Minnesota Vikings fans need patience with J.J. McCarthy

Judd Zulgad and Tyler Forness are back for Purple Access. Tyler wants the world to know… You need to be patient with the Minnesota Vikings developmental plan for J.J. McCarthy. Plus, your Comments from KZbin on realistic win totals in 2024 and more PLUS our Extra Points.
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[@TheBoardandThebord]

in Judd’s defense Tyler looks like he should be named thor and thor looks like he should be named tyler

[@behavioralhealthintegration]

Yep 🎉

[@lf2856]

It always confuses me hahaha

[@orioncallaghan2659]

Thor does have "Tyler" energy.

[@noahwelch2931]

For real man 😂

[@samueloconnor2938]

On the JJ being the #3 at the start of the season, I like Mackeys idea of make Hall the sacrificial lamb if that’s what JJ needs

[@calculatedrisk1]

I agree. We know making the playoffs isn’t going to happen unless Sam reinvents himself, which I’m not against. More than likely we won’t, so “experimenting” and assessing where we are as a team, heading into next season, we’ll know what we have and where we’re at…

[@robe2504]

The best and most informed prognosis I've heard about McCarthy. I think the Vikes are trying to set McCarthy up as the franchise QB for the next decade - so their objective is probably to get him to a place where when he takes over, he takes over for good - not getting him on the field asap. Darnold has ever advantage that JJ has, plus 6 years experience in the league.

[@HarambetheWhite]

Reports on Williams are also coming out saying he's thrown 7 picks and that his coaches have been giving him an ear full, telling him to stop scrambling and playing like our last QB

[@RedTideRTS]

I’m not saying this to advocate for the Bears, but he is a rookie and will have similar issues as JJ to kneed out.

[@NairobiDino]

Write it down... 'Sam Darnold starts September 2024 and September 2025! Sam's the Man!

[@djangorestraind596]

What? He's gonna start on a Tuesday and Wednesday? What are you yapping about

[@ghupe03]

I'm totally ok with having him sit for the yr learning. I'm all in on Darnold. I hope Sam does well

[@joshuawilliams2447]

I hope sam does horrible I prey he does horrible 🤣🤣this is jj team

[@hardickmcfondle2956]

Won't happen.. I 100% guarantee that at some point this season, there will be a "JJ JJ JJ " chant from the crowd if Sam Darnold is having a bad game..I just hope KOC doesn't cave if he knows he isn't ready.. cause if JJ came in and didn't play well, vike fans can turn so pessimistic on a dime.. "oh he's a bust blah blah blah"

[@Mic-Purple-Husker]

Have you seen the schedule? There will be calls for Tom Brady… probably even Kirk. We are going to have some losses this year no matter who our QB is.

[@julian3560]

100% lol, Vikes fans can be fickle. we already saw it last year with Jaren Hall who is a 5th round pick. The same people who were calling KOC dumb for starting Hall against Green Bay were the same ones screaming for KOC to pull out Mullen.

[@hardickmcfondle2956]

@julian3560 I almost brought up the Jaren Hall crap from last year, but then my comment would have been quite long.. but yes, definitely.. know quite a few who did that.

[@hardickmcfondle2956]

@Mic-Purple-Husker agreed.. that's why unless JJ completely out preforms every other qb on the roster, I'm absolutely fine with him sitting for the full season if it means he'll be better set for the 2025 season.. I don't want to see panic from this regime like when Spielman traded a 1st for Bradford, and they STILL missed the playoffs..

[@brettholtslander2704]

I live in Michigan and watched JJ in every UM game . I can promise you 1 thing. J.J. is NOT ready for the NFL. He needed to stay 1 more year in college ball

[@jaarc1437]

Tyler dont you slander Case Keenum

[@jameslyon163]

Don’t get over excited about good throws too, because they can have the same meaning as bad throws. Consistency is key

[@gopher4life1]

Crazy with expectations for JJ! Mahomes sat for a year.

[@byoung8821]

Oh brother, this guy STINKS!!! Worse feeling is thinking you a have new episode of PD to watch and then you see Forno 😑

[@TopBobsCasinoSecrets777]

I vote for a classic Bud and Fran sideline pose for a statue

[@stevesmith9173]

Bud Grant statue - ABSOLUTELY!!! Great ( AWESOME ) idea!!!!

[@jameslyon163]

I never thought Malik Willis would be any good, but a lot of raw talent

[@beaubunnell4853]

I’m all for staying patient which is why I wanted them to extend cousins a year.before he signed with ATL when he was offering a market discount. Everyone is clowning on ATL for signing cousins and drafting a QB at 8…guess wha? now they can be patient with their young qb.…the Vikings are more likely to have to force JJ in before he’s ready because of the situation they’ve put themselves in at QB. Say all you want about playing these other QBs if darnold gets hurt or can’t play…if JJ is making $35M a year with Hock making top TE money they aren’t going to roll with Jaren hall. I hope it works out but if it does they are lucky..the smart play would have been to extend cousins a year before he became a FA and draft the qb..which is what Atlanta did.

[@charlesrichard831]

It was never the interceptions or fumbles that pissed me off about Kirk it was always the risk adversity that drove me nuts

[@kevinfessler6831]

Does any "reasonable" person believe there aren't going to be growing pains with McCarthy? He's going to have his ups and down, and that's just the way it's going to be. The key here is progression. How is JJ responding to coaching and how well/quickly is he picking things up. If I wanted to go back 40 years I could find so many write ups about HOF QB's in their first camp having bad days. Heck, vets have bad practices. Everything we're hearing with JJ is that there is good and bad, and that's normal. So far, so good from what I can tell.

[@leonardshevlin7260]

Minnesota drafted Joey Browner instead of Marino.

[@my2bit2cents78]

Literally over 40 years ago. Quit living in the past. Sport are about this year, this season, this game, this play. Nothing else matters. Live in the now.

[@GreyMarano]

Browner was my all time favorite and I wasn’t aware they passed on Marino. Yet last time I checked Marino had ZERO superbowls!

[@originalnorseman462]

We are starting to sound like politicians defending our guys. Do we have the guts to take a top QB next year if we end up with a top pick situation. Like the Bears did. Meanwhile Bo Nix is tearing it up in Denver. That is such a Minnesota thing. Tyler telling us how we should feel 🤣

[@saraxiong]

Lmao Bo Nix has been playing college ball for 6 years. He better be looking more polished than all the other rookies. 😂 why the hell would we draft another QB next year with a top pick? What a dumb take!

[@Monkeezy]

What kind of take is this? If Bo Nix isn't tearing it up in Denver... then something is wrong! You know who also is tearing it up right now? Daniel Jones... It's hilarious when ppl take OTA's as a sign of someone "tearing it up" 😂

[@originalnorseman462]

@@Monkeezy I am just going by what they report in Denver. The dude had the best numbers by a mile. So, it doesn't surprise me. Yes, I know its OTAs and it means nothing, I just like the guys with No expectations that outplay everyone ahead of them. It keeps the know it all's in perspective. Haha Chill.

[@Monkeezy]

@@originalnorseman462 Maybe the dude had the best numbers because his stay was longer than the average player stays... or the actual talented players... It's stuff you have to consider when comparing. Of course a guy who stayed 5+ years stats should look better than those of players that stayed 3-4 years. Yes, Bo Nix has expectations being drafted 12th overall. No matter if he was 6th QB taken, still going to have expectations picked where he was picked.

[@robe2504]

Bo Nix is nearly as old as Darnold, and I doubt he tears anything up in Denver other than Sean Payton's contract.

[@user-dl3uo3we2z]

As for JJM being in the run offence of Michigan, yes not as many opportunities for him to learn passing situations/workload.... i would say the way he handled it was very good at highest level. Execute , focus and when called to pass execute focus.....hes more willing to be flexible and take direction and excel. He could have bellyached , screw u do his own things at times....doesnt seem his style. Hes more ready for the NFL in someways, doesnt need to scramble out of the pocket at the slightest show of pressure. Your Fields, Allen, Murray Once he grasps the nuances of NFL he will be a well rounded QB who has mobility. Develop his throwing skills equally past the Fastball I may get antsy but im prepared till next year if thats when he sees the field

[@SkolSC753]

The Michigan Mahomes.

[@DT-ep3lz]

Bud didn't seem to be the kind of guy who'd have wanted a statue.

[@Mic-Purple-Husker]

I think a simple reminder of what next years salary cap opportunity’s might allow for the team and its future are just as exciting as having our potential franchise QB. Both are unknowns at this point… but also within sight. You can’t really blame this fan base for being excited about the potential of both.

[@fardrives]

my question is.. if Jefferson wants to know who his QB will be how do they not feel forced to roll out McCarthy early?

[@user-dl3uo3we2z]

Way i see it you have 2 main QB out of 4 , OTAs and into camp the 1st & 3rd QB on different sides of the field get the reps, perfect Both Sam and JJM need the work and process to learn/absorb playbook/ show where they are strong and weak at plus where they have progressed since their last stint( SD MIGHT be more of history reference from 2-5 years) As joint camps go and preseason will show progression and retention for both....its too hard to see where it is at this time..... better idea when they get shared practices against other teams 1s seeing how they stack up( JJM Might not get quantity of time in that situation)

[@charlesrichard831]

Name me all the other QBs in history that came in day one and gave their respective team the results the Vikings are looking for?

[@sizzlemann]

Seems like every fan is expecting him to be the next Stroud. Let him sit and learn this year. No rush!

[@user-dl3uo3we2z]

I like JJM in the 3rd spot , so on that side of the field he will be getting the majority of throws, best of the group If he was #2 than hes getting the 2nd throws after Darnold. So ideally for Vikings both your top 2 QBs( or projected) are getting the workload they need.....maybe JJM becomes 3rd QB for a large portion of season......it is a process

[@robe2504]

I agree. I don't expect to see him this year, unless it's to run out the clock.

[@CRuf-qw4yv]

LOL...I have been patient since 1969. On the record again. It is not all about money w/ Jefferson.

[@DJones-mw9mk]

You're right! This is all about a fully guaranteed contract.

[@kbr6783]

JJ18 is a greedy pig and only cares about JJ.

[@fardrives]

​@@DJones-mw9mki think he wants a surefire QB

[@DineroWizdom]

I’m Ngl I feel like we’re gonna regret the Kirk thing

[@MNWILD43]

I write with my left hand. I use utensils with my left hand. I throw right handed, I swing right handed. I'm just weird.

[@mrgobbleton]

"Do wins matter this year?"...cmon bro...

[@kevinfessler6831]

Darnold had an amazing sophomore year at USC (I watched all his games), but his junior year he was forcing things and wasn't as good. Similar to Caleb, but Williams was/is far more talented. I wasn't that high on Sam coming out because his play had regressed in college. How much do I put on Sam vs. situation in the NFL. I'd put 75% of it on Darnold. Players may have lesser situations than others, but these are still NFL level coaches and a player owns his own tape. Could Sam "flourish" under KOC. Possibly, but I think that ceiling is 20th-21st best QB. Good enough to start for a team, but not nearly good enough to take them anywhere. Great guy, and I think he's the right "fit" for this situation.

[@richardsteiner8992]

I think most fans realize he's a rookie, and that it will take some time to get him completely involved with the system. It ain't the fans who are pushing him to start.

[@joshaltepeter1052]

We don't care how you feel

[@adriancastaneda6156]

Really a preseason game against the chargers. smh

[@nilathxayavong6057]

Do you remember Jordan Love taking over for Rogers after the injury he was trash they kept developing him and look at him now. It's a process. How is the public pressuring him going to help he needs to learn a system. A system even "professor Kirk" had trouble getting his first year and he is a veteran in the league.

[@LazyTelevison]

Guy in the middle already creating an environment to hate on Sam even if he performs well. “Qb’s usually pick apart teams in preseason.” No they don’t. Also Sam Darnolds arm talent isn’t “average”. It’s well known and talked about by folks in the league that he has an elite arm. It’s crazy to me when fans don’t get behind their starters. Makes absolutely 0 sense. JJ McCarthy is literally working on his mechanics. Stop applying unnecessary pressure.

[@robe2504]

I agree 100%. Real fans want all their players to succeed and their front office. This - " X is a bust, hope I'm wrong" BS is just needy folks that think - I told you so - makes them valued.

[@LazyTelevison]

@@robe2504 I couldn’t agree more. It’s mostly based in some elitist “I know what’s best” mentality. If you put anyone in Sam’s situation in NY 99% would fail. He was 21 in the craziest market in the league. That aside, his offensive coordinator was trying to get him to run Peyton Mannings offense. Which is insane. The Jets fired him and the next year he was a Tight ends coach in college. Folks think they know everything about Sam and understand him to a cellular level. He could absolutely blow folks away with his play and opportunity this year. Just get behind the guy and what the team is doing and check your sports ego at the door.

[@dankofdaday]

Told u guys jj has a canon

[@hueyang5943]

What's going on TJ Hockenson? No playoffs for the Vikings until that oline is fix.

[@joshaltepeter1052]

Ride the pine see you in 2025

[@pauld6222]

It really scares me to see these type of headlines. It leads me to believe he is not what they thought he was. I really hope my suspicions are wrong.

[@robe2504]

Projecting? Perhaps we could trust KOC and McCown's ability to evaluate an NFL QB?

[@pauld6222]

@@robe2504 The odds are stacked against them no matter what QB they drafted. I still remain mostly positive until its proven that maybe he cant play like Cine showed us. I even love the fact they aren't throwing him right into the starter position and they are giving him a transition period. Only time will tell. That doesn't mean I dont have my concerns though.

[@ashtonyouboty31]

Guy on the left needs to go

[@Saltyahole]

Teddy in the preseason against the chargers is what you’re basing a “what if” Super Bowl projection on? LOL He wasn’t it. 14 tds and 9 ints…in a passing league… That’s HORRIBLE

[@Clashwithcodeman]

Mic cown 7:22 it’s mccown not mccowin, if your a true writer use the proper sounding of the name like last year with Brian Asamoah

[@Monkeezy]

it happens! It's hilarious you taken that really seriously!

[@mineseargent2482]

Forno boutta fillabusssssss

[@saingrimes]

You spent a number 10 pick on JJ. I truly think this team is going to really struggle this year. It's a given this team will have a top 10 pick in the draft in 2025. Every team needs 2 QB's on the roster. It should not be a given that JJ is the future for the next 5 years. If Sanders is there for us at our pick the Vikings should do the right thing and draft him. It's only one year of working with JJ and bringing Sanders on will give us the best shot at getting a true future QB. It's a nice story to see how pumped JJ is to be on this team. The reality is he was basically the 4th option at finding a QB going into the future and the Vikings owe him nothing in terms of bringing in competition. If it takes 2 years to get your guy, that's not a bad situation going into the future.

[@saraxiong]

Lmao we should draft Sanders? Gtfoh! Drafting Sanders means getting him and all the baggage he comes with. I ain’t trying to have Deon meddle with the team. Dumbest take!

[@robe2504]

I doubt they will be picking top 10. They won 7 games with an uneven Cousins, then Dobbs/Hall and Mullens. Darnold might not even be inferior to Cousins. Darnold has a good arm, and anything he lacks in accuracy, should be mitigated by his rushing ability, and movement in the pocket. For the first time in 6 years the O Line won't be protecting a statue.

[@jooglebob]

If Darnold was that good, he would be like Matt Stafford for the Lions, he would still be in New York. He is certainly not a top 3 prospect in the past 10 years, hell he went #3 in his own class! He is getting severely overrated. 1st round busts would be turning into great players all the time if it were true that being in a bad situation was 90% of their problem, and yet the vast majority of 1st round busts do not turn their career around given a second chance. Or a third chance. Or on their fourth team like Darnold.

[@robe2504]

No one is saying Darnold is Mahomes, but Shanahan and KOC have both recognised that he has value. He had no shot with the Jets, and you can continue to live in that paradigm, but also remember that Kirk Cousins started his career 1-0, 1-4, 0-3 7-9 as well. Also consider that Baker started 1-6 for the Panthers in 2022, before being picked up by the Bucs and beating a full strength Vikes including Kirk & Jettas at US Bank on the way to the playoffs last season. Darnold finished the 2022 season for the Panthers, inheriting a 3-8 team after CMC was traded, and went 4-2. Darnold had the 2022 Bucs on the ropes in Tampa leading by 14 until the Panthers D conceded 200 yards and 3 TDs to Brady and Evans in an unlikely comeback that ultimately cost the Panthers the division title. Darnold can play a bit better than some folks suggest.

[@jooglebob]

@@robe2504 Actually I am in the midst of debating someone on a forum who is arguing Darnold is a better QB than Lamar Jackson, and the commenter in this episode called Darnold a top 3 QB prospect from the past 10 years which simply isn’t true. You make some good points but that 4-2 run with the Panthers stemmed from running the ball 36 times per game compared to throwing it about 23 times. He was very efficient (y/a) but still not accurate and by QBR and PFF rating in the 60-70th percentile of QBs. I don’t see the Mayfield comparison. Baker had multiple full quality seasons as a baseline compared to Sam’s 6 game stretch that amounted to 117 passes or so. There isn’t a track record of players at any position playing this poorly and becoming drastically better because of their environment. Mariota, Trubisky, Winston, Bortles, Rosen ad the like would be turning things around if it were as likely as some claim.

[@robe2504]

@@jooglebob I'm not arguing that he's a superstar, but that his situations make him look worse than he potentially is. Yes, he didn't throw it much in those games, but DJ Moore was the only guy on the roster that could get open, and even then he had to make some great throws into small windows. That is also the same argument that many people also make for McCarthy. One of my arguments is that most of the things say about McCarthy are also true for Darnold. And it was not just the last 6 games of 2022, but also the first 6 or 7 of 2021. He won the first 3, then hit the Cowboys in Dallas losing by one score in a 40 point shoot out, then lost in the last minute to the Hurts led Eagles, and almost pulled off a great comeback against the Vikings. That was the 98 yard drive and 2 point conversion after the 2 minute warning. These were all good performances, not flawless, but definitely comparable with what Cousins regularly dished up with the Vikes. I'd argue that Darnold just had an inferior roster and coaching at the Panthers. I've watched all of those games and I saw a guy that can throw at least as well as Mullens, and runs at least as well as Dobbs. He also had a couple of very efficient outings for the 49ers, and arguably looked as good as Purdy. If you remember back to the 49ers training camp there was reporting that Shanahan was impressed with Darnold and he was putting pressure on Purdy. I just think many folks are locked in on the Jets days and are really underestimating him, and what he could do with KOCs play calling and the Vikes elite weapons. Skol!

[@intrepidfool]

These takes about McCarthy on PD have been absolutely terrible. Guy is looking the best so far of any of the rookie QBs and Mackey, Judd, etc. have been wringing their hands and wanting to coddle him like he is some fragile porcelain doll. They would rather throw away the season with a journeyman backup that turns the ball over and crumbles under pressure than find out if McCarthy will be as great as many of us think he will become. Coller on Purple Insider, who was almost unwatchtable pre-draft with his man crush on inferior NFL QB prospect Maye and inability to objectively analyze McCarthy because of it, has come around and is now the voice of reason and sanity on Darnold and McCarthy. He recognizes the simple truths that it is highly improbable that Darnold becomes more than he has proven to be already and that McCarthy looks really promising for a rookie off of his first week of OTAs. Mackey seems intent on trolling his own fanbase and tearing PD down while Judd is afraid of his own shadow and terrified about giving McCarthy his opportunity to excel. It has been an almost 180 degree shift since the draft. Are the PD crew just changing their format to become click bait and scream their bad takes from the mountaintops? There are plenty of shows for that already. Missing the more measured and consistent opinions from the past.

[@edward_kenway532gaming3]

They've said repeatedly they want McCarthy to start when the coaching staff thinks he's ready to. If he needs a redshirt season it's best for him and the team long-term. If he shows he's ready week 1 he will start.

[@intrepidfool]

@@edward_kenway532gaming3Not really, though. They say start when ready but then act like he is a year away. From all accounts, he is ahead of Willams, Daniels, Nix, Penix, and certainly Maye. Yet they act like redshirting him just because will somehow be good for him. There is zero evidence to support this take. Some QBs start early and succeed, some fail. Some start late and succeed, some fail. There is no time machine to look at 50 QBs starting or not and track how that individual’s play would differ. Some guys just have the ability to play at the next level and some don’t. Mahomes would have been elite no matter what. Darnold would have failed no matter what. If the Jets had drafted Mahomes, Gase or whomever would still have a job and being talked about as a future HOF HC. McCarthy will have the playbook and offense down during training camp. The minor footwork and other adjustments that every rookie QB (and every QB going to a new offensive system) need to make are almost insignificant and won’t be an issue. (He doesn’t need an overhaul like Maye, just minor tweaks for their specific choices around timing. And every rookie QB will improve over time with accuracy, touch, and mechanics but there are no glaring deficiencies in McCarthy’s game that prevent him from starting right away.) If he can get the ball out on time to the correct read, he should start. His history shows that he will be successful and he has looked the part so far in training camp. Darnold is a journeyman backup that sees ghosts and turns the ball over. He isn’t the answer. Unless KOC and KAM are supremely confident that a 6 win lost season with Darnold won’t get them fired, McCarthy starts.

[@intrepidfool]

@@edward_kenway532gaming3They are falling into the modern zero accountability bullshit where everyone is a victim. Was Darnold a victim of his coaches? You could as easily claim that the coaches were a victim of Darnold? How about instead just that the coaches and Darnold were all bad? Let them be responsible for their own failures? Giving QBs credit for success but blaming their failure on others is some crazy spin. Darnold simply isn’t a good NFL QB in the games as he cannot handle pressure. Time to find out if JJ is wired for success like I think he is. If he fails, he isn’t good enough. Period. No amount of hand holding or fear based hesitation will change that. You take let the guy take his shot and hope he is the next superstar.

[@robe2504]

You still peddling that 2020 view of Darnold? JJ's time will come, no rush.

[@SCREAMstackz247]

i really hope he doesn’t see the field before the bye week

[@robe2504]

I'm not expecting to see him start until 2025 at the earliest.

[@joshuawilliams2447]

@@robe2504lol I’ll say sam does horrible and jj Comes in and takes his spot and Sam never sees the field again clown

[@robe2504]

@@joshuawilliams2447 You really haven't watched Sam play for a few years have you? Do you remember what KOC was able to do with Dobbs and Mullens last year? And that was before Flores got his guys. You might be waiting a while to see JJ.

[@joshuawilliams2447]

@@robe2504 lol if u think Sam is gonna be the Vikings future ur high sam had his chance with the niners for a one year deal when they got rid of jimmy 🤣🤣with there offense he couldn’t even grab a starting job that roster is better then ours and u wanna say he’s gonna be good here tf on lil boi

[@robe2504]

@@joshuawilliams2447 Ok. The opposite of trash is not the QBOTF. That is a stupid argument, which seems to be on brand. Purdy was the starting QB when the Niners signed Sam, not Jimmy G, and Shanahan moved on from Trey Lance (and the three 1st round picks) in order to keep Darnold. Darnold played very efficiently in his two appearances for the Niners. You might try watching those games before running your mouth, and letting everyone know that you haven't watched Darnold since 2019. I think that Shanahan and KOC probably know a bit more about QBs than you do, and I'd bet Shanahan wished that the Niners had enough cap space to keep him this season. KOC was able to win games with Dobbs, Mullens, and Cousins. I think he'll be able to win plenty with Darnold.

[@StillKeepOnLosing]

Bro a 4th stringer and the lead dog is Sam Darnold. That should tell you all you need to know... Rip

[@saraxiong]

All we know is that you’re bitter. Always acting like you hate MN Sports but yet always commenting. I’ve never seen someone invest so much time towards something they claim to despise. 🤣

[@StillKeepOnLosing]

@@saraxiong Aww Silly Sarah... Why would I be bitter for making fun of you sad MN fans who always think you guys have a chance? Lmfao. Y'all funny

[@maxpowers3494]

​@@StillKeepOnLosingIt's becuase they honestly think that the "only" roadblock to the super bowl was Kirk.😂😂😂

[@user-dl3uo3we2z]

​@saraxiong methinks he's a troll with purple wig trying to dishearten Vikings fans

[@StillKeepOnLosing]

@@user-dl3uo3we2z Oh, She knows who I am. She knows I been riggt all these years. Not trolling if it's true. Not my problem you sad mn fans live in a false reality. Rip

[@daleboylen6427]

Phil on Kirk Cousins: are we supposed to believe that every offensive line he played behind was garbage? That all his receivers were bad? That NO coaches knew what they were doing? Judd on Darnold: Well, he came into a really bad situation in the Jets. Then he went to another train wreck with the Panthers but a year with the niners he learned a lot" Phil on Kirk: a great QB should be able to lift his team to the playoffs. Judd on McCarthy, a #10 overall, 1st round pick: Be patient with him. Oh the irony.

[@DT-ep3lz]

CFL? LOL. Who cares?

[@bradshaw2244]

Football players still do coke

[@daleboylen6427]

Patient? All I heard from Phil and Judd for YEARS was Kirk Cousins was the one player STOPPING the Vikes from winning a super bowl. His "Salary" was prohibiting the team from building a quality roster, they said. Well, Kirk is gone. Kirk's salary is gone. Nothing stopping them now. For YEARS Phil and Judd preached the team needed a "Franchise QB on a rookie pay scale" Well, ya got that too. I said "If paying Kirk 35 million per was prohibitive to assembling a team, then paying JJ $35 million would also be prohibitive. And now that everything Judd and Phil said was needed to win a super bowl is in place, we hear "Be patient"

[@DerrickRG]

What a stupid take.

[@saraxiong]

Lmao Kirk is a 12 year veteran. McCarthy is a rookie. So we’re supposed to treat McCarthy like a 12 yr old veteran who’s getting paid 35 million? 🤣🤣🤣 GTFOH! Kirk Stans acting like a rookie should be treated the same way Kirk was treated is laughable. Dumbest take ! 🤣🤣 Kirk Stans wanting us to treat McCarthy the same as Kirk says Kirk is the same skill level as a rookie. 🤣🤣🤣 gee should we pay Kirk $45 mil a year or let Kirk go and free up that money to pay actually great players that play up to the value of their contract? 🤣🤣🤣 Only clowns like Kirk Stans would choose to continue to pay an underachiever $45 million and let the great players go instead. 🤣🤣

[@saraxiong]

Lmao so we should pay Kirk $45 million but treat him like a rookie QB? 🤣🤣🤣 Kirk Stans are something else!

[@daleboylen6427]

@@saraxiong I'm saying if paying ONE man $35 million straps the team, then paying any other man $35 million also straps the team. I didn't say a word about experience, fool. Judd and Phil said "Kirk's SALARY was PREVENTING the team from assembling a talented roster" Apparently the $35 million they'll have to pay Jefferson doesn't count against the cap? They just HATE Kirk, who was a 5th round pick, btw. Also, McCarthy played in a pro style offense and WON a National title just last year. Stop coddling this guy or you'll turn him into a pussy.

[@maxpowers3494]

​@DerrickRG But the people who told us time after time after time after time after time after time, that Kirk was the "ONLY" thing keeping the Vikings out of the Super Bowl, where never called stupid. So you're missing the point. I'm not a kirk fan. But saying kirk was the ONLY problem was a real thing that recieved zero criticism.

[@Selling-McCarthyism]

So we give all the time and patience for McCarthy yet none for Hall? Makes sense.

[@_What_About_Bob]

Do we really need to explain the differences between Hall and McCarthy? Besides, Nobody is saying Hall can’t go to the practice squad if he clears waivers.

[@lennifrd1]

1st round pick vs 5th round pick.... just the way it is

[@leonardshevlin7260]

It's ridiculous that they paid so much for a man who has to be trained in the fundamentals.

[@DerrickRG]

Huh?

[@leonardshevlin7260]

​@@DerrickRG He has been a quarterback year-round for most of his life and spent years in Ann Arbor with NFL coaches. He should already know how to move his feet.

[@DerrickRG]

​@leonardshevlin7260 Lol, ok. Meanwhile every damn QB that has ever come out regardless of draft spot has needed work. You're clueless.

[@saraxiong]

Lmao this is the dumbest comment of the day. 😂 McCarthy is on a rookie contract. 😂 Payinv Kirk so much money for nothing was stupid.

[@leonardshevlin7260]

@@DerrickRG Not true. Every rookie has a lot to learn, eg the playbook. Not every rookie cost three draft choices (including the 11th overall) and played for a former NFL quarterback on a national championship team. Why couldn't Harbaugh fix his flaws?

[@easalsoeas4565]

What Vikings fans should be worried about, is that JJ McCarthy is set up to be the biggest bust for Kwesi as the Vikings GM. I don't see any potential for JJ McCarthy to develop into a NFL starting QB.

[@joshuaburns4242]

Ha! Ha! Ha! Enjoy the North cellar for the next 5 years..at least! ONEPRIDE!! 🦁 ( Feel bad for my Wolverine JJ tho 😢)

[@FranciscoSanchez-zh6bu]

Typical Lions fan, first time you've had success in so long that you think it lasts in the NFL might have 1 more good year. Good luck with those contracts that have been handed out!

[@DerrickRG]

You'll be right back at the bottom again soon. Goff's contract extension ensures that.

[@joshuaburns4242]

@@FranciscoSanchez-zh6bu His big money wont kick in till 2026, and by that time the cap would’ve risen by another 35%, it’ll be seen as chump change by then, Holmes doesn’t wait to pay his star players, Justin Jefferson is now gonna want 35-38 mill if you keep waiting

[@saraxiong]

Lmao imagine talking shit to a team when your team wins a division once in 30 years. 🤣🤣 It takes your team 30 years to win a division, when you’re competing with only three other teams and draft top 10 almost every damn year for the last 30 years. 😂😂 Quit flexing that tiny wee wee. Talk about small wee wee syndrome.

[@maxpowers3494]

​@@joshuaburns4242I think JJ will want more honestly.

[@ChrisHester-yd4sw]

Bull💩, he’s a 1st round pick cause he’s white lag him alone, but Kellen was a 3rd round pick and in my opinion he’s 5x better than JJ , and Jud always have something bad to say about any black qb Minnesota had

[@robe2504]

Sam Darnold was pretty decent at the Panthers - he went 8-9 over 2 seasons with that roster, 4-2 in 2022 after they had traded CMC. If he can do that with the Panthers, I could easily see him winning 10+ games with the Vikes playcalling and roster. He can zip the ball pretty well too. Have a look at some of the balls he fired into DJ Moore.