Misconceptions: The Gran Chichimeca (Sub. Esp)

A name... centuries of slander, controversy and myth.
The term "Chichimeca" is one that been treated as a mere substitute for the European term "Barbarian", but the reality behind this term is far more complex and that usage makes it no justice to say the least. So let's discover the truth behind it.
Ancient Americas's video on the Toltec
• The Trouble with Toltecs
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To learn more:
Infodrop on the Chichimeca Jonaz (in Spanish)
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[@AncientAmericas]

This was one of your best videos! (And I'm not just saying that because I have a cameo.) Collaborating with you on this was amazing!

[@AztlanHistorian]

It was certainly an honor to work with you my friend

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[@AztlanHistorian]

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[@mr.bulldops7692]

Just watched the video about how the European idea of "Amazons" heavily shaped how they viewed the people of the Americas. So cool. It's an "oh duh" kind of realization that I think deepens our understanding of our own cultural bias'.

[@YungPrince2k16]

I’m from Guanajuato so I always try to learn most as possible from my possible ancestors, thank you for making this video.

[@AztlanHistorian]

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[@marvinduarte1419]

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[@smalllJ]

I cannot express how much your channel means to me as a Mexican-American trying to understand their personal family history beyond a México vs América perspective. It's hideously complex but still worth trying to understand. ¡Muchas gracias desde este menso! I hope you keep up!

[@AztlanHistorian]

Glad you enjoy my work. Greetings!

[@rodolfolopez5257]

Thank you for bringing up my ancestors the Caxcanes! Also thank you for bringing up Aridomerica. I have been telling people for years about the differences between Mezo-America and Aridomerica and explaining to different people about my ancestry and a lot of other peoples too. Keep it up!

[@AztlanHistorian]

Glad you enjoyed my work, and I have to say; as someone with Mesoamerican ancestry myself, I often have to correct many misconceptions about my ancestors as well. Greetings

[@Bvstian]

Coming from Zacatecas my aunt before she died told me the city origins comes chichimecas who were blood thirsty but who know. Life has been showing me my way and trying to learn as much as I can thank you for this

[@henriquenakamura5752]

I'm always surprised that the Iberian crusader mentality isn't brought up more often in discussions about the conquest of the Americas, but I'm glad you covered that too. Thank you for this excellent video! Subscribed.

[@AztlanHistorian]

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[@per4mexbagger541]

Thank you for shedding some light on Aridoamerica . Ive been searching for info on The history of the people that inhabited the land of what is known today as Durango . I’ve found nothing

[@AztlanHistorian]

Yeah, unfortunately Durango is a place where native peoples were systematically removed and replaced whenever possible, and the very few peoples who remain in the state are pretty understudied even by anthropologists

[@per4mexbagger541]

@@AztlanHistorian yes how tragic. The only community I know of is the Tepehuan people.

[@AztlanHistorian]

@@TheDredConspiracy I think I'll come back to it in the future, but first I want to explore other regions

[@minaayasminn]

Both my parents have deep roots in Zacatecas and I am always so interested in learning about my indigenous roots. It’s so hard with not that much information. Native history is so interesting. ❤

[@AztlanHistorian]

Aridoamerica still needs to be properly included in history curricula, so yeah; there's still a lot to do to make more info available. Greetings

[@Alexander_D_Shaffer]

New sub! So glad to have a resource like this in English to learn about this fascinating subject.

[@AztlanHistorian]

Glad you enjoy my work!

[@ajrobbins368]

Today I was recommended the video Ancient Americas made, then I followed the link over here. Excellent video, thank you for the quality content! So glad you two collaborated so I could discover both channels in one day.

[@AztlanHistorian]

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[@GG-gh6hr]

This is great! I have never been able to find anything as rich and cohesive as this video on the subject matter

[@AztlanHistorian]

Glad you liked it

[@إلياسالحنفية]

I am not mexican nor from any of these regions but i find native central american history so interesting that i enjoy your videos could you perhaps fo a video on the various forms of traditional medicine throughout central America!

[@frankiesanchez2319]

20:06 the late 1700s to mid 1800s map, I was surprised to see Eagle Pass there, its where I grew up! I forget that eagle pass is old and is the other side of Piedras Negras, Coahuila

[@mauzedp]

Came here from Ancient Americas, looking forward to seeing your work! Edit: Great video! Very interesting to see how the native populations would have seen the Chichimeca/Tolteca divide. Great to know they had a much more rounded view of those who lived differently to then than the Europeans.

[@mexicounexplained]

Thanks for the very thorough video! Well done.

[@Nowhere-from]

Greetings from Ancient Americas! This is a good complement to his video on the Toltec and channel to follow 👍

[@perritoDeSatanas]

Increíble video master! Me suscribo al canal ❤❤❤❤ super interesante la evolución del concepto Chichimeca, no tenía ni idea 😮

[@AztlanHistorian]

Es un tema poco abordado en las clases de historia, incluso en México. Saludos

[@elguerotapatio9258]

Very happy to see you putting this into video form, I've only found the concept more and more fascinating since you first educated me on its nature. Cheers bro keep it up!

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[@AztlanHistorian]

Hope you you enjoying my work

[@mateoneedham6807]

Good looking channel, Brother. I found it by recommendation by Ancient Americas "The Trouble with the Toltecs." I'm looking forward to your videos. Salads desde un californiano en Panamá.

[@mateoneedham6807]

What!!!!! Ancient Americas is on this video!!!! I love it. You two are friends.

[@AztlanHistorian]

@@mateoneedham6807 I also appear of AA's video. Greetings from Mexico

[@BorgCoitus]

I am so glad I found your channel, and Ancient Americas!!! This is the area of focus I'd like to pursue in my own educational pathway!

[@TonyfromTO]

Saludos, now i am over here from the toltec video.

[@SuperMetalMage]

Yo great breakdown. Came here from AA and now I'm subscribed.

[@AztlanHistorian]

Thanks for your support

[@prophetofbara1214]

great video as always! ❤️

[@AztlanHistorian]

And as always thanks for the support

[@urielleyva7245]

Gran colaboración!!! Y muy buen video!

[@AztlanHistorian]

Gracias por el cumplido

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[@matthewmann8969]

Good video what about more histories about the Casta Wars between The Penninsulars, Criollos, Mestizos, And Indios?

[@compatriot852]

Glad you covered the chichimeca. It was interesting to learn more about my background as part Otomi

[@Simonsays7258]

0:53 "Auctocthonous" I love it.

[@fernandoaxayacatzin.5168]

Excelente vídeo, me encanto tu observación final. ¡Sigue así!

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Came for the video, subbed for the ride!

[@hedgehog3180]

There is a sense of historical irony in that the people who resisted colonization were labled Chichimeca as an insult when really by resisting colonization they embodied the cosmic ideal of the Chichimeca as noble, brave and frugal warriors. I bet the term is ripe for reclamation in that sense, like how Scottish Highland clans came to be associated with freedom because of Braveheart.

[@SomasAcademy]

Great video as always, but I found the audio a bit quiet, I had to turn my volume all the way up to hear.

[@AztlanHistorian]

Glad you liked the video, and yeah, I just switched mics as I can no longer use my old one. So that's what I got to work with.

[@sk8razer]

Exactly the type of channel I've been looking for to learn more about my heritage! and, in this case, my homeland. I live in a Gadsden Purchase are of the US and have never heard the term "Aridoamerica", at least not that I can recall lol Thank you for such a fantastic video!!

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[@micahistory]

interesting, i never heard of this gran chichimeca idea before

[@klawdyarv847]

Aridoamerica siempre me ha intrigado, soy del norte de Tamaulipas, hasta donde tengo entendido la mayoria de las tribus nativas fue diezmada y alguna que otra pudo huir al norte, como los carrizo- comecrudo. Ojala algun dia puedas hablar sobre Alvar Nuñez Cabeza de Vaca, su odisea por el norte de Mexico fue fascinante.

[@AztlanHistorian]

Los comecrudos no fueron desplazados; se quedaron y resistieron en sus tierras hasta el final. La verdad no hubo realmente grandes desplazamientos de nativos huyendo de los españoles, en el sentido de que huyeran largas distancias; y curiosamente, los casos mas notorios de grupos indígenas emigrados al norte como los tlaxcaltecas de Coahuila, fueron parte de los propios planes de colonización españoles; ya que los españoles usaron nativos de Mesoamérica como colonos en el norte. En cuanto a los grupos nativos de Aridoamérica, como los irritilas, tobosos, guachichiles, etc; si, la mayoría fueron asimilados o exterminados, pero algunos se las arreglaron para persistir como los raramuri y los tepehuanos, y aun siguen entre nosotros. Saludos

[@BobbyHill26]

I’ve watched quite a few of your videos of the past few days and they are fantastic. Are there any channels that provide similar content in Spanish that you could recommend?

[@AztlanHistorian]

There was once a channel called Peces de Babel who made agood job, but their content is largely outdated by now, as they haven't produced any material in years :(

[@sankarchaya]

As I understand it, the Wixárika descend from the "barbarians" dismissed as "Chichimecs" by the Spanish. It would be interesting to know, what's the status today of the various ethnic groups who made war with the Spanish at that time?

[@AztlanHistorian]

The Wixarika ARE one of the groups dismissed categorically as "Chichimeca" (in its colonial use as "Barbarian") by the Spaniards; and generally speaking most of said groups are gone, although some like the Wixarika, the Jonaz and other groups I mention in the video are still around, but as very small minorities in modern Mexico

[@yanina.korolko]

Hi, I love the info you are offering, THANK YOU... , but I have a problem with the accent. The subtitles available are in Spanish. The "automatic" translation into English subtitles is way off. I mean, the words used orally are NOT the words used in the English subtitles. I keep watching, I'm 5:00 in, yet the accent and words mispronunciations are bothersome. I cannot continue, so sorry... I wish I had an English pronunciation session with you, where I could have bought you how to breathe in order to carry the English words.

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what a wonderful video! could you please also link the music you were using in the video? I like it very much as well!

[@5zero3GN]

Great Video! What are your sources? I would like to review them also.

[@AztlanHistorian]

How good is your Spanish?

[@5zero3GN]

@@AztlanHistorian pretty decent

[@AztlanHistorian]

@@5zero3GN Then check "El universo mesoamericano: Conceptos integradores" by Ruben B. Morante. That would be a good start

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highly appreciated.

[@AztlanHistorian]

Glad you enjoyed the video

[@wyattw9727]

Wow and what do you know there's a video on this channel about my favorite Mesoamerican group lol. The mice that dragged a lion behind an alley and kicked it until it cried uncle.

[@andresduarteortiz5804]

I'm not sure if you'll see this but I was wondering if this bastardization of the term chichimeca was at one point applied to the wixaritari, who lived (and in many cases still do) in remote areas within the sierra of durango, nayarit, jalisco, and zacatecas. They largely opposed spanish missionaries with the only community where it was kinda tolerated being tatei kie (san andres cohamiata), that combined with their relative isolation has resulted in their culture and beliefs being preserved largely unchanged, to a degree that they can in a way be considered a true remnant of prehispanic times.

[@AztlanHistorian]

Yes, I know who the Wixaritari are, and as for your question, the term Chichimeca wasn't applied to them by the Spaniards as when they finally got conquered the term had long fallen from regular use and had largely been replaced by "gentil" (gentile). Interestingly enough, they were labelled as Chichimeca-adjacent after Mexican independence by 19th century academics as part of the dichotomy I mention at the end of the video. As for them being "a true remnant of pre-Hispanic times" that is not very accurate; as their crafts, language and religion show heavy European influences, even if said items and practices have roots that can be firmly traced to pre-Columbian times. The quest for "remnants" of pre-Hispanic times has been a long time obsession of pretty unethical "academics" who don't see these communities as living groups of people, but rather as biota to be described in order to become famous. Hence why I personally irk at such idea even being hinted. Greetings

[@HistoryFirst]

Hi i love your videos, im making one currently on the Aztecs, could I please have your help? Id like to ask you a few questions

[@AztlanHistorian]

Sure, please join my server. I'll be glad to help you discord.com/invite/R3ENvmz

[@larrybrown1124]

Ancient Americas sent me here!

[@AztlanHistorian]

Glad to have you here

[@angelalvarado7040]

Me agrado mucho tu contenido pero no lo tendras con audio en español? Me fue medio dificil entender algunas cosas que decias en ingles

[@AztlanHistorian]

He considerado hacerlo en español, pero la verdad es que hice este canal para traer una perspectiva diferente al KZbin de habla inglesa, tan plagado de errores garrafales sobre la América indígena. Así que por ahora hacer contenido en español no ha sido mi prioridad. Igual mis videos cuenta con subtítulos al español, los cuales espero ayuden a aclarar cualquier termino en el video :) Saludos

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[@fernandoaxayacatzin.5168]

Difiero en cuanto a tu punto sobre que lo único que define al término Tolteca era vivir asentados en Altepemeh, como "citadinos", por decirlo de alguna manera. Ahora explico por qué: En los mitos fundacionales de los Tlaxcaltecas, Huexotzincas y demás grupos del valle Poblano-Tlaxcalteca se pone mucho enfasis en los conflictos que hubo como los Olmeca-Xicalanca, grupos también asentados en grandes complejos urbanos y que en las fuentes están perfectamente diferenciados de los Toltecas. Yo creo que "lo Tolteca" estaba no solo definido por vivir en ciudades a diferencia de los Chichimecameh, sino que también había un canon cultural que separaba a los Toltecas de otros grupos también asentados en el centro de México, como los ya mencionados Olmeca-Xicalanca. Tal vez este canon cultural diferenciado era de procedencia Teotihuacana.

[@AztlanHistorian]

No se de donde dedujo señor que según yo " lo único que define al término Tolteca era vivir asentados en Altepemeh". No solo nunca dije semejante oración, puesto se sería incorrecta, ya que había altepemeh chichimecas (cosa que digo en el video); sino que literalmente explico en el video que solo uso una interpretación del termino, ya que existen muchas acepciones, las cuales no son el tema de este video. Le exhorto a volver a ver el video para que no distorsione mis palabras y además le recuerdo que este video tiene un acompañante en el canal de Ancient Americas dónde explican a detalle las múltiples interpretaciones del termino "Tolteca". Saludos PD. Chichimecah es un plural, asi que "Chichimecameh" es incorrecto, y aclaro que "altepetl" no significa necesariamente ciudad, ya que puede significar comunidad, pueblo o incluso localidad.

[@fernandoaxayacatzin.5168]

@@AztlanHistorian Nunca escribí que estaba citando una oración tuya, parafraseé, que es diferente. Tenía activados la traducción automática y no los subtítulos que tú colocaste, error mio. E visto el vídeo de nuevo y leí claramente que expresas solo estar utilizando una connotación concreta, disculpa. En mi variante, náhuatl Tlaxcalteca, se dice Chichimecameh.

[@AztlanHistorian]

​@@fernandoaxayacatzin.5168 Oh, eres nahuaparlante. Entiendo. He hablado con otros hablantes de nahuatl antes, pero nunca habia tocado el tema de los nombres de los pueblos antiguos; asi que asumí que aun se ceñiría a alguna variante del nahuatl clásico. Error mio.

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Glad to have you here

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Hello

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Your voice is wonderful. The volume is too low. I like a lowrider. The world is interesting. Thanks

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[@AztlanHistorian]

Thanks for the compliment

[@TheZambombazo]

Why is this documentary in English?

[@matthewmann8969]

Will you do more histories in how Half Europeans like Mestizos, Mulattoes, Zambos, Pardos, Castizos, Cholos, Harnizos, Melungeons and other mixed groups played a part in the oppression of The Indios and how plenty of that racism still carries on today yeah?

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[@إلياسالحنفية]

I am not mexican nor from any of these regions but i find native central american history so interesting that i enjoy your videos could you perhaps fo a video on the various forms of traditional medicine throughout central America!