Miles Morales and Black Solidarity

[@Mannof1000Thoughts]

What did you think of the Black Solidarity aspect to Across the spiderverse? Do you think it’ll get expanded upon?

[@ATJScream]

Yes! I love how you said "a small thing with a huge impact" because its a series of small actions with huge impacts that usually end up changing the world and even if it doesn't change The World, this solidarity can change one person's World and that matters too. I really hope they build on this and just really appreciate this take because when we all went to see it (live in a predominantly black place) you could FEEL people ready to protest when we spent more than five minutes on gwen in the beginning. And of course she's important (I really love the theory thats she's trans), but I REALLY felt like Hobie and Spiderbyte made me less...upset? (I was like what is it? shocked but not surprised that it started with Gwen and it kinda smarted even though it was necessary to the story) by the end and it felt reflective of what we can really do to help each other anyways. Hobie planting the seeds, Spiderbyte making that split decision, feels like it runs the spectrum of ways black solidarity shows up in places where we don't have a lot of power but we use whatever we can in the moment to help one of our own. Been having a tough time re:racism/work/ableism/etc. so I really appreciate this and feel invigorated by the power of this story and am gonna go find more like them to take better care of myself instead of making myself feel worse for things I cannot control (see, there it is again: small actions--huge impact) Thank you and I hope you're well!

[@amazingedits6912]

@@ATJScreameven tho I feel like it’s a bit much to be actively mad at Gwen being given screen time, I do get the want for byte and punk to get some more screen time. I hope they’re given some good time to shine when the next one comes.

[@kingjoeblack5]

@@amazingedits6912 it’s kinda valid considering everything it takes to get the Black Spider-Man into existence. Gotta constantly write around the hate he gets from the fandom. Will certain markets accept a movie without a blond to balance the screen?

[@amazingedits6912]

@@kingjoeblack5 I mean, that makes sense. But what exact markets are we talking about. Because if it’s like white people who are racist then idk if Gwen helps Bc she’s a white girl who is into a black dude, which especially racist white dudes hate (racist women probably hate it as well but the dudes are more loud about it).

[@oh...hi.]

I’d be curious to know what you think about the writers being white. I wonder if they casted race in the script or left it to the director and animation team?

[@Montesama314]

Miles's mom pointing out that he's gonna go to places where people tell him he can't belong wasn't just an allusion to what it's like for some black folks, it was practically a meta commentary on the character.

[@milesmorales-intothespider9861]

I agree. And that talk Miles had with his mom also technically served as foreshadowing for the events that came to pass later in the movie.

[@Montesama314]

@@milesmorales-intothespider9861 What I like is that while Rio imparted the lesson, she never told him specifically what to do in response to opposition other than "don't let them make you feel that way." Some people respond by finding the common ground with the opposition (which includes usually picking on SOMEONE ELSE, an option Miles didn't have since there isn't another anomaly out there to hate), others do like Hobie and find a niche where they belong anyway, staying marginally within the rules but preparing for the crash, and then there are folks like Miles, who say "nope, none of this, I'm going my own way altogether." Miles doesn't just learn lessons, he crafts his own solutions when those lessons need to be applied. It's a sign of maturity beyond just obeying a parent.

[@rottensquid]

It's interesting, because the subtext "THIS IS ABOUT RACISM" is so loud and clear, but they never say it. If it'd been spelled out, some bad-faith arguers would have held it up as "woke propaganda," but those folks are complaining about the film anyway, and honestly, who cares what they have to say? So the question is, is it better to leave racism as the loud subtext, or actually bring it into the text? I suppose it's all what kind of story you're telling, or at least, what kind of story you want your audience to think you're telling. Like everything else, I think the choice this film made worked for the film. If they spelled it out, it would be explicitly a POC Spider-Man film. Leaving it subtext makes it simply a Spider-Man film, but the subtext makes Miles' specific life experience as POC a seamless part of Spider-Man.

[@XekTOr89]

woaaah so deeep lol

[@reflection6401]

@@XekTOr89yes. Because it’s not racism, it’s foreshadowing the plot💀 it has multiple meanings if you have a average attention span

[@Montesama314]

I would point out that Jessica Drew is also in a different generation than the young folks who teamed up with Miles. Jessica could represent older folks who are used to navigating the system and its flawed rules, vs the kids who still question them.

[@Ms.Divine2024]

Oh yes very true

[@rottensquid]

Yeah, legit. But she still knows the whole thing is hinky. She's just deeply conflicted, because she's been so invested for so long in Miguel's whole system. But that look on her face when she sees what's happening to Miles makes it clear she's fighting a Miles vs Miguel battle on the inside. It's a hell of a thing to realize the "side" you chose is in the wrong, especially when it clearly isn't a democracy, and the price of speaking out is to become its enemy.

[@chance757]

so true and i wouldn’t put her firmly on the opposite team either. she saw gwen’s portal very clearly at the end but made no effort to stop her. she’s definitely a “i won’t support you but i won’t stop you either” type.

[@Ms.Divine2024]

@@chance757 Very True

[@mochii813]

​@@rottensquidYou can tell she's conflicted about it through her facial expressions sometimes. Maybe her husband died in the few months she was in the spider society or something. She seemed more bubbly when she first appeared

[@Makiotio]

I started to wonder at how many times Hobie had probably had people be shocked he's black under his mask. How annoying that could be, and how tedious it could get. But Miles? Miles just made a comment on how cool he was.

[@rottensquid]

From a comic book artist's point of view, Hobie's character design out of the mask is definitely even cooler than the mask. Someone was like, "this dude should look, like, rock star sexy." But everything in these films is so on point, artistically. Not a weak link in it. If there's a flaw anywhere in the film, it's that it's just too much amazing.

[@hmilles]

to be fair who would be surprised by Hobie being black after hearing him talk?

[@waltercapa5265]

@@hmilles or his hair

[@laudj_art]

Honestly my only reaction would be "how the hell does his hair fit into the mask?!"

[@queenmoon9330]

⁠@@laudj_arthammer space lol

[@LooseAsADEUCE]

I love how much subtle cultural stuff is in this film. I've seen Hispanic viewers talk about Miles conversations with his mom and brown viewers point out stuff with Pav, and the Black solidarity was something I noticed immediately. Spider-Byte had a single barely flirtatious interaction with Miles and was willing to risk her position to help him and Hobie spent a total of like 15 minutes and put all his faith in him. Based off what Jess did for Gwen at the very end of Across I'm certain that she'll come to Miles' side as well in Beyond. It just goes to show that at the end of the day, we got each other backs.

[@Montesama314]

I remember specifically when Miles said "whatever" in response to his mom. I and other people in the audience reacted to that, "ooh!" It's one of those little things that really sold Miles's family's interactions.

[@kingjoeblack5]

Earth 42 Miles having a heavier Spanish accent because he didn’t grow up with his dad is peak character writing.

[@DJLawrence]

@@Montesama314 SHE HAD THAT NECK ROLL, TOO!

[@robind7042]

​@@Montesama314When I heard that "whatever" I started praying for him 😬

[@littleleah310]

Ig😂

[@TonyTylerDraws]

I love that that this was a very black and brown film without *being* a Hollywood Black and Brown Film. It was being marketed to Spider-Man fans, not *black* Spider-Man fans.

[@donathan2933]

Exactly. Race is just an afterthought, not the main selling point of the movie

[@joyc.e.7511]

Facts. I loved that so much. As a black girl who adores fantasy and sci-fi, and loves the fuck out of superhero stories, I'm always starving for black and brown MCs who's story isn't about being POC. That's partly why I liked The Owl House and Amphibia, Luz and Anne get to just BE. They're personalities are what matter more than anything else and their culture doesn't get erased either.

[@donathan2933]

@@joyc.e.7511 agreed

[@VirtuosoI]

Miguel barely sees Miles as Spiderman but demands he follows the continuity that other spidermen deal with. It was weird they were so harsh on him as if the events of his world matters like the other spidermen. His situation is unique and his world didn't die when he became Spider-Man so I immediately thought Miguel was full of it and should've let Miles save his dad. Miguel's logic was bad and just came off as him bashing the boy for things out of his control.

[@ronanjohnson979]

Great way to put it, he is a hypocrite

[@thembanitheone]

​​@@ronanjohnson979he's projecting that's why. The way this movie treated my 3rd favourite Spidey (behind Peter and Cindy) kinda sucked, but I do think people are easily casting him aside as a tyrannical fascist supercop too easily. Everyone is the way they are today for distinct reasons... and sometimes those same reasons are still as much of a danger to the current generation right now as they were to someone 20 or 30 years ago.

[@alittlegreyrobin]

Miguel's beliefs reminded me quite a bit of how some in the LGBTQ+ community behave. a community of already solitary people, some of whom become exclusionary when they try to come up with criteria about who is truly a part of the community and deserving of its support and protection. if you don't experience particular types of oppression for specific reasons (especially if it's something some people don't believe you were "born as"), you are to be excluded. and then of course, the issues that arise when other forms of bigotry are permitted in spaces that are supposed to be safe for those in the community.

[@thembanitheone]

@@alittlegreyrobin I see your wider point. But Spider Society is an awkward allegorical fit for such spaces. Their expressed goal was never to provide a supportive hub for Spider people... it was started by Miguel (secretly I think it's formation was Jess' idea but that's just my theory) to preserve a very rigid status quo multiversally and with Spider-canon. Actually that's its only purpose and that's seemingly why only Spiders that were pliable and easily conscripted to this ethos were chosen. When he says "you don't belong here, you never did" he's 100% right and it's actually kinda a compliment lowkey. There's no room for individualism or spiritual autonomy in that group Miguel knows that... that's why he's so miserable all the time.

[@AJaydedArtist]

God people's misreading of my favorite spiderman makes me sad....

[@onalisg5471]

i would like to just say that miles did have his major tragedy. his uncle dying was a lot for him. just because he wasn’t his main care takers doesn’t mean the loss doesn’t hurt as much

[@Fruit_Infiniti]

Agreed. Plus the og Spiderman from Miles’s universe was set up to be his mentor, and his death had a huge impact on Miles’s development as a Spiderman. I think that brings his tragedy count to two! So Miguel can chill.

[@onalisg5471]

@@Fruit_Infiniti yesss i agree i think people are diminishing what miles has encountered. and he’s so young!

[@DmDaPDm]

I think hobie found it much easier to help Miles when he saw him BE THAT GUY, saving the people of Mubahattan. Miles took control and saved everyone, even Gwen was straight up like you're amazing. You see Hobie tone towards Miles change and he shouts 'Man like Miles, My guy!" which is British slang for showing someone you really respect them and see them as your friend.

[@dragon_ninja_2186]

For Spider-Byte, we are given some more context in her introduction. She’s an avatar while her real body is back at home with a vr headset on. Probably likes to spend more time in the virtual world / away from home because her real life isn’t good. I think we can hear her parents? (or some people) arguing in the background. Miles states he can relate to a home life not being the best at the moment so they connect on that too.

[@lampoilropebombs0640]

Spider-Byte seems like a student too. And judging by the fact they support such advanced tech, it is basically ensured that they have universities. So...she could write on her extracurricular forms that she used to intern full-time to regulate the universe's safety using a cutting-edge machine across all universes in the Spider Society. No university will be able to resist that.

[@GaetorCreation]

I'm not black nor poc but miguel o'hara screaming that he was not supposed to be there that he was not spider man because he was not the "right" kind of spider man hit me so deeply I was about to cry in the theater and the lack of support from people who were supposed to hold your back not being there and feeling the loneliness from that was hard to watch i cannot wait for the next movie

[@eeg-rh7jv]

Miguel did nothing wrong

[@GaetorCreation]

@@eeg-rh7jv Miguel is beefing with 15 year old's

[@vickypedia1308]

​@@eeg-rh7jvyou don't need to defend his actions to be a Miguel simp

[@MiyaMam948]

@@vickypedia1308facts. Say it louder 🗣️

[@eeg-rh7jv]

@@GaetorCreation cuz he views them as a threat to the stability of the multiverse

[@sampds]

This was something I thought about what you said about Jessica. But- wouldn't the lack of help from Jessica's side be thanks to this idea of older generations that you need to have it rough? I’m not black, but my family is from latin america, and attitude I saw back then (including some black folks too,) was this idea that they had it rough, but that's just life, and the sooner you learn to live with it the better. I feel is not even malice, really; more like this idea that society (or canon in this case,) isn't malleable, and younger generations need to swallow the pill now because the more they resist, the most painful it is. While Hobie and Margo (mostly Hobie really,) come with this idea that things don't need to be this hard, that they can fight to have a better life. Wouldn't be surprised if someone else said this already, but those are my two cents!

[@Mannof1000Thoughts]

This actually is a pretty good interpretation for Jessica. We don’t see her doing much to help gwen even when she could do a smidge more to help out. A lot of that older generation can have that grin and bare it attitude. Not realizing that attitude is what keeps hardships in life going. So it’s not hard to believe Jessica has the same mindset.

[@suzygirl1843]

@@Mannof1000Thoughts White and black men hate black Jessica Drew and will think of anything to discredit her. That's what I gather. I tell black women to get out of America because it's not safe for them. Glad that BRICS is in Africa. China is offering more options

[@Ms.Divine2024]

Well kinda sorta maybe. The only reason why she was disappointed in Gwen's action to visit Miles anyway was because it was against (Gwen's)her protocol. She literally says,"If he finds out I can't help you." Indicating that she didn't have the power to do anything about Gwen's I guess bad action. Idk why people thought she was being "heartless or unsympathetic" when she was warning Gwen about the consequences of her own actions.

[@rottensquid]

Yeah, I think this is a really good take. It's definitely in there. The quality of the writing in this film is that all these subtextual elements fold in. The whole older generation idea that "you need to have it rough to become strong" feeds directly into Miguel's notion of canon events being fixed, inescapable necessities of being Spider-Man. They're the same idea, through a different lens.

[@samsprague3158]

@@Ms.Divine2024She says she can’t help, but we know that’s not true. What she means is she won’t be able to help without risking her position. In other words she was saying “I care more about being Miguel’s right hand than you or your problems.” One of the big themes of the films is that everyone has choices. Fighting for what you know is right, going your own way, is super difficult and scary, but it’s always an option.

[@DI-QueenmoEMino]

Seriously loved this level of commentary of Spiderverse that's deals with the more Black and POC perspectives of the movie messages. Especially that heartfelt speech by Miles mother Rio and how she said there's people out there who will try to make him feel like he's doesn't belong somewhere or how there's will be those out in life that will make him feel lesser and that he shouldn't let them tell him that he doesn't belongs, its something I think any black kid or Hell grown black adult can deeply relate to and knows how thats feel and should hear a lot more of. I knew Hobie was a real one from the very beginning and that he was obviously looking out for Miles' best interests, especially with the use his palms advice and Margo didn’t have to help him out but she did anyway with seeing how scared he looked and likely felt that she needed to help a brother out.

[@Still_theBaddest_561]

I love how subtle rio’s speech was.

[@DI-QueenmoEMino]

@@Still_theBaddest_561 Rio speech was one that I deeply feel a lot of black parents had with their kids on some level or another. Including my own, that there will be those in this world who think you shouldn't belong simply due to being black & that you shouldn't let them tell you otherwise. It's also setups what Miles will deal with later on with Spider- Society and Miguel.

[@Still_theBaddest_561]

@@DI-QueenmoEMino as a black kid Myself. I’ve had that talk many times.

[@DI-QueenmoEMino]

@Unknown_individual_561 So freaking true. This movie hits so well on so many different levels with its messages.

[@joyc.e.7511]

I felt that speech in my bones. Knowing the way my parents have been treated in university and the workplace because of the way they look and their accents (Nigerian immigrant family), has always made my blood boil. I'm lucky enough to have never experienced out right racism like that, but I know where they're coming from, why they always worry no matter how old me and my siblings are. They want us to get the respect we deserve and I love them for that.

[@rileyluver16]

So I can't lie. I'm not black, so the black solidarity aspect was not something I noticed when I watched this movie. But watching this essay makes me see how big an impact it was, has helped educate me on the topic, and given me a deeper perspective and love of the movie. I appreciate what you have done for the Spider community with your video, and I am going to take this perspective and knowledge with me into future movies.

[@alexslusher16]

"Consume Product, Don't Ask Questions, Get Excited For Next Product"

[@alexslusher16]

It ain't that deep

[@hypersonic4562]

​@@alexslusher16"everyone keeps telling me how my story is supposed to go, nah, ima do ma own thing"

[@lyricholmes1827]

I also felt like Jessica’s interactions with Gwen had a feminist narrative. Jessica is a woman looking out for another woman in a world dominated by men. Jessica covered for Gwen and was worried about her risking her position in the Spider Society for Miles, because even though helping Miles was the right thing to do it was still dangerous. Jessica is also older than Gwen - and might want to look out for her as a mentor. IMO Jessica’s power comes from being the right-hand of Miguel, her decisions and actions matter because Miguel allows them to matter and she’s wary of going against that even though you can see glimpses of her not fully agreeing with Miguel. But Gwen does say ‘fuck it’ at the end, because she wants to help her friend, she feels like it’s the right thing to do, and she won’t let fear dictate her life anymore. Jessica seems to me, like she’s still a little consumed by fear because of Miguel. But Gwen knows there might be another way of doing things, especially since her father decided to step down from being the Chief of Police. So she creates a group, a community of people who will band with her. I was also really glad the film didn’t set Hobie and Miles against each other as romantic rivals. Two young black guys having each other’s back makes more sense to me. Hobie doesn’t bow down to any establishment and he isn’t going to let the Spider Society fuck over someone just like him. Mrs Morales telling Miles not to let anyone make him feel like he doesn’t belong really spoke to how black people can feel like they don’t fit in, and are told to conform as well as foreshadowing Miles’ choosing his own path.

[@ciblur]

i see it

[@Snow-xd4rv]

Eh Gwen is not a woman, she is still a little girl. She's not even close to being a woman. She's around Miles age.

[@crazydragy4233]

@@Snow-xd4rv When do people become women? What is a woman according to you and what makes her so far from it? Youre pointing a finger at the silliest semantics yet. Girls are young women. Everyone here including you understands what was being talked about.

[@rosewoodstone7465]

@@Snow-xd4rv 2-3 years ain't that far.

[@ginnyledwell8923]

Yeah. Jessica's actions kind of remind me of a quote from Law and Order (I know, I know, it's copaganda at its finest but just hear me out). The situation is a female D.A. (who became a D.A. during a time when women becoming prosecutors was unheard of) is going after a woman who killed her husband. She's going after this woman HARD. But it's eventually revealed that the husband had been raping the woman every night for years. So the D.A. does an about-face and moves to get the woman probation instead of jail. When the woman asks why the D.A. did that, the D.A. simply responded, "I spent so long trying to be one of the boys that I forgot who I was fighting for." Which, honestly...kind of fits the Spider Society as a whole, now that I think about it. They've all become so enmeshed in the Society and its belief system that they're willing to sit back and let an innocent person die- which is the OPPOSITE of everything Spiderman supposedly stands for.

[@kurlykayla9013]

"acting on instinct" is the perfect way to describe what happened between Margo and Miles in that scene when she lets him go and is probably why it felt so profound. I still get chills when I rewatch that moment.

[@samsprague3158]

I honestly wasn’t sure what to t hink of Spiderbyte’s and her decision in the film. I was a little worried she was just a deus ex machina to give Miles his plot armor. But I think your read fits super well, even for a character we don’t know much about. What we do know about her is that she gets to participate in Spider society without physically being there. On one hand this gives her some layers of protection from Miguel’s influence. On the other hand, it severely limits her ability to make an impact on that world and all the others the Spiders get involved in. It would stand to reason she might have some pent up feelings of powerlessness around that. When Miles crosses her path as he does, I could totally see her not only seeing a scared and alone black boy who needs help, but a unique chance for her to make a significant move according to her own personal values in a way only she can. It’s a really powerful moment for an as yet minor character. Thanks for helping me see that! Great video!

[@DJLawrence]

Not just values, but I'm not sure if you (or others, due to lack of mention) noticed. She hinted that her parents fight... a lot. So this VR Spider Byte thing is a great escape for her. In her world, she's powerless to their arguing and then she seemingly only runs the "Go Home Machine". So then, there's someone who looks at her.. scared, powerless between Miguel breaking through and him on the edge of "going home". She had a little bit of power and chose to help someone.

[@technofilejr3401]

@@DJLawrence When she looked at Miles then didn’t press the abort button, I just said “Wakanda Forever!!”

[@starsartbar]

Love this commentary, this can be further read into Queer and BIPoC solidarity during civil rights movements with the way Gwen (and even miles tbh) has a lot of trans/queer allegory in the writing of these films, as well as the spider-society being a Very good Capitalism allegory with the youth choosing to rebel and upend it is some real solid politics for a series with so much insular copaganda. This film paints a character in a trans flag while she says everyone in her life can only know half of her, but Miles, he understands. One of the best films of all time FRFR

[@starsartbar]

and also how we can fail each other when faced with threat of loss of home and life if you rebel against the system (capitalism) Gwen was a homeless teenager and Hobie took her in and helped by being that big brother/ friend she needed. I love that even the small things in the story reflect that solidarity among disenfranchised youth or how when faced with such severe consequences we can fail to live by our values in moments of desperation as demonstrated by Gwen's entire arc in the film and how she engaged with the society. I cant wait to see where they go with this story in Beyond

[@cosmicspacething3474]

Not so sure about the trans Gwen theory but yeah

[@YashSharma-cg5vu]

Spider-Man isn’t as copaganda he hates cops n there’s versions of Spider-Man that beat on cops but yeah

[@WithoutFear804]

​@cosmicspacething3474 I mean even if you don't believe in the theory, It's very obviously an allegory and I think that's what they're saying. When miles came out to his mom it felt so weird and uncomfortable watching at least for me. Because it reminded me so much about how it felt coming out myself. You can definitely feel that with Gwen too

[@user-gk6nt5gi5n]

​​@@WithoutFear804thats because anyone cant take different meaning from any form of media. Doesn't mean its necessarily what the writers meant at the moment. Fir example the seen with miles is so distrubing because if the music choice ahd how it builds tension and a uncomfortable situation, which in your case links back to a important moment in ur life But ill say this for certain gwen and miles are 100% not trans but it is possible to see themes of similar struggles cause there is cross over

[@midnightjay]

Thank you for talking about this part of the film. I rarely see the meta commentary about Miles' story and how he's not just up against the spider society but irl with rabid racists denying him his identity as Spiderman. I like the idea of black solidarity throughout the film. The story as a whole challenges the concept, the canon events and everything. I feel the writers full on want this to be seen and talked about. Hobie and Spiderbyte were definitely looking out for Miles and it's an appreciated detail. I thinks Jessica Drew also says something about black people who stay in line too despite them knowing where they stand is not right for others like them. I hope they give her a chance to shine and come around come the third movie.

[@Ms.Divine2024]

Yep they will eventually

[@YumLemmingKebabs]

I get the feeling that Miguel was more than a little inspired by people's IRL reactions to Miles, and it's only become more relevant now that Insomniac's Spider-Man 2 came out and the "Anti-Woke" grifter brigade have caught his scent.

[@SolarSeaSlug]

I'm guyanese/peruvian and an anarchist and i am so so happy about the representation in these movies!! Its already rare for me to find afro-latinx rep and rarer to find positive anarchist rep, and i got all of that and more!! And it was also incredibly cool to see Indian folks talking about how much they connected with Pav. I especially always felt Rio's relationship with Miles in my soul "its my life, and your father's, and all your ancestors that put you here" it rlly resonated with me having been raised by my granparents who are immigrants, and then on top of that we get Hobie being an anarchist mot just for the meme or in the "lmao anarchy is chaos for the sake of chaos and bad an evil" type shit but genuinely an anarchist with the praxis to back up a well-developed ideology. Can't wait to see more in the next movie!!!

[@astrometries1944]

I immediately hit the like on this for the title and the promise (but watching the video now, it's phenomenal. Also your intro goes crazy.) Spiderverse is absolutely filled with black art. One of the things that charms so much about this movie is really more of the effect Spiderverse has on its audience. That's how I know it succeeded in talking to who it wants to talk to. After this movie dropped, I saw so many previously-niche black artists platformed, making their own spidersonas, drawing Miles and other characters, it was really such a great era in the art world. In the era of black artists existing in an increasingly anti-black art scene, (claims of "blackwashing," learning to draw dark skin and detail correctly so "to not get cancelled.") this movie was sorely needed. I can only imagine, considering this is the only the second movie what more of a platform there will be for its message and artistic inspiration. But when I go on Twitter or other social medias and see Spiderverse-related content, I see black artists drawing themselves as Spiderman, I see pure celebration of the identity messages in this movie, and most importantly, I see black artists looking into careers in animation and illustration. Again, as small as one movie is, that effect is still so existentially heartwarming. And it only grows from here. I hope it only does that.

[@milesmorales-intothespider9861]

Same, bro.

[@Ms.Divine2024]

Wow amazing

[@alexslusher16]

It ain't that deep

[@joyc.e.7511]

@@alexslusher16 It absolutely is. Inspiring people IS deep bro lol

[@alexslusher16]

@@joyc.e.7511 It ain't that deep

[@yairsense]

4:55 I have a little headcanon on why miles didn't glitch after the spider-bite, when he first talked to his Peter and their spider-sense activated you can see the colours around miles change from green and purple to red and blue, I think that was a way to show fate changing him from the prowler to the next Spiderman.

[@blackkitty369]

I do love that aspect of the movie! Just them helping Moles out of everyone spoke volumes to me. And Yes I do feel that Big bro vibe with Hobbie. I have older sisters and I can see us having a talk like that.

[@rottensquid]

Love this read. The whole meta-textual thing in this film, Miguel's attitude about Miles paralleling people's complaint Miles isn't the "real" Spider-Man was, for lack of a better word, amazing. And this layer is so significant, it'd be wrong to say I didn't notice it. I didn't think about it, but I think that's because it's just so natural it didn't need stating. You can feel it. Hobie and Spider-Bye both "get it" without needing to say a word. While Peter doesn't really get it, as he's caught up in his own mid-life rebirth experience. Jess Drew gets it, but she's so invested in Miguel's way, it's incredibly clear her better judgement is fighting against that wall of investment. And Gwen kinda gets it, but is just so broken down by this point, she doesn't have the will to fight. But that's what Spider-Man is all about, fighting past exhaustion, because people need you. On the subject of Hobie, his whole joke was that everyone assumed his anarchy was just a part of the theme costume. All his rebellion jokes came before we saw him unmasked. So by the time we see he's black, we've already drawn a conclusion that his antics are just for lols. If he were a white suburban punk out of Repo Man, just in it for the music, or to piss off the squares, that might have been the case. But it turns out Hobie was the first to realize how Miguel's operation was gonna do Miles dirty, and immediately takes action. That's when the real picture comes into focus. He's not rebellious because he's into punk, he's into punk to rebel against oppression. It's not his style, it's his substance. So he recognizes oppression, and the rhetoric that rationalizes it. And knows how to respond. Spider-Punk IS his response. Turns out, BLM is punk as fuck. I never thought of it that way before, was too busy just trying to piss off the squares.

[@thembanitheone]

I hated that the Sony crew decided to use my 3rd favourite all-time Spidey as the mouthpiece for the past almost-decade of Miles Morales hate. ATSV Miguel doesn't seem recognosable as Spider-Man 2099 to me. He's even "built" different, as this hulking Sabretooth and not a lean yet graceful regular sized guy.

[@bearberserker]

An interesting though as someone who is Black but lacking when it comes to my subculture. I always think about how people would help people but never thought of what factors affect people's decisions.

[@EddyA-sw5ox]

I think this was really great. I can definitely see the development in the relations between Hobie and Byte towards Miles and how they come to care for him in their own ways. I hope we get to see their development expand in the upcoming movie. Thanks for this video!

[@NyikoDoris]

Great analysis, I think even Jess was sort of on Miles' side at the very end when she sees the Spider-Punkish portal opening when Gwen arrives (or maybe leaves) Earth 1610 but chooses not to tell Miguel. A small moment but it happens nonetheless

[@Ms.Divine2024]

Yeah for some reason people barley talk about that.

[@NyikoDoris]

@@Ms.Divine2024 oh, I know the reason

[@Ms.Divine2024]

@@NyikoDoris Really Why?

[@Thechristianbolton1]

Miles Morales: Everybody’s telling me how my story is suppose to go, nah, Imma do my own thing. Couldn’t have related to him more than I do now.

[@MyNameBeeKayy]

The fact that he is a 15 yr old (one of the youngest to bit at 14, and maybe Spider-byte) and biracial Hispanic/Black, with two loving parents and a healthy family dynamic, kinda alludes to them finding out. Almost all teen heroes with parents end up having to "come out". Other spiders are usually older and/or family ties aren't as close. Its much easier for them to retain anonymity. Miles has more stacked against him and the way he's treated is relatable to almost any POC, and yet he has more than most spiders ever get to experience. Which doesnt justify his additional struggles, but gives him a stronger foundation to endure and overcome those challenges. The craziest thing about the plot is that his B Plot villian is Hispanic/Irish and a spider AND an anomaly, i think he's not subtly jealous that Miles is a natural spider and possibly better. Miguel is an unnatural anomaly, and possibly a Kingpin level criminal. He's just looking for a scapegoat. Horrible that its a young black man. I think this trilogy has a message for society bigger than the "friendly neighborhood spider" theme. Its super meta but we need this. PS. The cameo in ITSV with the "no returns no refunds" sign also signified "You have power and responsibility and you can't give this burden to someone else. This journey is specifically for you" type vibes. Thanks for this amazing content.

[@LightGlyphRasengan]

I have a feeling that hobie and Miguel are going to clash in the next film. Like in terms of ideology.

[@joyc.e.7511]

Oh, for sure. I wouldn't be against a physical fight too. Miguel needs to get punched by many people next movie, imho. Maybe it'll knock some sense into him.🤷‍♀

[@LightGlyphRasengan]

@@joyc.e.7511 it'd be sick for hobie to go all "you know what this guitar does? This machine smashes fascists!!" Pull a woody Guthrie quote or something similar

[@averyjohnson1680]

Idc if Mike’s and Gwen end up together at the end the only ending I’m hoping for is he just does what hobie suggested and build his own watch to visit his friends when he really wants to. ATSV should’ve taught him though that he doesn’t need to be around them to not feel so alone. I think that’s why earth 42 miles is so important. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a main character for the third one similar to Gwen in the second one. He’s a direct reflection of miles conflict with his situation and identity. It’s portrayed as the “evil” version in ATSV but I think it’ll be made pretty obvious that 42 Miles is closer to what Miles wanted to be. A hero with someone (uncle Arron) to share his experiences with but has enough trust in himself to know what he’s doing when necessary

[@m.a195]

FDSignifier and a few other black creators did a livestream right after the movie came out where they had an interesting conversation that touched on the solidarity of Spider Punk and Spider Byte. I was hoping they'd upload it somewhere, but I haven't seen it since.

[@jamman9569]

Nothing that creator does is significant. He's a bitter racist who literally whined about the BP movie having white characters who weren't assholes.

[@IronheartvsMiles]

@@jamman9569 cry about it racist

[@Hamantha]

5:03 if I had to throw my hat into the ring: it’s for the same reason there was a bit of Venom (the symbiot) in the MCU. Both that bit of Venom and that spider’s venom must’ve been created in the new universe it was in, this technically it ‘belonged’ 🤔

[@helgmelia84]

Thank you for talking about this. I sensed this theme in the movie, but didn’t really have the context to articulate what I was seeing. I just felt how unfair the Spider Society was being towards Miles and was happy when people helped him out, even in small ways. You’re doing a great job with your channel. Thank you for the quality video essays!

[@Nukanator10]

Loved that little jab at Spider-Man Lotus! 🤣

[@Mannof1000Thoughts]

Idk what you’re talking about 😏

[@Nukanator10]

@@Mannof1000Thoughts 🤣😂🤣😂 Never change, my brodi! ✨👍✨

[@suzygirl1843]

@@Mannof1000Thoughts Only in fiction. Not in real life because where was this solidarity for #Brickgate? Oh, if it's black women they don't deserve respect or protection from the black community.

[@amazingedits6912]

Tbh that jab is really true. Even as someone who doesn’t like how iffy/vague the mcu has been on whether or not mcu peter went through the same origin as tobey/andrew, gavin definitely did not need to do all this. It comes off way too melodramatic. I like drama in spidey movies, but in no way do I want them to be overtly depressing.

[@Sootielove]

The fact ATSV is pretty much a reaction and pushback against anyone who thinks Miles isn't deserving to be spiderman, Hobie and Margo being the ones to stand up for him is 100% intentional the same way black spiderman fans stood up for Miles when was introduced. In general, I appreciate how much thought and appreciation the film has for Miles' character and on a sweet note, I've worked with young kids in schools and the fact that they all love Miles and want to be him warms my heart.

[@Mannof1000Thoughts]

Very well said.

[@GiggyFortexFilms]

I am so glad FD posted about this video! It is so refreshing to see such an appreciation for the medium of animation specifically through video essays/film commentary!!!! I am very excited to watch more from you!!!!

[@juliawhitmore3991]

Excellent analysis on an excellent movie. I'm just thinking of the scene where Miles realizes the society is turning against him and in shots of his face, his original team is framed on one side of his body, and Hobie is almost always framed alone on the other side. Despite his friends being the ones that should have his back and despite Miles thinking of Hobie as a bit of an antagonistic figure, Hobie is the only one truly on Mile's side in that moment. Respect for Hobie, can't wait to see more of him in the next one.

[@nitzan3782]

I'm not Black, but Jessica very much seemed like a "within the system" type of woman to me. So it could be her trying to help from further behind the scenes than Spider-Byte and Spider-Punk.

[@coll3g3crissy]

I would say this movie is about Gwen realizing that she needs to stand up for what she believes in (this time being Miles), so yea, she does end up on Miles's side

[@amy_grace]

This is a footnote to a footnote, but I really don't think Hobie and Gwen were hooking up. Hobie's whole personality is in opposition to unfair power dynamics; it seems entirely out of character to take advantage of an effectively homeless girl who's depending on him for a place to crash. But she _has_ been crashing with him, and Hobie is very much rubbing that familiarity with Gwen in Miles's face when they first meet. And I think that's sort of a test: Hobie's making sure Miles isn't the kind of jerk who gets reflexively jealous about a non-romantic big-brother type of friend.

[@Mannof1000Thoughts]

I think most people know Hobie and Gwen never got together. It’s just a joke people make about it.

[@nyom6378]

I love spiderverse and the amount of commentary that it has. You can relate to this film in so many ways regardless of who you are, and that means a lot. I'm not a poc, but I'm latino and queer. And Miles' conversation with his mom as well as Gwen's speech and the loud nonconformity from Hobie just spoke a lot to me. And honestly it was awesome to see Hobie and SpyderByte helping Miles out. It might not have been fighting against the whole spider society, but they were two crucial things that basically let Miles get out and that was huge. I'm really eager to see the next film even if I have to wait 10 years.

[@bigmichael2765]

As a new viewer, the reverb on the narration makes me imagine you’re creating this essay in an ancient gothic chamber

[@Yanlapanel]

Oh my god, I’ve been speaking about this since the movie came out, I thought I was going crazy because no one else saw it 😭😭 was tempted to become a KZbinr just to talk about it and be heard

[@sapphiredragon7234]

Dropping a like and a comment. Superb analysis and love your sense of humour. So excited about this video because black solidarity is such an important theme in the movie. I especially like that race isn't constructed in a monolithic way in the film. Black identity is so complex and diverse and we get that in the representation of Miles, his parents, Aaron, Miles 42, Spiderbyte, Jess, Hobie. The representation of that diversity within the black community is so necessary. As a Caribbean black person i was so glad to even see elements of blackness in that light. The care that went into the character portrayals is in itself black solidarity. Even the djay covering for Miles when he's arguing with his parents to me is black solidarity. The art, the music. The presence of Guess Who's Back. Black solidarity is all over this movie. Shout out to Kemp Powers. Anyways I feel like I'm rambling, I really loved this video. I don't care what Miles is doing I'm clapping for him.

[@alexslusher16]

It ain't that deep

[@sapphiredragon7234]

@@alexslusher16 let people enjoy things ;)

[@alexslusher16]

@@sapphiredragon7234 "Consume Product, Don't Ask Questions, Get Excited For Next Product"

[@BethanyWaler]

@@alexslusher16 then why are you commenting

[@ericstahmer720]

You are 100% correct, but I just want to elaborate that the reason Gwen couldn’t help as much as she wanted to us because the threat of her being sent back to her dimension where Miguel KNEW she wasn’t wanted is ever-present for her. Miguel basically blackmailed her with exile and homelessness as a (allegorically queer) teenager

[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

Nah she's a manipulative snow bunny

[@ericstahmer720]

@@Mavuika_Gyaru I don’t think so at all. She loves miles, to the point of going to see him even when it risked her position in the Spider-Society. She was blackmailed with the threat of being sent home to a dimension where she has nothing to make her stay in line.

[@donathan2933]

@@Mavuika_Gyarumy nigga you either joking or you stupid 😂

[@donathan2933]

@@ericstahmer720dawg don’t waste your time. Some people refuse to understand Gwen’s character and will continue to hate on her

[@IronheartvsMiles]

We don't care about this manipulative white girl, but nice try.

[@virtuouzgirl8328]

I thought the same thing! I'm surprised people aren't talking about this aspect more, but I noticed it immediately. I love Hobie and Spider Byte, it was so heart-warming to see them come through for Miles when he was panicked and freaking out.

[@Kooljupiter]

I think all us black fokes def noticed the Solidarity! thuis first time im seeing a video about it though!

[@konahmeecode]

I've been waiting for someone to cover this after being so charmed by Miles and Hobie interact. It feels nice to see characters on screen that look like me and my family.

[@entrcpy]

My only note for Jessica is that she let Gwen go at the end. She could see the lights and looked just as disappointed as her and Peter B. when Gwen said they were supposed to be the good guys. I’m glad I stumbled upon this. Never mind the constant “you’re an anomaly, you’re not supposed to be here”s from Miguel, Mikes is just trying to do what’s right and figure out where he fits in. I haven’t thought much in plot for the next film, but I bet Prowler from 42 will have some of that too. He’s distinctly more Puerto Rican (accent wise), probably be cause his black father is dead. Either way, for whatever reason this movie has a lump in my throat from the jump. I think I just knew it was going to resonate with me somehow.

[@TranquilAshes]

I definitely want it more black perspective on the movie and I'm glad that you did it

[@Eclipse_Graphics]

I think the fact that the spider was glitching is the reason Miles has the extra abilities (invisibility, electricity control)

[@klickonthat5244]

Nah, those are just the powers that the spider gives him.

[@r4bbiit]

the spider was glitching cuz it wasn’t from his universe, those extra abilities are just addons and not related to the glitching ^_^

[@tic857]

Not only that but both Hobi and Spider Byte matched Mile's spidey sense frequency just like Gwen and the others from the first movie. And on top of that Miles builds rapport very quickly with most of the people he meets such as Pav who he only met for a few seconds before having to team up with him and Hobi with the 4 of them syncing up their fighting styles to help assist and amplify each others moves

[@MommyTheeStallion]

My boys have very few black or brown friends as military kids. I used Spiderman 2 to explain black solidarity so this video is life!!!

[@fungshui13]

This version of Hobie Brown (Spider punk) could be different than the OG Hobie Brown (The Prowler). But I think Hobie takes Miles's side because in the OG comics Hobie was the prowler. If its the same Hobie that would be cool. Something that stood out to me in ATSV was the fact Hobie admitted to catching the Live action Aaron Davis/The Prowler which we know is Miles uncle. It only makes sense that One prowler would know how to catch another. So I thought it was dope af that Hobie caught him. Which is why I feel Hobie helps Miles because he might know that Miles was at one point going to be the prowler then things changed when he got bit by the spider. In conclusion seeing that he (Hobie) was both a Prowler and a Spiderman he might feel he can be someone Miles really can relate too. Idk thats something I thought about. We might even get a connection of Hobie being the prowler at some point in the next movie.

[@leonmckoy7632]

Man you’re definitely getting a follow from me. Love the subject matter and the way you broke it down. As well as your choice I music (skullgirls man, phenomenal) and memes. And the whole channel is video essays about cartoon, I have a bit of binging to do. Keep doing what you’re doing man. I can see you’re a man of culture and fellow blend through and through.

[@roymwale1967]

Watched a video by schnee about Hodie and his video and yours I think perfectly encapsulate Hobie and black solidarity. He is in tandem working to dismantle autocracy and standing on black solidarity

[@dreye3215]

Bodily fluids are made from what you eat and drink, if the spider was in this universe for long enough, it's vemon would be made of this universe's matter.

[@thescrappyfilmmaker3350]

I asked the director of this film at a party, did he do the Black solidarity on purpose? He said you damn right. True story.

[@JayPalOfficial]

All these Boondocks references makes me wanna see that anime show again. It’s a really funny show. Hope they make another series or a full-length movie akin to Spider-Verse.

[@CommanderLexaa]

I'm not even black but I right away after the scene with Spiderbyte i just thought of the words ''Black Solidarity'' especially cus I'm mexican, lower class, not white enough or brown enough (my dad being native and my mom white AF) and it was very interesting to see that Miguel, being kinda white passing and a latino in power, was def the meanest to Miles, but they also portray latinos being a community with Jeff's party. I think its interesting that both of the antagonists of the movie are part of Miles' identity. I dont know where I am going w this but yea. Love what people are saying in your comments about Queer and BlPoC solidarity.

[@alexslusher16]

Ok Social Justice Weirdo

[@Twiztactix]

Miguel is not white passing at all y’all are mentally ill 😭

[@IronheartvsMiles]

Facts.

[@abstract5249]

Never seen this movie or its prequel. I'd like to change that one day because it looks good.

[@kagomodise4008]

Oh yuh that 20s intro beat is 🔥

[@rizikos_]

15:51 - 15:56 I feel like this can also apply to Miguel having a sad backstory (about his home life and stuff) and how it does not justify the way he acted during the movie and his terrible attitude towards Miles because people like to baby Miguel a lot despite everything he actually does on screen

[@Beelzebubbly]

I love your video! Miles made his debut right when my baby bro was born. He is Afro Latino, and I wanted to get him into super heroes so when the Spiderverse movies came out I was so excited to share them with him. A super hero that looks like him, and will have a similar walk of life as him. We love these movies and are just waiting on the 3rd one to come out with baited breath.

[@allym2787]

Thank you for this video. I love the Spiderverse movies, but I totally missed this dynamic b/c I'm white. I understood Hobbie and Spiderbyte's (sp?) motives on a much more superficial level. This aspect adds a really cool new depth to the story, and I love it. Thank you!

[@fitzofpassion]

I love the analysis! More content please! The one thing I would say about my girl Spider Byte, is that I don’t think it’s purely “instinct”, …, part of it, but not purely that. I think all spider people get indoctrinated to the Spider Society when they join with a primer on how the canon events can cause a collapse and how a person in the wrong universe can cause a glitch. That education would include learning about Miles and how he’s the “Original Aberration”. So, like Hobie, she would have secondhand knowledge of Miles going in. I think that Spider Byte, specifically, as the techy scientist that so closely studies the multiverse and probably helped design the stabilizing tech for the glitches (and collapses) would have more time than most to contemplate the conclusion that Miguel came to that the cruel canon events should be maintained rather than working together to stop both the tragedies and the collapses, like they did for Mumbathan. Miguel embodies that “this is how it’s always been”, and that “I went through hell so you have to too” sort of mentality of the older generation. Spider Byte dares to imagine a new world entirely.

[@gaysara]

God this movie was so good. Excellent insight. Glad FD sent me here

[@aamandaabearrx]

The way Miguel yelled at spiderbyte I woulda helped him fast af too cause that was out of pocket

[@selfunique8052]

This video is very well put together. I thought about this when I saw the film as well. It’s kind of weird too how I saw people literally downplaying SpiderByte choosing to help Miles, whether that be because they don’t understand that she’s the reason he escaped Miguel or whether it’s because Miles accidentally ended up on a different version of earth than intended. Either way, she could’ve let him stay there and Miguel could’ve got to him and possibly stopped him from going to save his dad. But she helped him, and so did Hobie. It can be hard to mention stuff like this or even make a movie like this because you never know how people will react to it. I remember when I first saw the trailer for Into the Spiderverse back in like 2017 or 2018 and the comments were so horrifying. I thought all the hate was replaced once they realized there were more Spidermen/women than just Miles, but I guess not. Nevertheless, only love and uplifting one another will combat that cruelty. ♥️

[@ashleyjohnson1129]

That point about Candice Owens in Khadija's video really bothered me in their video because it sounded like they were saying that skin color was more meaningful to them than ideology. The way you preface it really helps to understand why that is a natural reaction for BIPOC folks, even though it can be off-putting when that bias is unacknowledged and no grace appears given. Antiracism needs to win, or we're all f***ed.

[@YumLemmingKebabs]

BTW I'm pretty sure Khadija goes by They/Them. I don't have anything to add to your comment.

[@ashleyjohnson1129]

@@YumLemmingKebabsthank you! I changed it out of respect to them.

[@wwe682]

Yeah this aspect of the movie really had me thinking. Hobie Brown, a total stranger had Miles's back since the day they met

[@smileyp4535]

It's interesting what you're saying about spider bite, and death of the author and all that she may just have trusted him because he seems to believe what he's been saying and doesn't seem like a bad guy dispite what Miguel has been saying, him also being being black maybe not have tipped the scales per se but could have added to the decision certainly, especially after seeing everyone chasing him down like that

[@JorbyIsBad]

When it comes to glitching, my headcanon is that if you have moved through the multiverse via TECH, you will glitch. But if it is through magic/etc, you wont. Which is how spiderverse shares a multiverse with the movie spidermen, but the movie spiderman didn’t glitch in No Way Home 😌👌

[@ketomine.]

good point on the spider not glitching out and Miles not glitching out when bit, i’ve genuinely never realzied

[@NerdySwede]

I haven't thought about this, interesting! I have seen some people discuss the individualism vs collectivism in this movie and connecting it to poc vs white/western experiences which I think is similar in a way.

[@imnottheone3911]

I really need them to develop the relationships between Miles, Hobie and Margo next film. There's some serious potential for greatness there

[@2Ramako]

“I toned down my greatness” -yes you did. Great commentary. Going to rewatch tonight lol

[@imnottheone3911]

Also, they handled Miles and Hobie well in terms of the male characters...but I'm hoping they do right by Jessica and Margo. Explore Jess and her backstory more and go into her mindset of why she choose Miguel's side and why she'll eventually change sides like its strongly hinted at. As for Margo, she also has a interesting backstory and character concept, so I hope well get more of her in beyond. Develop her and her relationships with the spiders, esp Miles! I'd really hate it if she's only there to be used as ship fodder/love triangle bs to push gwiles 🙄 we don't need the disposable black girl to push the white one! But I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that they'll treat her that way The fandom is hella racist/misogynistic towards them so hopefully btsv will fix that

[@Zahria_Janel]

This is the first video of yours I'm watching and I'm subscribing from the intro alone. So good

[@ElJorro]

That is something I noticed in this movie bad had yet to put into words. Thanks!

[@samsprague3158]

I honestly wasn’t sure what to think of Spiderbyte’s and her decision in the film. I was a little worried she was just a deus ex machina to give Miles his plot armor. But I think your read fits super well, even for a character we don’t know much about. What we do know about her is that she gets to participate in Spider society without physically being there. On one hand this gives her some layers of protection from Miguel’s influence. On the other hand, it severely limits her ability to make an impact on that world and all the others the Spiders get involved in. It would stand to reason she might have some pent up feelings of powerlessness around that. When Miles crosses her path as he does, I could totally see her not only seeing a scared and alone black boy who needs help, but a unique chance for her to make a significant move according to her own personal values in a way only she can. It’s a really powerful moment for an as yet minor character. Thanks for helping me see that! Great video!

[@ZadnoleyaEdits]

So excited for this.

[@basilreid257]

One of the best insightful reviews yet there is so much to this film. I’m amazed how much people,e are getting out of this trilogy unlike sw

[@amazingedits6912]

I actually did see people talking about this on Twitter which was cool.

[@tevinhoward4419]

Miguel thought Miles disrupt the universe of earth 42 that is why he so mad at him of the blame during the society conflict

[@Sh3k.1n4h]

I had only watched 1 of your videos when I started getting into Lego monkie kid and I subscribed to your channel. This is the second video I've watched by you and I am in love. I love your content so much and the detail and effort you put into your craft! I'm going to watch so many of your videos after this♡♡♡♡

[@shirotokuro1675]

You have one of the most badass intros ever

[@lataejohnson1403]

I loved this video. I felt the same way but didn’t think to label it as Black Solidarity- which is the PERECT identifier.

[@jvmeel7454]

I'd imagine that the glitched spider venom might be responsible for the Venom Strike ability

[@blackjesus947]

Here's my explanation (that absolutely no one will see) about why the spider's venom doesn't glitch miles. I think it's for the same reason Mayday isn't glitching or Peter B. When the spider went into Miles' universe, it wasn't supposed to be there. The easiest way to get it out, is to break it down and remove it from reality. But, that spider happened to bite miles. It seems like whenever something not from a universe impacts another one, the universe is forced to adapt (take the entire mcu for example, including no way home)

[@sadikicaine4881]

5:06 i think the multiverse decided that "hey, a miles is a miles" and basically allowed for our mikes to not glitch. The spider was out of its universe, but its mission was still ro bite a "miles morales" and it did that

[@ryanpayne4401]

The Spider Society is the biggest meta-commentary of the corner of the fandom who say Miles isn’t “my Spiderman” & their constant Double down on that statement. Not to mention the “canon event” is another meta commentary for their logic behind denying Miles the title of Spiderman

[@Bliss-l1t]

The only ones I heard use this term was Yaboyroshi so I am glad to get a whole video on it cause it felt real

[@davidalily6]

I always thought since the spider that bit Miles was from another dimension, it bitting him would make him immune to glitching whenever he goes to another dimension. That's what i would have done and that would have added more to the reason why Miguel views Miles as an Abnormally. Because his DNA is a mixture of two different dimensions.

[@viviv6774]

I got some questions. I’ve always loved the idea of community/ similarity (idk) solidarity. Like between women, black people, Jewish people,… that’s something I really appreciate to see and look for but also… I have not experienced it as much as I wished I did as a woman and a Jewish person. Or more like it comes more from understanding each others in discussions and dialogues than in between altercation. But I’ve seen vids of black people literally going against entire groups for other black people even when if the person wasn’t sure about the situation. What I don’t get is 1. Is it specific to a place ? Like specific to black American culture and common history the same as Jewish helping each others in certain situations I’ve seen, or is it a universal thing ? It doesn’t seem that way though because where I live (French) I see it in a far less passionate and loyal version as the one in America. That feeling of belonging and sticking together. 2. Is it specific something that is really systemic like, you see a black person you’re gonna side with them and get to understand later or is it more like… an understanding of each other’s feelings and common history. Like you could do the some to any other person that has similar history background even if they are not from the black community ? Like Latin american, Asian, women,… to simplify is this kind of honour code is exclusive to the black community or does it extend to any person of similar values ? 3. For this movie, is black solidarity only visible in the movie through the lenses of that code of honour in between black people or is it more like an understanding in between people of feeling like an outsider, attacked by an establishment/ group, misunderstood and just being who you are and being mistreated because of choices ? Because I thought Peter felt it too, and Gwen too. And when spider byte saw Miles and helped him out I also felt it too. I’m not black so maybe I can’t understand it. But that feeling of “being looked like you’re not a part of us and will never be but I’m still smiling to you because I have to” is something I felt a whole part of my life. So the story of Miles resonated with me a lot. Please don’t see my wondering as ill intended on my side. I’m genuinely asking you this because for me if Miles worked so well as a story is because it’s also something that a few people can understand. And I always wondered what has always been so different between us people for us to see each others as threats. I don’t get that and I dislike it so much. But I also fear that it’s just thinking on one perspective only. Anyway that was a thought sharing I had while finishing the video. ^^ can’t wait for next movie !

[@capiest]

really perceptive analysis of spiderverse

[@Me-zl3ef]

I just found this video, but changed the movie for me in another subtext. Wow

[@KevinMcLean]

Just so you know I actively don't watch video essays on Spiderman and societal impact for most heroes because they usually talk about the same "unnoticed trait" or "deeper meaning to a character's stare". Essentially they all look like try-hards attempting to find something deep. Maybe they feel genuine about what they say, but what do I know 🤷🏿. It's just not my thing. But I actually watched your video because it talks about something I haven't seen in any other video essay. And I like how you aren't making it super deep and philosophical. You're telling it how it is. And there is totally black solidarity. Nice. (Btw, maybe there are other video essays that talk about this, but this is just my experience. I'm totally aware my opinion comes from my bubble of a perspective).

[@ronniefazzio6979]

When the Spider was taken from Earth 42 it was looking like it was about to bite the Miles Morales of Earth 42. So while the spider itself was glitching while on Earth 1610 it did still bite Miles Morales but a different one. So that might be why our Miles isn’t constantly glitching out.