Mil-Comm vs Frog Lube

[@MrComaeternal1]

Ive never used frog lube so I cant judge it. However, we used tw25 (milcomm) grease on all of our machine guns in the Marine Corps. The only time we used the aerosol was if we needed to give the gun a little more lube throughout the day, wed hold the bolt open and spray it. Never used the oil either. I have personally, on a training day, fired 6,000 rounds through a 240 before it seized and I only did one moderate lube with the grease at the beginning of the day. After that I was sold. I use it on all of my weapons at home, aside from my match fit 1911's where I use pro-7. The grease is expensive but its the best imo because you can do all the different levels of lube with it, from daily use to preservation. Great video, thanks.

[@mrhellotherehowareu1384]

+MrComaeternal1 I've had cases where using froglube would burn off in a matter of less than 200 rounds of fire with a ar15 rifle. With tw25b grease, I was able to go well beyond that and it still kept shooting just as it was straight out of the safe. I also only applied a light dab of it on the rails of the carrier.

[@lethalcross7]

+MrComaeternal1 Must you fully strip down the firearm of any grease or residue prior to applying Mil Comm as you would with frog lube? I recently purchased mil comm tw 25 simply for the syringe and to my surprise have come upon an awesome product !!

[@mrhellotherehowareu1384]

lethalcross7 It's always recommended to degrease a firearm before applying new lube. You don't know how something may interact with another. Milcomm recommends that you completely degrease the weapon with a dedicated cleaner (such as their mc25 or using 91% isopropyl alcohol).

[@MrComaeternal1]

+lethalcross7 I cant say for sure what the instructions are. Over the years though, I have applied it straight to a dirty weapon, or clp covered rifle or pistol, with no gumming or issues whatsoever. This includes my machine guns in the Corps, my duty rifle/pistol for my current job, and my firearms at home. I always try to clean everything best I can when I get the time and apply a fresh coat, but if Im in a hurry I just slap some tw25 on there. Ive never had any issues. Plus if there is more on the weapon, it breaks the carbon down and can be easier to wipe clean vs scrubbing. The only exception to that is my M1A. I use mobil 1 wheel bearing grease, and would not mix the two together.

[@lethalcross7]

Great thanks for the info. I use Wheel bearing grease as well on my firearms, this was my reason for asking. I will completely degrease, prior to using just in case. Again thanks.

[@carllove3705]

Thank you for this video comparison. I will go with Mil-Comm. Update: I ordered some today, both the TW-25B grease, and the lubrication oil.

[@bearman000ify]

Great job RisArms! I really appreciate your non biased videos. I put some milcomm on a squealing pulley bearing, on my truck. I swear I used everything I could think of on it. Noise came back in days! Milcomm, 53 days and counting, NO NOISE!!!

[@richardturk7162]

I have used MilComm TW25 B for over 25 years and swear by it for belt fed guns. I use the paste on all metal parts but the bore for that I mix the TW 25 B and 91% alcohol in a spray bottle and squirt some down the bore then run a patch thru it. I have been in very dirty and dusty environments and it works great.

[@azbcaz]

Thanks for taking the time to test these 4 products side by side in what appeared to me an an unbiased effort to determine which is the best rust prevention treatment. I think if FrogLube was the best rust prevention treatment, then the military would be using it instead of Mil-Comm - this is just my opinion. I would think FL would have made some effort to get it approved for military use.

[@aaronengineer]

Outstanding analytical piece. I appreciated the thoughts and explanation for why the MC spray worked better than the paste. As far as scientific, it meets every criteria I ever encountered for testing as an engineer. All samples were subjected to the same treatment. The only possible variable you didn't account for was varying pressure when applying. Kudos on the job done.

[@AaronRogersDiscGolf]

Don't know much about Mil-Comm, but I do know that the specs for Frog Lube state the product should "soak" for 30-60 minutes for initial treatment. So in this case, the Frog Lube wasn't used correctly. Interested in what the results would be when used correctly. Thanks for the hard work!

[@TheLocknLoadChannel]

Very Interesting results! Thanks for doing the test Matt!

[@elkbow]

yea only reason I use it on internals like the bolt carrier in inside of upper receiver is that it is really dusty here in New Mexico, and wind seems to be blowing alot, froglube doesn't attract dirt/dust, but I use either TW25 on other parts/guns, or Wilson Combat oil or grease, but like seeing tests like this, would be cool to test even more products...thanks again, simple but effective test

[@6605eric]

I have used TW-25-B for years. After watching your test I could only find a couple of things I would have done different, but that being said, it was a good test. Living and carrying a firearm (on and off duty) in S.E. Louisiana, I guess I will stick with the good stuff. Thanks for sharing the test.

[@elkbow]

good video, I use both products, I use froglube solely on my actions, not externally, and mostly on AR-15 actions, however we have tested on bolt guns, I do heat the parts more than putting them out in the sun, I use a heat gun, not to alter the physical structure of the part, just to allow the pores to open more....

[@gapster46]

Every time I open my container of Frog Lube, I keep wanting to put it in a cup of hot chocolate along with some Kahlua. I’ve used TW25B grease for a long time and continue to use it. So far, I’m only experimenting with the Frog Lube on my AR 15, and it seems to be great. Get to range. Look at BCG, and I can feel the Frog Lube. After a mag the entire BCG is wet. Good stuff. There are a lot of products to choose from. To have the choice is good. Many like Mobile 1. I use in my truck.

[@FuzzBall1616]

whenever I plan to store my guns for long periods of time i use the TW25B i a fairly heavy concentration. Whenever I go shooting i use MPRO-7 because of the performance i get from it. thanks for making the video great info on both the products!

[@sonnyboy4890]

This was a great vid. Let your eyes be the judge. Outstanding comparison.

[@dogfather68]

I have tried various solutions, brands, frog lube, and of course CLP over the last 27 years, and the most important aspect is how well you clean your firearm. In the end it's preference, trial and error, testing, and how much or how little your weapon needs lubrication. You did a great case study demonstrating why it is important to put a light coat of your choice of oil on your weapon when storing it. I like frog lube for certain applications, but not for everything. Again, good demo.

[@RisArms]

Absolutely 100% dead on Bro....You have to have a sound regiment of preventive maintenance. To me it doesn't matter as much what you use but how you use it. Use what you like and what works for you....Thanks for the comment Bro...

[@lethalcross7]

+RisArms Must you fully strip down the firearm of any grease or residue prior to applying Mil Comm as you would with frog lube? I recently purchased mil comm simply for the syringe and to my surprise have come upon an awesome product !!

[@wildmanjeff42]

I bought it for about $13.00 for I think was a 4 ounce bottle online. it seems moderately thick and was recommended highly on AR-15.com. It is not a CLP but LP only. seems to work so far really good, and I think I saw some pics online comparisons rust tests similar to yours that seemed to do real well. Thanks for the response. I am always looking for great protection of my firearms. Thanks for the videos and response!

[@ridnpowder20]

good video.... wonder if the frog lube would have cleaned the rusted metal better if it was heated?

[@azbcaz]

My mistake, Mil-Comm TW25B is the recommended Lubricant by Sig Sauer, NOT G Lube. Which is a pretty good endorsement of Mil-Comm being preferred to FrogLube, at least by Sig Sauer

[@Powerpickle68]

Good test of both products. I have seen very similar tests with better results overall. Both products are great and you can't go wrong with either. I believe that your test an others utilizing extreme corrosion scenarios are a testament to how wonderful both products are and our firearms will never see these kinds of conditions.

[@The1911Channel]

this was excellent Matt! your technique and objectivity was right on! you should sell Mil-Comm...i am without a doubt going to buy the Mil-Comm spray...

[@1911ES1]

Yes, that about sums it up. Everyone has their favorites. Like any other product ..... if you have good results with a certain one ..... you stick with it. I do background research on anything I buy.

[@ChuckZulu]

That's a great video. I'm hooked on the MilComm grease, but I may have to get some of the oil as well.

[@suzettespencer]

Great experiment. I cant believe how fast the control rusted. Must be non-stainless.

[@TheWhmaxwell]

Another excellent video man. I have been thinking about trying froglube for a few months... been reading different opinions about it.

[@azbcaz]

Did you ever ask Mil-Comm if they had any insight or theories on why the TW25B oil did a better job of rust prevention than their TW25B grease?

[@GeneralMarbleMan]

I am loving these tests. You are really holding people accountable for their claims. Bout time!

[@worddunlap]

5.7 FN, it's the polymer....I don't oil handguns the same as rifles anyway. I use computer wipes on the polymer bits. It's plastic like and would never need oil anyway. I did start using gunslick, pretty good stuff. My sig rifle did come with a tube of this grease that was missing..

[@paulf7604]

I thought mil comm's strong suit is lubrication, not corrosion resistance. For corrosion resistance, there are tons of products that work great.

[@2tommyrad]

I've been using the FL paste on the linkage inside my revolvers with great results. They function like butter and took off about .5lb off the trigger pull.

[@darwinner007]

I've seen the TW25B turn into a thick, tacky varnish if left out long enough...maybe it only does that if it's in too thick of a film/layer. Plus it separates over time. I like Weapon Shield, Slip2000 EWL, and this Frog Lube sounds pretty good too.

[@CastielA3G]

Oh you mean how the person that created it intended it to be used. I watched one video with Larry (the guy who came up with the idea of Frog lube) and also went to their website and read the directions. It always helps when the product in question is actually applied in accordance with the directions. Chris Costa says its impressive. That was enough for me to Frog Lube all of my pieces.

[@2tommyrad]

You may want to look into this deeper but I was reading an article by a guy that had been a chemist for 30+ years and an avid shooter/reloader and said that Ballistol is one of the worst fluids a person could put on a gun, or other metal, when using it as a storing-lube. As I understand it, some of the constituent chemicals will attack certain metals, such as those found on guns with filigree-work.

[@BRUISER823]

I dig it bro. I would like to see how the paste holds up when applied with a hair dryer and paintbrush though.

[@RisArms]

We did that on the Mil-Comm Froglube the final video..Well except for the paint Brush. The link to that vid is in the description. Now it was done with the new version of FL that came out in June of 2012. It is a much, much better product then the first formula. It did quite well....

[@stewpidaso26]

i just use mobile 1 synthetic grease. not on my DI ar 15 but on my lwrc and glock and it comes right off. i assume the mobile one would protect the metal just as well? then again it doesnt really matter with a glock and the failzero coating on the lwrc.

[@Guns_and_Outdoors_Channel]

Your test was very conclusive to me. It looks like I'm going with Mil-Comm. Good video thanks for do it.

[@Redlight25]

I have both the mil com and frog lube. I like them both, but I tend to use frog lube more on my AR's.. Both are great

[@blevins923]

They say its food grade. I have also found it will moisturize your skin. Hopie’s has a real foul smell. Anything that will dissolve copper and led can’t very good for it to come into contact with your skin.

[@HK45infidel]

Right, you can't expect reliable data from someone trying to sell something. I am mainly just wanting more validation of my giant jar or TW-25b.

[@thekeshwin]

as i said , it is the free samples they give you ..the paste is alomost like wax and needs to be apllied with a brush ...try heating it up with a hair dryer..also it needs to be wiped off after an hr ..

[@OffCamberTJ]

Why wasn't the frog lube applied per directions? Heat the metal first. Until it's applied per manufacture recommendations how could the test be anywhere near conclusive?

[@henryharle89]

I'll stick with TW25B. Been using it for 5 yrs and love it. I may try the spray oil too

[@TylerLL2112]

I feel it is a slight boost in performance from frog lube it could just be me froglube is cheaper for more of it so i'm not sure.I had one gun that my friend coated with frog lube and its close to PWS but i still have a tub of PWS to use up berfore I try froglube on more firearms .Militec is also up there as a lube.I will try tw25 thanks for the video take care!

[@blevins923]

Frog Lube is also food grade. So it will not poison you if you accidently get some in your mouth. I have also found it will moisturize dry skin while I’m cleaning my gun.

[@mattf4143]

JAMES BLEVINS it’s good to know that if I go into convulsions when I’m cleaning my gun and accidentally dump a few oz. of frog lube down my throat I’ll be ok.

[@Paquette011]

Good video. I've been using frog lube in all my guns for the past year. Zero malfunctions in all my guns since I started using it

[@hk45shooter]

Great vid. I think real life tests like yours are a good way to get unbiased results. Thanks for sharing. Take care.

[@straitshooter1000]

The video was removed because Milcom sent a legal notice to remove it. I wonder if they will do the same for this video. I bet not.

[@worddunlap]

I used to use CLP (Break Free) on everything until I bought a pistol that specifically said not to. I'm now using gunslick and satisfied. This video does look interesting.

[@LawnDawg007]

Thanks for doing these tests... great info! Militec vs Mil-Com next?

[@eagleviewhd]

The Mil-Comm product costs over three times the price of Frog Lube. 4oz of frog lube: $14.97/4Oz of Mil-Comm: $58.97 I treated a bare metal polished pellet gun barrel with Froglube eight years ago and despite being stored in my garage it is still as shiny and rust free as the day I polished and treated it.

[@alanmeyers3957]

If you’re happy, I’m happy, I wouldn’t use that garbage if it was free!

[@metaldrummer517]

I This may seem pedantic, but rust formation is a reduction/oxidation reaction and because different metals/alloys oxidize/reduce at different rates, a firearm might not behave the same as the metal in this test.

[@DinoNucci]

Wait ... This is nearly a half hour long? ....

[@40sigsauer]

I'm really looking forward to the results, been thinking about trying out that frog lube. Thanks for the awesome videos!!!

[@cajoleable]

Thanks for the video. I was considering purchasing some FL with all the hype lately. I'll just stick with what I have been using. Thanks again.

[@davidgpo]

Nice test as I was just contemplating trying Frog Lube. I wonder how Mobil One stacks up against Mil Comm?

[@suzettespencer]

Would love for you to do the same experiment on Weapon Shield. I use it as a protectant but do not know how good it is.

[@1PhoenixRider]

Thanks for the video, great information. I thought that the CLP (?) was not in the frog lube anymore also the more you use it the better the protection, says the owner of FROG LUBE. Do you think that would make a difference? I use Rem-oil and have had no problems with rust or malfunctions. Now if I clean my guns a lot or just lucky I do know that it is not a great product. I do have Mil-Comm. and just looking for options. Thanks again

[@meeteatr]

Hmm, I wonder how Ballistol would have done in comparison to these...

[@sajidakh]

If you get a chance....test Strike Hold as well. I think it will work better than all the lubricants you've listed.

[@bokinsmud]

I thought one of the big selling points for the frog lube was the fact that none of they're products were petroleum based?

[@TylerLL2112]

How do you feel militec compares to milcom I use PWS gun ease i love it.However its basically improved froglube.

[@iMotoTactic00L]

Can you test the Amsoil MP protectant thats what i used on my firearms.

[@speedwaypinoy]

The video you posted under the description has been removed =/

[@azbcaz]

I sure with you'd consider a similar test of Mil-Comm Oil vs G Lube. something I've bought & have always used in the bore & exterior surfaces of my firearms. G Lube is the lubricant of choice by Sig Sauer firearms G Lube vs Mil-Comm would be a worthy comparison test down the road. I like the advertising of G Lube as something that chemically bonds itself at the molecular level to the firearms metal. Don't know if it does or not, your test would confirm or deny that advertising claim.

[@newdefsys]

Wow, thanks for testing these products. I'm impressed with the mil-com.

[@jimasterash]

Thank you for this video. I think it was fair and unbiased. The video showed me that if I leave any metal part of my P226 submerged in saline water for more than 7 hours without cleaning it, it will get rusty. Now in the real world hopefully that never happens, but still good to know. Froglube FTW!!

[@ejkoechling]

I was wondering the same. ...Would it have done better if you would have heated the metal with a hair dryer before application ?? isn't that what FL recommends?? just courious. Nice vid by the way..Still looks like a good product. I think I'll try it. I don't plan on soaking my firearms in saline or the oceans. lol

[@MrTactiCALi]

Mil Comm is better if you are planning on spraying the item with Saline...

[@ejkoechling]

wasn't trying to be a troll. by the way , where did you get the test sizes of the oil and paste? got to site and would like to get a sample size first before purchasing larger size

[@PBJShooter]

Wonder how ballistol would do?

[@dogshmog]

Glad I used tw25 first and never wasted my time with the frog lube. Tw25 grease is amazing, and it smells good as well.

[@HK45infidel]

Damn fine video, thank you for your all the hard work. Would it be acceptable for me to ask you to possibly formulate a friction test between the two products?

[@larryb2967]

Just let you know, they say Frog Lube is supposed to be coated 3 different times to season the material.I don't know if that would affect the test you done,but you should give it a try.They claim after 3 applications of use,it will season the metal.I'm new to frog lube,but if you try this other test,and still the same results,than I would definitely use mil-comm 2500.Thanks

[@willisforillis181]

fl does need to be used more than once i have a fl application instructions that states heat apply let stand for an hour.. use weapon whipe down re apply fl with heat 2 more times.. once 3 applications are on your weapon will stay cleaner longer

[@ImFastRR]

Hey Ris, Thanks for the video. I haven't bought any FL yet because I was still doing some research. This video helped me a lot... I have 1 question though.... where is the video you said is in the description? I don't see it.

[@nohandle257]

Well I'm gonna try it. Just ordered some from them. A little ticked at their shipping charges. They are charging a premium price for this stuff.  To heap exorbitant shipping charges on top of that is not cool.

[@stewartjarod]

Frog lube isn't effective until after it has "seasoned" the metal. You have to apply at minimum 3 times, they say 5, and is best if you heat the metal before applying it.

[@DC5Jay]

Great video brother, I was wondering how the FL performed after seeing Sootch's vid on it, I think I'll stick with my Ballistol or Breakfree.

[@AaronRogersDiscGolf]

Still stand by my comments made in 2012 ( LOL ) . Have to follow the instructions for proper application as each compound requires a different type of application method. Can't base it on what you THINK the product should do. If FL states you must heat and let it soak in for it to work as they claim, you have to follow those steps before faulting them.

[@RisArms]

Did you even watch the video??? How many times did I say it was heated?...Three!!! Ambient sunlight...Hell I even paused the thing in one spot so there would be no doubt...And the instructions for FL NEVER said you "have" to heat the metal...Never!! It also NEVER said that you "have" to let it soak in for any amount of specified time...So yeah I stand by my results...The original formula for FL "in my opinion" sucked ass in comparison....The new formula however, again in my opinion is a decent product as the newer test showed. Not so much the test I do on camera but the one that I reveal at the end...

[@azbcaz]

Won't you please consider doing a similar test with some of the other popular lubricants to include Ballistol, G Lube, & perhaps a couple of others, your video would be "the definitive" rust test of all the popular lubricants currently in vogue in a side by side comparison test. You might even ask your subscribers if they have a favorite lube they'd like you to include in your All In One Comparison Test.

[@ShadowPlay1919]

I don' understand why. Doesn't it show Mil Comm as better than Froglube? Am I missing something? I just came here from facebook's frog lube. Why would they show this?

[@fuyingbro]

Great video sir. I have never had a rust issue but it doesnt mean I wont. I think I will pick up some of that milcomm tw2500. seems to work great. thanks for the video again. oh yea and the armory channel sent me.

[@zincognito05]

Hey Ris, thanks for the video and fair test. I currently use FL but I'm not loyal to a brand, just quality. I'm in the process of trying out some of this Mil-comm stuff but I'm having a hard picking a bottle or tube. What do you recommend?

[@polo4mylogo]

Great video but they say to heat treat it then put the lube on and wait for it to dry on the metal

[@celticwarrior916]

I think froglube did pretty darn good for being a plant based lubricant and being completely non-toxic. I wonder if it would improve with each application after using the firearm and season the metal like bacon does to cast iron. Mil-comm has synthetic chemistry on its side, I sure as heck wouldn't want it in contact with my skin for any amount of time. Thanks for doing a realistic and unbiased side by side review. I'll have to give mil-comm a try.

[@EMFSafetyZone]

Hey thestrongbow, thanks for saying what most people do not pay attention to that you would not want the synthetic material in contact with your skin. Ya, its nano-particles get into the metal to protect, so it sure as hell is going into the skin! I always want the best products for my guns, but I seem perfectly happy with Seal1 CLP, cause I could care less about getting it all over my hands. I wouldn't eat it, but what a pleasure cleaning and lubing a gun with that product. And I am sure the Frog Lube is right there as well.

[@PUproducts08]

Interesting that this was posted with the same name as the previous video, makes you wonder.................

[@jrossi9250]

Great vid. Thanks for taking the time. J R

[@grahamebaugh9836]

I have used FL for about a year now. I have a Springfield Armory XDM that I consider a "Safe Queen". Not that it's a super expensive gun, it just means a lot to me. I brought it out of the safe after it had been totally dormant for 6 months. The FL that was on the recoil spring and guide rod as well as the slide can only be described as "glue". Literally sticky to the touch with a terrible consistency. It almost made me sick to my stomach. So badly in fact that I pondered if the gun would even run correctly in the event it was called upon. if you read this comment DO NOT BUY FROGLUBE. Unless you have someone you don't like and want to temporarily ruin their guns. I've ordered the TW25B, I'm hopeful that it does all I think that it will.

[@wildmanjeff42]

Thanks for the video! I have seen a few postings on AR15.com for froglube, and from what I was reading at the time, slip2000 was highly recommended. I purchased a bottle, and have Break free clp for general cleaning, I use slip2000 for moving parts. I dont know if you have used slip2000 but was wondering if you have and how you think it rates to froglube--

[@doubleglock19]

Awesome video! I think alot of people would like to see more videos like these. Mil-Comm ( The current champ ) who can come close?

[@Enlowra]

Used frog lube for a few years, you have to apply it per instructions. Or you'll get the glue affect. Nothing wrong with that but it's a indicator you put too much on.

[@grantorino2009]

Absolutely superb video. Excellent work.

[@RisArms]

Thank you!!!...Be sure to watch the final linked in the description...

[@The1911Channel]

yes Matt, thanks!

[@emirates2001]

Very educational video (Thanks). Im new to firearms, I have a Glock 19 and I am using Hoppes 9 cleaner and oil whenever I clean my gun. Do you think this is a good product ?

[@ericstanford7670]

Hoppes cleaner is great but their oil ain’t much more than baby oil. I use Lucas and going to try milcomm

[@elguapo2317]

I would like to see a test with gun butter

[@Liberty-Works1111]

'Ive used both over a 3 year period on Bulgarian Ak 47 & 74"s & high end Ar's as well as various hand guns... After 3 years actual weapon experience, they are both good, could use them both but, day by day I gravitated towards Mil-Comm... I just felt it handled the powder, dirt and grit better when the weapons got hot... Also, In cold extremes, (Michigan) the Frog Lube could get jelly like... For any "Frog Boys", I Don't need to be sold on Frog lube, very happy with Mil-Comm... Use what you LIKE, skip the hype... I followed ALL heat and saturate instructions on frog lube so there were no application disadvantages AND... If you heat the metal a little with the Mil-Comm, it works even better due to metal expansion and absorption...

[@curlyrai1511]

Man, you put in a long day. Thanks for the nonbiased testing. I wished the Froglube had done better, I just bought a 4 oz. jar of the paste for $14.00. Oh well.

[@dawhitecastle]

It's definitely not sub-par... it does the job and does it well.

[@40sigsauer]

Awesome results! Mil-comm it is, looks like it works really good!!!! Thanks so much for this!!! I agree with the aerosol theory. Thanks again!!!

[@dwiral]

great test

[@MrTactiCALi]

All in all, great review bro! I honestly don't think you can go wrong with either one, especially if you love mint! lol