Milwaukee-Eight Stage 4 VS Twin Cam 110 Stage 4 │Harley-Davidson Screamin' Eagle

Get a look at a detailed comparison of the new Milwaukee-Eight engine VS the old Twin Cam both built up to their max capabilities with Genuine Screamin' Eagle Parts. Take a look at the power graphs and see some "roll-on power" demonstrations. Matt Laidlaw gives his opinion on these two Performance builds.
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[@MattLaidlaw]

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[@fredgfysmith6171]

Great job on this vid, HD#1

[@jccortese1351]

Hey Matt, that 'Waukee sounds killer with the Stage IV installed! My son has a 2015 Street Glide with a Stage IV he installed soon after getting her home, & she has been a screaming machine ever since!!

[@TRIKSAXON]

Hey Matt, What camera were you using? The sound quality is phenomenal!

[@brianmaclennan5943]

Matt Laidlaw love your vids mate.

[@normanmatura6769]

Matt Laidlaw thank you so very much for making this videos answered so many of my questions and concerns I have a 2014 and considering upgrading but when the Milwaukee hates came out I was told don't even bother because the milwaukee-eight sore so much better however I've been looking at the tire shredder kit for my but wasn't really sure if it was worth the investment after watching your video I believe it is thanks once again

[@robertsammons3848]

I'm 52 started riding when I was 13 in Florida learned on a 1971 flh Harley. Now I live in Ohio. Have had Harley's, Kawasaki's, Honda's, Yamahas triumphs. People always downing different bikes,listen every bike is fun to ride I Don't care if it's a moped, two wheels is fun I love speed, love cruising so don't down another man's or woman's bike it's what you like in the wind two wheels forever, enjoy it while you can peace and adventure.

[@ozziejim8472]

Robert Sammons Well said dude, safe riding!

[@motomark9736]

I ride a VTX 110 cid

[@johnkolinoff8591]

Exactly!!

[@jimwortham8634]

This man is for Real does not matter what you ride

[@MrJoeyplatinum]

I have an 07 cvo dyna....lots of motor......nothing compares to a good 250cc motocross bike.....

[@jeangarnett9268]

Best KZbin roll-on demo of two hard hitting V-twins I've ever seen. At 74 years old I've done this sort of thing since the late 1950's and I take my hat off to you guys. Road looked a little crowded to be turning up the wick on those things but hey, you got to remember I was doing this sort of thing back when there wasn't much traffic anywhere ! Wish I could have been able to read your tachs while you ran them thru the gears. Once again, great demonstration of two strong motors. Makes me wish I was young again!

[@regfeener]

Man..That 110 hauls ass.. I thought the M8 would run away from it but that didn't look like the case at all..

[@MattLaidlaw]

Yea, it definitely didn’t run away. It was a close match up.

[@regfeener]

By the way.. The bars and the windscreen with the cutaways look really nice on the M8 Street Glide.. Nice..

[@gaddy8964]

Im really feeling the M8and what it comes with...but now Im thinking that same thing about the 110cc. Gonna have to go back to the drawing board now...🤔

[@seanbutler2291]

The m8 doesnt really have much more power, harley says the 107 has 10% more torque than the 103, id hope so with a higher ci engine, the 114 has 8% more torque than the 110, they put out what an additional 5-8hp compared to the old engine, the 4 valves are really just smoothening the bike out, with a lil extra power added. Im not surprised the twin cam held its own at all, we also dont know how much the two riders weigh in comparison to each other, it makes a world of difference.

[@therealDYL93]

10% more torque? Are you Sure? If so then 10% more torque must be a big deal from 0-60. Because I raced my brothers 103 vs my 107 and I burned him hard. And he's been riding way longer than me.... so I think the 107 is alot more powerful than the 103. The torque is nice.

[@YZracer110]

Both great engines! The Twin cam definitely held its own!

[@nolanring2067]

would love to see a stage 4 117TC vs stage 4 117M8 vid.

[@71donkrider]

I got 2017 ROAD GLIDE. I'd be dam if i spend a dime for speed. All those thousands for a fraction of a millimeter of improvement?? I'd just go back to crotch rockets if i wanna go fast...IMHO

[@Nico-Tito]

71donkrider the amount of money people spend on stage kits you could buy a decent crotch rocket and go twice as fast

[@marka1712]

I agree. I’ve still got my 99 Kawasaki zrx1100 with 44k miles and it’s slow by today’s standards but it will easily run away from my breakout. Stage 1 to get a better look and sound is as far as a Harley needs to go

[@BlownC52000]

@@marka1712 you guys are really comparing crotch rockets to Harleys? I have had both and currently have a Road Glide the reason people spend the money is we like the look and comfort of an AMERICAN MADE bagger but they lack HP so we will spend money to make it a more ballsy bike by Harley standards not so we can beat a ricer.... these guys are just showing the difference between the new Milwaukee and the twin cam...

[@GulfSouthGene]

I didn't expect that 110 to be that strong, wow!

[@physiciansassist1]

I've got one in my road king. Great motor

[@freebehindbars8654]

A 107 with an aftermarket cam and good tune produces more for thousands less. That stage 4 doesn’t make sense per dollar.

[@Bush72455]

I got a 2011 screaming eagle CVO ultra limited which had the cam upgrade full exhaust upgrade air cleaner upgrade with no big deal but she's cranking out just shy of 100 horses and just shy of 110 ft lb of torque and that thing is a monster I love it

[@cinghialemannaro76]

that's too bad, the day looked sunny and fine and yet you caught a cloud on your tachometer at 8:10 :)

[@diegoescudero3094]

I never could see Francesco !! È fatto a posta !!!

[@awittypilot8961]

By the way Matt...the new transmission SERIOUSLY BLOWS the TC trans away! Smooth shifting and NO clunking changing gears....WAY better design and I LOVE the hydraulic clutch. If you ask me you shouldn't even thing of comparing the new scoot with the old ones.....Harley FINALLY got it right all the way around....thanks again! My new Street Glide makes me have bug stains! I can live with that!

[@MattLaidlaw]

Yea, speed isn’t everything (although it’s high on the list). There are a lot of factors to consider. Starter is better, runs cooler, better fly wheels and crank, breaths better, better suited for performance upgrades, better charging system. Etc etc. the M8 is just better all around engine.

[@ekuut181]

So spend 25-30 k + on a new bike just to have to put 5k in upgrades in it to get better performance? Shouldn't that come stock? Fuck harley.

[@kenmcindoe6366]

I have watched this video about 10 times already. Then I thought Wow! Matt and crew just took the world on a wicked fun tricked out Harley ride into the setting sun in California ! HOW COOL IS THAT?????

[@MattLaidlaw]

Haha. Thanks man. I think people are enjoying this video. I’ll have to do more like this.

[@kenmcindoe6366]

Matt Laidlaw Yes!!! Please! !!

[@doublemusketchugger]

$4,000+ EXTRA to make a $25,000+ bike with an 1800+cc motor make 100hp? I like Harleys but that's ridiculous IMO

[@markj6506]

Exactly. I have a 2019 electra glide. Need i say more.

[@jameswise170]

Harleys dont sell hp dumbass. Never has. Never will. Why? Because hp is useless. Hp is not making you go fast. Harley sells TQ. Tq wins races. Tq is what makes you move. Tq is the only thing important.

[@zacharysmith2983]

@@jameswise170 that just isn't how it works. I wont waste time explaining why, but it just isn't.

[@jameswise170]

@@ChristianJHosbach they dont stupid ass. Hp is tq. To make any hp you have to make more tq. Its common sense. No engine can make hp without twisting( tq= twisting force)

[@Tberg725]

@@jameswise170 tq gets you off the line HP pulls you up top

[@freedom6919741]

Looks like the M8 is getting smoked by the TC ?

[@gordiehattrick]

Sure looked like it to me. The old Twin Cam smoked it....

[@jaipo]

Hi Matt, great video as always, my 2017 RGS in the shop just now going to 114 stage 3, dealer has flashed it using a download that removes the speed governor so I will let you know how it goes. I am in Scotland though and it’s around 28 degrees here at the moment so you might have to wait until March 😃 I’m taking this bike to Prague for the 115 Anniversary Rally and that will include some autobahn travel 😈

[@WolfinWolvesClothing713]

John Porter why did you go stage 3 instead of 4?

[@jaipo]

NINJA DAVIDSON to retain Harley torque characteristics and not push all the power to high revs

[@WolfinWolvesClothing713]

Ahh. I see. I'm waiting for my new rgs with stage 4. Just wondered.

[@karlc8359]

Yes the low end torque is wonderful. That is real power.

[@stugg]

Yep, the older bike not only held it's own, looks like it was a bit quicker. That's nice to know :)

[@MatlockMoto]

FIRST! [my life is complete, I happened to open my KZbin app right when Matt uploaded a new video. Lol] Your videos are DA BOMB, Matt. I relied on them for purchasing both of my first two bikes. 👍🏽😎👍🏽

[@MattLaidlaw]

Haha yes!!!!

[@thomascampbell763]

Looks like That 110 out works the 114. Definitely doesn't hurt my feelings for getting a twin cam over an m8, Minuse a couple features lol

[@roberttorres9194]

I just recently got rid of my 18’ rgs 107. Sucked. Just picked up the 16’ CVO Prostreet Breakout 110Tc. Night and day different with twin cam. Much better stop light to stop light torque and speed

[@2hotFL]

Like the power characteristics of the TC stage IV better.

[@fredgfysmith6171]

2hotFL agreed, i have two feet of snow. I've watched this vid four times so far today, i think it's gonna be my go to ride fix for the winter.

[@matthewrudland9513]

100% agree. Not too sure I'd be riding much above 5000 - 5500 anyway. Torque is where the fun is...

[@cubedmack]

I am about 3.5 yrs late watching this video but, dam that twin cam was either side by side or pulling from the M8. Didn't expect to see that. Great video.

[@dazdncnfusd6447]

Matt, my 16 SGS is currently at the dealer, having a Tire Shredder kit installed. I'm currently in Afghanistan, and set to come home in about 10 days. I cannot wait. Watching this video makes me even more excited to get my bike back. I'm throwing some color matched AdvanBlack extended bags and a Cobra 2-1 pipe on it too. Awesome vid, sir. Looked like an absolute blast. As Blockhead would say..."This one time in Mexico..." LOLOL Shiny side up!

[@jimscycleandautotn8508]

Total opsec failure right there.

[@Choppersrule06]

I’ve been thinking about buying a Milwaukee 8 but after watching this vid my mind is changing.

[@mr1noticeable]

Brad M. Lol why change of mind ?

[@porkchopspapi5757]

Yeah, no kidding.

[@patricksowers8157]

Great video Matt. I work overseas for 90 days and home for 30. I ride a SGS M8 S4. Nice to see a video of bikers just riding and listening to the sounds of the bikes. Keep it up.

[@jumpinjack92030]

hardly moving motorcycles are slow, heavy, ill handling, overpriced piles of shit

[@bloodstockvip2176]

Currently having the shredder kit fitted to my breakout 103, can't wait. Thanks for the videos, all good and fair plus impartial...

[@keystonedaytrip238]

Bloodstock VIP I'm envious 👍 I have a '17 Breakout , I'm entertaining the idea of a shredder myself. B safe

[@craigkemmerzell5741]

A Zippers 110 muscle kit would have killed you both real bad 😊

[@TheTripleDubya]

Hats of to the twin cam, I have a slightly tuned 103 myself but that new Road King Special just speaks to me, 114 kit will make it just right.

[@samduran6964]

Thanks for making such informative and interesting tubes. I love my 115th FLHTK-ANV, but at the same time don’t think these bikes are made to race. Although my original Milwaukee 8 gives me enough power to ride around 110 mph on hwy easily, it’s HP is nothing compared to such racing monster bikes as ZX14, which I used to own for a few years. This is coz whatever modifications you make on your HD’s engine, its body, frame, and style is not designed to accelerate like an aerodynamic sport bike. I love my Harley coz it’s a super comfy bike and it roars like a lion. And that’s all about it

[@rodx5571]

as i told so many SAYING YOU HAVE THE FASTEST ROAD KING IN TOWN IS LIKE SAYING YOU ARE THE SMARTEST KID IN CLASS WITH DOWNS SYNDROME!!!!I am a life long Harley owner, I currently have an early twin cam, i have a power commander and slightly steeper cams, not for the reasons you may think. The steeper cams are because i put a TIMING CHAIN ELIMINATOR in it for reliability, Had to do the power commander to tweak the computer to adjust for the different cams. There is no reason to spend 25 grand on a bike then spend another 10 grand to make it faster. Harleys are not sport bikes and when hot rodded break. Want a fast bike? Get a Hyabusa or an R1 or a Ninja.

[@SuperSnallygaster]

I don't understand your argument? Of course these aren't as fast as sports bikes. And if your wife wanted a good looking, successful guy she wouldn't have married you. If you like HD touring bikes for what they are, but want more power, this is a perfectly reasonable option.

[@divejumpshooter6947]

Thanks for playing- we were all wondering what you thought about this video and issue. I feel complete now.

[@occyman]

Next time you should do the old trick where one rider does three hits on the horn to determine the "start" for the roll on races - that way your both on it at the right time. I would probably give this "win" slightly to the old bike.

[@SuperSnallygaster]

Hey Matt, this is one of my favorite videos of yours. Quick question - how well do these kits hold up over time?

[@scrumthebum2451]

Twin cam walked away 👍

[@tommymchone5403]

Dude, quit letting up on the throttle, pin it back, hold it there, and grab your gears. Your r's are dropping too much and taking you out of the power band.

[@timbarnett3898]

Real nice ride, love paint too! If mine wasn't 100 anniv I'd do paint job like this, but I want to keep this bike stock paint! I found an amazing horsepower in a bottle way back in 1989, I taught math, so I've been researching bike performance numbers, very interesting subject!

[@HarleyBreakoutGuy]

Wait till you have to make a warranty claim - it's all very well and good for Harley when customers spend $10,000 on mods but when shits hit he fan they will tell you to take a hike as in my case they blamed my quiet baffles for cooking the engine and told me to get lost or pay $3000 for repair bills. They told me because i paid for stage 5 my engine is considered a race engine so i do not have warranty on my brand new 2017 Harley Breakout. I bought 5 brand new Harleys since 2013 and spent over $100,000 on bikes parts and services - you wont get my business again Harley ! Do not ever buy your Harleys at Frasers Motorcycles in Dianella Perth WA Australia.

[@CactusJack252]

Harley Davidson Breakout Ducati Panigale 1299 go to another Harley dealer. Harley has to prove that your muffler baffles destroyed your engine. They won’t be able to prove it. If worse comes to worse get a lawyer involved.

[@seanbutler2291]

For the love of god man!!! Why didnt you stop after 50k???? You could buy 10 japanese cruisers that would destroy any stage 5 harley stock. And if u look at the right ones youll get everything a harley has and more, same sounding exhaust, single pin crank isnt just a harley thing, metal fenders also not just a harley thing, and quite a few of them are made here in the USA.

[@elroyrivers597]

I have seen used Harleys for 3000 and 4000 . You must be rich.

[@stevek8829]

@@seanbutler2291 he said Australia. Why hype US made? Oh, you didn't read.

[@seanbutler2291]

@@stevek8829 your comment literally means nothing and makes no sense...... seems more like you didnt read, cuz iv never hyped american made in my life dick.

[@RTOutdoors]

Love that sound.

[@JayRay61]

Nice video and commentary Matt! Interesting comments too....For what it's worth, I wanted to say that I appreciate ALL two wheelers. I've been riding for 40 plus years on over 23 bikes (please don't judge lol). At 16 I had purchased 3 bikes including my first Kawasaki Triple 2 stroke... wow it was a machine to be reckoned with. From there it was everything from Dual Purpose Hondas to Husqvarna motocross to Sport Touring Adventure. My first bike with a driveshaft; a brand new 1982 Suzuki GS650. For the last 2 or 3 years I've started to really slow down when riding public streets and have taken a much different approach to riding than when I was in my teens, 20's, 30's and even 40's. Hence the purchase of my first HD - an 08 Fatboy. Yes, it's true and my wife still can't believe I bought one. I'm enjoying the brand history of that nostalgic styling and relaxing cruising that it gives when we tour around the river and unpopulated country roads. However, when I was younger I hated those bikes - passed many of them "noisy things"...lol. Now I'm just about to purchase another - 09 Road King for those touring needs. The HD brand is one that I really didn't know much about and ignored. Now that I'm more aware I have a different appreciation and it has given us another aspect of motorcycling. We dated on bikes as teens and now still enjoy them, just at a much slower pace. Point I like to make is that we should all be open to the various motorcycle trends / ideas and embrace the open air in our faces; respect each others ideas of a good ride on a nice curvy road or a straight wide one...Life is short, keep the rubber side down!

[@jaquenthlamonte5683]

Wonder what all those cagers in both lanes were thinking as y'all blasted past them. The real men were feeling it, the women were soaked in awe and the snowflakes melted! Yea, you damn right that was a Harley that roared by!

[@MattLaidlaw]

Haha. 👍🏻 I love it.

[@jaquenthlamonte5683]

Most definitely this is one of the best roll-on videos ever. I watched again about 10 times already this morning playing on my TV with surround sound. DAMN!!!! THAT EXHAUST SOUNDS AWESOME!!!! I know it's not even close to what it sounds like in person but damn. Motivated me to get off the fence and start looking at Stage kits and exhaust.

[@smiley4288]

Jaquenth LaMonte that read like poetry, nice one !!! 😎

[@jumpinjack92030]

hardly moving motorcycle co

[@sekoivu]

troll

[@tonydman9930]

Great video as per usual Matt. I noticed these bikes appear to have some fault issues, throttling these glides appear to cause condensation in the speedo gauge. 🤔 Cheers from Australia again Matt👍

[@MattLaidlaw]

Yea, it’s weird. The condensation seems to get thicker at higher speeds. Definitely a warranty item we’ll need to take care of.

[@chrisblake1918]

;)

[@marcelduchesne6550]

Tony Duman / b(7

[@xstraightxedgexdadx2149]

Nice work as usual. Thank you for putting out videos with the things people really want and need to know about these bikes good or bad as you see it, and not just trying to sell paint, chrome and bullshit. As much as I'd like to have seen bikes on a dyno initially, but also understanding the cost and time it would take... the factory performance specs in your usual format with some seat of the pants dyno, same solid commentary and more aggressive riding noise make the video informative, helpful towards making a purchase, and even more enjoyable. Kill confirmed on the twin cam. Lol. That M8 sounds SO good through those mufflers. If Harley Davidson hadn't began to update anything in the last few years I'd STILL be openly trashing them for mushy suspension and coat hanger frames wrapped in plastic that stink of poor tuning and leak oil.

[@rlsjunior797]

Lol Harleys haven’t leaked oil in over 40 years since the AMF days.

[@deliciousromp185]

lol! I love how the speedo is blurred during the roll on acceleration “testing.”

[@MattLaidlaw]

The gauge mists up when you get going fast for some reason.

[@61espo]

You can't beat Laidlaws sales and service... i've been dealing with them since the early 90s and never had a problem! everything they promise they always deliver on!

[@MattLaidlaw]

Thanks for your business sir.

[@dennism103]

They do have a excellent reputation.

[@JohnnyRebKy]

I personally think the Twin Cams sound better. It's not a knock against the M8...just my personal feelings. If I buy a new bike in next couple years it will probably be a M8 107 despite my feelings on sound.

[@jeffmalz7103]

Milwaukee 8 doesnt sound like a Harley

[@elroyrivers597]

Maybe they realized the engine had to change to go forward.One piston prevents the other piston from exelerating unless they change degree like a Ducati. Not all v8 are the same in cars. some v almost look horizontal.

[@hahnuh706]

Stock exhaust

[@dennism103]

Ur wrong.

[@jameswise170]

Every m8 ive ever heard sounds way better than a tc. M8 has the best sound of a harley.

[@barguerpi5966]

Don't know which one is more powerful but the vid made me go out and ride. Thx Matt for the inspiration

[@MattLaidlaw]

You’re welcome. Enjoy my friend

[@alexdiersen]

Hey Matt. I love your videos and can't wait for the next one. I will be 15 at the end of the month and I inherited a 1987 Sportster 883 from my dad. I can tip-toe the bike just fine at 5'4, but can't reach the kickstand which is placed further forward. Does that come with height, or should I put the weight of the bike onto my right leg and bring up kick stand with my left? Any input is helpful.

[@Nasty4664]

Thank you so much for this video. It really helped a lot. I am currently deployed and thinking of things to do before I return. I have a 2012 Electra Glide. I do have a question maybe you can help me with. Do you have any info say with this stage IV kit a Cobra Neighbor haters vs. the SVT Boneshakers ?

[@poet99999]

Funny thing about that 2 valve vs 4 valve, of course the twin cam falls on its face in high rpm, it can't breathe. No matter the cam profile. But yeah, the milwaukee is a better platform, about time Harley joined the present tech

[@darkoflight4938]

Excellent, highly informative highway rippin´vid there bud´. Looked like much fun! Keep em´coming sir!

[@hunteroftruth4986]

Nice bikes but I'll stick with my 103 Electra Glide Stage 1 with Reinhardt's. If I wanted to just go fast I would go back to my old FZ1 at 145 ponies with a 165 top end. Oh and it only weighed 450lbs! It would really suck your eye balls back in your head! Oh and your traffic really SUCKS!

[@brettleisy356]

HD REALLY regulates their SE set ups. matching bikes you can reach stage 4 screaming eagle levels at stage 2. heck I had a 2003 VTX that had better numbers than this 110 had with just stage one. HD is now putting out 1200cc adventuring bikes that put out these kind of numbers but their touring bikes are still gutless. if they didnt cut corners so much on manufacturing we should be having closer to 115TQ and 105ish HP off of the showroom floor. their air flow, and AFR, and about everything is set at 80% of potential so when it all gets added up you are missing lots of potential. imo, go to the real after market stuff to build the bike, lasts longer and runs better.

[@garymoore3497]

I'm looking at quotes to fix the engine heat problem for 103 and larger HD motors ; from a couple of business firms down under ; using ceramics. It would be the only way I would ever consider buying that 2019 Deluxe. I not buying the "the will void the warranty" when most HD dealers ; like Doc Harley ; tend to find excuses to void the factory warranty regardless. We throw out factory tin-plated cam bearing and primary chain assembly, as these parts also designed to fail. We also replace the BCM module with third party replacement, so we can still start the motor........

[@markbradley1727]

Matt is a good guy and I've bought a bike from him but if you own an M8 (I have a 2017 CVO stage 2, 2018 Fatbob stage 4 & 2019 CVO stage 3) these kits are a colossal waste of money. Stock oil pump design flaws, head bolt failures and plastic tappet guides et. al. will strand you beside the road days after the warranty expires and neither the dealer or H corporate will tell you about the problems.

[@mrvwbug4423]

If you look at the power graphs there is a huge increase even under the curve, you're getting more power everywhere with these kits. 2600 to get the power output these bikes should be putting out from the factory. Also damn that M8 sounds good.

[@live2ridetheflames727]

I gotta say the gains in HP and TQ are pretty weak for both bikes. Spending 5K for 20-25 hp tq, thats embarrassing. Zippers Performance, Tman, S&S have killer kits for same money and much more power. I get it Harley stuff doesnt void warranty but come on. Just wait till warranty is over and have some real fun!!!!

[@jeepmudslut25]

Love how u speed and blur out how fast ur going! Makes my day

[@MattLaidlaw]

Glad I could make your day more enjoyable

[@zeke7142003]

The M8 has more potential for power. The 4 valve heads flow better and don't require high lift cams to get good power.

[@charliewright4840]

Was looking to get a Milwaukee 8 but for $ 40 grand then put a stage kit for $6 more. I think will just buil an after markit bike an it will be done at $25k to $30k and S&S has a 106cc flat head a knuckle head, pan head, shovel head or big bore 124, 128, & 143cc Harley is droped the ball. When my 96cc in the 09 cross bone gose out i will set an S&S in it an still ride it too. I wanted a new bike but all Harley has is new prices.

[@bckhntr8292]

Looks like the twin cam held its own...

[@MattLaidlaw]

Yea it did

[@7ludig]

Matt Laidlaw I'm getting a 2018 CVO Limited. Is it worth the extra cash to get the Stage IV, even thou it already comes with a 117???

[@johnnysokko6533]

no, its not, 117 is plenty

[@ninjadadPrime]

I thought the twin cam won

[@timnorthern1734]

Low end torque...H.D is good for other than that not so much my buddy that rides with me has the stage 4 set up on his glide .. and I smoke him everytime with my Victory XC. No cams just power commander Lloyds air filter and turning wheel..no shade just Facts.

[@scot_irsh]

Cool video and all. Now it's been a few years since I've been in so- cal but really k-earth 101 ? And you're doing this on the 10 freeway in Baldwin Park? It doesn't look like there has been any improvements on that damn road, in fact it looks worse. Has there been any improvements on any Hwy or is it all just fk up now?

[@hughellis9169]

Hey guys try winding it up some more! I often ride my Harley chopper at around 130mph or 210kmph on roads like this with similar traffic flow. Naked bike no crashbars etc. flying my cut with bare arms. Not sure what speed you guys were doing, but it didn't impress me sorry.

[@ihatesjws669]

😂😅 105/104 out of a 110 kit. Screaming chicken parts suck bad. Side note awesome job endangering the lives of families on the freeway at those speeds. Where's a tire blow out when you need one

[@warrendemartini6533]

With a 4 1/2 in stroke it’s not enought to get the full power and have to ride at higher rpms. The twin cam yeah the stroke sucks but I’d bet it last lot longer that a medium stroke 4 1/2... 4 5/8 or 4 3/4 stroke look out Kawasaki’s make sure u change the lifters every 20,000 miles if u want that stroker to last.

[@nomargins]

Hey so I've heard you say the stage 4 is governed at 120mph and I've also heard you say it's governed at 110mph has something changed. Before I had got any Stages on my 2017 Road Glide I couldn't get it past 110mph. At stock are the bikes governed.

[@ababbit7461]

I have been riding since 1974. Have owned over 40 bikes (all larger street bikes, no dirt bikes). I see one thing all the time and it makes me smile. People take a bike that is meant to do one thing and try to turn it into something that does another thing. At the age of 60, I decided I wanted to ride fast, so I bought a Kawasaki ZX12R, a CBR1000RR, a TL1000S, a K1200RS and a K1200R Sport. Of course, I have owned a few Harleys, in fact, I have a Road King CVO 103 and a Softail Heritage Springer (Evo 80 in) in my garage right now. I also have a Goldwing 1500SE in my garage right now that keeps my Triumph Thunderbird 1600 ABS company. Trying to turn a Harley into a "speed demon" is a joke. Trying to turn a ZX12R into a Tourer is laughable. Trying to turn a Goldwing 1500 into a canyon carver will get you killed. Tour on the Goldwing, cruise on the Springer and T-bird, ride two up with your wife on the Road King. Buy the bike that fits what you want it to do and if you want to change that "to do" buy another bike that fits your new "to do" way of riding. You want a "kick in the pants" at 80 mph, buy a Vmax. You want 0-60, buy a BMW K1200R Sport "They's fast Uncle Jed", as Jethro would say. I bought my ZX12R for $2800, which is the price of the parts alone on those Harleys and they still would lose to that ZX12R (Had it up to 185 mph going to Pyramid Lake outside of Sparks, NV, just past the BLM wild horses). Remember, horse people know best. They ride Clydesdales at the Triple Crown, they ride Throughbreds at the barrel racing, they ride - oh wait, maybe they do it different.... Buy the right bike from the beginning and you will be happier in life. Stop putting saddle bags on a Sportster! Sportsters are meant to carry your wallet only. If you want to tour, cruise, canyon carve or canyon carve while touring, then save your money for you are going to be 60 years old some day and look in the mirror and say, "You are a Bike Whore!" Not a bad thing to be!

[@MattLaidlaw]

Well said. So basically make sure you can afford 10 bikes and just get one for every situation. Got it. 😜.

[@ababbit7461]

Matt, that is why I buy used and I am a mechanic. I fix bikes (all kinds) and have been doing so since there were spark advance mechanisms on Harleys. That is the key to a lot of bikes. I am by no means rich. And yes, I have owned as many as 10 bikes in my garage at once (my wife started riding after 25 years on back so I had to add to the stable). Don't buy the $30,000 Harley Road King CVO 103, I bought my used on with 5,000 miles on it in 2017 for $6,000 (just like new). I will keep it for a year or two and sell it for $8000. The bike is showroom perfect. It is all in the waiting game of "Bike Whordom!" Only bought 1 new bike in my life. A 1975 Kawasaki Z900 when I came back from a tour on the Korean DMZ, I bought it in Fairfield, CA. Peace brother.

[@elroyrivers597]

He works for Harley.

[@RoadKing05FLHR]

Lol

[@danterwilson]

Just sold my ZX-12R and bought a Street Glide. Your comments are words of wisdom and have the ring of truth to them. Well said!

[@knarfggor]

Can't see adding aftermarket products on 1930's warmed over technology from HD. Just purchase the 2020 Indian Challenger or any Indian product for that matter and you are still better off with reliability and performance!

[@jimwortham8634]

It always amazes me when people spend twenty-five $30,000 on a bike and had to put five more Grand in it to make and I am an HD man luckily I own a couple of the bikes 115 horsepower with no stage anyting

[@danielmitchell1971]

So how did you make that kind of power

[@jimwortham8634]

@@danielmitchell1971 I bought a new Honda Valkyrie

[@garydarden6048]

Matt ...great job again...appreciate your passion and expertise. My question is that I am hearing that with the rollout with Milwaukee 8 engine on the New Softails Harley Davidson dealers are enforcing the warranty on third party exhaust systems. Meaning “Slip-Ons” are the only pipes allowed...anything else will void your warranty. I have always replaced stock HD exhaust head pipes with a complete exhaust system ....typically Rineheart or Vance & Hines with a tuner and Dyno. Could you talk about this in a future video ...... and what options we have...of slip-On’s ... impact to engine if I did replace header pipes...performance differences looking for options. What I do know is I don’t like the stock sound but I love the new 114 Heritage ride and performance. Obviously the stock exhaust does not sound as good...very tame...not sure if slip ons make any difference....Sorry to ramble on.., Thanks

[@jaquenthlamonte5683]

Test rode a 2018 Softail Heritage 114 M8. AWESOME freaking bike, took me by surprise but DAMN, the stock pipes have to go immediately upon purchase.

[@iruleyounow]

Idk what it is but I just think the Street Glides are soo damn ugly. The fairing just looks terrible to me, along with the giant forks. It's like two giant triceratopses going down the road. Give me a Road Glide, Softail, Dyna, anything besides the Street glide. They are fast af in this video though lol.

[@rschris]

Awesome video wish you guys would have did a test from the dig . To see how hard both bikes can pull from a dead stand still !

[@sk8777kid1]

S&s makes way better shit than Harley in my honest opinion. I have a 96ci Dyna with 583 cams and blows away my 17 flhx. Harley aftermarket parts are not all that great in my honest opinion. It will keep your stuff in warranty if the dealer does the work but twin cams are better that stock m8.

[@deathgivercurt]

Well my dad has a 2010 fatboy 96 base with stage 4 beats his 2020 fatboy in long run with the 114 change to the 131 motor but short half mile race the 2020 will beat but it has a top end governed where the 2010 can hit a higher top speed the conversion kit from 114 to the 131 u only gain about 7 horse power and tor but it cost about 7k but my dad said it is quick off the line

[@johnmiller3335]

Glad to see this video popped up on my recommended videos. I have been debating on which stage kit to go with for my 2017 RG. I think I'll be going with the Stage IV with Smart Tune Pro!

[@CornishMotorcycleDiaries]

Or... for approximately the same money you could buy a Ducati Panigale V4, 215Hp and literally half the weight. That's probably 175Hp at the rear wheel. Now that WOULD shred tyres (if you turned traction control off.) Horses for courses as is elsewhere stated. Harleys are cruisers and sure a bit of extra poke doesn't go amiss, but riding at well over 100mph on congested highways is a high risk thing to do. That being said I hit 100 yesterday, so I'm a hypocrite too right? well at least I have the common sense to admit it was a foolish thing to do. And while I'm musing; what about traction control and riding modes for Harleys? It's about time! ps despite the critical post, I generally really enjoy your detailed and informative reviews. Ride on Bro' (but safely)

[@TRIKSAXON]

Great Video. I own a 2016 CVO StreetGlide with the Twin Cooled 110 Twin Cam that is upgraded with a Stage 1. It's dyno'd at 96 horsepower, and 110 lbs of torque at the rear wheel. I will be bumping it up with the 117 kit soon. Should produce great results! 👍😎

[@alextrainor2552]

Theres a 2016 cvo streetglide for sale near me and im really thinking about getting it. Its being sold for 24k dollars though and a brand new street glide special is 30k so idk if its worth it to just buy the brand new bike.

[@GulfSouthGene]

I have a Twin-Cam Stage IV / V Screaming Eagle Kit I bought in 2012 new in the box for sale. Traded for a 2019 RG M8 make me an offer.

[@harleydude-xo8pu]

I am happy with my 2015 CVO Street Glide 110 screaming eagle 102hp and 111 ft pound torque. I have no problems getting out of traffic.

[@marka1712]

So the m8 is better for about 1000 rpm or so of the power band? I just don’t see it being worth the extra cash for a new bike when you can get a much better deal on a used bike with low miles and the stage upgrades past 1 seems like a waste because they are still not fast. Not a hater. I love my breakout but I know firsthand that Harleys are not fast it’s great for cruising and having fun but not a racer at all.

[@sharkzf6]

I added high flow intake, competition 2-1 header and FI remap to my 17 Road King M8. The mid-range is awesome and I pull my buddies Indian 111 to the governor before he eventually passes me :( Hey Matt! How do I turn that shit off man!! Great video as usual! Thanks!

[@MattLaidlaw]

I don't know. Let me know if you find a way

[@israelrangel3188]

Only way to do it is after market tuner , but that will possibly void warranty.

[@mopar21]

Israel Rangel without a doubt voids warranty.

[@flhusa1]

seems like you could figure out a way to fool the computer on actual speed. i'm guessing it is speed controlled for top speed and not rpm too.

[@denalidriven1574]

I don't believe the 114 is a true stage 4 I've seen them hang with turbo 103's and gap massively modded 110's

[@swiley423]

Great vid. Especially on the explanation of where the power is. Above 4k on one and 5k on the other. That's important pending your riding style

[@Teddykhil]

Just a quick reply to "Robert Sammons" , it's NOT the bike, it's the ks' you travel to get there. Keep the wind in ya face and not up ya ass.

[@deanmalinko4713]

Fast lane here in Indianapolis does all my tuning my 110 twin cam makes 138 horse at the tire and 149 foot pounds of torque Factory bore 12 to 1,585 gear drives 58 mm throttle body,fully ported heads by Stewart racing here in Indy. Been to Sturgis twice not on trailer!!!! And runs high 10's in quarter!!! Call it the busa killer!!!!

[@MattLaidlaw]

👊🏻😮 wow. Those are some serious numbers.

[@deanmalinko4713]

Matt Laidlaw fast lane on gasoline Alley, ask for Mark!! The D-D boarzilla makes big difference in performance. Numbers where on good fuel.

[@deanmalinko4713]

Fro at south side Harley here in Indy have a NA MILWAUKEE 8 putting down over 200 to the tire. Not sure exactly what he's done. He's head tech there.

[@bavarikus4103]

Hi Matt, really great sound and good looking handlebars too. Thanks for the video. Great job. Greets Alex.

[@SnowmassAdam]

My understanding of these kits is that they add horsepower and torque, making it quicker. But does not change the top speed? Can anyone verify ?

[@kenmcindoe6366]

Wow!! What great riding Matt!!! Guys!! Made my heart remember !!! THIS. IS ALLREADDY A CLASSIC VIDEO! Best on you tbe so far as. i haver ever seen. I am going to share lots. I am honored too. You guys made my whole week!!!

[@MattLaidlaw]

Haha Awesome man. Thanks for watching

[@coreythompson4774]

So I found that interesting because I wanted to know about the stage IV kit for the Milwaukee 8. Thanks

[@daverodriguez8939]

These bikes aren’t fast. They’re beautiful. They’re comfortable. They ride smooth. But they are not fast. I had sports bikes when I was young. They were fast. Now I’m older. I’m not interested in speed anymore. So I got a Harley. No regrets either. I love it. I’d never get anything else. Lots of power. But it’s not fast. You buy an expensive bike and put fancy parts on it but a 600 cc sport bike straight from the dealer would smoke any Harley. Just facts. Your top speed in this video is probably equivalent to 3rd gear on a sports bike. I’m not joking either.

[@zacharysizemore2428]

You right on top end speed dave but my VROD and my buddies fatbob stay with sport bike up to 60-70mph....they have WAAYY more torque.

[@Bradington]

Yup my M8 keeps up with the 600cc and 1000cc sport bikes all the way to 80. Which is where I ease off the gas and set my cruise control.

[@SJJsolomonSJJ]

Is it me or does that 110 got a helluva mid range power band?🤭 I may need to keep my 110 instead of increasing CID🤔

[@socaladventuresdavidt2557]

Raced a mustang GT 350R and was neck and neck. '17 street Glide stage 4screaming Eagle everything 13k in upgrades

[@warrendemartini6533]

My 110 with stage 2 will smoke that 114 factory. Now put stage 2 on that 114 yeah man gets it ...me I’m putting the 117 or 124 kit on it...

[@michaelteeple8704]

Cant believe how smooth the idle seemed. Im not sitting on it but ive seen stockers shake alot more that that.

[@BlownC52000]

I'm surprised the Twin Cam went by him... not worth the extra money

[@markbelculfine1814]

Thanks Matt, great video. This video is helping me decide on the Stage III M8 kit where the power comes on sooner in the rpm range. Like you state in the video, the stage IV kit shines in the upper rpm range.

[@richardsak887]

Twin cam right there and the Harley Kit sucks power wise...check out the kits from FuelMoto and the power numbers they r getting from a 103 to 110 conversion. They posted dyno chart...119HP and 131lb.ft of torque. I do like the new blacked out Specials but why start loan over? I'll stay with my 16 RGS.

[@mixalis6168]

Richard Sak fuel moto rock, would never waste money on a HD kit..

[@israelrangel3188]

? I don't understand, you say Harley stuff sucks but own a road glide special. The 103 to 110 kit from Harley has excellent power.

[@richardsak887]

Israel Rangel ummm no, read it again, I said the Harley KIT sucks POWERWISE not ALL Harley stuff. I Don't know how u made that leap. 99% of parts I buy for my bike are genuine Harley except the things I feel the aftermarket is better at namely engine kits, exhausts, and handlebars. I believe those areas that effect emissions Harley, as a vehicle manufacturer, is limited by govt rules and regs (ex the SEPST, RIP). Like I said the Fuel Moto 103 to 110 kits dyno chart shows 119 hp and 131 torque with the same baseline numbers. Bars I have Factory 47 and Exhaust Rinehart. Everything else...genuine Harley Davidson.

[@israelrangel3188]

Richard Sak 119hp and 130trq sounds more like a 120 motor . People can boost Dyno numbers in many ways. I've seen it done before. Coming from someone who has had a chance to ride a lot of bikes and different set ups on those bikes , I can tell you that the Harley 103 to 110 kit that is in this video does not have an ounce of suck in it.

[@richardsak887]

Israel Rangel yes and dyno to dyno can vary thats why the baseline (which FuelMoto supplies) is so important. It's not like I'm the only one, the quality and performance of the Fuel moto kits are well known. Again, I believe it's that "motorcycle manufacturer" designation HD has that limits them by the govt. 3rd party companies like Fuel moto, V&H, Rinehart, Dynojet don't have that concern. They can make "offroad" kits and tuners and Exhaust sets without fear of fines. It would be ignorant to think these companies have better engineers than HD so Im sure it's an outside constraint ie. The EPA or what have you. Ride safe!

[@emildicaro5553]

twin cam walked the m8

[@theNgin09]

ROTFL!Those are slow. Holly Shit that was full throttle? Just kidding around.. but on a serious note, stay away from Harley EPA governed BS. My lil 107 with less money will spank those.Nice to see the HOGS rollin. Always a good sound.

[@tucoramirez8397]

I asked a local dealer about doing the tire shredder on a 2008 Night Train. Why was I quoted over 8K?

[@110americalovingpatriot2]

I've been thinking of buying the tire shredder kit for my 12 street Glide that my wife and I take vacation on every year. So were always riding 2 up so more HP and torque would be nice but I'm not sure what can to go with. I already have a true dual head pipe CFR mufflers and performance air breather. I don't care about top speed and I want a cam that will start building power around 1,000 to 1,500 RPMs so the 259 cam is out and I'm thinking of SE 585 but not sure. Any suggestions? We do have a trunk on it also and are gonna get a trailer.