NEW Death Guard vs Blood Angels Warhammer 40k Battle Report - Codex First Impressions

[@miniwargaming]

ARMY LISTS: DEATH GUARD ARMY LIST: Mortarion - 490 Pts Death Guard Daemon Prince - Sword, Wings - 185 Pts RELIC: Warp Insect Hive Malignant Plague Caster - Bolt Pistol - 95 Pts RELIC(-1CP) - Plague of Glothila 10x Plague Marines - 2x Blight Launcher, 2x Plasma, Power Fist - 260 pts 10x Poxwalkers - 50 pts 10x Poxwalkers - 50 pts 5x Blightlord Terminators - Plague Spewer, Flail of Corruption, Combi-Flamer - 215 Pts Biologus Putrifier - 65 Pts Helbrute - Heavy Flamer, Multimelta - 130 Pts 5x Chaos Spawn - 115 Pts (-2CP Grandfatherly Influence) Feotid Bloat-Drone - Fleshmower - 135 Pts Feotid Bloat-Drone - Fleshmower - 135 Pts Miasmic Malignifier - 75 Pts BLOOD ANGEL ARMY LIST: ++ Battalion Detachment -3CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Blood Angels) [103 PL, 1,995pts, -3CP] ++ + Configuration [-3CP] + **Chapter Selection**: Blood Angels Detachment Command Cost [-3CP] + HQ [17 PL, 325pts] + Commander Dante [9 PL, 175pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Inferno pistol, The Axe Mortalis Librarian Dreadnought [8 PL, 150pts]: Furioso fist, Furioso force halberd, Smite, Storm bolter + Troops [20 PL, 430pts] + Tactical Squad [5 PL, 110pts] . 3x Space Marine [54pts]: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Boltgun, 3x Frag & Krak grenades . Space Marine Sergeant [28pts]: Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Frag & Krak grenades, Hand Flamer [5pts], Power sword [5pts] . Space Marine w/Special Weapon [28pts]: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Meltagun [10pts] Tactical Squad [5 PL, 110pts] . 3x Space Marine [54pts]: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Boltgun, 3x Frag & Krak grenades . Space Marine Sergeant [28pts]: Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Frag & Krak grenades, Hand Flamer [5pts], Power sword [5pts] . Space Marine w/Special Weapon [28pts]: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Meltagun [10pts] Tactical Squad [5 PL, 110pts] . 3x Space Marine [54pts]: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Boltgun, 3x Frag & Krak grenades . Space Marine Sergeant [28pts]: Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Frag & Krak grenades, Hand Flamer [5pts], Power sword [5pts] . Space Marine w/Special Weapon [28pts]: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Meltagun [10pts] Tactical Squad [5 PL, 100pts] . 4x Space Marine [72pts]: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Boltgun, 4x Frag & Krak grenades . Space Marine Sergeant [28pts]: Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Frag & Krak grenades, Hand Flamer [5pts], Power sword [5pts] + Elites [42 PL, 795pts] + Death Company Marines [16 PL, 270pts]: Jump Pack [2 PL, 20pts] . Death Company Marine [37pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Thunder hammer [15pts] . Death Company Marine [37pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Thunder hammer [15pts] . Death Company Marine [22pts]: Frag & Krak grenades . . Bolt pistol and chainsword: Astartes Chainsword, Bolt pistol . Death Company Marine [22pts]: Frag & Krak grenades . . Bolt pistol and chainsword: Astartes Chainsword, Bolt pistol . Death Company Marine [22pts]: Frag & Krak grenades . . Bolt pistol and chainsword: Astartes Chainsword, Bolt pistol . Death Company Marine [22pts]: Frag & Krak grenades . . Bolt pistol and chainsword: Astartes Chainsword, Bolt pistol . Death Company Marine [22pts]: Frag & Krak grenades . . Bolt pistol and chainsword: Astartes Chainsword, Bolt pistol . Death Company Marine [22pts]: Frag & Krak grenades . . Bolt pistol and chainsword: Astartes Chainsword, Bolt pistol . Death Company Marine [22pts]: Frag & Krak grenades . . Bolt pistol and chainsword: Astartes Chainsword, Bolt pistol . Death Company Marine [22pts]: Frag & Krak grenades . . Bolt pistol and chainsword: Astartes Chainsword, Bolt pistol Sanguinary Guard [17 PL, 310pts] . Sanguinary Guard [30pts]: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe, Frag & Krak grenades . Sanguinary Guard [30pts]: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe, Frag & Krak grenades . Sanguinary Guard [30pts]: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe, Frag & Krak grenades . Sanguinary Guard [30pts]: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword, Frag & Krak grenades . Sanguinary Guard [40pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma pistol [5pts], Power fist [5pts] . Sanguinary Guard [30pts]: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword, Frag & Krak grenades . Sanguinary Guard [30pts]: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword, Frag & Krak grenades . Sanguinary Guard [30pts]: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword, Frag & Krak grenades . Sanguinary Guard [30pts]: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword, Frag & Krak grenades . Sanguinary Guard [30pts]: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword, Frag & Krak grenades Terminator Assault Squad [9 PL, 215pts] . Assault Terminator Sergeant [43pts] . . Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield [10pts]: Storm shield, Thunder hammer [10pts] . 4x Assault Terminator w/THSS [172pts]: 4x Storm shield, 4x Thunder hammer [40pts] + Fast Attack [12 PL, 235pts] + Assault Squad [12 PL, 235pts]: Jump Pack [2 PL, 20pts] . 7x Space Marine [126pts]: 7x Astartes Chainsword, 7x Bolt pistol, 7x Frag & Krak grenades . Space Marine Sergeant [33pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Inferno pistol [5pts], Power fist [10pts] . Space Marine w/Special Weapon [28pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Meltagun [10pts] . Space Marine w/Special Weapon [28pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Meltagun [10pts] + Dedicated Transport [12 PL, 210pts] + Drop Pod [4 PL, 70pts]: Storm bolter Drop Pod [4 PL, 70pts]: Storm bolter Drop Pod [4 PL, 70pts]: Storm bolter ++ Total: [103 PL, 1,995pts, -3CP] ++ Created with BattleScribe (battlescribe.net) ++ Battalion Detachment -3CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Blood Angels) [103 PL, 1,995pts, -3CP] ++ + Configuration [-3CP] + **Chapter Selection**: Blood Angels Detachment Command Cost [-3CP] + HQ [17 PL, 325pts] + Commander Dante [9 PL, 175pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Inferno pistol, The Axe Mortalis Librarian Dreadnought [8 PL, 150pts]: Furioso fist, Furioso force halberd, Smite, Storm bolter + Troops [20 PL, 430pts] + Tactical Squad [5 PL, 110pts] . 3x Space Marine [54pts]: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Boltgun, 3x Frag & Krak grenades . Space Marine Sergeant [28pts]: Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Frag & Krak grenades, Hand Flamer [5pts], Power sword [5pts] . Space Marine w/Special Weapon [28pts]: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Meltagun [10pts] Tactical Squad [5 PL, 110pts] . 3x Space Marine [54pts]: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Boltgun, 3x Frag & Krak grenades . Space Marine Sergeant [28pts]: Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Frag & Krak grenades, Hand Flamer [5pts], Power sword [5pts] . Space Marine w/Special Weapon [28pts]: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Meltagun [10pts] Tactical Squad [5 PL, 110pts] . 3x Space Marine [54pts]: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Boltgun, 3x Frag & Krak grenades . Space Marine Sergeant [28pts]: Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Frag & Krak grenades, Hand Flamer [5pts], Power sword [5pts] . Space Marine w/Special Weapon [28pts]: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Meltagun [10pts] Tactical Squad [5 PL, 100pts] . 4x Space Marine [72pts]: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Boltgun, 4x Frag & Krak grenades . Space Marine Sergeant [28pts]: Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Frag & Krak grenades, Hand Flamer [5pts], Power sword [5pts] + Elites [42 PL, 795pts] + Death Company Marines [16 PL, 270pts]: Jump Pack [2 PL, 20pts] . Death Company Marine [37pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Thunder hammer [15pts] . Death Company Marine [37pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Thunder hammer [15pts] . Death Company Marine [22pts]: Frag & Krak grenades X8 . . Bolt pistol and chainsword: Astartes Chainsword, Bolt pistol Sanguinary Guard [17 PL, 310pts] . Sanguinary Guard [30pts]: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe, Frag & Krak grenades X3 . Sanguinary Guard [30pts]: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword, Frag & Krak grenades . Sanguinary Guard [40pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma pistol [5pts], Power fist [5pts] . Sanguinary Guard [30pts]: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword, Frag & Krak grenades X5 Terminator Assault Squad [9 PL, 215pts] . Assault Terminator Sergeant [43pts] . . Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield [10pts]: Storm shield, Thunder hammer [10pts] . 4x Assault Terminator w/THSS [172pts]: 4x Storm shield, 4x Thunder hammer [40pts] + Fast Attack [12 PL, 235pts] + Assault Squad [12 PL, 235pts]: Jump Pack [2 PL, 20pts] . 7x Space Marine [126pts]: 7x Astartes Chainsword, 7x Bolt pistol, 7x Frag & Krak grenades . Space Marine Sergeant [33pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Inferno pistol [5pts], Power fist [10pts] . Space Marine w/Special Weapon [28pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Meltagun [10pts] . Space Marine w/Special Weapon [28pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Meltagun [10pts] + Dedicated Transport [12 PL, 210pts] + Drop Pod [4 PL, 70pts]: Storm bolter Drop Pod [4 PL, 70pts]: Storm bolter Drop Pod [4 PL, 70pts]: Storm bolter ++ Total: [103 PL, 1,995pts, -3CP] ++

[@michaelheckman4468]

Is it just me or does the death guard list get cut off and the blood angel list is repeated twice.

[@magumble6107]

isnt there a restriction to how many units of poxwalkers u can take?

[@ediTHoRe]

@@michaelheckman4468 same here...some Nurglings ran away with the rest of the list...

[@DanielEdwards42]

@@magumble6107 yeah - one per unit of Bubonic Astartes Core Infantry. So the Blightlords and PMs allow 2 units of Poxwalkers to be taken.

[@gregoryarlo5107]

you prolly dont care but does someone know of a method to get back into an Instagram account? I somehow forgot the account password. I appreciate any tricks you can give me!

[@warpcrafter]

In the first Blood Angels turn I imagine Mortarion looking at them and saying "All that for a drop of blood?"

[@Writh811]

I turned to my wife after that first onslaught against Morty and said exactly that.

[@Swoozman]

“Im all for change for the sake of change” - Luka, noted Death Guard Enthusiast.

[@papanurgle8393]

I squished a dozen plague toads when I heard that crap.

[@JK-hf3tp]

Then "Just seems too restrictive for no reason" 2 mins later.

[@vfox1582]

Tzeentch manipulating this from the shadows.

[@barryhercules7588]

I like DG losing hateful assault in lieu of improved profiles, changes the "always be charging" meta to "think twice about charging DG because they will probably survive and beat you up". Overall though they seem absurdly strong now though with competitive lists picked. Good to see fun lists played here, tactical marines need more love and drop pods should be mandatory

[@mattheopichetti9258]

Except that there is no difference....lol hateful assault was also active when being charged. Now its just in their profile. But its still an extra attack regardless if your attacked or are attacking.

[@barryhercules7588]

But now that extra attack also carries over to the next round if they are still tied up, and thats more likely since the survivability has gone up alongside. Charging DG units can be a really bad idea now

[@denniswestermeyer4096]

If it wasnt for objectives it almost seems like morty could have wiped that entire army on his own

[@anubis1416]

"I like change for the sake of change"-nurgle player....... Wut

[@wheekwarrior1406]

This isn't a nerd battle report

[@RickStinkum]

as someone who last played 40k at the beginning of 5th edition and is dipping his toes back into it now: space marines get so many attacks on the charge holy crap.

[@caverramos7581]

Finally, in 5th space marines did nothing in melee. Still charging with tactical squads was dumb

[@richmcgee434]

It's quite crazy, yes. When you compare the melee damage output of even relatively tame Marine troops to equal points worth ork boyz or Tyranid hormagaunts (or even genestealers) it's kind of depressing - especially when you note that Marines also shoot well, have incredible armor saves, and can pull an extra -1 AP out of doctrines for extra cost.

[@ediTHoRe]

@@richmcgee434 wait for the Codex books..........please hold the line.......

[@Greatkingrat88]

@@richmcgee434 Genestealers kill whatever they touch, what do you mean? Normal non-assaulty marines aren't even close to the damage output of a mob of boyz either.

[@builder969channel6]

@@Greatkingrat88 yeah genestealers just rip things apart i have 12 and they delete a unit before being deleted themselves

[@giacomopiccininni7803]

Well done attacking the drone rather than morarion, it was honestly the best choice

[@Noonmail]

Dave missed SO many 6s because of those blood angels dice 😂

[@SolNacht]

So who are the Mini Wargaming four horsemen of the apocolypse? Luka = Nurgle Dave = Khorne Tzeentch? Slaanesh? Once we know this, Matt can run the trials of Abaddon as a Campeign

[@ollyrukes]

Wow, Dante really came in handy this battle. He did so much.

[@Mesi40k]

Not starting Dante on the board, is only one of the many many mistakes the Blood Angels player made.

[@dickthehead1145]

The fact Dante hasn't got an updated primaris model is one of the many crimes against humanity from Gdub

[@linkofvev]

@@dickthehead1145 Get in line behind Azrael. I had to make my own because the current one is so tiny.

[@dickthehead1145]

@@linkofvev I'm not even a space marine guy, I'm death guard myself. I just think its crazy so many armies and models are outdated.

[@linkofvev]

@@dickthehead1145 That first bit was a joke. But yeah I agree.

[@cahdragon]

DG finally having 2 wounds. I wonder how much longer it's going to take the rest of Chaos to catch up.

[@derpyboi8591]

All marines have two wounds, Chaos and Imperium, that was already FAQ'd

[@ChaosSwarm]

@@derpyboi8591 no they dont. normal chaos marines, T-sons and Grey knights stil old 1 Wound models

[@Blight02]

@@derpyboi8591 yeah it's going to be awhile before they get that. Even CSM plague marines have different cost and rules. Only guns they directly share with loyalists got changed to match. Still in local games it might be a good idea to up their points comparably to loyalists and give them the 2 wounds until their new book comes out.

[@daveb8665]

Thanks to abaddon, Another 10,000years

[@ericochoa5784]

another 5 months baby

[@jacksonandrews8714]

That Death Guard terrain is so cool. Hope we can take a page out of AoS’s book and get some more faction specific stuff on the table!

[@paulhudson8725]

hell, I am gonna use it in AoS! The realm of metal looks like a suitable home for it.

[@richmcgee434]

@@paulhudson8725 I was thinking the same thing. We're overdue for a new Nurgle book over in AoS, and it would also look good with Clan Pestilens forces.

[@RunAzazelRun]

When luka talks it looks like he's trying to cast a spell with his hand waves lol

[@dhawkeye4439]

Wow I thought the new terrain piece would be a lot smaller

[@HillslamsMirror]

This is one of the last two channels where I can tune in and not know how a Blood Angel game is going to end without even watching it.

[@DarkMessiah117]

The deathguard terrain has to be 3" away from any terrain features btw ;) And mortarion got D6 attacks with his small helpers :)

[@caverramos7581]

I have to VAR this 1:26:50 the sanguinary guard is save 2, and the angels rolled 6 6 3, against an attack with AP 1, which means they should have taken NO damage hence no corrotion, i think it could have changed a lot

[@edoardoluppi6455]

For corrosion you just need to hit, so that wouldn't have changed

[@Cobracommander1986]

Dave, I guess you now know whats it like to be a guardsman (hitting on 4 +) in the shooting phase

[@quantumotter]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t the malignifier placement illegal? As fortifications have to be 3” outside of other terrain when placed

[@teamredshirt]

I honestly might buy a DG army just so I have an excuse to paint Mortarion.

[@Warhammer40J]

Shit just buy Mortarion. I don't want to play DG but as soon as I saw that Mortarion model I knew I was gonna buy it.

[@TeddyZetterlund]

Great energy, great/fun lists, great comments. I really enjoyed watching this.

[@Violaphobia]

I'm not super sure about the new rules, but are the pox walkers at 58:00 ish in coherency? I thought the new rules precluded the conga-line strategy

[@EpicDoom80]

I would've attacked with the librarian dreadnought first. You want him to have the choice between death company and your dread/terminators, by attacking with death company first you take that choice away, therefore he will definitely attack your dread/terminators. And your dread being less resilient than your terminators, makes it his likely choice for destruction.

[@lordravenblade]

At 1:26:52 the sanguinary guard have a 2+ save. From the dialog I think the blight grenades only had a -1 so the 3 would have been fine.

[@antonlukkarinen2648]

1:33:16 I don't think you did the order of modifiers correctly. From the Q&A "First you must determine the model’s current Strength characteristic. To do so apply all modifers to it that multiply or divide the value, then apply any that add or subtract to it. Having done this, you then modify this value as described by the weapon’s Strength characteristic." So you are correct that anything that multiplies or divides the stat is applied first and then you add the modifiers that either adds or subtracts. But you add the weapon modifier last regardless of what kind of modifier it is. So the powerfist should be strenght 6 ((4-3)x2) and not 7 (4x2-1).

[@paulellis6814]

So happy the new codex is here. Hope it will give me a better shot at betting my brother's dark angles

[@markyam4105]

i really appreciate how clear and eloquent both players were. when the putrifier died though i think it already has its own form of explosion.

[@julesmartin6972]

I'm pretty new but why at 45:00 can mortarion hit first, i thought units that charged can fight first in the fightfase

[@arkadiuszysiak5458]

[46:00] Could someone please explain to me why Morti fought first even though he was charged? Thank you in advance! :)

[@lukapavicevic335]

Spent 2 CP on the Counter Offensive Stratagem!

[@lunnarius4920]

Really enjoyed the video well done. DG look strong now. Definitely needed to bring a tuned up BA list and make a few less rule errors to fight something like this. That said I don't think I've ever played a game of 40k where both players get the rules 100% right either lol.

[@crusader__aut7165]

Did the BA forget shock assault when the poxwalkers charged them around 49:00 ?

[@McGrundle]

Hey Luka just thought you should know, the Demon Prince has the "Lord of the Death Guard" Ability, he does not have the keyword so therefore you could include something like Typhus or Lord of Contagion along side him.

[@jonny_kung]

Pausing the video at 42:30 to answer Dave's question (haven't seen the outcome) - experience dictates to me that you should attack with the Terminators to Mortarion first. Now I am gonna press play and see what happens!!!

[@PrimalLuxrays]

Literally the two armies I’m deciding between

[@zakobius3857]

I couldn't decide and collect both now

[@Kid_illithid]

Your game table had me thinking “TROGDOR!!” The entire time lol. I know they weren’t actually thatched roof cottages but they were very medieval in comparison to the armies

[@dystopiate2205]

As someone who just recently came back to the hobby after years away from the tabletop, I must say that MWG has the least-daunting & most user-friendly presentation and pacing if you're trying to start from a beginner level. I've watched at least a half-dozen tabletop WH40k gaming channels at this point trying to prepare my Death Guard army for play, and I find I'm able to understand and follow what's going on in MWG videos the easiest. Definitely picked up a sub from me.

[@NerdWorkshop1]

Great game! Where did you get the death guard object markers?

[@greylithwolf]

Listening to Dave as Luka explains his army, he's just like, "wow. This is fucking bullshit."

[@AmazingNibbles501]

not gonna lie, I'm kind of missing pink haired Luka

[@Nusous]

At min 35 u saved with a 3. Has mortarion not a 4+ inv? Or did i miss smtg?

[@Squishysforbreakfast]

Wait, are those nurgle bongs?

[@markdevlin6845]

Not sure if it changed in the new codex, but the fleshmower is a plague weapon in the old codex, so you should have been able to re-roll the wounds in the first round fight phase to kill off that squad.

[@DanielEdwards42]

Assuming you guys are house ruling faction terrain? As GW's FAQs state that they can't be set up within 3" of existing terrain pieces, making the furnace unplayable on any decent board

[@Ed-hv6xj]

Bringing a 2,000 point army to face Death Guard and your only weapons with S4< are 5 meltas. What could possibly go wrong?

[@victorjacquet2627]

Let´s just forget about all the Thunder Hammers and the dreadnought. Let´s just forget about the +1 to wound combined with a bucket of saturation and AP.

[@Ed-hv6xj]

@@victorjacquet2627 Oh yeah the Dreadnaught that they knew would die immediately to Mortarion without doing a single thing? The +1 to wound which only occurs in CC which the majority of the army never got to do? The Thunder hammers that were used against Mortarion and barely scratched him, and then retreated to the other side of the map to do nothing again? In my 2k of Dark Angels I have 4 lascannons, 2 missile launchers, 3 assault cannons, 5 plasma talons, 5 plasma cannons and 2 plasma guns, as well as 5 Knights who have suped-up Thunder Hammers... That's how you deal with Death Guard, keep your distance and shoot the shit out of them. Mortarion is OP as shit, no doubt, but this was just poorly executed...

[@Greatkingrat88]

@@victorjacquet2627 Thunder hammers at -1 to hit. 3 attacks apiece makes it 16 attacks, hitting on a 4+, wounding on a 3+, and then having to contend with a 4++ and a 5++ with damage reduced by one. Even if all 5 terminators get in, that's an average of 4 damage for the entire squad. You need volume for something this resilient, not big high damage attacks.

[@victorjacquet2627]

You got good arguments but you forget a big point : You are talking about lists and matchups specific againt the Death Guard. And yeah, if dave was building a list againt DG, he failled, nothing to say about that. But... dave do not build list against one type of ennemy. And 90% players do not. And it´s the same at MWG. you build a list, and then you find your opponent. And Because you do not know you will be facing, you build a balanced list that ça be effective against anything. Jack of all trades, master of none. And with that point of view 5 meltas, 1 Lib dread, 5 terminators with TH, and the global +1 to wound... well seems quite sufficiant to deal with armored target in 5 turns against the majority of armies. a weak spot of the army yes, but still sufficiant. PS : don´t forget that TH can be hiting on 3+ with fury of the first ^^

[@Greatkingrat88]

@@victorjacquet2627 You could absolutely build a much better all comers list than this for BA. More importantly he made the tactical mistake of trying to kill Mortarion, which is a huge trap. A tactical victory is more than possible if you kill everything _except_ Mortarion.

[@whofreakincares1000]

This was a good representation of the passive abilities.

[@joebody7198]

Hey guys, where’d you get your trees from? They look so much better than anything I can find anywhere!

[@holdencross5904]

I’m a death guard player. I have a custom nurgle model, some poxwalkers and marines. What else should I add to that list (I have the Dar Imperium starter set)?

[@sub39h]

Death Guard seem super OP at the minute. Especially Mortarion. From a lore point of view making a Primarch nearly unkillable makes sense. On the tabletop for 490 points it doesn’t though.

[@reeferbeard5140]

I just moved to Rural Alberta, takes forever to drive anywhere. I download these for long drives, Luka the Dice has so much knowledge! And a great audiobook voice!

[@lukapavicevic335]

Thanks :P I dislike hearing my own voice(contrary to popular belief!), though I think that's common for a lot of people.

[@stephenhart9070]

Sounds like you built the death company marines in battlescribe as their primaris variant?

[@chompette_]

Blightlord's weird one combi weapon type rule probably came about from that being what's available in the kit. Was super annoying if you wanted to run 4 combi plasma.

[@leiziru9642]

The fact that I'll eventually be facing Mortarion&Magnus possibly aided by some CKnight support as non-competitive Craftworlds/Ynnari has me worried.

[@chrisyc2k]

There is a rule in the new DG book that say you cannot have more than 1 daemon primarch in your army. So no Magnus/morty combo thankfully

[@richmcgee434]

@@chrisyc2k Particularly those two. Nurgle and Tzeentch have been directly opposed to one another since before the Slaves To Darkness books in the mid-80s. Mashing their followers together in the same list is about as fluffy as playing an Eldar horde army built around hundreds of disposable Guardians - albeit quite a bit more effective.

[@davidgantenbein9362]

@@chrisyc2k Wasn’t that debunked as fake?

[@christopherwilson4956]

Love it when the last marine in a squad refuses to die lol

[@pierremaier6786]

So those objective markers. In what nebula do you procure them ?

[@sirhoegstern8188]

Hello MWG Studios ! Thx for your Report ! I have one question about Miasmic Malignifier : what is the size of the base ? Like the base of Mortarion ?

[@D00M3R-SK8]

is that a primaris BA army, or did you just use primaris models to make it? EDIT: they've just been rebased, is it? was that difficult?

[@jamesconner3056]

43 mins in, yes attack drone IMO. Also I think this is a huge uphill battle for BA, I think knowing miasma is up, run and gun and keep reserves in space till miasma is failed or denied. Also allows stretching out DG then gor for backfield obj. Play the mission? Thats my initial thoughts cause at first look I was like, morty is about to grape his face off...

[@djfinalform4008]

I am happy to see that Luka has the same luck as me with my wound rolls.

[@QuimFreecss]

Hey, can you tell me how the hills terrain company is spelly or show me a link? I don't get the name quite correctly yet and have a hard time finding it

[@Tonberry88]

A good point to note is the Daemon Princes got FAQ'd so they no longer have "Lord of the Death Guard" Keywords. You are able to take them now with LoV and LoC. Not that the time of this vids release though.

[@wolfiebane2437]

that was a very fun battle report to watch, the shiny new updates to Death Guard look super fun! Though it makes me want a special shiny unique book for World Eaters!

[@carstenbalzer5197]

Nice one. 1 Question: Units coming out of a Drop Pod have to deploy within 3", havent't they?

[@fallenwayward]

I thought you can only run one unit of cultists or poxwalkers per unit of plague marines?

[@ihriel918]

You can only have one unit of Poxwalkers and one unit of Cultists per Bubonic Astartes Core Infantry unit in the detachment. This includes Plague Marines, Blightlord Terminators and Deathshroud Terminators.

[@Writh811]

Mortarian survived, I'm impressed. He also unleashed crazy devastation in this battle. I impressed with how tough he is now. The new DG rules are looking really cool!

[@peters6345]

People did some math it seems Morty is crazy OP now.. but then again it is the internet

[@ficusaurelius6801]

@@peters6345 I've seen 8 or so reports featuring mortie so far. Total blowouts. This army only looks fun to play if you like to totally devastate your opponent. Fun...

[@peters6345]

@@ficusaurelius6801 that really annoys me.. GW saw what codex 2.0 did to marines. I thought they learned from it and tested more, end of 8th wasn't fun for marine players or their opponents. I guess they love releasing faq after faq. If the army is too strong people won't have fun playing against it.. Ironhands was horrible.

[@ficusaurelius6801]

@@peters6345 Iron hands should have been a lesson to GW. This is embarrassing for the game, and will only cause strife and animosity among the players. This puts DG players in a bad spot too. They have the choice of "do I absolutely stomp all my friends?" "Do I put morty on the shelf to be nice?" "Do I have to purposely play sloppy so that my opponent has a fraction of a chance?" Tough spot to be in if you only have a DG army and don't have the funds or time to start a new faction. Shame on GW.

[@lukepeterken4984]

Great improvement on the video quality 👍🏻👍🏻

[@onimeno121]

42:40 I feel like you have to go with the death company into the death newer first. Thats what I think... I guess we'll see.

[@zakattak167]

So you said one per detachments on lords? So if I'm running two detachments I can take two? Or one per army?

[@andrewadamski8547]

Separate detachments allow for different lords. So if you had two patrols you could take two lords!

[@sirarthurkingofbobland4159]

How much Cp points do Blood angels have with this list when starting round 1? and how do i calculate it?.

[@optimistprime332]

Love that BA list. Theres so many youtubers (of the scorpian kind) who play them like red marines and lose horribly. U guys have nailed it here tho

[@bddb9239]

So what you saying is this scorpion youtuber played them like Seth warned Dante they would become.

[@optimistprime332]

@@bddb9239 hahaa exactly...

[@kbsurefire8594]

can anyone help me understand, can i take a normal daemon prince and use it in my DG army under the name daemon prince of nurgle or DG daemon prince. i find the CSM model far more appealing and would rather use that model form my DG army.

[@daemonnexusknight]

Yup you can. The other one is just specific to DG but doesn't have to be used.

[@steweygrrr]

So hey, all those 'what would have happened if I did this?' rolls? Chaos theory says they don't matter. The only time the roll you make is relevant is the time you make it because if you had rolled it at a different time the initial orientation of the dice would be different, the way they would roll will be different, any random air currents that may have affected the way they roll would be different etc. Serious comment, dayum Dave those charge rolls! If only those charges hadn't been into apparently _the most resilient unit in the entire game!_ I'm surprised that he didn't get the can only take X wounds per phase gimmick that other super units like Ghazghkull got, though I suppose that would probably have been just a tad overpowered on top of 4 warlord traits 2+ to hit for shooting and melee, aoe -1 toughness, S8 T8, 18 wounds, a 3+/4++/5+++ save, psychic abilities, a stratagem that allows his damage to spill over... am I forgetting anything? Good game though, unlucky wound rolls for the Blood Angels but also showed off both theirs and the Death Guards strengths.

[@wampasaurus8964]

I think you should have spent the 2 CP for "Only In Death Does Duty End" stratagem on the Libby Dread

[@magnum32b]

oh yeeeaaaah a "librarian" dreadnought counts as a character doesn't it? (i'm assuming because i've never played blood angels)

[@wampasaurus8964]

@@magnum32b They are indeed characters. Toughness 7, Wounds 8, Cast 2 Psychic powers, Deny 1. They're really solid even after the nerf to their Furioso Force Halberd

[@megazaku1139]

@@wampasaurus8964 they’re no longer hitting on 2+ which is disappointing

[@wampasaurus8964]

@@megazaku1139 Yeah I was disappointed by that change in the new codex supplement as well, however the extra attack from 3 to 4 was nice

[@michaeljohnson778]

During the turn 1 combat you could've used the Blood Angels strategem to make it so Mortarian could only target the dread, still lose the dread but that could prevent him from even thinking about the terminators.

[@michaeljohnson778]

Also could've not charged the primarch with the best melee weapon from the horus heresy.

[@chugiak28]

Can't use that strat on the dread "non vehicle units"

[@bddb9239]

I wonder what Dave would come up with for a 2k primaris/firstborn blended Blood Angel list.

[@mrconcom]

When shooting your bolters Luka, if your marines did not advance they get double shots each, this is due to the remorseless advance rule stating they count as being remained stationary with malicious volleys

[@lukapavicevic335]

I shot twice with the bolters! The squad only had 5 marines with boltguns in it though. Some of them died throughout the game as well.

[@dreweybaker9259]

Where did u get that sweet necron shirt

[@leolin2535]

When Dave charged into Mortarion turn 1 another option I would've done is attack with the terminators first use fury of the first for +1 to hit and death to traitors to re roll the hit rolls and pop wisdom of the ancients on the librarian dreadnought to re roll wound rolls of 1 instead of attacking the bloat drone because you can make the Death Company feel no pains to 5+ to make them more survivable.

[@deathandtaxes1]

Mortarion disables rerolls now.

[@davidgantenbein9362]

One remark as I just learned that today: wisdom of the ancients needs to be used in the command phase, not the fight phase, so no late decisions on that one.

[@leolin2535]

@@deathandtaxes1 Ah I was unaware of that, I didn't see it in his data sheet ty.

[@GrimDan1789]

Isn't Domination scored at the end of the player turn

[@glasseagle8368]

Wow the death guard are really cool! I have never seen them played before.

[@antoineh8679]

Isn't the Librarian Dreadnought a Character ? You could have used "ONly in death does duty ends" from the Astartes codex...6 attacks of D3+3 damage might have helped...I think. :)

[@sierraandrews9921]

mortarion feels obserdly strong now ngl

[@lukapavicevic335]

This is was a good game for showing off his potential for sure! Things worked out really well for him, though a lot of it was due to good saves. He can still be threatened by a good amount of shooting!

[@richmcgee434]

@@lukapavicevic335 He really can't. Check out Auspex Tactics' channel for a good mathhammer examination of how much fire he can weather now. It's really quite absurd. They'll almost certainly need to nerf him one way or the other.

[@lukapavicevic335]

@@richmcgee434 I always compare a unit's durability to how much fire power of Kastellan Robots they can survive, granted their weapons are near perfect for dealing with Mortarion I suppose. 4 of them with some stratagems behind them nearly take him out in one volley, about 3-5 wounds left on him. You just need to use the correct weapons on him. Though even if you have the correct weapons for the job, you're still better off ignoring him I'd say. Be better to focus the other units in the Death Guard Army, Mortarion is great at killing most anything he sees, he won't be the one scoring points and winning the game though!

[@DarkfireEquinox]

Suppose you could say he is... disgusting 🤣

[@ficusaurelius6801]

@@lukapavicevic335 I've seen several battle reports with mortie so far. no one has been able to "ignore" him at all. For that matter, I've seen him weather several entire armies worth of shooting, and 22 fusion pistols at once, and not even get bracketed. He hasn't been bracketed once in all of the games I've seen him in. People keep waving mortie off like he not that tough, but the evidence is mounting that he is waaaaaaay OP.

[@liamhartley-wright8739]

great report, can you do a a score sheet during the game?

[@LC-fq8ko]

Can you cast spells when advancing or falling back ?

[@lukapavicevic335]

Not while Falling back!

[@crunchynut5157]

I think you said in the review that you can only take 1 pox Walker/cultist unit per plague marine unit?

[@Steppenwolfmother]

It’s one poxwalker/cultist unit per core unit. That includes terminators etc

[@davidgantenbein9362]

It’s one per „bubonic astartes core infantry“ unit, so basically each unit of plague marines, blightlord terminators and deathshroud terminators allows one unit of poxwalkers. But this restriction is within each detachment, units in other detachments are not taken into account, each detachment has to fulfill this requirement.

[@greigpil9835]

'Gloaming' means twilight/getting dark in Scots. What does Gloaming Bloat mean in the context of Nurgley grossness?

[@thomaskelly7723]

I'd imagine black death-like buboes. Bloated skin that turns dark as it dies.

[@zappbrannigan2394]

1:40:18 Starting with the Powerfist, when there is a model with one wound left in the enemy unit is always a bad idea. And he did this twice😑

[@numbere329]

Well, in his defense, it kind of didn't matter, seeing as the damage was reduced to 1 anyways.

[@zappbrannigan2394]

@@numbere329 I meant the plague marines hitting the blood angels. Look at the time stamp for example.

[@numbere329]

@@zappbrannigan2394 Ah, sorry. I watched the wrong section. You're right.

[@RFischer]

Guys. Can you give points 'total' between rounds? Please?

[@Tartersauce101]

The blood angel rolls have been statistically awful so far lmao

[@cristianmoss7828]

Too bad this channel never has both players playing the same dice

[@chriengo89]

First turn charge you should have used Adaptive strategy in your command phase on your terminators and use angels sacrifice on your librarian dreadnought in your fight phase, forcing all of Mortarions attacks on your dreadnought. Then your Terminators can survive and attack on full strength

[@bigbigbear58]

*declares charge against Mortarion. “It’s a trap!”

[@leiziru9642]

ABANDON REASON! KNOW ONLY WAR!

[@Nilmur2]

speaking of that, i remember one of my very early games with death guard and mortarion in 8th edition, I was up against Imperial Guard, and they heroic intervened Yarrick into Mortarion. did not end well.

[@leiziru9642]

@@Nilmur2 F. Died like a hero.

[@Luciusthestorms]

That was like one of my first 3rd edition games when my blood angel friend charged into my genestealers and finding out they had rending and i think initiative 6 back then.

[@shanemcdaniel8209]

Luka rocking the Phyrexian Tattoo! so cool

[@Rtiffany0466]

does the character explosion have the -1 on the roll against characters? or is that the other strategem? Cant remember. Cool game! Cool army!

[@ghoticetox]

pretty sure you forgot the blight launchers on the plague marines attacking the sanguinary guard

[@lukehill4067]

Can drop pods drop on turn 1?

[@d.t.m8393]

They can. They have a special rule which allows them to (Drop Pod Assault).

[@KyuubiReaper122]

Someone call Roboute, it seems Morty needs to get the boys in blue around since Dante need's help carrying a lot of weight today.

[@leiziru9642]

Not even Roboute can compete with him in CC :D

[@derpyboi8591]

@@leiziru9642 Lore? yes Tabletop? it's more even. Even forgets that Guilliman has amazing stats on tabletop, it just depends on the dice

[@leiziru9642]

Roboute can't reliably take on Morty on tabletop. He's going to lose terribly unless Morty rolls hot garbage ;) Sword hardly does MWs (which Morty can ignore) and fist gets stopped at invul, lowered DMG and FNP. Fancy support might help but at that point it's just list tailoring or going hyper competitive. Not everyone wants to field Eradicator or Devpod spam. Having said so, the fist is glorious and capable of one-tapping invul-less stuff

[@ficusaurelius6801]

@@leiziru9642 Not even close. And since you can't reroll guillis get back up save, he's waaaay over pointed and under powered by comparison.

[@ficusaurelius6801]

@@leiziru9642 The emperors freakin' sword should ignore invulns.

[@owenbolding9226]

I'm not sure that if I got a DG list with Mortarian in a tournament I wouldn't just concede and go to the bar for a couple of hours.

[@simonviper85]

That terminator weapon restriction is just dumb, it makes it take longer to fire, more options to forget something... and I made my terminator squat kombi plasma (and 1 flail) only, that is something I did not see come, and I am just salty haha. But great bat rep

[@leiziru9642]

yeah, hopefully it will get FAQ'd

[@coureurdesbois6754]

How can you have 2plasmas and 2 blight launchers in a squad of 10?

[@troy6882]

Because you can.......I got 3 sargent 15man team 2special 1heavy. If you turn them to veteran add extra attack and LD. Devastation squadron 10unit all with rocket launchers.

[@davidgantenbein9362]

To what I have heard: the blight launcher and also the plague spewer are no longer mashed in with the other special weapons, so it’s 1 of each per full 5 models (that is 1 blight launcher, 1 plague spewer and 1 special weapon). All the melee weapons follow the same method: so 1 flail, 1 axe, 1 second knife and 1 mace per full 5 models. The unit size is now also limited to 10 models, so no more 20 PM blobs.

[@DanielEdwards42]

Each special weapon now has it's own individual '1 per 5' restriction. There's no restriction on how many the unit can take total.

[@n0slava]

Good Quentin here! How Plague Marines could take 2x blicht launchers and 2x plasma?! When i try to do this in battlescribe i am getting error... Yes im doing it on 10man squash and still error. Wtf?

[@n0slava]

Jeez! Sry for my Phone autocorrect

[@simonwong6457]

www.goonhammer.com/hammer-of-math-killing-mortarion/ Here is a mathhammer showing how many effort needs to kill Mortarion. Even a fully decked up Warlord Titan will have more than 30% chance failing to kill Morarion. Remember how we scream "Ironhand Leviathan Dreadnought is so OP tough" a year ago? The same Warlord Titan actually would only failed to finish it in one round 13% of the time. Morty is almost 3 times as tough as the "too OP Leviathan Dread". Morty seems should cost 600pts not 490pts.

[@ficusaurelius6801]

This makes me so pissed at GW. I won't feel the least bit bad buying chinese cast crap or 3-d printing if this is how GW is going to treat their customers and community.

[@colkent2193]

Give it a few months, once the OP hype is over and GW have flogged enough kits, expect a cost hike... doubt they'll nerf the data sheet, so points increase it will be.