Minecraft 1.9 - What Went Wrong?

Minecraft 1.9 is regularly recognized as one of the most important updates in Minecraft history, and usually, not for good reason. The combat mechanics brought within this new version split the PvP community down the middle, causing millions of players to refuse to play the newest versions of the game. In today's episode of Minecraft Uncovered, we take a look at what early PvP did right, what the Combat Update did wrong, and how Mojang is fixing it.
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[@melo7572]

13:33 Fun fact, the current update actually has a cooldown for axes despite them doing more damage, making axes and swords equal!!

[@haroldbeladas9097]

EQUAL YAY! BALANCED YAY!

[@HippityhoppityGnW]

POG BABY

[@Damian-cilr2]

@@strastven5475 well the damage of axes would make no sense then and because of the fact that axes while slow have a very sharp edge for cutting trees and while minecraft doesnt make much sense anyways it would make much more sense for axes to do a lot damage slowly And if it were to make more sense diamond swords and axes would have a higher cooldown than wooden axes and swords because of the heft If anything attack speed should be removed for swords but not anything else

[@jonatanhokeberghellqvist3420]

Ask any decent 1.9+ pvper and they will tell you that swords are still better than axes

[@Inveist]

@@jonatanhokeberghellqvist3420 depending on your playstyle tho so you cant really say that. There for i am going to asume you aren't decent at 1.9+ pvp

[@woolwarian]

I think healing arrows were meant for shooting the undead.

[@mcbyt]

True, but they still work on players :P

[@makeshiftmelon8135]

@@mcbyt it does more damage than it heals xD

[@mcbyt]

@@makeshiftmelon8135 Not if they have armor on, surely

[@makeshiftmelon8135]

@@mcbyt you're right lol

[@laserslime]

They were meant for simple consistency that's it.

[@NPED-rh3fy]

11:38 me and the boys scaffolding

[@Sidharth_V_Jain]

scaffolding on a budget

[@tubulartimothy6601]

AT 13:00 you made an error. Bows made for sport today aren't powerful enough to pierce through armor and thus can be held for extended periods of time, but bows used for warfare could only be drawn for a few seconds before being shot as the curve had much more resistance in order to create power in the shot.

[@lordedmundblackadder9321]

Modern bows are so shit, it makes me sad.

[@dinnerboons1504]

@@lordedmundblackadder9321 they do their job which is all that matters.

[@_wxlt]

@@lordedmundblackadder9321 i wouldn't know, but i'd imagine they're not exactly shit, but less fun

[@fire_redux]

Okay... really lengthy comment I know, I didn't intend for it to be this long, but I had a lot to say about this. It's fine if you don't feel like reading, I just wanted to get my full opinion out. ------ You put "clearly biased" in the title of the series as a joke, but the way you frame a lot of highly subjective and divisive things in absolutes really detracts from your arguments and hurts what is otherwise a pretty good video. I've been playing MC since 2013, so I have years of experience with both versions. 1.9+ definitely is not balanced all that well, but I personally prefer it to the previous version for reasons I'll go over. This is a sentiment I'm sure many in these comments have echoed-combat effectiveness being so heavily reliant on click speed **I THINK** is mindless and unfun. Having to constantly click as fast as you can anytime you're hitting someone is aggravating and very tiring at an advanced level. Again, I say this having played pre-1.9 PvP for almost 4 years. Block hits themselves I don't have enough experience with to comment on, but relegating defensive options to an item dedicated to them makes a lot more sense in my opinion. I'd also like to address some of the things you say that I think are (as stated above) unfair and biased: - Calling the addition of attack speed "sudden and unneeded" and "dreaded" is disingenuous to both the sentiments many players had before 1.9 and what the combat update itself was trying to do. The disdain for spam clicking was present long before 1.9, and it's abundantly clear that this is the reason it was added. You and many others dislike attack speed for various reasons, but to claim its addition is illogical simply isn't true-their objective was to make spam clicking ineffective and focus more on the other elements: aiming, strafing, and crits, which they did. Whether or not this is a good thing and the new system's quality are up for debate, but there was a desire from many to implement a new system beforehand, and it *did* accomplish what it was designed to do. - 7:26 The new damage values of the weapons is imbalanced, but it most certainly doesn't "make no sense". You address attack speed and damage separately when the two go hand-in-hand. Axes deal more damage than their sword counterparts, but their speed is far lower. You state that wood axes are just as powerful as diamond swords when this is completely false, as diamond swords have double the attack speed of wooden axes, making their DPS double that of the wooden axe, which is ironically very close to how it is pre-1.9: 3 damage vs 7 damage. As for the other tools, no one uses them in combat still, same as before, so I don't understand the fuss over them. Now, again, axes above wood are significantly more effective than their sword counterparts in most situations when it comes to PvP. I do think this is a major flaw-I really like the dynamic between the fast-hitting swords and the hard-hitting axes, and swords can be more useful in some situations, but overall axes were made too powerful. This point could have been argued well, but instead you label the entire system as "bad" and "illogical", making seem like you don't really understand these mechanics, detracting from your argument. - 8:09 You show in the picture that the higher the tool tier, the faster the attack speed. I wouldn't call that "confusing and illogical". Wood and gold are the odd ones out, but the 4 highest tiers (including netherite) progress in a way that at is definitely "logical". Having done a lot of 1.9 combat, I can say with certainty that even those slight differences in attack speed on the axes can make a big difference if you're good at the game, just as you state later that tiny reach increases can also make a huge difference. - 8:30 I mean... it kind of goes without saying that having to block with a separate item is less useful than being able to attack *and* block with the same item. Just like with attack speed, that's the whole point-sword blocking was considered too overpowered (and probably too broken as well) by Mojang, so they made a new item for it. There's already a lot of complaints about how powerful shields are, so making them as universally applicable as sword blocks would be much too far. Also, if sword blocking hadn't been removed, you would be completely unable to use shields while wielding a sword, as both use right-click and main hand items take priority over those in the off hand. Shield combat is very weird to learn and somewhat janky, I'd be the first to say that, but I don't think it has any more or less merit than the regular sword duels of pre-1.9 (in fact I'd take the former any day of the week). It's just very *different* from what people were used to, which brings me to my last point. There are some big flaws with 1.9's combat, but I don't feel like those were really discussed in this video. I agree with your point about healing items and food, streak is very overpowered, but the rest feels like a blanket condemnation of the entirety of what Mojang was going for, rather than an actual critique of how well/poorly they accomplished their vision. There's definitely purpose to attack speed, damage, shields, etc, and all of those things come together to form a mode of combat that is very different in feel to what had been established before. Something a lot of people understandably have a hard time getting when it comes to games is just because something people like gets replaced by something else does not necessarily mean the new is worse. Often times those things get removed for a good reason, whether that be for balance or because it no longer fits in with the developers' vision. Such is the case with 1.9 combat: with the way the game is now, removing attack speed would not work at all because weapons now have more than 1 important attribute by default besides damage. Thanks for reading-I think this video was still well-made and I really like your other content that I've seen, I just wanted to offer a critique of your arguments here and share my full thoughts.

[@Captain-mz6mg]

“The dreaded attack cool down” “A wooden axe is just as effective as a diamond sword” Let me lay it out for you. Wooden Axe: Damage: 7 Speed: 0.8 Diamond Sword: Damage: 7 Speed: 1.6. The diamond sword might as well do 14 damage when compared to the wooden axe.

[@Perc1000]

Axes disable shields tho

[@imwaddles1990]

@@Perc1000 you dont pvp on 1.9 do you ??

[@Perc1000]

@@imwaddles1990 they literally do

[@rayvenhd387]

@@imwaddles1990 I would use a wooden axe and a netheritr sword.

[@turkler1719]

yeah a lot of people don't look at the real picture. the swords technically deal less damage per hit but they have a much, much higher dps.

[@jordancarter9064]

I can understand why 1.9 is hated because of the community already built around 1.8 (+ server issues too), but its literally just a different pvp style. I can understand why someone might prefer one or whatever but alot of people directly compare the too and basically complain oh its not like the old system which is dumb, its meant to be different and also can be lots of fun

[@i_likemen5614]

I think the reason why 1.9 is hated isn't because it is objectively a bad system that takes no skill, but it's because mojang completely removed the old combat which had a huge community surrounding it and replaced it with something that is completely different. If mojang made the combat toggleable or something like that, then I feel like a lot more people would try 1.9 out

[@rivermcc]

Takes no skill? Ah yes, timing, comboing, crit spamming, aiming, no skill yes yes

[@i_likemen5614]

@@rivermcc I literally said that wasn't the reason. Can you read???

[@HajpeQ123]

Do people still don't understand that swords are supposed to by fast strong weapons and axes slow heavy hitters? Like in the endgame axes became useless compare to swords.

[@GGGameingSavageenjoin]

No axes do not become useless infect are the best weapon in the game in 1.9+

[@HajpeQ123]

@@GGGameingSavageenjoin only until you get enchantements and netherite

[@GGGameingSavageenjoin]

@@HajpeQ123 even after

[@HajpeQ123]

@@GGGameingSavageenjoin no

[@thebushbros6626]

@@GGGameingSavageenjoin no

[@DaciGotYou]

And coming up next on MCTV it’s..... AIDAN RELAYS HIS CLEARLY BIASED OPINIONS ON A TRIVIAL ISSUE WITH A CHILDRENS GAME

[@ykwimfr4274]

says the person with a loverfella pfp

[@Unpug]

We love that show

[@noerplays230]

@MOHAMED ALOBEIDLI wat

[@zen_wolf_xyt1041]

I don't see why they couldn't, honestly.

[@Dicezyy]

i agree, yes, its his opinion. But how tf is mc a childrens game lol. And you have a loverfella pfp like bro wdymmm

[@jasperrice8456]

9:00 on the subject of it not making sense with the sweeping attacks. it is extremely hard to do a sweeping attack while moving. it is extremely difficult to sweep a sword horizontally while moving from side to side, even at a low speed, as the acceleration of your body puts a lot of stress on your joints, making your sweep tend to stop in the middle of the attack. you can do one while dashing backwards with a short sword or broadsword, but doing one forward is surprisingly difficult. sweeping attacks are generally a lot easier to do in real life while standing still, and increase in difficulty and decrease in effectiveness. in short, because of the momentum and acceleration of your body and your sword, specifically because they are different, it is very hard to sweep a sword while running/dashing. you can do one while turning, but not at a high speed. also, putting more momentum behind the attack is effective if you are doing an overarm vertical swing or a thrust, and it is therefore easier to hit a single target than do a sweeping attack. (sorry for bad writing, english is a second language)

[@mortimermouse3086]

All mojang needed to do is add something like "/gamerule oldCombat true" I've been in the pvp community since 2015 and it sucks playing on a 7 year old version of the game to enjoy pvp

[@mortimermouse3086]

The video pointed out a lot of things I didn't realize would hurt pvp... PVP is never going to be the same because mojang doesn't realize the appeal of pvp. I think the largest minecraft server staying on 1.8 is a statement in itself.

[@Noahed_]

@@mortimermouse3086 maybe, but I still think it should be focusing on improving 1.8 instead of trying to fix 1.9.

[@owenleonard3153]

Or you could play latest version. 1.9 pvp takes skill too there is strafing, timing, and sprint resetting

[@mortimermouse3086]

@@owenleonard3153 XD

[@rachelstreit7729]

No just no

[@jacksonwang8130]

I disagree that sword block hitting being removed is unnecessary, since with it, you cannot duel wield with a sword in main hand and a shield (which before 1.11 only blocks 66% of damage) gave a way of optional “sword blocking” Also momentum gives you knockback attacks which cancels sweeping attacks

[@iambatman3091]

Not gonna lie, i prefer 1.9 and above's combat system because it feels more like it is Strategical Like, blocking with a shield or attacking Trident, Sword or Axe Elytra for movement and dodging or Armor for protection Bows or Crossbows, since while Crossbows deal more damage and you can move while holding them, they take more time to charge than a bow. I also like the idea of attack cooldown, because it changes the fight a lot, instead of trying to attack as quickly as possible, you try to do as many crits as possible to compensate for having to wait to deal high damage, making it so you think a bit more when fighting. And Axes being strong makes total sense, think about it, swords are actually weaker than Axes are, but Swords are lighter, making them good for someone who has a low defense or no shield, while Axes are brutal weapons which can pierce shields(Because Shields are made out of wood so they get cut by the Axe) and are slower, making it a balance between high damage and high speed. Not only that but Arrows became great in 1.9 because it also gives more strategy and more options, like, should i use spectral arrows to see my opponent better or special arrows to damage over time or give them slowness, that all together makes 1.9 more of a "Strategy Combat" update. Edit : It is entirely subjective and you may prefer whatever you prefer, also, great video.

[@officialprincelouie]

I agree

[@gurkimo1304]

Well 1.9 pvp is just a different way of pvp. It isn't just the ax and shield camping but also comboing which is even a bit harder imo: u need to follow them with ur corsair,time ur attacks and strafe left and right.

[@GGGameingSavageenjoin]

@shirtless boy Why wouldn't someone not want to combo someone?

[@GGGameingSavageenjoin]

@shirtless boy Who said survival and that's subjective let's be honest it does fit it you just don't think it does

[@derpyfish2177]

Ok, so I am a 1.9+ pvper and i wanna tell u something out of my perspective... I think axes should do more damage because u use thesword and the axe completely differently (u slice with a sword and SMASH with an axe) I do not want wooden and stone axes to do this much damage tho (maybe all wooden tools should be nerfed in damage, stone too, but not that much) -Cooldown I would say, that it is a necessary step for a good combat system, because in 1.8 cps mattered too much and that's just not how a game should be because people with an autoclicker or reach hacks would destroy anyone who isn't like a pro pvper. The axe should have a longer cooldown than the sword cuz it's just heavier and u can't do the fluent moves with it so much (if u had ever chopped wood, u would know) -Material differences in damage Wood should do like up to 3 hearts maximum cuz it's just a stick generally (maybe axe 4 hearts cuz it's heavier) Gold is not easy to sharpen and gets dull soooo quickly (should do the same amount of damage Stone should do up to 4 hearts of damage because it's a pretty strong material and doesn't get dull (again axe is heavier, 5 hearts) Iron should do 6 hearts (axe 8 hearts, cuz it's just better than a diamond sword) Diamonds 7 hearts (axe should deal 9 hearts of damage) Different tools Axe (heavy, sharp) --> more damage, but longer cooldown Sword (rather light, sharp, cutting weapon, double sided) --> less damage, less coldown because of the swinging movement Pickace (not really sharp, heavy, not easy at all to use in real life combat) --> should have a long cooldown (doesn't have) but a bit more damage Hoe (used for cutting corn and stuff, pretty sharp, fast attack, but little weight) small damage, faster cooldown Shovel.......... U serious?????? U would want to use this for combat? Sweeping edge Swords again ARE USED TO CUT AND SLICE, SO THEY SHOULD DO SWEEPING DAMAGE, maybe still while running and stuff, but it's generally all a sword is used to in irl combat Anyways, u should try out crystal pvp, maybe this will make u love 1.9+ (if u find out how it works)

[@derpyfish2177]

Hi, i put my sweat and blood into this comment, pls upvote it, if u agree with me

[@CustomName]

1.8.9 was the best

[@justlocar]

ok.

[@mcbyt]

for sureeeeee

[@2005-toyota-corolla]

untrue >:I

[@veryfamous8776]

1.7.10 was better

[@bam7655]

@@veryfamous8776 but u suck at 1.8.9 pvp :(

[@ali_xD_]

why tf is this guy so underrated

[@justmiyalmao]

aaaaa how he said elytra elitra ew

[@pyrobox7810]

Here before its viral B). This update kinda coincided with the game's popularity waining aswell as pissing off a massive part of the community. Amazing video btw

[@kekskruemel05]

I like 1.9 combat because it isn't just r@ping your mouse until the other dies but you need to hit at the right moment also it has some tactical things like the axe does much damage in one hit and counters shields for a while but has a long cooldown the sword has high dps and an area of effect attack so if you need to onehit something or your enimie has a shield then the axe is your friend do you need to kill a army or something with high Hp then use the sword.

[@DerpyDudesMC]

"it isn't just r@ping your mouse until the other dies" nahh bruh 1.9 players always complain how 1.8 players 'have never tried 1.9' and then they say nonense like this

[@Minecraftlover73]

@@DerpyDudesMC ah yes, keep destroying the mirror, it will make that statement not true one day.

[@DerpyDudesMC]

@@Minecraftlover73 ??????

[@melo7572]

9:05 "momentum allows you to put more force" the desperation shows

[@Aqua2D]

ye ive always felt kinda weird about the reach mechanic in the snapshots

[@BuildTimeMC]

I wish they would re add sword blocking

[@mcbyt]

For real. That's honestly the saddest part for me ;_;

[@adianchowdhury9016]

they should re add sworld blocking, it would bring more variety and flexibility, and will greatly buff the sword

[@dimitrywasnttaken3165]

It realy has no point in 1.9 sprint reseting is usse less and the 50% damage reduction is usseles as you have the sheild

[@BuildTimeMC]

@yupyipit I do

[@BuildTimeMC]

I'm not sure why they removed it, it's not in the way of anything, like the sword blocking will block 50% damage and the sheild blocks 100% damage They can both exist, so why was it removed?

[@UxhatUs]

if you want maximum damage to something like forcing players to run away, use an axe but if you wanna kill them, use a sword because even tho the axe have more damage, its speed suck and sword kill things faster (but its only netherite and diamond sword. iron, stone and wooden sword is worse than axe)

[@Magnogen]

People who prefer pre 1.9: "i JuSt WaNt To ClIcK fAsT"

[@EmeraldGamerOriginal]

I remember when the shield came out I never used it because I still thought crouching with a sword worked.

[@KidPrarchord95]

1.9 combat: Great for PvE, awful for PvP. 1.8 combat: Awful for PvE, great for PvP.

[@owenleonard3153]

you probably main hypixel you have no idea what you’re saying

[@obsidianlivesmatter754]

@@owenleonard3153 Well, for me, Im kinda vibing with his statement. 1.9 combat is a pretty good system for PvE, but just not the best for PvP. Kinda overcomplicated imo. 1.7-1.8, is boring as a pve system, but pretty good as a pvp system. And yes, ive done PvE on 1.9+ versions, and I have done PvE on 1.8 version, so I think ik what saying.

[@ronan_b]

Another thing they experimented with was that drinkable potions stack to 16 which I think might be overpowered but with the interrupted eating might balance it out.

[@Noahed_]

I'd say up to four for potions.

[@Noahed_]

Reason being is that it is multiples of four. 1x4, 4x4, 16x4.

[@whosthisrandom220]

what went wrong: mojang made people who just learned how to scroll click scream across the entirety of earth by adding a cooldown on full damage hits

[@Garfield_Minecraft]

really they should make combat system be switchable. if you want old or new be optional when i play old combat i always lose but new it's 50/50 i listened to my finger my finger say no to old combat :/ but when pve it's a lot harder that's why i also hate and love both combat

[@ki0]

How to make everyone happy with the combat system: Just add an option to choose between 1.8 and 1.9 combat

[@diegorabr]

Pretty sure there is a gamerule that disables attack cooldown. And that would not solve the problem It would only divide the community even more

[@adianchowdhury9016]

@@diegorabr there isnt such gamerule

[@Square31]

No one would use 1.9, lol

[@owenleonard3153]

@@Square31 untrue

[@velocity9OOOYT]

@@Square31 This man is out here assuming that we're all on one side. Well guess what. I hate being gangbanged by people who think that spamming swords is a good and fun way to PVP. Just slow down a bit with your attacks, and don't get cranky that you can't stab people faster, geez.

[@brighterror6130]

1.9 depends weather it's good or not depending on the player..If the players like realism and wants to have combat like other games which have a cooldown thingy or whether the person likes to play games like skyward and bedwars

[@lordbacon2656]

Can everyone at least agree that more people like 1.9 PvP now than when it first came out

[@kebeiwjwgseywgw5590]

its not too hard to come up with a number larger then 0

[@GGGameingSavageenjoin]

@@kebeiwjwgseywgw5590 dream.

[@speedyiselite8004]

I agree because 1.8 is getting so boring

[@Astralarius_Zenith]

I think it's just because newer players were acquainted with the new combat mechanics. But still, even though I don't have the perfect statistics, I believe that 1.8 PvP still dominates because of the popularity of 1.8 PvP gamemodes such as skywars and bedwars and 1.8 has been the most preferred version of most PvP players.

[@GGGameingSavageenjoin]

@@Astralarius_Zenith yeah I am not trying to seem like I am gloating but I am a master at both and 1.8 is WAY bigger

[@PineappleWappleMinecraftVids]

I find it sad that a combat test snapshot hasn't came out in 2 years now.

[@cayzee9507]

Could you maybe try making a video on who's truly the world's best minecrafter and base it of redstone, building and pvp since most people only base it of how good you are at pvp

[@KingKevin2024]

I feel like 1.9 marked the turning point for Minecraft from then on Minecraft started to lose popularity

[@vichael]

You can already tell something went wrong if so many players stayed at 1.8.8 for so many years.

[@Zepheron]

yeah, server performance

[@thebookless3381]

So sad... I love +1.9 combatbecause it's slower (yes, people like me exist), but I understand why people prefer the old ones.

[@theodfe60]

Stfu and adapt literally just learn it in a vet and pvper stop wining it's not that bad, just get good

[@vichael]

@@theodfe60 Your english gave a stroke but I somehow made my way through what you said and I wanna say that i play the new pvp too i just dont like its mechanics, the new items are good tho

[@theodfe60]

@@vichael I was good at the old pvp but tbh it would've sucked with Netherite and knockback resistance literally not possible to combo even w knockback 2 so they'd be no point to the old system

[@pokemon5life167]

This is a minor thing but I love it when you are bridging in bedwars you speed it up. It's such a small thing but it goes such a long way

[@betoorourke2096]

Guys, I don't think you realize how easy it was to kill mobs in-game by spamming It was just weird But 1.9 did make PVP less fun but survival was SO much better

[@Square31]

Actually ruined both...

[@i_likemen5614]

@@Square31 1.9 for survival is pretty good (shields are too op though)

[@gonzalitorg5124]

I liked the the new combat, but not only was realeased with broken items that are still prety opnspecialy to npc's, but also the fact that you cant switch combat types with a game rule madenit fruatating and unesesery dividing and is still the worst decision that Mojang ever made.

[@kaiden8197]

This video didnt age well lmao,with the new 1.19 pvp update

[@gamebotpocket]

The reach of weapons can actually be changed with commands, so I don't honestly think the reach thing will be a huge deal on servers at least. Then again, the attack cooldown can also be removed with commands and nobody noticed or used it, so I don't know how much that'll solve.

[@fredbobmas6082]

Hello there fellow adventurer of the comment section

[@epacgames9197]

Bows do work like that, unless if they are compound. Compound bows are much easier to keep drawn than a recurve.

[@mcbyt]

It's not wrong that accuracy is lost as the bow is kept drawn, it's just the way that idea is implemented into Minecraft that it's unrealistic to me

[@ArdaSReal]

It killed Minecraft pvp, i remember the days were we would sweat so Hard, play ultra hardcore, bed wars tournements and so much more... It all died out

[@ss._.64]

imo from a 1.9 players perspective the only really bad parts of combat are the fact that shields are really laggy above 50 ping and buckets are broken, but other than that certain gamemodes like UHC are way better in 1.9 because of crossbows cobwebs swimming and tridents, and shield disables make swords way more useful than axes in most fights, though hotbar swapping the two is difficult its much more effective than just using an axe. also the new combat stuff is just gonna divide the community more and create a 3rd preffered combat type and complicate the PVP community more, and i think it would be better if mojang either reverted the disliked changes completely or didnt change them at all, either would be better than updating to a system that seems to be becoming more and more complex and confusing than even 1.9 with the reach changing and stuff. Also certain servers and gamemodes don't include axes or nerf them, just like how on servers like hypixel certain features are adjusted for QOL. Lastly pls dont play on cubecraft as its one of the worst and laggiest 1.9 servers, try playing on servers like minecraft ultimate, vultex, mineclub, apollouhc, or pvplegacy which are all way more fun and less laggy. tldr: 1.9 combat is good sometimes if u actually try to get good at it and not just dislike it because other ppl do and u havent tried it, also new combat snapshots = too complicated

[@ss._.64]

One more thing, i play 1.8 too but i like 1.9 way more, just personal preference since your equipment matters way more in 1.8 which seems like total bs

[@StarCat-8]

how do you make falling items realistic ?

[@Skepicron]

@Gris'erSaysHi @Jacob De Guzman they are fixing it so in 1.18 you would have spam click back, snowballs op, and basically combat update part 2, Best part is that you got 4 blocks reach with a sword and swords are a lot stronger, you can stack potions, if someone is attacking you, holding shields actually makes you have damage and knockback but weaker like block hit, basically Jeb is still working on it so be patient, it will be good and he has took his time to add a combat system adding both 1.8 and 1.9 together, Combos are a lot easier and CPS limit is 7 so it is fair for other players, you get combos by strafing This latest update is called snapshot 8c and It will come out, just fixing combat. And Yes I said this twice but you can spam click with no cooldown

[@TussalBreak]

i actually found a good way around the 1.9 update and used a bow but when they took away the ability to put mending and infinity on the same bow that ticked me off

[@shadowwaffle3329]

Everyone: why weapons have different attack speeds Me: weight

[@mistypikku]

The idiot known as mcbyt: y AxEs Do MoRe ThAn SwOrDs Me: weight and force concentration

[@rayyansheik]

minecraft should add a gamerule that will remove the attack cooldown when its toggled

[@katru2609]

me seeing this video: everything

[@thatonekid3373]

u probably got rekt on cubecraft lol

[@alpha_male]

Honestly I can’t see any good player switching to a new system that no one knows anything about over 1.8.9, these changes are cool for single player or even multiplayer survival but no where else. Also if they want any server to acutally update to this they need to make sure that servers like hypixel can handle it without crashing and burning due to how poorly optimized it is and the renaming of EVERY SINGLE ITEM FOR NO REASON. Not to mention what the mod devs would have to do

[@suki-artsanimations807]

Honestly I love the 1.9 update I always wanted battle axes that do immense damage then how much a sword does or using a shield to block damage I could understand pace of combat being slow but I do like it more in pvp and pve unless bedwars for bedwars it should be fast like before

[@NotCzech001]

0:35 nope ,before 1.9 beta 1.8 was considered to be the worst minecraft update

[@HappyPlaysWasTaken]

what we need: /gamerule legacycombat true

[@mcbyt]

For real. I don't know why Mojang denied that idea.

[@future1751]

I like both pvp updates, I prefer 1.8 but 1.9 is very fun as well and I don’t want it to change

[@not_brainiac]

Unlike most people, I really like the 1.9 updates. In 1.8 you just spammed the sword and fishing rod, but the 1.9 update has a lot more skill and thinking involved. Although the update at first was pretty bad, they had improved it quite a lot over the coming updates.

[@Adwertise]

Although I like 1.9+ more, I think 1.8 requires a lot of skill

[@AndreNYH]

What I think about this issue is that it should’ve been a toggle settings for servers and stuff like that because I really like the combat of 1.9 in a single player against regular mobs I feel like it’s more difficult and I like the challenge. But they are something more customizable for people that likes PVP or people who like the new system.

[@BaccaDeww]

people gonna start a war about this one. good luck o7

[@BaccaDeww]

@Elextrix opinion**

[@BaccaDeww]

@Elextrix there’s other people in the world who play minecraft than dream stans lmao

[@skyeth]

@@BaccaDeww HIII

[@BaccaDeww]

@@skyeth AYOO

[@gurkimo1304]

@Elextrix well i play 1.9 and aint a dream stan. U can easily define the dream stan by the shield and axe.

[@mihaitarogamingftw]

I also consider that the combat tests is a combination of 1.8 and 1.9 PVP. And I also think that the 1.8 PVP-ers will play the combat tests once they are officially released, just because the spam clicking will come back. And for those who really like spamming, the hoe will be the best item, because a diamond hoe deals 2 hearts of damage and when attacking with a hoe, the invulnerability period will be shorter than attacking with a sword or a trident.

[@TKMascott]

Legacy pvp is better for servers, and 1.9 pvp is better for playing survival mode. Change my mind

[@Zepheron]

The main problem is still server performance, not combat. However I also still think that the solution is not a terrible attempt at merging the two systems, but a simple toggle command. The reasoning for this is quite simple - firstly there is personal preference, cater to both parties, secondly some modes objectively work better in certain versions. Bedwars is made with 1.8 mechanics made in mind, whereas late game survival PvP with end crystals and totems is good with 1.9. Why Mojang thinks middle ground is the way is beyond me, just lay the two options out on the table for the players to choose instead of causing a 3-way split?! I personally love both systems, they have their strengths and weaknesses but both function great if used in certain environments. Good video though.

[@i_likemen5614]

Making it toggleable could cause some problems. For example, Mojang would have to update both versions of combat. I feel like a better alternative is to add a weapon that functions like a 1.8 sword or something (also let rods do kb)

[@OnlyMist]

Real answer: People didnt want to change and we’re so used to the old version that they didn’t want to have to learn to get good, 1.9 fixed some of the worst aspects of 1.8 ie. click speed being a factor and the lack of strategic thought, the new update adds strategy on a higher scale and even though it’s more complicated anyone can become good at it regardless of natural abilities such as click speed or ability to to aim perfectly, of course while 1.9 fixed the combat system to avoid exploitation and other problems people refused to learn a new system and therefore if they were good at 1.8 they refused 1.9 while people will do the opposite in a reversed situation, both are viable pvp methods and though personally I believe 1.9 was much better as it was meant for pvp when 1.8 was meant for pve (players vs entities) the version you play does not mean anything about you other than what you’re more comfortable with

[@NeverLeft]

Im gonna have to disagree heavily on the part about 1.8 being for PVE, I think the majority agrees that 1.9 is only good for PVE and 1.8 is for PvP. I dont understand why everyone says 1.8 has no strategy, if were talking about a 1v1 sword on flat land, then yes 1.9 has more strategy but that usually is never the case. Removing click speed and aim lowers the skill gap by alot, almost anyone can be good at 1.9 pvp. I doubt the reason is because 1.8 players didnt want to learn a new version, Its been 5 years and still no veterans play 1.9

[@OnlyMist]

@@NeverLeft Well i say 1.8 is for pve because 1.8 was made before multiplayer, therefore pvp was not the goal, while the 1.9 mechanics were designed specifically to fix player versus player

[@NeverLeft]

@@OnlyMist I joined minecraft in version *1.3.1* (some version in late 2012 not sure) and multiplayer was a thing back then so it was around in 1.8 for sure

[@OnlyMist]

@@NeverLeft Yes, it was around then, but it was still combat that was created before multiplayer, they just took too long to change it after multiplayer started

[@macadamiaman4927]

Why does it sometimes feel like the minecraft devs don't actually play minecraft...

[@wienerschnitzel1739]

You seem to miss the very basic point on a lot of these changes in your fanboying of 1.8 pvp. Actually give some of these changes a try (in addition to many of the problems in 1.8) and you’ll likely see why they exist

[@mcbyt]

Did you watch the video? I defended 1.9 in several ways and played 1.9+ PvP throughout the entire video.

[@GracefulBreak28]

MCBYT:1.9 what went wrong Me:never play java cause i only java phone mcpe Me:its the best combat

[@caelin4174]

Unpopular opinion: 1.9 combat is more challenging and fun for multi-player

[@LonelyDiggers]

This was the first version I had when I got Java Edition. I thought it was alright! Didn't know it was this bad tho.

[@huskkyy2872]

2:42 watchdog 😎😎😎😎😎

[@sleeper5905]

1:33 i loved this

[@shadowmasterSK]

Ok listen , as a 1.9 pvper I would say swords are still better than axes Although shields can be disabled with axes , 100% reduced dmg is bad and should be nerfed Also 1.9 update led to start of crystal PvP and ppl should try it out

[@ImCrazy.B]

why don't you like the combat apdate it is the best you can do so much damage . I LOVE how the axes do so much attack damage

[@dashinking]

Mojang had good intentions but it's a shame they completely alienated a lot of the community by it. Personally I don't really ever pvp as it was never why I started in the first place (survival/building in general) so I felt like 1.9 was just another good update especially due to the elytra. Ngl tho some of the suggested changes seem very biased towards people who do 1.8 pvp like removing quick saturation healing which is super convenient but I get why people wouldn't like it. I just hope one day servers don't have to be forced to stay in the past and everyone can actually enjoy updates

[@altar8010]

Why dont they just add /gamerule between 1.8 and 1.9

[@Warm]

The main things that need to be fixed / changed in the combat snapshots are: Removing the autoclicker Removing the reach modifications and keeping it at 3 blocks Removing the eating interruption Sword blocking added back If those 3 things are changed then servers can replicate the old combat pretty well while keeping a lot of the new features. I've tried it with the current 1.9 combat and it actually worked better than I expected.

[@knezzo1646]

with those changes it would become just a worser version of 1.8, swords would be the meta weapon. The charged attacks and differences in reach keep each melee weapon balanced and gives a lot more playstyles that can be done with multiple weapons. Swordblocking would just be annyoing and ruin the balance between the weapons.I suggest that you tty to play the combat tests with some friends for a bit longer

[@deekblocks2145]

I like how 1.8 Stan’s like to complain a stone axe is better than a diamond sword while you have to wait double the amount of time to attack pretty much making diamond swords do almost double dps and I think most 1.8 supporters don’t like 1.9 because they never tried it and 1.8 uses less ram and because when 1.9 came out people were already good at 1.8 and didn’t want to learn a new pvp

[@DerpyDudesMC]

"1.8 stans"

[@MemePiano69]

Most people who don’t like it just like to grind. They don’t really like to think 1.9 made Minecraft more like Minecraft. It made some aspects less grindy-like

[@CarrotTheKiwi]

minecraft 1.9 - what went wrong? everything..

[@Noahed_]

The best thing was better boats. Change my mind.

[@progamermaster2685]

The guy who made the old combat mechanics plugin: i am god

[@zaniki7307]

I am a person who has played both versions and I still enjoy 1.8/1.7 pvp better. I have hit leaderboards on popular practice servers(lunar and Minemen Club) for nodebuff and soup in the past, and I can say that 1.9+ pvp is just to slow passed. In my opinion COMPARING THE ITEMS NATIVE TO BOTH VERSIONS 1.8/1.7 takes a lot more skill. Minecraft was never a game made for combat, people just liked hitting each other and server owners made profit off of given them a place to do that. 1.8/1.7 PvP was not self explanatory and there were "metas" like wtaping, staping, and distancing that people did not know/share for a long time so it drove many new players away when they tried to join the fun. I feel like the 1.9 update was meant for PvE rather than PVP. I hate to see it when people compare crystal pvp to 1.8/1.7 and say it is better/takes more skill when you are completely unable to do it without shields so it is not a fair comparison. (edit: they could just implement 1.8 pvp again but keep sweeping edge for the PvE players =/)

[@thecamilocho4946]

"Minecraft 1.9 - What Went Wrong? " Me,who can atleast stand a fight: *hides in a corner*

[@ogarkane7336]

I loved 1.8 it is the best update so much can out mobs, flying, charge bows ohhh the good old days

[@smaragdchaos]

You forgot to mention that 1.9 also ruined armor. Now base armor is practically useless without protection enchantments, it's horrible

[@calirs5120]

axes are really only good early game. Late game when you have netherite the sword is a much more viable weapon. Even a diamond sword with good enchants is better than a fully enchanted axe. Late game the axe is only used for trees and disabling shield. But really nothing else. So the sword is still the best weapon in the game overall.

[@Xenon8836]

Lmao this just reminds me of Techno complaining about axes when 1.9 first came out, and then Techno discarding his full enchants netherite axe for a sword in DSMP.

[@iwilldefeatraymak2536]

Me who has 1.16 on and dont have 1.9 combat on bedrock edition:i am 4 parallel universes above you

[@HappyHenry3]

5:54 IS THAT A JOJO REFRENCE?!?!

[@mrelephante]

One thing I love about 1.8 is that I never need to update it

[@Arthur32O]

it works on normal worlds for 1.18+. you just put the description winrar file into the datapack. it needs to be extracted tho

[@PrincessYuki77]

I've never fought the wither, and because of the 1.9 combat update I never will.

[@thatonekid3373]

Nothing went wrong minecraft just evolved and the pvp community couldn't handle it.

[@orangezapinator7450]

???? No??

[@owenleonard3153]

true

[@halston_altman]

they can try to fix it all they want, no actual PVPer cares about or will ever use anything newer then 1.8.9 for pvp

[@arnav.s3030]

People hearing 1.9: 😡 People hearing 1.10+: 👍

[@cedarnomad]

Well if they nerf sweeping, they better buff xp from mobs since spawner farms are like the only good way to get xp early game besides killing pigmen.

[@imtallplslikeme7405]

Love the title

[@oskoboskoh3432]

Honestly, i really dislike "the combat tests" its okay for the pvp comunity to be split. 1.9 combat is defenetly better for normal minecraft than 1.8 and 1.8 is better for games like skywars and UHC. The combat tests would really destroy 1.9 pvpers and removing the regen you get from food would destroy survival. I think that i should stay like it is and have the comunity split.

[@i_likemen5614]

Honestly, the combat tests would probably just split the pvp community again. 1.8/1.7 and 1.9 are way too different

[@coolbasedgigachad6820]

why this channel is not blowing?

[@sytxexe2183]

Me sees title Also me: evrrything

[@PearUhDox]

Protection did not receive any nerfs in 1.9. Armor did, but in a way that you should really have actually clarified the change. (Armor is less effective the more damage you take. This is not the same as saying "protection was nerfed" right after saying "Sharpness was nerfed" implying it was a flat numerical nerf and not a gameplay mechanic change to armor itself) Look I get it 1.9 was bad and everyone hates it but if you're gonna make a video on it, don't fill it with misinformation. These changes were made with the vanilla survival game in mind and with respect to that they're actually good for the vanilla survival game. If there's one point of criticism that is legitimately fair for 1.9, its that Mojang didn't listen to PvP players, but at the same time I understand why they did not. PvP players are by the metrics a large group, but still a minority of Minecraft players. An update that only caters to them would likely not have improved the base vanilla experience which is what players typically want. Mojang... kinda doesn't care about stepping on the toes on an individual small group of players, and they've done it increasingly more since to a variety of people (mapmakers get it a lot, no matter how many new features we get for mapmaking, game performance continually decreases and bugs are fixed that break tons of existing systems, or bugs are introduced that dont get fixed for years but have fixes sitting on the MC bug report page from talented people who have seen the game's inner code.) The changes are good, they just weren't made with PvP players in mind, which the community threw a fit about. Also, as an archer myself, bows take usually around 30-50 pounds of strength to pull back and hold consistently, especially if it is a Recurve Bow (like the ones in minecraft, not Composite, aka with gears). From the point of realism, this mechanic makes complete sense. From the point of gameplay, it makes the most sense when compared to the Crossbow. Bows get a little weaker if you hold them too long, meaning you need to fire your ranged attack or cancel it. Crossbows can be scrolled over and fired. Its an attempt to bring the 2 weapons closer in line without needing to buff the Crossbow.

[@snxethan]

to be completely honest, I think you need to understand this combat snapshot, and thus the newly redacted combat ideas are aimed towards not only java, but for bedrock as well, obviously in terms of combat there should be some sort of skill involved, but this progress is meant to be something even someone on mobile could work with, rather than spend their live trying to figure out how to kill a creeper faster when they're spam clicking like they do in 1.9+

[@mcbyt]

Trust me; as someone that actually started as a competitive MCPE PvPer, none of the PvP used to be confusing. Now, I can hardly understand modern PvP on Java OR Bedrock.

[@crazy_wwww]

i actually like 1.9 combat, but mojang could add like a passive knockback modifier to some weapons like shovels and a stun ability to pickaxes, the meta would be very interesting

[@Damian-cilr2]

I think it should be controlled by gamerules so that servers could keep it as an extra gamemode

[@shruti6783]

Firstly all hated it but time by time many got adjusted and started loving it