Mirka Deros Random Orbital Sander [video 406]

[@jackleg693]

What I love about your honest opinion is for a complete newcomer like myself, on a very low budget - any expenditure on a tool is an investment. I can’t afford to buy something that doesn’t work. This review doesn’t rule out this sander but it does give depth to why some are cautious to recommend. Thank you for sharing!

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! Must emphasise that this is a really, really nice sander, so particularly sad to have the reliability thing hanging over it. I’d recommend watching Leo’s video for the absolute ‘owners view’. 👍👍

[@thehairygerm1792]

I've had my Deros for around 4 years and it's been well used. From fine sanding to stripping paint off badly painted window sills, it's done a lot of work with not a single problem.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Good to hear. Thanks! It does seem odd that some guys in the trade can hammer them and have no issue at all, whereas some have major warranty claims within only months of very light use. 🤷‍♂️👍👍

[@thehairygerm1792]

@@10MinuteWorkshop guarantee mine will break next week now after saying I've never had any problems with it 🤦‍♂️😂

[@StrawbyteWorkshop]

Hi Peter. I would like to see how this sander compares on its principle marketing claim, namely it's zero dust claim. So get your bin bag and gaffer tape out for a follow-up! 😀 I've had a loan of one for a weekend and I was impressed and concerned in equal measure. The best performance was from the abranet sheets but when I went and bought some to replace what I used I was staggered at the cost and they are very fragile when sanding edges. Something Keith mentioned. With standard sheets the dust collection wants as strong and left alone questioning the value. I hadn't considered the 5" 5mm stroke advantage but then I'm not sanding for a living. And now I'm entering the professional furniture making business I'm still inclined to plump for festool as my investment for finishing. Anyway as always great video. 👍

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Karl! Yes, I suspect t the ‘dustless sanding’ claim is only with abranet , and probably their own extractors as well. I’m not a huge fan of abranet either, for those reasons and a few others.👍👍

[@metalzonemt-2]

We've been using that ( a lot) at work for about 7-8 years, the power cord has been changed once. It's been kicked and dropped several dozens of times, but it still works like a charm.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Good to hear, thanks! 👍

[@markkoons7488]

I like very much your clear explanation of your expectations, Mirka's failures, and the evasion of their response. You didn't call for a boycott but boycott is my response to lies from suppliers.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! To be clear, this is a fantastic sander, just with such mixed user experiences. 👍👍

[@johnrumm4786]

Hi Peter, Interesting video, thanks. I have been using the 5mm stroke CEROS for a few years now (as a keen amateur furniture maker and DIYer). I have not had any reliability issues thus far, so can’t really comment on that or on the support from Mirka. In use I really like it. The key issues for me are handling, low vibration, performance, and dust collection. I have not found anything else that can match the handling; the low weight and the compactness makes it feel more like an extension to your hand, and that makes for great control. Easy to use in any orientation and to balance on edges. Previously I would not have tried to use a RoS for knocking the arises of a board, but with the CEROS its easy and feels natural . As you said, far less top heavy than anything else out there - I can see why folks used to using air sanders in body shops like them so much! The paddle control is different from a trigger, but personally I got used to that quickly enough. The variable speed control using the paddle is less useful, so generally I find myself setting the max speed on the buttons, and just using the paddle “full on” most of the time. Vibration is very low - although not zero - but masses more comfortable than the Bosch RoS I used previously. Performance really shines - loads of power, and if you stick a 40 grit disk on, it will eat though rough finish removal etc really well, while also giving a very fine finish on higher grits. I have never regretted getting the 5mm orbit version instead of one of the “finer” ones. Dust collection with mesh abrasives is excellent (I have not tried any other than the Abronet ones - are there others you prefer?). With the normal “punched” sheets its not quite as good, but still very good IME. (buying a 30’ pack of 32mm dust hose from Rutlands is also a great way to make up long extraction hoses to hand tools with a slightly less cumbersome hose, without forking out the silly money Mirka want for their slim hoses!) Vibration is also very low which again I really like if doing a long session. I use a 5” pad on mine, and have recently bought a 6” one for it (apparently the 3”, 5”, and 6” pads are all interchangeable between the various machines). I just need to find where I left the pad change spanner now :-) Kind regards, John

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Hi John and thanks for the detailed reply. Yes, as I say it’s a really nice sander, and I’m glad your is working well for you. Not a particular fan of abranet - always found it tears easily and the grades don’t match what I’m used to - it Granat mesh is good, and the multi-hole Sia abrasives from Amacus are very good. 👍👍

[@johnrumm4786]

@@10MinuteWorkshop Yup I know what you mean, while the abranet give me good longevity while flat sanding, they are easy to damage by snagging on edges etc. I will try some of the alternatives next time I need to restock.

[@anthonymiddlesex6859]

ive got a bosch 125/150 absolutely brilliant …...had it for 10 years never replaced a Velcro pad cant recommend it enough

[@bluewren65]

Yeah, I just checked that out and it looks great. I've got lots of Bosch stuff and it has never let me down. Good design, great engineering - they just work.

[@Hal34700]

Hello Peter, Thank you very much for this information. I hesitate between the Mirka Deros and the Mafell EVA 150 E / 5. Do you have an opinion on this Mafell sander? Thanks again.

[@WobblycogsUk]

Fantastic review, felt well balanced. I've got the Festool you mentioned and I while the price brings a tear to your eye (in my experience) you only pay it once. I tried out the Mirka and, I have to admit, it felt better in the hand but the lack of compatibility with other kit , even down to the power cord, just puts me off. The backing pad breaking the speed controller is complete bull. If I'm paying that sort of money for a sander I expect it to survive everything short of catching fire. Certainly day to day use shouldn't ever be a problem. Dust collection wise I honestly didn't see anything to separate the Festool and the Mirka. I'm pretty sure when I sand with the Festool my workshop air actually gets cleaner.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! Yeah, it’s a really nice sander, but we do seem to have this division where some guys get years of flawless service out of a tool that’s absolutely hammered, and yet some have multiple warranty claims in just months of very light use. Throw in the power-cord niggles and crazy in-app purchases and it’s a bit of a head-scratcher. 🤷‍♂️👍👍

[@chevyimp5857]

Best sander I've used . The speed control fail after six months of daily use on mine(2018),. But was replace under warranty.. no problems 18 months down the line.. Similar thing happened to a friend's.. incidentally I bought mine after using a friend's on a job.. I've used all the well known brands and reliability issues aside it's such a great design, low vibration good dust extraction, its comparatively quiet ,light weight and compact with great ergonomics..having said all that if it fails in the near future I probably revert back to festool .

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! Yes, it’s a cracking sander for all the reasons you say, but the speed controller and motor do seem to be prone to failure, which is a concern. 👍👍

[@didzmarello888]

How much would it cost to replace a speed control? And can you replace it? 🤔

[@chevyimp5857]

@@didzmarello888 not sure .. as I say mine was replaced under warranty.. still going though strong as of today

[@okafka5446]

@@didzmarello888 You can replace the speed controller, and if done by the company entrusted with Mirka repairs I seem to remember I was quoted around £150.

[@jemo_hack]

This is such a well and balanced opinion, I think that with those cases and the comment from the manufacturer is a no-no solution for my end. I’m a Hobbyist and having a premium product, which should outlast my needs is the reason I go premium. Professionals IMHO do it for longevity and features, how quickly or how best do I finish this job, and if the end result is a guessing game and been out of action for a week or two on a premium product, then this is not neither I premium nor should anyone invest in a product the company is going you “IMHO” BS about their clearly documented failures from others. Well said Peter, love you factual balance when discussing these products and the fact you put them through the pases, makes it even more credible, certainly to the way Mirra responded to those failures.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Jose! 👍

[@BischBaschBosch]

Got a Bosch GEX 125/150 AVE which has 125 and 150 interchangeable pads. Has a somewhere in the middle stroke of 4mm. Bit of a lump but, with it's dual chasis is possible the smoothest sander to use all day. Used it to strip and re-finish a couple of boat hulls - all day long work - no numb fingers.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Cheers Stew! Good to know - I’ll take a look. 👍👍

[@mechanoid5739]

I agree! I bought one of these and the vibration levels are minimal. Also great to have the option to change pad size.

[@sebastiaannoppe]

@@10MinuteWorkshop have to agree here, the Bosch is great. Comes with 3 pads !

[@stank9203]

I’ve had mine for a number of years now and only a broken power chord in that time .The best sander I’ve owned

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

It’s a great sander, and I’m glad to hear you got a good one. 👍👍

[@paultay23]

Hi, Peter, I did loads of sanding a few months ago with a Bosch Pex 220 ros and suffered badly with VWF, after a lot of research on sanders with less vibrations I reluctantly purchased the Mirka DEROS 5650CV 240V Orbit Sander with 50 Abranet Discs, Hose & Case for £407.. (I did get 200 Abranet disc FOC in replacement for a knackered Wickes ros with their promotion, worth about £100).. Anyway after using it I now suffer no aches and pains in my hands and the dust collection is brilliant. But as soon as I purchased it my nieces husband (a Festool fan ) who is in the painting trade told me to expect issues with it, he like you sent his back... Fingers crossed but at this moment I am well pleased with it.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Paul, good to know. As I say in the video, it’s a great sander, but I know a lot of guys in the painting trade who have had problems, not just woodworking KZbinrs! Fingers crossed yours is a good one - be very interested to hear how you get on with it in future. 👍👍

[@vdis]

What's your verdict today? And how's your VWF after 3 years of working with the "new" sander? I assume you still use the DEROS?

[@seanswoodworking]

Im almost afraid after watching this that now my beloved mirka will develope problems. Purchased in 2016. Three days after purchase cord fried out. My primary vendor is burns power tool( simply one of the best) had a new one on the counter for me. 4 years later I have only replaced the dust port. It was dropped many times. I made my peace with the paddle early on. Now hitting the power while changing disc is pure habbit. I had ended up on your channel looking at mafell tracs. Love me festool gear but in the states I feel it is chronically under powdered. Great reviews and professional insight!

[@atasoy]

Hi there; I want to buy a Mirka Deros to sand my epoxy work. There are two options in front of me, which one I choose will give me a better performance and result. Mirka Deros orbit 5.0 or Mirka Deros orbit 2.5?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

2.5 will give a finer finish. 👍

[@grahamalexander7230]

Hi Peter, nice video as ever ... looking for a 5" sander 5mm stroke look no furthur than the Metabo Random Orbital Sander SXE 425 TURBOTEC fairly new I think I purchased one and its brilliant also your not stuck to proprietary sanding discs as many other fit well, unlike the festool. PS I have the feeling you can switch the 150mm pad out and fit onto the other as well as part numbers are the same (or other way round 150mm to 125mm)

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Graham - I’ll check that out! 👍👍

[@gijssegers]

From the looks of it Metabo bought a couple of Mirka’s and replaced the body to match the color scheme.....

[@danielgs4992]

I’ve had my Deros for 3 years and used it for hundreds of hours without a single fault. It’s the best sander I’ve ever owned. I also own the festoon rotex 150 which is brilliant but very big and heavy. For lighter sanding or anything high, or when you’ll be holding it for hours each day, the Deros win hands down. The rotex is excellent when you want brute strength.

[@daversj]

Pro carpenter and have thankfully no problems with the Deros after 3 years moderate use. I use a traditional $100 palm sander outside when dust collection isn’t critical so the Deros gets a break. I love it. The ability to sand spackle over your head dust free and also use it as a polisher on vechicles makes the cost easier to swallow. The 5mm stroke was a major reason for choosing it. I also have the both size pads. 5mm stroke with 80g screens cuts pretty fast. Not as fast as a rotax but its good enough for most tasks. I could see how a damaged pad could quickly ruin the bearings but not sure it would affect the ESC unless it was really bad. Motor controller failures are usually from heat, bad components in manufacturing or poor design. That part should be less than $50 to the consumer. Hopefully a new version of the ESC fixes the issue. So far no problems here.

[@ineedasecond]

Since I was an apprentice I used air sander so for me the deros was a good choice. I did like it while it worked however in under 2 years it had a new backing pad and sent off for repair now I’ve got it back but it’s out of warranty so it’s 1 of them delicate tools you don’t trust to be reliable. It’s more than earnt it’s money back but for the price I’d hope it would last longer.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! Yeah, this does seem to be a bit of a worrying pattern; they either seem to work forever, or beak within warranty then you have to treat them carefully. 🤷‍♂️👍

[@kpandinu]

Hi Peter not sure about the stroke but i have a festool ro 150 and i love it. I normally work with hard wood and in also work with resin. To be able to flatten slabs all the way to polishing with same sander is a big plus for me. Festool sanding pads last a long time if attached to vacuum and i would say almost little to no dust

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Hi Adrian, and thanks! Yes, the RO150 is a 5mm stroke, great sander, very versatile, but a different animal to this Mirka. 👍👍

[@louiesworkshop2023]

Thankyou Peter, I have a 150rotex and an ra90 from festool and to,complete I was tempted with the mirka but as you said there has been to many guys with horror stories, stay well and keep safe, regards Louie

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Louie! 👍

[@slhasebroock]

I'm a Festool guy but NOT for sanders. I have 5 Mirka sanders, a Ceros, 2 Deros, a Deos detail sander and a 3" Air sander. There Abranet paper along with their excellent sanders are the best in my book. Dust collection, balance, center of gravity, (that's why the design like the body shop air sanders) create a smooth sanding experience for me. No jumps and jitters like the Festool and other sanders I have owned in the past. I love the speed control flap and the ability to SET the max speed of the flap control with the electronics. I have never had a problem with any of my Mirka sanders. Quite frankly love honest reviews that point out pros and cons, but clearly you have an anti Mirka bias for some reason. Yes I am a Mirka defender, but because of my excellent experience with their sanders.

[@johnwatson8192]

I've had my Deros for just over 3 years and up until yesterday I've been very pleased with it. What happened yesterday I hear you ask; I had been using my Festool DTS400 to sand the front door to re-coat it with some Sikkens woodstain and I kept getting little trails which I put down to clogging of the Granat pad so I switched to Granat net, increased the speed and slowed the feed, it did help but I thought that I would use my Deros with Abranet on it. Plugging it in nothing happened hmmm, strange. Finished the door off by hand and then started investigating. Fuse and lead ok, more lateral movement than I thought was OK but it did turn freely. Blew the ring main circuit breaker trying it again. Spoke to Mirka repair technician who told me how to check it. Wires still attached to motor ok, 4.1 ohms on the 3 connectors on the left side so ok. I'm guessing (and will confirm it this afternoon) that it needs a new speed controller at a cost all up of around £200 with only a 3 month warranty - very very disappointed! I'm a DIYer and I have used it a reasonable amount in the 3 years but nowhere near what a tradesman would do. I justified the expense against having the hall stairs and landing replastered vs sanding down but with a speed controller costing virtually half the price of a new sander - that sucks! I'm now thinking of getting a Festool which are even more expensive but I'll wait to see if Black Friday brings any reductions.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Ouch! Unfortunately the speed controller does seem to be particularly delicate. I’ve had this story many times - light home or trade use, then it just pegs out and is expensive to fix. 🤷‍♂️👍

[@johnwatson8192]

@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks for putting out there, let's hope that Mirka take notice (and offer reduced price speed controllers!)

[@magicmaui77]

I've bought two of them. The first one in 2014, pretty much when it came out (already the 5650CV with 125/150mm pad included) - gave it to my father-in-law after one year of use, and straight away bought another one for me. This year, the bearing on the first one had to be replaced. Other than that, I'm very impressed they still keep on going. No other repairs in all those years renovating 4 houses from basement to roof, sanding EVERY plaster and dry wall .. Abranet is amazing for those type of jobs. Very little to absolutely no dust, very long life. I've run this thing 2-3 hours non-stop countless times. Very light and ergonomic. One of the first brushless sanders if I remember right. I honestly don't know what I'd have done without one.. I use it together with a starmix vac, which I also hightly recommend.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Good to hear thanks! It’s a lovely sander. 👍👍

[@keefykeef]

Makes me wonder whether they've changed any components in the newer models perhaps - perhaps the older models were built to last ?

[@g1mpster]

You’re on a roll, hitting tools that I’m planning to buy this year. Been wanting to upgrade from my DeWalt cordless random orbit sander to something with better dust collection and less vibration. Heard lots of rave reviews about the Mirka and it seemed like the perfect tool. Hadn’t heard about all the issues until your video, so really appreciate the info. I know every tool will have its complaints and so I try to build a “tool profile” from the negative comments that tries to adjust the feedback based on my impression of how justified the complaint is as well as the user’s experience level based on the way they write about the issue. I can say that just from the comments in this video, there’s enough there to make me believe that these are not issues caused by improper use of the tool, nor are they issues that are blown way out of proportion, and it’s plenty enough for me to say that I’d only buy this unit if I could get a screaming deal on it, but most likely will have to choose something else that has a better reliability track record. And like others have said, whenever I see a manufacturer intentionally choose to remake a standard off-the-shelf part into a proprietary part that doesn’t provide nearly “must have” functionality, it really turns me off to the whole brand, so I really appreciate you calling out the power plug. That’s pretty inexcusable to me.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! The tragic thing is it’s a really great sander - I’d love one, I really would, but I just can’t bring myself to do it. And yes, I’m afraid the power lead is just inexcusable. 🤷‍♂️👍👍

[@interceptor7905]

Perfectly explained mate,totally agree

[@ginawhite1503]

Looking at the manual, it appears that you can disable the paddle by pressing up and down at the same time. This puts it into a mode where you control the speed solely by the up and down buttons. It isn’t clear to me if it switches out of this mode when you turn the sander off.

[@richardmcveigh9667]

I have a Deros for 3 years... love it... it broke while under warranty and was repaired! :)

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Great sanders! Glad you got it fixed under repair. 👌👍

[@xX88B88Xx]

Loved mine. So lightweight. Sold it after having to get it repaired twice in 1 year and bought a festool rotex instead.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Seems to be a common issue. 🤷‍♂️👍

[@garyblake3130]

For years we have used the festool air sanders, and they really are the best I have used in conjunction with the festool air extractor. They do the job and rarely go wrong, and that is using them on solid wood 99% of the time. I see the mirka ones more as a finish sander for as you say de-nibbing not really a general purpose one for flushing solid timber like oak down. I do own a makita version of the festool rotex and that works remarkably well when used in conjunction with the correct extractor. I am a big fan of mirka gold discs though, very few on the market as good and with the staying power. The backing pad on all of these sanders is important and I think more people should buy the pad saver to use between the disc and the pad and you will find they last a lot longer. You do need to be careful with the more heavy festool sanders that you do not drop them as while they are very robust it can cause damage to the pad and make them appear that they are out of balance when it is usually a damaged pad.

[@gibsonmac1981]

That is my all time favorite sander. The paddle did take some getting used to for me, but now I love it. The balance is perfect for me. Ive never had a problem with mine. The mirka response about the speed controller seems dubious to me.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

To be clear, I love the sander. But yeah, lots of ‘dubious’ here. 🤷‍♂️

[@mechanoid5739]

The paddle/trigger is a throwback from the pneumatic sanders. All the pneumatic sanders I have used have that style of trigger.

[@BischBaschBosch]

@@mechanoid5739 I think that's what Mirka were going for with the Deros design. Their pneumatic sanders are well regarded in the automotive industry. Seems all mirka have to do is up the build quality in line with their pneumatics which lets face it, for not much shy of 500 quid they should have been doing already!

[@OldManTony]

I was considering a Mirka, but I will probably stick to the cheapo DIY ones. I’ve had a JCB branded one for many trouble free years, the only downside is it’s difficult to fit a dust extraction hose, but with the help of duct tape you can make anything work.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

If it moves and it shouldn’t - duct tape. If it doesn’t move, and it should - WD40. 👌👍

[@Fictitious_Character]

And here lies the rub. I'm a Festool guy and have considered this sander a few times over the years and reliability is the primary concern, and the paddle being a secondary concern. I can probably adapt to the paddle but reliability is important. Here in the states the current prices are ETS EC 150/5 $539 + tax. Deros $663 +tax. The 5" pad for the Deros is an added cost that makes it $703 + tax. The ETS EC 150/5 is back ordered with some pretty long lead times at the moment. I do have an order in for the ETS EC but the Deros is easily found and I could have it in hand next week. I am not a hobby guy I expect these tools to make me money, but all my Festool sanders have lasted well past warranty and have never been sent in for repair. Which leaves me thinking stick with what I know works, or roll the dice and hope i'm in the lucky group of Deros owners. I do wonder if any well used Deros can make it 7-10 years though. The app is a let down. Not even the basics of lifetime tool use hours counted? Thanks for posting the vid as i'm on the fence.

[@alanwoolstenholmes3532]

My Mirka was repaired 3x in 18 months and then failed outside of Warrenty with very light use so went back to festool.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Good info, thanks! 👍👍

[@-_AjB_-]

I use Mirka abranet 120 and 240, but recently switched to Mirka auotonet for 80 grit. Much more durable.

[@WombleUK]

Totally agree with the Bluetooth comments. When Mirka first announced the Bluetooth feature I made it clear to them it was ridiculous they had not implemented anything worthwhile like "security" which will disable the tool in the same/similar way that Milwaukee ONE-KEY does, making the tool worthless if stolen. Mirka seemed to have added Bluetooth without bothering to implement anything of use (almost more of a fashionable addition), Milwaukee ONE-KEY lets you actually configure the tool such as speeds/torque etc.

[@scalewarmachines]

Great video Peter, very interesting as usual. Will catch up with you soon. Take care!

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Martin! Yes, let’s have a chat soon. 👍👍

[@zephyr1408]

One word! BOSH ! Actually more the new Bosh that is beating out the one u hate & The one u love!

[@JaffaSumo]

Good to see this video before i ventured into mirka land... Festool sander still going since 2007, Says it all really

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! Yeah, shame as the Mirka’s a *really* nice sander. 🤷‍♂️👍

[@sierkdejongh8984]

Very useful video, I am looking into buying a random sander and I was thinking about this DEROS. I really want a 125 mm, and I do not need a very big stroke. For the rough work I still have an old ROTEX 150, so I will probably get a ETS/EC 125/3. Too many of the comments show controller troubles or other problems from which Festool seems to be free. Although I must say I have a RTS400 which i returned once for a tendency to jump out of y hand. They looked into it but did not fix it, so I sent it in again. I then got another one which has been behaving perfect uptill now.

[@spencereagle1118]

I agree about the paddle being a bit of an annoyance, you have be careful where you put the tool down, what it's next to and so on, I've even had a small bit of thin ply fall over and set the tool away on the bench. That said it's from an automotive pedigree where the paddle switch makes extended sanding sessions easier and more intuitive. I've run it's forerunner, the Ceros, for several years without issue (they are still available). The most impressive thing about them is the dust extraction when using the correct Mirka mesh disks, even with plaster. Not come across any reliability issues other than a friend who had one burst into flames in his hand whilst up a ladder!

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! Yes, the automotive/air background plays it’s part, certainly, and I do like the size & weight. Not a fan of abranet, but there are other mesh abrasives around, and good to hear your ceros is still clogging on. 👍👍

[@christianjanes]

Wow Peter I’m sure you’re opening a can of worms here. Love it. They lost me at making a lead like that!

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Yes, I think that and the in-app purchases irritates me ore than anything tbh. 🤷‍♂️👍

[@LeeroyReading]

I’ve had my Deros for several months, sent the first one back as the “brake” took 10 seconds to wind down to a stop. The second one has slowly gotten slower and slower for the pad to stop and is up to about 7 seconds. Pretty disappointing considering the price point. It is nice to use but it should be flawless. My next sander will be another FESTOOL.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! Yeah, seems to be a pattern; some folks seem to get a tool that didn’t miss a beat in many years, others get one that’s plagued by silly faults. 🤷‍♂️👍

[@tuva600]

When the pad gets worn, it will change the pads resonant frequency (i.e. the frequency with the highest oscillation amplitude), which in turn could (perhaps) make the motor work harder to counteract the unwanted oscillations. However, if they already have a gyro/accelerometer built into the device to sell vibration metrics, then there is no reason the same sensor(s) could not be used to detect a worn pad which is causing excessive wear, and alert the user. It sounds like this is a case of bad thermal design... In most (high-end) electronics, it is standard to use a thermal watchdog sensor on the motor-controller board and the motor itself, so that the machine will turn itself off in case of excessive heat buildup. Completely unrelated but brushless DC motors is a marketing term for small three-phase AC motors. The “electronics speed controller” is a three-phase converter.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks. Yes, I understand why a worm pad may impact the speed controller - just that like yourself, I’d expect them to have designed a system that would accommodate it. Didn’t know about the 3-phase thing though - very interesting, thanks! 👍

[@afisher555]

Really like my Mirka. I think one of the problems is that the power lead needs to be pushed in really well. It can still work half way pushed in (mostly), and I think that throws people. They think it is the sander that is intermittant, but it really just the power lead. For me, having used all makes and models in high end furniture making shops, I prefer the Mirka Deros. I got mine from Axminster as a refurbished, for the 'problem' I just mentioned. It is not intermittent-just a simple connection! I saved a fortune, and it is great.

[@afisher555]

I have used mine regularly for over 4 years or so.

[@juyhfrty]

Had mine for over 6 years, love it. I find the paddle and hand shaped top very comfortable. If sanding walls and ceilings, it’s so light and comfy, that alone makes it a great buy. For the same usability Festool, it’d be 2 sanders approaching 1k compared to 400 for this. I have a Metabo 450 that I use for heavy stuff, the aDeros for everything else. My only issue is this nagging feeling it will pack in as others have and that isn’t good for a premium product. I’m not a Festool addict, I buy their gear if good, others if better. I have the Mafell track saw as think it’s better than Festool, the Deros as prefer it to Festool, the Domino because it’s fab etc etc. Dust extraction is superb, for that alone, it’s worth it

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Excellent, glad to hear it’s working well for you. I really like it too, small, light quiet, great dust collection (expected at this level tbh) fantastic that you can use 150/125 pads. But as you say, there’s this nagging doubt about longevity, and that’s not what you want at this kind of price point. 👍👍

[@scoonie9966]

You like what you like so it’s hard to change tools when something is working and you’re already having success, regardless of how “great” ppl say it is. Unless you have an issue/need with your current setup, brand, name and functions will be a non-factor, especially when the current festool is the same price. Human nature and needs. I use to use your basic dewalt orbit and thought it did fine until I had an issue/need (vibrations) then I moved to a Bosch ROS65VC and thought that was amazing till I had an issue/need (weight and ergonomics for fine finishing cabinets and edges was tedious). Then the Mirka deros came along and I absolutely love it. Light weight, balanced, great dust collection. I moved and transitioned b/c I had issue and a “need”. I needed to upgrade so transitioning was easy. I have no issues with Mirka b/c it’s the best of what I’ve had or experienced and have no issues. If I were to switch to a festool, I’d probably find little nuances too, just because I enjoy my Mirka and it’s working and there is no “need” to change. So Peter’s review is 100% legitimate and agreeable. He’s not saying Mirka is bad, there just wasn’t a “need” to switch from his current setup/tools so I totally understand his return. Keep it up Peter, love your work 🙌

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thank you! To be clear I really like the Deros as well now I’ve spent some time with it when the pressure’s off a bit. No, it wouldn’t fit into my system well without making some changes - but I totally understand why people love it. 👍👍🙌

[@andrew5792]

That switch format is very common with air driven random orbital sanders.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

It is, yes, and that’s Mirka’s background, in automotive air sanders. Doesn’t make me like it any more though! 👍👍

[@dietmarfinster3176]

I own the mirka and I also had problems in the beginning.It has been resolved.There is now an eccentric sander from flex, with a bl motor and its own suction The price is 280 euros in Germany Greetings from Schaumburg German

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thank you! I don’t know the Flex sander, I’ll look into it, thanks! And greetings from London! 👍👍

[@dietmarfinster3176]

@@10MinuteWorkshop I thank! great video. the video of the lamello p system convinced me to buy a machine.

[@kevoloan7708]

Hi I’ve had my marks sander for 3 years now and as you say my two have been flawless useing them almost everyday as I’m a decorator

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

That seems to be how it goes - they either run flawlessly, or they’re problematic. 🤷‍♂️👍

[@elmirmesic2177]

Just purchased ETS EC 150/3. I looked into Deros, yet kept reading about the issues with durability you mentioned.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! Yes, the issues are quite well documented if you care to look for them. The ETS EC is a nice sander. 👌👍👍

[@-_AjB_-]

3 years pro use. Used on ever single job. No issues whatsoever.

[@James-lo5ne]

odd I've burnt out 2.

[@frankslittleworkshop]

Nicely done Peter 😁. This type of price point is way out of my league, but I can 100% see how tempting it would be to get one 🤔. More importantly, I must commend you on this video for how you have compiled the feedback from the likes of Matt, Keith and Leo who have all had issues and presented it in a "constructive way" and for the colaberation with Leo on the loan (don't forget to give it back..... he has a workshop to build 😂🤣😂). So thanks Peter for the video. Stay safe 😁👍

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Frank! Yes, it’s a cracking sander, just such a shame about the uncertainty around reliability; honestly I’d expected to have more ‘best sander I’ve ever used’ comments, but the majority seem to start with ‘reliability aside, it’s the best sander I’ve ever used...’ so as lovely as it is, I’m still not sorry I gave it back! Now, wether Leo gets his back is another matter... 😆😂👍🤷‍♂️

[@laszlofabian]

I just received yesterday a brand new one, the no load vibrations increase dramatically after attaching the sanding paper. I guess their balance is very sensitive, a used pad/ sanding paper will disturb it :) this happens just at the two highest speed setting, but definitely feels unhealthy for the tool as it also gets warm fast, without sanding, after 30seconds it feels really warm. I will not take the long time bet and will just send it back.

[@vdis]

The DEROS has weights underneath the disk that needs adjusting when you use interface pads or heavier sanding paper. There is a video from GO Industrial explaining the details. Search for "Mirka Deros Installing Weights Explained".

[@laszlofabian]

@@vdis Thanks for the tip! That makes sense, just maybe Mirka could add this in the box, as for me it was scary vibration and sent it back. I was afraid to hit some lengthy warranty back and forth as some other woodworkers.

[@shedlife1783]

I brought one a few years ago and returned it. There's a vibration setting inside you can change via a nut but they locktite it so you cant change it. Talking to Mirka they basically said its a deign fault so disabled the ability to alter the vibration setting. Not what you want to hear when you've spent 400 quid so I returned it.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Interesting, thanks! 👍👍

[@steenfraosterbro3268]

Hi Peter, you do get a Festool 125/5 sander but it runs on air (LEX 3 125/5). I thought the Rotex 125 did 5, but it's only 3,6mm. I do like that yellow color though.I have bought maybe 7 Festool sanders over the last 30 years. Have never had one break down, only stolen 😢

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! Yes, I always forget about air sanders as their not on my radar at all. 👍👍

[@dgpictures5]

Hi Peter, just thought I'd share my postive experinces with the Deros, had mine about 2 years now with no issues and great results. I favour gripping the tool from the top, using my palm to control the flappy paddle, rather than my thumb like you were showing in the video. Have you tried that? I find you have much better control that way. I know what you mean about uncertainty though, I'll admit after seeing Matt and Keith's issues it has got me worried about reaching the end of my 3 year warranty! Thanks for another great video.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Hi and thanks! I’m really pleased it working for you - it’s a great sander, and I’ve had many folks say the same thing - been worked hard for years and hasn’t missed a beat. But Imm also hearing about a lot of in-warranty failures, and concerns about future repair bills. Re the paddle, the fingertips control wa skits to demonstrate it - if you do it with your palm nobody would see what was going on. 👍👍

[@dgpictures5]

@@10MinuteWorkshop Hi thanks for the reply. Yes I suppose I'll see how it goes, fingers crossed mine's one of the lucky ones that keeps going. Ah that makes sense re the paddle operation demonstration, I didn't think of that.

[@ianelley]

Hi Peter, yes I've got one too and yes it had to go back after I think the first project I used it on! I was told there was a problem with the motor as well. Thankfully the after sales experience was good. I'm not a lover of the thing to be honest, I don't like the flappy paddle, always seems to get in the way, I'm sure this could be resolved with a thumb operated switch on both sides of the main stem. The speed buttons are difficult to press and I don't see the need for an on/off switch in the handle either. The finish is ok, dust extraction very good but there's more vibration than I was expecting, I've been told to keep an eye on the bolts that hold the plates on and to be aware of it going out of balance making the vibration worse. The whole thing is expensive , so are any add ons, would I buy one again ? Juries still out on that one !

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Ian! I think the on/off on the handle is to accommodate the flappy paddle ie so you can switch it off to flip it over & change discs! Your experience seems to reflect a fair few others. 👍👍

[@ianelley]

@@10MinuteWorkshop Yes that makes sense, and so it seems to make the switch sealed but I just find it difficult to operate and often as not forget to switch it off in any case !

[@tonkatoy200]

Wow, that is a shocking excuse from Mirka. I was trying to decide between Festool and Mirka and that alone has just made my decision for me.

[@skipmcgrath]

I love my Mirka Sanders. I have the six inch, the 3x5 for inside panels, and the the mini 1" touch up, set up in my sanding station. They are work horses and have never let me down. I do big customs kitchens and these help me get a fabulous finish fast. I can scuff sand 40 primed doors in about 40 min. I got rid of a festool 3x5 as it bumped around too much. Exchanged it for the mirka and it was way smoother to operate. I think the Mirka has perfectly flat pad and fantastic ergonomics.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Sounds great, and glad they're working for you. 👍

[@marcvandeberg5616]

Hi Peter, mayby this is the one: Bosch Professional GEX 125-150 AVE

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Marc. I think it’s a 4mm stroke but definitely worth a look thanks! 👍👍

[@ecuadorianme]

@@10MinuteWorkshop that's the one I own. I bought it for the low vibration claim which I must say is true.

[@andreykrastev6978]

Hi Piter. I would like to recommend you the BOSCH 125-150 gex ave, I have one for years and I am very happy with it. The orbit is 4mm and there are few types of backing plates (soft, medium and hard) also the 150mm plates have two options for the dust holes patterns. Dust collection is very good even with dust box. I have used it for refinish floor edging because I was not happy for the results after floor edging sander and even for entire landing. vibration control is excellent. I worth to try it. Thanks for the video.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

I'll take a look, thanks! 👍

[@christhompson7125]

Hi Peter, I am sure the Metabo sxe 150-5.0 has both 150mm and 125mm if you were to purchase the 125mm backer from metabo it also has the 5mm orbit. Its a good sander I have the 150-2.5 which I really like. It also looks similar to the Mirka!

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Chris. I understand that the Metabo is the older (non-Bluetooth) version of the Mirka, rebadged, so yes, I’d expect t it to work well! 👍👍

[@uliman100]

Milwaukee make a sander that you can switch between 3mm and 6mm circular stroke... it is however a Ø 150mm this particular sander is made in Germany

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Yes, it's a rebadged Metabo, I think. I used to have the Metabo, great sander 👍

[@jes1111yta]

I have an air sander with that flappy thing on the top - hate it for all the same reasons as you. Strikes me that the Mirkas are aimed at the autobody folk. And I reckon if I was willing to pay Mirka money I'd get a Rotex anyway. I just bought a Bosch GEX 125/150 AVE - interchangeable 5 and 6 inch pads, 4mm stroke - best sander I've ever had - a bit heavy and tall, but the low (and I mean LOW) vibration makes up for that. I fitted a Festool socket tail - very handy.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Jeremy. Yes, I always forget about air sanders - not on my radar at all - but I agree, I think it’s where Mirka background is. 👍👍

[@Badgerworkshop]

One good point of them is like Festool they really hold their price

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Yes indeed - very rarely see them come up used. 👍👍

[@leegreen287]

Maybe not so much after this review. I've been wanting to swap from my big Makita (can't recall the model) to a mirka as this seems way more ergonomic, but that "flappy" paddle would do my nut in, too.

[@bluewren65]

Wow! I was hoping in the future to get one of these and now I'm, honestly, scared. When doing my complete house renovation just about everything I bought - usually top middle tier or top tier (tools and appliances) - broke down shortly after purchase and had to go back. These were items ranging from $100 to $6000. Each time, from the company I heard: gee, you've been unlucky, these hardly ever come back. One thing about buying quality is that at least you get excellent customer service (unless you are buying Hammer/Felder - don't get me started). Must say that my Bosch tools have never let me down and are still going strong. I wanted a deros because of all the features you mention, plus the abranet, plus, even for a woman I have very small hands and so many tools are designed with guys in mind. With my previous bad luck I'm sure if I bought this I'd be screwed.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

The comments seem to be split 50/50 on this one; half have had exactly the same issues, half have had none at all. 🤷‍♂️👍

[@bluewren65]

@@10MinuteWorkshop Turns out Bosch does a 125/150 sander with a 4 mm random orbit. They even provide an extra 150 mm disc that has more holes in it so that you can use sandpaper from other companies. Given that I have the Bosch vac I think I'll go that way. If in the future I want to go fancier then I can, I guess.

[@cliveclapham6451]

Have a Deros with no problems, nearly always use a pad saver. On my list to change to a Neutrik 20A connector, which I've done on all the decent non Plugit tools. Expect to put them on the Festools too at some point too. I think the Deros transitions well if you've done any car bodywork with a DA, the press to turn off is a slight pain agreed, and the non-standard plug is stupid, and the cable is horrible and poor quality. 😱 gona change that plug next visit the workshop.

[@chrislaing7153]

I admit that it is 150mm, not 125, but I like my Metabo SXE250. This is switchable between 2.5mm and 6mm. With Abranet, it has great dust collection. It does have the weight of a housebrick, but that is good on large horizontal surfaces as you can simply guide it with one finger.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Yep, had an early version of that sander. Great sander. 👍👍

[@animationcreations42]

I must admit, I prefer an on/off switch compared to the trigger and lock, and especially to the stupid flappy paddle thing . I just bought LIDL's 20V Parkside sander yesterday to with the rest of my collection, hopefully it's a bit more reliable than the corded version as I've already had it replaced under warranty (they just sent out a complete new unit and let me keep the broken one. Will come in handy for parts I imagine!)

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Nice - can’t fault Lidl for their warranty procedures. !👍👍

[@aapoapina7390]

Dont know if motor problems are only in export units. Here in finland where they are made, i've used several mirka deros/ceros sanders literally thousands of hours professionally in the last 10 years and no motor problems. Most typical problem is the cord breaks near the sander where it wiggles and rounds itself tightly with the dusthose. One unit had a bearing problem after 6 month of use almost a 8 hour use per day. And yes bearings go bad after 3 year extensive use but thats normal when the machine has hunderds of hours of use. Perhaps issue in new mirkas are some bad part which they didnt use before also? Just wanted to share my experience.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thank you! The issues go back many years - there’s a thread in the Festool Owners Group board about them dating back to 2014 or so, but all from outside Finland, I think, so you may be right about the export units. And yes, I’ve also run my festool sanders literally all day long. Low vibration, excellent dust control, these are expected at this level, I think. 👍👍

[@JohnnyMotel99]

I had to denib a lot of MDF and bought a roll of Mirka Abranet, really like it for fine sanding, in preference to paper backed stuff.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Interesting, thanks. I’m not a fan, prefer other mesh abrasives, but it’s a personal thing, I think. 👍👍

[@JustTony72]

I've been thinking about replacing my old Bosch sander with either this Deros or the ETC EC 125/5. Would you be thinking about reviewing the Festool?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Don’t think Festool make a 125/5 just the 150/5. I’m not really in the market for one, but if I can get my hands on one I will. Leo @hand-i-craft replaces this Deros with the ETS EC 150/5 so I’d expect a review from him before too long. Great channel, well worth a subscribe if you’re not already. 👍👍

[@Mrfreezeee1]

LOL Mirka Mirka ,i ve had a Dewalt for years ,well the Velcro went on it a few days back letting one of the guys use it ,they sold some stick on replacement for about 35 Canadian bucks at one our bigbox stores ,so i said no and bought another sand a Bosch ,yes another 5 inch sander ,well yesterday on bought the replacement pad on amazon for the Dewalt for 21 bucks ,and i ve use even a 40 grit on it to strip down an old table top and old oak doors i think you know what i think of the Bosch sander huh ,and that flap thats like changing a table saw blade with it running Peter

[@marcvandeberg5616]

i bought a parkside 20V battery powered 125 mm excenter sander, amazing!

[@achimsabah5841]

Hi Peter, what I can highly recommend is the Metabo SXE 425 TURBOTEC. 5 Inch backing plate it does have a 5mm stroke.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! 👍

[@CPBuilds]

Friend of mine went through 3 Mirka's in less than 12 months and he said never again...he's the reason why I'm getting the ETS EC 150/5 and not the Deros.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! It does seem to be a bit hit & miss, wether you get a good one or not. 🤷‍♂️👍

[@CPBuilds]

Peter Millard I agree. I emailed Mirka asking them about some of the issues I heard about the Deros and asked if they addressed any of them...they never responded. Oh well...ETS EC 150/5 it is.

[@H190l]

Hi Peter, Not sure if your still in the market for a 125mm 5mm stroke sander, but I just came across the Rupes ER155TES/BOX. Should have swappable discs.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Got myself sorted with this one, thanks! 👍 kzbin.info/www/bejne/ame6pGZ4nNWSmKM

[@JohnSmith-qv3db]

The flappy paddle is from the automobile world, it doesn't sit well with the tradesmen tho. I'm a decorator and have both mirka and festool. The mirka is well made and has great dust extraction but I reach for the festool (ETS 150) every time.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks, yes Mirka have their history in the air-driven automotive industry. The Mirka’s a great sander but ergonomics aside the ETS 150 does a great job. 👍

[@philiprandall1399]

More a comment on the company than the product: I have a 11-year old Ceros and it is still going strong. About four years ago the dedicated/compatible Mirka vacuum packed up. Well out of warranty, I shipped it to Mirka's appointed repairer expecting a big bill. They phoned me up and said the vacuum had clearly failed due to a manufacturing fault and not through usage so they replaced the motor and refurbished the vacuum and refunded the cost of shipping it to them - all without me mentioning the words "warranty" or "goodwill".

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! That’s the kind of outstanding service that keeps you going back as a customer - and good to hear your Ceros is still going strong after 11 years, too. May I ask was this in the UK, or elsewhere? I only ask as I know that service levels can vary somewhat between countries.👍👍

[@philiprandall1399]

@@10MinuteWorkshop Hi Peter, this was in the UK.

[@dagored100]

AEG Power Tools OEX150E 230V 150mm Random Orbit Sander 3,2/6,4 sander i use and i love it

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! I think it’s the same as, or very similar to, the Metabo; had one before you could change the pad sizes, nice sander! 👍👍

[@mitchellkasdin1899]

Bosch has the patent for interchangeable disc sizes. Bosch plays nice with Mirka, but I think there’s some sand throwing once Festool is in the sandbox? I think Bosch is still pissed over loosing the injunction over sawstop on the T-Rex table saw with skin detection. Festool parent then decides to rub a little salt into the wound. Ha

[@johnbeckman8916]

Like the "Apple in the garden", what tempting and attractive features! 🍎 Awwwwwwww but those warnings. Is it to good to be true? Will I feel deceived after all is said and done? 😎 Big risk. 😎

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

🤷‍♂️ It’s a lovely sander. But lots of ‘questionable ‘ stuff surrounding it. 👍

[@xxnonstopdancingxx]

And this is why I hand sand unless I’m doing heavy initial work and then I’m happy to use my Bosch 600 and lose some finesse. I’m surprised that no one has really cracked this yet. Must be the ceiling on volume sales, it’s not like a drill that can be sold to millions of people.

[@Pistol_Knight]

I looked at that sander a few years ago, if the 'paddle' was the other way around! but for the price....no thanks, I looked at the Festool Rotex at a tool show last year but couldn't justify the £625 outlay or 'Investment' but if you doing a lot of sanding, thats the one to buy IMO, I have a 5" Makita which does just fine (corded, as with the battery for anything other than working on flat surfaces it hurts you arm after 10mins!) it replaced my 20yr old Dewalt 'palm' sander (which i still use with 60 or 80 grit for feathering paint, but the noise!!!!) If I wanted to really invest in a sander it would be a Festool

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Yeah, I have the Rotex and it’s a big, heavy sander. Fantastic machine, but not the ‘one sander to rule them all’! 👍👍

[@palereinhold]

Fixing KZbinrs with products... You can see the Mirka on several German Woodworking Chanels. The price is impressiv. I think black/green is a better Choice as yellow/black. The Bosch GEX 125/150 seems to be a cheaper Choice with more value for the money. I'm using a 30 years old green Bosch. For agressiv sanding i bought a GET 125.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

I’m using a 13 year-old festool. Works great 🤷‍♂️👍

[@eriksmith5898]

I bought the mirka it was more than €200 cheaper than the 5mm Festool I have a lot of festool sanders so I was kind of curious too. It works fine so no worries until it doesn't. Anyway to sand off paint I found the mirkas Iridium paper to be in a class of its own, beware that is rather course for its grit size. And it does not work so well with my rotex since the rotex rotates and smear the paint on the paper and not like the 5mm that rolls it up to small balls like gravel that falls straight to the ground. Now i got Iridium for all my sanders, I really dislike the net. For wood or hard paint I still use granat. One thing thou, Bluetooth on a grinder how useful is that? And then you need a special 24mm key to change pad when a tool-free solution would be golden, that's just mind boggling weird priorities. Oh and mirkas sleeve for the vacumhose is brilliant and lot cheaper alternative to hoses with cables in them. I prefer the sleeve.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks - I’ll take a look at iridium. 👍👍 And yes, the Bluetooth thing is weirdly pointless. As I say, make it part of a security feature and you could see the point, but as it is I don’t need an app to tell me it’s time to stop sanding. 🤷‍♂️👍👍

[@jasong8385]

I bought one recently. Used it 3 times on the 4th it wouldn’t turn on or even blink the lights. Most likely a fuse. I am worried because I bought it then stored it in my office for two years waiting on my Festool to die. Hope they will repair it without charging a arm and a leg.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Fingers crossed - let me know how it goes. 👍👍

[@SMee67]

No idea personally as I've not used one, though there are quite a few KZbinrs I follow that have had issues to the point of returning for refund or just tossing in the bin out of sheer frustration and disappointment. Hopefully you don't the right sander you're looking for, seems to be a few good suggestions in the comments. 👍🏾 Wish you well on your journey, mate. 👌🏾

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Cheers Bill! Yes, it such a shame; there’s a very long thread on Festool owners group about them, dates back to 2014/15 with folks having lots of issues; one guy went through 5 before calling it a day. 🤷‍♂️👍

[@SMee67]

@@10MinuteWorkshop hmm, took him 5 goes at it,,, not sure if that's determination or another run at delirium? 🤔😆

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

He bought from Amazon so he could return without any quibble. I’d have called it a day after the second... 🤷‍♂️👍

[@SMee67]

@@10MinuteWorkshop I got to say I'm with you on that one mate.👍🏾 Really is a no brainer.

[@teridzard1776]

Hi Peter, have a look at the Metabo SXE 425 Turbotec if you are looking for a 125mm sander with 5mm.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! I had the 450 ages ago and found it a bit top-heavy, but I’ll take a look. 👍👍

[@keefykeef]

Great video. Been looking forward to this one. That in app purchase, wasn't aware of that - wow!!! What are they thinking?? 😂

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Cheers Keith. Yeah, must admit I was surprised that the App Store flagged it as ‘contains in-app purchases’ - but not as surprised as when I saw what they were! 😱😂🤷‍♂️👍

[@bluewren65]

100 quid for an app is absolutely hilarious. I wonder how many takers they have?

[@ldooderino]

Do the Ceros sanders have the same poor reputation for reliability? I have one which i chose over the deros because of the size. I absolutely love it and🤞 have never had a problem with it.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

I don't know, I'm afraid, but anecdotally the guys I know who have/had the original Ceros have been happy with it, and no issues AFAIK. 👍

[@ldooderino]

Thanks for the reply Peter. I have just discovered your channel today and im 6 videos in! Superb content, keep it up!

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thank you! And welcome! 👍👍

[@michaelplays2449]

Good video thanks

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Glad you enjoyed it. 👍

[@Steinstra-vj7wl]

The sanders are WAY to expensive as the quality is not on par with the purchase price. Sold mine (it had a 2.5 mm stroke) and had the same speed break problem...while being brand new - never been used. Mirka should solve these problem(s) !

[@recipio6561]

Its a personal thing . I have the 5" Ceros and love it. The vibration free brushless motor and abranet system are a huge step forward ?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

I agree. Never liked abranet much, and I already have vibration free and virtually dustless sanding with the festool stuff. Brushless is nice, as is the size & weight, and it’s a really nice sander. 🤷‍♂️👍

[@paulcharman44]

I am not in the market for one, but the "flappy paddle" would be a definite turn off, I would consider it a safety issue. Interestingly, I have a couple of air tools with similar speed control handles, one has a safety lock device and the other does not. I have formed the habit of disconnection the one that does not when it is not in my hand.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! Yes, I think Kit’s just a matter of conditioning yourself to using it. Having revisited it, I’m much more comfortable with it now I’m expecting it. 👍👍

[@jacobporter4623]

If you used it for a month I think you'd find it harder to go back to a push button sander than using you'd find to start using this. I don't touch the manual speed adjustment on mine, just vary hand pressure - it's the most natural thing in the world but there's a very slight learning curve to it, like a clutch on the car. I actually wish more tools could be made like this. A jigsaw for example, if you like reverse scribing with the tool underneath the stock and the blade pointing out the top as I do, then a barrel grip jigsaw with intuitive paddle trigger would be something I'd definitely like to try

[@loxire]

how aboutt he maxxt sanders ?comes with both 5" and 6" as well

[@louismac1]

whats the difference between this and a delwhat hand orbital sander. does this remove material quicker

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Not sure which DeWalt sander you mean, but this is a brushless, low profile motor that is almost impossible to stall. Also,available,in a variety of strokes from 3 mm to 7mm I think, so yes, capable of removing material faster.👍

[@davidhull1610]

They look nice, but anecdotally they are not reliable. Bosch do a r/o sander that has low vibration, 4mm orbit and interchangeable pads - 150mm standard, 150 mm festool pattern and 125mm standard. Brilliant tool. I went for the Festool ets150ec. Very light, low profile, available with 3 or 5mm orbits and unbeatable reliability. If you want a vicious but controllable 125mm sander, you can't go far wrong with the rotex 125. And no, I am not sponsored by Festool( wish I was though!)

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks David! Yes, I have the Rotex 125, but I find it overly aggressive for ‘normal’ sanding in Rotex mode, and not enough (3.6mm stroke) in normal mode. I will be taking a look at the Bosch though. 👍

[@davidhull1610]

@@10MinuteWorkshop GEX 115-150 AVE is the model number I think

[@boldford]

The mention of longevity of brushes piqued my interest. I'm still regularly using my Elu 177E router on it's original brushes. And we all know how long ago that morphed into the DeWalt DW625. I do check them occasionally and there still plenty of meat left ion them. If it ain't broke. . . . . . . . .

[@Sly_Wolf_1]

Nice to here that, i too have elu mof 177, got mine in '96 or' 97 if memory serves me correctly. All i can say is it's bloody brilliant, they don't make tools like that anymore.

[@human0019]

What about the metabo sxe turbo 150mm with 2.8mm or 6.2mm orbit? Not 5 inch 5mm but close. I have the Deros and this metabo. Which is best...bang for buck the metabo.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Had the Metabo as well before I picked up my Festool. Great sander, ergonomics don’t compare though. 👍👍

[@BischBaschBosch]

@@10MinuteWorkshop Have you tried the Metabo sxe 150 5.0 bl? Had a look at tool fairs. Other than colour, it's identical to the Mirka Deros. Don't know of anyone who's actually had or used one in anger to see if it suffers any of the same issues though.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

No, I havent - I’ve had it pointed out to me a couple of times but I’d forgotten about it tbh, or put it aside mentally as it was similar money to the Mirka. You’ve got me thinking now though Stew...! 😂😆👍👍

[@adambunting1184]

I had the Ceros, failed and failed again, just at wrong time in middle of job. I loved the size but too expensive to keep replacing. Light use now gone to festool which has had an absolute hammering even sanded my oak floor with it. Never mirka again. I do use the mirka disks though

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! Yes, it seems odd - some can take a hammering, others fail so easily. My festool - as tall and tippy as it feels in comparison hasn’t missed a beat in ~13 years - same set of brushes. 🤷‍♂️👍