🔴 Mini Talon Build Overview - Full Parts List Included (PS: She flies brilliantly!)

[@sputniksam]

Hi Matt. I've just got to say what an excellent build!!! Your attention to detail is phenomenal. Being a RF Engineer in a former life I was particularly impressed with the twisting of the servo wires, I do this on all my models also to reduce the unwanted common mode currents and unwanted RF re-radiation and induction. When weight isn't an issue I also fit ferrite chokes to noisy bits. Unfortunately my Talon is still in its box waiting to be put together, the mind is willing but the body is buggered 😜 . However I'm glad I've held off as you touched on areas I would have undoubtedly missed. Thanks for freely sharing your hard work. Regards. Nidge.

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy Nidge, thank you. It took me long enough! It was the laminating that too an age to do as there is a load of fiddly bits, the wings I had done in 30 minutes flat, but the fuse, well about 2 weeks! I will make an episode on the twisted cables as well, as they are only moderately more expensive than normal ones, but the quality is there to warrant their usage. Matt

It looks like that hole-less linkage stoppers are quite common, I got a couple as well...

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Yea WTF is it with those anyway? Matt

[@allant9432]

you have made here look nice and tidy matt

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Morning Allan, thank you! Just don't use silver film on the top, it disappears into the sky LOL! Matt

[@Stubbsyfpv]

Thx again Matt just ordered my mt yesterday as more of a long range model to the z3 im currently flying. Another brilliant well informative video. 👍👍👍

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Hey Stubs, I'm glad you found it helpful! Also in the later video which I think you've watched already, mount the ESC near the back as shown BEFORE you glue the model together as it saves any faffing later and keeps the ESC super cool. Matt

[@billhiscock8829]

great vid lots of infor. in the middle of my build now.. thanks for the help.

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy Bill, fantastic to hear. My mini talon is amazing, I hope this makes yours just the same, or better! Matt

[@NickB2513]

Great vid Matt! I like the strobe light!

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy Nick, thank you. That strobe is well bright! Matt

[@NickB2513]

I've just bought a strobe along with the lens thing! some really great tips in this video matey, some I didn't think of so this is really gonna help with my build, well, when everything finally arrives from Bangballs! :-) Me and Steve need to come down and fly with you guys at some point too

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy Nick, yea that would be well cool! And yes, I literally watched every YT video out there for the mini talon and took on board what I had learned and put it into my mini Talon. She flies fantastically well, Matt

[@NickB2513]

Matthew Ogborne Yeah I watched the Maiden video! you seemed to have got it perfect! so would you Deffo recommend the cg being a little further up so it's slightly nose heavy?

[@HallyFPV]

Hi just to clarify, the correct cog for this wing is 55mm from the leading edge on each wing its not on the servo wire which is around 66mm. The original manual which came with the Mini Talon was also incorrect as it had the cog listed at 75mm which was a misprint as this spot was for the full talon wing. Manual has now been updated by X-UAV to show 55mm is correct cog for this wing (Latest Manual is available from X-UAV website) There is a long thread regarding Mini Talon cog on rcgroups so just have a look and you will see. Cheers,

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Hally FPV That would explain why soooooooo many people had issues with theirs then! Mines running nose heavy for sure, but it flies fine :) Matt

[@HallyFPV]

Aye seen a lot of launch horrors with this one and its due to the CoG. 55mm is what you want, ill be testing mine at the weekend hopefully!

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy Hally, through it straight (so not nose up like a normal model) and hard, with loads of throttle to get the air speed up fast. They like to cruise at 30-40mph (40mph if they can), Matt

[@HallyFPV]

Yeah it will get a good straight toss, just going to try it bareback first but tempted to order a vector FC for it.

[@HallyFPV]

See what you mean fella, i struggled to get the thing airborne at first it has a tendency to roll to the left hard. Once shes up she flys great, landings are a a bit of a challenge too!!!

[@multirotorfpvuk]

Hi Matt, Really been enjoying your videos and Coffee chats! I ordered a Mini Talon! any chance of some more videos of your one, maybe a demo launch? Keep up the good work!

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy fella, yep I have some footage here of it still in the editing queue. I will get to it when I can :) In the meantime, see here kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKvTc62gh519etE Matt

[@multirotorfpvuk]

Brilliant! thanks Matt.

[@sadizm.777]

Your videos are AWESOME. I follow you from AZERBAIJAN. Can you make rc planes with pixhawk 2.4.8 flight controller. And make it full tutorial

[@sibujacob977]

Hi, Can you provide the positions of the V-Tail ruddervator for the stabilized flight mode. Also in stabilized mode , what is the position of the left and right V-Tail when we do a right yaw.....thank you in advance

[@aleks3a00]

It's a great model. Very many people use it in worldwide.. But I never found on the Internet how to set up the model with INAV and flight controller Omnibus F4! Which one to choose a preset.? Which direction is the deviation of the ailerons.? How to connect.? Please .. make a video on tuning this plane to INAV and Omnibus F4. Thank you so much for your time and your videos!

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Hey Alex, it's easy, read the manual, or specifically see the iNav Wiki. It even has copy & paste presets for the Mini Talon, Matt

[@aleks3a00]

Thanks!!

[@delasantos]

Absolutely AMAZING video. Thanks for sharing!

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy Delasantos, thanks for watching, I'm glad you found it helpful :) Matt

[@delasantos]

Is that wing cover hard to see when flying?

[@RagTheNutsOff]

VERY, don't do it!

[@solarpall]

VERY NICE BUILD!

[@RagTheNutsOff]

+solarpall Thank you :)

[@magicpods6219]

Nice build Matthew, thanks for sharing! :)

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Thanks!

[@Accrecon]

Would the receiver antenna have better reception rotated 90 degrees flying straight out or returning from or to your 12 0r 6 O"clock. I dont know the answer?

[@jasondonavich2758]

Quick question, I ended up smashing my drone into the ground running the vector and wondered if I could mount my 3D gimbal to the front? As it works inverted. Also would I get much time with a 3s 3000mah?

[@donwood7700]

Nice details. Thanks.

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Thanks Don!

[@Dozerboy84]

good stuff man, if you had to choose between the Mini and the Nano Talon, what would be your choice?

[@likeke9]

Matt could you share your Taranis setup for the Mini Talon? Thanks

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy Richard, there is no point, I was using a Vector, thus no mixing etc... that is all done in the Vector, Matt

[@dbcustomrc]

Matt, love the video. This is looking like my next plane. I have an email 2214/09 that's around 1100-1180kv. Would that be enough motor?

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy Daniel, it's quite a big model and I'm not sure how big the can size is on that motor. The SS 2216 1250Kv motor has a motor can size around 3cm deep, so if that 2214 is half the size, it might not be a good fit (or could be, not sure on that motor). The kv is around the right value though, hope that helps! Matt

[@dbcustomrc]

Im on a tight budget and I have the emax on hand. its a little short on KV but the grams of thrust is within a few hundred of each other with Sunnysky being the higher of the two. I think the SS is 1520 grams and the Emax is 1250. They both are around 70 grams. The emax 2215-09 is the Flitetest Power Pack C motor for large planes. Its only rated for 3 cells but I see people all the time running 3 cell motors on 4 cells on quads. Is that the right battery in your link? only 10c?

[@MooBttR]

Hi Matt, I see a lot of Mini Talon users use a separate BEC, why don't you? Thanks!

[@MooBttR]

Also, what length servo extension cable did you buy?

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy Bruno, the ESC I'm using is a good one, also it's air cooled on the top rather than being inside the fuse where it'll get toasty hot. As for the extensions, no idea, I custom made mine from 60cm pre made ones, Matt

[@DANHjAM]

A useful overview, thanks. Question: Did you put the thinner silver covering film on top of your laminate or do the wings only have the thinner silver film on? Thinking of using a bright orange film on mine. Also, did you apply any adhesive to the foam before laminating? I've seen a few saying it's better to apply 3M 77 or 90 (but I'm not sure if that was ok for EPO or just EPP).

[@usarmyfl1]

Can this take off from the ground? Or is that wheel just for landing?

[@j.o.e2683]

Awesome! What is the range?

[@RagTheNutsOff]

No idea, I've never hit it! Matt

[@garrynutter860]

Nice Informative video, Thanks

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Morning Gary, thank you sir! Matt

[@chippy310]

Hi Matt. What's the best way to do the trench cut in wings for wiring

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy Rithard, for the mini talon, I think I used a metal ruler and a soldering iron. Harsh, but works great :) Matt

[@chippy310]

Matthew Ogborne cheers keep up the awesome reviews your doing best ones on KZbin

[@Annihilationyzz]

Hey, would you be able to setup iNav with this build? If so what board would you recommend? Thanks heaps

[@paulham]

What about flying directly from the runcam hd2? rather than having 2 cams on it

[@RagTheNutsOff]

paulham Howdy Paul, I've seen other people do that, personally that's not at approach I would take (for example have you seen how big the memory full warning is on a runcam?) Matt

[@27adamc]

Hi Matt, thanks for your very helpful videos, just a quick question on the laminate did you laminate the wings and then cover with the silver or is it just the silver covering on the wings?

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy Adam, great question! Before I answer, note I made a video on laminating a short while ago here kzbin.info/aero/PLgoM4-umzSqerAGMmuSZ7Yq3dybsQittq So with that in mind, in this instance I didn't as I knew what the silver film was like to work with (easy). However on a EPP wing when using white film which is very sensitive stuff, I laminated the wing first with clear (easy), then covered with the white film. Hope that helps Adam, Matt

[@rotormasher]

HI Matt, trying to setup my mini talon with L9R, Vector and need some help please. Do you have a set by step video for the taranis, vector set up? thanks in advance

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy fella, I don't. However the process is pretty straight forwards if you have a good read of the manual. The key thing to note is that you change the servo movement in the Taranis to match what the model is doing in a stabilized mode. If you get stuck, just ask in the RTNO FaceBook group as there is loads of us with vectors. Matt

[@rotormasher]

Matthew Ogborne many thanks, I'm new to frsky as spectrum user for the last 10+ years lol so it makes life even harder. I'll keep at it and hopefully won't loose all my hair! Cheers

[@kevinlane]

Hi Matt currently £37 in EU warehouse until June 30th

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy Kevin, I know, I've now got 2 of them! Matt

[@tracibeacer670]

Would your receiver antennas be better turned 90 degrees?

[@RagTheNutsOff]

traci beacer Howdy Traci, I put them around that way as it was more aerodynamic. I have the same setup on my Phantom and I have yet to have RSSI issues! Matt

[@urlawyer]

Thanks, Matt; great job as usual, and I appreciate the detailed build video. Interested in your aileron hinges; are they only tape? Are they still attached at the foam and you added tape reinforcement? Did you laminate over the hinge line? Asking because for my current build I detached the ailerons, then reattached them with actual hinges, and now I'm contemplating laminating over the hinge line for strength and a little more of a smooth airflow (I'd deflect the ailerons full down as I'm laminating over the top hinge line, vice-versa for the bottom, hopefully to prevent binding).

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy fella, I left them attached and there isn't any laminate over them, that was cut to ensure that the hinge worked ok, then I used blenderm tape to ensure a good hinge. See this video for how I do that kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5iaZqukpNCFpKs Matt

[@urlawyer]

Matthew Ogborne Excellent! Thanks.

[@antongazaryan2532]

L9r is inside the wing, right? I couldn't see any possible way to reach receiver in your build.

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Hi Anton, yes thats correct, out on the outer edge of the wing. The wiring loom goes under the wing itself, back to the main fuse area. Matt

[@Dozerboy84]

Thanks for the video, very nice. I am also just building my talon and I am a total beginner! do you glue the servos into the fittings or is there another way? Just think abt how to replace them if they break after a crash... reg BEC, do you only use the integrated BEC in the ESC as the only power source for servos, fc, vtx or do you have separate becs?thanks beforehand!

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy fella, I use hot glue and have never had an issue. As for the BEC, you'll need at least a 3A BEC because it's 4 servos and extras. Hope that helps, Matt

[@Dozerboy84]

RagTheNutsOff thanks your quick reply! have a 5a integrated bec so will only use this for all the extras!

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Sweet. The only model I have a separate BEC in is the XUAV Clouds and thats because it's so big, I run the servos on 6V instead of 5V (yes the servos I'm using can take it), Matt

[@Dozerboy84]

one last question matt, the BEC wires that come out of the ESC, do you feed the 5A into a power distribution board and let each component take from there? otherwise might be difficult to hook all components to the BEC directly? plsd to hear and thanks again

[@84npor]

Hi. I've got an Immersion 600mW video transmitter in my quad. Which video receiver do you use with your FPV Fatshark v3 goggles and what's the range expected?

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Morning, thats a good question, however the point here is that the reception quality is completely "subjective". I use a diversity receiver with a Aomway diamond antenna pointed at the area I'm going to be flying the most & clover so even with a 25mw vtx I get great reception! Matt

[@84npor]

Hi. just a quick question. Are you using external video receiver connected to your goggles or like( True-D Diversity/LaForge) receivers?

[@aleks3a00]

Hi Matt. Please help me. I put the Turnigy D2836 / 8 1100KV motor on this plane. Just I had it in stock. There is only a battery 3S -5200A Will this plane fly with this motor and this battery.? And which propeller should I use? 8x6 will be good or better 8x4 ? Thank you for video !!

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy fella, you'll need to check the details on that motor as I don't know which prop is best for 4S on that on Alex I'm afraid, Matt

[@aleks3a00]

Thanks for your quick answers! You are- super!

[@mauldek9352]

Hey good video i have a question what it your autonomie in 5200mah 4s ?? THANK MEN :)

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy fella, autonomie ?

[@SajaksFavorites]

1. any chance who do QuadPlane with this frame 2. care to make video on lamination thanks

[@zaplocked]

crash test hobbies has a great video or two on lamination on their website. crashtesthobby.com/

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Morning, I won't be making this one a VTOL model and I'll get a basics video created at some point on laminating, it's surprisingly easy to do! Matt

[@Freebird_67]

Need some help with my PNP version Mini talon. Motor has an offset is this normal?

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy fella, no idea on the PNP version. If any of the kits I have built have offset in, it;s been built into the mount as I have never added (or have heard of it being added) to the motors, Matt

[@adamfpv8294]

How much money did you spend on the entire aircraft ( air frame, esc, motor, etc.)?

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy Adam, I can;t remember, however all the parts in the video description for the latest prices and also note that I am using a Eagle Tree vector which adds an extra £180 to the total bill, whereas if I had used iNav, that would have only been say £30. Matt

[@LeonardoValente_]

I've just ordered one today! I've got a couple questions . Is 60cm enough to extend the servo leads from the tail and from the wings to the flight controller ? What kind of tape is it , that you've puted on the ailerons ?

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy Leonardo, 60cm extensions should do it, see the video description for the links to the ones I used. And I had to add in 1 extra wire for both sides (audio and a RSSI line). And the tape is Blenderm tape. Can be bought on eBay or HobbyKing. Hope that helps! If you have any questions, either leave a comment here or pop them in the FaceBook group :) Hope that helps Leonardo! Matt

[@LeonardoValente_]

Matthew Ogborne Thanks !

[@LeonardoValente_]

Did you had to pass all the connections from the FC to the L9R through the wing ?

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy Leonardo, no just +, -, SBUS and RSSI to the Vector flight controller. Matt

[@LeonardoValente_]

Matthew Ogborne Cant find that blenderm tape at EU warehouse :( Is it anything else i can use ?

[@tobyax]

How heavy is your muni Talon? My mini talon with engine ntm 2826 1350kv, apc 8x6 prop and lipo 4s did not get up, with weighs 1300gr

[@RagTheNutsOff]

No idea, give me a mo, I'll stick a battery in it and see what the total weight is. Matt

[@RagTheNutsOff]

1540 grams including a 433 gram 5200mAh 4S lipo. See this video for her launches as I give it an epic lob AND loads of throttle, it needs to lobbed straight and enough speed to get her to fly, as these like to fly FAST! kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKvTc62gh519etE Hope that helps Toby! Matt

[@tobyax]

Matthew Ogborne thank you Matt

[@FunTechandMore]

Matthew Ogborne how long and how far can you flie with your setup using the fpv feed . and what did your whole setup cost you all on all excluding the goggles and the frsky tx? Do you use a ground station autotracking antenna? Did you do a mod to the frsky, because the range is maybe 6km max? Nice video and great that all mods are together.

[@LeonardoValente_]

What's your opinion about keeping the front wheel with the 3D bumper ?

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy Leo, I put mine in and it's not broken yet! Matt

[@LeonardoValente_]

Even with hot landings ?

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy Leo, I'll take any advantage to bring her down straight, mini talons land HOT! Matt

[@madobox]

Hi. For a noob like me with wings. it's a lot of investment for vector. can you suggest something what is good for start. thanks

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy fella, I presume you mean for the flight controller. PatrickE's Baseflight Airplane works well, others (not me) have had success with iNav and there are m any others too. But the Vector is by far the best FC I've had. Matt

[@madobox]

Sorry yes. :-) For start i need only something for cruising in Los. And little bit of FPV. I already ordered S800. But after your videos i ordered a Talon also :-D

[@obinnaeke8067]

Stifler Fpv may e check out the AKbird?

[@silbernersurfer8264]

What is the max current?

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Howdy, I believe around 32A, but I may be wrong. I rarely use full knacker on this model and fly it at 8A. Hope that helps! Matt

[@silbernersurfer8264]

Thanks Matthew!

[@zaplocked]

have you checked out markQv's xuav talon / mini talon builds? lots of nice info and some 3d printable accessories (fpv setup, skids like you mentioned, etc). I'm following his foldable prop setup now and its great. www.itsqv.com www.thingiverse.com/thing:1661274

[@RagTheNutsOff]

Morning Zapf, yes I have seen some of those parts. I like the other approach more and went for the lower mounted pan servo. Also the skids were overkill, I used a piece of carbon strip and thats working out really well! Matt

[@circuitbender4013]

be prepared: this thing does not fly out of the box