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[@Arassar]

Selling "battle passes" that EXPIRE is just garbage. Making people play your game with FOMO is some real phone-gacha-game-tier stuff.

[@WarMomPT]

I don't disagree, but putting the emphasis on 'expire' makes it sound like this is out of the ordinary? Expiring, temporary BPs are pretty much what BPs normally are, sadly. The ability to go back to and progress older seasons of BPs - removing the FOMO - is relatively new and I really hope they become the standard (well, assuming the alternative is 'no BPs at all', which would be nicer). The real kick in the teeth for me is that seemingly ALL of them are based around daily / weekly challenges. Instead of a BP just rewarding you for playing the game, you end up playing around the pass rather than playing the game as you normally would.

[@Ram2rol]

I'm not spending any money on coins before they stop these greedy practices. Let me buy 600 coins without having to buy 1000 coins...

[@leithaziz2716]

Meanwhile, Deep Rock Galactic uses a free Battlepass and all its content gets cycled back into the main game.

[@thingols_]

​@@leithaziz2716 For Rock and Stone!

[@kongchho]

Bamco is super greedy. They could have easily made everything more accessible but chose to nickel and dime their players. The silver lining is that I think the devs really don't want to implement any of this. It's all ceo's and execs making these decisions.

[@alextheshrimp.]

I don’t think he ever noted that the level 52 PREMIUM BATTLE PASS REWARD is a FUCKING untextured GREY ASSET BALL.

[@Evilriku13]

and it's a great meme!

[@SavianX]

@@Evilriku13 95% chance that ball becomes a beloved icon like three years from now

[@godofpharts]

​@@SavianXits literally a stock blender asset

[@blueisacolor7639]

Thought the way he felt was self explanatory with his overall take of the pass. Over reacting over something insignificant to the overall point isn't necessary to everyone. Max seems to be one of the only people that can actually put together well thought out points and helpful critique and concerns without snowflaking out most of the time.

[@JustSendMeLocation]

@@blueisacolor7639what are you talking about literally everyone is calling out this Tekken 8 nonsense

[@Edmitsu]

$70 games have no business having these things.

[@Arcade_King]

PREACH

[@philharrison2991]

Maybe you're just too poor.

[@sebastianhermosillo828]

@philharrison2991 you’re part of the problem mf. Also you look like you’re not allowed to be near school zones

[@SirVolt]

​@@philharrison2991 maybe we Just don't want to get fucked over. If i buy a car full price i don't want to buy parts of its engine later so that It can now start to work

[@philharrison2991]

@SirVolt a car isn't a video game. It's an automobile.

[@goby1764]

Remember the people that said $70 price tags would stop this sort of predatory behavior?

[@nerooyeye2196]

I don't know if it's just me, but I don't remember many people saying that

[@goby1764]

@@nerooyeye2196 it was a common argument point for $70 dollar games. The obvious component is that they're just gonna take the price increase and the predatory practices

[@nerooyeye2196]

@goby1764 well, that actually makes sense. I guess just wasn't really tuned into the gaming community at the time. Also, I know that Namco made us pay for frame data, but I never really expected tekken to go down this road

[@goby1764]

@@nerooyeye2196 Yeah, in particular I expected bandai to still be with the slimy practices.

[@nerooyeye2196]

@@goby1764 it quite unfortunate

[@Lucksual]

This is ignoring the biggest issues with the battle pass. It’s a $70 game, with a cash shop, a battle pass, AND you still need to pay for new characters. They are quadruple dipping in a non F2P game.

[@SquashMelendez]

No they aren’t lol. You don’t need any of the cosmetics so why spend the extra money?

[@maximumdeejay]

​@@SquashMelendez If I spent $70 on this I should get every artwork in the game, they didn't do this in t7.

[@Alex_Barbosa]

​@SquashMelendez yes they are. What you said makes no sense.

[@ed61730]

They still gave you the full game with story mode etc. Like Tekken 7 you would have still needed to buy each character on their own after launch. Its such a hard one... do we want f2p games where we pay for everything piece meal? Or get most of the content up front and PAY for the additional live service of YEARS of content.

[@Lucksual]

@@ed61730 I get that they need to have monetization methods to keep the game going for years, but the problem is how many different ways they're trying to squeeze money out of ppl. If you're going to have a cash shop AND a battle pass, make future characters and stages free.

[@dahb00gst3r6]

They got rid of treasure battle just to make you pay for it through a battle pass, that's fucking pathetic.

[@Itachigan22]

Which sucks because I really like that mode. Fighting to get acessories with the chance to get rarer items after a few wins is such a fun idea to get people into playing the game and getting better as the cpu's get harder.

[@krodmandoon3479]

​@@Itachigan22Yup, it was great and my most played mode when I wasn't in the mood for ranked. And now it's gone with nothing to replace it.

[@Walking-MY-Path]

Yeah wtf that shit should be free like previous Tekken games did 🤦‍♂️

[@andrea_7194]

tbh I hate Treasure Mode I prefer when back in Tekken 5 you could earn money and just buy what you want. Instead of having lootboxes and you having to farm that stupid mode in hope of getting what you want (after a while you mostly get coins, and costumes/acc get rarer)

[@parrisxsummers]

They hid all of this from the consumers so the reviews would be good. Then they sold soooo many copies and great reviews, they can drop this on us. It was surreptitious and grubby.

[@M_CFV]

same thing happened with SF6 too unfortunately

[@mastershake1071]

I'm pretty sure the EU has laws against this kind of thing

[@xNachtmahRx]

Yup, we could file a mass lawsuit here in the EU. It's customer deception. You can't hide such mtx until purchase, you have to be honest and upfront if your mtx are ready to go but withheld until after launch to prevent negative criticisms and drama

[@okagron]

This is what companies do when they want the first month sales and the critical acclaim but also that extra money. Activision did the same shit with the remake of Crash Team Racing, they added a bunch of microtransactions and made it so you get much less currency for unlocking stuff well after the game got great reviews and sold well.

[@meat7490]

Man the big 3 had everything… and they decided to flick the switch

[@gakuyax]

I want a Helldiver 2 type of battlepass. Permanent battle pass where i can take a break and enjoy life for a bit and come back to unlock them later.

[@HowIin]

Crazy that they're not even offering things as good as HD2 does when HD2 is a $40 game and you can earn all the premium stuff just by playing relatively easy. $70 just to get bent with a ton of micro-transactions is horrible

[@Sammysapphira]

@@HowIin It's hilarious that you're comparing cosmetics to a battlepass that actually gives you gameplay advantages.

[@winterbourne2343]

@@Sammysapphirasay you haven’t played Helldivers 2 without saying it. You dumb as fuck if you think it’s pay to win when the weapons are side grades and not better then the rest and also are permanently there to grind, no fomo

[@flashtheshapeshafter]

Even Halo infinite lets the battle pass stick around, you still got to pay for it but you can just go back to it whenever

[@DBTHEPLUG]

I've only played for 2 days and am already 25% on the pass. It's not that deep. If I would play for 6 hours a day for maybe 2 days would clear it easily. If you play 2 hours every 3 days you should be able to clear it easily. And otherwise don't buy the battle pass.

[@Despots_Blitz86]

Love how the thumbnail looks like Eddy harshly judging the battle pass with Max being like "but hear me out"...

[@diablojim]

For real XD

[@furrywarrior7642]

Let's hear em out 😂

[@Loz1719]

You won the comment section for today

[@Angelhernandez-ei3yv]

Not gonna lie I feel like they are adding a battle pass to everything honestly

[@nehemiahpouncey3607]

WTF is wrong with Eddy on the Thumbnail?😂

[@Guirko]

Bro... they give you new eye colors in the battle pass? The lack of eye color options was one of my biggest complaints... Guess we know why they were missing now 😒

[@liljon042]

It's not even a good eye option. It uses the zaibatsu icon as the eye and it's red. I wish we just got color options for it

[@sefflikejeff1917]

People love to pull the "if you dont wanna buy it, just ignore it, who cares" card But intentionally limiting character creator options just to charge money for them later is SCUMMY. That scummy business decision negatively impacts the game itself, even if you choose to ignore it

[@mrdoctortonberry]

I imagine its not just eyes, but the makeup options too. Why have seperate lip color options and not just a single option to change color on a color wheel? Its all gonna be fight pass BS

[@Iwatoda_Dorm]

@@sefflikejeff1917 I get it, but it’s just business to have things set up where you have the models made, it took some time and effort to get it made and now you can ship it every 2-4 months while working on balance patches, fixing bugs, creating characters while drip feeding people content who want it or don’t. But i’d only legitimately feel this way if it was instead handed out through a rewards system already in-game rather than a pay wall :/

[@majorlazor5058]

I’m not spending money on my avatar..😂😂😂

[@TheFightConnoisseur]

The problem isn’t even necessarily having a battlepass. It’s having a full price $70 game and jamming a crappy battlepass every other month that expires. You don’t have to buy it but it feels like a spit in the face when majority of players would happily pay money for actually good content/costumes but they chose to jam cheap thoughtless items that they can pump out for next to nothing and try to FOMO people into buying it

[@wexorin]

@@FirewynnTV wrong but u are half correct. you got the online unlock code when you bought the game. this was so that if u sell your physical copy the buyer would have to buy the online portion. this was during the time when companies wanted to stop people from buying second hand games. Now most people buy digital so i guess they got their way in the end.

[@kylespevak6781]

You don't like the pass, don't buy it. You happily bought the game for $70, and you said you'd happily buy the costumes on the shop. You're not forced to buy the pass

[@kylespevak6781]

​@@FirewynnTVTag 2 on Wii U had online, all DLC, extra Nintendo modes and costumes, so...

[@rheawelsh4142]

​@@kylespevak6781I don't play games with battlepasses, so give me the fucking option to not buy it in the first place shill

[@shinzero0271]

@@FirewynnTVCame with my game at launch. Though I think Gamestop's policies had a high chance of that happening because they'd sell opened copies of the game as 'new' since they were either display copies or copies the employees tested/'borrowed' and kept sealed behind a desk. I've been to Gamestops where they purposely sold the 'display' copy first and just opened an unsealed copy afterwards to repeat the process since they never really got big shipments of games past the initial launch and whatever covered preorders.

[@js-ro5jk]

$70 game with a battle pass sums up everything wrong with the games industry

[@iiequinox8044]

Fighting games simply aren't built to have a battlepass. Fighting Game teams would need to invest heavily into having multiple different costumes for every character to really ever make them worth buying like ones in Fortnite. But even then, I don't see anyone purchasing these when the title was already 70 dollars with MORE DLC to follow.

[@journie3042]

Honestly SEGA can fix that with a new Virtua Fighter if it's free but given free online and few selected characters but single player and modes are paid except for arcade, 2p vs and training mode

[@shinanimedubs1269]

what's crazy is.... if they were giving you a battle pass full of new costumes... I would bet more people would buy it and they would make money, but these companies are run by greedy corporate robots who want to operate on as little cost as possible

[@lesbonsamis8171]

@@journie3042 Sega … it’s them who made people pay for a game+ on Yakuza ?😂

[@journie3042]

@@lesbonsamis8171 it is scummy but if VF is free then it wouldn't be a problem

[@lucastonoli3256]

@@journie3042 SEGA won't fix shit, are you even paying attention to what they are doing? They will monetize twice as hard. Truth is, as long as it sells, it won't get fixed by any big company.

[@bazzfromthebackground3696]

Most battlepasses don't go over well. The FGC went from eating to being preyed on.

[@TheVanOvanShow]

Eating to being eaten oh no 😢

[@arpadszabo661]

Vast majority of battlepasses go over more than just fine. That’s why they still exist

[@wood1066]

lol, the FGC has been getting preyed on for years and they just smile and take it.

[@JojoDigitalArtist]

@@arpadszabo661 Yeah it's mainly FGC is now having to deal with the big franchises getting one and they don't like it. It sucks to say but Battlepasses are honestly here to stay for most multiplayer online games since it's a long term way to keep earning money.

[@buns9022]

FGC is still eating, we've just got a dish to avoid like the plague now. The steak is still there, with rollback netcode sauce on it and everything.

[@flashtheshapeshafter]

This game is already $70 with a season's pass, there was no reason to randomly Shadow drop a battle pass without telling anyone!

[@mishimakazuya6167]

You remember tekken tag tournament 2? Customization was amazing no dlc needed

[@shinzero0271]

Keep in mind, Tekken Tag 2 came out in arcades more than year before the console release. It actually got an updated arcade version that added more content and then the console version came out that added even more. Console Players basically got the Tekken equivalent of Super Street Fighter 2 for their launch while the arcade already went through SF2 and SF2: Turbo.

[@pretty-pink]

Right, it was fun and it only needed creativity

[@shvy100]

it wasn't that good, however, decals? that changed everything!

[@pablogats4627]

​@@shvy100 tekken 6 had the goat customization mode for me, wish they brought it back and added the decals from tt2

[@Walking-MY-Path]

Tekken 6 had the best one for sure 👍

[@SirLightsOut99]

I think this is going to lead Tekken down the same road that street fighter went down. Both games really, desperately want you to care about the avatar stuff. They want to sell you that gimmick so badly. The problem is that in leaning so far into it as a form of monetization they just kind of make us not like it and it drives us back towards the main part of the game. I can’t count the times where I’ve seen that the Street fighter social media pages have put up a new post only to find out that it’s yet again a notice about gear for a part of the game that a lot of people haven’t thought about in months unless it’s to directly criticize it for being so greedy. I can't imagine Tekken will be any different.

[@joedatius]

in some fairness people actually use the battle hub and i see people fight with their avatars constantly. T8 on the otherhand... uh they just walk around i guess. I would like to say nobody cares about SF6 avatars but for better or worse there is clearly an audience there.

[@Original_Katros]

They want people to use avatars so badly and yet they messed up the freaking system because you can't even have multiple special moves with the same input (for example - I can't use Hadouken and Quadriga simultaneously because they're both quarter circle forward inputs, even though one uses punch and the other, kick) because of the modern controls.

[@Vespyr_]

I don't even go into the Lounge at all anynore. I couldn't care less about avatars in this game.

[@ProxyDoug]

The problem is that SF6 has custom player characters, while T8 are XBox Live avatars, no one cares about that shit.

[@joedatius]

@@Original_Katros yeh that is weird but id be lying if i said it ruined the entire system since i constantly see people with cray unique combos and weird shit. hard to be too mad at it when no other game in the whole genre even tried to do anything like it.

[@Oohley.850]

This greed started with 2k other gaming companies are noticing that 2k is taxing their community and receiving no backlash due to 2k having a monopoly on simulation basketball I beg for the tekken community to stand against this we don't need another company prioritizing profit over the player experience

[@darthronin808]

Most gaming companies seem to only care about the money nowadays and don’t care about backlash unless it’s massive amount like the battlefront 2 EA situation. Sadly there’s also a lot of bootlickers “it only cosmetics and cheap” or whatever just sad.

[@jacklaika1596]

I'm pretty sure FIFA figured out how to nickel and dime their players on a full price game years before 2K, But yes they will only do this kind of thing as long as the player's let them get away with it

[@slinkyslink5161]

The thing is, the majority of the people who play FIFA, 2K and the like, are very disconnected from the rest of the videogame industry. They are the ones who didnt know what an rpg was until skyrim came out. With that being the case, they were more susceptible to falling for shitty money grubbing because they werent really aware of how bad that is. Its like how mobile games made so much money because even grandpa who has never touched a gamepad will try Candy Crush and possibly spend money on it because he has no idea how bad that is.

[@TupocalypseShakur]

​@@darthronin808Nowadays? They just come up with new ways to get your money but nothing has changed

[@EstebanBrenesV]

The problem with "that greed" is that is not neccesarily greed, games and some industries have been struggling on the inside, this of course doesnt justifiy some tactics but essentially the bad practices have tainted some average practices or just neutral tactics as bad, I dont think every person in the industry is greedy but also I have never met any dev swimming in money or for that fact seen that money myself and I have 8 years working on games... I feel anything other than premium 60 is getting the bad eye, but in this economy after 20 years of selling games at the same price almost, premium 60 IS NOT a sustainable model for a company even indies. That said sure there are execs that use this as a justification to milk the other models but instead of asking the removal of other monetization models why not ask for its regulation? People like to pretend games are not expensive or expensive to make... As well, this is a 2 sided issue

[@vincentfalcone9218]

I miss Tekken Tag 2.

[@darkspyro1991]

fuckload of content from get go

[@dannyboots]

Tekken Tag 2: Wii U Edition

[@thegamegatsby4483]

Buy it physical for 5$ and play it online on your Series X

[@hatchhyjack]

I've missed that game so much that i bought a PS3 again

[@pablogats4627]

I last played it around 2 years ago but my PS3 died tt2 was a wild game

[@THEELEMENTKH]

BTW you need to know something: The battlepass requires online matches to level up/progress through it, so if you never play online (like I do) it's literally impossible to level up and earn anything

[@rainierzx9677]

Playing fighting games offline in present day 2024 AD is crazy, kind of a personal problem

[@Ehhhh.h]

You can fight your friend in unranked 1v1s and get it all done. I got my challenges done by accident just playing against my friends

[@10.ikadekanandadwipayadnya83]

​@@rainierzx9677sometimes lag and pluggers annoy you so much you need to get that smooth offline vibe, like being a kid and playing Tekken 5

[@mglikeabossplaysMC]

​​@@10.ikadekanandadwipayadnya83 Also if you have enough FGC friends nothing is more fun than having offline sessions. Mostly what I do in tekken these days as I don't want to grind ranked for both T8 and SF6

[@TheReapingToast]

@@rainierzx9677the majority of fighting games I play are only offline with my brothers (mostly) and some friends, there is nothing wrong with offline only

[@AgentZombieMan]

A lot of the customization pieces in the Fight Pass were in Tekken 7 by default. So they literally took them away so they could turn around and sell it instead.

[@Mick0Mania]

Soul Calibur has been doing this for years, except instead of a battle pass, they sold these recycled items in DLC packs. Some items are so old that they seem to retain their shitty geometry and textures from the PS2/PS3 games they originated from. They even ripped pieces from Tekken characters and sold those in a DLC pack.

[@TheBananaThug]

Thats like saying all the characters in Tekken8 are in Tekken7. As long as they remodeled them which I imagine they had to for a new engine and to match the game graphically, whats the issue? They made 2 assets. One for Tekken7 and one for Tekken8. It just looks the same.

[@dustincarter9334]

​@@Mick0Mania You'd think they'd try NOT to copy their other franchise that they probably killed....

[@DOSFrost]

But did Tekken 7 have the white sphere!? I'll await your apology

[@cloudcoastgaming]

@@Mick0Maniasoul caliber is dead tho lmao

[@travismarxo2836]

If my avatar could play the classic Tekken games in the arcades, I'd invest in such a feature more.

[@jack-o-lanterns-dbdclips6995]

I just want a stage with everyone's avatars in the background, or something that makes customization of your avatar worth it.

[@iskalley]

the fight lounge is the most pointless waste of memory on my harddrive ever

[@Edmitsu]

Tekken 8 taught me buying games at launch is as bad as pre ordering.

[@anthonybrothers744]

That's the stupidest fucking take I've heard today

[@Nemcoification]

It taught me buying games within the first two months of launch is no longer an option. Publishers will not only give incomplete copies to the reviewers now, they'll wait a month or two before they sneak this stuff in. I can't trust that the game I'm buying at launch is the same game as two months later.

[@brandon27025]

@@Nemcoification It's optional content. You are required to spend exactly $0 to continue playing the game. Why don't you understand that you're not entitled to things you haven't purchased?

[@anthonybrothers744]

@@Nemcoification Sneak in a mediocre battle pass that's only 15 dollars? Or a few awkward balance changes because they are trying to figure it out too? Yeah still a really corny awkward take. Buddy Tekken 8 slaps. This community is so probably the worst fighting game community there is. It's just nothing but bitching and whining about anything and everything.

[@clumsyturtle8544]

Took you a while to learn that. Don't pre-order games has been a saying for a decade

[@simonr344]

At 11:28, we are watching a KZbin video of Max watching a KZbin video of PhiDX watching a KZbin video

[@renslo689]

KZbinception lol

[@twistedgambit9084]

*BWAM* 😂😂😂

[@DL-zq5ie]

Original content everyone!!

[@thecoffeeshrine2062]

@@DL-zq5ie "disseminating information"

[@deez8060]

Describing Tekken being out of its “Honey moon phase” is perfect started out so good and just came to a screeching halt

[@Hillthugsta]

So 4 months is the shelf life of a honeymoon phase? Seems about right

[@VerGiLL1]

@@Hillthugsta 4 Months ? Tekken 8 has been out for like 2 months and a few days at best.

[@Hillthugsta]

@@VerGiLL1 I forgot when in JAN it was released. Also forgot this month just started In a way. That makes it worse.

[@unclepaul1995]

And Describing Harada being our Dad giving us what We Don’t want. Dad: No Complaining, Son.

[@mrdoctortonberry]

Still very upset that out of all the things to lock behind a premium pass they chose character artwork. That Azucena art at tier 11 looks amazing but I refuse to spend $10 just for like 3-4 art pieces

[@unclepaul1995]

And Harada still upset about People asking Him for Shit.

[@sunnymane]

I’m paying 6 for the customization parts lol.

[@maximumdeejay]

​@@unclepaul1995 "Don't ask me for ACTUAL QUALITY BATTLE PASS CONTENT"

[@connorstephens7467]

I’m so tired of buying fighting games for full price. It just doesn’t seem worth it to me.

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

honestly, buying a battlepass in your 60/70$ game is beyond moronic. you're getting dumped with the F2P plebs. if you pay for that you are, in fact, the problem with this industry. edit: of course all the battlepasses suck, no game designer has ever uttered the word "battlepass". they don't exist to make anything better.

[@darkshat3077]

It finally got to max lmao

[@KingJaeTV]

Glad now people are speaking up about things in the game. I love Tekken but Tekken 8 is missing things.

[@MobDraws69]

The later half of the video really opened my eyes to Tekken’s complexities. The part with Lars especially made me realize that Tekken becomes more interesting because of what you can do in a 3d space. I’m a fairly new player. I’ve been around for the last few months of 7, and now in 8, although I enjoy it, advanced techniques both vexed and intrigued me to no end. With these recent changes, however, it makes the game streamlined for new players like me but removes the cool elite shit more skilled players can do. I dont want this game to play like a 2d fighter or a bs 50/50 fest like tag fighters. I want to play Tekken.

[@omegaweapon116]

I've been playing Tekken since Tekken 2 and this is the first one where I'm actually thinking about skipping it. It is definitely a 50/50 fest with heat. Too many safe moves in heat, heat engagers, heat cancelling, inputs are super easy....I agree. I like games where there are things that only a few people can do because they require so much skill.

[@GS-kj5pc]

I'm thinking of quitting, heat ruins the game

[@etl2474]

The worst part is that people are dumb enough to complain about the stuff they buy. As long as people are more concerned with consuming than not, the microtransactions will only get worse.

[@arpadszabo661]

Typical “i hate how overpriced my new iPhone that i’m currently holding in my hand is but 14 is so last year” people

[@TVindustries5000]

thing is tho, to me, fighting games are unique. sometimes i feel if people dont buy a fighting game, japanese companies go "oh i guess people dont want fighing game no more." Tekken might be slightly different, but there was a reason there was such a big gap between SF3 and SF4 but also i stopped buying new games after sf5 first came out so im actually with ya lmao. i might check VF6 and City of the Wolves once they release

[@Meldrick-jv7sy]

These moronic types of comments need to end. 🤦 Stop trying to conflate the people who complain with the people that just buy the thing.

[@eusouocarameuirmao]

the classic "the internet is one person" comment. i knew i'd find it here somewhere

[@ItsYuhBoyyyy]

@@Meldrick-jv7syLotusAsakura literally released a video complaining about the shit battlepass AFTER he bought it

[@MrMooMoo088]

They already said the stage hazards were an oversight and they are working on a hotfix. Should've never happened but im optimistic they'll fix it soon.

[@michaeltenbroeck1807]

Rocket League’s Rocket pass and Hell Diver 2’s War bonds are good examples of how to do the season pass well.

[@fasteddyet]

Battle passes should be boycotted🤢🤮

[@redwolfe7049]

It should be but it won't

[@thechugg4372]

Man Loot boxes were so good because devs were forced to make content for the game or there wouldn't be enough trash to keep good shit rare. Battle Passes are so fucking boring with little to no content.

[@JV571]

It wasn't that long ago that you could get 3 costumes for $6 in MK11. Now one costume for one character in a fighting game can cost $5 - $15. And the idea of battle passes always bothered me. You have to pay money to get premium items, then you have to unlock those items within a time limit or you lose them. So you're not actually paying for them, you're paying for the chance to get them. Which means you're SOL if you're a casual who doesn't play often enough, or if you have a busy schedule. What's worse is that you can't even buy these things directly. You have to buy currency. So you could have some annoying left over currency, or you could be just short of what you need so you have to buy more than you want, or you might be tempted to spend extra because you get "free currency" when you buy larger bundles. Feels really scummy all around, and makes me actively avoid spending money I normally would've. Just give me a pack full of stuff at a solid price and I'll buy. At this rate, I'll be avoiding the next Tekken, Street Fighter, and Mortal Kombat.

[@sammythijs8641]

100% agree, i’m not strictly against microtransactions. It’s just how they implement it what puts me off (battlepasses, rounded up currency packs, overpriced skins). I feel mk11 did it the correct way. You could viably earn currency in game and prices were reasonable

[@Talesofaweedsmoker]

at that point you'd just stop playing the game after realizing that.

[@majorlazor5058]

SF6 with their $20 costumes is just criminal. I’ll spend $5 on a really good one and feel dirty about it, but no way I’m spending the price of a AA game for TMNT Leonardo.

[@Meldrick-jv7sy]

Since when does a dlc character ever cost more than like 5 or 7 dollars? But overall, I agree with you.

[@AngeloGene]

I suggest that we all just don't buy. If they don't make enough money doing this, it will stop. Vote with your wallet.

[@teo9532]

That price is what really sucks the most. The fact that those like two decent items are now stuck in a overpriced temporary grind fest is annoying too but the prices aren’t even good. I would be spending way more money on simple cosmetic DLC in games if they were actually a fair price like before. Each Mii Costume in Smash is like $0.75 and cuz of that, I’ve spent money on tons of costumes over time.

[@Kizzie_Kay]

Amazing video. I hope the developers listen to this

[@SuperFusionAJ93]

The Idea of Battle Passes in a Full Priced Fighting Game is The Worse Shit to Happen in Gaming.

[@kye4216]

Why? If you don’t think it’s offering good value don’t buy it.

[@Hasan-hm5fy]

@@kye4216lol why are you defending this garbage? They’re taking stuff that was literally in the game out, putting it in a timed battle pass and giving it to you piece by piece. This game is the full premium $70 with a $40 season pass and an in game shop, how much do they need?

[@SuperFusionAJ93]

@@kye4216 Miss with that Garbage Ass Excuse! I buy a product I expect a Full Package.

[@driatrogenesis]

@@kye4216 its greedy asf they removed stuff that was in the previous game the customizations were cut by 90% dude...they cut it and they borugt in back to sell it piece by piece. Thats scummy asf.

[@dannyboots]

I'd say loot boxes are

[@Average.writer]

I think battle pass is inherently a bad combination with fighting games. They can't lock out Characters like shooter that's insane. Customizations are bound to be lack lusters. Also what kind of challenges can you get with fighting games. Win a match?

[@journie3042]

Go play VF4 Evo quest mode, it has requirements during a match that u can decide to complete or not, it can earn golds that u can earn to unlock stuff like costumes parts, unlockable wallpaper, music, old stages and stuff. There's more to it but since a new VF will be announced this year. Will see how they do a new one albeit in an online environment

[@dojacow6645]

@@journie3042And it worked SO well for Virtua Fighter, because each character has their own individualized options, there weren’t sharing pieces like Tekken is doing. If Tekken were going about it like they did back in Tekken 6, where like Virtua Fighter, each character has their own style and it was reflected in their customization options, the battle pass might have been more welcome, but the rewards are absolute trash, save a FEW items. I always liked Virtua Fighter 4 because of how unique the characters and their styles were when it came to customization. The generic-ness of Tekken 8’s customization is just crazy, when you think about that, and I’m not sure why they thought a battle pass was needed, when they could have effectively did what MK1 is doing, and just had a leveling system that rewarded you for actively using your mains, which you were guaranteed to do, because that’s the point of having a main.

[@journie3042]

@@dojacow6645 i honestly didn't know people didn't like Tekken 8's customs

[@shinkenrock]

Battle passes and cosmetics in a full price game is such a slap in the face.

[@IntertwiningRoses]

Dude, it's a one time purchase of 10 bucks, long as you play the game, you never need to pay for another one. 10 dollars for free cosmetics until the end of the games lifetime is pretty good.

[@Rio..o7..]

it's the fallout of the "it's just cosmetic" crowd

[@Gilded30]

@@IntertwiningRoses you are just assuming future battle passes also will cost 600 credits or future battle passes also includes 600 credits there is nothing that can make bamco unable to change future costs or rewards of battlepass since they can just give the excuse of "oooh this new battlepass have more quality blender-unreal engine sphere so fuck it 1200 credits"

[@TheBlakamon15]

and that is the problem right there. The excuse is for full price games. The whole point of games is to make money. Regardless if it is a full price game or free to play game because latter is worst than the former. To this day unless this stuff is being force upon you. I do not see why people cannot ignore that crap and just play and pay for what they want. Do not want to pay than do not pay and move on. All you going to do push them to find another way for them to push some type of monetization.

[@nickming8738]

@@Gilded30😂😂😂

[@FringeSpectre]

In b4 everyone gets over it and the standard response to stuff like this is "what, are you poor bro?"

[@lovelydumpling]

I don't care how much effort they put into the battle pass items, I don't want a god damn battle pass in my seventy dollar video game It's an instant dealbreaker I'm not playing Tekken

[@GanonAutumn777]

Remember when Smash Ultimate had dlc of 10 fighters,each with their own stages and sets of osts,cost less than Tekken 8's battlepass and yet offered more content without the need of microtransaction Both games were developed by Namco btw and yet the major difference is Namco is now in more of a pickle with two of their other live service projects not reeking in profit so they rushed in the tekken shop right alongside eddy to get the cash rolling while t8 is still in its honey moon time

[@TonyJenn]

Also it helped that Sakurai was in charge of smash's development.

[@XiaoFury]

Remember when all you had to do was use every character in arcade mode to receive more characters and stages? And it was free?

[@megablueflash1816]

Even a couple mii costumes came with their own music. And they were like, 75 cents each.

[@AntonioGonzalez-ht5ck]

Where you from that $25 is cheaper than $10?

[@tvoltage]

​@@AntonioGonzalez-ht5ckfrom a place where the $25 has 5 characters + stages. $5 per character pack. Where are you from

[@symphonixblades]

it's happening what happened to SF6 and Mortal Kombat ... Greedy management from the top dogs of the company. This is Bandai execs doing, and the TEKKEN team can do nothing to stop them because they don't have enough power for that

[@oni_vergil7342]

Nah I disagree. The devs seen the money tekken 7 made and decided to go mainstream . It’s a logical business decision. But it’s not good for us.

[@Eyes-Scream0213]

At least SF6 Deluxe Edition is much cheaper but offers Season 1 characters and Battle Pass. But Tekken 8 "Ultimate Edition" is very expensive and there's only season 1 characters without Battle Pass. So disappointed about it to be honest. Bandai Namco is starting to sucks now.

[@arpadszabo661]

@@Eyes-Scream0213 It’s not really fair to compare a deluxe edition to the ultimate one though. SF6 ultimate edition is just as overpriced

[@dustincarter9334]

Eh, SF 6 isn't that bad for cost because nothing they've really put out is anything I want anyway. It's still on top of the hill for me.

[@Eyes-Scream0213]

@@arpadszabo661 dude SF6 Deluxe Edition cost only 84.99 USD and I got Season 1 with Battle Pass. Tekken 8 "Ultimate Edition" costs 109.99 USD and I only get season 1 without a battle pass. Yeah I agree SF6 Ultimate Edition was very expensive but it's because it does have additional cosmetics but for Tekken 8 "Ultimate Edition" to have season 1 access only is so unfair.

[@Steffox1312]

Dead or Alive 5 has the best stages (and stage interactions) ever. Change my mind!

[@balto9674]

As a former Dead or Alive 5 player, you are absolutely spot on. I still love that game and even catch myself playing it every now and then. Plus the game mechanics felt the best to me for a 3D fighter.

[@doctorbrown5957]

Kicking someone down the stairs in MK Armageddon still makes me chuckle.

[@KamiKoroshi_]

I'm sorry this entire update is dogshit. Especially the wall break situation, which literally broke the game in this new update. Nobody asked for a godamn battle pass. WTF is Tekken 8 doing?

[@unclephillymya]

EDDY IS PISSED AT MAX IN THE THUMBNAIL 😭😭😭😭

[@samproctor6826]

People turning on a game after the initial launch is nothing new, but I genuinely hope they learn from the backlash here. I love this game and I just want the best for it and the community.

[@marcusclark1339]

its not going to improve and its only going to get more scummy in design never love a product, always be able to quit it when it no longer respects you or your time

[@samproctor6826]

@marcusclark1339 Never letting yourself enjoy something is not for me. But you do you.

[@sky-oq5mr]

​@@samproctor6826depends on what it stands for, this stands to prey on the weak that'll defend it no matter what. I've been with Tekken since 3 and knew it was going down hill at 7. Skipped 7 after a month. Tekken 8 lasted me 2 months I'll skip this one too. If not they will never learn. They want the people that'll be stupid enough to stick with it.

[@samproctor6826]

@sky-oq5mr That's fine if you don't want to support it, that's fair. All I'm saying is I'm still enjoying the game despite it and I'm thankful that people with a platform are airing their concerns plainly.

[@JFirecracker]

@@samproctor6826 And people will rightfully tell you you're playing into why corporations feel it's okay to be scummy like this

[@MoyLoaf]

Lmao the thumbnail said "☝️🤓"

[@nikkobird590]

🤣

[@tmifb9926]

Lmaooo

[@yusram8182]

lmaooooooo 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@unclepaul1995]

Max made many Videos about Battle Passes. Many Rant Videos about Battle Pass, and they still putting Battle Passes in Modern Games. Rant Videos did Nothing. Dev ignore us, thinking that Money Over Fans. Even the Angry Fans.

[@hyperreal]

Yes.. is this zoomer humor? Just emojis of the thing? 😴

[@sodamustdie4372]

Bamco, just make DLC costumes that matter, not battle pass. That's it, that's all it takes. Battle passes are fine for free to play games, not a $70 launch game

[@unclepaul1995]

Are You asking Harada for Shit?

[@sodamustdie4372]

@@unclepaul1995 Yeh 😂

[@unclepaul1995]

@@sodamustdie4372 Good Luck letting Harada beating You Up.

[@sodamustdie4372]

@@unclepaul1995 🤣, if he does that, Imma use his weakness: taking his glasses off

[@unclepaul1995]

@@sodamustdie4372 I see.

[@carmelodadude2365]

Unrelated but Tekkens Soundtrack is the first thing that made me want to play this game. GOATED.

[@wavecontroller5647]

Its amazing

[@EldenKaz]

No full priced video game should have micro transactions, either you have DLC or nothing. Make it free to play if you’re asking for more of my money to have fun with the video game. Greed is getting crazy.

[@ODDiSEE_]

I think the way I would have approached the stage interactions is not change how they where working, but apply additional scaling when they are utilized. That way it isnt as 2-3 touch, but you get to keep all the cool flashy creativity.

[@nerooyeye2196]

That actually seems like a better solution than what they did

[@newphonewhodis7152]

I think people misunderstand that flashiness and cool looking stuff one of the pillars of this Genre is. If it makes less dmg but looks cool, ill still strive to make it happen

[@twistedgambit9084]

13:20

[@twistedgambit9084]

​@@newphonewhodis7152STRIVE 😂😂😂😂

[@newphonewhodis7152]

@@twistedgambit9084

[@95hue]

Harada...what have you done...

[@unclepaul1995]

Stop Asking Harada for Shit. Harada hate Peoples asking Him for Shit.

[@yatheo2969]

MURRAYS VISION

[@Black_Aces]

*Mr.Krabs voice* Money!

[@unclepaul1995]

@@Black_Aces Namco is Mr.Krabs, Capcom is Mr.Krabs, Disney is Mr.Krabs, I’M MR.KRABS! Is there any more Mr.Krabs I should Know about?

[@hitmanholla5929]

was wonderin why the game felt weird as fuck lol back to SF6 I guess

[@luping9941]

Enjoy playing the worst battle pass SF6

[@maximumdeejay]

@@luping9941 Enjoy being on Harada's nuts like you always are.

[@shrunkenderp]

The fact that they did the battle pass AND the store is extra egregious. One was bad enough, but thwn they had the nerve to not only do both, but undercooked each on in it's own unique and shitty way

[@shinzero0271]

While I agree, most games that use Battlepasses for cosmetic things do it alongside a store as well. It gets worse when they add multiple in game currencies that can only be purchased in packs that ensure you either have to spend more than the actual cost of the one item you want and the remained of the currency generally won't be enough for another item you want so you'll have to do it again.

[@shrunkenderp]

@@shinzero0271yeah but those games are usually free. The triple dipping is wild to me

[@TheAmazinglyAdequate]

As someone who plays mainly offline, this is miserable. I understand they want people online but it really feels like I’m not getting the full game for how I want to play.

[@catkaboodle]

Why? You already have the full game. This is just extraneous bullshit added by Namco after the game sold millions of copies and proved it was a hot commodity. It is meaningless vapor that nobody needs.

[@SquashMelendez]

@@catkaboodlethank you. Like a new hat does nothing to the game

[@CaptainTitforce]

​@@SquashMelendez Then why sell it? Why not just give it to everyone for free or not release it at all if it does nothing.

[@M_CFV]

@@catkaboodle because they clearly ripped things out of the base game to sell to you, like eye colors.

[@catkaboodle]

@@M_CFV Eye colors are meaningless vapor. They are not a mandatory part of any character creator. However, a lot of customizers demand their existence and will pay as much money as they "need" to for the colors they want, so Bamco has decided to make bank off them.

[@DaviddeBergerac]

Bamco sent me on a roller coaster of emotions when I saw eddy was out, and then I saw the battle pass and my good mood was slapped down like a drunk parent hitting their baby

[@Burning_Typhoon]

The issue with Tekken 8, is that there's too much flashiness. Heat bursts, heat dash, wall splats, floor breaks, wall breaks, balcony breaks, etc. The activations on some of these things should be toned down a bit, I agree. But, the issue is, like what everyone is saying is visual consistency and clarity.

[@leithaziz2716]

If you were to ask me what's the best Battlepass implemented in a game, my answer would be Deep Rock Galactic. They're all free and the content in them later gets put into rewards for certain missions so you don't have to worry about missing out.

[@FlyXcur]

Mine would be halo infinite there is no fomo cause you choose which battle pass you want to work towards with an unlimited amount of time to finish it

[@Spacecommando619]

Helldivers 2 is also fair

[@sophiacole61]

Cod and Fortnite they give you the option to buy tiers and have option to grind it really fast

[@SquashMelendez]

@@sophiacole61you have to buy the pass though

[@babytricep437]

@@FlyXcurMCC is the same but not as fomo/greedy. MCC is how every battle pass should be

[@alextygesen3101]

Remember when Harada tweeted that costumization pieces from other games aren't just a "port them over" issue? Which is mighty ironic since everything in the battle pass is ported from Tekken 7. If it wasn't that easy then why are you recreating the same items for the 3rd time instead of actually making something new that isn't just "stock sweater"? They even charge you money to use a literally untextured ball and things PORTED FROM SOULCALIBUR. Bamco and Harada are a joke, they want to make money but don't want to put in any effort.

[@unclepaul1995]

Stop Asking Harada for Shit!

[@sky-oq5mr]

Alot of Tekken 7 stuff was just tag 2 items. Tekken 7 did the same bullshit practices

[@drdiabetesv]

All I want is be able to customize Kuma has a care bear

[@Xrhstaras27]

80$ game that you need to buy 3-4 more dlcs to have the full roster of the game now asks for more money for some battle pass shit. Nah, im gonna pass.

[@dannyboots]

You're gonna battle pass

[@Xrhstaras27]

@@dannyboots 🤣🤣🤣You know whats funny? I thought of writing exactly that. But my comment was supposed to be serious so i left it aside.

[@TheRealKingTGP]

A $70+ game with a shop in game along with season pass for dlc characters and now a battle pass for limited time cosmetics. Ngl I think I’m done with fighting games for now lol

[@emperormegaman3856]

I think maybe there are good indie options that don't have this stuff out there.

[@Hero5slayer]

If u got something to say about the game. I'll genuinely listen. Most people who complain about the game just complain. But you actually take the time to check and figure out what's happening lol

[@crescenteclipse6467]

Well said

[@treezy7593]

💯

[@zombieeightpack1381]

I am so, SO fucking sick and tired of having every single fighting game discussion video on KZbin be reduced down to “T8 IS KILLING SF6” or “BLAZBLUE WAS ALWAYS TRASH (AND HERE’S WHY)” It’s the most boring, disingenuous bullshit. It’s anti-content, anti-entertainment. Should be outlawed.

[@jeice2226]

​​@@zombieeightpack1381The landscape in entertainment nowadays (including video games) almost requires people to make clickbaity, bad faith takes in order to express their opinions. Otherwise, you'll be ignored for having the "wrong" viewpoint.

[@TheRealAhoy]

​@@zombieeightpack1381It's a tabloid mentality

[@dangerouslysafe3]

In my opinion, Battle Passes don't have any business being in a fighting game. Period.

[@OverBlackSands]

Throws are very Soul Calibur-y because they brought in devs from SC to work on Tekken 8. Big reason why Yoshi feels a lot more Soul Calibur-y too!

[@mattmanley7118]

Monetization … Monetization is happening.. All after the stellar review period. How convenient 😢

[@thejedioutcast804]

Apart of me is mad that this is happening, but another part of me is semi happy that this is happening. So many bozos on discord told me that T8 was going to " save us from SF6. " SF6 is alive and well. And with Akuma and Season 2 coming soon? The future looks bright.

[@ghostwaterjones5187]

I think that in the example with Bryan and Kuma, the stage hazard still activated because Kuma hit the wall mid-combo, resetting hazard activation. Maybe.

[@Demimatrix]

Ohh …oh noo..no ..not the battle pass missing treasure battle

[@GregInTechnicolor]

"Paying 10 dollars to spend 6 dollars" is probably the thing that bugs the most about modern gaming...

[@Kasaaz]

Unintuitive is the word everyone is looking for in regard to the stage hazards.

[@frankiecedeno3724]

I have played only ONE game that had a good battle pass and that was Borderlands 3. Part of the Season 2 DLC pass you got 3 battle passes that released over the course of a few months. They are permanent and you can switch between them freely. There’s a lot of dumb cosmetics but severely cool pieces of gear as well. It’s through a through a reward system for those ride or die people you play the game every day. It’s great it applies to your account so every character you make has access to it, no complaints especially since I got it as part of a DLC bundle.

[@sniperkilla4322]

Don’t buy the pass boys hold strong. 💪

[@DBTHEPLUG]

Too late

[@yamatosama6028]

Agreed, though what is even there there to buy? Is not like you get much content anyways but some specific character customization

[@DBTHEPLUG]

@yamatosama6028 He's probably part of an echo chamber. He's just running with the opinion of others that this isn't acceptable because they're holding back content (from earlier games) to resell it to you later. Meanwhile, Tekken 8 came out with a bunch of characters from older Tekken games missing, with them having the probability of being resold to you later down the line. So, they were perfectly fine supporting this practice by purchasing Tekken 8, but now expect YOU & ME. To adhere to their standards by stopping where they drew the line? Hell to the no, my line hasn't been crossed yet.

[@DBTHEPLUG]

@yamatosama6028 But that's the problem with echo chambers, you don't think for yourself and instead echo the opinions of others. If the opinion doesn't make any logical sense, you'll end up looking like a joke, since you aren't able to have a logical discussion about it, since logic wasn't used to come up with that opinion to begin with. That's why most of these people I try to have a logical discussion with end up name-calling and ignoring me afterwards.

[@steel5897]

@@DBTHEPLUG you have no idea how bad this type of thing can get. Once it gets past a certain point in the outrage, you'll get people who don't play the game, never had any interest in playing the game, and never will play the game, being VERY VOCAL about things they don't know anything about. They just echo bad takes and often literal lies they heard from others because they have, and bear with me here, social FOMO on the outrage bandwagon. That is hard for me to even type.

[@blacklite911]

If they wanna nerf the floor and wall break stuff, just make the damage scaling after those things higher

[@sky-oq5mr]

It's already low. Stop touching shit. Everyone loved the game when it first dropped, why tf would you change what won us over. I stopped at Tekken king. Too much pluggers getting rewarded and it's pissing me off as well. Then I can't watch replays to learn Eddy if I don't own him? Fuck that.

[@olidvr7799]

Love seeing you play Tekken 8 Dood, keep it up!

[@SilentAndy]

I'm complaining about it. A game u pay $70+ for (ESPECIALLY if u buy deluxe or ultimate editions) should NOT have battle passes. Also, as a single-player / offline only player, this system sucks and doesn't give u anything. I'm tired of these fighting games putting battle passes. I want character outfits, stages, and actual good customization items. Same for SF6 (minus customization of course).

[@Edzter]

ah yes, fighting games now experiencing the bullshit that other games have been for years. You love to see it

[@unclepaul1995]

And Yet, Harada Said Don’t asked Me for Shit. Gotta love Harada.

[@steel5897]

You must be young. Street Fighter x Tekken was one of the earliest and largest controversies of scummy DLC practices, back when DLC was a relatively new thing, not just in fighting games but overall, it made headlines. In the 90s too when it was popular to re-release barely updated version of the same game, Capcom was by FAR the worst at it with their 500 versions of Street Fighter 2.

[@unclepaul1995]

@@steel5897 Re-Release, DLC, and Now Battle Passes. Issues that just won’t go away.

[@clumsyturtle8544]

@@unclepaul1995 But Harada asks for all our money.

[@Edzter]

@@steel5897 I hardly played fighting games outside of my cousins ps1-4 (tekken 3-5, kof 98) and the arcades until like 2020 so I wouldn't know, I'm just going by the experience of other games that have been doing this for almost 10 years on basically everything, vs fighting games who, to what I've seen (dbfz, dnf duel), haven't done this to that extent YET.

[@NessOnett8]

I'd honestly rather have "useless" battle passes than "good" ones. Because battle passes, overall, suck as a concept. So I'd rather be able to pretend they don't exist than feel forced into grinding it for stuff I'd actually want. It's very clear to me that the people making these games don't want these battle passes. But executives are forcing them to add them as a monetization checklist. So they're making them bad on purpose to fulfill their requirement while trying to minimize the issues with battlepasses. So don't buy them and keep complaining about them.

[@PKMyhel]

There should be a hit limit on the walls and floors similar to GGS at up 2 or 3 hits on wall before the wall breaks and maybe floor hazard go off after 2 grounding hits. For breakable walls and floors with zero explosions there should be no impact damage when you go through it and for explosive wall and floor damage is added in as if it part of the combo itself so nerfs itself in combo strings.

[@StiffAftermath]

So, activating a floor state (that deactivates the floor interaction), then follow up a combo into a wall interaction, the wall interaction will also be deactivated? Nice.

[@deadnameisdead]

The battlepass was for me my last straw, I paid for the ultimate edition and was okay kinda with the ingame shop BUT NOW A BATTLEPASS WHERE BAMCO SAY PLEASE PAY AGAIN FOR ITEMS THAT WERE FREE IN TEKKEN 7 No sorry, I don't have the money.... F this game

[@RealsleepyAC]

You know you don't have to buy the battle pass right like there's no gun to your head telling you to buy it

[@_loss_]

​@@RealsleepyAC The fact that you think you hit the net with this one

[@shinanimedubs1269]

@@RealsleepyAChe's not being inclined to even purchase the battle pass lol. he's saying the company is making this game suck by selling you shit that should have been in the game day one. it is lazy and not a good look. you wouldn't see a reaction like this if the battle pass featured new stuff that people actually wanted

[@RealsleepyAC]

@@_loss_ I didn't think I hit anything I was just staying a fact

[@RealsleepyAC]

@@_loss_ you might this think I hit something but everything I said was the truth

[@FlaccidJoe]

Thanks for giving rumbleverse a reference lol god I miss that game

[@FightAllThyEnemies]

Granblue Fantasy Versus Rising IS actually doing it perfectly

[@thathomiefox]

Wish it came to Xbox so Xbox users could enjoy 😭

[@mormegil84]

How? They have FOMO battle passes too. If you miss the BP, you'll never be able to get the costumes in the future.

[@TheCrimsonCat89]

This is what capcom and Bamco need to do if they want to do "battle passes" 1. One kind of in-game currency that can easily be earned by playing both single player and online content; BY PLAYING THE GAME. 2. Costumes and battle pass content can be earned by playing the game and using the in-game currency. 3. when battle pass is done: its in the shop to be bought with in game currency. 4. costumes and dlc can be unlocked or bought. 5. If people want to buy the in-game currency, they can. Guilty Gear Strive takes the W here. It just has a season pass for characters and stages. The colors can be bought in the psn store. All the shit in the game can be unlocked by playing the game and using World Dollars to fish for them, and theyre not using battle passes.

[@thechugg4372]

...yet. remember the same devs made granblue versus, one of the first fg to have a battle pass

[@TheNeon-rh4kk]

They're looking at the wrong games to study how battlepasses become worth the money, Instead they should look at the one game that popularized it & see how they still made it worth the price for the last 6 years. Max should revisit Fortnite if he ever wants to make an opinion on how to make FG passes better.

[@channelhorror1174]

Great take

[@dhantefranklin336]

Nice.

[@shawnfee9107]

or they could take a page out of Helldivers 2's playbook and make ways to earn the paid portion of the BP by playing the game AND by removing the FOMO of an expiring BP.

[@sunnymane]

Fair enough

[@theperians]

That Eddy Thumbnail legit has Meme Material

[@rainierzx9677]

Mama Mia, I think im in love 😩

[@theperians]

@@rainierzx9677 ?

[@dandan3045]

Imagine a game launching so damn well....and then gets progressively worse with updates when it should be getting better with each update.

[@Dr.RojoMcDelly]

29:54 I couldn’t agree more with you there. The first and only character I learned at launch was victor because I’m an eddy player ( who finally got him ) and I would have people message me even after beating me by cheesing or normally and say “you’re victor you deserve it. He’s cheese”. Like bro…

[@omegaweapon116]

I've been an Eddy player since Tekken 3. I picked him up yesterday, started practicing with him, seeing what old moves he still has, good lord....he's almost a whole different character now. Actually, I feel like he's almost too good in this game.

[@travismarxo2836]

No one wants the fomo and pay for a battle pass in a paid game for some cool shit, let's be honest. I'd personally be pissed if cool, classic costumes were locked behind a battle pass.

[@Omnirok12]

this, i prefer battle pass items being low effort shit that you can ignore instead of timegating full skins.

[@WakeUpUniverse66]

My Xbox live just expired. What a wonderful day to UNINSTALL TEKKEN 8...

[@johnodaz1273]

Really cool Video Max. This Latest Patch has definitely got alot of Playing in a head spin at the mo.

[@thecoolguyman587]

46:44 probably my favorite part of the video and a very clear cut through a lot pf the online noise

[@bradyonetta]

never buying a fighting game on launch again after Street Fighter 6, Mortal Kombat 1, and Tekken 8 have all tried this shit

[@cyrusskpsm7142]

BEFORE: BUYING A GAME AND ALL UNLOCKING BY PLAYING GAME NOW: BUYING A GAME WITH BUYING EVERYTHING TO COMPLETE UNLOCK THE GAME *MICROTRANSACTION SERIOUSLY KILLING THE ENTIRE GAMING COMMUNITY*

[@kgeo2686]

For G sync you need G sync on in the nvidia control panel for full screen and windowed. You also need v sync on in control panel or you will have tearing above monitor refresh rate. Then you want v sync off in game.

[@Destinedhellfire]

My issues with Eddy, as a new player to Tekken 8: He was available for ranked right out of the gate, even before he was general access; this ties into my second issue, you can't even practice against him in dojo mode unless you pay the money to unlock the character... meaning if you don't spend the money, you are stuck just queuing into Eddy matches and hoping you learn fast enough. Which to a veteran fighting game player, sure that's understandable to expect... but to new fighting game players that is a huge turn off and leads to frustrations that will cause people to turn away from the game.

[@nerooyeye2196]

Max really described a lot of tekken players well when he said "they hate most of the characters on the roster and like their character ". Also, i understand how max feels about people bitching about his character cuz i play hwoarang and lars

[@dongoyo584]

Tbf if you play Hwoarang, the hate is warranted😂

[@nerooyeye2196]

@@dongoyo584 bruh😭

[@maximumdeejay]

​@@dongoyo584 That's not being fair. See? You're doing the same thing he just talked about.

[@eulnav_93]

As a Hwoarang main since T3, I feel your pain. Peeps just get tired of getting sat on all the time, lol.

[@dongoyo584]

@@maximumdeejay After you fight against Hwoarang 7 times in a row in ranked and they all do the same thing, you start hating him lmao. Thats why everyone hates Hwoarang