Minecraft Education Edition’s Failures

[@gneissname]

Some updates and corrections. As of three days after I posted this, my submission to the feedback site was removed. It went from "pending approval" to just gone. No message or notification. MgCl2 is another magnesium salt and it does contain chlorine, but you still don't make it by combining Mg and NaCl "Lesson 4 All natural and synthetic materials are composed of chemicals, be they elements, molecules or compounds." Several people have pointed out that you can read this as the chemicals are made of elements, molecules, or compounds, not that the materials are made of them. I can see this but it is still incredibly poorly worded and when you are trying to educate people phrasing is very important to get the intended meaning across.

[@HA7DN]

Removed? That totally sounds like they care a lot, and want to improve on it. /s

[@authurstretchygreenthing8464]

Mojang's behavior nowadays is being so far up their ass that they refuse to hear us. This is also the case with the Java and Bedrock Editions. They just don't care. They don't care about listening to us, they don't care about fixing their website, they don't care about fixing ANYTHING, and they don't care about putting out a quality product, let alone a finished one. Stop wasting your time.

[@Tinkuwu]

Should probably talk to Phoenix SC, he sheds light on things that are incorrect in Minecraft, which gets a lot of the community riled up on Reddit, which Mojang eventually changes to calm them down.

[@darioferretti3758]

The collab i did't know i needed

[@gneissname]

@@Tinkuwu something interesting with the KZbin studio tools, I can see what channels my subs also watch the most. Not specific users but just people who watch you also watch this sort of thing. A lot of my channel also watches Phoenix SC.

[@Sengyizhe]

Alternate title "Geologist goes insane after he discovers Minecraft: Education Edition"

[@gneissname]

I had several moments where i just felt like I had to be making a mistake.

[@youmukonpaku3168]

to be fair, as someone who only did one year of geology in university (plus two of chemistry,) it drives me pretty nuts too.

[@fusionwing4208]

​@@youmukonpaku3168 basic chemistry knowledge here, My mind was all over the place. Anyone can just throw up a quick Google search and immediately see the errors xD

[@thebaseandtriflingcreature174]

​@@gneissnameyou could say you lost your... marble? :)

[@BRIAN_IVERSON_20]

@@thebaseandtriflingcreature174 i’m gonna spread you wide open

[@Thomahawk1234]

Small correction! Most non-geologists don't say anything when they see a rock.

[@agentzapdos4960]

It's a problem as old as the concept of expertise itself. Experts in a given subject will assume more competence and interest from regular people than is actually the case.

[@verde7595]

Maybe after a certain age. Adolescents absolutely pick up any cool rock, pile of dirt, or stick that they find and admire it.

[@gneissname]

lol, you got me.

[@youmukonpaku3168]

it's true! You have to have at least *some* earth sciences education to recognize leaverite. (as in "leave 'er right there", an uninteresting rock.)

[@Aphelia.]

Incorrect: I sometimes say "wow! a giant rock!" when I see a giant rock.

[@qpn6ph9q]

I hope Mojang pays attention to this. selling something to schools as an educational resource demands much higher standards than what they have produced.

[@MauricioLSB]

Nah its probably for public schools. They were already doomed when they were born

[@ThePlayerOfGames]

Pretty sure Microsoft have shifted their focus to monetising the Minecraft IP and will justify this by saying "Look we offer a Windows-only C++ plugin for Minecraft Bedrock, that's educational innit"

[@squiddler7731]

Unfortunately when it comes to educational content for public schools in general, I'm pretty sure this sort of lazy implementation is the norm rather than the exception. Mojang should be that exception though, and it would be nice to see that.

[@alex.g7317]

@@squiddler7731yeah, I mean I’ve never seen anyone in my school use any other tool other than Notepad app on windows.

[@DahliaInPurple]

I mean, I’d say that Minecraft Java and Bedrock are excellent educational products and easily could be marketed as such, building=geometry, most of basic redstone=logic/circuitry, parkor=coordination and timing, obviously soft skills like art research and collaboration. Education, good education anyway has very little to do with fact memorization, which is where education edition fails. It’s not that the facts are wrong, even if they are. It’s that they are meaningless and inconsequential in the game. (Partly by trying to be “scientifically accurate”)

[@clockwork_mind]

As a non-geologist, Red Sand being just quartz was the most disappointing to me. Like, the iron oxide is THE THING I know about red sand, that's kind of its defining feature.

[@gneissname]

Don't worry, i plan to do a sand episode and i have an extensive collection from around the world and show all the cool types. There are other options for red but i figured its the easy option to explain

[@clockwork_mind]

@@gneissname I'm actually very excited for the sand episode, and I'd love to see your sand collection. A sentence I never expected to write.

[@gneissname]

@@clockwork_mind it’s something I never thought I would admit publicly lol.

[@ashoka7273]

​@@gneissnameThis is the most hyped I've ever been for sand. I'm looking forward to it!

[@dmmalicoat]

Jesus Marie, no! They're minerals!

[@kentslocum]

Normally, I try not to be too pedantic about inaccuracies in video games. But when a video game is literally selling an "Education Edition" to schools, I think it's perfectly allowable to call them out for peddling inaccuracies to students.

[@cillianennis9921]

Yea I think it'd be fine if it was just errors in the education mode on the bedrock edition which is fun to mess with but when you realise that part of software is being sold as educational then it should be at least reported to some educational board that pays for it. C2k is my 1st thought they pay for it & all schools in Northern Ireland can use the software but the fact that they could basically just buy minecraft & a few mods & have a better version of this makes me think they are being scammed. Also I am surprised C2K pays for it they hate fun & games & even education all of these are possible reasons for a site being blocked online others include the reasonable ones, adult material, messaging board, social web, proxy avoidance & guess what non-traditional religion which only exists to stop you using divination sites to my knowledge & also to block the orange order website which was a whole thing a few years ago.

[@golemofiron7250]

@@cillianennis9921reasonably, would they buy Java edition and mods instead of just getting it straight from Microsoft

[@cillianennis9921]

@@golemofiron7250 Look if a school for some odd reason wants to use minecraft to teach they'd be better doing it themselves than paying for junk. C2K is a wierd group who do weird things so however Microsoft swindled them is beyond me.

[@metaforth]

​@@golemofiron7250Given they dint buy individual copies of the education edition id imagine it's much cheaper

[@ShiftyShampoo]

i find it amusing that minecraft chemistry mods are more though out than education edition

[@mr.cauliflower3536]

Right?

[@Full_Throttle_Axolotl]

Honestly, knowing the AAA industry I ain't surprised

[@Katiedid2040]

A mod more thought out than the official game? No way, that’s never happened before…

[@logon-oe6un]

"Destroy" feels more thought out than high school chemistry.

[@lbgstzockt8493]

Playing gregtech tought me more about chemistry than a decade of school

[@itryen7632]

Meanwhile Gregtech modpacks will have you doing petrochemistry, energy grid management, and even scientifically accurate uranium enrichment.

[@AceH.-jk5kn]

HBM's Nuclear Tech - Extended Edition taught me more about.. everything then school has

[@Voron_Aggrav]

Yeah, Mods have been better than this attempt to basically Scam schools out of money

[@tacticaltoaster5777]

​@AceH.-jk5kn HBM NTM is absolutely goated, and just gets even more in-depth with every update. I always end up coming back to check out the changes every few months when I'm not in a modded minecraft bender

[@AceH.-jk5kn]

@@tacticaltoaster5777 if you play 1.12.2 often, try also using NTM Extended

[@icarokaue7334]

Until it gets to the EOH stuff lol. Maybe in the future when we get ASI and it makes us gods or smth. Or it kills us all.

[@jjthejetplane11]

The saddest part of all of this is that it would have taken so little effort for a big company like Mojang to consult someone like you, and they didn't. So many big companies do this now

[@meowmeowcat99]

Now?

[@aiodensghost8645]

​@@meowmeowcat99the quiet part has been said out loud for awhile, now

[@elu9780]

Now? They've been doing it since forever. Like when they ignored the bad consequences of smoking and hid the results. Or when they didn't tell those who used radium to paint some stuff - forgot which one - that radium is fucking bad for you, so the women who worked there had their jaws literally rot off because they used their mouths to make the brushes have finer, thinner tips. It is not new at all. Companies are only interested in making as much profit as they can, and they don't give a shit about anything else unless they're forced to.

[@LibertyMonk]

That would cost some small amount of money to consult an expert. Much cheaper to just have some intern Google it (or ask ChatGPT) and make a crappy product so it exists and the C-Suite can check it off their wishlist.

[@younasdar5572]

@@elu9780 Yes now, the smoking thing was not the companies "forgetting" that smoking is not particularly healthy they intentionally made propaganda stating the opposite. The uranium thing was, to my knowledge, just not known to be dangerous and assumed by everyone not just the companies using it to be safe. This now is companies doing, or well not doing, something when information that tells them why the opposite is better not only exists but is stupidly easy to aquire. And yes it would be better for them, if they spent the money to correct education edition to be accurate more schools might use it making them more money.

[@imbaghead6785]

"Hire me, and I'll quit before you have to pay me" is such a raw statement. Hats off bro that was legendary.

[@alfredandersson875]

Paraphrase/misquote*

[@wiirambo7437]

The issue with "just change the number to be correct" applies to the element constructor too. The number of neutrons does not match the actual number of neutrons in naturally occuring/stable isotopes of the elements.

[@gavros9636]

I would mess with a mod that lets you craft any isotope and properly simulates their half lives. I would make hydrogen-200 and measure the blast radius.

[@rubbegameing5370]

​@@gavros9636Check out Create: Destroy

[@2tarynn]

this is a massive lapse in the ‘education’ of the education game

[@vylbird8014]

@@gavros9636 I'd call that '99.5% pure neutronium.'

[@akeem2983]

I guess it can be fixed by asigning neutron count as a parameter for element items, similarly to how the game stores enchantments and durability of weapons and tools. And each isotop may even display its own half-life (doesn't even need to actually do anything with it - it may just display it) - it can be done with something as simple as a lookup table. That way a person can make weird lithium with ten neutrons but by reading item's description they'll see that in real world its half-life is *very* brief

[@-off-]

3:37 I love that it looks like Minecraft thinks of "bucket" as its own element

[@orion9997]

Giving the benefit of the doubt, it's implying the bucket needs to be further broken down in the material reducer

[@DissonantSynth]

its*

[@plexyglass429]

This, is a bucket

[@supahvaporeon]

Honestly this is extremely on brand for Mojang.

[@FellowInterneter]

@@DissonantSynthnot needed bro

[@LordHonkInc]

Total tangent, but I do like that a machine labelled the "ShatterBox" has to have a crushing hazard warning. Like, I get that the warning is good, it's unambiguous, conspicuous, and standardized, but it's still pretty funny to me. Feels like putting a "warning: contents may be hot" sign on an industrial incinerator called the "Burninator®"

[@linuslundquist3501]

"...and complementary peanuts. I must warn you, some products may contain nuts."

[@gneissname]

Its funny, we had an old one that didn't have the exterior containment, the piece with the sample was just exposed. Once a student didn't latch the top well enough and the mill few out and across the room. There is a dent in the brick wall.

[@toekneemart5597]

Burninating the country side

[@NotPofkp]

@@gneissname that is TERRIFYING

[@mrlaz9011]

burninating the peasants

[@allmightyloaf7134]

the kids at a summer camp had to use education edition and it was so bad the management made the decision midway through the camp to stop using it and instead use normal minecraft. The worst part is that there's a mod that does the entire schtick of the element reducer better by having a particular block break down by percent chances. So each stone block will vary slightly in what it makes when it breaks down.

[@fleetingimmersion]

Alchemistry with Chemlib? First thing I thought about when I learned of the elements in Education Edition. I know Schools are probably reticent to install mods on hundreds of PCs, but at least there's no sub.

[@Malam_NightYoru]

ALCHEMISTRY MOD IS SO GREAT FR FR Chemical Decomposer is the goat from my Modded Skyblock world xD

[@Persun_McPersonson]

@@Malam_NightYoru Omg and it's called alchemistry? Whyy would they choose that name though

[@huntonius]

@@Persun_McPersonson because it sounds cool probably

[@magicball3201]

​@@Persun_McPersonsonprobably because it's got a basis in chemistry, and it's also got some fantasy alchemy parts, so mash them together for alchemistry

[@openBalop]

my school actually did minecraft edu. It had extremely limited use at the time, and the science teachers wouldn't even touch it. The only thing we ever used it for was social studies, and the only time I had actually felt like we were learning something was when we had to build a model of the U.S out of wool, which was actually pretty fun and helped me memorize where a bunch of states were. The other "lessons" were just my class playing survival minecraft to learn more about "early colonial life." That was probably the most fun I've ever had in school, but had extremely limited (if not zero) educational value.

[@flamingpaper7751]

I think the best use of Minecraft as an educational tool is purely as a computer science/programming course. Minecraft isn't a realistic game and it could be used to explain things like game design, or how to create and incorporate formulas, etc. Social Studies being made easier in Minecraft definitely sounds interesting but I think it would be weird to go over real world issues in Minecraft

[@Yuuni_Shiroza]

True words. "Uranium is just a rock that gets hot" And yes. it's oversimplifying it because it also include negative Debuff such as AOE Damage over time and Poison Aura.

[@WackoMcGoose]

In sufficient concentration, yeah. If the rock is thicc enough to get hot, it's thicc enough to inflict killaura. ...Now _Cobalt-60_ is the one that'll _really_ oof you up...

[@fusionwing4208]

I mean, if you had a 1x1 meter block of uranium next to you, that would probably emit a good bit of radiation, I'd dread what cobalt-60 would do...

[@WackoMcGoose]

@@fusionwing4208 ...That's a fair point. Reminds me of an SCP that takes place in Minecraft yet affects the player at the actual keyboard, and the only cure is for the actual player to "drink one cubic meter of milk" (which would be a lethal dose of lactose for _anybody,_ apparently)...

[@B1esky]

​@@WackoMcGoose homestuck...

[@dojelnotmyrealname4018]

I think a cubic meter of milk, or any liquid, would be enough fluid to drown in unless consumed over an order of days, if not months. @@WackoMcGoose

[@IronHexacyanoferrate]

As a biologist I take issue to sulfur and phosphorus not being mentioned in the blog about composition of living things. There is no life without sulfur and phosphorus.

[@insertnamehere9718]

Are these elements present in more than 1%? It’s possible they didn’t want to confuse people by talking about this but not having them obtainable in this way in-game

[@IronHexacyanoferrate]

@@insertnamehere9718 phosphorus is like 1.1%, sulfur more like 0.02/3% (still super important though)

[@insertnamehere9718]

@@IronHexacyanoferrate yeah, I guess they just didn’t want to make it too complex. I get the impression that this is largely aimed at late primary-mid secondary students, and primarily from a Chemistry angle. Other sciences would be super cool, though! (Maybe the players have to build (part of) a protein by decoding (part of) a gene? Or put Minecraft mobs into certain environments and watch them evolve?

[@Pix3K]

CHONPS!

[@someonerandom704]

@@insertnamehere9718the percentages don't do it justice. I learned a lot about ATP in freshman biology that I promptly forgot, but I know for a fact that those elements are important for everything about cells.

[@NedJeffery]

The absurdity of putting a teaspoon of salt on a block of magnesium was such a brutal take down of Microsoft's lazyness and stupidity.

[@TillyCorbin]

well idk maybe it could have done something, it's not like they could just look it up or something...

[@juannaym8488]

@@TillyCorbinor could've gotten some magnesium strips for like a buck and a half and mixed it with salt

[@tilde7220]

"I would've gone into more detail but this video would've taken hours" yeah and I would have absorbed every second of it

[@Kreiser_VII]

Minecraft is to me the epitome of unrealized potential. Even on the base game, it COULD be amazing, but the devs always seem to fall short for SOME reason, but the community is so good, that it brings out its true potential to life, like you just did :D

[@brilou9792]

I miss when Minecraft wasn't owned by Microsoft not that I hate everything that they have done. There are some improvements. But. The love is gone. They don't seem to gaf about the game anymore.

[@metachirality]

​@@brilou9792 I think when it comes to game design, post-Microsoft is better. However they're bound to the inertia of previous arbitrary and poorly thought out design decisions and have to work around them, so they can't fix fundamental game design problems.

[@sonicmeerkat]

i always seen education edition as sort of a joke, like aside gamifying command blocks to teach coding it's really unintuitive for every element to just be the periodic table entry and compounds being grey vials, along with some weirder stuff like adding latex balloons or water tnt, stuff which just isn't actually educational and would fit better in the base game without the school setting. but seeing the blatant lack of proofreading throughout everything be it wrong elemental compositions for the stones or grammar mistakes which every teacher spends their lives correcting is just insulting, schools are paying a membership fee for this, at minimum they should be providing full lessons. it's not even the case of teachers often not having a lot of time to a point many do the movie lesson. simply you're paying for a teaching tool, those tools should be fully provided instead of leaving you to faf with creative inventorys and bug testing to make sure your students can't break your map. also very nice rock glass, i'd love more chemistry segments in these videos.

[@gneissname]

Something I didn't mention in the video was that I'm guessing that most of the educators using the education edition probably aren't super familiar with vanilla minecraft. It makes these incomplete tools/lessons even worse.

[@Square1production]

I think the Education Edition is potentially the source of a lot of the problems the game has had in its development since. They probably took government funding to make it, and probably continue to receive such funding to do the bare minimum of maintenance. If there were some terms in the contract which granted that funding whose wording applied to the main game, even if unintentionally. that would explain the strange commitment to representing real world animals in a "responsible" way and the reluctance to integrate new blocks and systems into the old progression system as well as why their uses tend to be limited and have one big gimmick that they revolve around. And they can't discontinue the Education Edition even though they've practically deprecated it because they're still subject to that contract or an extension of it.

[@L4busaures]

MineChem and Terrifirmacraft actually have better implementation of elemental breakdown for items

[@swagnilla_ice]

Honestly, the Alchemistry mod for Java is better than the Education edition after this video.

[@svetoslav-505]

​@@swagnilla_iceа ще краще буде доповнення Create: disaster

[@rafaelcruzs2]

Well, now we need a biologist to review the biology lessons on Minecraft education edition. Maybe a mathematician too, and a physicist, and a chemist… someone with actual teaching experience on given subject, you know.

[@nchastan]

Time to contact CarlSagan42? He did try out Minecraft and is looking for a new biology job, that could be used in his resume!

[@CR1MSONACE]

Who wants to deal with the agent lessons?

[@kathyk3857]

I seem to remember cody from Cody's lab using minecraft to explain adding silver to gold to purify it with acid :)

[@randomguyontheinternet5030]

I mean ideally mojang/microsoft should've done that themselves. It's on them to get the information right, it should be on them to hire professors, scientists, hell even just one chemist could look at this and find glaring faults in it. When you're going to portray items out of a hundred, you'd think they'd actually look up the percent of each element that was actually in that item.

[@user-nh2rl7ov9d]

they already screwed up with the new "wolf breeds" by putting in two that aren't even wolves and one that isn't even a canine.

[@TheUnlocked]

The impression I get from those examples is that they're just outsourcing the articles to some contractor (probably in a country where labor is cheap) and then publishing them with minimal if any review.

[@gneissname]

I would love to know the actual review process, especially for other languages. If I was a troll I would have tried to submit obviously wrong lessons to see what would pass.

[@agentzapdos4960]

@@gneissname I'm sure you can find entire Discord servers full of people willing to shovel absolute crap at Mojang to see what sticks.

[@xemiii]

If that were the case that'd be emblematic of corporations acting like they care about the wellbeing of people and the world only to contribute to unethical working conditions and the ongoing environmental collapse. Could only really say so if it's proven.

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

​@@xemiiiMhmm, I'm sure big corporations, governments, and celebrities never preach to the general public about how much they care for human rights, ethics, and the environment, while being the worst offenders in all 3 fields... Could never happen.

[@kjj26k]

​@@xemiii This was good sarcasm until that last sentence. Are you really asserting that companies do not talk safety and then act harm?

[@CharaViolet]

the minecraft feedback website is horrible, not surprised your post got removed... anyway, personally I think I'd love to see, like, an entire series or mini-series on how you'd fix education edition, or just pointing out flaws and stuff. loved the vid 👍

[@the_ecips9692]

Every trashy sci-fi movie gets a military/science consultant at one point, but the Education Edition of the most popular game worldwide doesn't get an expert's QA. What a time to be alive.

[@Oberonrising35A]

7:30 i cannot express enough how much it startled me seeing the granite block break apart

[@Jasi-Mori]

Gneiss casually drop his lore that used to work with nuclear reactor when he was in the Navy and he has a lab as home wth

[@gabrielarrhenius6252]

or that was the uni

[@gneissname]

Yes, at work.

[@jocaleb0236]

⁠@@gabrielarrhenius6252doubt he owns a 10k X-ray spectroscopy machine in his house so yeah likely a university lab

[@sirBumpyCase]

"back when I was an astronaut for NASA"

[@Aphelia.]

Dad lore be like

[@Exorbulla]

The thing i hate the most about education edition is how it puts completely wrong information into the game and then just says that this is how it works in minecraft and not in real life, so they can just be let off the hook. This logic would be completely fine if these features were in the java and bedrock editions of the game, but they are actually only in the education edition of the game, which is specifically advertised as a learning tool, and i gotta say, if you are learning the wrong information, it probably isnt such a good tool.

[@KingPotatoMatt]

Minecraft education is for learning on how to code

[@KingPotatoMatt]

Good tool for coding in Minecraft

[@tapgames3465]

Education Edition is actually on bedrock

[@americankid7782]

@@KingPotatoMattthen why does it lean into elements and chemistry almost exclusively? It may have resources for learning programming, but almost everything that is unique to Education Edition is Chemistry based.

[@QwertyuiopThePie]

They're not exclusive, you can get them on Bedrock with a toggle. People mostly use education edition for the codebuilder integration and the agent, which are focused on learning how to code.

[@eyeleecat]

got to experience these awful lessons firsthand lol. in middle school, this was one of the few games that werent banned on our laptops. i remember being one of the few kids who realized this, and being a nolife mc player, i started building on it whenever i didnt have any schoolwork to do. a couple months later the teachers started trying to use it, and it was a nightmare- the lessons are actual garbage, have no direction, and it just kind of babbles incorrect information at you for one paragraph. it would take like 5 minutes for the teacher to read out the lesson, 10 to complete, and then 20 minutes left where we all just kind of sat there. actually awful 0/10

[@DaMedicWhoSezNi]

This follows a pattern of Minecraft updates that I’ve seen for years of “Oh someone made a mod let’s make that but worse” I learned a lot about alloys and stone types from many mods like thermal expansion, mekanism or Greg tech but especially TerraFirmaCraft which added too many stone types to count and realistic ways of making stone tools by knapping and casting or forging metal parts. There are also plenty of interesting chemistry mods out there that are integrated into the progression of mod packs so you have to learn to progress rather than oh I can make this random chemical with no practical purpose. If you ever need video ideas there are so many in mods

[@DaMedicWhoSezNi]

Also in terrafirmacraft the ores you find are in huge veins that only spawn in certain kind of rock I would love to hear how accurate they are from a geologist

[@Pyxis10]

I'd love to see if Vintage Story continued that trend, since it's based on Tereafirmacraft but is now it's own game.

[@supahvaporeon]

Netherrack being a "stone" is such a massive retcon. Originally it used to be literal semi-living flesh, with soulsand being the souls of the sloughed off flesh. Nether Wastes are even still called Hell in the code long after 1.16 changed it.

[@SamJNE122]

For further context, netherrack was originally called bloodstone, and its old texture was just reddened cobblestone, with red streaks added on top.

[@derevianne1108]

wait what? where did you get this information?

[@sandwichqueen]

Netherrack also makes a squishy sound, as if you are walking on flesh. Warped biomes and crimson both are fungus that gets it's nutrients from the dead stuff below it. It's flesh and always will be.

[@verde7595]

@@derevianne1108 from the game itself? It was called bloodstone, made a flesh sound, and it's still called Hell internally to this day. I'm not sure what you're asking for here because everything in this thread is true

[@derevianne1108]

@@verde7595 bloodstone doesn't imply it being "semi-living flesh" just as limestone doesn't imply that it tastes like lime

[@bloopers_soupers7692]

He just dropped the most insane detail about his life like it was nothing

[@Korra228]

What exactly do you refer to here?

[@georgeofhamilton]

@@Korra228 That he was in the navy as a nuclear technician and now works at a university.

[@enthusigasmofficial5892]

@@georgeofhamiltonthere are plenty of us who have worked on nuclear reactors in the navy. Still a cool detail tho.

[@prasadbhalerao8556]

@@enthusigasmofficial5892 no they are not !!!

[@StormForthcoming]

⁠@@enthusigasmofficial5892yeah how tf does one go through life without working on nuclear reactors in the navy? I thought that was something everyone did…

[@Kinyek]

I want to mention the existence of the "agent" in education edition, used to teach basics of coding. If you've played with the computer/turtles mod, its very similar. An entity you can program to do actions, such as digging out a section of the world or building a wall. The problem, nothing can stop it. Absolutely nothing. If you tell it to destroy bedrock, it'll destroy it and give it to you. You order it to erase someones house? It will and there is not a single thing anyone can do to stop it. They just have to sit there and watch it destroy everything. It can't be harmed or destroyed, it will keep going until its owner tells it to stop, otherwise it will continue well past the heat death of the universe. And the agents are enabled by default so that anyone can spawn them in at any time to do whatever they want with them, so they often wrecked havoc on the little minecraft servers that'd sprout up during our schools free periods.

[@gneissname]

I saw them but didn't play with them. Reminds me of the copper golem.

[@ink7907]

How dare you ​@@gneissname, JUSTICE FOR COPPER GOLEM!!!

[@AbusedAlarmClock]

As an Environmental Scientist, thank you for speaking our earth science truth. It’s very frustrating that as we struggle getting kids educated about earth science, we get these half baked lessons from Mojang. But considering the state of educational software from my experience in high school and college it’s not out of par from the reality of how poorly the programs run and the quality of their service. Hopefully with the increased awareness in climate change by younger generations there will be a natural increase in Earth Scientists, as we need all the geologists, environmental scientists and other earth science professions as we can get. But stuff like Minecraft Education Edition doesn’t help us push more people into our field when we have blatantly incorrect information stated as facts to students. Thank you for taking the time to educate others about the value of earth science. It’s very much appreciated!

[@DanDan-h7v]

5:30 I love how he tells us 20 min at 1055 degrees as if this is a do it yourself video for the average Joe.

[@MoguinYT]

In my second year of undergrad as a physics major, I used to conduct workshops for middle schoolers using Minecraft Education. There were so many mistakes. Also, as you mentioned, many of the classes provided have titles suggesting they would focus on the science mentioned, but instead, they often devolve into random programming tasks without addressing the science in the title.

[@randomguyontheinternet5030]

even just watching the video made me annoyed that it's so unhelpful. Why do school boards pay for this shit? They spend so much money on making our schools "better"/more technologically advanced and then pay teachers like shit, give us questionnaires with the vaguest questions ever, and claim that they're doing a great job. It's a shame on both mojang, and also the school boards and school districts actually paying for this crap.

[@Plasmafox]

written by chatbots and roughly edited

[@fablor9900]

It is really sad, that there are modern mods, that gamify it down really hard, that manage to provide more realistic compositions for nearly every material in the base game.

[@art-eroflore]

As an ecologist, I now really want to look through what they have on conservation topics and see how it is. But I also really liked the point you made about de-prioritization of Earth Sciences. Recently I was talking to a botanist about plants and she pointed out that many animal-oriented conservationists don't even have a basic understanding of common plants in the ecosystems they're studying. This has also made me think about how we aren't taught that much about things like mineral and soil composition in general ecology except where it most directly pertains to organics (eg when talking about Earthworms). really interesting stuff. great video.

[@gneissname]

If you do, I would love to hear your thoughts. My email is in the channel info or you could DM me on discord. Here is fine too actually. I do some paleobotany work in Montana and there term called plant blindness that I love. Basically we tent to just ignore the non-animal part of ecosystems even though the animal part is a very small part of the total.

[@sillyface6950]

This reminds me of a planting trees issue. If I remember correctly it was where habitat that had been lost due to humans was being given back to nature but instead of making grasslands or marsh areas or whatever should of been there, people were planting trees and things instead that was creating just a different ecological area than what its meant to be and not actually helping the biodiversity that existed/exists. (And now this has reminded me of people freeing freshwater animals into saltwater or captive bred pets into the wild. Humanity needs to think before it does things, even when trying to "help"😅)

[@art-eroflore]

@@sillyface6950 Yes, this is a significant problem in ecology right now, especially in places like Africa where ignorant people believe that they should plant trees on the Savannah to create forests. The Savannah is its own ecosystem, separate to prairie or forest (it is like a grassland with sparse tree cover); it has also been an issue where I live in Illinois. Settlers planted nonnative pines in our Dunesland and when ecologists tried to cut them down, the locals protested because they were used to the trees being there. However, the Dunes here are a rare Black Oak Savannah biome that has rare native grasses that need light! It's a complicated issue and it requires a lot of education and public outreach to teach people these things. (The dunes im sure are another thing that we could use more geological knowledge on; the area I volunteer by the lakeshore has sandy soil and im sure there's a variety in the soil types there)

[@snakewithapen5489]

​@sillyface6950 Wildfires. Smokey bear is probably responsible for like half of what is happening in California forests. Dry scrubland environments *need* naturally occuring fire cycles and humans have unintentionally made things worse by trying to 'save' the forests by preventing that lol. We see it here in Florida too, pine uplands are a very rare yet extraordinarily diverse ecosystem. Thankfully our park service is pretty good about regularly scheduled and safe controlled burns, and it helps that we have a consistent heavy rainy season.

[@InkcapWitch]

As a fellow ecologist who specialises in fungi (among other things), I can tell you fungal blindness is even worse than plant blindness, haha. Even in the literal sense, people think there are no mushrooms anywhere near them. There always are...

[@turbo_marc]

My school had Minecraft Education in the very limited Google Play Store on our Chromebooks, despite quite literally never using it for any kind of lesson. Me and my friends didn't even care about the new blocks or the element stuff, we just used it as if it were regular Minecraft.

[@digiholic]

Man, this is some absolutely phenomenal visual demonstrations. Absolutely bang-up graphs and data visualizations. Particularly that bit where you disassembled a block of granite at 7:34

[@blaxout1213]

I dont know if anyone's said it before, but I would love for you to take a peek at the mineral layers of Dwarf Fortress. They try to realistically model rock layers down into mythical depths. Love these videos by the way

[@radi_7]

Oh, a DF video would be amazing.

[@bingusbongus9807]

i know nothing about dwarf fortress but this seems coolio

[@eddiedoesstuff872]

Wait, there’s no “creative” mode in DF, so on top of a geology lesson we also get a playthrough lol

[@blaxout1213]

@@eddiedoesstuff872 DFhack is functionally creative mode. You can reveal the whole map and just scroll through it, probably the easiest way to peek

[@HorseDe-luxe]

@@eddiedoesstuff872 Well there's technically the DFHack mod and its associated commands. At the very least, that could reveal the entire map, letting one see the clusters of the different stone types and how they change by z-level/layer. Honestly, for those unfamiliar with DF, looking at each level of the world that way, you realize it's not totally realistic, you have the main materials comprising each z-level of stone and then just these big capsule-shaped blobs of other related stone types rotated randomly and arranged in a gridlike pattern throughout it, with some veins of ores and clusters of gems running through. It's a noticeable pattern. And these shapes are very 2D, they're just spread across their single z-level, with no verticality to them. In fact, there's even a DFHack command called 3DVeins one can run, to change the veins of stone, ores, and gems, etc on your map to be spread out vertically across the adjacent z-levels instead of just the single layers, as it is in vanilla. But, with the variety that exists in DF and the rules world generation is made to follow, it's still much, much closer to reality than minecraft is or could be.

[@quinnobi42]

The whole crushing up a rock and then melting it into a glass for X-ray spectroscopy bit was totally sick. I didn't even know that you could melt a rock into a clear glass.

[@edenengland1883]

you... didnt know you could melt rock into glass where did you think glass comes from?

[@DesignThinkerer]

@@edenengland1883 Why do you feel the need to be snarky towards someone who is in awe of learning something new?

[@quinnobi42]

@@edenengland1883 I knew sand could be melted into glass, but I didn't know it was something that could be done with any rock.

[@kjj26k]

​@@quinnobi42 Bust up any rock good enough and I guess it just becomes a unique sand that can be smelted into a unique glass.

[@_Rerr_]

​@@quinnobi42 sand is just broken down rock which makes glass

[@DorkOrc]

“Whilst” is actually used more commonly in England along with “while” (they have distinct meanings), whereas in America generally only “while” is used for both meanings.

[@LilacMonarch]

What does whilst mean in england then? I never even thought about the different meanings of while

[@lemagicbaguette1917]

@@LilacMonarch they are almost identical. Both can be interchanged when used a conjunction or adverb, but only "while" can be used as a noun, i.e. "she spoke for quite a while".

[@propoppop9866]

Whilst is still pretty rare in England

[@DorkOrc]

@@propoppop9866 I wouldn’t say it’s rare. I see it used all the time.

[@MH_Binky]

There's definitely differences in usage between British dialects. Some places it's rare, some places it's pretty common. I think the most common way I use/hear it, is in the form of "whilst you're doing that..."/"whilst you're at it..." when asking for something. Some people say it like this, some people use "while", and some people switch to whatever they're feeling at the time.

[@encryptedmaze]

"hire me, and I'll quit before you have to pay me" LMFAO

[@DanteButtrey]

Just a thought but I kind of get the feeling that the lessons (from the past year or so) could have been generated by ai, and whoever runs the blog just couldn't be bothered to fact-check before posting. That would explain why it claims elements are made up of chemicals and the use of "be they" and "whereas" at 11:44; weird semantic mistakes and out-of-place verbosity are some ai red flags.

[@belqinorleaf2655]

I'm blown away. Finally, someone addresses the MC Edu's need for more accuracy and heaps of mild misinformation! Your insights were incredibly eye-opening for people not capable of accessing it, and having to trust is a good teaching aid. I can't thank you enough for shedding light on these issues. As a note, I see this oddly informal use of "formal words" in autogenerated text aids (the kind preceding AI, don't blame GPT for everything). It's like a bot grammar checker commonly used in email. They have a lot of flaws, and if you are used to what they put out, you tend to get used to the oddness and stop seeing it when you skim to check if you even do. Verry echo chambery. I hope your video will spark some much-needed discussions. Keep up the fantastic work, and hello from the Army!

[@gneissname]

Agree, if some of these post were not several years old, I would have said they were all written with AI.

[@Hobojo153]

​@gneissname That some of these basic mistakes are something even Microsoft's own Copilot is above, is embarrassing. (Spesifically thinking of the wiki skim element composition.)

[@Yipper64]

@@gneissname strangely I would think AI would actually get that right, or at least worded more coherently. It may occasionally hallucinate, but that's been priority 1 to fix since day 1. And coherent text is literally what its best at.

[@twokit]

I almost never touch vanilla nowadays but this makes me wonder about the accuracy of GregTech materials and especially TerraFirmaCraft stone types

[@blockygamez9389]

there's probably inaccuracies in both due to them being gamified but they're definitely a lot closer to real life than edu edition which is sad because they aren't designed to be teaching tools

[@stdprocedure]

It would be cool if caves could only form in Limestone on TFC

[@Pro_Triforcer]

Greg

[@twokit]

@@Pro_Triforcer Greg 👍

[@netzaltali]

Depending on the pack, Gregtech Ores and Ore processing ranges from acceptable but simplified to painfully realistic depending on how evil the developer was feeling that particular morning. But its said by the mod developers that most gregtech alloys and materials are not realistic, especially past HV just from experience.

[@zoecass]

'whilst' is a somewhat common word in british english (at least in south-eastern england, i'm not sure about the rest of the country), and a lot of minecraft media, especially spoken media, is in british english, so i'd assume that's why the word 'whilst' was used

[@gneissname]

I was going to toss a joke in there asking if they were addressing the royals

[@Nichrysalis]

I was thinking the same thing. I'm a writer with a lot of UK and dutch friends and they all talk and write like that.

[@rheiagreenland4714]

This may just be me, but as an American both the "be they" and "whilst" seem perfectly fine to me, sure maybe a little formal. Maybe it's just that i listen to a lot of informative stuff on KZbin and much of that is British. Weird on the whilst though - they put a period before it instead of linking the clauses with a comma. This sounds strange because "Whilst living things are largely carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, and hydrogen." is not a good sentence because it only consists of a dependent clause. That and the error conflating chemicals and elements, it's pretty clear that QA was not very involved in the process of the making of this blog

[@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes]

@@rheiagreenland4714Also American and the only thing wrong with “be they” and “whilst” was the bizarre way he said them when reading them aloud as if they are alien runes

[@ncpolley]

​@@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes He actually replied to a comment that used that same construction (be it) without remarking on it. To be clear, this isn't some ... Let's not blow this out of proportion. It's just a mistake. :)

[@microwave221]

That granite melting rock glass detour was awesome. I never would have expected it to be that clear, or cool without shattering, or change that much after the x-rays

[@nicazer]

I work in a spectroscopy group in a Chemistry lab and seeing all the steps in your examination of granite was so beautiful.

[@TheNumberOfTheBeast666]

The stuff you said about the deprioritization of earth science really got to me. I'm in environmental engineering, and it's so frustrating to encounter people who are educated in stem fields, yet who know next to nothing about geology or chemistry in the planetary context. Like, Earth science is a synthesis field that builds on or at least draws from every facet of the natural sciences, and yet it's left by the wayside by so many educators. Though I didn't pursue the field, little is cooler than picking up a rock and being able to guess at it's composition, where it came from, what conditions it formed under; looking at a face of strata and being able to see what order they were formed. It's incredibly powerful and more than that moving, it grounds you in the world in the way I've found no other field can. I just wish it was taught more.

[@Starfloofle]

I've observed that it feels like general material science advancements roadblock a LOT of progress we need to make as a species, it's discouraging but slightly vindicating to hear it from a professional that yeah, the roots of the science we *should* be prioritizing more *are* sorely neglected. How did this even come to happen anyway?

[@TheNumberOfTheBeast666]

@@Starfloofle I'm far from being a professional, and I don't think it's necessarily the "roots" of science being neglected. I just think what is perhaps more directly relevant to a person's experience is left by the wayside for more pure studies like physics or chemistry, simply because those aren't synthesis topics like earth science is. I understand people need a foundation for these things, but well, we don't exactly live in a pure world; we live in a synthesis world, and I just worry about the consequences of disconnecting people from that.

[@CR1MSONACE]

Picking up a cool rock is cooler than picking up a rock and guessing everything about it.

[@Briskeeen]

Doesn't help that stuff like The Big Bang theory actively makes fun of geologists, calling their research and fields "useless".

[@TheNumberOfTheBeast666]

@@Briskeeen It is because of geologists that we know how old the earth is, and it frustrates me that people ridicule such a science.

[@omegahaxors9-11]

12:45 when a source is so unreliable that you start second-guessing basic facts if they bring them up

[@AlphaDestroyer-pw8on]

As a chem student, the "reacting Mg and NaCl" at 13:51 really got to me. It's weird that the substance is called "magnesium salts." Like you said the name may be inferred to be magnesium sulfate (MgSO4, Epson salt) but it's so ambiguous. Based on the production method it could be magnesium chloride (MgCl2) but just calling it "salts" gives absolutely no information on what it actually is. Is it the sulfate? Chloride? A combination thereof? Heck it could be completely different like a fluoride or literally any anion if we're looking at just the name. Also for those curious mixing magnesium metal and sodium chloride IRL theoretically yields no reaction, at least without resorting to forcing and specialized conditions. Even if the NaCl was in solution and even if the magnesium didn't react with the water first, none of the remaining substituents can react. For example, the reaction can be written as follows: Mg (s) + 2 Na+ (aq) -> Mg2+ (aq) + 2 Na(s) E = -0.354 V assuming I didn't screw up the calculation The negative value of the potential (E) means it's just not favorable to react. I mean some can react because it's _technically_ an equilibrium but it's so not forward favored there's hardly a reaction (for those curious the equilibrium constant is something like 10^-12 if I didn't screw up either calculation). If I did make a mistake, please let me know. Anyways, I appreciate seeing real science being done! Thank you Gneiss Name!

[@peanutsveryepicchannel8699]

No more mister gneiss guy, said the geologist.

[@konvaliastreams]

I cried and/or slept through every chemistry lesson throughout my entire education. But I couldn't peel my eyes off this video. You are a great teacher and I could tell how passionate about geology you are. This was fascinating!!

[@timeslongpast]

12:58 this paragraph seems perfectly grammatically sound to me, might just be a difference between UK English and American English. "be they" and "whilst" are both somewhat common and I have used these phrases before, multiple times.

[@adora_was_taken]

the main issue there is the period creating a sentence fragment and the general awkward feeling. other than that it's perfectly sound grammatically.

[@KidPrarchord95]

Yeah, I also have no issue with it

[@pixerhp]

As an American, "whilst you're doing that I'm gonna go do this" to me feels like a fairly regular thing that could be said. "whilst" (regardless of if it's used properly) doesn't feel like a weird, old or inherently formal word but instead just like a regular part of vocabulary.

[@ilimes]

imagine having a dad _this_ cool wtf your kids must be so proud

[@greebo4446]

This video rocks so hard. From the very beginning with the casual drop that you operated nuclear reactors in the Navy to the showing off cool lab equipment just to make a point, this video had me gripped all the way through. Not to mention the jaw-dropping -block- *display* entity wizardry, which is consistently amazing and far above anything else I've seen it used for. Your clear strong passion for education makes your confidence shine and made this video particularly enjoyable. Regardless of the outcome of this mission, I hope you know that your content is genuinely impressive and inspires me to learn.

[@landman_0218]

heh, rocks

[@antipastamony]

I agree but feel the need to clear up a potential misconception: the phrase you were looking for is probably display entity, that new type of entity added in a recent update which this channel has been using extensively to create staggering levels of polish in its content. the term "block entity" refers to the extra data tied to certain functional blocks which need to track more information than can be realistically handled using blockstates. Blocks which store items like barrels and jukeboxes, blocks which store entity data like spawners and beehives, and certain blocks whose mechanics require non-trivial storage of state like beacons and end gateways are each tied to a block entity when placed in the world. You may notice that blocks in this category typically cannot be moved by pistons and that technical players often advise against using them in large quantities when it can be avoided. If I had to guess, you probably already know most of this and accidentally used the term without thinking because it was on the tongue. I put this lengthier explanation here for anyone curious about the difference who happens across this thread.

[@greebo4446]

@@antipastamony You guessed right 😅 Thanks for the correction and refresher!

[@antipastamony]

@@greebo4446 at your service.

[@jakube1735]

TIL eating gravel will fix my heartburn

[@Jesus-qv5sw]

20:53 jajajjajajajajjaja, im laughing because even with that aspect mojang is very lackluster and have a mess with all their "design rules" at the point that they are constantly contradicting them and getting the design limited at the same time. For example, they do not add big predators (or basically any mammal megafauna, or megafauna in general, no, wait, basically any fauna) because they say that "adding predators may encourage kids to attack them IRL because they may also do it in the game" or "because they may get hurt by that animals IRL if they think that they are like in the game", but they broke that rule to add polar bear (the most carnivourous bear and the only that actually attack humans, being a risk in places like Manitoba) just because jens's wife likes polar bears and their son has the name bjorn (bear in swedish). I mean, they do not add grizzlies or black bears because the kid danger, but they add a bear that is way bigger and dangerous. If i can remember there was a time that they said that do not add elephants or any animal because they are endangered (they added pandas because its populations increased), but at same time they added axolots (which in my country are just liek 1200 wild phenotype axolotls) just because they are cute. For me as a biologist student the most frustrating and worst part is that what mojang is doing is actually the opposite that must be made. That is, they must add more wildlife in order to allow kids to know about it and appreciate, and knowing that not all children have access to wild spaces, minecraft can be a great first approach to that kids (still being a fantasy game ofc). Another problem i have with the desing of mobs is thay they have a rule to just add one mob species per family, that means, that if they added horses and donkeys it is unlikely that they will add zebras, or if they added wolves they prefer to reeskin the wolves to simulate african wild dogs and stripped hyenas (the former is not of the species canis lupus, and the later is not even a canide, but a feliform) which messes up the accuracy of the game (a fantasy game ofc) but overall shows how mojang does not make an effort ti give community a high-quality game and give us the bare minimum.

[@jerhom2787]

1:28 pulling out some real uranium ore on a Minecraft video is not on my 2024 bingo but it is appreciated

[@juannaym8488]

you can buy uranium ore perfectly legally and it's completely safe (unless you ingest it). I don't think you can do much with it though

[@jerhom2787]

@@juannaym8488 I am aware of that too, but something about it being in a mc yt video goes inexplicably hard

[@Dolamieu]

The state of Educational software is so bad you wouldn’t even know as a adult. Just stuff that punishes you for trying but not knowing or knowing but thinking differently then the sociopath programmer that made the lesson. You get reward for cheating and then not paying attention bc of how emotionally taxing trying to do the work legit. Imagine doing a 20 questions assignment at school and the teacher comes over and slapes on a new page with 5 more questions every time you get ONE QUESTION WRONG. (And also the pool of questions has 40 questions which is how you cheat)

[@Brenilla]

Yep. The absolute torurture especially with wrong answers being typos (for me at least) 99% of the time. At some point i just did not do it, i took that tank to my grade because it was not worth the agrivation and time. I dispise you Mathia ... luckly that time is in the past.

[@eelmail2077]

When you release the unpublished video can you please also link it in the comments/description of this video for those who don’t use discord?

[@leodekalb2380]

+

[@Babib3l3l]

I find it amazing how you get me interested in rocks, you have a talent to expain very well, to the point where someone who knows barely anything about geology (like uhhhg… definitely not me) understands it all and learns stuff from a Minecraft video:) keep up the amazing videos dude!

[@epockismet76]

There is a lot of manefesting in IT, and the management that uses them. The cool factor often wins out above actual usefulness and accuracy. I have an IT degree, it happened within the colleges and businesses close to them. I spent about 15 years in my college town, I got to learn a lot. Tight schedules, constant changes, and not enough money to consult experts, so all in house HR and IT efforts.

[@ashquarky]

We use Education Edition at work, and you really do have to make your own materials. The tools it provides for this are great, and a lot of the world downloads (+ third-party lessons) can be retooled easily to work, but the stuff you get directly from Mojang is pretty horrendous. "The map breaks in multiplayer" is ABSURDLY common. It helps a bit to stick to more "trendy" topics like space and programming, which we do, and to keep any discussion of the elements at a basic "what's protons, what's compounds, make water, wow!" kinda level. Honestly they should keep that, keep the fun fantasy items like ice bombs (it's super engaging for the students), and just axe the rest, because there's so many weird limits if you really try to take the chem side seriously. The LAN play with the four emoji should be a standard feature though.

[@gneissname]

I would definitely use it if I was teaching elementary school. It seems like they made the tools and some not that well and then the rest is up to you.

[@thedra9ongod]

love how gneiss just casually does a full rock analysis just to make a point for a minecraft video

[@Chulld0zer]

It's kind of sad how underdeveloped the chemistry in Education Edition is. By comparison, it would be really interesting to see your view on the geology in a mod like TerraFirmaCraft, or the chemical composition of ores in GregTech, since they each have a focus on adding realism in different ways.

[@theventuracountyrailfan]

My school has a subscription. They never told us, but we found out quick that we could just use it for free Minecraft at school, when all other games were blocked.

[@MaosTL]

Please make more real life geology/mineralogy videos. Never knew I’d be so interested in rocks

[@Luna-wg6vt]

Geologist is angry at incorrect rocks And i love it

[@gramfero]

people being mad about their areas of expertise is fun to watch

[@perryplayzzz]

Rock scientist annoyed at wrong rocks in video game = fun video

[@yochaiwyss3843]

Well Minecraft is all about Rocks, so it's a big L on their part

[@DudeWhoSaysDeez]

Its wild that schools pay for this when, at any point, minecraft can just say "oh its just a game, its not like real life" They need to pick a lane: make it realistic or don't call it educational

[@LuaanTi]

I mean, the same thing is true of actual educational material in schools. A lot of people leave school without even a very shallow understanding of the world around us... and without having any idea how much deeper it actually gets when you drill down. I wouldn't be surprised if most USAmericans didn't even undestand the basics of Newtonian gravity. I've met people who "knew" about general relativity... but thought that it only applies in extremes and that only Newtonian gravity will give you the right answer for non-extremes (rather than, you know, us using Newtonian gravity because it's simpler to use, even if it's less accurate - as long as you don't require that extra accuracy). What you should really learn at school is that our view of the world is distorted through models, with different models having different pros and cons. That's the hardest part to get across in a game, because a game of course _is_ a model - not a real world with deep underlying complexities that we're trying to describe with a set of imperfect models, each useful in different cases. There are always some unintended consequences and emergent behaviours, but they tend to be frowned upon and ignored in "educational" games (rather than being a huge addition to the core educational experience). And of course, they're just educational _tools_ . It's still something that should be used by a teacher, not just thrown at kids to give them something to do. Having a better base would be much better overall (there's many mods in Minecraft Java that would do a better job, and can be tweaked by the teacher), but you always pick and choose. The main problem I have with Educational edition is that they could have done a lot better job with the basics for no real extra cost (such as using reasonable rock composition; we're literally talking about a few minutes of Wikipedia "research" here!) and that it gives very few options for the teachers to have meaningful control over what's being taught - you get what you get, and you can't really show anything else you'd want. When you look at the craziness modded Minecraft is capable of, it's really a missed opportunity. Why not have the option to configure the composition of items and compounds? Add your own machines with recipes or simple code? Even a very simple basic system for extensibility could open up so many possibilities... and imagine properly supporting the sharing of all those things. But I guess that would interfere with some rules somewhere... or monetization. Yay :D

[@mint530]

​@@LuaanTiat my American highschool, taking physics classes are Entirely Optional

[@LuaanTi]

@@mint530 I think that was one of the big bad decisions that already has massive repercussions and will only get worse (as well as making the difference between the "rich" and the "poor" ever bigger; public education is one of the great equalizers). Worse, the more you are exposed this as a normal state of affairs, the more it _sounds_ like a good idea - and of course, it's not exactly hard to convince most school children that less school is better :D

[@xemiii]

I've always had a passion for biology, and most of my knowledge about it is from online resources I've found in my free time and my college courses. There was a tiny bit of it there, but still it's disappointing to go to school wanting to learn about a field of interest and seeing that the subject is neglected. This is not to mention that I have barely any grasp on history and had very few history classes; even fewer that weren't about America's founding or that just briefly mentioned a few big empires throughout history. As someone who has talked to people that literally don't think the world is round and question gravity I realize how much of that could come from simply never being taught about these things in a meaningful way.

[@portobeIIa]

@@mint530 what other classes from the basic curriculum are entiry optional in america, if you dont mind me asking? im already aware of sedex, which is something i learned as part of a biologiy class, since it IS biology. idk it's just very haunting to hear that and then seeing those videos such as the one veritassium made in which people in actual universities, so like, the people seeking HIGHER education, didnt know the difference between a planet and a star. when you come from a country like mine where all subjects are set in stone k-12 (which is sadly chaging too) you think that these people are the exception but when you get told something as crucial to understanding the world around you such as physics is completely optional to consider you an educated adult things get very foreboding

[@Dabeaux]

Hope this gains traction at Mojang. This channel is a great example of someone using mine craft as the tool it can be for Education.

[@Ceelker]

When a video about issues of a Minecraft version teaches me more than 15 years of various different schools couldn't teach.

[@vinnybonboot]

I clicked on this video thinking it was going to be a goofy nitpicky video, but these inaccuracies are too big a problem. As someone who used to research and purchase curriculum for a school, this is absolutely infuriating. If I purchased a curriculum, especially from a reputable company like Microsoft, I would have to assume it's accurate since I'm not the expert in the field of study that I'm buying for. My job isn't to analyze the accuracy of the curriculum, but to look at it's lesson structures and layouts to make sure it's appropriate for our institutional needs. It is assumed that curriculum writers are putting out accurate information. I know some might say, "well it's just a game." But Minecraft Education Edition is clearly marketed and intended to be used as a school curriculum. And prior to watching this video, I could easily see myself purchasing this as a supplemental curriculum for the kids ("supplemental" meaning it's not meant to be the primary source of lesson planning). While the cost is relatively cheap (approximately $125/year with a Microsoft 365 account; $300/year if it does not), it's enough of an expense for a small institution that likely doesn't have a large budget. SO I would want to be damn sure I'm purchasing accurate curriculum.

[@Minty1337]

holy crap your x-ray spectroscopy and rock melting setup is genuinely futuristic, I've never seen such a fancy x-ray spectrometer or furnace in my life

[@Sir_Newkirk]

20:55 The thing is that they don't actually care. They straight up just ban people from asking for stuff like sharks (with the excuse that these endangered animals might be harmed by children in real life). Why did they add the axolotl then? This would bring more awareness to sharks but whatever.

[@kowikowi8718]

Or serval other animals like the polarbears.

[@Sir_Newkirk]

@@kowikowi8718 exactly.

[@kowikowi8718]

The reason WE have No t rexes ist cuz Kids killed them all after playing tomb Raider ofc

[@flazzorb]

Frankly I find this all very infuriating. Especially considering that I had been excited for the idea of education edition back when I went to school, and there is a real possibility that, had I gotten it, it would've deeped my frustration with the education system. It saddens and agrivates me to see such failures in education as it not only flippantly wastes time and money, but deepens the issues of mistrust in science and the willful ignorance that follows it.

[@woshj]

"Some people would call it, educational" was so perfectly delivered

[@unholyscreeches8766]

so many of your videos have been minecraft education edition done correct tbh. ive always had an interest in geology but your videos would be EXCELLENT for younger ppl to genuinely become educated about the world around us whilst being wrapped up in a fun minecraft world! keep doing what you do :)

[@ackbar3948]

The picture for the Everlasting Bubbles lesson is the Queen's Laundry Bath House in Yellowstone

[@MCjossic]

I saw your post over on r/minecraftsuggestions last night; I had a suspicion a video might be coming. The video itself was very enlightening, I'm frankly shocked at how lacking and inaccurate Education Edition is. If I were Mojang I'd be ashamed. The least they could have done is some proper research, or to hire a consultant. They have the money. P.S. I wouldn't bank of your post on the official feedback site ever getting approved. That site is impressively dysfunctional and regularly makes posts vanish while pending approval. (Apparently this is "intended behaviour", which is just outrageous. It's WEB-1087 on the bug tracker for anyone who cares.) Also the subreddit isn't official, it's just run by fans. There is no official, reliable way to pitch your ideas to the developers.

[@gneissname]

Currently if i try and look at it is not listed under my request or contributions, its listed under "following" and still says post is pending approval.

[@MCjossic]

@@gneissname Well I wish you luck

[@Jenna_Talia]

I know Minecraft gets compared to Terraria a lot now and it's exhausting, but this really does just go to show how important player feedback is. Redigit always turned small bug fixes into major title updates just by going "yep, sound idea, added to the list" for everybody he saw post a suggestion, anywhere.

[@LilacMonarch]

"They have the money" Are you saying they should cut into their huge profits??? Le gasp

[@kjj26k]

I honestly doubt Mojang is capable of shame.

[@AlexandHuman]

4:46 I would really love if every one of these steps were added into education edition, or maybe into a Java Edition mod, each one of those steps looks really fun and step-by-step, and I love step-by-step organized processes.

[@galoomba5559]

You might like TerraFirmaCraft. I don't think it has rock glass making, but it has plenty of other step-by-step processes.

[@catfan913]

gregtech has multistep processing of ores and creation of chemical compounds

[@AlexandHuman]

@@galoomba5559 ooo, yes, I might. I am looking for something with a very minecrafty feel to it, and terrafirmacraft gives me that better than some other modpacks.

[@Jamseth_Ingramious]

For something simpler, Alchemistry lets you break items down into compounds and rearrange them, compounds into atoms, and atoms into subatomic particle.

[@AlexandHuman]

@@Jamseth_Ingramious Hmm, interesting! I don't know why, but one of my first thoughts was "What if this, but magic was added?" like how MC:EE has the mystery material added within more fictional blocks

[@idontwantahandlethough]

@12:45 "whilst" has been a plague on the English language for a few years now. IT MEANS THE SAME EXACT THING AS WHILE!!

[@Røgärøu]

Okay...And?

[@Rissoe_Really]

the fact that Nomifactory (an industralisation modpack with lots of science and stuff, way too hard for my little brain) is more advanced than something made by Mojang themselves is kinda funny

[@meisteryogurt1460]

As someone who is studying chemical engineering right now I was familiar with the hair-raising inaccuracies (or rather simplification) of the chemical aspect of education edition. Aside from the elemental composion blunders (even I knew rock was not just SiO2 before I ever really got into geology) chemistry is not just about "oh, what elements is this made of" and, especially, when you want to make something you don't just shove the component elements together, because that will get people hurt (and is uneconomical). Most of the time, it's actually the reverse, to make a compound you want to find the pathway from some easily available other compounds with the least steps and energy investment possible, and since there are millions of different compounds with varying properties, a synthetic chemist's job is hard. Pure elements are almost always as far removed from your desired compound as possible, not to mention the difficulties of getting them to react in ways that are desirable of the many ways they could otherwise react or the fact that they are mostly very hard to obtain and purify in the first place. Now, I understand, I think, that these blocks are not meant to actually educate students about the work of real chemistry but instead provide an easy to use way of showcasing different compound formulas, but still, some misleading conclusions can be drawn. Also, the sum-formula is pretty much worthless of you don't know the exact ways the atoms are bonded together - this is even true in geology and especially in organic chemistry - try tell me that cellulose, acetic acid and some wet graphite are the same thing just because they have the sum composition of CH2O. But I always wrote it off as the quirks of an obscure and forgotten version of minecraft that is left there for showcase youtubers to pluck apart when they run out of content. To think that there are thousands of lessons possibly just as "cough cough" simplified as this and that the platform is very much active in the state that it seems to be ..

[@mxblock]

Seeing how casual you just dropped in the process of you creating glass and testing it, is so fricking cool. Love to see some stuff of what i learned in school the other days just showing up in somepart. Very cool!

[@JuneTreeDraws]

As always, it’s massively impressive and incredible how much effort and information you put into these videos. I always learn a ton, and the production value crammed into every little detail is mind blowing. Thank you for all you do! It was an honor to make you a piece of fan art :)

[@gneissname]

Hi JuneTree!

[@Yaseenicus]

20:48 "Source: I am a geologist" is sending me

[@renae2954]

The spectroscopy bit brought me back to my thesis on soil/bedrock correlation and relation to plant growth in South Dakota i finished last year. I spent so many hours prepping my soil samples and staring at those lines

[@DoctorSockrates]

I had a feeling it'd be half-assed. I didnt think it'd be this bad.

[@SupersuMC]

It's not even quarter- or eighth-assed. At best it's micro-assed.

[@curlyparmesan]

Holy moly busting out the big equipment to identify your dacite was LEGIT. WOW. Thank you for all the investigative journalism you're doing too.

[@Radar_of_the_Stars]

I noticed the inconsistency in the material reducer when I messed around with education edition, but I know next to nothing about geology, especially at the time, so I didn't clock that there were any deeper issues

[@hpr2986]

There’s a Minecraft mod called GregTech. It gives chemical formulas for a bunch of stuff, but also vanilla objects, like redstone. That chemical formula is wayyyy too complicated for me, but maybe you could take a look at that?

[@FoxDren]

10:42 "I would be impressed if you got this wrong" ah, but would you be surprised?

[@sammy_wills]

Honestly I feel like this really shows how lazy Mojang has gotten when it comes to adding depth and thinking features through, not just with education edition, but with the base game as well. Updates today feel very barren with very small additions with little to no depth. The sniffer which was said to be able to dig up unique in interesting plants gives only two flowers. Copper is relegated to a decorative block when it can be used for so much more. Dog armor gives underwhelming protection. The new trial chambers give the same old loot that every other dungeon gives, i would like some unique equipment like armor that gives special properties or tools that do cool things but its still the same minecraft loot table being stretched thinner and thinner. "Ooh look an enchanted golden apple, i can get those in desert temples" "oh whats that? Enchanted iron armor? I can make that myself." "Oh wow diamonds! I can mine for those and im already wearing it." The only breath of fresh air (no pun intended) is the breeze that can drop wind charges but that's still one unique item.

[@catharsis9789]

bro saw a video on educational failings nd thought it was a good time to complain about a 15 year old game not getting exciting enough updates 💀

[@sammy_wills]

@@catharsis9789 This video spoke about Mojang and their inherent laziness to put any depth into their games like education edition. Like it or not. Minecraft education edition is still Minecraft, and I'm simply stating the similarities that I see between them. A lazy developer will treat their games the same.

[@Philip-du9uc]

@@sammy_willsI blame company managment for those updates, everything has to be optimised, smooth, pixel perfect, needs to appeal to some 166~ million or smth players, while also being crunched into a small time scale in comparison to the time needed for the polishing. The devs are always blamed, those poor guys probably cry themself to sleep knowing that a small yet significant percentage of the world population hates them for something that they have no control over. I blame the Mojang higher-ups, Microsoft (or atleast the Microsoft body that has todo with minecraft and other Microsoft games), possibly invertors and probably even the UN (for atleast the whole preservation thing, maybe a money insentive, idk how, just came to my mind, i love making up shit on the internet, but honestly, idk if anybody remembers the time the UN gave us those rules for multiplayer shooters, with being humane and not targeting friendly NPCs and shit like that, this seems like a very UN type shit todo) for the lackluster updates and Education's shitty condition. I hope they will finally turn back to polishing their shit that they are making rn. But... just dont hate the on the poor devs, they've gotten enough shit already D:

[@empressassassin9975]

Man, it's so cool to see concepts from my field being talked about in a context that isn't academia, with facts and assertions that aren't just theories from a single paper or handwaving without sources. Seriously, it's a treat - I'm probably going to share these videos with my advisor. I never thought I'd get to see something like XRF in a non-formal youtube video, or have people look at rocks in Minecraft the same way I do. Keep doing what you're doing! Also, they couldn't have picked a better composition for stone, even if it had to be a single mineral? Sure, quartz is common, but they could've at least picked something that fits a little better. Maybe I'm just biased, but I feel like you can't go wrong with a feldspar. It'd definitely lend itself a little more to the appearance of stone, and feldspar compositions are much closer to the cobblestone comp that the game gives. (I haven't seen your videos on stone yet, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts on it. I'll check back later after I watch them!) Actually, if stone is actually just pure, presumably cryptocrystalline quartz, then the blade of the stonecutter would have to be something particularly hard. That makes sense considering what rock saw blades are generally made of, but it's a little funny that the recipe for them is just iron and stone. You can't really ask the player to invest diamond into a stonecutter of all things, I suppose.

[@CinnamonVixen]

12:40 While I've since switched majors, I was a biology student and I can confirm that Carbon, Nitrogen, Oxygen, and Hydrogen are considered the most fundamental elements of living things. Nearly all organic molecules consist of some combination of CNOH, sometimes with a bit of Phosphorus and other elements thrown in there.

[@tj-co9go]

yeah it is basic knowledge I never went further than high school but that was taught in chemistry and biology there

[@tothejazz4828]

*Whilst

[@lewismassie]

13:45 FWIW I work in a environmental laboratory with a £12k machine and one of the software windows has the mispelling 'calibartion'. And as a chemist the element system in Education Edition is far below what the MineChem mod offers on mutiple fronts. I never looked into EE's system because I knew it would not make sense.

[@fisch37]

I was going to write a serious comment about how sad those element mismatches are, but "hire me!" made me laugh so hard I don't think I can anymore