Across the Spider-Verse - Better Than The First?

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[@TheMultiverseofSpidey]

The Spider-Verse franchise is proof that we are not tired of superhero movies, we are tired of bad superhero movies.

[@mfrebel7831]

Damn right

[@thomasffrench3639]

I would say we are tired of mid superhero movies. Mid movies are way more exhausting than bad ones

[@mapledemon5601]

this is just one of the comments on the gotg 3 video slightly reworded

[@dizdawgjr34]

@@thomasffrench3639 the bad ones can at least be made fun of and be funny because of how bad they are

[@thomasffrench3639]

@@dizdawgjr34 I still find bad movies super boring, but it does feel like I get something out of it for it’s lack of good quality. Mid movies are a weird middle ground.

[@translader6843]

When the worst thing is about the film is that the film ends you know it must be a bloody great film

[@ChrisShafferOfficial]

Okay

[@KFP_Fanboy]

true

[@ryanguy5452]

Yup

[@InsertFunnyThingHere]

Holy bot

[@Wrilen_Speedy_Webb]

The movie is a 2 part special, Is everyone blind. The trailer said it was 2 parts

[@reynXIII]

Dude, I love the aesthetic of Gwen's universe, how it's constantly changing colors based on the characters' feelings is such a nice touch

[@rayanna7188]

Yes finally someone mentions the color changes! It's so cool & such a nice touch

[@dr.cheeze5382]

@@rayanna7188 It's damn cool, every universe has it's own artstyle, i mean yeah that was made clear in the original too, but man did they crank it up to 11 in this one

[@Cdr2002]

Absolutely agreed, and as someone who fully subscribes to the trans reading of the character all the pinks whites and blues make me happy

[@darshansooful9559]

⁠@@Cdr2002as someone who didn’t really notice all the trans stuff all the pinks whites and blues also make me happy

[@Cdr2002]

@@darshansooful9559 that’s cool

[@peachii3124]

i honestly liked the quick humor a lot. it felt more like the way people make jokes in real life, as opposed to the dialogue feeling like it was "designed" to be in a movie. edit: echoing the replies- the audio mixing was definitely unfortunate in this regard, hopefully it won't be an issue once this movie hits streaming 😔

[@ernestmendoza4469]

i agree. if only i could actually hear it and it was mixed properly

[@dustinmartin6524]

@@ernestmendoza4469Yeah it was mixed wrong, it has since been fixed. Apparently was a Cinema issue not an issue with the film. Saw it a few hours ago, didn’t miss a line 👍

[@airbenderdogs]

@@dustinmartin6524I saw the movie yesterday and I was wondering if it was just a problem with my theatre!

[@mackielunkey2205]

*cough* MCU movies *cough*

[@butterman6075]

@@dustinmartin6524Same, I saw it yesterday and I didn’t have any problems with the dialogue being too quiet

[@crimsoneclipse0618]

I really love that Hobie's animation is not only inspired by Fanzines, but also that it keeps changing because he doesn't believe in consistency.

[@Sky-nq9pw]

ALSO THAT DAMN OUTFIT! DUDE IS PUNK AND THEY DID NOT SUGARCOAT IT!

[@i.d.9754]

He doesn't believe in consistency so hard that he affected his universe

[@fishpastethe4th340]

What's with all the bots here?

[@kellymacias7340]

He's animated on 3rds

[@Darvoth]

@@ChrisShafferOfficial piece of crap not pretending to be schaffrillas to make him look like a pedo

[@allenandcay]

My brother mentioned this in the theatre but I thought it was cool how they made the other miles say his name in a more Spanish accent to show that he grew up without his dad so he's more influenced by his mom.

[@leeanna1297]

Ohh I noticed this detail but I didnt think of the reason 😮😮

[@RenardioMFG]

I noticed that too

[@stardusttodust25]

I never noticed that since I watched the Spanish dub! That's so interesting!

[@thanatosxmesiah]

isn't it just 4 month difference with mc miles? feels like it's too short to influence someone changing his accent

[@tommysonlineVT]

The other Miles was voiced by a completely different person, Jharrel Jerome. He's actually Dominican and is more fluent in Spanish than Shameik Moore, who had to learn Spanish for his role! It's a super cool detail and I think casting another person to voice Prowler Miles was an important (and good) decision.

[@Lilac_Lotus]

I love how well Miguel as a villain represents the fundamental flaw of the Spider Society’s doctrine: that Spider-People are defined by their trauma and that their trauma is essential. Miguel is completely defined by his trauma: everything he now does is rigidly defined by the trauma he suffered. And it makes sense that this would allow him to command the respect of the other Spider-People who have almost all suffered some trauma of their own.

[@joshuawilliams947]

I’m convinced that canon events as Miguel aren’t even real and it’s another comment on audiences fixation on canon that’s portrayed through Miguel, like audiences rejection of Miles as Spider-Man. For example, neither Earth-42 or Miles’s universes were destroyed by his supposed anomaly and Pavitr’s canon event was only caused by the Spot, who is supposed to be an anomaly caused by Miles. I think that Miguel is just overwhelmed by guilt for what happened to his family and has burdened that on all of spider society, the moral being that everyone is different, there is no set path in life that defines you or that you or anyone else can control

[@mackielunkey2205]

And if you read the comics or look up his history, Miguel trying to give his trauma meaning is more understandable when you realize that his father was abusive. Stuff like that can really fuck somebody up to the point of trying rationalize it, so it makes sense that Miguel would try to make people do that too.

[@nismamusthafa4547]

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[@user-fn2mx6dd5k]

​@@joshuawilliams947l read a comment that said that after miles becoming spider man the universe forced him into canon events with a captain and so on And spot causing pavitr's canon event is coincidental as it just has to be a friendly captian being crushed while saving a kid unrelated by who caused it It's still bullshit that so many spiders decided to sacrifice people instead of saving everyone That is not the spider way

[@wandersonoliveira263]

Spider-man 2099 being defined by his trauma sounds SOOOO 90's (which it is) and being so makes me giggle.

[@hityawiththepunktactics]

When the movie ended the way it did my entire theatre erupted in absolute vocal chaos, no one wanted it to end

[@twotruckslyrics]

SAMEE !! 😭 it felt like i got hit by a brick when the ending music came on

[@B00mt00b]

The melting watercolors in the back of Gwen's emotional turmoil is such a perfect visual representation of the moment.

[@vedwalker3974]

Thank you! It feels like no one is talking about. It was the most beautiful world in the movie, the most fun being Mumbattan.

[@twinbruisesonmyshins]

i loooooved that scene so much

[@ExaltedUriel]

All the scenes in Gwen's universe were so visually amazing, it was like watching an art film. Not what you'd expect from something with a big ol "MARVEL" sticker on it, lol. And I'm all for it

[@optillian4182]

The splash of warm colors when she hugged her dad was a nice touch.

[@jiovek]

i’m glad i’m not the only one who noticed that

[@Nube-Gamer]

Is it weird to say Spot was a really good twist villain. Sure he was a villain to begin with, but I’m sure many of us did not expect him to be this OP

[@ARCHIVED9610]

yesssss

[@Wortwort-Spooderbat]

I honestly did expect him to become this powerful with the kind of powers he has he just had to master them was all it was

[@h2o848]

bro just had to think with portals frfr

[@ph2ph2]

@@Wortwort-Spooderbat exactly. His abilities were always overpowered since the start, its just that he didnt worked on how to use it properly

[@MrDrewwills]

I remember being in the theatre thinking "Man, it's weird to spend so long on a throw away villain." Convinced he only existed to tie up Miles to show the divide growing between Miles and his parents.

[@Theotheronez]

Unfortunately, the creators for the movie have been saying that some theaters have been using the wrong audio mixes of the movie since the correctly mixed version is one of six different versions they gave to theaters and that's why some parts of it are difficult to hear. This will likely be fixed once the movie is released for video and streaming but it's mostly the fault of the theaters not using the right channels instead of there being a problem with the movie itself.

[@shirshobanerjee7751]

I was lucky and when saw it the audio was just fine, except for hobie pre-face reveal

[@cherryromance3245]

​@@shirshobanerjee7751I had the same exact problem

[@grootyoda7759]

I got the perfect mix, so I was confused until I saw this comment!

[@rayanna7188]

That's good that they're fixing it! I watched this movie in the movie theater & some of the parts in the movie were pretty hard to hear. Especially Hobie's speaking parts

[@Fnaffan777]

One of the things I really like about the film is that it begins in Gwen’s universe paralleling how the first movie began in Miles’ universe, this and other hints throughout the film connecting them. Miles said it best, “we’re the same”.

[@Dairunt1]

This was a very smart choice because it gave the movie a bit of closure; Gwen went through a full character arc, with her identity and her relationship with her father, while Miles' arc is still to be done.

[@mackielunkey2205]

In the important ways, obviously!

[@Aflay1]

This was the longest animated film and it had me feeling like "Where's the rest of it?!" By the end. That's good stuff.

[@feIon]

yeah i couldve sat through another 2 hours if necessary

[@zainab_hashmiii]

the only thing i hated was that the plot only started in the last 30 mins omg 😭like i was so invested AND THEN IT ENDED ON A CLIFFHANGER??!?! like ik they could have finished it off w/o a cliffhanger but nope they decided to cram in miles' home life.

[@TheFifthJack9709]

@@zainab_hashmiii it was already decided to be a two parter like a year ago, we already knew it would end on a cliffhanger. Doesn't make me wish for the second part any less rn

[@Aflay1]

@@zainab_hashmiii They did something similar in Spiderman Homecoming, and I kind of get it, but like...I agree with you. Too much of Miles and Gwen's home life, but also, I related to them so much throughout it all. I loved the slice of life, but there was SO much of it. Left me kinda wanting more action, like, even the action felt really laid back, as if they had fewer ideas for plot and way more ideas for corny jokes, which is fine, but I mean, come on. I guess the point was to juxtapose how immature they are. Even the adults were either out of their depth, which was hilarious, or far too diabolical for their own good, which felt mean spirited. It left me wanting more answers, more characters who actually knew what they were doing. We didn't get more of that til the middle. There is too much setup in this movie to satisfy me completely, but I'm fine with it. I'm fine with being a little unsatisfied, so long as the third part is everything we are promised and more, so long as this sequel is only so saturated in filler to give the animators and writers a chance to breath, which is weird to say considering this movie was actually kind of perfect. Animation-wise, character-wise, this movie went above and beyond. I can forgive them for shoehorning us a bit. It's still well worth the money. It's just...I dunno. A lot of my friends love the slice of life stuff, but some of my friends didn't, and I understand.

[@ArianeM-gk2vp]

​@@zainab_hashmiii yeah i totally agree, I honestly think it being a 2 parter is just a cash grab or something, because the movie was sick but the pacing wasn't the best. one of the examples of this is that it took a whole hour JUST for miles to travel through the multiverse. This movie was definitely good though, and like how schafrillas said it did show a lot about Gwen and Miles' life. Still was a good movie and I'm excited for the second one, i just don't think that it really needed to be a 2 parter and some things could have been taken out.

[@asaknight321]

Shoutout to Hobie the spider-punk. They could've just made him the typical jerk or rival or that cringey love triangle trope but nope he's a really great guy. Supportive, fun, unique, and even when miles gets trapped with everyone arguing Hobie is the only one to go "Hey, remember that trick I showed you" and he didn't chase after miles.

[@liamday453]

i remember as he was introduced trying to dislike him because i thought hed put into that love traingle-ish rival type role and he was nothing but amazing the whole time and eventually i warmed up to him but hes one of the biggest reasons i want to see it again so i can fully appreciate everything about him from his introduction

[@ed_cmntonly]

Hobie my bro also literally bails out of the Spider Society once he gives Miles the trick to be freed; actual badass, hope he gets more screen time in Beyond the Spiderverse

[@marcosdheleno]

@@ed_cmntonly and he bails out because he disagree with what they are doing to him.

[@JoshityJosh]

Hobie is a homie

[@SerenityOceania]

Hobie's gay in canon. he ain't stealing Gwen from Miles, he stealing Miles from Gwen 😂😂

[@danielpedro8081]

Spider-Punk at some point literally mentions that he hates consistency, which is perfectly reflected in his animation style, as he’s the only character that changes art style from frame to frame (apart from the background in Gwen’s universe)

[@anzeigefehler6495]

that´s not artstyle change, only color change (in gwens universe)

[@MiserableMidnight]

The dialogue overlapping was something that highly impressed me, especially during moments meant to be humorous, because that’s how people actually talk. You don’t always wait for someone to finish a sentence before beginning your own. It felt so natural and fun to see characters do this.

[@Dark-uj2jq]

Miles' long talk with his mom made me tear up a little tbh. It was just so sweet.

[@indiesunflowers]

I kept waiting for her to see his spiderman costume, bc she kept fiddling with his jacket & shirt the entire time lol!

[@anemwinters3519]

I cried a lot during that scene, it just got to me, I wish I had a good relationship with my mom..

[@valevary3087]

It was really heartfelt to me because my mom never fail to tell me how much she loves me…

[@LaZPavony]

that was honestly the best dialogue in the whole film

[@angelo6522]

almost cried that was rough

[@Zeddyboi86]

I really liked the parent/child humor between Miles and his parents. Some of the funniest and most relatable jokes in the whole movie.

[@AgeOf3ra]

Maybe lay off the kid’s a- -

[@fantasyrealm5960]

"Well maybe if you got off the kid's ass🙄"

[@kijanajenkins2546]

​@@fantasyrealm5960 "Why did you create that guy"? 😂

[@carelessdreamer]

“They’re sending particles across dimensions!” “That sounds like a wonderful fake job.”

[@fishkid1177]

"ese no es my fault!!!"

[@zeal8111]

Jason Schwartzman as The Spot was PERFECT casting. Jason’s characters in movies (most notably gideon from scott pilgrim) are always nerdish and snarky, but here in across the spiderverse, it felt so natural. He perfectly portrays the alchemax nerdy lab worker and later when the spot becomes a massive threat, his line delivery is top notch. Especially when he lets out his emotional turmoil.

[@andrewsigler7437]

I understand wanting more of The Spot because of how good he was when he was on screen, but I think having Miguel take over as the primary antagonist of the film was a a very purposeful and meaningful decision. Even though Miles didn't want to accept it at first, The Spot is his nemesis. And not just that, he was always destined to be Miles' nemesis. Yes, it's natural for Miles to want to focus his efforts on stopping him, but after learning more about the multiverse, he keeps himself from doing so. This is because he learns about the meta nature of all Spider-mens' fate. Certain people are always supposed to die, and certain villains are supposed to be fought with to the bitter end. But Miles refused to accept that that's the way things need to be. Continuing to engage with The Spot would only be playing into the hand of Destiny. Miguel isn't supposed to be rejected by Miles. He's a good guy, and so are all of the other Spider-men who listen to him. Refusing, rebelling against and fighting off all of them is Miles' only real way to combat destiny itself. And I believe that's what the theme of the movie is at its core. That love and humanity have value that can surpass seemingly infallible algorithms and data-based utilitarian solutions. It's about finding another way even when all logic and reason seems to tell you that there is none.

[@GordonFreemanFN]

Never thought they would manage to make a song sound more terrifying than the prowler's theme but here we are with Spot Holes 2

[@ARCHIVED9610]

yeaaah i got chills from it 😅

[@Vee-naner]

MY FUCKING CHILLS RN??? this sounds straight out of little nightmares

[@TheRealSoftR]

Maybe not more/as terrifying, but Miguel’s theme is just as if not more MENACING. Like holy shit

[@StevenJones851]

Miguel's theme was menacing too

[@pinxerata]

To me the most impressive musical moment was whenever they would incorporate Miguel’s theme into dramatic tracks to make his presence and ideology stand out, similarly to how they played with the Prowler’s theme but FAR more impressive imo

[@forestelforesto2897]

Starting with Gwen is so genius. Set the emotional stakes and really dig into her perspective. The colors in her world are also so gorgeous. Breathtaking

[@cantaloupegodling352]

Honestly, Across the Spiderverse was her film more than it was Miles'. It starts with her and ends when her emotional arc is concluded.

[@Crazy_Diamond_75]

@@cantaloupegodling352 I mean, soooort of. But Miles and his family had so much growth together. They really did feel like co-protagonists to me.

[@silver9wolf6]

I loved how we got more of her but it still felt like a duo led movie, I didn't feel like either overshadowed the other which was really nice :)

[@demifolk8940]

Not just that but she also makes this film feel complete on its own. Sure, we got left with a HUGE cliffhanger but theres some satisfaction in the plot because Gwen makes up with her dad and has real development. This was her film, youre right. Its interesting because her character develops and Miles character actually regresses. Hes been betrayed hurt, he’s desperate, scared, and lost. Gwen literally makes this movie. Genius writing from the team to make this movie so much more of an amazing experience. Im so glad they decided to split the movie in 2 parts

[@forestelforesto2897]

That’s a great point that Gwen’s arc adds a component of completion to the narrative. She and her father reconcile, tying up that thread, but the fact that her father did not stay captain and thus did not have to die spurs her on to save Miles and in turn, his father as well.

[@BeanEaterExtraordinaire]

The art style they use on Captain Stacey and Gwen when they’re talking in their apartment is so powerful to me. The use of big blocky colors and the hard edges to the characters is beautiful. This is the first movie I’ve seen since I was a kid that left me in awe

[@jmrsdn6907]

I like Peter B’s story because, he got his happy ending with MJ and Mayday, so he feels torn between protecting his happy ending (the timeline) and his Spider-Friend Miles. Again, this is something that could be enhanced by the part 2, we really don’t know

[@JG-pt3xe]

Can we just talk about how beautiful Gwen's dimension looked? The watercolor-esque painted backgrounds and the way they sometimes seeped into the characters gave it this dreamlike aesthetic, and I loved how it was used during Gwen's talk with her dad.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

Her universe's artstyle was meant to look like her comic book issues from it's VERY similar visual aesthetics! If you look at her comics, you will instantly be able to tell!

[@matjinn9469]

the ending shot where she looks into her dimensions new york after getting kicked out of the spider corps was absolutely stunning, especially with the beautiful music playing in the background

[@platpeters1975]

gwen is trans, the colors in her universe are the trans flag.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@TheGlassesPro and EXACTLY also, trans people don’t own anything here with those colors as Gwen has been having those colors in her comic for over a decade and no one would EVER associate her with “tRaNs” in the slightest, it’s just people seeing things that aren’t there at all here.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@platpeters1975 And it’s pretty pathetic and just plain said that your first comment on this channel is to spread misinformation garbage like this as NOTHING about Gwen is “tRaNs” AT ALL in ANY way, it’s all in your head that you’ve been badly believing here as you are. It’s just sick and just plain disgusting as Gwen is 100% female as she even gets married to miles and has biological kids with Miles. Something trans people can NEVER do, so stop spreading nonsense here as you are as it’s clear you don’t know what you’re talking about at all here.

[@sillynapalm]

Once Beyond the Spider-Verse comes out, I know for a fact rewatching the Spider-Verse Trilogy will be a yearly thing for me. Just an absolute masterpiece of animation and storytelling.

[@SirJ-qq3ye]

What about spiderverse tv show :( noone talks about that

[@DaVickster1078]

?

[@kevinleedenman]

YUP. Ill add it to the LOTR rewatch tradition

[@howellbeman4157]

@@SirJ-qq3ye hope they do something like that

[@YogurtAlly2422]

Same here

[@xxthr0wnshadexx]

7:02 ‘Some random loser who doesn’t matter’💀

[@lasercraft32]

You can tell this movie is amazing because even though its really long, I was so invested in the story that I was honestly surprised when it ended "so soon." I knew it was a cliff hanger ending, but somehow I still didn't expect the cliff hanger.... and this also means that the story will be even LONGER when the next part comes out!

[@PlayerOne.StartGame]

Spider-Punk alone took the animators 3 years to animate. This movie is truly revolutionary. As Nick said, the first movie was a demo for what the animation team could do. This movie is what happens when you let that same animation team actually go off. And not just that. Everything in this movie is cranked up to 12. So much effort has been put into this movie, there’s so many Easter eggs in the background. The onomatopoeia in the Mumbattan dimension IS IN HINDI. HOW MUCH MORE COULD YOU WISH FOR IN A MOVIE.

[@GeraldEatsSoup]

I wish Mumbattan was real 😢

[@minkusaurus]

here we have the traffic

[@tuankietle2845]

​@@GeraldEatsSoup at least the traffic is real

[@siberiasian]

how are they going to release beyond in only 9 months 😭

[@peterparker9954]

​@@tuankietle2845doesn't LA have choking traffic ?

[@Hi-cm1cj]

Earth-42's Miles looked so dead inside when he revealed himself to Earth-1610's Miles. Losing his father in his universe must've done a number on him.

[@royaltinman2226]

So much so that he joined his uncle and became the next prowler

[@moonchild977]

I honestly think they’re not actual bad guys (?) maybe anti heros at most. when you live in a crazy universe ruled by the sinister 6 with no spider man, you do what you gotta do lol. there was just something about the way that Miles seemed to be hiding that doesn’t strike me as necessary in that kind of world

[@michaelstrong5383]

@Sara Yeah, I can see Prowler Miles becoming more of an anti-hero than villain. If you listen closely at the end, you can hear J. Jonah Jameson on the news mentioning something about the "Sinister Six Cartel." Maybe they are the real villains in that universe.

[@Alacaelum]

@@moonchild977 You are onto something, the OG Prowler did start as a tech based thief, but after a few bouts with Spidey he turned around his life, truth be told... with the exception of Miles' mythos Prowler, the character is pretty much a hero and a good friend of Peter.

[@unityedits3722]

I’m wondering if we’ll get to see him meet/save 1610 Jefferson Morales in the next one

[@delmarethehybrid9307]

I personally found myself liking the 2nd movie more than the 1st, but that's because I love it when stories get past the introductory phase, and we really get into the meat of the story 😁

[@_dorkee_doodlez_]

I’m so glad someone mentioned the dialogue problem! I thought it was just my auditory processing disorder, but it turns out others are having the same problem hearing what the characters are saying in some scenes 😭😭 I honestly could not hear a word Hobie was saying in his intro and it made me sad

[@crimsoneclipse0618]

God, Spot is an amazing villain. Went from Villain of the Week to a Cosmic Terror.

[@michaelstrong5383]

If you told kid me that the Spot would become a major threat in a Spider-Man movie, I'd call you crazy, but they managed to make it work.

[@SoldierDelta]

Do love me the Joe Schmo to Eldritch Horror pipeline of character writing. One of my favourite villain archetypes.

[@mfrebel7831]

Love that Miles is getting an actual interesting villan for himself

[@osmanyousif7849]

Jason Schwartzman was such a surprising choice to play him too. Dude somehow manages to create so much humor and unhinged behavior into this guy that I don't know who's idea it was to cast him. But good heavens was it a good choice.

[@onepresence9460]

Spot is now one of my favorite Spider-Man villains ever thanks to this movie.

[@wemskek3053]

Actually, the movie’s audio was only ‘quiet’ because movie theatres played the audio at a lower volume than the producers intended

[@ethanbuttimer6438]

Nah u gotta admit the balance was shit at times

[@dyain590]

​@ethanbuttimer6438 no, a technical audio setting wasn't right in most of the theaters that played the movie. there's been a few articles about it. when it comes to streaming services it should be fine

[@darthtroller]

I watched it twice, the first time they played it at the good volume

[@ActiveFire533]

the studio just sent out new sound mixes for theatres to play. i think it was an editing mistake.

[@ch3rrily]

@@ethanbuttimer6438 not for me tho, even with my audhd my eyes were GLUED to the screen and i got/understood everything...but maybe that's just me ToT i do have heard of some audio problems in different cinemas around the world

[@fionafield8139]

On the note of “dialogue is too quiet”, it was designed to be played at a specific noise level, and for some reason, some places didn’t do that. At the right level the dialogue and action was more balanced

[@koelee]

I was pretty sad that Peter B didn't have a bigger role in this film since he qas my favourite character from Into the Spiderverse. That being said though, it wasn't all too bad since he was the Deutragonist of the first film, so its nice that they were able to give more focus to Gwen this time around. It was also really wholesome to see him get his happy ending since he really earned it after last film. I just wish that his conversation with Miles and how he saw him as his own son was a bit more fleshed out. It made me really sad to see him behaving so passively while Miles was being grilled by Miguel since he was Miles' mentor. Hopefully next film we get to see more of him and Mayday; it'd be nice to maybe see him stand up to Miguel in defense of Miles. It'd be really cool to see him fight as well, maybe against Ben, being his broody clone and all.

[@Cdr2002]

I definitely get where you’re coming from but for me after decade upon decade of Peter Parker being the focus character in Spider-Man stories, I will accept the minor sacrifice of a version of him I like getting a bit less to do in exchange for Miles getting to be at the forefront as I feel he more than deserves

[@MoonWielder]

Miguel was a fantastic antagonist. Even though he went against Miles, he still had understandable motives and seeing him in action was just crazy.

[@cloudshines812]

Miguel wasn’t even an antagonist… he was just very similar to Strange in NWH and that even though these were the canon fates… they had to happen for the sake of the multiverse. It was just that the rash teenage Spider Man wanted to change that even though they couldn’t

[@bonesmx8562]

​@@cloudshines812 An antagonist is just someone who opposes the protagonist (thus the name) they don't have to have malicious intentions to be antagonists, if they did we'd call 'em a villain

[@i.d.9754]

Miguel is definitely someone I can't wait to see be more expanded upon in Beyond

[@dajokahbaby1506]

I feel like a lot of Miguel’s character was kinda scrubbed, so he can be more of a antagonist to Miles. It’s funny that he calls Miles the original anomaly when he is literally the most different Spider-Man in terms of his origins, his powers, his character traits, etc. In fact, he’s more different to Peter or the “canon” than Miles is. I don’t think he even has a “Captain Stacy” moment in the comics lol.

[@mackielunkey2205]

@@bonesmx8562What I love about Miguel is that in some ways, he’s right that you shouldn’t change some events drastically, but with the Gwen storyline, it’s shown that you CAN change events through smaller events (like Gwen revealing herself as Spider-Woman and making her dad quit the police force).

[@daamazingfireman5566]

I don’t see nearly enough people talking about Medieval Vulture. Just saying, he was, in my personal opinion, the best-animated part of the entire movie. The way he interacted with the Spiders was mesmerizing, and I would absolutely watch a movie where it’s animated in his style.

[@weverage]

When I first saw that, I thought I am really going to enjoy this movie

[@roderickrobinson1375]

Seeing all the math equations around him every time he used one of his gadgets was so cool

[@liamday453]

personally i was probably more awed by the backgrounds and everything in the scenes with gwen and her dad later in the movie but yeah the da Vinci vulture was animated gorgeously

[@yo_itskevin8169]

@@roderickrobinson1375 I thought I was the only one who thought that was awesome. Watching him actively create his gadgets was sick!

[@NEOET]

Opening the movie with him was such a smart move. I could see that fight go on forever

[@partypoison8476]

The biggest plot twist of the movie is that it ended in a cliffhanger. No wonder why I didnt encounter any spoilers about the ending

[@sorio99]

I don’t know if Spot vanishing is really that bad. For one, most of the conflict with Miguel centers AROUND the conflict with Spot; Spot is the one who’s going to kill Jeff, after all, and it isn’t until basically the end of the fight that his other motivations are brought up. For two, it feels similar to the conflict between Gwen and her father for me; yes, it’s put on the back burner for a large portion, but it’s still there in the back of your mind, like a ticking time bomb waiting to blow up.

[@Dookieman1975]

Apparently the reason the spot was missing for like an hour was because he was bullying every other villain. There were deleted scenes where the spot was mocked by villains and then the post credit scene was gonna have him solo all of them, explaining where he was for an hour Edit: it was also in a bar and would probably be accused of ripping off HISHE when it’s more of a homage

[@hecrosegreat3943]

Oh My god. I need yo SEE that. I need yo SEE spot just going ham on other spiderman villains

[@mothbum5580]

Perhaps we shall see him kicking ass next year.

[@mackielunkey2205]

There was actually a snippet in Miguel's lair where you could see footage of The Spot on one of his screens, and the reason why the post-credit scene was cut was because it felt ill-fitting with the cliffhanger.

[@a-drewg1716]

My only complaint about the movie was that it ended. I somehow missed the notice that it was going to be a two-parter and I was so invested into the story that by the end I didn't even realize 2 hours has crossed. Hell I thought we were only halfway through by that point (technically correct) so I was getting so excited for the finale and then suddenly gut punch "to be continued"

[@ARCHIVED9610]

LITERALLY me saw it with my dad and brother, god it hurt walking outta that theater knowing i couldnt see more! we were all chatting on the ride home and it kept coming up lol

[@aper765]

SAME LMAO

[@sweetdashie7221]

Oh my god mood, I knew as little as possible about the movie as I could but around the 2 hour Mark I realized "Hey wait a second this is an animated movie why does it feel this long?" and at the end the music built up more than once and anytime it did I was BEGGING to not cliffhang AND THEN IT DID WHEN I STARTED TO THINK IT WOULDN'T END One guy behind me said "Well now I feel robbed" and god that was such mood

[@Aflay1]

It made me happy. The next movie is gonna start with the climax to this one. How insane is the third movie going to be? Usually when a climax happens, the movie ends. But not with this one. It's the beginning now. That makes me so happy.

[@PurpleTheColour]

Bruh same here, I felt so blue balled

[@TheBaguetteLV]

That scene with The Vulture in the beginning was better than a lot of full movies. They did excellently with every single fight scene in this movie!

[@twotruckslyrics]

the NOTES on screen had me 😭

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

Absolutely loved the fight in the Guggenheim. It had excellent fight choreography, the jokes were actually funny, Miguel's introduction was fantastic and his rapport with Gwen was my favorite in the entire movie. I loved the clash between "Overly serious, wants-to-be-in-charge" Miguel vs Gwen's good natured quipping, I loved how they got on the same wavelength with the helicopter rescue and how Miguel eventually realized that "Wait, actually she's really competent." And the scene right after with her dad UGH. And how Gwen managed to cut Miguel emotionally by saying "I don't know how to fix this" and he has a rare moment of kindness by taking her with him and Jess. The end of that scene vs the part where Miguel forces her back home is a fantastic representation of exactly how far gone he was.

[@maplechei]

2:25 WAIT A DAMN MINUTE BEYOND THE SPIDERVERSE RELEASES ON MY BIRTHDAY OMG

[@maplechei]

nvm this aged badly I was so excited 😭

[@waspywasp451]

As soon as Gwen started recalling with her progressively more intense drumming I thought to myself "This move is going to be incredible"

[@hassassinator8858]

That entire intro got me sold on the movie. Had a big ass smile plastered on my face.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

The movie is a MASTERPIECE of a film! Just like the first one is! Two masterpieces, back to back!

[@finnvost9349]

The first 15 minutes allons made me decide it was film of the year, the rest of the movie only serving to reinforce the decision

[@frewtlewps1152]

I think it was a Whiplash reference. That was a great scene.

[@hassassinator8858]

@@frewtlewps1152 YOOO that would be cool if true

[@ItsAMiiCurrenOfficial]

The fact they included a lego universe, and that Phil Lord and Chris Miller worked on the Lego Movie was amazing.

[@rachelmorgan7565]

and a 14 year old fan animated it👏🏻

[@C-Farsene_5]

Beep Boop

[@pyro_real2007]

Best scene

[@theforbiddensauce]

i wonder why they had miguel call lego peter just for them to make him completely vanish from the film

[@slishslash9202]

@@theforbiddensauce I honestly expect him in beyond the spiderverse, he's one of their best.

[@JUNE-px4zl]

I’m glad the dialogue issue got mentioned! Felt exactly the same, especially with a full audience. I blamed myself since I’m not a native speaker and felt very frustrated for a moment. Also couldn’t really read lips because of the skip frame effect and their masks lol

[@EverettJohnson-gu3tu]

It is a comic book movie. The richness of the story and yet being incomplete is similar to a graphic novel.

[@Nintenguin]

The art styles are just incredible. I especially love when Gwen is talking to her dad later in the movie and the art style changes every change in scene.

[@kagenotatsumaki]

It happened in the Intro too. I want a whole Spider Gwen movie like that honestly. Lol

[@alenor210]

The colors change every shot, but the art style remains the same in that scene

[@FlutterSwag]

@@kagenotatsumaki imagine what this team could do with a venom movie!

[@catnoirlover1719]

Damn i bet i had whatdoyoucalledit the thing which i can't handle that too much colour Especially Gwen's dimension and Pavitr

[@rosswilson8917]

The animation looked rushed an incomplete.

[@m1nouz384]

4:48 I’d also like to point out that not only was this a really cool/cute bit, but it was also animated by a 14 YEAR OLD. I think it was insanely cool of them to have this kid animate in a movie this huge. It’s honestly one of my favorite parts of the entire movie.

[@thedonner7746]

REALLY? That is so great. Every day i find yet another awesome fact about the movie jfc

[@m1nouz384]

@@thedonner7746 Yeah! The kid originally had animated the trailer for the movie on his KZbin channel. Someone saw it and they asked him to animate the Lego scene!

[@Phillip-wt4dz]

Holy shit, that kid deserves the bag

[@mythicaldragon4354]

They better pay him well for that

[@austinhernandez2716]

​@@m1nouz384 I thought it was a girl

[@es0516]

This movie absolutely SMASHED my expectations. I agree with a lot of what you said, and no you are not alone about not being able to hear or understand Hobbie, it was practically impossible make out what he was saying most of the time and I found that frustrating. He's such a dope character WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND HIM.

[@ladypangaea4801]

I just saw the movie last night (as I write this), and I'll tell you what, I was smiling ear to ear as I was walking out of the cinema. My mind was so blown, that as soon as I composed myself, my mind blew up again: it was THAT good!! What they did with The Spot was amazing, at one point I had the compulsion to draw a doodle of him and did so once I got my hands on my sketchbook later on. Hopefully, when I have time, I can turn that doodle into proper fan art. :D

[@ARCHIVED9610]

same!! same!! he’s so easy to sketch my notebook was fillllled with doodles

[@y2klove581]

My jaw was slammed into the floor when they revealed that miles was in the wrong universe maybe I’m easily impressed 😭

[@hassassinator8858]

Nahh the execution was impeccable. The slow burn with the gradual reveals and the amazing music... just awesome.

[@y2klove581]

@@hassassinator8858 when it was switching back and forth between miles and Gwen… insane for that

[@screameureka7029]

nah it was fr so smart because everyone picked up on it at different times. i felt so smart when i saw the jordans on the prowler and realized it was miles

[@glitchyguru6468]

what did it for me was seeing that camera pan to miles' dad's memorial

[@kujakubes241]

@@glitchyguru6468once I saw Aaron alive, I knew immediately

[@zachrobinson8357]

Honestly the humor was one of the best parts for me. The chaotic quipping was very fun to listen to for me. Reminded me of how my friends and I joke over each other all the time.

[@ernestmendoza4469]

i agree. i just wish I could've actually heard what they were saying. i saw it twice and realized i missed so much dialogue the first time because i wasn't straining to hear the dialogue. such an unfortunate technicql problem with an otherwise perfect movie

[@Nat-ls1uo]

I was fucking giggling a few times throughout the movie, I think people need the dialogue to slow down a bit or subs.

[@BATMADZ_]

@@ernestmendoza4469maybe that’s why I was one of the few people laughing in my theater. My sister literally had to turn around to ask me what some characters were saying 😭😭

[@badbunnyky]

yeah while i think the audio mixing could have helped, i did think it had a more realistic vibe to the way jokes land w friends. i felt that way abt all of their interactions- they felt organic and not so staged.

[@mackielunkey2205]

It feels so realistic, that’s one of the absolute best things about the Spider-Verse series.

[@heartz_2st4r]

I honestly have barely no complains for this movie, it’s just a pure masterpiece of a movie. 1. I actually really enjoyed the humor. I like the humor in the first one slightly better but still, the one in this one is still so good, far better than most movies. It feels very human but still manages to be funny and not embarrassing. I always phrase those scenes and even though it was rushed, I feel like it just gave more room for the deep action moments. 2. The whole not being able to listen to some dialogues I completely blame on the audio mixing in theaters. It has been said that indeed there was a mistake and I believe they fixed it. But ngl, even with the error I could still listen to most lines, and even if I didn’t, it didn’t really feel like I missed anything. In fact, I find it fun to see the movie and find smth new over and over again, for example in my rewatched I catches the “well that’s his jacket emo” and it made the joke even better for me. 3. The lack of the spot I *think* is prob bc maybe we will get much more of him in BTSV. Even though he is the villain, I kinda liked how he was more of the base of the story, he was the reason why problems like Miguel happened, he is the reason why they go on an adventure and Miles finds out abt everything

[@jamesmejia2955]

I thought the jokes were great tbh, they went by fast but that made it feel more natural, it adds to its rewatchability too. Also I think Peter was pretty important to this film as well since he adds to Miles feeling abandoned and alone. IMO this film needs to be seen as one half of a whole and I feel like you are evaluating it as a whole itself. So far I love both into the spiderverse and across the spiderverse, I think it’s a crescendo building up and I love how it’s built up

[@StealthySceptile]

About the audio balancing, two versions of the movie were sent out to theaters: One where the dialogue and music volumes are well balanced, and another where the music obscures some of the dialogue because the dialogue only plays through speakers at the back of the theater. This seeming mistake on Sony’s part may be why Schaff was able to connect with the humor better on a 2nd viewing, he may have watched the version with the better audio balancing.

[@alexangeloorozco1610]

I heard that some theaters had it at the wrong volume too. Fortunately, my experience was good.

[@pizzahutkidman8806]

How do they mess that up? Was that a last minute change that they didn't fully manage to fix for all the prints?

[@samhbricks3353]

Makes sense. I didn't have a problem with hearing the dialogue.

[@thegoldenmolar]

yea. i had a hard time hearing the dialogue, especially hobie’s dialogue. i kept an ear out but still, i could not figure out what he was saying for a good bit of his screen time

[@orangexlightning]

This happened to me too! I thought it was an issue with the theater I was in.

[@zacharygate9842]

I realized when Miles and his Peter first met, the colors around him were green and purple, the same colors as the Prowler, because he was supposed to be the Prowler of his dimension. Then the green and purple transitions to red and blue. They've been planning this since day 1.

[@Shadow_Noceda]

Also the spider that bite Miles in the first movie had glitch effects like the Spidermen when they are in another universe, cool foreshadowing

[@zacharygate9842]

@@Shadow_Noceda I've always known it was from another universe, but I never expected it to be sent to Earth 1610 the exact time it was supposed to bite Miles of Earth 42.

[@fatuousinnovatorofsadness4640]

Not totally, like Gwen’s backstory is different in the first movie, it’s a different location entirely.

[@zacharygate9842]

@@fatuousinnovatorofsadness4640 That specifically is an easy mistake, but the Prowler colors were definitely intentional. Why not use other colors instead of green and purple?

[@taylorkitz]

@@zacharygate9842i always assumed it was because his spider sense was shifting from noticing the threat of the green goblin (the green) and the prowler (the purple) to peter parker. idk it really could be either!

[@Heeheehoohoohaahaa]

I feel like the fastness of the jokes adds to the comedy. Since they were hidden in the dialogue, they’re harder to spot and you have to pay attention to understand them.

[@BeckettDennis]

I love how the spot started out as the dude miles hit with a bagel in the first movie, and now he’s basically the main antagonist

[@callumhemmings5215]

I loved the little hints of miles in the wrong universe from the screen quickly showing Earth 42 to Miles' mum having green eyes instead of brown

[@willmanabregu]

The first one was on screen for more than a second. The second one, sir, you have a real love for detail 👍

[@ThatGuyRNA]

Oh i just noticed that for miles the sky was green and for Gwen the sky was blue

[@kkb_7267]

She (and then Aaron later) ask him "what's up with your hair?"

[@mauz791]

Same. I completely missed the Earth-42 references, but her eyes were different. Like Hitchcock's bomb under the table idea. Wonderful thrill

[@pokaay3163]

when I was watching him traverse it I was like “wow brooklyn sure got a lot greener since he was last here” and had the inkling it felt different, sure enough it was. that cutting between gwen and miles was so clever to mask it until it was revealed.

[@coxnathan06]

My favorite part about this movie low key is the fact that they used the bagel guy as the spot

[@gammafrost]

That was so funny 🤣🤣🤣 when he started detailing his story just to get cut off

[@barnacleboi2595]

Yea honestly The Spot was awesome. I really thought he would be the villain of the week, but he turned out to be pretty terrifying once he really got into his powers. He pretty much became god of reality, and that god of reality is angry at Miles. Shit is scary.

[@williammidgley3905]

As a British person, I loved all the anti British jokes

[@bimonsmeen1687]

im surprised he didn't mention how funny it is that the spot's origin story is getting hit my that bagel in the first movie

[@ChoiousProdous]

I genuinely thought Spot was just a wedge between Miles and his parents in the first scene. God was I wrong

[@BrawlChallenge-ry1km]

extremely wrong

[@onepresence9460]

I thought that too. And subverted our expectation in the best way possible.

[@gonkdroid852]

@@onepresence9460 FOR REAL

[@royaltinman2226]

Yeah, they really nailed that Villain that no one takes seriously to an actual multiversal threat

[@LordLucario12]

I ABSOLUTELY did not expect for them to make The Spot one of the best cbm villains I've seen in AGES

[@froggyfun1830]

Personally, I felt the lack of Spot was an important narrative choice as the whole point was they did not consider him as much of a threat as Miguel. The movie itself undermines him like the characters do until he comes back and he’s suddenly VERY much a problem. I think he will definitely get his time in Beyond the Spiderverse with Miguel as a secondary antagonist.

[@cabnbeeschurgr6440]

The dude went from robbing an atm to becoming a severe multiversal threat in like less than 2 days

[@razzyromeo]

​@@cabnbeeschurgr6440ikr

[@Jacksiloution]

This is what I'm saying, he isint the main villain of this movie but overall he is

[@hamclamcamp]

@@Jacksiloution but he literally is the main villain

[@Lucky_9705]

The Spot will be the bigger concern and the primary villain of Beyond the Spiderverse. Across the Spiderverse is just the appetizer to his schemes.

[@m00dyalien]

I literally loved how the audio was mixed, it sounded realistic and you hear something different each time. I saw it six times in theaters and IMO it's the best movie I've ever seen in my life.

[@tylerdrechsel8840]

Sony did come out and say that the audio for this movie wasn't the best after several people complained about it. The recently fixed it and the audio is much more higher in quality. That may have been the reason you couldn't make out much of the dialogue.

[@Aluminumsfoil]

I’d give it a 10/10 exclusively because Miguel’s theme is absolute ear candy

[@cabnbeeschurgr6440]

The whole soundtrack, honestly. Spot's theme is one of the most disturbing pieces of music I've heard in a while.

[@juicyknuts9181]

And so is he, 100/10 masterpiece🤌

[@hentaigustav92]

The entire soundtrack is just amazing. Miguel's theme, Annihilate, Pavitr's theme, just everything is sooo good

[@me-myself-i787]

And Another Dimension is also a great song.

[@robbierootbeer8056]

Hobies theme goes soooo hard dude

[@seanslaysean7097]

I really hope they don’t pull a twist and make Miguel “evil”, I like him as an antagonist who genuinely is trying to do good. I feel bad for him, he’s isolated in his duty and has a lot of pressure and grief on his shoulders, it’d definitely push people to the limit. Also, the success of the animation in this film BETTER issue a second golden age of hyper-stylized artwork

[@bonecag3]

Same, I really like Miguel as a character and I hope he gets a good ending. I’d love to see how he interacts with Miles when he’s not chasing him down lol

[@sentientmustache8360]

The only truly evil thing i can see him doing is trying to kill Jefferson to save Miles’ universe

[@nisayjuliusvincents.9860]

​@@sentientmustache8360 I thought about a theory and this might be dumb, but maybe Jeff's death is not a canon event and can be prevented without causing an anomaly. Because in the original Spider-Man comics and in the TASM the Captain who died is a father of Spider-Man's girlfriend, and the Police Captain who Miles saved in Mumbattan is the father of Pavitr's love interest. What if since Jeff is not a father of Miles's love interest, Jeff's death does not count as a canon event. There's a pattern there, their death is not because of being a Police Captain, it's about being a father to a love interest.

[@nisayjuliusvincents.9860]

Captain Stacy's death is pivotal because Spider-Man was hated by Gwen after that in the comics and it taught him a lesson to always keep her safe, and if the Police Captain of Mumbattan died, then that would've probably also taught Pavitr something. But in the case of Miles? Jeff's death wouldn't teach him anything that he didn't already know.

[@peachii3124]

i highly doubt they'll do that to miguel. they seem to know how to keep evil characters evil, and good characters good. they easily could've made kingpin a redemtion villain in the first movie, given his backstory, but instead they stayed true to his character as a pure-evil villain. i'm sure they'll keep miguel the same treatment, keeping him as a hero at heart.

[@CantaloupeWater]

7:00 “At some random los-“ *The bagel effect*

[@thewingedunicorn5065]

9:36 I am PRAYING this ages well.

[@CMGThePerson]

Can I just talk about how Amazingly cast Jason Schwartzman was as The Spot? Between this and Gideon Graves he's really mastered the art of playing pathetic yet menacing villains

[@maryhannah8391]

For real though. I spent the first half of his part laughing and thinking "how pathetic" to having my heart stop and be genuinely terrified. That's in part to both the animation and his acting.

[@AsmrAficianado]

I also thought he played his role as Jesper in the movie Klaus very well.

[@Marzi29]

I think he was great! However, for me him and Miles sounded too similar. In a couple of the fight scenes I struggled to figure out which of them was actually speaking. Especially since The Spot doesn't have a mouth and Miles has his mask on, so there's no mouth movement... and since it's a fight, they're not usually focusing on the speaker but the whole fight. I don't know if this is just a me problem since I do have some audio processing issues (and I'm not American so I can't tell accents apart if they do have different accents?) but yeah. The voice acting was excellent though!

[@FlyingFocs]

His "I'm gonna take everything from you, like you took everything from me" is genuinely menacing. And I think it works BECAUSE it's softer instead of big and booming.

[@chelscara]

His voice was getting to me the whole movie and when I looked him up afterwards I screamed

[@user-tk9jo8iw8i]

I personally like how fast the dialogue was going. It gives me a reason to go back and analyze the hell out of it.

[@ghostmemeboi]

its not about how fast it was. the speed was good but the sound mixing was terrible and kaluhas lines especially couldve done with retakes as they were mumbled

[@wolv470]

⁠​⁠@@ghostmemeboi that could because each theater was specifically requested by the creators to have their volume at seven, some theaters didn’t do this, and made the audio a less than enjoyable experience. Look it up.

[@b_delta9725]

​@@wolv470 Yup, I saw the movie dubbed in spanish and there were problems with the volume, as at first the sound was really low, then they got it too high and they clearly changed some setting because the high pitches in the music were destroying everyone's ears, but when they got it right, the dialogue was crystal clear, despite the speakers not being the best quality either. Once its released digitally I bet everyone will be able to hear the dialogue correctly.

[@fishkid1177]

_Yeah, i'm on my fourth rewatch and it delights me how many jokes and details i missed the first time and i see now. I don't know how I missed it, but my favorite line from the movie is "hypothesis: i'm going to stick my head in this hole"_

[@johnbutt5156]

Adds to the rewatchability as well

[@sweetiedropsesteam3438]

Fun fact: in russian dub the film is called The Universe Web (or whatever Miles called it I don’t remember). They heard Miles saying that and went “damn he’s right that’s fire”

[@soysaucestudios3863]

Yo, I could not freaking handle this movie, I am such an animation simp that I randomly pop off on a 5 second animation on KZbin that looks really good, so with this, a 2 hour and 20 minute film of pure incredible, breathtaking, and incredible animation (I can not describe this in words), with absolutely incredible humor, emotional moments, and just absolutely amazing art styles, I freaking lost my mind, I could not holds still, I was freaking vibrating man, it took me 17 days to get Spider-Man out of my mind.

[@soysaucestudios3863]

Wowza that’s a long one

[@dAWhiteBAG]

It's also worth mentioning that the LEGO sequence was animated by a 14-year-old. Very impressive!

[@tuneunleashed]

No way!!! Is it that kid that made the Lego version of the Trailer?!!!

[@hideandpride1891]

​@@tuneunleashedyup. LegoMetheOG is his KZbin name.

[@RickyDicky123]

Honestly I loved the part when miles is running and Gwen webbed him with a hurt look on her face and he just snapped the web, I don’t see very many movies where the main character gets betrayed by the love interest and doesn’t just immediately forgive her so this was satisfying

[@hyperstargaming6150]

Miles was hurt BADLY by Gwen, as well as Peter B. it’s satisfying to see him make some sensible, human decisions in this film while keeping with what makes spider-man, spider-man, even when he’s the only once acting like it. Peter’s betrayal is definitely bad, but Gwen’s is across the whole film of lies and half-truths to Miles, and Miles becoming fed up and giving up on her is so satisfying. I loved Gwen’s character arc and character development in this film too, it made it easy to not hate her, despite the bullshit. She grew and eventually came to the Spider-Man decision over “the book” decision. Man, this movie’s story and character dynamics have SO MUCH to gush about, oh my fucking GOD.

[@chameleon25]

@@hyperstargaming6150 I agree that Gwen was so compelling. Peter B Parker got on my nerves tho haha.

[@LadyAstarionAncunin]

Just saw it an hour ago, and I noticed that he shook his head slightly at that moment. Thought that was interesting.

[@TheFirstBhau]

Honestly I think the Spot was used really well in this film. We get a lot of classic goofy shenanigans with him in the first half (which I assume you like because of the update you provided). He does become a bigger physical threat by the India fight but he is still used primarily as a sense of humor. The collider sequence changes all this of course and alternatively they could have set it so that they fight him as a big threat in this one but I think it was better to keep him as a source of existential dread for the future. For me the Spot's threat still lingers over the narrative because of 1) his amazing transition and premonition that will give me nightmares and 2) the fact that while the Spider Society is physically trying to Stop Miles in the second half, the ultimate narrative obstacle of Miles is the death of his father something that is intwined with Spot's revenge. In general I think that while we had less Spot in the film than we could've, deciding to keep him as a lingering source of dread will make for a stronger overall narrative when The Spot does go sicko mode in Beyond than it would have been if the Spot just went from comedic to nightmarish in an instant.

[@thegoldenaegis]

I watched this without realising it was a part 1 and was demolished by the "to be continued" at the end

[@forestelforesto2897]

Also can we talk about how Renaissance Vulture was HAND DRAWN? I’m losing my mind over that design. Maybe the coolest visual component of the film. So unique

[@spoodergwen]

I absolutely loved that scene! And if the visuals weren´t cool enough themselves, the classical opera from Vultures´s era remixed with modern hip-hop from current times made it one of the best cinematic experiences I ever witnessed.

[@ARCHIVED9610]

yess! the animator notes and stuff when he was regenerating blew my mind hahah

[@scottrobinson3956]

Honestly for me, the extremely fast pace of the jokes worked for me. It always felt fun to notice them, but they never felt like they were detouring from the plot itself to tell the jokes, but rather the jokes were interwoven into the larger world, as such a serious thing as the endangerment of the multiverse would feel undercut if every joke was worth slowing down for, but when they are more like small quips thrown in, they become a lot more natural. The jokes can even give the film more enjoyment from a rewatch, as if there was anything you missed, you’d probably pick it up on a second viewing. Not every joke needs to land or be funny as long as that joke isn’t the focus of the audience. With the focus mostly always having either action, it creates an environment where the comedy acts as essentially the films garnish. Not necessarily integral to the dish, but it does make it look a lot prettier. Idk, that’s just my take away.

[@hardeepchahal7350]

Plus, Spider-Man is known for his quips. It just works from a character perspective too!

[@thegoodone4104]

That's my only problem with this review and most reviews is because that's the whole point of those quips, is to give a second, third, fourth watch a thing to point out and laugh at. It's so you can watch this movie multiple times and not get tired of it, it's for the longevity.

[@morganjary]

@@thegoodone4104 Yeah i like this way of doing quips. slowing the pace down and giving the audience time to laugh and notice the jokes leads to Marvel "audience space"

[@Frytoons]

it's a metaphor for capitalism

[@ultimateslinger9857]

That and jokes have always been apart of spidys character since the beginning

[@marp_625]

Today is March 29th, 2024. Beyond the Spiderverse will not be coming out any time soon. That’s a good thing imo.

[@The_Story_Of_Us]

This movie is actually really postmodern I think, the way it has no commitment to any one art style is like the most superficial aspect to it. The whole film is themes around deconstructing tropes and narratives with these canon events, where the villains are the Spider-people who adhere rigidly to their conventions and tropes, like “uncle has to die” and “police captain dies as Spider-Man fights a villain. And perfectly to theme the ones spearheading the movie are these new age Spider people of Gwen and Miles, especially with Miles as the first black spider-man. And in case the point wasn’t down quite hard enough, the coolest character in the movie stirring all the shits is an anarchist revolutionary punk rock british black Spider-Man who looks like he’s animated with newspaper clippings planting the seeds of doubt and giving Miles and Gwen the tools with which to resist authority and shatter the Spider-Canon.

[@Midnightsons-Unlimited]

"Nah. Imma do my own thing." That line is going to *DEFINE* who Miles Morales is as a character going forward. Where as previously it was "that's all it is Miles. A leap of faith." Before it was someone else who helped define him. Now, he's defining himself. They've done a great job at setting up the fact he does things his way; he doesn't just swing across NYC he runs, he does parkour cause that's what MILES is good at and loves to do. His god damn shoelace is still untied in that iconic falling/rising shot. He openly challenges Miguel where most everyone just seems to blindly follow. He does graffiti and tags places across NYC. His own suit is a showcase of who he is and what he loves to do. And it breaks the mold of what a traditional Spider-Man suit looks like and how it's often made. Miles at his core is about redefining what it means to be Spider-Man; that he isn't JUST Spider-Man. He's Miles Morales too. Which is something the other spiders seem to forget. That Peter had to be reminded of. That you can be both the person under mask, and the hero. I think they're going to set it up to have him finally break the curse of Spider-Man. And it's going to be amazing to witness.

[@kozy7477]

THIS ^^^

[@Luke_SkywaIker]

I think that’s why hobie respects miles so much because he himself is an unconventional Spider-Man and goes against the grain

[@justasalamander2621]

I do agree he breaks the mold for sure, but to say the others just blindly follows miguel weakens everyone including Miguel's character. They follow miguel because he keeps it together, he keeps the spiderverse together. He himself already done what miles is trying to do and suffered horribly having to watch his family once again be ripped away from him. Miles is just doing what miguel did and miguel is doing everything possible to stop him before he ruins actually everything. A metaphor he uses which speaks volume to his perspective and why everyone follows him is "would you save 1 person or every world of worlds in the spiderverse" or something similar basically asking the whole world or 1 person you care about. Miles of course thinks he can do both "does his own thing" Now I don't doubt he will be able to do both because you have to have a happy ending or otherwise it won't be satisfying apparently. Miles was never supposed to be spiderman but he is

[@brendanmystery]

@@justasalamander2621 that's with the assumption that Miguel is right

[@utahsrainbowsprinkles]

MILES MORALES IS BREAKING THE CYCLE ‼️‼️

[@chillychivy435]

The fact 1,000 Artists and animators had came together from different departments of animation to make this Masterpiece look beautiful i can not wait for Beyond the Spiderverse to conclude this GOD tier trilogy

[@onepresence9460]

This was the most beautiful looking animation that i’ve ever seen, right next to Arcane, Akira and The Prince of Egypt.

[@Jadan_Lord]

@МеаtСаnуоn 🅥 why is a bot making fun of bots

[@RainbowMan9407]

Honestly, the first time I watched this, I wasn't sure if I like it more than the first Spider Verse movie. And then I started obsessing over it, watching every scene I could find over and over again. I haven't been able to rewatch the movie, and looking back at it, I can't think of anything to complain about. The cliffhanger was a bit annoying on first watch, but I can't think of another cliffhanger that leaves me feeling so compelled. Even with Infinity War, this movie's cliffhanger had me instantly wanting to watch the sequel.

[@RainbowMan9407]

My biggest complaint related to this movie is the fact that the trailers used the Spider Society chase so much that I assumed it was going to be the halfway point, rather than the climax. I almost wish they used the footage from the first half related to the Spot, as much as I loved finding that stuff out (BAGEL!!). I just feel like the trailers showed too much from the second half of the movie, which led to me going into the movie with false expectations. And looking back, I think my first watch was tainted from that.

[@KwikBR]

@@RainbowMan9407 that makes me happy that i skipped the trailers

[@shadowtrap2109]

I would like to formally remind all of you that the spiderverse movies were made by the same studio that made the emoji movie. that is one of the most miraculous things I have ever seen

[@ledestroyerofworlds9366]

I think the cliff hanger was as natural as a cliffhanger can be. If the movie kept going, the animation and storytelling would have suffered plus the pacing is amazing as a result

[@KatieLHall-fy1hw]

Agree. Granted, I gave a loud “UGH” when it ended though 😆

[@peachii3124]

right. with how fast-paced the movie was, they would've either had to cut out a lot, or made the (already very long) movie even longer. i think the story ended at a pretty good point, too-- gwen finally found the courage to stand up to the spider-society, and there's set up for the next movie's beginning conflict.

[@sergeantsainsburys9181]

Tbh I was blown away when I heard shaif say that we’d have to wait 9 months, I never thought it would be that short of a time

[@wortwortwort117]

I think it could've ended 30 minutes earlier and have been more inconsistent

[@joshuakim5240]

The film was also already quite long, AND fast-paced which is pretty crazy.

[@thephoenix8892]

I really loved how they handled the infamous “can’t save everyone” trope that Spider-Man media usually involves. It was done in such an interesting and cool way that really could make you feel like there was a good side to pick

[@subjectnivleis7572]

not really all it did was make everyone but miles look like a villain flat out character assassination definitely to ben

[@bingpigs]

@@subjectnivleis7572 definitely not, i thought it handled the idea of duty vs desire really well

[@quennygreen]

@@bingpigs I mean sure but the core of Spider-Man’s beliefs is that they want to save everyone. I find it extremely hard to believe that Miles is the ONLY Spider-Man of all of these universes that wants to try and do that. And there’s definitely some that don’t know what’s coming (like Pavitr) so you can’t say that everyone already knows about the canon. The movie honestly left me so confused about that.

[@boluwatiferaufu6502]

@@quennygreen But the thing is that a lot of Spider-Man have experienced the failure of trying to save everyone, for example Insomniac Spider-Man let his Aunt May die in order to save the rest of the city. Yes some Spider-Man should have sided with Miles, SOME. But the not all of the ones that side with Miguel are character assassination. Plus there's over 300 characters, the writers probably felt it was easier this way to create a story.

[@AzulStryer]

@@boluwatiferaufu6502 Considering Josh Keaton has provided his take that Spectacular was so broken and vulnerable by the losses in his life that whatever Miguel said got him to agree...hoo boy.

[@oakleymccrohon7513]

I love this film and I don’t mind it being delayed give them as much time as they need to make a fantastic conclusion

[@maxwellclipper4607]

Did you guys know that in across the spider verse the guidance counselor is named Ms Weber and she has a picture of the spot on her wall?

[@joeiorio9654]

Rewatched it today, and I love how we see Hobie stealing certain parts throughout the HQ, and he uses them to build Gwen the new Watch

[@i.d.9754]

I noticed that on the second watch, and it was so fucking cool

[@CrowLady0_0]

oh MY GOD THATS WHAT HE WAS DOING?? i noticed him grabbing everything cuz i cant keep my hands to myself either, but i just assumed he gave her his! holy shit!!

[@mfrebel7831]

That was awesome

[@ignisleo4966]

@@CrowLady0_0 he designed a new one (presumably without tracking,) and also as he wrote on the note “in case [gwen’s] stops working, and its such a cool way to incorporate the punk property damage agenda

[@onepresence9460]

Spider-Punk was the best. I loved his interaction with Mayday Parker, Miles and Indian Spider-Man.

[@cadencedavis7510]

I think the emotional heart to hearts hit harder in this movie.. the art style in Gwen's dimension really complimented their arguments and resolutions. My jaw dropped from those beautiful scenes. The entire movie was bigger, so definitely a successful sequel.

[@_the_rizzler]

Idk, that scene where Miles is tied to the chair in his dorm room with Jefferson speaking to him? That is emotional as hell

[@bethkeenan8800]

I think they really upped the fidelity of facial expressions in this one. The Gwen x miles upside down scene is really carried by them

[@TheRibottoStudios]

Peter's entire speech to Miles was really well done. "YOU'RE THE REASON I HAD HER OKAY?!....I thought if I did enough of a decent job raising her, she'd turn out like you. And it got me excited because you are a WONDERFUL PERSON. And I LIKE HANGING AROUND YOU OKAY?!" Like you KNOW he really feels that but he also feels deep down sometimes bad things happen and there's nothing you can do about them. He isn't seeing things from MILES' perspective. He's too used to the trauma. His heart's in the right place, but his head is in his ass lol

[@Ina_Toma]

Gwen’s dimension looking like a watercolour painting made me tear up. Amazing movie!

[@thedarkjw6219]

3:07 I would call Miguel a antagonist not simply a villian!

[@UnderTale_FanI]

both has a special place in my heart

[@BoxoSpoons]

Part of the sound mixing is that it's been confirmed that for whatever reason apparently a lot of theaters haven't ended up playing the movie at the volume it was mixed for.

[@mirosalom8561]

so annoying, it ruined the experience for so many people

[@loganshaw4527]

O which is weird they normally are really good with volume. Did they forget to clean the speakers or check speaker range? Because too loud can be a problem if it changes to lower volume I ask youtubers alot of the time for a higher volume ceiling for videos that they do more so when talking voice is very high for main youtuber and thier friend is much lower or dear god if the fx in the background is so loud it is louder then the youtuber or a game fx ping ping ping Crystal collecting what are you saying there are to many crystal being picked up one by one. Any way sound it really messes with you if it is off the norm.

[@ceeb420]

Yeah, I feel like my IMAX was blaring it, it almost sounded distorted in some scenes.

[@loganshaw4527]

@@ceeb420 too loud can mess with your hearing make it so you can not hear the softer parts of the movie because of ear ringing.

[@RantyBlue]

​@@mirosalom8561I had to stop someone from being on their bright phone next to me for a majority of the film so I don't recall the volume of the sound. Just gives me a reason to watch it again! ;) (LADY OF YA GOING TO A MOVIE WATCH THE MOVIE AND GET OFF YA PHONE!!!!)

[@enickma910]

It was a little unfortunate that Peter B was sidelined but he still had some great scenes, it's more that the other characters (besides MJ) just refused to take him seriously. Even Miles was dismissive of him despite Peter pouring his heart out. Miguel's flashback implied Peter had a much larger hand in the plot and I hope they pay that off.

[@finnvost9349]

Tbh the true unforgivable sidelining was of the legendary Spider-Noir That and Penni Parkers more Evangelion feel (which is not a good sign, i feel like between the 2 films she's had her fair share of Canon Events and then some)

[@blake3631]

@@finnvost9349 >More Evangelion feel. Let's pray to god that she hasn't been Shinji'ed in her universe. Homegirl does not need that kind of trauma.

[@piyo744]

@@blake3631 "Prank her, Miles!" "Haha, you already know."

[@SmelliesTimes]

@@blake3631penni, crank that soulja boy

[@yohanedescends4683]

i dont think peter b needed a bigger role in the movie, he already had a lot in the first movie and his arc was over. it makes more sense to focus on other characters for this movie

[@deadgame2098]

You're absolutely right about the dialog, even in the theater I missed a lot because the sound mixing made it quiet in comparison to the music/sfx.

[@thomasrobinson9148]

It also felt like they were trying to do the leap of faith scene from the first movie every second scene. they could definitely cut down on the slightly sappy monologues that didn’t always hit