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[@omniviewer2115]

Well, I'm already on record saying I won't be comparing GXK to GMO. The only thing which might change that is if there really are parallels between worth discussing, but it's unlikely.

[@SasquaDash]

7:00 Exactly, the movie should be viewed on it's own merits and not how it compares to another film. I'm genuinely worried that people are going to bash GxK mainly based on it not being Minus One.

[@duncandonuts5268]

I've never smiled more watching someone get on Oscar. This was great to see.

[@great-white-lynx825]

As a fan of Godzilla in general (MonsterVerse, Minus One, Showa, whatever Godzilla it is), when I heard Minus One got the oscar, it made my day, screw the tourists, let the REAL FANS do the cooking and the talking.

[@nerdfreed9345]

I want Biolante back, and to have a real scene not like a blink and you miss it. Godzilla vs. Biolante was one of the movies my dad and I enjoyed to no end and I still think of it and him whenever I look at eithee the magic card, a picture of my dad or any reference material

[@kaijucanuck4492]

Biollante is my favourite Heisei movie and I totally agree - she has huge potential for either a future Toho or Monsterverse movie!

[@plagueslayer]

Tbh the tourists made it hard for me to be super happy for Godzilla winning a Oscar

[@kaijucanuck4492]

Never let the minority bring you down brother!!

[@chito2701]

@@kaijucanuck4492 while i agree with you, the problem is that most of those critics that is already bashing GXK have massive followings, i'm 100% sure that they will bash GXK to oblivion, videos left and right being uploaded, trying to act like expert.

[@IndominusRex-wc1ey]

​@chito2701 then it's our job, as the fans with brains any larger than walnuts, to make sure that the critics who don't understand the media they're covering are educated or, if they refuse to be educated, potentially driven away (not gate-keeping, more... keeping away dumbasses)

[@gloopyfeather]

Agreed!

[@pranavvenugopal8987]

@@IndominusRex-wc1eyI agree,there has been too much of critics misunderstanding media Godzilla minus one and Godzilla x kong the new empire are trying completely different things and it is stupid for critics who know not of the matter they are speaking of making statements that contradict what the movies are trying to do

[@Sgt.Dornan117]

Thanks for conveying your concerns, I have the same worries. Everyone learning the wrong lessons from Minus One, the videos put out by grifters and tourists seem to be indicative of that sadly.... I love Minus One but the whole response to it has brought an idea to mind that I've been thinking about lately, is gatekeeping okay and if so to what point? Don't get me wrong I don't wanna turn anyone off from Godzilla but at the same time the recognition is bringing in a lot of riff raff to the community. Those same grifters and tourists are gatekeeping as well when they say there's only 3 Godzilla movies worth watching, how many people are they gonna turn away from the rest of the franchise? It's kind of a complicated topic, just some food for thought

[@kaijucanuck4492]

I'm always thankful to see more people with genuine interest in Godzilla. Unfortunately, that will also mean more people with less-than-genuine intentions. I'm just glad to see the community come together and push back.

[@MonsterKidCory]

Gatekeeping is a necessity, but you have to make sure you're clear about what you're gatekeeping and how. Let me tell you a story... In the late 1990's, I was introduced to the genre of Steampunk. At the time, Steampunk was just a lose and somewhat tongue-in-cheek description for any random retro-Victorian science fiction. I actually started one of the first websites and e-mail lists for Steampunk, and it was just a bunch of nerds sharing a love for Jules Verne, Disney's Atlantis, and things like that. Then around 2007, we got this sudden influx of people who actually prided themselves on not being into the old books and movies and things like that, but rather, into inventing a Post-Goth fashion and Punk politics and things. That was when Steampunk broke into the mainstream and you started seeing all these photoshoots of people in their brown costumes with superfluous gears and things. These people took over all the online Steampunk spaces and began insinuating themselves into positions of authority (mods and so on), and using social and executive pressure to kick out all the old timers who weren't into that stuff and didn't acknowledge their appropriated authority. Basically, we didn't gatekeep them, which allowed them to turn Steampunk into something totally different and elitist from what it used to be, and they in turn gatekeeped us out of it entirely. One of my greatest regrets was ever helping popularize it to begin with, because it became such a source of pain for me for a decade. And this sort of story has repeated over and over again across fandoms in the last decade. They didn't gatekeep, and as as a consequence, they were forced out of their own hobby and watched helplessly as it was twisted into something virtually unrecognizable, while the people who appropriated it gloated. So yeah, no... Gatekeeping is important. Gatekeeping is good. Gatekeeping matters. But you have to be careful about gatekeeping. The purpose of gatekeeping is to welcome and inform people who are interested in your hobby AS IT IS. Who you're trying to keep out are the drama queens, elitists, grifters, and trend jumpers who are just trying to capitalize on your hobby. It's really a kind of behaviour that you're gatekeeping against. Who you're selecting for are the people who love your thing for what it is and want to be involved in it for what it is.

[@IndominusRex-wc1ey]

9:17 let Yamazaki cook. Uprising was made by a different director iirc, so just let Yamazaki cook. His ability to make actual masterpieces is noteworthy enough to let this man COOK

[@kaijucanuck4492]

Toho's gotta give him a budget and leave him be!

[@IndominusRex-wc1ey]

@@kaijucanuck4492 tbh toho could give him a budget of like 40 or 50 million and he'd probably make the best Godzilla movie in history only contested by the original a second time lmao

[@l.abuddy23]

Godzilla x Kong: I'm excited for the 2v2 that will go down in the Hollow Earth! I enjoy a lower-stack, slow-burn movie, but I will always enjoy a spectacle when it presents itself in a movie theater. It has been there ever since I watched Transformer 2007.

[@whyareyousubbing]

Tourists: Godzilla minus one won and oscar take that hollywood! Oppenhimer: "wins 7 oscars*

[@ciyoduhkriter]

Meanwhile, Minus One wins 8 awards at the Japan Academy Film Prize.

[@JustAnAstronautPerson]

​@@ciyoduhkriterkilled him dude. LOL

[@justinpritt7897]

@@ciyoduhkriter I see this as a absolute win!

[@KingDrakoTyrell]

Of course.

[@korggg123]

Well, to be fair, Oscar is a 'local' film festival, where local films get most attention because it was originally designed for American films. If Oppenheimer wins one of the 3 major film festivals (Cannes, Berlin, Venice), then it would be more comparable to Godzilla minus one winning at the Oscars

[@planetbumble5060]

Im trying so hard to ignore all the aggravating takes but I still find myself getting worked up when I see them 😅. Just need to keep reminding myself that they're a vocal minority, that this movie means so much more than that, and that Minus One, Monsterverse, and Godzilla in general are all equally valid in my eyes and thats all that matters. Id really love to see a collab between the Minus One and Monsterverse teams someday, Ive always wanted a Godzilla vs Godzilla.

[@suchotator]

Yea, End of the day they're all just the minority. We should all just calm down and relax, I do love the idea of a Godzilla vs Godzilla though

[@nicolestimothy9921]

The fact that Toho and Legendary are collab together. What else Legendary could have the rights for Godzilla in day 1?

[@raptros]

The tourists are unfortunately the biggest negative although i am super happy for Godzilla, you're absolutely right, the tourists were going to ruin it, whether it would be to dunk on the MV movies or like every other movie TOHO has done after 1954... Demanding STANDARDS from the community when they have no standards themselves having watched like one movie and ignored everything else....

[@Tahri_0]

I love you and your channel, You're so well spoken and smart and professional despite your channel not being as bigger as many others. You deserve all the attention you get brother

[@kaijucanuck4492]

Thank you that is so kind of you to share

[@mlgodzilla4206]

Grifters when they realize that there were still plenty of American films that got rewards. Some even getting more rewards than Minus One: 🤯

[@90zillas34]

Genuinely hate how Godzilla minus one wasn’t celebrated for the 70 years of films but instead was used as another culture war against Hollywood because a bunch of grifters need to make money

[@suchotator]

And they're also a pain to a franchise. These people? They're not here to make Movies great again. They're here to make it suck. Despite them being these so called "Critics" In reality they're bunch of lunatics who wanted money and what better way to make more money by juicing out more clickbaitty content and Ai generated images. These people are the opposite of fans, They don't care about you or the franchise. They just do it for money. At least that's what i think in my opinion

[@maxiskhan5818]

You all should not be worried or concerned about what bogus KZbinr has to say about the movie. If you enjoyed it either because you just got into it or you have been a long time Godzilla fan. Just enjoy the movie for either it’s seriousness, corniness, or wackiness. I screamed in complete joy when I saw it win an Oscar so forget what a KZbinr has to say.

[@chito2701]

MINUS ONE is a blessing and a cursed the Blessing is that GODZILLA is finally being recognized the Cursed is that the TOURISTS will make garbage takes on the MONSTERVERSE, I can already see the amount of SALT review video's for Godzilla x kong being bashed to oblivion. creating another rift between the community, infightings and civil wars.

[@Chadzilla_the_Keyblade_welder]

I loved Minus one, but what's been starting to scare me about it's colossal success is that it might end up becoming the standard and central identity of the entire franchise. Like how it's been weaponized to attack the rest of the franchise and having people trying to force the idea that Godzilla doesn't work when it's not being serious and not having messages. That Godzilla being anything fun or different is objectively bad. When it isn't. It makes me scared that Toho and even Legendary could take that as correct and decide to stop doing different things. They could sacrifice the variety that made Godzilla such an appealing franchise and just choose to rehash Minus one over and over again for the next many years to come. If this does end up happening and people keep using Minus one to shame the rest of the franchise, I can honestly see this causing some people to actually turn against Minus one. I personally wouldn't blame them. This could potentially turn Godzilla Minus one from one of the most loved entries, into one of the most divisive entries in the series.

[@Sgt.Dornan117]

I agree to a point but I'm a bit more optimistic because of the way TOHO operates, they are a bit archaic and they have a definitive standard on what Godzilla should be and have the final say on projects. Current day Godzilla proves that TOHO understands that many different iterations of Godzilla can coexist.

[@Chadzilla_the_Keyblade_welder]

@@Sgt.Dornan117 I'd hope. I don't want Godzilla to end up like other franchises I once liked, where they stopped being creative, gave up variety and started playing it safe just for the sake of being successful. And the drama surrounding Minus one vs the MV is really starting to make me feel like most people don't want variety anymore. They just want Godzilla to be done in a very specific way. If this where to happen, I don't honesty think the franchise would be for me anymore because what made Godzilla my favorite fictional character and franchise was it's versatility.

[@DrakeTheCaster]

If they do a sequel I do hope they sorta make it a spiritual sequel to Godzilla Raids again and put him up against Angirus. Spikey boy needs some love and a chane to remind everyone he was the OG opponent.

[@UnfoundFilms]

What do they mean Godzilla winning embarrasses Hollywood?? Who do they think runs the Oscars that choose the winners??

[@necrodamus5481]

After a certain bad youtibe video essay and many other that followed we probably should gatekeep a bit

[@MonsterKidCory]

I'm so nonplussed at Hollywood and the Oscars that I was indifferent to Minus One winning... The Oscars have a longstanding tradition of snubbing genre films, relegating them to technical awards because they're nOt rEaL CiNeMa. Best Sound Editing is the de facto Best Science Fiction, Horror, Fantasy, or War Film category. Minus One should have been up for Best International Film, but the Oscars are a cesspool and anti-genre. I didn't even watch, and instead did a livestream where we just discussed the best genre films of the 1930's 😆 As for a sequel to Minus One... Well, it already has a pre-sequel in the ride at Seibuen 😄

[@kaijucanuck4492]

Yeah award shows like the Oscars have proven to mean less and less each year. Listening to Eminem talk about not wanting to be at the Grammy's is hilarious

[@spider2598]

I thought the director wasn't going to make a sequel.

[@suchotator]

Alright let's breakdown My thought A: Those people or grifters, Toursist or Normies. They know nothing about Godzilla, Heck in fact they're only familiar with the popular ones. You see these types of youtubers are hurting the brands of other franchises, Doktor Skipper he didn't bother do any research because he lives up to his name(He wasn't a huge fan of Godzilla, But still he should have done research). He skips Information, He never take the big fat book the size of The Lord Of The Rings Novel..No No No he skips, And when people don't do research for information you're gonna get called online like " Hey this guy got it wrong, Godzilla isn't even public Domain, Its the image that is. And then you're gonna get called out for. Oh yes what else? Mr HogRider reviews putting the word "Godzilla Minus One wins the oscars and embarrasses Hollywood and the woke media" in his thumbnails just for the clicks. Well to be honest that guy must have achieved nothing, The only big achievement i think he only did is just embarrassing himself on the internet, They called out Hollywood for their WoKe aGeNdA. Buddy i don't care what's woke or not, One thing you people should be doing is go outside and touch grass so that you've finally "Woke Up" from your slumber. Anyways that was Section A and i apologize if they sounded too cliche. On to Section B B: Ah Yes Sequels, People love them, People hate them, And they're most of the time not good. If Minus One wants to do a sequel then that's alright, But..The problem is..Do you have a plan? Do you have the solid idea to continue the story? What Monsters you're gonna add? Anguirus? Mothra? Rodan? King Ghidorah? Well you have a lot of choices. The bigger challenge of making a sequel is how do you make it good like the first one? How do you surpass it? How to recapture that magic in the first film? What's even also tricky is when you add another Monster like Anguirus or Mothra it starts to take away the human characters focus and along the way potentially make them annoying unintentionally. Now that's the problem there, Yamazaki is a good director but at the same time not every directors have a clearer idea for a sequel, But i do heard that if he ever gets to direct a sequel then it probably would have explored more of the curse Godzilla left on Japan. It might even also expand on the black dot that is on Noriko's neck. What i imagine is that ever since Noriko has the black dot on her neck it makes her connected to Godzilla, Probably like what they did to miki saegusa for her psychic connection to Godzilla. Or maybe Godzilla will use Noriko as a way to observe and spy on the humans via a connection with Noriko. I know it sounds crazy and redundant but theories can get crazier most of the time. On a personal note whatever happens to Godzilla im always gonna be there, I've watched Godzilla when i was little and i grew to love the Big G himself. I even make my own versions of Godzilla stories. Whatever those people say like " Oh lOoK GoDzIlLa hAs gOnE WoKe" They can screw themselves off. I love Godzilla and i'll love it Not for a decade, A century or A Millennium but forever. GOJIRA MOSURA SORE SORE SORE SORE GO GO GO GODZILLA

[@lautaroasis60]

6:39 WOKE godzilla FLOPS. Hollywood ruins 70 YEAR OLD franchise. By Ben Shapiro ft. The Quartering

[@BaslightBatekeepBoyboss]

The monsterverse doesn't even touch the "woke" talking points. You're just that desperate to hate something, huh?

[@lautaroasis60]

@@BaslightBatekeepBoyboss do you understand irony??? I'm making fun of people like that...

[@UnfoundFilms]

@@BaslightBatekeepBoybosswhoooosh

[@tylerx099]

I know it’s a joke but I’m surprised Ben didn’t cover Godzilla winning an award when he did his review of the Oscar’s

[@shitanotosaurus]

@@BaslightBatekeepBoyboss I believe you missed the "by ben shapiro" joke.

[@mechakingghidorha9776]

I really don’t like the idea of a minus one sequel but if it has to happen than I would love it to be a Godzilla Raids Again remake. I feel it’s about time Anguirus gets sone love and minus one is basically a remake of Gojira so it make sense of the sequel was a spiritual remake of raids again.

[@MeesterMan00]

It's not impossible to simultaenously give full credit to the quality of Minus One and also recognize how Hollywood couldn't pull a film like that off. That level of care in writing and, of course, visual effects in relation to its budget is something that hasn't been seen out of the west in a long time. Just because some tourists are saying it, doesn't make it any less true. We can all appreciate the Legendary movies for what they've done for the character, but those just won't hold up as well. GvK's writing, even just compared to G14 and KOTM, was almost insultingly bad. But I'm still excited for GxK, for one last ride.

[@kaijucanuck4492]

I feel like we're on similar pages. I think Minus One's strength can be discussed without talking about it "embarrassing" other movies (as I said in the video, I feel like that actually denigrates the movie) or using it as a benchmark for a different interpretation of the character.

[@charizards2009]

If they make a sequel, I only want one. I can only imagine a story for a second one, and Godzilla truly dies no matter what for the ones I came up with.

[@TheMinority600]

Godzilla: "wins one Oscar out of 24" Clickbaiters: JApaN juST hUmilliaTED HollYwoOd Just shut up already. You care more about woke people than the movie itself. You're slowly becoming the very thing you despise.

[@raptros]

What's ironic even is that the movie won the oscar for visual effects, not best movie, imagine that, the very thing the American movies are "what about" according to them and you see them praising the human characters and the story this and that of minus one and how hollywood should be more like Minus one, and guess what gave it the win, the very hollywood side of the movie 😂

[@binks9624]

Do these Anti-Hollywood grifters know that Toho holds al lot of creative control on what legendary is ultimately allowed to do with Godzilla? Seriously, legendary probably had to get the pink spines thing signed of from Toho. I say just let the directors do their thing, cause it ultimately seems that they value Godzilla just as much as the rest of us. As long as we don’t repeat the mistakes made in 98 and the anime trilogy, the franchise will live and be frikin amazing.

[@Type3Toys]

I think a minus 1 sequel thats a vs film should be about godzilla fighting a bio weapon. A monster made by man kind, perhaps on accident (maybe it was intended to be a virus or something), but with the original intent to harm people. Could be an adaptation of Hedorah, Biollante, another “Godzilla” because his growth hormones were used in the weapons creation, whatever. I just think the story of the bomb/mechanical weapon allegory fighting against a bio weapon and how bio weapons are potentially the most dangerous when left unchecked, could be interesting. Thesis could be about how r&d just for the sake of it when it comes to weapons of mass destruction, is simply unnecessary and will inevitably lead to humanities downfall.

[@kaijuconnoisseur841]

I want Anguirus it come around. Possibly Mothra. Maybe have them in different halves of the movie. I want it to take place in 1954. Where the original characters are aged up, with some new faces. I wouldn’t mind a Dr. Serizawa to make an oxygen destroyer too

[@xxGojira54]

The Godzilla Minus One sequel would be cool if it was a remake of Godzilla Raids Again but in that more serious tone. I really wanna see Anguirus fight Godzilla. I haven't seen my boy Anguirus Literally in a Live Action Godzilla Movie for 20 years. Plus seeing how fearsome they made Minus One Goji i really wanna see how they make Anguirus in this new series. I wonder what new abilities would they give him? They upgraded Gojira's Atomic Breath so I'm wondering what would Anguirus have to go up against this version of Goji? I remember back in the day hearing one of the scrapped ideas for Godzilla Raids Again Anguirus' Shell would split open and shoot out spikes from his shell flaps. But due to budget constraints it was cut. That would be awesome to see that idea actually happen. But yea man I'm really excited to see what Yamazaki's take for a sequel will be.

[@craigjkb]

I was so dam happy the only reason I was watching it. Should have been nominated for best movie at least if wasn't gonna get it.

[@kaijucanuck4492]

💯💯💯

[@pendaflux]

There is something specifically silly about saying that Godzilla’s Oscar is a message to Hollywood. Hollywood gives the Oscars! If anything it’s a message from Hollywood to the world.

[@charizards2009]

I did research, the reason why people say that is because of the amount of movies that sucked that came from the US recently.

[@spider2598]

​@@charizards2009I won't say all of them as there are some good movies here in the u.s. like some are good and some are bad it just depends on the movie and how people feel/view them.

[@KaijuKitty]

I've always been of the opinion that Oscars mean nothing really. I don't really care about "tourists". I don't watch their videos, I don't give them the views and I don't let them take any of my mental real-estate.

[@kaijucanuck4492]

I enjoyed listening to Eminem talk about why he thinks the Grammy's are full of shit

[@KaijuKitty]

@@kaijucanuck4492 I wasn't aware he said anything like that, but he's not wrong. The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame is a bunch of bullshit too. I like what I like and I don't care if the artists and media I enjoy win any awards, almost better if they don't. Sam Raimi has never won an Oscar, and Evil Dead 2 is the greatest film of all time (I will die on this hill).

[@panduallen6712]

I still held the view that when something gets a sequel, or even evolved into a franchise, it bounds to be less and less realistic and more over-the-top. They always tries to one-up the previous one and avoid telling the same story and gimmicks as the first. Prime example is Godzilla itself. The enemy always being more and more bullshit and it introduced stuff that will make you think "how tf did we go from here to here". Another example is again, MCU. How tf did we go from rather realistic armor fighting terrorist and greedy businessman to nanomachines, time travel, god stones, and universal eco-terrorist. Or Fast saga. It all started with undercover cops and some race, then they put rockets on a car. Another Japanese example is Gundam. Ok fine, space psychic, wire-guided weapons controlled by mind, oh my god tf is this, time travel machine, super robo power up, special attack using ghosts, immortality by having your consciousness absorbed by the mecha, sentient metals, black hole reactor, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if Minus One ended up having some kempy-esque aspect too in the sequels. Yes, maybe not immediately, but if it becomes a running franchise it could be just as ridiculous as MV. Cuz ofc, the main trigger is, they can't just make a Minus One again, it's redundant. Goji vs human again? Not sure. Ah yes, Goji vs another kaiju... whoops, we're the dangerzone, folks. First indication. But who knows, maybe I'm just seeing a pattern that isn't there and Minus One would stay true to the 1st even as a franchise without "devolving" into what the tourist would consider "not true goji movie"

[@kaijucanuck4492]

I think you're right. I used to watch Supernatural and that show was great until Season 6, at which point it became increasingly ridiculous all the way to Season 15 (!!) I prefer when stories work within the rules and confides they establish early on - if they keep making things grander they run a serious risk of becoming silly

[@stabster9366]

It's definitely a fine line to walk. Either you keep doing the same kinds of stories and risk becoming stale or boring, or you introduce new ideas that might make the stories more over the top and ridiculous.

[@-samart2004-]

Honestly as much as I'd rather reviewers not mention minus one while talking about the new empire, I feel like the circumstances make that impossible. I feel like the very first trailer for GxK was just released way too early because the massive tonal shift we saw from minus one compared to gxk was well, massive. I remember seeing the GxK trailer after having already saw minus one, and the tonal shift was honestly just very jarring. That's not to say that I dislike GxK or anything, infact I'm actually really excited to see it, but again as I said, I feel like the circumstances will unfortunately most likely make it impossible for minus one to not be mentioned in gxk reviews

[@reallycantthinkofausername487]

Good writing and storytelling is a universal concept in movies that no matter the tone of the film should always apply. Comparing the monsterverse to any Godzilla with good characters (rare as it may be) shouldn't be discouraged just because of tonal differences imo. Most people are under the assumption people are now asking for only dark gritty and serious Godzilla films, and while some of course are, most are just asking for good movies

[@spider2598]

​​​​@@reallycantthinkofausername487 true but the problem I have with those people is that they don't offer suggestions on how to make improvements other than just saying I just want a good movie. Edit: that's just my point of view you can agree or disagree on it.

[@reallycantthinkofausername487]

@@spider2598 Actually fleshing out the characters before putting them in the story would help. Ford is the shining example here, he wants to get back to his family... and that's all we know about him. We don't know what he likes, we don't know what his goals are beyond this, we don't know his relationships with anyone else besides his dad, nothing

[@spider2598]

@@reallycantthinkofausername487 he wants to know what killed his wife and has obsession on wanting to find the truth so I would say that's a goal.

[@spider2598]

@@reallycantthinkofausername487 sorry I got your answer mixed up. I thought you were talking about the father. my bad. Edit: as for Ford he does have personality since he has a stoic nature and is deeply concern for his family while I'll agree they should have done more on him he does have a personality just not explored more.

[@amovieguy14]

You never seen The Blues Brothers!? Oh you’re missing out, dude!

[@kaijucanuck4492]

Username checks out

[@nihilisticpuk]

These casuals really do be the worst types of fans lol

[@hoodedmullet8194]

You really gotta watch Blues Brothers. It's a classic

[@lautaroasis60]

For a sequel, if it will be on the same tone and he decides to take the monster fight challenge he said he wanted to give a try to, then he really will need to make big decisions, for example will the new Godzilla even be as strong? Stronger or weaker beam? If it is stronger does he actually want to nerf his regeneration? balance it by maybe giving the new version a new weakness? And then the whole other kaiju, and then the story on top of that, it could take a couple years for him to feel satisfied with a script, maybe one or two, even 3. But im sure he has already had a couple sequel ideas while writing minus one all this time, its almost impossible not to wonder what happens after the ending fade to black

[@kaijucanuck4492]

Since they've shown that traditional damage doesn't hurt Godzilla for long, I would LOVE for them to do Anguirus or Titanosaurus as the enemy Kaiju and give them some kind of sonic roar that doesn't hurt Godzilla but it disorients the shit out of him

[@lautaroasis60]

​​@@kaijucanuck4492 Yea, the only problem is that the atomic breath was made so OP, that if it did not oneshot the other monster, it would be ridiculous, i mean, it even hurt G when he wasn't even getting hit himself. I dont know if this means the power creep will take over the movie and make the humans useless (the thing he says he fears falling into) If the monsters are too strong the human story will become irrelevant.

[@IndominusRex-wc1ey]

Ok hear me out Negagoji's ability set doesn't need to change at all, since he's an overwhelming force that IS what Godzilla is I have a suspicion tho that Noriko will be the opposing kaiju. Negagoji doesn't need to change when his opponent would ALSO be an overwhelming force *Biollante*

[@lautaroasis60]

@@IndominusRex-wc1ey hey... You are right, all the enemy Kaiju needs to do is heal as fast as Godzilla. Maybe Biollante or Hedorah can both work

[@IndominusRex-wc1ey]

@@lautaroasis60 even if they don't regen fast, if they just have ways to counter Godzilla's speed regen or ways to out-muscle the heal factor to a point of just being a non-factor. Biollante fits all 3 bills of high regen, ways to counter it (acid) and ways to best Godzilla down to a point of it just not mattering Orga can also work too because his whole thing is healing... like look at bro in RoE not only is he a menace combat wise but bro is also regenerating after being blown apart

[@zcreates6988]

I would like to see Anguirus in a godzilla minus 2

[@UlsterHound77]

So, before I get into my argument, I'm going to criticize Minus One so I don't get called some blind tourist when I make my point. Minus One is good. Great even. But it is NOT perfect. The ending was a bit too short. About 5 minutes could have been taken out of the middle to pad out a stronger ending. Noriko's survival was a little too contrived and undermined some of the emotional impact of loss. Furthermore, the ejection seat was hinted at a little too much. I watched the film in Japan with no subtitles and yet knew the ejection seat was coming. That is pretty blatant. The opening scene with the A6M landing has some spotty CGI as well. So, with that out of the way... Minus One and the Monsterverse are apples to oranges. They should not be compared. That being said, the Monsterverse should not be treated as immune to critique. Something I have noticed in the recent year is that Monsterverse has become a sort of "sacred cow" of sorts. All criticism, any form of criticism at all is instantly and outright dismissed under "Bruh, it's just supposed to be fun bro. You're not supposed to think bro." This is outright a fallacy. There is a VERY vast chasm between "Artistic and Deep Cinema" and "Just simple dumb fun." And similarly, dumb fun doesn't mean you can't demand that it be GOOD dumb fun. The amount of times I have criticized that the series didn't appropriately use the Oxygen Destroyer, or that the films give nothing to make you remember or care about the human characters or establish compelling and escalating stakes and been dismissed with "Bro, it's not supposed to be Minus One or 1954 bro! It's just dumb fun bro!" is too many times to count and is the leading reason that makes me concerned for the survival of the fandom as a whole. Criticism should be directed at all movies. Even Minus One. My criticism above is for one purpose. Because I want the next movie to be even better. If criticism and critical dialogue is silenced outright under the excuse of "just have fun bro" then there is no way to supply feedback to the creators because we "killed" the critics. The fact of the matter is that the Monsterverse has weaknesses. 2014 fell a little flat in the second half after Cranston's character died because the rest of the cast wasn't compelling and they were too conservative with showing Godzilla. KotM was bipolar and couldn't seem to decide if it wanted to go for a pure "fun" tone like Pacific Rim or stick with the tone of 2014. GvK leaned too much into the Whedon-esque style of directing where there has to be a funny quip and quirky characters without the substance to back up any the characters as compelling. Also, as indicated with Minus One and in my opinion one of the underdiscussed elements, it the scoring. Desplat's score was forgetable. I think McCreary did well blending Ifukube's work and his own take, though I think he maybe relied a little too much on the chants. But not terribly so. GvK had an ok score. But a score is in many ways, the glue of a scene. Naoki Sato's scoring is good because it very well conveys the feelings of each scene. This is an issue of Hollywood as a whole that they put out some epic bangers in a film, then sort of just... don't bother with the rest. But I won't press that too hard. Scoring isn't a primary but a secondary issue. Further, I want to wrap things up with one cold slap of reality. "Schlocky dumb fun" is nice. But if we don't allow criticism and dismiss critics as elitists for daring to give anything other than gleaming praise, more mistakes will be made and they won't be improved upon. And it WILL end the series. Godzilla 2014 Box Office: $529m ($693m in today's money) KotM Box Office: $387m ($470m) GvK Box Office: $470m ($538m) No film has outgrossed the 2014 film. With inflation, GvK just BARELY outgrosses 2014 when not calculated for inflation. Yes, it was a pandemic release. That being said, it also means, unless GxK grosses in the range of $600m+... then the series is facing declining viewer counts. And sorry to break it to everyone. Money doesn't care if it's Minus One or Pacific Rim Uprising. If you can't bring in more money with each release, then you are in a decline. And that is why we should demand that each MV film be the best it can be. Not by Minus One parameters, but the best it can be within the framework they are operating within. The highest grossing film is Kong: Skull Island, surpassing even GvK if you calculate Gvk for inflation and don't for Skull Island. $569M ($720m) I want more movies and to get more movies, we have to expect good quality from each film and improvement with each film.

[@kaijucanuck4492]

Appreciate the fleshed out thoughts! I agree that the Monsterverse should be critiqued, and I do have my issues with it, I just think the direct comparisons to Minus One are bad faith arguments.

[@queve2]

Tbh, as far as I know, minus two is gonna never end up the way Uprising did, and I have two reasons for that: 1- Yamazaki is gonna direct the sequel, so there's not gonna be a change in the tone (hopefully) and he's gonna respect everything from his past work. 2- Toho confirmed the sequel by saying "It's gonna take whatever it takes so the product end up with good quality like this" just that, for me, is a green flag and the best decision I've heard from a movie company in years, so there's that

[@iamhungey12345]

Imagine if one of the sequels features SpaceGodzilla.

[@TheMemeking45]

Haha believe me Mr H is so damn negative about everything, it shocks me how people like watching his content.

[@suchotator]

Might as well call him Mr Hater

[@TheMemeking45]

@@suchotator haha for real, and he wonders why he's only been at 300k subs for years

[@UnfoundFilms]

He used to make actual content then realised that right wing outrage clickbaiting was lucrative. Now he’s just another grifter.

[@Sgt.Dornan117]

Oh boy I've got a lot to say about that roided out freak. But I don't wanna waste my own time and anyone else's. All I'll say is he's more thin skinned than the people he calls out and criticizes, and it's not because of all the diarrhetics he takes....

[@justanaveragesloth4141]

Everytime I hear the turn off your brain thing I just think of yms saying “but unfortuantly the device that i use to appreciate films is called a brain" A minus one sequel I would like it to be set in the Cold War specifically the Cuban missile crisis where nukes are far more powerful than little boy, America and the Soviet’s are at the brink of nuclear war, Castro has nukes and everyone around Kennedy is telling him to invade Cuba and then America finally meets what was attacking Japan back in 1945.

[@Martinmd12-zt7vu]

It sounds like you somewhat agree that Minus One embarrasses Hollywood. I would still use the analogy of that high school project, specifically focusing on how money was strictly utilized. In my opinion, it does embarrass Hollywood, as it demonstrates that having a talented team should outweigh financial constraints.

[@kaijucanuck4492]

If Godzilla Minus One was the equivalent of two peanut butter lids and a copper pipe, maybe. But it's not, it's an expertly done movie that earned its place.

[@Martinmd12-zt7vu]

@@kaijucanuck4492 and I totally get that. I’m just strictly focusing on the money and which one achieved its overall goal.

[@faithslayer202]

I literally can't stand the upcoming minority base to echo this B.S. argument.

[@Zimzilla99]

I think the point you're making about "tourists and grifters" is fine. But ultimately, Mr H is the worst example given he didn't start talking about Godzilla when minus one started. I also find the use of the word's tourist and grifter without defining them or having enough sufficient proof for the label is a bad trend.

[@G55544]

Ya

[@tylerx099]

I know we shouldn’t compare minus one to the monsterverse. But tbh, the human characters and overall story of minus one outshines the monsterverse human elements. You could argue G14 could rival it but G14 has problems with its human cast besides a few moments with some of the characters. I’m sorry. Ford Brody is not an interesting character to me lol.

[@kaijucanuck4492]

I legitimately forgot that Bryan Cranston was in G14 for a while

[@user-di7px9lm9t]

I’m so proud that my big buddy won an Oscar I’ve loved the big guy since I was 5 in 65 he deserved one long ago he made more movies then some great live actors the story will be around a long time cuz the franchise evolves with the times. Kong don’t have the storyline as Godzilla big g is a fictional character how many situations can you put a big gorilla in before redundancy comes to play why do you think legendary is keeping Kong with Godzilla Kong can’t last on his own movie wise. You can believe me or not Kong don’t have powers like Godzilla he’s just a big ape.

[@ThisPodKillsFacist]

8:39 You have to see Blues brothers it's such a funny movie

[@bruhmoment3106]

I used to watch the Oscar’s a lot when I was younger but I didn’t watch this recent one. Call me out if I’m wrong here but this isn’t the first time I’ve seen this. It’s kinda weird on how the whole “Hollywood is woke” angle breaks sometimes. I get where this criticism is coming from and how overall movies are failing to meet expectations because they’re pandering to an audience that doesn’t care about films and all that. But when the logic fails is when Hollywood doesn’t bother getting a translator during the minus one acceptance award. If the Oscar’s or Hollywood cares about this image of inclusivity and how we as Americans care about representation of other cultures and all that, it’s kinda funny that they don’t bother getting translators and just let the crew talk in Japanese and let a translator explain in English. It’s weird to have a category for foreign films and fly them out to participate in the awards ceremony only for them to demand an explain on their possible acceptance speech in English, while simultaneously doing that “we are about diversity.” All it takes it just hiring someone who knows the language and doesn’t mind public speaking. It’s kinda funny that the game awards ceremony has multiple translators to have any Japanese game director explain how they’re thankful for the opportunity and the reward in Japanese while a translator explains in English (it may have something to do with the majority of the video game market is Japanese companies but my point still stands on having translators during these kinds of awards ceremonies) What’s also unfortunate is I know those foreign films don’t have a chance to make it best picture category unless you’re already an acclaimed foreign director like Hayao Miyazaki or Boon Joon-Ho, and even then they still don’t respect any of their works unless you adapt their work in English or “why do I need to read subtitles to enjoy a movie” crowd

[@roosterwithnoname9020]

Exactly.

[@saveriovinci1212]

(7:38) Your right there are a lot of classic or beloved movies that have terrible sequels. But at the same time there are sequels to great movies that some might argue are even better than the originals like for example "Aliens", Terminator 2", "The Good, The Bad, And the Ugly", "Shrek 2", and "Bride of Frankenstein". Heck theres even some sequels that might not have done well at the box office or might not live up to the first movie. But then over the years it gets a cult following like "Ghostbusters 2", "Gremlins 2", The Star Wars prequels, "Lion King 1 1/2", and even "The Lost World: Jurassic Park" has been getting some love from fans lately (at least from what ive notice). 📉🎥🤔🤷💿📈 (10:31) What I want in a sequel to "Minus One" is to see the small chucks of Godzilla's body start to regenerate and become like mini Godzillas (with one big one of course). Also to have Godzilla fight Ganimes, the Giant Octopus, Manda, Ebirah, Gezora, and Titanosaurus. Have a big underwater fight and call it "Godzilla Minus Two: THE TRENCH" lol. 🐙🦀🐉😁👍🦞🦑🦖