Minimotors Dualtron Storm Review: The world's fastest removable battery electric scooter

[@Pintexx]

Would be really cool if other companies went the dualtron route and try to include removable batteries in their scooters. Would make it so easy to own 100lb scooters cause you can charge the 30lb battery easily and leave the scooter downstairs.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

To me, that's definitely a more likely use case than carrying an extra one :-) -Paul

[@austinhernandez2716]

Not everyone has a stairway. What would be good about it is the extra range

[@michaelschwab9563]

Would be really cool if Dualtron went the route of a Dual Stem setup instead of the Creaky POS they continue to use.

[@Simcore999]

The best removable battery is at 7lbs the lithium-Patriot, when stored in a carry-On the whole unit can easily cover half the country 🌌😉

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Gotta admire your commitment to the brand Ash! -Paul

[@tlong9812]

Good to see u guys reviewing dualtron. I’m a thunder owner it’s a classic beast. 3,300 miles on it. Zero issues. And a joy to mod. Really psyched for Storm limited to hit the market. Jumping ahead of the 72v scooters. Hope u review it. And of course the Thunder 2 hitting the market as well.

[@tlong9812]

And apparently storm limited has 136 mile range. Of course cut that in half if riding hard and fast. Still about 70 miles. Eliminating the need for removable battery.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

That's going to be a long range test. I'll need to bring lunch! -Paul

[@tlong9812]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide ha. Maybe dinner too.

[@phattacorider]

Excellent review Paul! As a storm owner myself I fully agree on all the points you hit! I just want add that the battery being removable actually makes it smaller than it can be because of the casing (reason why the ultra 2 has a larger capacity). Also, that horn is the loudest horn on any scooter that I've encountered. It's practically a car horn!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks so much! Great to have feedback from a Storm owner! Good point about the battery size. We measured it at 97db, but the BURN-E horn was actually louder, at over 100 db :-) -Paul

[@phattacorider]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide wow that's crazy! I've yet to see a burn-e in person, but its certainly on my list of wants! Seriously your reviews are very thorough and are a good tool for a proper purchase decision.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thank so much. Its a labor of love for sure. -Paul

[@YourAubsome]

@6:45 those tires can be mounted on split rims you just use a tube instead of using them as tubeless. I have those exact tires on my Zero 11x and it has split rims.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Good to know that this is ok. I know sometimes it's not recommended to tube a tubeless tire. In the video I just meant that you can't use a tubless tire as a tubeless tire on split rims. Cheers. -Paul

[@ThePowerIsInYourHead]

2:53 58.8mph = 94.63 km/h

[@RCDevotee]

Great review Paul! I would like to have a Storm for some of the longer and faster BAESK8 rides. I am primarily an electric unicycle rider these days but I do take out the Dualtron Compact from time to time.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

For sure. One thing I forgot to incude in the review is that if you know you have a battery on your back, and you're out riding on your own, you don't even need to look at the charge or how hard you're riding on battery #1. Because the harder you ride on battery 1, the more sure you are that battery #2 will get you home, if you turn around as soon as you run out :-) -Paul

[@arnaldogonzalez9305]

Another hit Paul ! . What is the IP raining for Dualtron? Also in your opinion Dualtron or Wolf King ? Thanks

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thank you so much Arnaldo! Sorry, I didn't see your message until just now. Unfortunately the Dualtrons aren't IP rated :-( Dualtron Storm or Wolf King, is a tough one. But Storm vs Wolf King GT, I'd be GT all the way.... unless I ever needed to lift the thing. The GT is brutally heavy. The swappable battery feature is pretty cool, but the batteries cost as much as some dual motor scooters, so I don't think many people will have more than one battery. The Storm really has some presence though. The swag lights, loud motors and bonkers throttle response is pretty fun, but takes more effort to ride than many others because the ride is so intense. -Paul

[@mantaescooters9899]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks for your time!!!

[@kevmack101]

I bought this scooter just because of the lights. At night or late evening, you will get the most compliments. It's not the fastest but, I'm not going to lie it makes no sense to go faster than 80kph (50mph) on any scooter. Only wish the suspension was softer or at least easier to adjust without changing cartridges. Also, wish it had some type of chill mode because even Econo is scary take off lol

[@wesleygaitan]

Dam bro you don't feel like that too expensive? There's alot of theivies here in nyc

[@bengruenglas7050]

Loved the review Paul thanks. I like your attention to important details and your propensity to bring out the modder in people 😁

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks Ben. I actually re-wrote the original conclusion to the video because it was pretty much: this scooter is awesome because I can't stop thinking of how I want to mod it. And I realized that may not be why it appeals to everyone. :-) -Paul

[@bengruenglas7050]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I like that ending! I would say that I started out on a level 0 modder and now I'm about level 1 or 2. I'm slowly moving up on modding.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

It's a slippery slope! :-) I used to own a motorcycle shop, so I've also definitely seen what it looks like when mods go wrong. :-) -Paul

[@FysioTutor]

Gotta love it how e-scooters are like cars nowadays. Nami (Ferrari), Dualtron (Range Rover), Apollo (Porsche) and Wolf king (Honda Civic). Great content once again, keep it up!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thank you so much Matias! -Paul

[@bigcity420]

Honda Civic Can beat a porche? Put some respect on the wolf. Civic... Thats funny

[@gobotpc]

wolf (civic) come on man . Apollo (Porsche !) now come on man

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

What do you think of the new Minimotors Dualtron Storm? : geni.us/DaYYI4?track=yt Let us know down below!

[@angrydalek]

Who has $5K for the scooter and probably another $500 to $1000 for each spare battery? It is a great scooter tho, and its about time you tested dualtron.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks! From what I hear the spare batteries are close to $1,500! Really enjoying working our way through the Dualtrons at last! -Paul

[@razorraysolarsavings70]

Can you lower the suspension of the Storm like you can on the Thunder? Great review as always. Thanks

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Yes. It's kind of a pain. Remove brake calipers remove wheels, remove fender, remove swing arms, move up one or two notches and re-install swing arms. The problem is that the front gets longer when you do this, and it puts the contact patch of the tire too far forward, relative to the pivot point of the steering, and makes the steering less stable at speed. Lowering the back by two and the front by one might be good though. I didn't try all of the combinations. Tallest in the front was definitely noticeably more stable at top speed. -Paul

[@ibraheemali9541]

What r the other two longest range scooter? Is it water proof? How much the additional battery cost?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Surprisingly the scooter itself doesn't have an IP rating, though the battery itself is water resistant, if I remember correctly. The longest range scooter we have ever tested is the NAMI BURN-E followed by the EMOVE Cruiser. You can see the results of all of our range tests on our site -Paul electric-scooter.guide/comparisons/compare-electric-scooters/

[@ibraheemali9541]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks!! Its awesome !! 👌 This comparison tool is by far the best i have seen anywhere to help in deciding which Escooter to buy!!! Some sughestions from my side are as follows....1. It would be great if you add another criteria of "warranty..." as for eg in this case we have to pay an additional amount of above 200 $ for 1 2 or 3 years options of warranty for EMOVE while NAMIEBURN comes with12 months free warranty . 2. Also the range is a bit confusing at first and can be clarified instead of putting stars** you can write 'company listed range' and ' our tested range' comparison side by side for a single product instead of a person only to find out this by going to detailed description page seperately. Thanks alot again paul for a detailed response.👍

[@kriskrossdomingo1771]

I think nobody beats the wolf family because of number one reason safety! Dual stem beats single steam this $4000 scooter should not be having wobbling problems period

[@lostie1]

Wow these have come so far since the m365 commuter scooter wish Xiaomi would start higher spec models. How long do the battery take to charge?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

It takes a long time. With the charger it comes with charging takes 21 hours, but with a fast charger, you can bring it down to as few as 6 hours. -Paul

[@jpoorr9973]

I consider the storm to be a prototype/one-off type scooter being that the storm limited doesn't have a removable battery. I would recommend anybody who owns a storm to buy the extra battery as soon as it is available even if they don't plan to swap them out all the time. At least they'll have a battery that can be stored in a climate-controlled area. Then they are guaranteed to have a scooter that will last for many years without loss of range and performance 👍✌

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Really good point. I was thinking about that. If you're investing this much into a scooter, having a back-up battery on hand ensures longevity and gives you one to ride with, if the other battery ever needs service. -Paul

[@slick1908]

yeah, buy a battery that will age sitting in the shelf

[@VattanaThach]

@@slick1908 just swap them regularly

[@rageburst]

I found that a lot of the creaky sound comes from the spiral wire coating. Squirting silicone all over the wires solved that for me.

[@metallurgico]

I wish those brands would pay more attention to build quality when used for months or years. I don't mean they have to be maintenance-free, but I don't want the scooter to fall in pieces after 2-3 years considering the cost of those.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

For sure. Definitely more of a concern as the price goes up. Both longevity and parts availability. -Paul

[@metallurgico]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide ​ There MUST be replacement parts like for every electronic device (unfortunately it's not always the case). I feel like companies are focusing only on top speed and acceleration, while I'd prefer powerful LED lights or even laser ones, so I won't die under a car riding it at night. Brakes should be as good as the Storm for every scooter. People are always concerned with safety in an unreasonable way, but on scooters they are not and they want only to go fast lol

[@metallurgico]

​ @Electric Scooter Guide There MUST be replacement parts like for every electronic device (unfortunately it's not always the case). I feel like companies are focusing only on top speed and acceleration, while I'd prefer powerful LED lights or even laser ones, so I won't die under a car riding it at night. Brakes should be as good as the Storm for every scooter. People are always concerned with safety in an unreasonable way, but on scooters they are not and they want only to go fast lol

[@rxonmymind8362]

I wish they would pass a law that will make parts requirement a minimum of 5 years. I believe there's a federal law where motorcycles and cars have a 10-year parts requirement for manufacturers.

[@Feeeiiid]

I'm new to e-scooter, I got a few questions... What's better for longer ranges having higher voltage or amp-hour? Also, what's the difference in having greater wattage for motor hubs?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

The main number to compare is Watt-hours (amp-hours times nominal voltage). This will tell you how much total energy the battery can store. -Paul

[@vripiatbuzoi9188]

Greater rated wattage for motors gives you more power, for example up hill, and usually quicker takeoff. But you need good controllers to match. Unfortunately the Storm still uses the old square wave controllers which are not great for control. The Nami Burn-e, for the same price, has the new better sine wave controllers that should be the standard for all scooters going forward.

[@SakowskiStudios]

how does one lock this beast when out and about?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

The battery locks into the deck with a key, but I'd be pretty nervous about locking the scooter itself, unless I could see it the whole time. A U-lock at the base of the neck, and pulling the battery out are probably the best countermeasures to theft. But then you've got a 30 lb battery on your hands. But the battery would fit easily into a grocery cart. -Paul

[@SakowskiStudios]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Fair enough, not being able to lock up your scooters and do things without it them in sight seems to defeat the purpose of the scooters function for me as I use it for my main form of transport in Auckland city, New Zealand. In saying that I had an Inokim Ox for 3 years. It was stolen last month, but not because of the locks I used. The thieves used a crowbar to pry the street post out of the ground that I was locked to; they just pulled the whole post out... The Ox had that nice steel chassis hole that you could lock through though. I never had a problem really leaving it and going out and about. Lesson for me is not to ever lock my scooter to a post that can be pulled out of the ground again. I have insurance so the best thing out of this situation is I'm now upgrading to and NAMI! cant wait to burn around the city on that. I like that the Nami has that roll cage handle at the back as that is a good locking point, and ill probably use 2 locks when running errands.

[@mrkevin6354]

Excellent review. Would like to see a seat option. Also, for the money this scooter needs a cigarette lighter.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Lol you are right it does!

[@TheIncridibleOne]

Only 43 miles? What a disappointment. Not worth $5000 in my opinion

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

What's your favorite scooter for long range riding? -Paul

[@TheIncridibleOne]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I haven't owned one yet. I thought about buying the Storm but your review changed my mind. Maybe a Weped FS or Hunter Quad

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I haven't tested those. What sort of range do they get in a range test.

[@TheIncridibleOne]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Weped supposedly 80-90 miles The HunterQuad can do much more according to their YT-channel

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

We find that on our range test, we usually get 60% of the manufacturer's claimed range. But even 60% of 90 miles would be 54 miles which would break our range record of 53.3 miles set by the BURN-E. I really hope to get to find out at some point. Not having data from some of the top scooters is certainly a hole in our database that I would like to fill. -Paul

[@dpadap2878]

Amazing review!!!👍👍👍 Thanks Paul!😉

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching. -Vosk

[@deanh3678]

when is the vsett series reviews coming? the scooters have been out for a long time now

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Yes --- and we finally got one in our hands this week.... Stay tuned, our review will be soon, ESG style of course. 📊⚒🚀 - Trina

[@rubiconoutdoors3492]

I really want a twist throttle. Or even a partial twist, like how some mountain bikes shift

[@speedforce131]

If I'm moving to CA, I'm getting a Storm. 43mi w/ swappable battery is bonkers for food delivery. Only 1 scooter needed instead of 2.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

We're really curious about this use case. Would you find a way to carry the spare? or keep it at home base, circle-back, swap it our and put the other one on charge? -Paul

[@ArcYT]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I would ride until I'm low enough to just get back home, swap and continue

[@speedforce131]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I'm of the home base strategy. I know my scooter's range is 31mi, so I save enough to get back home & swap. This is the strategy I'm currently using with my Vsett 8 & e-bike.

[@californiaplant-basedeater2761]

How are you going to compare ranges when done at different speeds?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

They are all ran on the same course with similar speeds for the bigger scooters!

[@ruberteric]

Is it possible you guys can do a review, on the "Vsett 8"?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

We don't have one coming our way, that I know of. We do have a Vsett 10+ coming though. The closest thing to the Vsett 8 that we have reviewed is the Splach Turbo: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqqufmOaeqeZg7c

[@GregoryGauthier]

Have you found there to be any overheating issues with the Storms controller?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Hi Gregory, We didn't have any issues. I did four top speed runs back to back where I held it wide open for more than 1/2 mile each time. I have heard that some people had problems with controllers overheating though. It's surprising, considering that the Storm has the best heatsink I've ever seen on a scooter. It does use long motor cables though, since the controller for the front motor, is also located in the rear foot rest. So I wonder if that has anything to do with it. We actually have two Storms here and rode both of them hard without incident, but the weather is still pretty cool here in the SF Bay Area. -Paul

[@cesarebboy]

The best review thanks Is it waterproof?

[@chrishall3008]

great review, nicely presented.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thank you so much Chris!

[@chrishall3008]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide keep up the good work you guys do, your KZbin channel is the reason why I got myself a scooter in the first place 👍

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Awesome to hear Chris! I feel super fortunate to get to do this full time :-) We're going to try to pick up the pace on our review content. We have a ton of scooters to test. -Paul

[@chrishall3008]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide good to hear, I look forward to seeing them, and that dualtron storm looks awesome! i'm jealous, i'd love to try it, maybe if I win the lottery I'll buy one ha.

[@bexraphaela]

Thnx for the video. I wish they'd make it a little lighter but it looks perfect overall!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks for the kind words! -Vosk

[@AzogDefilerFromMordor]

I'd like to know if that removable battery deck can handle heavy rain

[@raftor___]

Hello, nice video ! Can I use excerpts from the video (without sound) to illustrate what I'm saying in my video? This is for a french presentation video. Thank you for your reply. Yours sincerely 😉

[@sewshy2493]

this is the best scooter i ever seen from where can i get this?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

There is a link in our web review below -Paul electric-scooter.guide/reviews/minimotors-dualtron-storm-review/

[@rubiconoutdoors3492]

What does an extra battery cost?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

$1,595 is what I have heard. -Paul

[@user-bb3xr5yh5m]

Great review 👏

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks so much! -Paul

[@DaneRates]

1.Can you add a seat to it? 2.Are the motors both Brushless?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Motors are brushless. I don't think you can add a seat to it. -Paul

[@aliasWitch]

Super review... Thanks.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thank you so much! -Paul

[@UchihaSumairu]

What is the most water resistant scooter that has a lot of range and can hit 40mph reliably with a 215lb rider? I'm a pretty big guy and I live in Florida. I really don't want a scooter that will die the second it rains as thats almost literally every day during spring/summer.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Nami Burn-E is an excellent choice -Vosk

[@UchihaSumairu]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thank you I'll check it out I'm guessing you have a review I'll go look for it!!

[@winwahpresswinwah188]

Hi Paul, what’s the low voltage reading for storm ?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

The Cutoff point should be adjustable in the P-Settings. Thanks -Vosk

[@joebidenshearingaid1618]

How heavy are the batteries ?Judging by the guy sticking in is packsack , they look real heavy.

[@MightyMonk360]

Great review if there’s anything that would convinced me to blow 5k it would be your review. You probably did a better job advertising this product than the company itself.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks for the kind words. -Vosk

[@kevmack101]

MY FAVORITE SCOOTER BECAUSE, I just hooked up my Dualtron Storm battery to my Wolf King GT and I can say this thing is now the ultimate scooter. Basically 67AH. Check out my latest video's on it.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Wow that’s awesome! -Vosk

[@hrufhduehveugrhhty2024]

How do you compare gas price with dualtron storm?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

You would be saving quite a bit! -Vosk

[@Good-qt6dw]

Where can i get a 2nd battery from?

[@matttheawesome1095]

Ok scooter dude! I am in need of your wisdom!! I’m looking for a scooter for around 1,500$ duel motors. And tubeless tires! * must have tube less. I really don’t want to have to swap the stock tires as soon as I purchase. Also if it could have roughly 40 mile range that would be cool

[@Marcin37.]

At what battery voltage does the power cut off?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

That is in the p settings!

[@Marcin37.]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I sold it yesterday. and I bought dualtron x2 up, can you tell me how much in this chulajondI don't know, the scooter is only going to them by courier is the power cut off?

[@Marcin37.]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide cut off - motor bms 20 %?

[@trentcurtis7251]

You should check out the bolzzen magneto, best electric scooter for the price.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks for the recommendation Trent. -Paul

[@REMY.C.]

I felt pain when I saw the guy falling when wheeling. Is he okay?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Oh yeah, I'm totally fine. Thank you for asking! I bounced right up. I wear really good gear because I never know when I'm going to do something stupid :-) -Paul

[@REMY.C.]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Glad to hear you're ok Paul. "Never know when I'm going to do something stupid". Unfortunately this has no remedy 😂 I really dread electric scooters falls. It's really more dangerous than any other vehicle because you're standing. A relative fell from her scooter because an absolute stupid car driver driving in the street decided not to pay attention and park his car without warning on the bike lane, brilliant idea. She couldn't react as there was less than 2m reaction distance. Her ankle was truly f*** up for like a year and she still has pain. When I saw your fall and how you lost balance I said "NOOO NOT THE ANKLE!!!!".

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I agree R. G. For me altitude is definitely a downside for scooters. When I raced motorcycles, I crashed over 10 times, and the only times I got hurt was when I lost it with the bike fairly upright. Lowsiding is easy compared to highsiding. -Paul

[@REMY.C.]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Agreed, an experienced racing pilot will know how to fall to mitigate injuries. It's even worse on scooters with tall and heavy riders. I fell once with a longboard. I felt it 😂 It really drives me crazy when I see ladies riding scooters (especially the non stable ones like Xiaomi) full speed (15-20mph) wearing high heels, skirt, sleeveless top, heavy bag on the shoulder, no gloves and no helmets or guys with shorts and slippers. If only they could realize that if they fall, it's gonna be cheese grater show with their skin and bones.

[@jasontomica8938]

Also the rion beats the storm!!!

[@jedh3854]

Is there any way to make it waterproof?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

That's a good question. I haven't looked into it. I'm really comfortable riding in the rain (I've been commuting by motorcycle every day, rain or shine for >20 years, but I probably wouldn't want to ride this scooter in the rain because the throttle response is so intense, that it would be hard not to lose the front end when cornering. It's possible to turn down the throttle enough to smooth things out, but it still wouldn't be ideal, since I really prefer to be in rear wheel drive mode for rain. -Paul

[@jasontomica8938]

Most of the people I've talked to prefer the ultra most people could care less about that heavy extra battery that you could put in there

[@pouchy400]

Great video . I own a Storm, and that abrupt throttle is too strong. I’ve ridden mines for almost 3 miles round trip only, and doesn’t make me confident it won’t throw me off. It’s just sitting in the garage.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks! Have you tried setting P7 = 4 or 5? that helped a lot, without taking away any of the power. Turning up battery-save by adjusting P9 helps too. P9 = 2 is the default. P9 = 3 is battery save off, and P9 = 1 is max save, which makes the Storm feel a bit slower, but does smooth things out. Of course, riding in ECO mode or gear 1 and 2 are ok to. Gear 1 and 2 feel kind of dead, but ECO mode felt pretty good. -Paul

[@pouchy400]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thanks for the advice. The first time I rode it, I did stop and adjusted P7 to 5 and had it in eco. Some one told me to adjust P9 like you suggested. I have some free time tonight and may take it out again.

[@ProvokeEqual]

@@pouchy400 ill take it if you don’t want it ;)

[@rxonmymind8362]

@@pouchy400 Definitely set p7 to number 5 for a smoother response.

[@yohvh]

They really miss in the Bluetooth and app world on scooters

[@natokbuzz965]

Would be great if i watch a Nanrobot d6+ REVIEW

[@Maddisondominick]

Hey can you make a video of the fastest high quality scooter with a removable battery for those who need that function for convenience... Please

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Great idea! Thank you.

[@MrRockZombi]

Waterproof?

[@nickventrice7776]

I'm gonna wait for the storm ltd. Which will be a lot more powerful. 84 volts.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Can't wait! I wish they would announce them closer to when they are released, so we wouldn't have to wait so long for them! -Paul

[@jessa.3857]

Same here! The Storm Ltd will be my next scooter.

[@fluffymat1]

Can anyone tell me if dualtron is better quality than Kaabo, stuck between the gt pro and the storm

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Slightly better overall quality Not by much

[@fluffymat1]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thanks

[@QQPP19]

how much does the swappable battery cost

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

It's not cheap. I hear it's around $1,500! -Paul

[@QQPP19]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide that's crazy.

[@MrHitler-u8u]

I am 13 5 foot 5 and will this scooter be too tall for me

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Slightly yes

[@roamereasy9737]

The battery pack should be the size of a notebook PC, can be put in the backpack to be recharged at home or in office.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

It definitely fits in my backpack. That's my backpack we show the battery coming out of in the video. It's on the heavy side though. Not very comfortable to have 30 lbs on your back for a long time. -Paul

[@roamereasy9737]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I wonder if they can design the deck to be "double deck"? So the riders can switch the battery packs around without "backpacking" them.

[@foam27]

How do you carry the 2nd battery? backpack? No lol.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Yes

[@foam27]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide ugh...no.

[@NicolasAndradeH]

No water proofing, not interested. Sold my mini already.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Yeah, that really surprised me. -Paul

[@NicolasAndradeH]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide They could sell a waterproofed eye controller, but haven't seen any and my city has been pouring non stop.

[@hi-tych]

I was gonna get the burn e.. idk now. I got time to think about it. Lol

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

All depends on what you like. The BURN-E is more of a grand tourer, where the Storm is much more in-your face. Both are fun. For longer rides the BURN-E is more comfortable to ride. For riding like a hooligan, the Storm is hard to beat. -Paul

[@hi-tych]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide oh ok. Thank you. Burn e it is then. Lol

[@vripiatbuzoi9188]

I don't see a compelling reason for the Storm over the Burn-e at the same price unless removable battery is really really important to you. The storm has outdated controllers that are jerky and uncontrollable (aka dangerous) giving you a false sense of speed but it's both slower on top and takeoff speed. Lower range. No head light. Hard to adjust height. Wonky rear foot rest that moves. Outdated stem clamping design with noise. Short stem. The Nami is better on all those fronts plus has modern 50Amp per motor sine wave controllers for putting that 72V power into the road rather than wheel spin. The controllers provide awesome throttle control on the turns plus a wide variety of adjust-ability like power allocation per motor. The Nami has a more modern platform when it comes to electronics.

[@jasontomica8938]

The problem with these scooters is along with my thunder that I just sold is that they're illegal and almost every place as soon as you get above 25 miles an hour you've got a serious problem so if you're hitting 5060 miles an hour that's a big ticket and who knows if they seize your vehicle this it's your vehicle this has happened already in California and New York and Florida in a few places and the UK scary times if you own a fast scooter you're starting to crack down a lot more

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

You've heard about a scooter seisure in California? Was it on the freeway? I've never heard about anything like that here. Good to know. -Paul

[@Laughsville-si6hf]

Why he did not mention the water resistance? (Hint - There isn't any)

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

You're right! The omission wasn't intentional though. I wouldn't ride the Storm in the rain even if it were IP rated though. Throttle response is too abrupt for rain riding. -Paul

[@dannydanny9875]

best of the best!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Wow thanks so much for the kind words! -Vosk

[@jbamerican_usnavy]

Can it be seated?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

There is a seat attachment usually for most of the Dualtron scooters. -Vosk

[@foam27]

I don't want to hear anymore about Dualtron until they put some sinewaves on them.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

That’s the word!

[@kevmack101]

3:35 Noted

[@Ww8.3]

Most people don’t care for going 86 miles in a car let alone a scooter 😅

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Even 43 miles in one go felt like alot! -Paul

[@1littlelee]

havent seen a rion yet have you!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

We have not tested any RION yet!

[@exklimexklim]

2:57 huge typo there :S

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Ack, missed that one. -Paul

[@stevmstng5165]

Dualtron needs to raise their handlebar height

[@santi8751]

Dualtron Victor review anytime soon!!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

We don't have one yet, but I think we'll be getting one. -Paul

[@tratzum]

These things don't seem safe. I had a cheap model in Korea that went 30 k/h and once my scooter went one way I went another. I can't imagine what would happen at 50mph. I want one.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

These are built very well!! -Vosk

[@pwj86772]

The forward and back stem movement is absolutely horrendous on the storm….i would avoid it all costs

[@HotSizzleTV_]

How much is this

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

It's $4,490 from Voro Motors. -Paul geni.us/DaYYI4?track=YT

[@HotSizzleTV_]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide oh dear god as much as a car what’s a good basic beginner scooter to start off with then I can upgrade it as I go I want one to be able to do rides cruise the beach go to the gym and grocery store like I wouldn’t mind spending maybe between 500 and $800 also for the range to I want to be able to make it go far in speed at least 20 miles an hour I was looking at a Segway

[@jacobshreves5594]

@@HotSizzleTV_ probably the Emove cruiser. Much cheaper like $1400 but very reliable

[@Nathan-is7li]

Riding this with another battery(heavy) on your back is sketchy..

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Backpack is mainly handy for carrying the battery upstairs to charge. Realistically, I'd want to rig something up to carry the spare directly on the scooter if possible. Hanging it on the base of the front stem would help with front end traction, but would definitely hurt braking performance, and slow down steering (slowing down steering might not be a bad thing) -Paul

[@speedforce131]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I've seen people attach trailers to the rear of the scooter so maybe that's the way to go.

[@benoit.gerin-lajoie]

And what is the longest range scooter you've tested so far ?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Dualtron Thunder 2 which was 59.5 miles

[@benoit.gerin-lajoie]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide But the Storm LTD goes beyond that !

[@exklimexklim]

The fact that the controller is located in the rear foot rest makes me a bit anxious…

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

It's pretty well protected from impact back there. I looped it doing a wheelie and the footrest dug into the ground pretty hard. It didn't damage the controller at all. -Paul

[@jasontomica8938]

86 mile range at 14mph on eco mode!!! Nobody wants to do 14mph for that long, even a few miles at that!!!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Yes 14mph is pretty difficult for long periods! Thanks for watching. -Vosk

[@deltasquad8817]

$4k is a car, wtf???? 😒😒😒

[@jordanfgfox7237]

Lol I rather have the scooter then a car ngl

[@fctryoffetsh39]

Don't matter they all have limiters and I can't get a straight answer

[@jordaneromosele7678]

Thunder 2

[@laryangel4082]

Wow

[@AlejandroMejia-uq4rs]

That's right you can make the best Lamborghini in scooter ever he can be the fastest the greatest you can go from from from point A to point b but if you don't have no seat what's the scooter with no seat you know it's just you know riding along standing the ride is going to be brutal that ride is going to be no how about the price how about the how about the seats what's can be into it you can put a a flash you can put a store me a scooter whatever but if you don't have seat is for nothing because I ride from from New York to Virginia or from Texas that's going to be a hell out of the drive so just remember that's my opinion how and what's the accessories including that nice seat so you can be you know if you're tired you can go alone if you if you're you know feeling like you understanding you can do whatever you wish so that's my opinion thank you so much bye-bye

[@jonathanramirez6184]

I can imagine carrying a big battery in your backpack, doesn’t sound fun 😢

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Depends if you really need it

[@groslait7814]

Good luck with that key hole, stupid position ,

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

It definitely makes the key vulnerable to bending if you leave the key in it. But if you take the key out it works well. Is that the downside you were thinking of, or is there another one? -Paul

[@vripiatbuzoi9188]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I think he's talking about getting dirt in the key hole since it is right where you put your feet. Yea that won't last. Dirt will eventually fill that entire key hole and your key won't go in any more.The other bad thing is that handle which is in the way of your toes shortening the deck even more. Handle should have been in the back or some how fold-able and retractable to be flush. And charge plugs should have been on the right since most people ride left foot front.

[@xlllllllllllllllllllllllllx]

430km?!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

You'd need 6 batteries to go that far, which would need a trailer, which would reduce range and probably require a 7th battery. :-) -Paul

[@muraterol5541]

please turkish subtitle 😞😞

[@eradicator27]

Shut up and take my money!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I think Voro still has them in stock! ;-) -Paul geni.us/DaYYI4?track=web

[@yohvh]

Nami ain't the king. Weped or hunter quad is. Order those.

[@yohvh]

Or rion

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

They might be. We'll never know for sure until they send us scooters to test. Hoping to get to test a Rion soon. -Paul

[@coop3014]

Jesus you could by a motorcycle for cheaper that blows all these scooters away by every metric.

[@vripiatbuzoi9188]

Yes but can you go on bike trails with a motorcycle, no. Scooter are still the most versatile because you can go anywhere: parks, trails (paved and unpaved), bike lanes, waking lanes, skate lanes, piers, streets.

[@jordanfgfox7237]

Don't forget about gas morticycle insurance also tax note

[@kennychan8901]

Lies... that shit wont hit no 86.. Not even the storm limited will hit 86 miles an hour. 62.. 63 at most and thats the storm limited..

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

86 mile battery range! Not MPH -Vosk

[@ДмитрийСумароков-з2в]

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