Lamentations: God‘s Wrath Shocks And Sickens | Secular Bible Study (Episode 25)

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Welcome to Lamentations, and thanks for being here!

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I grew up reading the BIble every day, both Old and New Testament and after four years of not reading it at all (apart from instances when I check some things to be able to talk about it and make good arguments) I am starting to forget a lot of what was engrained and it is becoming more peaceful for me. Then on Thursdays I listen to your breakdowns of these books and I am horrified at how effective the indoctrination is in making people not think critically and each time I am more grateful that I managed to escape and see through it all. Thank you, Brandon, great content as always!

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Thanks for sharing this. It really is insane.

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Once you realise that The Earth is Flat you will no longer be an atheist. Everything is a globalist conspiracy against the Holy Scripture.

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It is such a pleasure to see a logical rational mind at work. Thank you.

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Yes! The logic and rationality is amazing

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[@DannyS177]

When I was a Christian, I would often lament too. I sometimes can't believe that I ever thought the Christian god was the embodiment of good.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Its so hard to fathom now

[@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman]

It's disheartening

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God: "let me in" Me: "why?" God: "to protect you" Me: "from what?" God: "from what I'm going to do to you if you don't let me in!"

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Me: God, come in. God:... Me: Quickly I need you to protect me from me, all the bad stuff you made and you. God:... Me: Are you still there? God:... Me: Wait a minute

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@@Thunderwake. You're giving me flashbacks, lol

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[@MindShift-Brandon]

So kind, thank you and lol each week i think im gonna have to miss an episode or i have no idea what to cover on Sunday or who to respond to on Tuesday, but so far its always panned out.

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Especially when your sick. Super impressive!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

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[@DLB-m3g]

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[@waynegabler6570]

Just a guess, he might know somebody from this group that proofreads his scripts before recording is done. www.youtube.com/@JewsforJudaismCanada A futurist Christian, like myself, lets the book tell the story. Ge:1-3 and Re:20-22 is a decent beginning and end of this sinful earth. The rest of the book is easier to understand if you read the prophecies as if they all applied to one of the two bruises mentioned, Ge:3:15. Re:12 is an expansion on that single verse. 'Day of the Lord' is a longer read, the passages that use that term is about 24. Just the ones in the 12 books listed after Daniel is a lengthy read. They are all about the single day when the iron/clay kingdom is taken over by an eternal kingdom. Part of having more than a little faith in the God from Ge:1 comes with understanding why He does all the 'irrational' deeds in the book. It turns out certain events had to end up going a certain way, so God 'padded the deck' in His favor. What 'parent' wouldn't go the extra mild to save their child from eternal death?

[@stephenbailey9969]

Yes. People make excuses when their nation does evil to others. Then cry and complain when evil is done to them. This is the world that Man has made.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Yes manmade is the main point i hope to communicate through this series.

[@stephenbailey9969]

@@MindShift-Brandon I appreciate your analysis, though I might disagree with your conclusion. Peace be with you.

[@jon.skeptischism]

@@MindShift-Brandon This point came through particularly strong for me on this one. It’s so sad to think of all the horrors these people went through, then on top of that blamed themselves for making god do it to them. As if watching your children starve wasn’t bad enough.

[@waynegabler6570]

Who do you think needs grace the most from all groups in the Bible? Eze:36:16-21: Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman. Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it: And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them. And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These are the people of the LORD, and are gone forth out of his land. But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went. The 6-fingerd giants in the OT are the ones the seas give up at the GWT event, they can be saved because their mothers were 5-fingerd women like Eve and Noah's wife were. If they are saved, then so are all Gentiles. That means Re:20:4-5 cover Adam and Eve and all their children. The ones building homes in Isa:65 is 'the rest' from Re:20. Can you spot the evil in these 3 vids? kzbin.info/www/bejne/a2mmkn-rpZqXe5o Benjamin Freedman's 1961 Speech at the Willard Hotel Complete Exposure - The Balfour Declaration. kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWeYqHmbfa6an6M&pp=ygUYdW5pdGVkIGZydWl0IHRoZSBvY3R1cHVz The Octopus (United Fruit Company / Dole Food Company) kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpapmJdsnKyHjc0&pp=ygUWc2Nob29sIG9mIHRoZSBhbWVyaWNhcw%3D%3D School for Assassins

[@stephenbailey9969]

@@waynegabler6570 All people need his grace equally. We are all condemned and unworthy, except by the blood of Christ. "He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world." 1 John 2:2 That is why it is called grace, and not merit. "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast." Ephesians 2:8-9.

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[@gpol2517]

Greetings MindShift team/Brandon! I must say I love this series because it truly made me realize that it was so easy for me to highlight the things I liked in the Bible, as supposed to what it actually says. I appreciate your balanced presentation of objectiveness, and it has actually made me live more in the moment than in a concoction of MY own perception. Thank you for life

[@MindShift-Brandon]

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[@andresvillarreal9271]

The powerful don't get angry, they get even. You get angry when you are impotent to solve whatever happened that affected you. You get angry when something surprised you in a bad way. A god that is omnipotent and omniscient has no reason whatsoever to get angry. When the writers of the Bible say that God is angry they are passing on to their God the feelings that they have, not the feelings that an omnipotent god would have.

[@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman]

How would an Omnipotent being feel, it's so incomprehensible, who would this being get even with though

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You pronounced Tisha B'Av (the ninth of [the month of] Av) perfectly. As a Jew myself, you basically nailed its influence in our culture-namely, that it is read aloud in the synagogue on Tisha B'Av. Excellent video as always! Thank you!

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Would you be interested in doing a video on “how to handle Christian family members after you deconstruct” and give examples of how you did it/advice? My dad is a pastor, wife’s family all are Christian’s, etc. Since we’re coming up on Christmas I’m a little stressed 😅. Thank you either way. Great stuff!

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Thank you! Yes i plan on doing a video more directly about that subject. I do cover it a bit in my how to come out video.

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‘Cover to cover’. read the front and back covers? LOL Would still be a waste of time, right?

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[@Rhewin]

“Do Christians just not read their Bible?” No, they don’t. I’m still involved with a Bible Study, and just two weeks ago a girl was really upset. She’s been struggling with stuff, and someone online told her she needed to find the sin that was in her life. She was outraged at this person, and how they were clearly misrepresenting God and his promises. Most the group agreed. A guy who I know knows the whole Bible nodded and pointed to God rebuking Job’s friends for suggesting the same. Meanwhile, Deuteronomy is just sitting over there promising 3x the curses for sin for generations, and the Deuteronomistic Histories and prophets confirming the curses over and over.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Yes! Great example

[@MrKooderna]

Hello, I am hindu, who has read the Bible, the only lens I know is through Hinduism, and I will say the book is an entire read on the law of Karma from a hindu perspective. If I wasn't aware of the culture around Christianity, and this book were to be given to me before technology, I would of read all of the old testament as a story of the workings of Karma. God (Brahman) acting through the natural law of Karma, and the Bible just symbolically applying God, as a literal persona for the deliverance of Karma. Take out God as a being for the deliverance of Karma, and the old testament is a masterclass in Karma. I have shared this with some in my family and shown them the passages, and they all overwhelmingly agree. Ham gossiping to his siblings about his dad Noah being drunk and passed out naked in his tent, said siblings coming to cloth their dad (in his private tent) and then Noah waking up finding out what happened and cursing Canaans bloodline and offspring for generations... This is exactly what we are taught about the mechanisms of Karma, and lends itself to why Noah didn't curse Ham? Why did he curse Canaans bloodline who had nothing to do with it? Read through the lens of vengeful father, this is awful. Read through the lens of Noah explaining how this sin (non dharma action) will affect his bloodline through the karmic imprint for generations to come, and then contrasting that with the fate of his brothers Seth and japeth being fruitful and having incredible lives for not partaking on the gossip, but doing a good deeds (for their positive karma) What lends itself to this belief in thst verse is especially that Noah mentions the outcomes of Seth and Japeth. I woukd expect a vengeful father to just curse and explain the curse to the one he's angry at, but he also tells Japeth and Seth their futures will hear great good. I looked into the Hebrew words and hewbrew has no word for "may" it's implied, the word is "Yikhol" and it means possibility. Alternative translation that can't be argued through the hewbrew translation (the original word) "Canaan may be a servant of Japeth/shem. God (Brahman) has an aspect in the divine play (Lila/Maya) called Karma, it is the universal law that continues the cycle of death and rebirth. It's the butterfly effect, except it holds a spiritual level as well were intent matters, and it follow you through lives, not only does it follow you through lives, it IS the SOLE reason you must BE reborn again, you have caused, your own cause of being reborn again through Karma. Brahman is supreme intelligence in our belief of course, he is all things, and omnipotence is only omnipotence if he can create a rock that is unmovable. If he is omnipotent however he should he able to move the rock, but also not move the rock since he created it to be unmovable. The unmovable rock is free will in the divine play of Lila. Karma is its director, and the old testament, viewed through the eyes of Hinduism, is a literal masterclass on Karma. You have heard the saying "God is bi polar" well in hinduism, yes quite literally. You give negative action, you receive bad action, you give positive action, you receive positive action, and intent is what's most important in Karma. It's also why you see Cain and Abel story. A perfect story of the power of intent behind Karma being most important. Abel gave the wrong offering, as God had allowed the greens of the earth to be used for food, and not animals to be used for food until after the flood. Abel actually is the one who gave the wrong offering of an animal, but because his intentions were good and pure god(karma) looked with favor. Cain gave the proper offering of fruit and veggies as God said in Genesis he intended for man to eat, but Cain in his heart had done it for a selfish reason to gain favor. It is the man donating $100 as long as his friends watch him do it.. It's to gain favor selfishly. It's the tik Tok videos feeding the homeless, but doing it for views..Intention in karma is the most crucial aspect. I'm sorry for this long write up, and I don't knkw if anyone will read it,and sorry for typo on phone. Just wanted to share my thoughts because when you replace God with Karma in the Bible, it becomes a Hindu masterclass on Karma, and resolution of Karma. Great video you have here, thank you! 🙏

[@Rhewin]

@@MrKooderna how, then, would you view the idea that Jesus’s death frees the world from the cycle of punishment for sin and reward for goodness?

[@MrKooderna]

@@Rhewin Thanks for asking me that... Jesus Christ sacrifice is no mystery to anyone in Hinduism, it is direct alignment with what we already know to be true for thousands of years since the teachings in the Rigvedas, and Bagavhad Ghita. So please give me a moment to explain. In hinduism Brahman (God) manifests itself as avatars across the universe (अवतार) These Avatars exist to incarnate on earth to restore cosmic order and the Dharma (righteous way of living) it is known as a Deliberate Descent of Brahman (God) to incarnate on earth and restore order through various means of balancing the collective Karma. Each Avatar does this through different means to cleanse karma and there is 10 avatars who come in sequence. In the case of Jesus Christ, it reads that he is an avatar of Brahman just like the previous 9. The 8th avatar was Krishna, the 9th avatar was Buddha (and, this is no joke, yes the Buddha who man made a religion from, is the 9th avatar in hinduism.) The 10th and final Avatar name is Kalki. Important to note, in hinduism Avatars are born typically born from virgin women. It is a key component. Kalki is said to return in the future riding a white horse, and he will not announce himself as kalki, becsuse he is for the whole world, not for just India, and he will not say he is kalki, he will show the world he is kalki. He will become the king, a "Turner Of The Wheel", and one who triumphs. He will eliminate all barbarians and robbers, end adharma, restart dharma, and save the good people. After that, humanity will be transformed and the golden age will begin. He is estimated to come at the end of this Kali Yuga, which is 400,000 years from now when the dharma has been lost and the earth is all hateful in its heart. This future is known because Brahman exists outside of space time, and so in the same moment of creation, he knows all of creation future. However free will simultaneously exists and truly is free will, and were karma comes in. So brahman both knows if you will generate negative Karma (sin) and also did not make you do it, simultaneously. This is due to existence outside of time space. Brahman sees your actions and their end results in the same moment, there is no start then finish, or here and there in brahman. If hindu read Bible, it is quick to see Jesus christ could be the first incarnation of Kalki, especially since revelations explains his coming back in the future on horse from the clouds, and explains almost same thing as the Rigveda does about Kalki. It is known that enduring immense suffering purifies the collective Karma of the earth. There are beings who have undergone immense suffering and purified the collective karma. This results not in the cessation of samsara (the cycle of death and rebirth) but it does reduce the amount of rebirths required to attain Moksha (liberation from rebirth and merging with Brahman, basically your consciousness become the entire universe) by Aeons. Yes, Aeons. It is beleived certain suffering beings light and understanding to the collective negative karma if it's dealt with in a divine way with compassion and love and that transmute that karma so that it reduces rebirths required by many many Aeons (in hinduism, everything is a very very, very long time, and the universes goes through cycles of birth, sustenance, death and rebirth, yes universes themselves go through rebirth to continue the divine play (Lila) of infinite creation for eternity. On the cross Jesus said "lord o lord why have you forsaken me" and the his final words after that sentence where "it is finished". Jesus is showing he felt abandoned by Brahman here. This is known as "the dark night of the soul" Carl jung talks about it, mother Theresa, and many others. It's an experience of total abandonment by God or connected to any source, many through history have described the dark night of the soul, feeling abandoned by God, and going through immense suffering and visions of hell and tortures of humans etc...All have considered it a divine gift that brought them closer to the divine and closer to their union with God (moksha/nirvana) Carl Jung talks about the collective unconcious being purified through this as well.. I believe based on Jesus saying on the cross, he was having a dark night of the soul, and it was one he predicted, and isaoh predicted 700 years before his birth in the old tesament, that the Messiah would be born from God and he would exist to be a "suffering servant" to purify the sins of man" I believe through other experiences I have looked up through religious history and even more recent am through Carl jung, and studies on LCD and DMT from Groff, that Jesus experienced all the sickest tortures of man on the cross. He was a thousand soldiers on the battlefield all dying at once, he directly experienced every child abused or tortured, all of humanities most atrocious sins, he experienced, it the thick of the torture it was so great he said God why have you forsaken me, and then shortly after he looks up and says "it is finished" as he experienced and resolved the collective Karma of earth. Brahmans avatar Jesus was born as the others were to restore cosmic order and the Dharma, born directly from brahman, and he experienced all the sins man ever created while on the cross in a literal sense, this purified that negative karma so it ended the causes of the sin from that point and stopped Aeons of rebirths from being required to absolve them. The genuine intent of recognition that Kalka suffered for us to restore cosmic order back to it's balance, opens your heart to ask for forgiveness for your part of it and that remorse and intention to do well with generating good karma going forward grants you immense positive karma it does this through the mechanism of compassion for Jesus sacrifice. By a true recognition for the borrows and traumas jesis experienced, being every child who was abused and tortured, and experiencing it all fully, you can find compassion and remorse for your actions, genuine remorse doesn't purify negative kamric imprints, but it does however generate positive karmic imprints on the atman (soul) and help balance out your future lives. However, the Bible didn't say Jesus died for all sins. It says "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many, for the forgiveness of their sins (for purifying their negative karma for them, I experienced the results of your negative Karma, so you don't have to, and I did this to restore balance back to the divine play. So this lends itself that he didn't die for all sins, or all future sin. He died for many, as in the experiences of torture o during his dark night of the soul on the cross, as many as he purified before his physical body died. Cosmic order goes off balance again, which is why future Kalka will return on his white horse. I'm sorry this was a lot to explain, but it really is a quite easy read through the eyes of hinduism and Karma.

[@MrKooderna]

I think to answer your question more direct, using my text above as reference to this answer, Jesus did not removed punishment from sin(effects of karma). Karma is a universal law of cause and effect, but what Jesus did was cleanse the current negative karma of the world through his sacrifice. This was in contrast to the first cosmic balance of the great flood (an act of Karma, not a vengeful god) this is why it's said Jesus "washed away the sins of the world" it's a reference to the great flood washing away sins. The Bible doesnt say Jesus took sin away for all future generations. Man says that, but not the Bible. No where is it written Jesus took sin away forever. I believe the Bible (from hindu perspective) I don't believe man's word about the Bible. Jesus purified negative karma through experiencing the dark night of the soul, he underwent a spiritual consciousness described many times by Yogis, as a dark hell like experience of human past torture etc..and that they are actually purifying collective negative karma by experiencing them in an understanding way. Jesus also made sure to not have his own death create negative karma within him, by saying "forgive them, for they know not what they do". Truly creating a karma free life start to finish, just like Siddhartha Guatama. So I show my family this and they start reading the Bible too and are amazed thst Jesus could of been Kalki first incarnation. In hinduism this is normal for us, we say Sarva Dharma Sambhava which means all paths and all religions lead to the ultimate truth, I believe there is truth in Bible becsuse it resonate so perfectly with karma, but the translation is wonky.

[@Betttty]

You videos always make me feel better like im not alone thanks Brandon 🤞🤧😭

[@MindShift-Brandon]

So very glad to be helpful in this way!

[@DrakeTimbershaft]

When you described the acrostic structure of much Hebrew verse, I was reminded of a poetic structure within the English language known as abecedarian verse. Line one begins with “A,” line two with “B,” and so forth. I have tried with limited success to write a poem in abecedarian verse and I am convinced that it is more than just technique. The aspiring poet must be moved by some powerful emotion like joy, grief, or even childlike playfulness, but it is more complicated and profound than “The cat sat on the mat.” I just thought I should share this. Your description of acrostic structure fascinated me!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks for sharing. I think its actually the same thing and/or an acrostic is a form of abecedarian.

[@ifeobasa5459]

another banger. good job, brandon.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you!

[@robertmoore2049]

Thank you for reading the whole books of the Bible so we don’t have to, Brandon! Thank you for all that you do!!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

My pleasure. Thank you!

[@maarit.gneleah]

Hehe... exactly! That we can be spared... those of us whose aversion to the nature of these texts have kept us not wanting to touch them.

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Thanks, Brandon, for being here!

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Many thanks right back!

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Thanks! I really appreciate the time that you take to put these videos together it's the perfect Christmas gift.

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So very generous and kind. Thank you!

[@adeyemi120]

I have always wondered if Lamentations was written as a cry out to god during the Babylonian exile, while Jeremiah was written as a way to have the people still believe in their god by placing the blame of the ordeal on the people

[@josephcollins6033]

THANK YOU!!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Welcome! Thanks for watching

[@joesmith4098]

I've never read Lamentations, but I feel the author(s), part of my deconversion was the realization that YHWH could have and should have pulled me up from the mud at any point but didn't. I just realized a common theme, at some point, the thought crosses the mind of the believer that I can do bad all by myself.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Well put!

[@26beegee]

I used to read those scriptures and think, those, people must have been really bad. Then I read them and thought, God is horrible. Later when I read them I thought, this is just exaggerated for effect. Eventually I read them and thought, damn - I’m glad this is all just made up crap! Now I don’t read them at all. I’m free! Hope everyone works through that process and comes out the other end free! Thanks for helping people through the process!

[@mr.c2485]

Informative and entertaining as usual. Your delivery is impeccable. 👍

[@MindShift-Brandon]

So encouraging. Thank you much

[@suicune2001]

Thanks! It's interesting hearing about the history behind it.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

My pleasure. Thanks for watching

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Thanks!

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Thank you so much!

[@survive323]

Good job. Keep up the good work. If Christians would read the Bible honestly they may decide that it is bs...

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Thank you. Its what did it for me!

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Thanks so much, man!

[@MalekMagicianPR]

When it comes to the more traditional churches, they do read some of it during lent. Thank you so much!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks for sharing

[@clemstevenson]

If something goes wrong, just attribute it to god. Pretend that it's part of god's plan. If god doesn't answer your prayers, never admit that there isn't a god to answer your prayers. Instead, just pretend that god has deserted you.

[@kettei7743]

I liked this episode. On your mention of american christians saying that that tragedies in the country baffles me, maybe beacuse im from latinamerica. You americans never cease to amaze me lmao Your mention of the problematic passages is good, it reminds me of a post by Randal Rauser on lamentations where he said: '...this idea that openly and honestly discussing the moral incoherence of many Christians amounts to “questioning God”. There are way too many Christians who are essentially told to shush up when they begin to explore this cognitive dissonance for fear of irreverence and even blasphemy.'

[@TheWickedWizardOfOz1]

American Christians will have you know that the USA is the center of God's eye and that all prophecy relates to it

[@mads597]

Brandon, do you happen to be a singer? The depth of your voice is awesome (also the depth of your content too haha)

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Hey there, i wish! If i could sing, id be on youtube trying to make it as an artist but i am a terrible singer. Enjoy the low voice while it lasts. Ive been sick for the last few episodes. Thanks again!

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@@MindShift-Brandon You do have a nice resonant voice even when you're not sick, it's one of the things that keeps me coming back, because I *am* musical and tone of voice really affects me. Actually I think it affects everyone, so even if you can't sing, your voice is still doing artistic work here.

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You posted this video 2 days ago, but I've just now had a chance to watch it, I feel like I'm showing up "late for class", ha -- haaaa. Great work as always.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Lol thats hilarious! Im the cool teacher who says show up and when and if you want, and dont worry there are no tests.

[@earlt.7573]

@@MindShift-Brandon Haaa ! 🤪👍👍👍 Man , way better than dealing with the Nuns in St. Joseph's Grade School.........

[@michaelhenry1763]

Thank you for doing this Bible study on Laminations . To be honest, I never read it. I may have memorized a Bible verse or two from it. I love its ending, its questioning, its doubt. I love how God’s Wrath is used as an explanation to explain the destruction and exile. It is similar how Paul uses “ sinful nature” to explain the need for salvation in his own time.

[@Badficwriter]

Ha! Imagine if Paul said we need God to act as our repairman because his design of us was so crappy.

[@michaelhenry1763]

@@Badficwriter Nice! Paul would just blame us.

[@JJ_Smilez]

I can’t watch now, but I will later. I’m commenting for the algorithm! You’re almost at 30k! Woohoo!!🎉

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks so much!

[@mikebartling7920]

Because you peaked my interest in Lamentations, I will read that book tonight. Thanks again... your page is most interesting and informative.

[@jasonhighlander]

As an ex-findie, your parentheticals crack me up sometimes. "We were created (supposedly) to be immortal...". Exactly how my internal monologue works now when thinking about this stuff.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Ha. Love that. Glad to have someone else right there with me.

[@lccp690]

This is really a great series. Keep up the good work!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks so much. Glad you are enjoying it!

[@rochelebierhalspereira7106]

My whole life I heard exactly 2 verses from this book being frequently quoted, namely Ch 1:12-13, supposedly as messianic prophecy of words "said" by Jesus in the cross, used to guilt trip during gospel messages "Is it nothing to you?"😅.

[@maggienewton8518]

thanks Brandon

[@GrandpaSpaceOreo]

I love your videos. Could you possibly create a google doc or something for all the contradictions, historical background, problematic messages so that people could have it ready. I find it useful to use those parts of your videos when discussing the Bible. Love your videos!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

i wish i would have kept up with this as I went. Seems daunting now!

[@sundayoliver3147]

So appreciate this series. I'm behind, but going through all of them in order is really helpful.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Glad you are finding it useful!

[@iluvtacos1231]

I don't think I ever read anything from Lamentations, so this was wild.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Glad to shine a light on

[@mr.goldenproductions_0143]

Hey big guy! Chris Williamson's latest interview with Jordan Peterson would definitely be worth a watch for you and the type of content you produce. JP is going to publish a book next year titled "those who wrestle with God", and his highest objective, if it ever were to materialize, is to "refute atheism once and for all" and to advance the cause of the counter-enlightenment (but still preserving the best part of the Enlightenment: the scientific method - good luck with that lol). I thought maybe you could engage with his claims and ideas and give your two cents on his book when it comes out. Thanks!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Oh wow! I cannot wait to dig in.

[@mr.goldenproductions_0143]

Man it's got me getting nervous a little bit. Though we know his shtick by now (the Bible is more true than true etc...) I do Not want to get back onto the plantation. So here's to hoping that you find an interesting angle with this. @@MindShift-Brandon

[@PrometheanRising]

JP is an intelligent person who occasionally makes trenchant observations while still being fundamentally full of sh¹t.

[@wolfos420]

Nice.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks!

[@Johnmhatheist]

Dude, I hope you get over this cold soon. But I'm thoroughly enjoying this secular bible study. I'm now even starting to re-read the bible without my God glasses on now. I'm now laughing at it as I read the book that I once defended and made my life revolve around it. Well, except for me commiting constant fornication, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks so much. Yes reading the bible as a nonbeliever and with that bias removed is a wild ride!

[@Johnmhatheist]

@@MindShift-Brandon I can't wait for Ezequiel. As a believer, I barely read it.

[@Johnmhatheist]

@johnhollingsworth8953 It drives my dad, who is a preacher, absolute bonkers, too. There was only one revelation of Jesus given to John. Fun fact: In many languages, this book is called "Apocalypse."

[@Johnmhatheist]

@johnhollingsworth8953 I was watching a video of a guy reviewing beers just now and I commented "hey could you try such and such a beer for a future review" but before I commented that, I was watching a short from the atheist experience so my comment about trying certain beers went to the atheist experience video about Elisha sending bears to maul children who made fun of him for being bald. I just had a very similar moment that you just had, haha.

[@Johnmhatheist]

@@Resigned-h4x hahhahaa. Maybe so.

[@franciswalsh8416]

As a person prone to depression I always read Lamentations and wondered whether the fate of the Israelis as to be our fate. Not real uplifting to someone looking for meaning

[@MindShift-Brandon]

The bible ironically enough is a pretty bad place to actually look for meaning in general.

[@sundayoliver3147]

@@MindShift-Brandon Now there is a truth. When so many insist it's the ONLY place to look for meaning, but if you really do that, you get caught in a pretty depressing snare.

[@Tijaxtolan]

Brandon, your thumbnails look cool, but it'd be great to see some human made illustrations too 🙌🏽 Great video as always 🙋🏽‍♂️

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks so much

[@jonathanfarquhar]

Makes me think about God's wrath in a whole different way. When you read what the fruit if his wrath is... I'm so thankful this God doesn't exist.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

You and me both

[@JeffreyGodsey]

The LORD hath trampled all my mighty men in the midst of me

[@tomaskey6844]

It seems like the Israelites would have been better off without a god.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

I think you are right!

[@Batmanfan4life]

Hi Brandon I'm hoping you can help me so tomorrow my father wants to go to an anniversary mass for his mother who died one year tomorrow however I'm conflicted if I should go giving I'm an atheist should i go to be with my father or not because I'm conflicted please let me know what I should do

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Just my opinion as you understand your position best. I would go though. God is not real, but your dad and his grief are. Part of what christianity does wrong is separate family via belief. Dont let a lack of belief do the same thing.

[@Batmanfan4life]

@@MindShift-Brandon thank you for your opinion on this

[@booklover78910]

Been at least two years since I have read the Bible; used to be a fundie Christian raised by a small cult run by my parents. Long story short, I was brainwashed and to this day am learning what reality really is. I no longer listen to simple statements told to me by well meaning people. I cannot listen to hypocrisy and I do not suffer fools gladly. I now only accept what can be proven as truth and fact… which most of the Bible cannot be, as it is neither truthful nor factual. Thank you for helping me continue on my journey to finding the real truth in everything in life. If it is not true nor helps my life in any way, then I have no need for it in my life. Your videos plus many other ones from atheist KZbinrs and actual Biblical Scholars like Bart Ehrman help me to understand why how I was raised was atrocious and how much better off I am leaving all that shit in the past, Bible included. It’s just another plagiarized book and isn’t even all that original when we look at other Mythos of the same time period. I see no need to keep something so outdated in my current life. Thank you so very much for always reminding me that my deconversion was and still is the right choice for me to have made and continue making. ❤

[@kevinx7015]

So, what is the actual evidence that caused you to conclude as truth in fact that there is no God who wants us to rely on faith in that God instead of relying on established evidence?

[@nickguy8037]

@@kevinx7015a complete lack of established evidence. It’s not hard to understand… or at least, it shouldn’t be.

[@kevinx7015]

@@nickguy8037 So then if you are going just off of available evidence because you ignorantly choose to do so, then you shouldn’t make any conclusion as to whether or not there is a God BECAUSE there is a LACK of evidence proving there is a God AND there is ALSO a LACK of evidence that proves there is no God as well. It’s not that hard to understand the point that there is ZERO evidence one way OR the other regarding whether or not there is a God. So, do you even have a point to make?

[@nickguy8037]

@@kevinx7015 I made a couple of points, but I was subtle, so you probably missed them. You are right, there is absolutely no evidence that a god exists AND there is no evidence that a deistic god doesn’t exist. If you would like evidence that theistic gods don’t exist, I offer you the holy texts. Doesn’t matter which theistic god you choose, the texts for that god will be more than sufficient to disprove them. But all of that is completely beside the point. As you point out, there is no evidence a god exists. Someone with a brain stops there. The “there is no evidence a god does not exist” is smoke and mirrors. It doesn’t actually mean anything.

[@kevinx7015]

@@nickguy8037 How does you saying certain holy texts is evidence proving a God doesn’t exist proves certain holy texts prove that God doesn’t exist? Can’t you cite anything that proves your point?

[@DavidRichardson153]

The fact that is book is so emotional should be a red flag. Emotions are certainly important and not something to ignore, but they also cloud, if not outright block, rationality. Whenever I hear someone claim that some event was "God's punishment for [X]," particularly for events like 9/11, it is rather suspicious how this supposedly just and loving God decided to use some perceived evil entity (nevermind the detail that nonbelievers are supposed to be evil, according to beliefs like this) and not exactly dole out some sort of punishment for this entity for anything they did before or during (and for most, if not all, supposed instances, even after) their use. It is almost as if God either does not exist or is the most evil... there are so many terms I could use here, so I will let you take your pick. And the whole "It's the Old Testament" excuse falls flat when you then point how God does not exactly change for the New, especially with the one book at the end of the Bible that I rather enjoying pointing out stuff from that directly contradicts their assertions. So can it really be any surprise why not many Christians read the Bible, or why they only read (and I am being generous with "read" here) whatever was cherry-picked for that day at the special building where they gather at least once a week to compare clothing? Yeah, the Bible is not exactly that good of a PR campaign for God, and Lamentations showcases this fact.

[@JeffreyGodsey]

The Lord blazed against Jacob like a devouring fire

[@margaretjohnson6259]

so the movie "the road" was revisiting lamentations.

[@appresley4071]

Hosea 13:16 The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open. The bible it could be the basis of a decent action movie however even the film censors would have problems with the above script?

[@larry3591]

Awsome

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks!

[@waynegabler6570]

I'm going to assume this connection has never been made: Re:18:7: How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. La:1:1-2: How doth the city sit solitary, that was full of people! how is she become as a widow! she that was great among the nations, and princess among the provinces, how is she become tributary! She weepeth sore in the night, and her tears are on her cheeks: among all her lovers she hath none to comfort her: all her friends have dealt treacherously with her, they are become her enemies. Da:11:6: And in the end of years they shall join themselves together; for the king's daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement: but she shall not retain the power of the arm; neither shall he stand, nor his arm: but she shall be given up, and they that brought her, and he that begat her, and he that strengthened her in these times. Da:11:17: He shall also set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom, and upright ones with him; thus shall he do: and he shall give him the daughter of women, corrupting her: but she shall not stand on his side, neither be for him.

[@xavierbrown8848]

I’m really interested I’ve subscribed and been listening to your videos for 2 days now and I’m on more of a side that if god is real, that god is more of the embodiment of chaos kinda like everything everywhere at once so morality becomes well whatever we choose and while there are good out comes all over the world there are bad and if that is also in us in our nature I can only believe that we have an embodiment of that chaos otherwise we wouldn’t have all these emotions or all the evil in the world if there is a god that god only lives to see what it can do completely even if its bad or good

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Hey thanks for being here. In my opinion, youre over complicating it. Theres no good reason to believe in this god in any way or capacity. Morals and the like are all manmade conventions to help society progress against the backdrop of necessary selfish evolutionary start.

[@xavierbrown8848]

@@MindShift-Brandon Thanks for responding made my day! The reason that got me looking for a channel like this, is when I asked my pastor “if god made the angles and one rebelled and caused a war, why didn’t he just stop it why did all this extra stuff have to come about and he couldn’t really answer my question i still believe in a god but maybe not the one I grew up praying to every night

[@nickguy8037]

I think you are looking for explanations without actually looking for explanations. We know why we have emotions. There is no secret in that. We know why “evil” things happen. You are trying to accept a God of the gaps, but have picked places where there are no gaps.

[@dantallman5345]

Never paid much attention to Lamentations for more or less the reasons you gave. Btw- I just finished reading Why the Bible Began by Jacob L Wright and gained more appreciation for Lamentations. Why did the Bible begin? Utter defeat and exile. Wright pinpoints Lamentations as the start of the scribal activity that resulted in the Jewish Bible. The book is written for a non-expert who is interested in the Bible.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Oh that sounds so interesting. Ill look into it

[@misterlau5246]

Lamentaciones.. Nice name? Please cover catholic bible's Ecclesiastical or , Sirac's book... Where they can beat their kids even if nothing wrong was done, "pre emptive corrective education" 🥺

[@PrimevalDemon]

How do people believe this let alone force it over all else im so depressed

[@narcissistinjurygiver2932]

you should expose what the Talmud says about gentiles

[@MindShift-Brandon]

I did do a whole video. Just search Mindshift Gentiles

[@ObjectiveEthics]

19:40 "Eternal consistency in the Bible." I know you didn't mean this as a joke per se but I am SROTFLMAO 😂 The only thing consistent in the Bible is how inconsistent it is.

[@laurennoyb539]

I love your videos but they are too short. As soon as I get into them it's over 😢

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Ha. Thats very kind!

[@PrimevalDemon]

The curse element of such supposed god as in discussions at present herein, always reminds me of the detail (I've never known any to denote or point out/notice)of Demon's Souls (ps3) in that there are two branches of soul arts, sorcery and miracle. Miracle has obvious connotation as "real world " equivalent and generally are therefore seen as holy. Sorcery is black (rather blue/white/lapis/fire) magic and is what magics Demon's and their ilk use, almost always dealing damage or distorting/dampening what were inflicted. Capital D Demon's. Ultimately as it would perhaps come to be known, "God " is a demon, the initial body in wbich wll branches and lineage derive. This is relevant as the strongest miracle of self restoration over time, regeneration, is golden with purple/ violet/pink motifs and shading, it restores high (comparatively) amount of vitality overtime and takes 2 of very limited attunement to use and is given via 2 very rare Demon's souls. It is unto itself and no sorcery has equivalent to it's effect and purposes, but rather an inversion. This inversion is "cursed weapon" which adds 50% of current weapons physical strength on top of it's normal attack rating. The cost is it drains vitality, yet ie acquired via a holy demon, whom has angelic motif and placement in culture as a hero of the northern kingdom (though if speaking 100% to intent vs translation there isn't literally a southern kingdom or northern one, it's denoting a schism between the singular fabric of the land but it's translation still carries obvious relevance) It happens to be very similar visually, but with the violet/ purple drowning out but faint trace of gold m8st miracle show, notably, the demon can have it's soul used for 2 sorcery, the previous mention and initial "Cursed" weapon, or enchanted weapon which adds roughly 1/3 of physical attack value of the weapon only via magic damage instead of multiplying one type of damage, and is the strongest buff that doesn't deal damage nor require a consumable to be used. This enchanted weapon is the after effect/trace/trail of light that follows the Demon's blade while he fights, unnaturally extending his reach and effectiveness through demonic means whilst giving off what many and most find as holy. Th3 demon itself strikes down lesser Demon's whom flee and taunt others, showing some discernment between foe regardless of appearance. This changes nothing about the reality of anything, cursed weapon still hurts self even as it help, and enchanted weapon still sports golden trace of heavenly accoutrement whilst being less a boon if not for acceptance of good with the bad, just like Demon's and God of the world, such determination only bolstered differences and misbegot faith and of course condemnation. The faithful are and ever will be kept to their "portion" or side of where they pray and hold service just as the magee and sorcerers do and neither for all their hateful derision and unflinching beliefs, none try or even seem willing or even find it possibly bettering to look closer at things and to see that one curse is another's blessing, one heresy is the others salvation and means of retreat or offensive means to reclaim the singular world all else see. Just as here, from the innner eye of the subservient every struggle sets truth and soul free if not for the less ingrained and derided use of one's spirit and soulful reality Its how its used, seen and felt. Something no god or demon fully dealt, as the Catalyst and talismans in hand required to do such works Ultimately manifest what the holder retains, attunes and wish to see. Such is fruit of spirit, such is reality if adherent to but page or governances power, miracle of mind body and soul, restorative invoke or poisonous and pestilence tendered act of higher sense of ultimate reality. I say this because the dichotomy is plain and evoked often in game just not in this usages, least those I've ever read or seen. In a sense it fits best, because I don't believe, irl ir otherwise so i can freely find innumerable dangers and call to act with the lethality those on the outside can see, regardless of the blessings never being truthfully seen,whilst knowing that the root is something far less divine akin to self promised manifest destiny. Sorry poor wording/ long/irksome comments.

[@theresemalmberg955]

So no "the Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want, surely goodness and mercy shall follow me the rest of my days" here. This is raw honesty. The translation of Isaiah 1:5-6 in the 1970 edition of the New American Bible pulls no punches: "Where would you yet be struck, you that rebel again and again? The whole head is sick, the whole heart faint. From the sole of the foot to the head there is no sound spot: wound and welt and gaping gash, not drained, or bandaged, or eased with salve." This is what happens when you get on the bad side of Jesus' Daddy. Never forget that. You know, it is very interesting that when American Christians use events like 9/11 or school shootings as proof that God is chastising us for our sins, they NEVER EVER mention the land theft and attempted genocide of the Native Americans and Native Hawaiians; they NEVER EVER mention the kidnapping and enslavement of Africans; they NEVER EVER mention the rise of legally mandated segregation and the vigilante actions of the KKK (a Christian organization BTW). Or many other examples I could name. Lincoln is reported to have said that he trembled when he considered that God is just and that if it was His will, the war would last as long as it was necessary to repay every drop of blood drawn by the slaveholder's lash. If so, then what about the other sins I have mentioned--what will be the punishment for how we acquired our land from its original inhabitants? What about greed and oppressing the poor? I believe that the Bible has something to say about what God thinks of that. If there is any truth to this book, we may be in for a very rough ride indeed.

[@Badficwriter]

American Christians only blame lack of piety or homosexuality. You do seem to be falling into the "everyone else is pure" syndrome though. Slavery, torture and conquest existed in North America before the Europeans got there. People like to think the bad only existed in the better known South American empires, ignoring North American organized civilizations. But humans act like humans everywhere, and if you bother to research, you will find it. So by this standard, native Americans inherit their own ancestors' guilt. And so on, and so on.

[@mcawesomeytyo3312]

In the book of Ezekiel, there is literally an f-bomb dropped in the original Hebrew.💀💀💀💀

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Which verse?

[@PrometheanRising]

For real, which verse?

[@mcawesomeytyo3312]

It is in chapter 16 or chapter 23 but I am not sure which specific verse. Although you won’t find it in the English Translation. I suggest researching the original Hebrew version

[@PrometheanRising]

@@MindShift-Brandon found a Reddit thread discussing 'shagel' and 'skubalon' this is likely some of it.

[@mcawesomeytyo3312]

I cannot wait for the Ezekiel episode

[@lissavanhouten6628]

I heard Song of Solomon was one of the "good" books of the OT. Is there eros here? Or is there horrible stuff in there too?

[@MindShift-Brandon]

It is indeed one of the better ones. I covered it a few weeks back if you want to take a look

[@PrometheanRising]

The further one gets into the Tanakh the more clear it is that YHWH really wants to make it clear that he doesn't exist, and yet here we are.

[@jamiegallier2106]

❤❤❤

[@shadamyandsonamylover]

A little random, but do you consider consequences a curse? For instance, the consequence of the original sin. You called it a curse but wasn’t that the natural consequence to breaking a promise with God? I’m agnostic now but I do think it’s a bit over the top to call it a curse when it’s more like a consequence.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Just using gods words. He cursed man with work. He cursed women with childbirth etc. hes big on curses. A natural consequence is like if i put my hand in boiling water and get burned by it. But if i put my hand in room temp water and god gets offended so he then decides to purposely burn my hands and the hands of my children every time we touch water, thats a curse.

[@shadamyandsonamylover]

@@MindShift-Brandon I would believe that if it weren’t for what I was taught about divine covenants and biblical accuracy. Short version: A Devine betrayal requires a divine consequence. And that the people who wrote the Bible were human and usually put Gods words in their own words, making God look like he’s cursing people when it’s more like a consequence (it just happened vs God causing it). I know that doesnt make much more sense or make anything actually better, but I would love to see someone refute the justifications I was taught growing up. Edit: HOLY CRAP I didn’t realize the Channel responded! Great video btw, I love the work you’re doing.

[@GameTimeWhy]

​@@shadamyandsonamyloverrefute what though? Your random indoctrination based on zero evidence? Im sorry you had that done to you but its like asking to debunk the grand plan of illuvitar in LOTR. We have nothing outside of the book to draw from. To argue the internal logic of the book/s is one thing but to argue it as an actual real, tangible thing that exists oitside the book/s is insane.

[@sundayoliver3147]

There's a Hindu gentleman in the comments above who writes very interestingly that, reading it from a Hindu point of view, the Bible is all about Karma--i.e. actions and the consequences of actions. That it's a kind of perfect guide to that.

[@GameTimeWhy]

@@sundayoliver3147 yeah this is one, apparently, Hindus take. I know a lot of Hindu people and have literally never heard this comparison ever.

[@Lightman741]

Not once in 15 years of church attendance was this book ever quoted from. Neither was Amos or most of the OT really

[@sundayoliver3147]

In my church we got one reading from the OT and one reading from the NT in each service (huh, I'm just realizing now: why is it called a "service"? Kind of reminds me of Steinbeck's remark about "service stations"). And yet the actual awfulness of god was covered in a sort of religious syrup.

[@johnfox9169]

There are some good aspects of the Bible. However, as an atheist/agnostic, I find theism mindlessly pointless in a RATIONAL Universe!!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Yes. Theres plenty of beauty or wisdom but its not worth the baggage it brings with it

[@wafflezz9365]

How is it that the author of Lamentations is able to continue trusting in God (see chapter 3:22-33), even though he experienced the hardships described in Lamentations, yet you, who did not experience through hardships, criticize God? I’ll ask the same question again. Your criticisms of God’s morality, is this just your opinion based on your subjective morality?

[@nickguy8037]

Yes… my subjective morality is challenging God’s subjective morality. Learn what the word “subjective” means.

[@GameTimeWhy]

You worship a monster.

[@istvansipos9940]

morality is alway subjective. So the only possible answer to your question is YES. my morality is a set of opinions about a lot of things. And so is yours. I consider genocide wrong. An Austrian painter and the bible g0d in the st0ry considered it nice. You can follow your subjective morality or mine or that of the g0d, etc etc etc. Either way, it is subjective. as a counter example, the density of water is objective. The same for everybody, no matter what you think / feel about water.

[@rizdekd3912]

" I’ll ask the same question again. Your criticisms of God’s morality, is this just your opinion based on your subjective morality?" Is it different than if someone praises God for his morality? Is someone's assessment that God is good based on subjective or objective morality? If objective, what is that objective (noncircular) basis...ie something independent of God that one can use to assess God as good?

[@TheZeroNeonix]

God, as a character, has never been slow to anger. In the stories that are obviously pure fiction, where the writer can make God do all these miraculous things in front of everybody, God is very quick tempered. The second he's offended, he is quick to smite not only everyone who offended him, but everyone around the people who offended him. Moses had to step in to convince God that totally destroying the Hebrews for breaking the rules he didn't give them yet would have been a bad look for him. But when we get to the parts of the Bible based on real human experiences, where God starts to hide himself for some reason, suddenly he's "slow to anger." To me, this is very clearly just an excuse so that when bad things inevitably happen, these prophets can blame it on this "sin" that has been happening for years by that point. Because God is fictional, his "judgement" can't come as swiftly as more fantastical books of the Bible would have us expect it to. So just say that God is "slow to anger" and wait for something bad to happen, then retroactively blame that bad thing on sin. Bonus points if you're one of those doom and gloom street preachers who are always claiming that God's judgement is just around the corner, and you just happen to be the one around when that bad thing happens. "See! I told you something bad was going to happen!" There's never not a time those people are making those kinds of predictions, but one of them has to be right eventually. Broken clocks and all.

[@jamesgrosrenaudjr812]

Laminations sounds like deconstruction of a Jew writer .

[@DannyWJaco]

👍🏼

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks for watching

[@shadamyandsonamylover]

The explanation I’ve always heard is that this is just misinterpretation by the people relaying God’s word and writing it down. Like “go kill everyone” - God didn’t really say that but the guy who said God did just thought that’s what he was saying.

[@Badficwriter]

When interpretations are that far off, the text becomes meaningless. I think there is some worth in it..but no more than any other collection of quality human literature.

[@shadamyandsonamylover]

@@Badficwriter that’s a good point.

[@nickguy8037]

@@Badficwriter” quality “ human literature? Remember, you are referring the the Bible as a whole. If you pick and choose the good bits and ignore the rest, what value is there in your assessment?

[@sundayoliver3147]

@@nickguy8037 I'd guess he means "quality" in a literary way. Any myth that lasts as long as the bible has, clearly resonates with humans in the same way that the Eddas do, for instance, or the Greek myths, or Taoism. None of which are all sweetness and light, because human experience isn't all sweetness and light. And all of which reflect the cultures and prejudices of the time and place they were written in, and so are shaped by that. My definition of "quality" human literature would be the stories that last a long time because they address eternal human problems. Yours may be different.

[@nickguy8037]

@@sundayoliver3147 yes… I don’t think something broken gains the descriptor “quality” just because it has been around for a long time. To me that sounds insane.

[@TheRatzor]

The issue I have is God wraith or angry its insane and it does not seem mature but just bat shit crazy Any God with compassion love empathy would not act in this manner period What's the difference between God and Hitler God worse because he torments you forever!

[@charlynesimms9451]

The final exile is Deuteronomy 28 Atlantic slave trade scattered til this very day

[@luizr.5599]

Cool. Hey, do not leave out the Catholic books Protestant Bibles don't have

[@sundayoliver3147]

Oh I'd be interested to hear about them! But that might come better from a deconstructed Catholic, don't you think? Someone who has the same familiarity with them that Brandon has with the books he covers.

[@luizr.5599]

@@sundayoliver3147 I think textual analysis of them does not require having been a Catholic. First because most Catholics are not all that about reading the Bible literally, and also because I would love to see Brandon talk about apocrypha and all related kind of Christian holy books.

[@kevinx7015]

30 He giveth his cheek to him that smiteth him: he is filled full with reproach. 31 For the Lord will not cast off for ever: 32 But though he cause grief, yet will he have compassion according to the multitude of his mercies. Lamentations 3:30-32 KJV

[@istvansipos9940]

in other words: a Nonsense rant about magic. Fascinating

[@kevinx7015]

@@istvansipos9940 What seems to be nonsense is when one claims something to be a fact but doesn’t prove that claim to be a fact. You didn’t state that your claim of being a nonsense rant is your belief, so that means one can reasonably conclude that you claim is a claim of fact. However, a fact isn’t a fact unless it’s proven to be a fact. So, let’s see your irrefutable evidence that what was cited in scripture concerning a God who withholds evidence of divinity on purpose, is a nonsense rant?

[@istvansipos9940]

@@kevinx7015 "So, let’s see your irrefutable evidence" The great Xukk'tishti created the word. she just "withholds evidence of divinity on purpose" no, I don't define her. Or divinity. I don't offer any way to test her existence. Thus, you cannot even hope to test the claim about her creations. the track record of the g0d is exactly like that. I replaced the g0d with a randomly invented word, and the claim makes equally 0.000 sense, leads mankind equally to nowhere, and furthers our understanding the same way: It does not. that's how nonsense terms (f.e. the g0d) work. They don't. but give it a try. Provide any testable claim about the g0d. We might see if the g0d can outperform a random word. so far, after milllennia of scams from the g0d fans and after 2 minutes from my random goddess, it is a draw between these 2 deities. the only difference: my invented goddess is not genocidal, and nobody was killed or tortured in her name. give critical thinking a try one day. without lies, religi0n DIES.

[@fdameron]

Children were deserving of gods wrath, no. According to the bible god is a loose cannon with no concern for who gets caught in his path. God is nothing more than a supernatural child throwing multiple temper tantrums.

[@ryanvoll7088]

There was no slavery during the period that Egypt occupied the Levant. The Bible gets that part wrong. Mind you, we know Moses is a fictional character, not a real person.

[@OldMotherLogo]

None of this makes any sense if you believe in a loving, all powerful God. It makes perfect sense if you are an atheist.

[@studiosandi]

If God was a person he would probably be in prison if he lived in a just to society.

[@AlabamaMothman]

These older societies used to make baby sacrifices. One would think that democrats could appreciate the sacrifice of babies. After all they do thousands every year.

[@nickguy8037]

I’m willing to engage in the pro-life, pro-choice debate. But only with people who have brains. Your comment suggests you are lacking in that department. You misused the word “baby” and misused the word “sacrifice”. You also assume that you are only up against the democrats. I’m not a democrat, but I understand how wrong you are.

[@sundayoliver3147]

You could also say that Republicans, with their dedication to having everyone have war weapons, are child-sacrificers--- school shootings don't happen in countries where there is sensible gun regulation, and didn't used to happen in our own country when there was sensible gun regulation, where people had to learn to respect what guns could do and use them properly. And by the way, according to biblical law, a fetus wasn't considered a child until "quickening", movement in the womb. And abortion at any point to save the mother's life was not just permitted, but encouraged.

[@istvansipos9940]

a brainless clump of cells is not a baby. Read another book. by the way, IF I assume the existence of the g0d, the g0d kills way more "babies" than any democrat ever.

[@hamobu]

That sort of grief and desperation must be like what Palestinians are feeling today.

[@PrometheanRising]

And their God sits silently by. If only they could draw an obvious conclusion from that.

[@ralphricart3177]

Brandon, the light of world, putting the thug(God) of the Bible in his place. What a sage.

[@LM-jz9vh]

You've got that right. --------------------------------------‐------------------ *This website is designed to spread the vicious truth about the Bible. For far too long priests and preachers have completely ignored the vicious criminal acts that the Bible promotes. The so called God of the Bible makes Osama Bin Laden look like a Boy Scout. This God, according to the Bible, is directly responsible for many mass-murders, rapes, pillage, plunder, slavery, child abuse and killing, not to mention the killing of unborn children.* I have included references to the Biblical passages, so grab your Bible and follow along. *It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said Thou shall not kill.* For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses (Joshua 6). In Judges 21 He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! *Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody!* In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 & Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9). ***This type of criminal behavior should shock any moral person.*** ***Murder, rape, pillage, plunder, slavery, and child abuse can not be justified by saying that some god says it’s OK.*** If more people would actually sit down and read the Bible there would be a lot more atheists like myself. *Jesus also promoted the idea that all men should castrate themselves to go to heaven:* For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it (Matthew 19:12). *I don’t know why anyone would follow the teachings of someone who literally tells all men to cut off their privates.* The God of the Bible also was a big fan of ritual human sacrifice and animal sacrifice. *And just in case you are thinking that the evil and immoral laws of the Old Testament are no longer in effect, perhaps you should read where Jesus makes it perfectly clear:* It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid (Luke 16:17). There are many more quotes on this topic at my Do Not Ignore the Old Testament web page. *If you follow the links on this site you will learn about all the nasty things in the Bible that are usually not talked about by priests and preachers.* www.evilbible.com/ Watch *"Context!!!!!!"* by NonStampCollector (A good video for believers who try to rationalise Biblical atrocities and immorality by saying "Out of context".)

[@jon.skeptischism]

That’s right. Welcome to the club!

[@ralphricart3177]

@@jon.skeptischism What club? Clownworld?