Miles M52 v Bell X1

[@keithammleter3824]

Bancroft's fancy and imagination - There is no secret about why the Brit gvt cancalled the M.52. They cancelled it because Miles Aircraft failed to employ suitably competent engineers and aerodynamicists, and the M.52 was never going to fly supersonically.

[@cavalier080854]

This had everything to do with transonic research. This was a response to reports of a german plane being designed with a speed of 1000mph, which is faster than sound. But the report was wrong, the speed was actually meant to be 1000kph which was lost in translation. The german plane reported was the ME262.

[@TheBillzilla]

FWIW the all-moving tail was first used a few decades before WW2, around the start of WW1 I think I remember reading a few weeks ago - Though it obviously wasn't for high-speed flight. A damn shame that the M.52 didn't go ahead. :(

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

The Wright Flyer used a horizontal _STABILATOR_ Fokker, Halberstadt and Saulnier all introduced tail mounted stabilators early in WW1. The first jet aircraft to use a fly-by-wire stabilator trim control was the Messerschmitt Me-262... Bell engineers copied it's design for the X-1.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

​@@kaferere Sorry, but clearly you are not qualified to discuss this matter intelligently. The Me-262 was developed by Adolf Busemann who conducted exhaustive research and testing of the Me-262 at speeds up to Mach 1.4 at the Luftfahrtforschungsanstalt supersonic wind tunnel laboratories in Brauschweig. Theodore Von Karman discovered the data including the fly-by-wire Horizontal stabilator and gave it who? His former student *Jack Riddley* the aerodynamisist at Bell Aircraft on the X-1 program.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

@@kaferere The British are fantastic fiction writers... building aircraft? Not so much.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

​@@kaferereThe Miles M.52 is pure British science fiction... never in history has there been so much discussion about an aircraft that never existed.

[@WizzleThump]

What show is this rom???

[@cousindave1]

If my memory is correct, it was from a 6 part series called "Speed" presented by Jeremy Clarkson.

[@rickb.4168]

Doesn’t a whip produce a sonic boom, Jeremy? Think people have been creating them for quite some time.

[@cavalier080854]

Your comments have never been blocked, just never received. Could you give your source again.

[@clowntrooper61]

He also said that the UK was forced america things And i dont see why you are commenting on something which I said 8 months ago

[@davidpeters6536]

British Fairy Delta 2 was first jet to 1000mph. It was doing the research the US (Boeing) is doing now to try to reduce the shock wave (and consequently the noise of the sonic boom).

[@DoktorBayerischeMotorenWerke]

Britain was never a leader in supersonic aircraft technology.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

The German A4b rocket plane flew Mach 4 in 1945..

[@PeteCourtier]

Crikey, Jezza used to be a beanpole😂 Where’s me aspect ratio control? I still can’t believe how naive my country can be at times. US, have our supersonic research. USSR, have our jet engines! Face palm 🤦‍♂️

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

Brits didnt offer any useful supersonic research, Germany was years ahead.

[@PeteCourtier]

Sander Van der Kammen where’s your evidence? Nice sweeping statement there😂

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

@@PeteCourtier *_Luftfartforschungsanstalt_* The World's first supersonic wind tunnel research laboratory in Braunschweig Germany. Jet engines were actually invented in Germany not the UK.

[@PeteCourtier]

Sander Van der Kammen was that before the Teddington supersonic wind tunnel built in 1922?

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

@@PeteCourtier For supersonic aircraft design, Yes.

[@bogomir67]

Here is a comment about Je.... oh. Sorry...

[@cavalier080854]

Yhe models you refer to were designed by Vickers based on the Miles M52 only to 1/3 scale, it was the engines which failed not the airframe. One failed on launch from a Mosquito, the last one was seen flying out to the Atlantic before being lost. But all these flight models were done after the Miles M52 was cancelled. Probable reason for cancellation, Britain was bankrupt.

[@JesterNR1]

You're adorable.

[@willgeary6086]

Sorry but we gave you Brits the S5W reactor for your first nuclear sub HMS Dreadnought S101 so I wouldn't be talking

[@willgeary6086]

ps I was only talking to people who say Americans know nothing.

[@george385]

+Will Geary We gave you the Jet Engine, as well as being the first to demonstrate nuclear fission.

[@george385]

Walton & Cockcroft gave you nuclear fusion

[@barracuda7018]

@@george385 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lise_Meitner Brits have nothing to do with nuclear fission. German scientists have achieved that. Also the British Tube alloy project scientists were all Germans..so you Brits have invented a shit. Jet engine? lol Whittle's jet engine was a disaster. GE engineers have redesigned it to make it work. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisch-Peierls_memorandum

[@Dwainpipe21]

And without the Brits assisting the Manhattan project you wouldn't have a reactor to give anyone .

[@cavalier080854]

Miles M52 also featured the turbo fan engine with after burner as well as other features found on later jets, well ahead of its time it suffered from problems which were unknown at the time, but solved most of them by the time of its cancellation, one source says for the want of £7000!

[@frank2398]

Isn't really a combination of history? A square wheel doesn't roll well. And a round wheel does. I'm an American and I know that most of the technology that made the Bell X-1 possible came from Germany, Russia and England. I get that, enough said. But give Chuck the credit he deserves. Simply said, a boy from West Virgina did something amazing with a little orange plane. It is already history, and it is amazing. Let it be that and nothing more.

[@MissydMCR]

Typical! Americans taking credit for something that they had no idea about until they stole it from us! Trying to look for a clip of Jeremy when he goes to America and does a protest about British inventions and American inventions... but I cant find it. Any help? :)

[@t1e6x12]

Ok liberal

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

The British didn't invent supersonic flight.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

The Miles M.52 never existed

[@DoktorBayerischeMotorenWerke]

Can't steal what's not real! The M.52 does not exist and never did, it is an example of pure British science fiction.

[@fairclought7]

its common knowledge the x1 is a direct copy of the M52

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

The M.52 never existed

[@WilhelmKarsten]

The Miles M.52 is pure British science fiction fantasy.

[@DoktorBayerischeMotorenWerke]

Can't steal what's not real! There was never any aircraft called the M.52... does not exist.

[@Jon-es-i6o]

The M-52 was by far a better experimental plane than the X-1. As well as the horizontal stabiliser, the M-52 was jet propelled. It had a detachable nose cone (cockpit) should it get into difficultly, saving the pilot. According to Capt.Brown, an unmanned M-52 was slung under a de Havilland Mosquito flown from the Sicily Isles, when released it flew westwards over the Atlantic, telemetry showed it reached a top speed of Mach 1.3.🇬🇧 Mr Yeager can stick that in his pipe and smoke it.🇺🇸

[@DoktorBayerischeMotorenWerke]

The M.52 never existed... Britian did not invent the Horizontal Stabilator either... these are all examples of British revisionist fictional history.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

Never in history have the British talked so much about a plane that doesn't exist. The M.52 is a hoax! No such aircraft ever flew because the m.52 was never constructed and no completed plans were ever found. The M.52 is pure British science fiction fantasy..

[@brandonclark435]

Actually, the first use of all moving tail-plane was on French and German aircraft during WWI. And the US had an XP-36 that was testing the all moving tailplane in 43, we already knew it was necessary for supersonic flight. Chuck Yeager didn't have an all moving tail. He had a variable incidence tail surfaces, which were patented in France by a Bulgarian inventor named George Boginoff. He had control the aircraft with the aircrafts trim controls. As for the Nazis and their contribution to the US Space Program, look up what Robert Goddard did and compare it to Nazi rocketry, Goddard already did it. They did it better, but Goddard wasn't backed by the Nazi Party. Also, look up the Lockheed 133, a proposal for a supersonic fighter powered by an afterburning turbojet with an all moving canard. And Lockheed submitted the proposal to the US Army Air Corps in 1942. Sorry you America hateing Imperial British arseholes, America was just as forward thinking and innovative as you ever where. Keep longing for the glory days when your empire was oppressing people all over the globe. Unlike you, we kept our bullshit on our own soil instead of exporting it. And why the fuck did you fuckers sit in your trenches for 4 fucking years murdering yourselves with machineguns, artillery and poison gas and then complain that we Americans didn't show up sooner. Dude, we were fucking smart unlike you tea-addicted fucktards who think a bit of mustard gas is a jolly good thing!

[@agt155]

You sound like a balanced individual, a chip on both shoulders.

[@agt155]

"The contemporary American supersonic project, the Bell X-1, adapted its variable incidence tailplane into an all-moving tailplane (based on the Miles M.52 project data) and was operated successfully in 1947"....Miller, Jay. The X-Planes: X-1 to X-45

[@brandonclark435]

agt155 That is American hating BS. We already knew that we'd need increased elevator responsiveness. One of the experiments on the P-38 to correct its problems in high-speed dives was the addition of leading edge servo tabs.

[@agt155]

Brandon Clark Or is it just the truth? Ever wonder why the X1 looks so much like the Miles M52?

[@clowntrooper61]

Brandon Clark Funny that because the Americans had the conventional tailpiece rather than a movable one and the Brits had the first afterburner engine on the Miles.

[@clowntrooper61]

also u do know that america is in 15 trillion debt and ironicly owes the UK 459 billion dollars

[@MarcJboy]

yes the aterburner, the all flying tail and of course blown flaps - suppose it was austarlian or american - i don't think so gilliguts, get some knowledge pal, get some knowledge, not your own out of yourbackside.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

The afterburner is a German invention as is the jet engine. The horizontal stabilator is an American invention, first used on the Wright Flyer.