Misconceptions On Muscle Damage & Stretch Hypertrophy | Paul Carter, Dave Tate's Table Talk

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[@michaelcozzitortoiii5350]

Maybe I’ve only seen him in a bad light but this is the most sensible I’ve ever seen Paul Carter

[@JayOne23]

He comes off way better in video than writing in social media.

[@maxgulli9399]

His insta is very cut and dry and he likes to troll on there. So far here he’s been more nuanced and descriptive

[@MrTas44]

I think he has a personality disorder but his advice isn’t half bad

[@maxgulli9399]

@@MrTas44 That would make a lot of sense lol. He gets so upset when his posts don't perform well on instagram.

[@MichaelValentine-x2e]

Paul has little patience for bullshit that’s been debunked for decades. It’s sad the science community is fad-addicted money-hunters.

[@1AndreasKendu]

Greatest takeaway for me was using the reps to failure more as a tool rather then what you should always aim for. And being mindful about limiting your fatigue. Great talk.

[@ThaDonJsuan]

After doing mike mentzer hit for 3 years I have come to the conclusion that going to failure is not beneficial. I think total volume is what matters now and keeping 2 or 3 rir allows you to keep strength and recover faster.

[@Dxklan]

Milo Wolf is studying this very closely rn

[@gokuintheair5549]

hello Evan

[@JeeYaoKuneDo]

Paul is Freddy in Milo's dreams.

[@jl3114]

He's probably studying his own anus very closely too. Dude is a complete narcissist lol

[@Priimerra]

Time stamps woild be great. I also found that I eat 2 to 3 cheat meals during weekend I am less bloated despite eating only self made wholefoods whole week. The thing with repair and hypertriphy being in conflict make a lot of sense.

[@gregz1235]

Somewhere dr. Mike is seething

[@cylo1327]

Paul Carter is a better person and a more knowledgeable individual when it comes to hypertrophy than Mike

[@freshprince512]

He should work on his own physique/body building career.

[@The_muscle_camp]

@@cylo1327😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@yashmczikes5065]

i usually cant sit through long videos, but I somehow sat through this 3 hour long podcast, great video and great information, props 👍

[@wread1982]

Dave you are an excellent interviewer 🫡💪🏽

[@derekn4825]

Mike isratel shaking his fists 😂😂😂😂

[@noalane3626]

Dude that guy Dr Mike is just good at paying for marketing and making entertaining content and persuading people that he’s the ultimate authority

[@kane6529]

They both are schmucks

[@HeyIntegrity]

Why

[@B.P.hiphop]

Not true ​@@noalane3626

[@krazus2036]

​@@noalane3626Not even that good at marketing, his personality is just such a memable thing that he accidentally got famous for being an immature douche

[@Matt-zr1em]

this video is perfect. ive been following paul for a while now and sometimes i wasnt sure of the specific terms he was using. in this video he covered almost all the things at a basic level and i finally understand the things i didnt know . paul, you are a fricken gem 💎 thank you for everything you do, and thank you elitefts for your amazing podcast and hosting paul 🙏

[@salazarmml]

I like Paul’s content but he is by far the most sensitive person I follow on IG.

[@blowfold1]

He also claims to be natty. Just be honest dude, you’re on TRT at the very least.

[@georgivasilev3417]

@@blowfold1 lmaoo. Paul never ever claimed to be natty and he mentions a few times that he used gear and that eventually he will get a cycle or two in the near future when people asked him on Q&As.

[@blowfold1]

@@georgivasilev3417 he does claim to be natty currently. He’s stated many times he’s been off gear completely for years.

[@grula5892]

@@blowfold1he doesnt, he said a lil while ago he is on trt

[@JohnSmith-yx8kf]

@@blowfold1 Yes, he's implying there's a huge difference between TRT and being "on gear", because there is. He's also stated multiple times that there's no way he'd be as big as he is without retaining muscle from the time he was cycling.

[@robertauclair2278]

So little of what any of these fitness influencers talk about actually matters irl.

[@chrisd5774]

Certainly not temu batista here

[@johnnybeefum]

@@chrisd5774 "temu batista" omg 🤣🤣🤣

[@splichie1988]

Hahahaha

[@Ryan_2112]

Really great podcast and i think i learned a lot!

[@Bestguy10]

Absolutely Amazing podcast and discussion

[@alessandrofacciani7209]

Great content Paul..I liked it 💪

[@rohitgeorge8879]

2 OGs

[@MeanBob_Games]

Paul Carter is the MFin' 🐐

[@jonathanwilson9763]

Really cool interview. I'll give it a shot. 🤷‍♂️ Let's see what my tendons and joints are capable of.

[@The_MKUltra]

The constant tribalism surrounding which model of weight lifting is getting old. Best most of us can do is find what we can adhere to and see progress. Try new things when it makes sense. Everyone trying to pit one influencer or online person/program vs another is stale. So far there are some very useful and sensible points being made in the comments and that is appreciated. Those with the "this guy vs that guy" etc. just give it a rest. We can all probably learn a ton of all of these people.

[@schoolofatypicalinsights]

Aint that the truth! We're all in this iron game together. The tribalism is bananas.

[@sigmamale-i1o]

If fast twitch fibers are active in ~5 reps shy of failure that would mean that doing 20rm should produce less growth than 10rm. Beacuse in 20rm we are using less load thus minimizing "mechanical tension" on last ~5 reps in with fast twitch fibers are "active".

[@paulcarter9546]

load has nothing to do with mechancal tension. Maybe start there

[@sigmamale-i1o]

@@paulcarter9546 Mechanical tension is how much force muscle is generating. More force = heavier loads/faster concentric.

[@sigmamale-i1o]

@@paulcarter9546 I think u are over simplifing mechanical tension to volume load concept.

[@JohnSmith-yx8kf]

@@sigmamale-i1o "Mechanical tension is how much force muscle is generating" no, it isn't. This is why so many people are confused by this.

[@sigmamale-i1o]

@@JohnSmith-yx8kf Then give me proper definition of mechanical tension.

[@bobcarchedi6540]

Great discussion points

[@odn7769]

+1 for podcast with an (enhanced :D ) competitive eater!

[@MarioWizzz]

good podcast. i dont agree with the recovery. i think paul is talking out of his ass on this for the most part. but overall very interesting and good talk/banter. paul's an interesting bloke.

[@adam-lt8iy]

What about recovery?

[@Ahmed-jv7oc]

Timestamps please?

[@jonguyen8852]

Finally Paul!

[@adrianthulin30]

time stamp for when he talks shit about mike israetel?

[@0hopscotch0]

2:27:34

[@JcobRaco]

Joel Seedsman, Jason Fung, Paul Carter etc etc

[@h_oplite]

Dr. Mike is going to have a stroke after watching this, if he even does

[@analogcrunch4716]

Dr Mike looks awful and Carter got jacked from drugs and high volume bro splits

[@tiernanastronskas261]

I’m 6’2 245 pounds. Lifetime natural and my arms are bigger than this dudes and he’s blasting steroids. Going to continue to train in a deep stretch and controlled eccentric. Science is based on real life studies done on real people. You don’t get to deny science because you feel like something is better or worse

[@savonmies8479]

Amazing first 15 minutes 😂

[@icecoldlemonade3939]

“You know that right Dave” lol dude is trying his best to convince Dave or maybe even himself that what he’s saying is the “truth” and it’s hilarious

[@throwawayyoutube]

I finally know what the bang means

[@mikkog8852]

I would say the vertical legpress is a F tier, for sure..

[@matt6951]

What do we do to increase tendon strength? 4-8 rep range is hard on my old tricepts tendons, if i load it enough to be in that hypertrophic range of effort. 😅

[@analogcrunch4716]

His advice blows, so you’ll do 5 reps with 1 rir for 2 sets and go home lol? So 10-20 reps a bodypart lol. Honestly unless you are juicing or have elite genetics you absolutely will not grow from this.

[@danielsmith7324]

It's stupid. There's no hard evidence for the effective reps model. It's a hypothesis and paul just parrots Chris Beardsley. Who follows what paul claims and actually looks like they lift? Paul didn't even build his muscle doing it.

[@analogcrunch4716]

@@danielsmith7324not one person who he trains looks good. First off his form and execution is very poor because his obsession is weight on the bar so he actually doesn’t stress and cause proper tension on the targeted muscle. Good bodybuilders do this and it’s why they don’t press 175lb dbs when they can. It’s basic but ego bros don’t get it lol.

[@danielsmith7324]

@@analogcrunch4716 I agree I meant to type no hard evidence for the effective reps model. I can't stand paul Carter

[@noelnyc8227]

Do a search. I’ve seen and read people doing lock out training for connective tissue strength. Haven’t tried myself

[@FrancisDietPodcast]

When my comment gets removed lol so Paul says PhD are wrong and graded education is useless . Oh shock so he’s right but any logical person who’s been graded is wrong . Dunning Kruger at its finest

[@AllFather-TheStoicGod]

Serious question: What's it like watching these 3 hour videos straight through or are you skimming? 🤔

[@danielmccarten4357]

1.75 speed and skipping if it's something I don't need to know, but that's rare...

[@AllFather-TheStoicGod]

@@danielmccarten4357 Thx, didn't consider that.

[@AlphaLionTrillionaire]

Amazing when you're also KICKING ASS IN TF2

[@afterdark6822]

Watch the whole thing taking breaks.

[@AllFather-TheStoicGod]

@@afterdark6822 Nah. Did that twice before and thought: "I'll *never* get those 2+ hours back and learned the same thing elsewhere earlier, or later, that month like the first marathon session." Better still, going through the comment section I'm picking up on interesting points made.

[@WORKOUTSOLUTIONS]

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[@kban77]

This lifting stuff is like spinning plates

[@ChadCilli]

Serious question, if being tall is a disadvantage for the deadlift, why do the strongman competitors have huge deadlifts?

[@andreasfan9568]

Becaus they are realy realy big guys and they use straps. If you look at the shorter smaler guys the lift more compared to bodyweight. Dmitry Nasonov did 380 kg at 80 kg. 4,75 x bodyweight. Thor did 501 at a bodyweight of 195 kg (ruffly) it is 2,56 x bodyweight. Eddie hal did 500 at around 197 kg. So the shorter guys are built for it, But they are smaler.

[@JohnSmith-yx8kf]

The most insane genetics you can imagine. One of the things that you find is that leg to torso ratio gets skewed as people get talller, generally. But you look at strongmen, Thor at 6’9 has the limb ratios of someone of 5’9. It’s crazy.

[@brennand933]

So you didn’t notice that they have metric sh*t tons of muscle that will compensate for any lack of leverage their natural structure may have?

[@terminator2348]

Being tall is a disadvantage for the squat and BP, not for the deadlift.

[@andreasfan9568]

@@terminator2348 I disagree 😃

[@matt6951]

Love this, fuck those nerds.

[@RaimoTamm]

I preciate the content Dave Tate is creating. But the thing this specific guest brought up, amongst some other approaches, about using PEDs vs not using. The research that showed placebo efect of dianabol usage (not usage) was claimed by him as evidence that using PEDs does not lead to better execution in lifting. The thing is, that this connection made there by him doesn’t make sense. Meaning, that comparing two different things in separate manner doesn’t give us valid points which makes bigger outcomes. How is it that proving something has placebo efect proves that there isn’t efect of actually using specific substance.(?) Answer is, that it doesn’t prove that. Its not even a question of correlation doesn’t meet causation. It is question of misscorrelating things. Even if experimenting placebo effect and actually using specific compounds in the same research, it doesn’t show by itself that there is better outcome of placebo and/or no effect of these compounds. Because the effects of placebo and actual usage can give effects at the same time or at separate times. I almost hate to say that, but there was huge cognitive dissonance in this thought process made by this guest. There was some more, but this was one of the biggest.

[@terrytosello6684]

No one else is bothered with Dave’s breathing??? It’s so fkn annoying

[@DenzLaRocQue]

Lmao i watched so much episodes i am accustomed to it now. but yes its annoying

[@carlosthomas3131]

Cliff notes version?

[@danielsmith7324]

Paul repeating things as hard facts made up by his buddy Chris Beardsley that he vomits on his Instagram that his followers take as gospel and practice but look like they've never been to the gym. Meanwhile guys are getting massive doing things paul says is wrong and doesn't work

[@lightningarrow4486]

@@danielsmith7324 What does guys getting results from that Carter dismisses? Don't want to miss out on it myself.

[@hunto53]

@@danielsmith7324Paul "Chris told me so" Carter

[@Keppie6]

Lift heavy 4-8 reps 1-2 reps short of failure. 2x a week or so. Progessively overload

[@Jacksonnnnnnnnnnnnn]

​@@Keppie6did he give a general recommendation for sets per week?

[@PaulSpeed-g9z]

You guys need to work on your breathing, recycling, your air, and a couple other things because you’ve got some problems

[@jp2135744]

Borge Fagerli is a much better resource of knowlege than Paul

[@analogcrunch4716]

lol who? He’s another turd with no muscle

[@noelnyc8227]

He’s just another online character/personality. The thing with him is that he used to bring his romantic and religious beliefs to share and that becomes comical to me.

[@analogcrunch4716]

He got jacked from years of juice and high volume bro splits I’ve followed him for 15 years he’s doing this low rep garbage to sell subscriptions to idiots who would do this lol 😂

[@BGFitnessNY]

He has been making the same IG posts day in and day out.

[@noelnyc8227]

@@BGFitnessNY he’s made a name for himself for sure. Especially with the ladies :)

[@BGFitnessNY]

@@noelnyc8227 I thought he was single. Isn’t he a devout Christian?

[@noelnyc8227]

@@BGFitnessNY depends on the mood :)

[@RobThomas-tp2pl]

" Fat Greg " Greg Knuckles taking secret notes 😂

[@blowfold1]

Paul carter’s head needs gains. Ain’t nothing but a peanut baby

[@ChadCilli]

Another serious question. If all the growth comes from the concentric part, wouldn’t Olympic weightlifters be the biggest athletes? Everything they do is concentric.

[@JohnSmith-yx8kf]

Completely different training styles.

[@analogcrunch4716]

@@JohnSmith-yx8kfno he’s right you have no answer

[@danielsmith7324]

​@JohnSmith-yx8kf he's absolutely right. The muscle responds to stimulus. Paul is wrong about a lot of things he claims are absolutes

[@JohnSmith-yx8kf]

@@analogcrunch4716 I'm starting to understand why Paul get's so frustrated dealing with questions from mouth breathers all day...

[@gwyification]

The answer is in their training. They don't train to maximize mechanical tension. Think about it, similar to powerlifting movements, they're all compound and highly technical lifts. They use momentum and ideal leverages/technique whenever possible which reduces the direct loading on any given muscle. They also don't train close to failure so don't experience the velocity slowing that's needed to stimulate hypertrophy. It's all explained by Paul in this podcast and his content. Careful when you hear concentric and try to extrapolate

[@kban77]

Who is this guy and why is he so wise?

[@matthewross8065]

Somehow Mr lift run bang has become some sort of science and biomechanics specialist. Come on bro. I liked him a lot but his “brand” is stupid now.

[@Adderup-sx7py]

@@matthewross8065he would run circles around you in anything related to lifting or fitness. Stop it.

[@kobemop]

@@matthewross8065 the bang is something pertaining to coding, not the other thing...

[@SirFlashman-zv7ue]

Because he listens to Chris Beardsley.

[@danielsmith7324]

Why does he appear so wise? Because when someone speaks with confidence about a subject that people do not know much about they sound educated

[@biofitanatomy]

I don’t think titin is being explained well here. This is a very complex topic that’s still being evolved and saying conclusive statements about titin is a bit of a stretch (pun intended). Even research’s on this protein have different views.

[@paulcarter9546]

this is not true. The research on titin is literally decades and decades old. As far back as literally 1954

[@biofitanatomy]

@@paulcarter9546 I’m fully aware of Titins history and it’s work from Wang and Maruyama. It’s very much still under debate whether there is active/passive dichotomy in titin and whether or not the key in it’s extensibility is a function of activation or it’s intrinsic structure. Nishikawas work isn’t fully convincing and titin bears almost no load in mammalian skeletal muscle. The area is very much still evolving and there’s a lot of contention. Very exciting and interesting stuff nonetheless.

[@paulcarter9546]

@@biofitanatomy again this is not true as we have data showing immobilization causes calpains to literally erode the components of titin and in turn reduced passive tension. Titins role in passive tension is documented quite well so I'm not sure what it is you think I'm not explaining well here.

[@paulcarter9546]

@@biofitanatomy I just realized who you are, troll. You are responsible for more bad information than anyone I know with a small account.

[@biofitanatomy]

@@paulcarter9546You’re right maybe my comment came off a little aggressive regarding that titin was barley spoken about here. I should’ve specified that I think the idea of passive tension primarily coming from titin is misleading in mammals as we’ve seen it bears almost no load. And to respond to the immobilization studies causing calpains to erode the components of titin and in turn reduce passive tension. That doesn’t imply that titin is primarily responsible for passive tension but rather shows that titin has a signaling role in telling muscles their length and force, like a thermostat spring.

[@jozsefvirag7116]

I think Paul misunderstood a few questions 😅

[@noelnyc8227]

Dr Layne Norton a competitive body builder and power lifter doesn’t understand mechanical tension?!?

[@nhatnguyen7899]

Yes, he don’t

[@qwerty-rh6ht]

Another Dr

[@FrancisDietPodcast]

Wild isn’t it the arrogance of PC

[@noelnyc8227]

@@qwerty-rh6ht consider yourself lucky

[@Mahmoud12324]

💯he don't,all PhD meatheads don't , they just spread a repetitive fact that they think it's true and it's not because of their ego the have no clue with science lol

[@Maliksamuels33]

Dave is a skilled interviewer to be able to last it 3 straight hours with bozo the clown!

[@jakescakes]

im not in the loop, why clown?

[@collagecebu1]

@@jakescakesdon’t mind him, just another man butthurt by paul after he probs asked a dumb question or something before and runs around telling people that paul is a meanie

[@Geradtheichigoslayer]

​@@jakescakes because paul destroyed this dude's fav influencers 🤣

[@danielsmith7324]

​@@Geradtheichigoslayerhow by making a video on Instagram and then restricting and deleting comments?

[@m4andi0ca]

@@danielsmith7324 it's his post, he can do whatever he wants with it, if u drop a piece of shit of a comment i think it's deserved

[@Jacksonnnnnnnnnnnnn]

✔

[@tommylarnefeldt7671]

Self proclaimed "expert"

[@Adderup-sx7py]

Ask Chris Beardsley if Paul is an expert

[@Geradtheichigoslayer]

Ah yes the mike chimps have come in with their classic appeal to authority lmfao

[@ivaylozapartov3111]

@@Geradtheichigoslayerloolll

[@chrisadams2808]

@@Adderup-sx7py You mean ask his friend if he's an expert?

[@SomethingWylde]

What is he wrong about?

[@chrisd5774]

Gonna dip this, cos the guys a tool. 👍

[@Keppie6]

Its not an airport. You dont have to announce your departure.

[@D_Huckins]

I like a lot of what he was saying, but when he said that increasing load DOESN’T increase mechanical tension he lost me. States; increasing load does not increase mechanical tension, it only increases motor recruitment earlier in the set. That’s a nonsensical statement. Increasing load on to a muscle will surely recruit more motor units initially. But as a set progresses, with more or less load, more motor units are recruited - to a maximum allowed. A set with more load will have more mechanical tensions on the muscle with all of these same motor units involved. Then there is the argument of time under tension. Increased time under this mechanical load will increase hypertrophy, so it’s a balance of maximum load for maximum TUT. Two sets taken to failure, which recruit maximum muscle fibers; A squat of 405x8 to failure takes 20 seconds A squat of 455x5 to failure takes 13 seconds Both recruit maximum fibers, one has more mechanical tension at the beginning end of set (455x5) but one has more exposure to TUT (405x8). Which set had the most exposure to I high level of mechanical tension for the most amount of time? Well more fibers were activated for possibly longer, and under more load at 455x5. But the proximity to failure for the last couple reps of 405x8 had very similar recruitment, but less load. BUT there was more TUT. It’s a trade off, but a to failure rep at 455 vs 405, there is obviously more tension on the muscle. The maximum amount of fibers have been recruited so that literally does not matter.

[@MaxBadstibner]

Right. The whole “weight doesn’t matter” sentiment never made sense to me because the load is literally what creates the tension.

[@D_Huckins]

@@MaxBadstibner exactly. But then he says to lift in the 4-6 or less rep range to failure because it recruits maximum motor units, but the only way to be closer to failure in that way is to increase the load for the movement

[@rustyone6402]

​@D_Huckins you are confusing motor unit recruitment and mechanical tension. I don't think you disagree with him like you think you do

[@s1bhtk]

"But as a set progresses, with more or less load, more motor units are recruited" - nope, at a 5RM load you have maximal motor unit recruitment from the very first rep. "Which set had the most exposure to I high level of mechanical tension for the most amount of time?"- both are equal, since only the last 5 reps of the 8 were stimulating. first 3 just created unnecessary fatigue.

[@ItsGioven]

Muscles doesn't experiment mechanical tension. Fibers do. So do the fibers get more mechanical tension? they don't.

[@DylanDocker]

8 to 12 reps other rep ranges are trash

[@ars.hh23]

You listened to everything and said that? 🤡

[@kane6529]

@@ars.hh23limited brain cellsn

[@CankleCankle]

Erm, you got a source bro?

[@krazus2036]

​@@CankleCankleOnly Jay Cutler lol

[@Brk_Lifts]

“Trust me bro” -dude with 15” arms and a gut

[@analogcrunch4716]

So Paul Carter thinks elite bodybuilders like Hunter Labrada should do 2 sets 4-6 reps with 1 rir and 4 or so sets a session. That sounds really ridiculous to me but he claims science is always right.

[@Brk_Lifts]

Science is right a majority of the time, BUT nobody in the science community takes this guy serious. He’s a dumb ass

[@Adderup-sx7py]

Not at all what he thinks or what he’s said. He literally made a story a day or two ago saying elite bodybuilders can do their own thing and normal lifters are who would benefit from the science more. This is a straw man.

[@Geradtheichigoslayer]

It doesn't really matter what these pro bodybuilders do because they are on loads and loads of ⚙️

[@Brk_Lifts]

@@Geradtheichigoslayer 80% of the men in your gym are in gear. They just suck

[@Geradtheichigoslayer]

@@Brk_Lifts lol 80%? What kinda gym are you doing to lol. But regardless, yeah they don't have ronnie's genetics to respond the same to gear , I don't think most gear users take these insane loads that people like Ronnie did , but even if they do that won't make the next Ronnie and it's simply because of the genetics

[@analogcrunch4716]

Pump is way more important than his take on progressive overload that’s a fact. Most powerlifters move heavy loads and are smaller than bodybuilders Ive seen it for 30 years

[@krazus2036]

Pump is not important for muscle growth, correlation. That is not a fact that progressive overload as you can get pumped without progressive overload and not grow at all because you never challenged the muscle enough to grow. As for powerlifters, that is selection bias, powerlifters are individuals more prone to strength gains and not muscle size. Not too mention they tend to eat and train in a way that doesn't allow them to maximize what muscle size they might get from their genetics that made them more favorable in powerlifting. In 30 years you didn't figure this out? He'll there was studies 20 to 30 years ago about this.

[@fredselvaggio1435]

You have a serious lack of understanding of how powerlifting and bodybuilding training works.

[@Mrknubbe]

You can get a pump after a few sets of doing 5kg curls for 20 reps dude. It wont give you big biceps

[@kobemop]

You can get a tomato can and curl it for as long as you, but you won't get big biceps from it (and likely incur more fatigue as well). Powerlifters modify the movement so much to leverage more weight while trying to move the weight as fast or explosive as possible and they also train other way from failure (which is not ideal for hypertrophy anyway). Powerlifters emphasize more on training the prime movers of the squat, bench, and deadlift than the whole body (so some body parts are left as underdeveloped). Powerlifting will give you an incomplete physique as a result of it. Powerlifters are usually jacked for the most part, but not as jacked as bodybuilders, of course.

[@ivaylozapartov3111]

Are you slow? What a dumb comment

[@analogcrunch4716]

Pump and volume beats low reps lazy progressive overload all day long golden era says hi!! 👋

[@m4andi0ca]

get out of the fake account Milo!

[@m4andi0ca]

and stop liking ur own comments, nobody agrees with u

[@Ahmed-jv7oc]

Bro said progressive overload is lazy

[@qwerty-rh6ht]

dude, get out of that RP cult, you might actually grow