Minions got Slightly Nerfed - New Patch is still INCREDIBLY GOOD! [PoE 2]

[@GhazzyTV]

Note that the patch has not been released yet as of this moment, but we're expecting it to roll out any time this week. ~kikis

[@ImxxFuZe]

I can't wait for the checkpoint teleport, THE GAME'S GONNA BE SO MUCH BETTER WITH JUST THAT

[@damonnelson1678]

How will this not kill the summon build? its literally a 33 percent nerf

[@GhazzyTV]

@@damonnelson1678 Just simulated it on both titan low budget and infernalist high budget having 0 issues farming t16

[@damonnelson1678]

@@GhazzyTV I see your pastebin was updated .... are snipers better than arsonists now?

[@GhazzyTV]

@damonnelson1678 nope not even close imo but some people prefer them... Once IcyVeins have their tools ready I'll jave proper written guides that I can consistently keep up2date so I'll try to update the paste pastebins here till then but no promises

[@haroldoduarte1393]

Tbh I didn't think arsonists needed a nerf... I don't see them like "overpowered" the only reason people use them is cause everything else sux 100%.

[@sanisani]

All they accomplished is now arsonist feels worse and the other minions still feel bad, so now everyone using minions loses. When all they really had to do was just buff the worse minions to make them far more appealing, so that way everyone has more FUN.

[@Mod0Virus]

@@sanisani more fun and also can get the fuck away from the eyes breaking arsonist build.... cant seeeee shit and its absolutely painful to map with it just cuz of the red flash everywere on the screen lol

[@roddy864]

30% damage nerf to minion builds is not a little.

[@akaxjenkins]

arsonists are used and others aren't? ggg classic approach: nerf arsonists instead of improving the others

[@Filip_Agrippa]

Everyone does that for some reason, not just GGG. The same thing happened in Helldivers 2 and Space Marine 2.

[@InvalidDiv]

and warframe, and bdo, and …

[@gift160]

It's very Diablo like of them to nerf the only useful stuff and leave the useless stuff the way it is.

[@HayGurHayyy]

Ye this was so silly 😵

[@michaelgill9273]

The change to Skeletal Arsonist is a 29% increase in spirit. That's a 29% damage decrease for this minion build. It doesn't brick the build but it's a significant nerf. Not sure how this is "slightly nerfed."

[@AlucardNoir]

Wouldn't that be more like 25% loss since you'd lose like 1 out of 4 arsonists?

[@dr.morbius]

@@AlucardNoir Yes, ~25% less arsonists

[@michaelgill9273]

@AlucardNoir It depends on how much spirit a player has. Assuming all of their spirit is reserved (0 spirit to spare), 2 minions changes to 1, 3 to 2, 4 to 3, 5 to 3, 6 to 4, 7 to 5, 8 to 6, 9 to 6 or 7 (depending on gem level), and 10 to 7. 4 to 3 and 8 to 6 are the two 25%. Everything else is 28.5% to 50%.

[@CJ-ff1xq]

uhh this isn't accurate, firstly arsonists are not 100% of your damage. SRS and flamewall also does damage, so does burning effect, hellhound, warrior skeletons, etc.

[@michaelgill9273]

@@CJ-ff1xq Flamewall, Hellhound, and Summon Raging Spirits is a small percentage of the overall damage when compared to the minions. This build relies on minion damage nodes, not elemental damage so flamewall is primarily to proc srs, not do damage. The nerf is substantial.

[@damonnelson1678]

The slight increase is a 30 percent increase in cost

[@KillianBroadcast]

😢

[@taleofsonata1]

Minion build doesn't 1 shot boss, doesn't make boss trivial, has to do the actual mechanics. Better Nerf Minions.

[@Luke973T]

Minions are getting another support gem to buff them overall so people aren't just using arsonists. Me personally i use snipers and do just fine.

[@taleofsonata1]

@@Luke973T Right now there's barely any diversity when it comes to minion build, there's no poison magic to support archer skeletons, there's no rage/bleed build to support ravagers, there's no ice or lightning to buff the mage skeletons.

[@Luke973T]

@@taleofsonata1 I'm not understanding. You mean you can't use ice or lightning yourself? What else should poison be doing? I put corrosion on it for poison and armor break and my hellhound ignites the gas. I haven't unlocked lightning mages yet...the ice mages freeze on command...i run ice wall so they can help me chill and freeze more often once I get one more higher level skill gem.

[@shadowchocolate514]

@@Luke973T yeah now the whole class is dead

[@taleofsonata1]

@@Luke973T What I mean there's no way to empower Storm and Frost Sekeleton, there's no Lightning wall for Storm skeleton, we can't use Herald of Ice/Fire/Lightning to buff them, There's no minion magnitude to really abuse shock,chill,freeze. It's very lackluster.

[@adkwach]

Minions need phasing or something and fix so they dont stuck all the time (reduced character size like for players?) My skeletal reaver's cant attack in narrow areas. 1 or 2 are attacking and rest of them are standing in line. They can't even hit some bosses or nearby enemies. They just standing . Need more melee range I was hoping for some improvements this year but well... Time to reroll to clear all this bad layout's comfortable

[@lootmaster1337]

same for flicker please, the amount of times i got stuck on a table and lost 7 charges instant is dissapointing. Wouldn't mind giving minions some better ai too

[@witpickles]

I can't imagine GGG won't eventually address these before release. I swapped off my reaver build due to this reason. SRS completely bypasses this, and the Arsonists don't have as many issues with this due to the ranged attack. I wanted to play a phys to chaos minion army. It was viable but too clunky right now.

[@GvuidoJkee]

i was saying the same on first zbt survey, they dont care, enjoy asian goyslop in the future

[@witpickles]

@GvuidoJkee very fe dev groups care more than GGG. Your priorities aren't the same as the dev teams. You are focused one experience, while they focus on millions. They still have a game to finish. It's very clearly only about 40% released. Be patient.

[@Khaos_1325]

I can see Snipers with poison taking over especially with the new gem Bidding that increases minion active skill damage. Feels a bit like going from being forced into one minion type to another, I would much rather see the other minions buffed so we can have something that isn't firewall/srs dependent.

[@AndersonMarzani1]

Just wish they did something about the flying boss from trial of chaos... I've been constantly getting killed from outside the screen without any visual warning

[@RegnokkOSRS]

skill issue

[@banqsterz8160]

There's 2, which one? If it's the bird, understandable, he is really cheesy. If it's the chimera, actual skill issue it is by far the easiest one

[@SquidlyFishBeans]

Arsonist patch isnt bad but the other mages need buffs for sure especially arc and all melee need phasing.

[@adkwach]

Ye melee standing in line in narrow maps. They can't even hit some big bosses near them like their melee range is too low and they blocking each other

[@Aijendo]

-25% Dmg isnt bad?

[@Frolkinator]

All player-spawned things need phasing, i get bodyblocked on my monk by my own Tempest Bell!

[@Dukefist]

@@Aijendo get used to minions getting shit on, it's quite common.

[@Aijendo]

@@Dukefist I know its GGG, but even after 12 years of playing, i still not get used to it, hope dies at the end.

[@Leywos]

Third nerf for your witch minion build and we continue to see sorceress, monk or ranger obliterate boss in 5sec but it's seemed ok

[@jakeb_91]

Probably just nerfing it cause of the ridiculous amount of people playing those skills. What they don’t realize is there really isn’t another way to play summons, not because they are that strong but just because they kneecapped variety so much. Everyone not following a guide just ends up with srs firewall arsonists.

[@Luftgitarrenprofi]

Next to every ascendancy has some ways to delete bosses. Endgame bosses generally have very low HP.

[@kaly8329]

Dw with the chain frost nerf the monk is getting a nerf too. Monk relies on that freeze CC to do dmg afterall.

[@thibaultassierdepompignan4311]

Exactly, i did m'y run to endgame without watching anything, opened some videos After, and saw that i was doing everything thé same as everyone. Wasnt too surprise cause it was thé best we could do anyway

[@shadearca]

​@@kaly8329the monk is not really nerfed. Most bosses die during the first freeze which is not affected by the nerf

[@MrYJX559]

They need to introduce a skill that allows us to summon minions instead of waiting 8 seconds for them to revive.

[@Luke973T]

Healer mages and revive faster nodes on the passive tree?

[@thibaultassierdepompignan4311]

We have little to non choice on minions and they are nerfing the only good one. Melee minions are actually bad cause bodyblock and no aoe damage (good for bosses and that's it). I don't really understand the thought process of it. I also don't like the state of command skills, they are mostly either clunky or Bad or both. Still love playing minions tho

[@brianh2287]

The other summons need buffs. I hope they don't keep nerfing arsonists until they are as bad as the other mages.

[@VelvetSky1102]

we need Spirit clusters on passive tree

[@Fiercehowler]

ye like in poe1 you had aura reservation nodes and reservation costs reductions here you just have spirit and thats it :D

[@sir_quirkus7206]

That would be sweet

[@giogomes501]

no god plz no

[@CalmTempest]

There are reduced reservation cost nodes, and you can get spirit from chest, amulet, and maybe jewels too? Not too sure on the jewels

[@justjay3750]

we need alot of things on the tree

[@DocDictator]

So the Skeletal Storm debuff is going down, the Frost Mage CC chain is going down and the Arsonist DPS is going down (higer spirit cost = less arsonists = less DPS)

[@darkwinter8]

I still find it ridiculous GGG has spent more time nerfing skills than fixing bugs. The Blackjaw fight is still bugged and the 35% "fix" to the Honour meter is mediocre.

[@Mamiya645]

Even before this patch I was not feeling the arsonists, maybe it's my playstyle? I roll with archers instead and put the poison arrow on my right-click, a lot of cloud detonations and corpse detonations too. With them I can disregard the garbage pathing and minions blocking each other or flat out not going through a doorway wide enough to fit your mom :(

[@sadistical5787]

Same. I use this with crit and things melt.

[@Lagalpb]

Archers are really strong with the poison arrows and it will get stronger with the bidding support gem.

[@claytonroberson4813]

You probably haven't gotten to maps then huh

[@Mamiya645]

@@claytonroberson4813 Rolling T4 maps and staying out of trouble with a MoM build and midnight braid, got no complaints about DPS or survivability. I'd hate to be stuck with minions that required LOS or melee with the way it all works now, even with the current setup I get pissed off :/

[@SoulxWeaver]

Minions are especially tilting because they can’t follow you and despawn every 5s when you get out of range so you’re by yourself for ~5secs

[@typicalgymrat22]

no minion pathing changes makes me sadge

[@Liratan]

The true problem with these kinds of nerfs is as someone in my situation where I'm super kitted out with 13 almost 14 arsonists and only missing 1 + to gems on my sceptre these kinds of nerfs will be fine but for the normal people out there that maybe don't have over 1K ex in their builds this might make the mid game a lot more annoying

[@Scorptice]

minions cant go through doors cant clear a breachstone better reduce arsonists xD

[@OGBirdman1016]

I have 15 arsonists right now. I lose 4 with this patch. That's a pretty big loss imo.

[@akaxjenkins]

i really hope they buff warriors and zombies. One does no damage, the other is stupidly slow, is not permanent AND requires a corpse to summon

[@thibaultassierdepompignan4311]

Or power charges LOL

[@michaeleerdmans3500]

@@thibaultassierdepompignan4311 is that pact skill the only one on occultist that gives power charges?

[@Frozen_Hope]

I mean, this is cool and all, but still no mention of spectres which makes me writhe in agony, I just want my funny ghost bois GGG

[@TomJakobW]

I feel that

[@SarusMindfury]

My last 3 deaths where 2 volatile cristals and 1 idk what after a rare died and i ran, then when to loot and something exploded. Maybe we keep the arsonists for mapping and use Snipers for Bossing?

[@Filip_Agrippa]

When do you think we'll be able to use minions in Demon Form?

[@worse9347]

In our dreams it seems, as they made it so our weapons don't affect our stats in demon form and unsummons all minions you lose because of it. I really wanted to be a demon form minion build witch as I thought it would be so cool. Only to find out now that it was nothing but a cool dream I had and GGG decided otherwise to allow us to do that

[@nonyabisness6306]

mustache is fine officer.

[@TubeThony]

what is frustrating for me is the chaos trial for 3rd ascending: recurrent crash occurring when I have to find small cores.... really hope it'll be adressed

[@Lt_Dredge]

Minions get stuck on terrain, get stuck on objects, get stuck on each-other... they attack whatever they want to, get obliterated by Boss AoE mechanics with full resistances but yea let's nerf them.

[@shinomiya8035]

those narrows maps smh like Towers

[@El_Cattivo1988]

It's just appropriate. Wayfinding will also be improved.

[@Liratan]

I'm really hoping they fix that and I'll actually try out skeletal reavers they look really interesting but I'm annoyed by small hallways enough as it is with ranged minions

[@tz496]

@@Liratan That'd be great, meanwhile i picked up a projectile spell and order my minions to stay back while pulling if i happen to be in a larger room then the small hallways ahead to at least partially mitigate this oversight :)

[@Liratan]

@@tz496 I've for the most part just got to the point where I'm so tanky that I can just roll my way through weapon swap to unsummon my minions and than swap back and be fine waiting the 4-5 seconds till they respawn in the room. That and I have a 5L unearth that's kind of strong along with SRS

[@jconnor609]

been playing the frost mages with eye of winter and its feeling pretty good, only on t5 maps but progressing decently so far

[@theroyalcam]

instead of reducing the other minions spirit cost they increase arsonist XDDD and no changes to minion ai. also no mention of ancient aegis skill node still not working. im glad i quit yesterday, what a joke of a game

[@xRx39]

I wanna play skeletal mages but idk how to make them clear well

[@witpickles]

The frost? You're best to boost the auto attacks with scattershot or chain, cold pen, etc. im sure there's good damage sups for cold. They don't do physical to cold conversion like Arsonists phys to fire. I would probably run brutes or Arsonists with cold exposure support.

[@alexmurador]

One question about infernalist minions. I see ppl getting the Beidat’s Gaze or Hand ascendancies…, why exactly? I May be wrong and we may have a reason, but What I see is we are loosing more hp than we are getting mana / ES, making us less tanky overall…. Wouldnt be better if we get 2 small nodes of 3% hp or 1 3% hp and 1 4% mana?

[@nightyonetwothree]

mana can be possibly good for archmage+mom builds, while easier to regenerate and provide extra damage. As for hp - it for sure loss in survivability. es can be benefitical if you have 100%+ bonus increase to es. Overwise it's a loss. SO it can be benefitical if you go heavy into es. Also +grim feast. +spirit is the only way to get it besides items.

[@tiawen1945]

Spirit is rare on equipment only scepter amulet chest and 1 shield has it. As for shield if you use shield you are running the aura that allows you to double your shield wich in turn doubles the benefit. I dont suggest the shield but definitly the spirit.

[@kamshik]

Essentially it's scaling. You get 200 flat ES for example, but with your passive tree +% nodes it actually becomes 1000.

[@alexmurador]

Thx for the answers

[@Thor_Asgard_]

and they didn't fix Minion pathfinding

[@shmooters5599]

Wish they would buff the other summons rather than nerfing arsonists. As is, I’m probably just going to keep running them, just less quantity. Because the other summons are still all way too overcosted.

[@chAbocs]

can you make an updated build guide for infernal minion build? 😅

[@shanebovell6733]

It is hilarious to me how they can always find time to nerf strong builds BEFORE finding time to raise others up even though they have finally addressed the issue that too many skills are underperforming which creates an illusion of choice. This is the EXACT same issue they have had in PoE 1 and they are approaching it the EXACT same way as PoE 1. I have no idea why a different approach couldn't be employed.

[@TomJakobW]

Maybe because they are about to go into multiple week-long holidays and nerfing can’t break much, while a (potentially overtuned or broken) buff or rework now could shatter the economy, leaderboard and meta. It really isn’t that hard to comprehend…

[@shanebovell6733]

@@TomJakobW It is because this early access, not launch where those things are sacrosanct.

[@damonnelson1678]

@@TomJakobW why nerf arsonists when warcry warrior is op la is op spark is op etc plenty of other builds are way stronger than minions

[@zdarbluelight5214]

i went from 17 arso ro 13. is it what we call slight decrease ?

[@fast1nakus]

half an hour before the patch I finally got my 3rd ascendancy and went from 9 to 12 arsonists. 30 min later I had 9 again. and minus 25% life. cool.

[@Erdbeerenserver]

My Arsonists got nerfed, what can I try now? I have basic spirit and +minion gear but not many EX to work with

[@Zerkerber_kek]

has there been any approach to scale arsonists command skill rather than auto attack? you can summon lower lvl srs's just bellow their threshold and explode them right away. its probably ass for clearing but could be stronger for melting down a boss?

[@Lagalpb]

Bidding support is a buff to snipers. Because they are buffing the command ability instead of the whole skeleton, I will guess the buff is around 30-35%. Currently, the strongest minion command we have is the poison arrow. If you look in the description, nothing comes close to that damage. Now the only problem is that they use the ability one at a time, so if you have more than 4, its technically a waste of potential because you don't rotate fast enough. What I been doing? I been using 2 of them just so I can do some spike damage and with the arsonist increased cost (and sniper reduce 10% once I upgrade them) it will make more sense or me to keep 2 or maybe 3 archers. Another thing people are ignoring is adding 2 to 3 brutes to your frontline. 25% gain damage as fire, 30% gain as fire against Ignited, chaos % from the skill tree, and fully breaking armor on full stun and they are just as good with clearing. Their shockwave will delete anything around them, and those guys will usually start hitting things before your arsonist get to shoot. I'm aware its split damage but I'm reducing the monsters fire resistance a lot and the physical amount don't get split as all damage is just gained, they also fully benefit from the broken armor.

[@gift160]

I tried it but my brutes get stuck on walls and doorways. Even the reavers also get stuck. I tried with the snipers as well but my arsonists were dealing the damage instead. But best believe snipers will be nerfed next.

[@Lagalpb]

@gift160 yes, melee have a big problem getting stuck

[@Tibasu]

Would be interested in a video about your thoughts on each minion and what you think they need to be better if lacking

[@Sophrael]

Ah the classic, instead of buffing the other mages, we nerf the only ones in use. I bow my head to a never changing company policy.

[@SirNoNever]

I switched to sorc yestarday there is no reason to play witch summoner when your map cleaning speed cant match sorcs. you just feel like you are following them while they clear the map. till endgame witch is allright but in endgame its sucks. Who had cleared t10-12 maps would understand me. Also having less minions is not just dps nerf its also survivability since your minions also has hp they also tank some damage since some enemies will agro to minions instead of you when you have less of them you will be even more nerfed and your minions will die faster since there is less targets and less hp pool. With the other problems minions already have. If you are planing to play the game i dont suggest playing summoner anymore. Even Ghazzy trying different classes now making titan summoner etc. As i said if you are planing to play the game till endgame you can play witch but if you want to continue with endgame just switch to some other class

[@joeparas]

Instead of Snipers, could you maybe even run another Storm Mage to up the frequency of of proccing Shock for Stormfire stuff?

[@jrkessinger76]

it just rolled out and its barely a nerf. I only lost one arsonist. They did break the minions though and now no matter what i do minions from sceptres wont spawn

[@goldenehimbeere]

Had the same bug i still had my old arsonist number locked in after i reduced it to the current number of arsonists the minions came back

[@jrkessinger76]

@ i fixed it by unequipping my sceptre and all minion skill gems then when i put everything back on it worked fine. The overlay up top shows that i have 3 hounds for some reason but all my minions are working properly now. Im sure that reset the arsonist number so your fix is probably the faster route.

[@jamesyeagerjr3996]

So now witches are stuck with only enough spirit for 1 minion until the near end of act 1 excluding the scepter. You don't get any items with spirit until into act 2, and it takes multiple items to get enough spirit to even add one minion. My scepter adds 35%, but that equates to 35 spirit. If all minions are 65 spirit each?!?!?!

[@Luke973T]

Level up your minion skill gems and the spirit cost goes down. My arsonists gem is level X and i have 3 of them...1 or 2 spirit from being able to get 4. 60 of my spirit goes to srs and another skill...and i have my hellhound which is free. My scepter is the only gear that grants spirit and i have 60 spirit from king of the rust and then the bog witch in act 3.

[@haroldoduarte1393]

@@Luke973T that's just what he said... he's talking about act1 and 2. Starting the game with minions will be even worse than before.

[@Luke973T]

@@haroldoduarte1393 only the arsonist got affected by the patch though.

[@haroldoduarte1393]

@@Luke973T lmao true... nvm XD

[@Braddaddyx]

Does anybody know when this patch is going to be released? I can not see any date in the patch notes. Ty

[@edwinortiz4421]

Sometime during the week. If I had to bet maybe Wednesday that will give them 2 days to find any hot fixes necessary

[@Braddaddyx]

@@edwinortiz4421 Thanks a lot for your guess!

[@TheHiveMecha]

My skele-scorps that I get from corpses using Unearth plus the skeletal archers along with Contagion when it upgrades to spreading to nearby mobs was making me absolutely DESTROY everything in my path BIG DAM... Then I enter a boss arena and no corpses therefore no skele-scorp minions and boss kills skeleton minions (warriors or archers) by simply breathing on them... Minion Build Witch becomes entirely useless. Can anyone please explain this bullshit to me???

[@elric_kvothe]

I'm confused, how is the Skeleton Arsonists nerf not going to lower damage? Isn't a big chunk of that build's damage from the Skeleton Arsonists? Going from 30 to 39 spirit cost is an almost 30% increase. It effectively will reduce my 8 Skeleton Arsonists down to 5 (I still use a Skeleton Cleric instead of a 9th Arsonist). It is getting tiring that they nerf the build every couple of days. First they nerfed SRS to only spawn max 5 spirits instead of 10, then they nerfed Grim Feast so we couldn't build energy shield for defense, now they nerf arsonists? That build is fun to play, but it is nowhere near the OP builds out there for other classes that can nuke a boss down in 2-3 seconds. I fully expect balance changes in Early Access, but the amount of nerfs and how fast everything is nerfed is getting frustrating.

[@GhazzyTV]

@elric_kvothe what i meant was that we do such absurd amounts of dmg that the nerf won't be very noticeable in the end. I tested both a low budget titan and high budget infernalist vs t16 juiced content with 2 fewer arsonists and it was not much of a difference in the end. A difference yes but not enough to impact the build much due to the nature of their ai and game design of outrunning them making them die xd

[@elric_kvothe]

@GhazzyTV Fair enough. Thanks for testing that out!

[@wvutrip3931]

It’s not that bad. Other mages need a buff though. This won’t change the meta just make the meta slightly worse.

[@Luftgitarrenprofi]

I honestly think they shouldn't touch any player sided balancing or even hotfixes and instead put their focus on the technical issues first. Let people have fun with the broken stuff while they fix the basics. Like, instead of nerfing arsonists, fix specters. Fix ultimatum. Make SSF and loot filters available on console etc. There's so many basic things wrong with the game. Balancing shouldn't even be considered until most of it is fixed. Way too many resources wasted on balancing of which much probably will be negated by prioritizing technical issues first.

[@kamshik]

balancing is an iterative process. You can't balance everything at once, you need a feedback loop: balance->result->balance->result. Also, there are different teams that work on these issues. Even if they stop balancing everything, these devs wouldn't be able to fix your console shit.

[@animaanalysis]

⁠@@kamshik”balancing is an iterative process,” GGG: literally only does balance passes in between leagues in PoE1 by gathering info and feedback for the entire league and then doing a large balance pass. Lmfaoroflmaolololol. God this community is stupid. You’re a prime example.

[@Luke973T]

Or how about the devs that work on game balance continue to do their own jobs...we dont need them fixing bugs ect.

[@WyMustIGo]

They need to fix the bugs, especially the ones that crash the game! That needs to be 100% of the priority, NOT class balance.

[@knee-chan6970]

thats odd (Playing on Pc) i haven't encountered any crash related bug throughout my gameplay does it happen randomly or it'll just crush in a specific scenario?

[@crokuslorn3118]

They probably are working on those, balancing is just alot quicker to do, some of these are as simple as changing a single number

[@adonisflos]

The people that works on balancing and the ones that work on fixing crashes are not the same. It's like telling an audio engineer to sing a song.

[@WyMustIGo]

@@crokuslorn3118 I was a developer for 40 years, and you ALWAYS prioritize crashes over anything else.

[@onlineperson1144]

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[@hanarielgodlike9283]

Jokes on you, already using snipers since the begining

[@sorbakolock]

it would be nice with the spirit increase of our lovely arsonist to also add a quality bonus like the rest of the skill minion gems :)

[@VyssAlare]

There is a quality bonus, it's just trash. It's for the minion command itself.

[@Zibzarab]

Ghazzy looks like he wants to make me an offer I cannot decline.

[@salaj662]

U gay move along

[@JonUKcitizen101]

Should have raised arsonist and lowered others to half of difference. Also give us golems and spectres. Melee minions need to learn how to use doors. Also demon form gimps minions.

[@saberlily9562]

where is the outro?

[@jakkrit6910]

the funny part is there is no change to ultimatum..

[@Scorptice]

you will have even worse clear with snipers but your boss dmg will be very big

[@DeDyson]

Never disrepect the mustache!

[@-ShinTV-]

I think the mustache looks good on you!

[@BLTwasTaken]

I love breach but my pc cannot handle that much on mob density.. :(

[@King-gh4jj]

already using sipers and 1 brute to tank and stun bosses, way ahead of ya

[@plsdont7515]

Video starts at 7:07

[@timmyb3178]

This is rough, rn im very Spirit limited and this'll make it worse dayum

[@whatthe9706]

Glad i rarely ever used arsonist.

[@guffi00]

You lowkey turning into Omni-Man

[@RhebelGaming]

I went from blasting in act 2 to unplayable

[@oChrimi]

At the moment theyre going to fix the melee minions... im going to switch instantly to reavers D:

[@akaxjenkins]

melee minions(except raging spirits) block each other and can't fight well due to them being too slow. PoE 1 has minions being so fast it isn't so noticeable but here it's terrible. 2 can get stuck on a doorway and just stand there blocking the rest

[@akaxjenkins]

this also happens with ranged minions but at least those can attack from afar

[@oChrimi]

Y its a known issue for GGG :D ​@@akaxjenkins

[@Curlyheadrae24]

@@akaxjenkinsyou can just weapon swap to remove your minions, enter the room then swap again and all your minions will respawn

[@oChrimi]

@@Curlyheadrae24 pssst dont tell him the moves :D

[@yaneumun]

Other minion skills suck balls compared to arsonist 😂

[@TomJakobW]

Honestly, you’re pulling that beard off mighty well! 😅

[@Snarbalax]

Thanks guys. You crow about how arsonists are soooo much better than all the other minions and my build that's still in yellow maps takes a 20% ding it didn't need to. AND I'm still not going to use the other minions.

[@HayGurHayyy]

This made me quit my minion. Instead of buffing they nerf😂

[@luciandavid1657]

There’s some dirt on your upper lip

[@Evilewokz]

Eh. Planned to run mages as well anyway. Running 10 arsonists currently. 6 and 3-4 mages would be better

[@cadeb11]

Kept trials the same bs difficulty and nerfed my build. Fk it I’m done

[@n2hee]

reaver+sniper is good!

[@MrYJX559]

As long as they don't nerf the dmg of arsonist, it's still very strong.

[@Aijendo]

Its -25% dmg nerf , I have 12 and next patch i have only 9 = -25%

[@kaly8329]

From the looks of it its the dps being nerfed not the dmg potency.

[@michisauer]

The nerf is highly dependent of how many you could fit before... I can fit 6 right now and it will be 4 after patch.. this is 33% nerf. Well... So we go back to exploding the sniper-clouds xD

[@damonnelson1678]

@@kaly8329 wdym potency? the number of minions is directly related to your damage?

[@zanaer2919]

@@damonnelson1678 yes 2 minions do more than 1

[@darktower74]

Nah, you don't look like a clown with your moustache. Maybe a strongman from the 1800s, or a French Resistance fighter from WW2, but like hats, you own a 'stache and maintain it. They look better on people who are dignified. You seem to have a lot of integrity and class, so do what you like. Great guides by the way. I did notice one thing about my minion build though. Still only lvl 46, but I was using an omen sceptre to boost the crit of my minions and it seemed better than the rattling sceptre with its measly skeletal warriors. Do you ever get more than two skeletal warriors? Is my gem not a high enough level? Better to have 5 or 6 arsonists with crit and a firedog than 4 with two mediocre skeletal warriors, a firedog, and no or less crit? I tried to get numbers to compare but I'm not sure if numbers change WHILE you're in combat and haven't measured well.

[@malekalghamdi1851]

Melee fun detected immediately nerfed

[@devilgrass310]

from 15 to 11 arsonists. thats not slight

[@largekoi]

Comments gonna fly by no one will know I think ghazzy is one fine pappuccino ☺️

[@kriskrycia1279]

Nearly 30% nerf and it does not affect minions ... what a clown!!

[@Aijendo]

Lvl 18 Arsonist atm able to summon 12 of them, next patch will be only 9 = *-25% Dmg* , thx GGG.

[@subzero308]

Yea F this game. I only cared about playing full minions and the minions r garbage. This game was extremely over hyped.

[@AllEy3s0nMe]

@@subzero308 Cry more kiddo

[@CIII__]

@@subzero308what a baby

[@kolgrim841]

My Monk first 3 acts did in about 5h and my arsonist witch did the same in nearly half of that time.... Did u really need to cry so much? 😂😂😂

[@dogs-game-too]

Give us the patch NAO lol

[@zonn6469]

I will go from 20 to 14. That's a 30% "slight nerf" since when is 30% considered slight? GGG being heavy handed is getting anoyying

[@Gourmet_Sekai]

bro you have no say in this. you go from 20 you wrote?? haha there is no struggle for you. ppl who go from 10 to 6 or 7 they are struggling or ppl who did act 1 and cant summon a low tier arsonist because they only have 30 spirit. they struggle. you are fine bro dont worry

[@zonn6469]

@KeeY88 you're acting as if t16 isn't a struggle.....

[@alessandrobelli]

I don't understand how they don't nerf builds that instakill act bosses but HEY, let's nerf an already nerfed build which even before the first nerf wasn't as overpowered as some other current builds. Angry rant from minion enjoyer

[@gift160]

Snipers will get nerfed next until minion builds are no more. Frost mage costs too much, they're very slow and don't do enough damage. Lightning mages are even worst and can't use their skills unless a minion dies. Reavers get stuck on door and they do ok damage unless you make them go berserk then they die and the brutes are terribly slow and weak for their cost, and they definitely cannot get through doors. But their move was to nerf the useful minions. That's very Diablo like of them.

[@EAZUP]

We have BuGs in the game that are game breaking. And all people care about is if they got nerfed or not. This diablo like community is weird.

[@MoZz..]

i think its fine, i have 11 minions right now, and then ill have 10 now? think its fine, with the other nerfs on enemies and so on. Again other builds could be just as good now, which is even better overall. :)

[@zonn6469]

I have 20 arsonists and if i throw on the equal level gem for the mage I can only have 14. It's a 30% nerf

[@damonnelson1678]

@@zonn6469 how do you have 20 of them wtf

[@onlineperson1144]

Melee minions still won't be good

[@Sjklnnn]

Shkeema

[@montanaSD]

1 death maps is stupid. Exp loss is stupid. They are just unfun mechanics that no one likes or asked for.

[@Lohmatiyshmel]

Instead of making other skills stronger or at least not bad they nefr literally only playable minion skill. Looks like I don't understand something

[@Curlyheadrae24]

You crazy if you think arsonist is the only good minion build, you must haven’t seen the reaver build

[@openingthemic3716]

@@Curlyheadrae24 Whats good about the reaver build? The pathing getting stuck? The only boss killing potential other classes have better?

[@Curlyheadrae24]

@@openingthemic3716 it’s a good minion build, it shreds endgame just like arsonist. All minions get stuck even arsonist, not hard to weapon swap, enter the room then swap back to your scepter to spawn them in the room. Minions getting stuck is a known issue for the devs. That’s the thing, that’s exactly why the devs “what makes something overpowered? When a build performs so well that people think it’s the only viable build and don’t want to play anything else” this is the exact reason why. People only see srs arsonist cause all the YT’rs are running that build and then everyone thinks that’s the only good build. Reavers is a solid A class build, even the brute build is good cause they stun bosses over and over.

[@openingthemic3716]

@@Curlyheadrae24 I actually built arsonists and srs without a YT build- And my build is all my own build without following anything. To touch base on your points, while valid- They aren't really fixing the overarching issue of other class choices just being 100% better. The spirit nerf imo isn't the answer, I felt the summoner more as a jack of all trades master of none- with less spirit your a none of all trades. The dmg nerf is astronomical in taken with also the consideration less spirit is less tankiness as our minions tank for us(srs do not) Archers are just as good, and are now going to be the new bread and butter of summoner. We really should be looking at making other minions useable, and a 60spirit brute is not useable.- With or without melee build. Arsonists are phys dmg btw with fire conditionals thus the firewall. We were all taught to go this build by using the only available synergy we had. could offer more

[@openingthemic3716]

Mind you, guess the only synergy yet again when archers are used? You guessed it- Firewall. I'm wondering what synergy you have found with reavers? Link me this reaver build please- Because from them wanting to have synergies on their game design we are left with none or few.

[@hamburger9480]

So instead of DECREASING spirit cost to other minions, they INCREASE arsonists to nerf summoners as a whole. Nice job GGG

[@FrexieFrex]

nice one!

[@tacticalae95]

How about instead of nerfing what people use, buff what people dont use.

[@kamshik]

thats how you get 1 gazillion d4 dmg.

[@ANDELE3025]

@@kamshik No, the 6 way path of "more" modifiers and enabling a elemental to other elemental to crit to dot to burst damage of the original element converted to the new element that can crit on death is how you get quadzillions of damage. Making skills baseline good and minimizing modifier multi-dipping is how you avoid damage bloat because having a good baseline is what allows you to balance numbers in the first place.

[@Dukefist]

that's not how GGG do things.

[@kamshik]

@@ANDELE3025 generally, if one skill is preferred over numerous others of the same type, then it's highly likely that you need to nerf it instead of buffing the rest, especially when it does insane dmg like the arsonist currently do. Granted, the other skills have things that need changing too, like the bodyblocking.

[@froman1522]

They literally did this in the patch notes, are you dumb?

[@RelaxedpiperYoutube]

I’m done with POE2 my already under geared character just got worse. I’m tried of re-rolling a character I didn’t even get to finished.