here. They are just off the shelf at most hardware stores. I think the easiest way to explain it would be to Google Tiger Torch and there is lots of info there.It has a fair amount of heat but maybe it would need injected air to save propane costs and heat faster.

[@TurnerForge]

Robert Moore to tell you through truth I would not use it for a forge.

[@robertmoore2783]

Ok great, thanks again for your advice.

[@MrSpunky01]

Would a BBQ regulator work? I built this and I don't seem to be getting the "jet effect"

[@evanpennock1301]

Dylan Banks I too have built this exact design using a BBQ low pressure regulator and do not get the "jet" effect either

[@MrSpunky01]

Evan Pennock I bought an adjustable regulator and use it at about 5-8 psi and it works perfect, i BBQ regulator only puts out around 1/2 psi.

[@cannabisenigma]

you need a 30 psi regulator, he alludes to it in the video

[@BladeforgerKLX]

Nice!! I subscribed and look forward to more.

[@TurnerForge]

BladeforgerKLX awsome thanks for the sub! I'll be coming out with another in the relatively near future.

[@chancekiki8488]

Everyone make this look hard but you explained this really good

[@TurnerForge]

thank you!

[@chancekiki8488]

are you still making videos

[@shonaoneill5151]

Turner Forge Look, your channel is awesome, STOP doing the shit 30 second intros! They are a waste of time and if people don't know how genuinely interesting and useful your content is they are not going to continue to watch. I would bet money that this is the sole reason why you don't have 20k+ subscribers right now bro. I dunno who told you that the intros would be a good idea but you need to bin them and start with something else. Something manly, fire, bashing the shit outta some metal, anything else rather than marshmallows and feckin teddy bears! Who in their right mind would possibly think that this is what a bloke/woman (who wants to beat the shit outta some metal) wants to see before the videos? You may think I am being a cunt, I'm not, I like your channel and would like to see it grow as it should. I cannot surely be the first person with the balls big enough to say this shit to you......am I?

[@chicken9287]

Nice website by the way.

[@TurnerForge]

Thank you!

[@prvtjoker1954]

What psi do you run this at? Did you say or didn't you, I didn't catch it.

[@TurnerForge]

typically for normal forging I run it at 3to5psi if I'm going for a forge weld I crank it up to 10 psi

[@prvtjoker1954]

Thank you

[@bradymcphail9690]

Man, really excellent video, I'm going down to Depot right now to get the few items I need to make a burner now. I've been using my oxy-acetylene Rosebud to this point in my forge, damn that's expensive!

[@TurnerForge]

Brady McPhail oh man tell me about it! Just filled my acetylene tank and cost me 70$!

[@bradymcphail9690]

Turner Forge hey man are you doing videos anymore? I was getting a whole bunch out of your stuff! I'm a beginner so I'm depending on you cats who make the good videos to lead me in the right direction..

[@TurnerForge]

Brady McPhail I do plan on making more vids. Just don't know when. You should try and connect with some smiths on line. There are tons of awsome face book groups that have loads of info. Blacksmith for beginners is a good go to.

[@chicken9287]

After researching the actual forge making, why didn't you go with a fireclay recipe? It looks cheaper to make.

[@TurnerForge]

I guess I'm not following. Are you referring to the liner in my forge?

[@chicken9287]

+Turner Forge oh, yes sorry, and I commented in the wrong video. The insulation lining over fireclay. Wondering if you have opinions on them.

[@TurnerForge]

+Ben Hopp Actually there are a few. The ones I am fond of are ceramic wool, fire brick and refractory cement.

[@garymyers6638]

i guess I'm stupid

[@cannabisenigma]

its never good to knock your audience. But yes. Should you run into a problem, yes your a dummy for not having a shut off valve on handle. but your not stupid. easy enough to go make a new torch or add the valve to yours. i will say his drinking, and d bag attitude is why he only has 3 vids. i don't use his design. he makes indexing the thing out to be a project. i index mine by soldering it resting flat...hard to explain. anyway. its otherwise a good vid, minus the your stupid comment and beer.

[@jrocks1971]

@@cannabisenigma lol -- I found myself wanting a frosty Sam Adams while watching this vid. I have zero problem with a grown man having a cold beer in his shop, while showing people how to do something kick-ass like make a forge burner. It's kind of an odd condemnation, coming from someone with "cannabis" in their name.

[@jeremygort428]

how much for a torch

[@TurnerForge]

I've put a hold on orders for torches for the time being. At this point in time I am not making them. 😕

[@ernhrtus]

Did you start selling these yet? I didn't see it on the website.

[@TurnerForge]

I had to pull them unfortunately. There was some problems as far as cost that I ran into. I apologize.

[@ernhrtus]

I'll send you an email on your site. Thanks.

[@kennybrooks4570]

How big of a foundry would this work in

[@TurnerForge]

Hmm. You know I'm not sure. the biggest I have ever tried is about a 5gal propane tanks size. I would be curious to find out.

[@kennybrooks4570]

Turner Forge I have a foundry that has a 9 in diameter and is 14 inches deep. We tried melting copper once but I think it let out to much heat and the torch didn't burn efficiently

[@onedirtydieseltech]

How hard would this be to adapt for natural gas ?

[@TurnerForge]

onedirtydieseltech I have no idea

[@onedirtydieseltech]

Turner Forge ok well I'll dig a bit further into it but I believe nat gas is in need of larger oriface

[@TurnerForge]

onedirtydieseltech I think you may be right. I would be curious to know!

[@glennfelpel9785]

Thank you for sharing this design!

[@TurnerForge]

thank you for watching!

[@themadsmith857]

i used brass for the gas nozzle part instead of steel.. that's fine right?

[@TurnerForge]

Blacksmith44 ya you should be just fine.

[@rwzwiefka]

great video! I was curious if you have even used a 2" reducer? I found a 2" to 3/4" reducer and wanted your expertise about how i might use it most efficiently

[@TurnerForge]

I have, and they work great! I would recomend them however they are a bit more difficult to find than the ones they carry in the big box stores.

[@rwzwiefka]

do you have an idea of mig tip size that i should use with the 2" reducer? I have tried .030 and .025...

[@TurnerForge]

@@rwzwiefka The .30 worked ok for me. If you are having troubles I would first check the alignment, if that's all good then you might need to bump it up a size.

[@rwzwiefka]

what do you recommend for the reducer size holding the torch flame if shooting propane into 2" reducer? is there a rule of thumb for this? I appreciate you helping me along TF

[@TurnerForge]

@@rwzwiefka no real rule that I know of, I usually just go the next size up. So 3/4 to 1". It never hurts the go bigger though

[@logancolethompson]

I really love your channel! Keep it up!

[@TurnerForge]

thank you! I'll try to get more vids up soon!

[@logancolethompson]

+Turner Forge I made an anvil out of a railroad bracket and four spikes and am thinking of how I want to make a forge

[@TurnerForge]

+Gordon Thompson let me know how it goes!

[@logancolethompson]

Turner Forge I will!

[@archangel20031]

I built one patterned after the one made by the king of random and it gets everything red hot but the copper only become soft, it does not melt, and that's after having the burner run for almost 2 hours emptying my propane tank. I used the .023 MIG tip but was wondering if a larger hole would work better. I have .030 - .035 and .045. tips on my MIG supplies.

[@TurnerForge]

archangel20031 I would use a ".30" mig I've had the best luck with those

[@carlocolsen553]

I don't like the tatoos

[@TurnerForge]

Carlo Colsen, well I don't like people who comment on completely irrelevant things and who can't spell "tattoos" correctly.

[@petersilva4242]

Ive built a couple dif versions cant seem to get a nice blue flame.always has yellow tip to the flame.any tips

[@TurnerForge]

Peter Silva it sounds like there might be some turbulence inside the chamber. Be sure the jet is going straight down the tube, you have enough pressure, and there is nothing clogging the delivery orafice.

[@zombieresponder]

Gotta say something, just because I'm a machinist and it bothers me. 1/64" = .0156", so 3/64" = .0468" 1/32" = .0312" So your propane jet is .0468", not the .030" you stated. If you don't understand what a fraction means in decimal form, pull out your phone and open the calculator app. Punch in the top number and divide it by the bottom number. Other than that, good video.

[@TurnerForge]

Thanks! The .030 was the size mig tip I purchased. That is what it said on the packaging. But thank you for giving me a heads up. Glad you like the vid.

[@zombieresponder]

@@TurnerForge Did I misunderstand you in your use of a 3/64" drill in that Dremel? Seemed like you were saying it was going to be the orifice/jet for propane rather than a mig tip.

[@TurnerForge]

You know what you are right, I used a mig tip in another vid, ya it's been a while since I made this one. The bit size was just what was on the bit box. Thank you for lending some insight!

[@zombieresponder]

@@TurnerForge Yeah, no worries man. Lots of people have trouble with the decimal to fraction conversion and I wanted to point it out so folks would be aware. It might not work well at .046" for someone else.

[@stuknda80z]

I stopped watching when you said three fourths instead of three quarter , never heard a grown man call out a dimension like a second grader

[@TurnerForge]

stuknda80z oooohhh good! I'm sure you will be better suited nitpicking another person's channel. I care very little for your odd standards.