RATE THE COSTUMES: Marvel Rivals

[@DarkOverlord96]

"Blue and yellow doesn't work." - Max, a *CAPCOM* fan.

[@julio1148]

LMAO

[@patrickli7894]

… for star lords costume. Its giving regal so I agree

[@julio1148]

@@patrickli7894 the joke is about the capcom logo

[@tkm1875]

The blue and gold is technically his original color scheme in the comics. Max gotta do research.😂

[@thelastthingyoulleversee]

AND wolverine fan

[@ExoGrimz]

Max continuing the running gag of insulting the hair of any character that vaguely looks like him lol

[@RichardLester]

He telling on himself

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Like Wolverine?

[@GmNdWtchr96]

Projection

[@ExoGrimz]

@@fernandozavaletabustos205 Adam Warlock and Troubleshooter (from DNF Duel) lol

[@MidtierGod890]

Hes definitely gonna play off screen

[@a.gss7714]

Think he already has on stream

[@Drexxyl]

He played on screen, he's not a fan, lol.

[@kyle2481]

He tried about 3 games and said he had fun but that it wasn't for him. He doesn't like cooldowns

[@gamemax1049]

Also playing Rankeds when no one can see him

[@GrizzGrizzGrizz]

He sucks

[@athernandez666]

Bro really said a dude wearing jeans, a red t-shirt and a paper bag on his head is overcomplicated.

[@None38389]

Compare to the classic spiderman suit it kind of is.

[@SsjHokage]

Those jeans were way over complicated

[@bigkahuna6798]

bro also said Dr.strange’s cloak was too big…forgetting that it was ALWAYS that big, even from MVC3. Max has some nuclear takes lol

[@bootao1671]

​@@None38389 i guess let's just release 500 different recolored classic spiderman suit then?

[@enzoponce1881]

​@@SsjHokagehonestly when i look to those pants i think of kim's pants and it instantly bumps my rating 1 point above (and the paper bag is hilarious)

[@eduardosgg]

This whole video summarized: "Overcomplicated don't like it" "Overcomplicated but good"

[@Sauxeaholic]

Also: “Simple dont like it” “Simple but good”

[@bui3415]

It doesn't contradict because it's said in a way that implies that despite it being over complicated, which remains a flaw, it still manages to do something good.

[@user-gk6nt5gi5n]

Both can be true guys

[@yayothejowen2541]

Both things can happen. Its just a matter of how a design is executed

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

I had a better time watching TBSkyen, Crimentia / Matt McMuscles and Kinkymation's videos about the characters design.

[@GPismymom]

Stranges cape literally HAS sentience

[@RoyalKnightVIII]

That was an invention of the movies tho

[@DieHard1912]

@@RoyalKnightVIII And? they literally still use the idea in the what if series... Also some of the characters have movie skins in the game 💀

[@SsjHokage]

Your mom has sentience

[@SoraRaida]

Not in the comics. It's not that sentient.

[@Silvaaar]

@@SoraRaida its 1 for 1 like that in the comics

[@justice5752]

Take a shot everytime Max says overcomplicated

[@athernandez666]

I'd be dead

[@sanctityninja9345]

@@athernandez666🪦

[@cblawk]

Literally getting straight up alcohol poisoning

[@ronaldwatts3367]

Bro such an underrated comment. Lmao 😭 🤣 😭

[@5-Volt]

To be fair, a lot of the characters have overdone redesigns in this game.

[@captainfirefeet]

I bust out laughing as Venom is doing all this cool stuff in the background and Max is trying to find fault in the design 😭

[@CS08129]

And the hate for the updated Space Knight look

[@samuraibeluga3749]

@@CS08129 space knight does objectively suck, even agent venom is more appealing. it basically stops being venom and its just some random buff armored space dude. boring and generic as shit.

[@samuraibeluga3749]

"this is really good" yeall really be trying to paint it like he hated it huh?....

[@CS08129]

@@samuraibeluga3749 eh I like the fact they made it more armored. Goes with the whole "Space Knight" name. Plus it's honestly more unique then the comic version

[@samuraibeluga3749]

@@CS08129 i aint gonna argue tastes, not really intending on shitting on anyones cake, but to me it just simply isnt venom.

[@Zepherr1337]

This is one of the times i can say max had alot of bad takes.

[@KaleRylan]

I don't agree with some of his takes here, but one thing I do agree with him is that this is an art style where when it hits, it hits, and when it doesn't, it really doesn't.

[@jencopy1239]

He literally dogs on the guys with armor ans glazed every girl skin

[@ThugLifeMarcus]

He's a design expert now that he's worked on a fan mod, don't ya know?

[@KaleRylan]

@jencopy1239 I mean, half the guys in armor look bad, so that makes sense. Half the males in this are just WIDE, and not in a good way, and a bunch of them DO have overcomplicated power rangers armor. Cap really has no business being in baby iron man armor The girls on the other hand tend to have simpler, sleeker outfits. (So they can show off their curves but the end result is the same)

[@nomorepartiezz]

Max has such weird taste. Psylocke default outfit - “WHOAHHH DUDE LASER BUTTERFLY SCARF THEY’RE REALLY PANDERING TO ME HERE” Psylocke default outfit - “uhhh basic ninja leotard but the neck is slightly altered? Eughhh, it’s so over complicated, they’re doing way too much here.” Like what lol

[@cheesecakejojo]

I kind of understand what he means. The scarf is pretty simple and nice to look at, while the neck holes are unnecessary and are just there to make it look like a butterfly. Although, I think the alt skin does look better than the default.

[@vinniegret4841]

You cant denonuce for objectivism in subjective topic of taste.

[@Amirifiz]

He's a big Strider fan, her base outfit is literally Strider

[@Shine3rection]

Almost to the point that it felt like he was looking for reasons to give things lower scores.

[@redninja3056]

​@@vinniegret4841you absolutely can if their inconsistent

[@AspireAndInspire]

Max's insistence that he's never going to play this game feels like hardcore foreshadowing that he's going to eventually break and play this game

[@LelouchRika]

He tried it for 3 matches. It wasn't for him and he just wishes it was a fighting game.

[@thefullmetaltitan9732]

@LelouchRika Ironically I love this kind of game much more than fighting games. I love Max’s dedication to the genre but I’ve tried and failed so many times to get into that type of game fully.

[@AspireAndInspire]

@@LelouchRika That tracks. It's not for everyone.

[@darrylaz3570]

​@@LelouchRikaIronically the same way the general public dismisses fighting games for being "too complicated"

[@sclopiopeepio]

@@LelouchRikayeah he’s kinda bubbled himself and doesn’t give games like this any real chance. I’ve come to realize this game is more of a fan service marvel experience rather than just a game. It has its own story and lore, and I foresee it having an ending rather than going on forever like most live service games.

[@TrueTrickster2016]

Max has.. intresting tastes.

[@leia.astroc]

Interesting indeed

[@GirthCheck]

He clearly likes very simple outfits and these devs like to really be "creative". The closer they look to mvc characters the better the score 😂

[@Cookietriangle]

bro loves the color red and blonde hair

[@sherkecringemonger9872]

​​@@Cookietrianglei wonder why😂😂

[@cj6498]

@@GirthCheck A simple look is a clean look. That said, you can be creative AND clean. A lot of the designs in this game can be a bit... Noisy.

[@Sleepyhead080808]

26:47 "That coat has grown sentience and you need to control it." I mean, yeah, that's kinda Dr. Strange's thing lol

[@Jeffmetal42]

Weird he said that considering he's a Spawn fan.

[@SoraRaida]

Not in the comics though. MCU Cloak is full sentient.

[@Essu_]

@@SoraRaida Most people playing this are coming off of the MCU though, and the devs know this.. So most people...assume it's still sentient.

[@SoraRaida]

@@Essu_ Which bugs me because they have an issue with Max's statement when their own comment is wrong too

[@chidaluokoro9104]

​@@SoraRaidathey aren't tho it is his thing in the MCU

[@GhengisJohn]

Max I feel the need to point out the psylocke alt skin's hair cut is a traditional Japanese cut that's still pretty popular today called the "hime cut" in the west. You're free to not like it but I give the team props for that little extra dash of cultural infusion.

[@twistedgambit9084]

It's ironic because he literally has an Asian wife.

[@NANINani-wg6df]

@@twistedgambit9084 Asian isnt synonymous with Japanese

[@emildespair2358]

cuz he is no man of culture

[@TheDragonRuler-]

It's literally her hairstyle in the comics lmao

[@balthasargelt7904]

Boa Hancock ahh haircut

[@Yeetbc]

The reason the visual style and complexity varies greatly is bc some of the characters are explicitly from the future, Black Widow and Cap being the two main examples. You can think of some of them as 2099 versions of the characters

[@flashergoldpower15]

Ahh so that's why those interactions make some sense in game

[@OmegaxStarr]

I give Max's tastes 7 out of 10

[@gamemax1049]

6/10 for me The way he disrespected the best looking Venom since Spider-Man 2 and Agent Venom. Come on dude!

[@Seighart]

@@gamemax1049 fr fr man

[@Shobu556]

idk...it seemed a bit overcomplicated if you ask me

[@Sauxeaholic]

I give it a 4-5/10 ngl judging seemed to over complicated

[@lolpop7799]

​​​​​@@MechaMan2012 i mean these character designs arent just for expert character designers to look at, the whole point is to appeal to consumers because if they dont like it then there goes 99% of your player base. i like most of the designs but saying "you need to be an EXPERT on character designing to understand why theyre good" would mean that they did a shitty job with the designs

[@spiderdued0423]

14:22 Max giving my boy moon knight a 9/10 what I like to see thank you

[@DenzWukai]

Max skipping Anti-Venom broke my heart.

[@zootzoot667]

he looked at it later, said it was amazing

[@ThyPegasussy]

​@@zootzoot667he did not say it was amazing. He said, "it's literally just a recolor I don't care"

[@andresarenas776]

He did said that he liked anti-venom after checking it with more detail

[@vinniegret4841]

@@ThyPegasussy He said it's really cool even if a recolor. *LATER* In that stream, comoooon.... Reading comprehension.

[@TheShadesOfBlack]

It really needs the attack animations to be white imo

[@tthom5468]

Never let bro cook again…

[@lordpookie]

he burnt the kitchen down

[@Zangelin]

​@@lordpookiehe always does.

[@ForeverImmortal198]

Ya know, i'm starting to think that maybe Max's opinions are the ones that are 'over complicated"

[@jerrellmackall4653]

Everyones impression of Squirrel Girl.... "Damn she is thicc"

[@HanDaimond]

Wrong franchise, but *this is the way.*

[@brandonyoung7156]

She thiccer than Wolverine's sideburns

[@pineappleotaij3498]

“Rate it you freak.”

[@hollowbrinethehollowfiedsu6365]

Well she needs to get everyone's nuts

[@jasonsantiago6308]

She is

[@StriderHoang]

Max’s view of “This doesn’t feel like the character” raises a discussion because where ARE we judging it from? Max has very specific tastes and opinions of the different Venom designs, but he has less to go for characters he’s unfamiliar. Particularly I liked that run of Cap when he got lost in the Savage Lands with a kid sidekick and I feel that’s what his He-Man costume is referencing. Sure it doesn’t FEEL like Cap based on who Cap is 99% of the time but in fighting games we’d normally mark out on weird and niche costume references like Phoenix Wright’s college outfit or Cyber Akuma: outfits that feel out of left field but are deep cuts.

[@Clamfaced]

Theres also the case of "This doesn't feel like the character" comments were all towards the costumes directly lifted from the comics or movies.

[@twangy_juice8126]

@@Clamfaced "blue and yellow doesn't work" meanwhile, the original star-lord outfit color scheme...

[@gamemax1049]

@@StriderHoang Maximilian "If it's not MVC1 then is trash" Dood Ladies and Gentlemen

[@EinDose]

I think Captain America's a good example with this one, because of exactly what he said: if they just had a Regular Captain America outfit it'd be fine, because the rest all feel like alts on an original that's not actually there; they'd be fun different takes, but without the original being there they lose something. Which I kind of understand, I like that this is a multiversal story that they're really leaning into that with, but sometimes you want to pick Iron Man without there being an asterisk next to it. And hell, some of those weird takes aren't weird enough: if 2099 Captain America is just 'regular Cap but with a laser shield', why are we even here?

[@Gabe600]

Gladiator Captain America is actually from the 2015 Secret Wars one of the many tie ins and his sidekick is the Devil Dinossaur.

[@HotlineMok]

"Yea... I just think this Iron Fist design crosses over to much into the Shang-Chi territory"... ... ... ... Boy, do I have bad news for you about the actual canon lore of Iron Fist...

[@Seighart]

Does he know? I doubt he does lmao

[@Subpar1O1]

What's the lore? I really thought it was Shang Chi but apparently it's Swordmaster who became the new Iron Fist?

[@Gabe600]

@Subpar1O1 yes, Lie Lin was introduced as Sword Master and then his sword broke and it's shards got stuck on his arms and he became the new Iron Fist after Danny lost his powers

[@gamerzilla6113]

And Danny died in comics August of this year

[@changsiah2]

@@gamerzilla6113 comic book characters come back every other week ( except for Uncle Ben or from invincible)

[@grandmasterlu9091]

“Iron fist 6/10 looks like he’s crossing over into Shang Chi stuff.” Dude this iteration of Iron Fist was literally trained by Shang Chi 😂😂😂

[@rossvaljr.3852]

Magik’s punk goth design literally cemented her as one of Marvel’s top mutants, popularity-wise. It was already perfect, and Marvel Rivals made it even better. I also find it funny that Marvel tried to distance her from that design back in 2022, like they literally made an entire storyline just to change her outfit only to revert back recently to her punk goth outfit because of how timeless and iconic it is for her character.

[@DTDplays]

When you change perfection, you have to change it back.

[@KaleRylan]

I'm sorry to fans, because I know some of her oldest fans like that plot for having her finally come to terms with her past, but that's just not how these characters work. When a character runs on being edgy, you don't get to get rid of the edge.

[@ChildlikeMan]

Wolverine going Super Saiyan is my favorite part of this game

[@Iwillone]

More like Kaioken

[@ChildlikeMan]

@Iwillone yeah I thought that too, at first, but his hair gets bigger like Super Saiyan does

[@ChildlikeMan]

@Iwillone also Super Saiyan is just funnier to me

[@leithaziz2716]

"So Long Bub!" "KAIOKEN 20X!"

[@TheKirBoi]

@@ChildlikeMan So like... a super kaioken?

[@jerrunholt5571]

Coolest thing ever: exist Max: eh....too many line 6/10

[@invaderpez12]

*looks like Strider* 11/10.

[@proboscisguy]

​@@invaderpez12on that end is he wrong?

[@samuraibeluga3749]

opinions exist.... crazy huh?

[@Chunkium]

@@samuraibeluga3749 we can still make fun of bad opinions

[@Tvdvidro]

Meh if you're talking about Spider-man I will have to agree with him, he's full of unnecessary lines and stuff

[@tristancampbell4941]

There are so many times where I see concept art for a character that doesn't get into the final game or fan creations of costumes and this game kinda reminds me of those pieces. I love it

[@excuseuEw]

I have the same feeling, felt like the artist locked in and no disney CEO had to hold them back.

[@Khann_2102]

Dude the artist cooked hard, who's the lead artist or designer of this game?

[@tristancampbell4941]

@@Khann_2102 It gave me the names Dino Ma (Art Director) and Peach Momoko. I could be wrong, though

[@Khann_2102]

@@tristancampbell4941 The problem is I can't find Dino Ma's socials

[@grimfin3214]

What ungodly mixture of comics familiarity do you have to have to not know who Magik is but somehow know The Maxx

[@olligator92]

I feel like Max didn’t really consider why some designs aspects are there and what they represent. For exemple Magneto’s armor being roughed up and having lines in the metal going everywhere is probably because his armor was probably made of metal from a random building he decimated and he doesn’t care about looking clean or what others think of him as long as he can achieve his goals.

[@soppe2931]

This one, u're absolutely right, sometimes i think lore benefits the design more, and I hope he sees that. But sometimes max's opinion is from him not knowing most of the stuff, even he acknowledge the venom space skin lore but still didnt like it.

[@KaleRylan]

@@soppe2931 Agreed. I think sometimes you need to appreciate a costume BECAUSE it's meant to be a very different one-off, like Cap's barbarian costume. Literally no one is saying 'that's cap,' so saying it's a bad cap costume cause it's not cap is kind of missing the point. That said, as much as I prefer Agent Venom for the most part, I did always feel the space knight venom was a mistake. It was bringing flash's venom too close to eddie's venom visually while still not being Eddie's venom. Kind of worst of all worlds. I personally think it hastened the end of Flash's tenure as venom, for which I'll always downgrade it a bit.

[@supernet94]

from this video, what i got from Max's taste is mostly rule of cool with a big like on ninja/samurai, while complete distaste for anything medievial with or without fantasy looking

[@shadowking6905]

Max when a character has more then 2 colors or 2 pieces of clothing: 🤢

[@SMTenacity]

Someone show him the Concord designs

[@shadowking6905]

@ 😂

[@Donomite_]

*than

[@shaggysweetness]

Interesting to see someone who isn't really into Marvel and such opinions on the skins, but I'm in the same situation and think almost all of them look incredible.

[@Knull-ug3mi]

Max is into marvel. Where did you get that from? He doesn't like that the game is a hero shooter. He wants it to be a fighting game

[@ZariLutus]

@@Knull-ug3mi he's into Marvel VS CAPCOM. I wouldn't say he knows that much about Marvel in general outside of it and some of the movies. Maybe some x-men

[@Knull-ug3mi]

@@ZariLutus he does know especially x-men

[@budanico]

@@Knull-ug3mi False LOL. He didn't even knew who Magik was. Guy never touched an X-Men comic in his life and it shows.

[@camron147]

​@@Knull-ug3mi Max has openly said on a multitude of times that he doesnt know even half as much about Marvel as he does Capcom

[@88WearyExile]

One of the few times I almost completely disagree with Max.

[@Pancake699]

same he really was just unfair in some

[@AndreyGP]

I agree with almost every single one of them

[@dominiqueodom3099]

Goddamn max Is such a negative presence with these costumes.

[@muovikallo]

Take a shot every time Max gives a character a 6/10.

[@leia.astroc]

@muovikallo i'd be in the ICU before i even finish the video

[@kaioken301]

We'd all be done a quarter into the video

[@Macgyver145]

Take a shot every time Max skips a costume.

[@bui3415]

@@Macgyver145 Recolors don't count

[@kalebdunaway]

18:14 Luna Snow is not Colossus’ sister, Magik is.

[@agungsatria8593]

L chat 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@SoraRaida]

I think chat should've mentioned Magik in that sentence. When the comment is slow, people would think the chat was talking about Luna while it's obviously for Magik

[@TadpoleJackson]

God I was like she's Korean HELP

[@leithaziz2716]

I corrected him later in chat. He knows, don't worry.

[@Melancthon7332]

I don't understand how you can have read ANY X-Men comics in your life and not know who Magik is.

[@invaderpez12]

Can't say I agree with all of Max's takes on the costumes. Especially when he says that certain costumes don't "look/feel like the character" when they're not supposed to be. Like Gladiator Cap ISN'T regular cap, its him from another universe, so it wouldn't look like him.

[@None38389]

I would go as far as saying gladiator cap looking like He-Man IS the selling point.

[@Paulmacellaro]

Right but in a video game especially a competitive one you should be able to see what character you’re fighting from across the map and I feel like w some of the skins in this game you really can’t tell

[@letyrox2709]

​@@Paulmacellaro Yeah Im sure most gamers mistake a dude running around with a big ass shield, which he's throwing in your face, for Venom or Spider-Man. If you lack the ability to differentiate characters because they are wearing skins, you should not play it competitively in the first place.

[@soppe2931]

@@Paulmacellaro This is not a good argument, most hero shooter have specific movement, abilities, these makes up for who they are, not skin. Look at kiriko deku's skin, i would've mistake her as tracer or juno, but somehow her holding piece of paper around and move in "ninja" way clearly shows who she is.

[@eboi255]

Yea the only character I think this is a thing for is Magneto, bc in the game I genuinely thought it was Ultron who isn't even in the game (yet)

[@Legendary231]

I think Max doesn't realize the game takes place in the 2099verse.

[@bui3415]

Irrelevant in assessing style. "lets add future stuff cause its the future" whatever that means

[@gamemax1049]

@@bui3415 Of course because adding a fucking Dimetrodon, the first Olympic Games and the Spanish Inquisition in my 2099 futuristic setting makes more sense

[@soppe2931]

@@bui3415 there's a reason 2099 is the future and need a future design, its not weird it make sense, modern looks modern, old looks old thats it

[@nspade9252]

@@soppe2931 It's not about looking futuristic, it's about looking overly busy. Some of the designs are definitely distracting with where the "loudest" elements draw attention to

[@Braxenimos]

Coolest outfit in the game "Yeah ill give it a six"

[@youngdolph8867]

He doesn't like when the skins make the character off model, but that's the point off skins. lol max fell off

[@bui3415]

Which is cool?

[@crazygamer4260]

​@youngdolph8867 yeah like I'd rather new takes that kinda go wild than just "here's the classic spiderman outfit again"

[@Braxenimos]

@@bui3415 Mantis and Magik

[@nihilityv]

@@Braxenimos Magiks skin is pretty mid tho. It is literally just a white armor, meanwhile her base look is god amazing

[@redwolfe7049]

I definitely have a Storm bias but her designs are 10/10. Always loved Mohawk Storm.

[@jasongarrett768]

Mohawk Storm was the Storm I grew up with via backissues. Always the best. But this takes it up a notch by working music appreciation into the punk look’s animation. Always felt like that part of her wild side didn’t get enough attention. Love it.

[@bladerah]

Watched this live. I fear Max’s nostalgia got the better of him here. Like I don’t understand why the Psylocke skin needed to be a 1 to 1 to traditional Psylocke but the default skin was praised due to it resembling two of his fav capcom characters He would constantly state how cool a character looked but then in the same breath say he didn’t like the design. He generalizing a bunch of them as WoW like because (Magik) and kept defaulting to 6/10s because he didn’t love one or two elements of a design.

[@leia.astroc]

Yeah, this video is pretty much Max' version of Fantano's "MBDTF is a 6/10" edit: comma (,)

[@hueyfreeman9094]

This is an aspect of his reviews I don't quite understand, there's more to this like official material, fandom, and knowledge, than simple designs

[@SolidSnake240]

Some of them are definitely a little over designed but I like most of them.

[@ZariLutus]

I also felt like he didn't fully understand the entire point of alternate skins in games like this. He's like "this alternate costume doesn't feel like the original character." Like...yeah? That's the point sometimes? I don't think people would be happy if every single skin was similar to the base skin design with minor changes. Like he praised psylocke's default, which is an entirely different version of the character just because it resembled capcom characters he liked, but he shit on other cool skins that were NOT the defaults because they "didn't look like the original character design"

[@dbaglee4497]

Its just his opinion and score dude, it makes sense to him; Those small details he didn't like? Thats a -2 each for him What do you not understand? It is just his personal taste, whether anybody considers it a good take or not.

[@UnSaxon51]

The frame focus at 39:30 is such an unbelievable editor choice and I applaud you for it.

[@bistyb00]

u cant yap about everyones skins being "over complicated" then give moonknight a 9 lmao. bro has the most complicated skin in the game

[@rezarhd86]

I think he meant for overcomplicated design, is your eyes don't have immediate rest point due to busy elements of the costume. Meanwhile moonknight,s is overall white and your eyes can rest properly on any part of the costume.

[@bistyb00]

@ his mask and chest are the only good parts, the rest of the suit is all completely unnecessary. i think the only thing that carries that fit is the mask. without it people would prolly think its ass

[@johndinner4418]

No he doesn't lol

[@KaleRylan]

I mean, it's just white body armor. It's not that complicated.

[@bistyb00]

@ i could say that about like 70% of the characters he said was complicated lol

[@RatrixGlory]

Max, another thing about almost every costume: They are references to other works that Marvel has done, under each paragraph tells you when each costume was first seen and where

[@thekwanch]

I'd argue a skin becoming "complicated" doesn't mean it gets worse, imo

[@tyrant3191]

complicated costumes get worse when you think about the fact that it's supposed to be clothing and combat suit. take magneto for example, pretty simple overall, just some slightly busy lines that don't need to be there and the whole crowning of his helmet feels extra but not horrible. then you notice a lil dangling like key chain on his right chest, what is that? why is that there? what purpose does it serve? it doesn't add anything to the look, it's probably annoying to hear when he walks or flys. it's unnecessarily complicated for the sake of being complex

[@RaptorPegasus]

There's a very fine line between complicated and overdesigned. Captain America's default suit is (in my opinion) overdesigned and very busy, but I love his Galactic Talon suit.

[@samuraibeluga3749]

theres is such a thing as visual noise. its always gonna be subjective but to me for example, i agree it really can ruin potentially good designs. its also gets to a point where you add so much shit it loses the iconography of the character itself.

[@leithaziz2716]

A more powerful design is one where your eye doesn't have to focus on too many things at once. For a simple example, look at Superman or Batman. The logo on their chest is the thing that draws towards your eye, and for Batman it's then the eyes. The rest of the costume is a clean blend of two colors. Guilty Gear Strive is a good philosophy of strong character design in my opinion if you wanna take inspiration. Especially when you compare it to older games.

[@bui3415]

Over complicated means something is added for complexity in meaningless ways in both utility and aesthetics, and actually become a detriment to the overall style.

[@eddvo6641]

"You can't appeal to my exact personal needs of character design." AKA: "My deep weebish needs'"

[@vitorroberto4790]

"I don't feel like this is Doctor Strange" you only know him from the movies and Marvel vs Capcom

[@gamemax1049]

For someone who's known for being a MVC Fanboy, he REALLY doesn't know his Marvel... Wait scratch that, he called himself a "Capcomhead" but yet he didn't finish Dead Rising Yep, he's a normie

[@vitorroberto4790]

@gamemax1049 I understand that he doesn't like Spider-Man's main costume in this game, but he doesn't like any of the others and even says that they are exaggerating with the Bag Man skin

[@funkybones]

​@gamemax1049 I think it's totally fair to not like Dead Rising, it's certainly out there for Capcom. And I don't see how that had to do with anything

[@bolthesorcerer3570]

I mean I know him from the comics and I think they made him too bulky

[@vitorroberto4790]

@@bolthesorcerer3570 they all are, but he talks as if the costumes don't suit them or something, there's the name and a simple description on the side and he doesn't even bother taking 2 seconds to read it and think better about what the costume wants to represent

[@sereyr716]

Max is such an old man now. "more than 2 colors? overcomplicated. A jean and a red shirt? overcomplicated. A butterfly in the classic psylocke outfit? overcomplicated. Hulk looks like every Hulk ever? Dont like it. Psylocke new outfit that is cool but really complicated? AWESOME IT LOOKS LIKE THE CHARACTERS I LIKED 30 YEARS AGO. The same old man vibes when he complained about Radahn having too much hair.

[@EthanWoods-l7r]

At this point a circle is over complicated

[@SmashBrosAssemble]

Jesus man, this art style would perfect for a Marvel vs. Capcom 4, I’m just imagining what Ryu or Strider or Mega Man would look like in this, it’d be Hype Rage.

[@DarkOverlord96]

Nah, these designs are clearly "Hero Shooter," keep them in this game. I'd rather have MVC sticking to comic designs.

[@hollowbrinethehollowfiedsu6365]

​@@DarkOverlord96aren't a lot of the alts comic based? As long as it is not only movie based I see no problem

[@kilik5713]

​@@DarkOverlord96 A lot of it is comic based no?

[@captainmega6310]

​@@DarkOverlord96 he's talking about the art style

[@captainmega6310]

​@@kilik5713 some yes, some no

[@thegaminglord2190]

Max be like "this Spider-Man design is overcomplicated, this skin is a 6 This hella design is overcomplicated, this skin is a 10"

[@cs4215_]

Yeah maybe max wasn’t the target audience for this😭

[@lolcrashy2831]

bro is impossible to please

[@xXSonTJXx]

Yeah your taste is definitely much different than mine 😂 The bias towards MvC is too powerful lol

[@xXSonTJXx]

And MK ninjas

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

For anyone interested, many of the characters skins revolve about the idea of the Multiverse. It is ok for them to feel and look weird.

[@RePlayQ]

What max fails to see is that fps games require larger and more defined silhouettes so that players can identify the enemy from a distance. Fighting games can be a bit more nuanced in character design, but I gotta tell it’s Dr Strange from 45 meters.

[@superjlk_9538]

3:25 McFarlane Venom is actually the venom with no big teeth he was just the black suit but buff and with a mouth. Larsen added the fangs

[@anarchistbunny3339]

you just sound dumb. stop talking.... you sound like you are drunk and dont know what da fook you are even saying... and no hes talking about hes Older design. you would know this if you were truly a marvel fan.. but you just sound like someone who only acts like he knows what hes saying.. just pleast stop talking and do some actual research. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@KhairoAetos]

Death, taxes, and Max mixing shit up.

[@CommandoANG3L0]

Is Max going to go the rest of his life thinking Luna Snow is Colossus’s sister when that’s Magik.

[@Spiritbomb88]

Ikr. Neither he nor his chat know what tf they are talking about 😂

[@LordlyWeeb]

​@Spiritbomb88 Chat knew what they were talking about, the message was just slow and he read it when he was on Luna.

[@KarucielDemonio]

His chat corrected it and he realized a few seconds after on stream they just cut that out for yt.

[@zanzion3873]

I don't think Max touches upon this but it looks like these alt skins are based off of designs from the comics. Under the flavor text for each skin you can find a "First Appears in..." that tells you where the skin originates from. Weird they didn't do that for some of the base designs, especially when some are clearly inspired by certain book's runs.

[@crazygamer4260]

Some but not all are listed to first appear in this game because I think the lore is most of the characters are from different dimensions/timelines than the comic versions.

[@darryljack6612]

Ladies and Gentlemen, We got him.

[@SuperJJParker]

Don't think so

[@theoutlawking9123]

@@SuperJJParker Nah, we do, you can tell he wants to play it, his Anti-shooter bias can't save him anymore 😆

[@TheRedMage01]

​@@theoutlawking9123 He played three matches on stream and said it was fun but it wasn't for him

[@UrbanNoizeMusic]

@@theoutlawking9123 He already has and isnt a fan.

[@WillyFresh92]

Rocket has Crash Bandicoot hair. Can't unsee it now.

[@grantgarbour]

That's actually so badass lmao

[@cidlunius1076]

15:10 For those of you that won't ever get this: this is a Rider Kick. Mantis is grasshopper themed and Kamen Riders are largely grasshopper themed transforming superheroes. Their finishing move is a flying kick that makes the villain explode, the Rider Kick.

[@gntyh]

extremely overdesigned and overcomplicated : 6/10 extremely overdesigned and overcomplicated (but looks like strider hiryu) : 10/10

[@escargoat8552]

Max just dislikes anything that's even remotely esoteric

[@smellybumfluff3243]

26:49 you can tell bro has only seen the MCU movies, that’s basically Dr. Strange’s design in the comics, and his cloak is literally sentient. Smh 🤦‍♂️ 🤣

[@somethingunusual7500]

looking at comic book costumes and saying “that doesn’t feel like this character”… it’s literally from the comics

[@sheldorf11]

"The coat has gained sentience" he says about Dr. Strange's sentient coat

[@EpsilonKnight2]

Also him complaining about the big outward collar is hilarious when that's been an iconic part of Strange's design literally forever, including in the versus games.

[@DeathsjesterKMNP]

Almost none of the costumes you claim are "over-complicated", actually are.

[@Stickguy101]

If you took a shot for every time he says the word "overcomplicated", you would be dead before you even hit the 5 minute mark

[@Clamfaced]

Character has an alt outfit where the design is directly lifted from one of their comic and movie outfits and is extremely accurate (e.g. Spider-Man's No Way Home Outfit) Max: "Ehh just doesn't really feel like them to me." 6/10 Like I dunno how you can get more Doctor Strange than one of Doctor Strange's actual outfits.

[@winterv.4715]

It’s funny cause spidey actually looked way worse before launch cause his back logo was also black it made him look way too blue when looking at him from behind. Despite it not being my favourite spider man design, I appreciate the fact that they fixed it a bit before releasing the game :)

[@AzN_Elevation]

For those who dont watch Max's streams, he's already played some games of Marvel rivals but lost interest in it quite fast. The hero shooter genre just isn't for him. Stuff like the cooldowns is something he didn't like. I cant remember what other critiques he had.

[@manbat4582]

Another one is about how the dynamic visuals didn't translate into gameplay which is comparatively muted. It's just the reality of 3rd person shooter in pvp games

[@leithaziz2716]

He goes about it more in-depth during stream, but games like this just makes him wish it was a fighting game instead. Because the dynamic presentation is moreso integrated into the actual gameplay in that genre. He values seeing his characters able to do cool stuff within the player's control.

[@lordpookie]

he wanted to spam moves? lol

[@Zangelin]

​@@lordpookieI mean yeah have you seen which fighting games he likes best?

[@chaing-kai-shek2862]

Could you imagine how hellish this game would be without cooldowns lol.

[@notRowan61]

One downside of the hawkeye rider outfit is that its purple (purple riders are known for being tragic

[@MetroBuumin]

Marvel characters looking the most creative/fresh they have in over a decade… Max: Ehhh 6/10

[@MATSUMATSURIKA]

why does he think this game is beneath him or something? he clearly wants to try it.

[@ZariLutus]

he really is acting towards hero shooters like most normies act towards fighting games lmao

[@None38389]

I think he have some bias against hero shooters, many gamers do.

[@shahs1221]

Nah sometimes certain genres just don't click. He's already played some games in Rivals on stream. It still didn't click so... oh well.

[@Henyo5566]

He isn't. He just not interested in that kind of game. There is this thing called preference. If he doesn't like it he doesn't. At be very least he tried playing a few Matches. Some people who really look down on other peoples stuff would just talk shite about it.

[@WafflesOWNz]

Bro doesn't like shooting games. I get him. Though he doesn't know the feeling of diving in on someone as wolverine and wailing on them until they die.

[@Gabriell1126]

Bro skipped multiple alter suits because he thought they were just recolored original ones 😢

[@Persephone_07]

19:25 “He’s not loyal to any flag, country, or set of ideals. He doesn’t flinch as torture, human trafficking, or genocide. He trades blood for money. He’s your new best friend.”

[@draketcarder]

Winter soldier is Spencer from umvc3

[@tyratooOP]

Love max. And while I agreed with him I think mostly a lot his opinions annoyed the shit out of me because a lot of it felt like at least in the video was obvious he doesn't know what some look like outside the movies or an era he liked that character in.

[@theoutlawking9123]

Need CYCLOPS in this game, he's practically Made for it, plus the X-Men need their Leader!

[@headshot217]

Yeah especially his Jim Lee costume

[@theoutlawking9123]

@headshot217 Yep, Classic Blue & Yellow, gotta have it!

[@rainbow_af3171]

I’m sure anyone is on the table .

[@theoutlawking9123]

@rainbow_af3171 Scott better be, it's already stupid not having the First X-Man, their Leader, in the game when so many other X-Men are, even their Villain Magneto. Not putting him in at all would be unforgivable.

[@headshot217]

@theoutlawking9123 agreed, especially because its a shooting game, he's practically made for it

[@stephanbelmont2944]

“I think its the worst hair I’ve ever seen” 39:33 *Editor zooms in on Max as he makes his glass house statement

[@RebelCityEejit]

Crazy how cool Clint looks in this game

[@marvthemartian001]

They need his classic look

[@hanyolo120]

One thing max doesn't understand is that the characters are pulled from different timelines so some characters are from the future which why they are "overdone" other skins are just references to there comics but he's entitled to his opinion

[@nickclark1815]

I feel like so many costume designs for Spider-Man try and “reinvent the wheel”, so to speak. All that usually happens is that it looks complicated and over-designed because Spidey’s costume already has a lot going on, so adding a lot more to try and stand out just falls flat imo.

[@lunadead]

Tbh, I find MR Spiderman less complicated than MCU Spiderman that adds more unnecessary small details onto his suit.

[@AirLancer]

This game's greatest achievement is making Hawkeye actually look cool. My main issue with Psylocke is while her default is a cool look, if you showed it to me without context I'd just think it's some random videogame ninja girl instead of Psylocke.

[@lunadead]

I mean fair since it's a Psylocke from one obscure one off series that has that design.

[@michaelwaring1028]

@@lunadead ^This. And to add to that, her classic costume is still in the game, so even if you don't like the Momoko redesign, you can just roll with that one.

[@xseptit]

outted yourself as a marvel casual fan with this one

[@splatterfrog4606]

Max knows nothing about Marvel outside of the MCU and MvC games. He didn't even know Magik existed until he saw her in this game and she's been one of the most popular X-Men since the 00's, but he calls himself an X-Men fan. He also didn't recognize anything from Planet Hulk or the other comics. Anyone watching him has to accept that his opinions of Marvel content basically never evolved beyond mid-90's games and a couple cartoons. I had to accept his limited understanding of Marvel back when the Avengers game came out and he had no idea why Hawkeye was just wearing a t-shirt and jeans. It was referencing one of the best Marvel comic runs of all time and Max didn't have a clue about it. He's casual af.

[@GameGod77]

What made you think he was a big marvel fan in the first place?

[@TheSsjJoker]

MOON KNIGHT IS 9/10 🔥 14:20 As for Mr knight I still love it, I get why the cape is there but they should of done it Batman beyond style tbh 🙏

[@invaderpez12]

Ive actually made a suggestion in the discord to the devs if they could make it so that the cap doesnt appear unless you glide, i love Mr Knight's design and that would be the cherry on top.

[@TheSsjJoker]

@ exactly, it would look so sick

[@Qeshen]

"That coat is sentient and you need to control it." "I think I would think the design is cool if it wasn't strange." Buddy. Pal. Friend. IT'S DOCTOR STRANGE. THOSE STATEMENTS ARE CORRECT, THAT IS THE POINT.

[@iAronn]

17:30 you have officially lost your license on giving design takes Max. Eldritch Armor Magik has to be top 3 most aesthetically pleasing designs in the game. IMO it clears and is top 1 no contest

[@AspireAndInspire]

So, I know there's this internal desire to see more Classic versions of some of these characters, but thematically, it's important to remember that this game (like a lot of Marvel properties right now) is heavily focused on Multiverse, and these being characters ripped from different worlds. Making everyone look OG would just be counterintuitive to the whole narrative. Hopefully we can at least get alternate costumes somewhere down the line that are more "accurate" (That being said, not a single person in this world ever asked for goddamn Captain Booster Gold)

[@SnipingIsFun]

We need a Danny Rand Iron Fist skin

[@AspireAndInspire]

@@SnipingIsFun Agreed. I totally get why the Chinese development team opted not to use Danny, but it should at least be an alt skin at some point.

[@RandomPerson-xi7jv]

Give me spider noir

[@Gabe600]

Also this game doesn't limit itself with mainstream characters and designs so there a bunch of choices that people see and think that are created for this game but are just stuff from the comics like Galacta, Sai Psylocke, Lin Lie Iron Fist and a bunch of skins.

[@crazygamer4260]

Like I understand the want for the classic skins but I'm all for new designs in a setting like this

[@Ryhan_Beard]

This and Matt uploading a "Crymetina Critiques" both in the same day for this game is too perfect. Love the Peach Momoko design for Psylocke. And of course JEFF.

[@knuckles543]

Jeff is overpowered he can eat your entire team (as a grab-type mechanic), waddle towards a ledge and throw you all off it even eats teammates, there is no way to struggle out of it and it lasts for ages (last ''event'' lasted a solid 7 seconds of walking towards the edge), you get eaten and if you don't have a mid air-jump/dash or flight you are screwed

[@bonk150]

the characters turning their head towards you when you rotate the models blew my BALLS off when i noticed it bro the presentation for this game needs to be studied

[@neroblack9116]

Magik is Collosus’ sister. She’s a mutant/demon sorceress born able to teleport across time/space and dimensions. She rules a plane of hell. But on another note, hope you do rate the supers on this.

[@dungeonmaster16]

29:20 others said the same. Think the issue is the shine to the armor being like when Bucky became captain America for a moment in the comics. His suit had that shine coating to it unlike what Steve got.

[@somethingunusual7500]

everything is over-complicated if it’s more than a spandex suit ig

[@Forte.in.G]

The pitchforks and torches were ready max, Jeff the goodest boy was the only correct answer.

[@flynnfarron]

Untrue, he rated Storm a 10/10 as she SHOULD be.

[@smellybumfluff3243]

So it’s either “too complicated” or “too generic” 🤣

[@hedgehoundable]

If you're a lover of the comics, I wager most of these alt costumes are solid 10s. If you're not... well then I guess you'd think some of these costumes don't do the characters justice lol.

[@GeneralTheritt]

Once in a blue moon Max will post a "Miss" video and this one is a really hard miss, because it shows just how used he is to MvC designs that anything from the comics to him is completely alien. Unless it's so popular Max knows it by literal exposure via the internet, it's not relevant to his tastes and he hits it with "Overcomplicated" or "This isn't it" despite barely even noticing that a lot of the skins specifically mention which comic they're referencing or its movie or Marvel rivals original. Some I kind of get like Cap, or Spiderman, but then you got hit with Hulk and all his good references and dude just went "its not MvC3 Hulk so its trash" and that's the epitome of "and I'm a fanboy purely through the fighting game".

[@DWFTW]

I dunno, I've never played MvC and something about that Hulk just looks off to me, not that I could tell you what. Like just because it's not MvC doesn't need to be why. Besides, he didn't rate it badly (he does use the full scale, only goes below 5 if he actually dislikes something though), just said he didn't like it which is perfectly fair. I probably have my own biases in how I like to see Hulk, first saw him in the 90s cartoon so maybe I end up leaning that way, who knows, but I don't like how he looks in this and it has nothing to do with MvC is all I'm saying.

[@nspade9252]

I see a lot of people talking like this and I don't understand it. Who cares where a specific design originated? Why should that make you like it more or less? Because yeah, some comic designs are really messy and overcomplicated, that would be true of the designs whether or not they were indeed first in a comic book.