Why is BBS E88 THE MOST EXPENSIVE Motorsport Wheel | 200K Giveaway!

Many of you were upset about us swapping the BBS E88's on our F80 M3 Taxi for a set of Ronal or ProTrack wheels. Today we reveal the reasoning behind it. When you use the E88 as motorsport wheels, you have to accept that the wheels become a "consumable", just like your tires and brakes. In our case, the "running cost" of E88s on the M3 has now exceeded 30 000€
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00:00 Intro
00:50 200k Giveaway
01:27 FAIL: Practical Example
03:50 Detailed Explanation
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[@Jangobipbip]

Misha and Robert, it was the bolts in this case...Wheels are being rebuilt with bigger bolts actually. Glad we could have a fun lap a bit later ! See you :)

[@RobertMitchell]

Thank you for the feedback. Now you’re in the M8 bolt club 🤣

[@Jangobipbip]

Robert Mitchell ahah I guess! Thank you for welcoming 😅 My old E88 really need them including new centers and let’s go again for thousands of lap

[@RAB993]

@@RobertMitchell Why not first M7 Bolts like every other 3 piece Wheel

[@psydafke]

RAB911 bc M8 competition is hard to beat 😅

[@the1andonlyf1sh15]

lots of respect for knowing your car so well that you immediately noticed even a minor loss in pressure

[@Sophie-and-Ken]

Sounds like Robert Kubica will forever be the standard for driving a rental car hard.

[@Salpeteroxid]

@Mal Function Like many before you have said too.

[@SpenserRoger]

@Mal Function can you explain?

[@KastaRules]

There are so many hidden costs in running a business like this one... it's crazy. I understand the rental prices now.

[@Salpeteroxid]

How is maintenance a hidden cost?

[@KastaRules]

@@Salpeteroxid "Hidden" to the general public who has no idea these rim drums crack that easily and have to be replaced quite often. I have bent alloy rims in the past but they were always fixable.

[@EarlLeeBird]

@5:55 apparently Robert is also an automotive poet: This is the outer, This is the seal, This all sandwiches the star in between and is what makes the wheel.

[@emenesu]

BBS disstrack dropping soon

[@ioannisioannou7518]

I just love how meticulous Robert is with running Apex and his cars. You can tell his OCD and attention to detail, its what makes a difference. I wouldn’t trust anyone else.

[@Phil_T86]

Let Robert know, this has been a problem for years with E88’s as for some reason the motorsport barrells are too soft. All the guys including myself that bought these spec’d them with road barrells which don’t get this problem. I even got told to do this from other owners before I bought mine.

[@MaciekJutrzenka]

do u know maybe if the motorsport ones are lighter? maybe they just assume the rim will have less abuse (aka potholes) and they used less material?

[@Frankestein01nl]

I'm just guessing less weight equals faster laptimes during races. The rims are beautyful though..

[@SpenserRoger]

I wonder if there's a way to treat them to make them stronger? Perhaps cryo-treatment and/or laser shot peening (up to 12mm depth with greater reduction of crack growth rates and improved fatigue resistance compared to regular shot peening).

[@yucannthahvitt251]

@@SpenserRoger You could maybe extend the life a bit with some sort of treatment, but the endurance limit of the Aluminum will be reached faster than in a better designed wheel no matter what. It's a design flaw. You can pass it off as the intent of the designer that the wheel barrel has a very finite life, but in the end it is a flaw; strength and fatigue life was sacrificed for the sake of either weight or cost, I don't know because I'm not privy to the design process BBS took.

[@SpenserRoger]

@@yucannthahvitt251 pretty sure failure is a factor possibly resulting from both over stress and under strength. Over stress by having a huge fat laden sedan raced on the ring, and under strength by...well it really doesn't matter however laser shot peening would provide more strength. It's not so much a factor of the cycles and since catastrophic failure isn't occurring...trying laser shot peened barrels might result in effectively a wheel which no longer experiences a celebratory decrepitude. 🤣 lmao.

[@pedrohenriques2171]

I don't think we would see an explanation like this one everywhere else. Talk about transparency! PRO stuff.

[@Bogdyindahous]

Man, just awesome, guys! Thanks Misha, thanks Robert! This is one of the most greatest chanels or things that ever happened!

[@bastelnekes4900]

Hey misha congrats on the 200k! Been here since the start of the channel. Loved the transition from boosted boris to being yourself. Still remember the video from shmee before the vlogs even started, subscribed that very moment and have seen almost every video ever since! Congrats on the accomplishment and i hope you celebrate it as good as you should!

[@mevlutyavuz3776]

I was today years old when i learned he was boosted boris. When i watch his first video i said to myself 'i know this guy from anywhere else' thanks man :D

[@djwnakata9406]

I don’t just want a lap, (especially in the Porsche), I need one.

[@mixworks-de]

That comment does not count haha!

[@MrMillenium67]

A huge congrats on reaching 200k subs Misha. It is very well deserved but it should be way more!

[@richardmorgan1834]

Congratulations on hitting 200k. What an awesome prize. I am over from 10th-13th October

[@steve5x565]

I really like the fact you guys aren’t scared of stating facts about the stuff you use on these cars. It shows absolute dedication to making sure your cars are safe rather than pretty. They still look fantastic anyway. One question though, if you don’t mind, the standard F8- (M3/M4) wheels are forged and damn expensive are they too heavy, not strong enough or just not able to take the tire fitment you need for the track?

[@cali_cal]

forged are never heavy

[@michblitz]

i sit on my simulator most nights and binge watch your channel. you have given me over 1000 true lap lessons and so many facts about the legend its self. also for content you should find a way of driving a few classic drm cars. im more than eager to see you just review the technology.. let alone hears the sound. i was fortunate enough to come to eifel in 2015 but the expence was above my paycheck for have a lap but im sure i will see you in the next few years. i hope stay safe on the track!! mike

[@snoopydogg1]

This would be a dream come true for a lap in both! Great videos as always. Great to have back full time at Apex.

[@Ollie930]

Congratulations on the 200K Misha, very well deserved. Would finish the season off perfectly to receive a lap this weekend!

[@nEx944]

I would love to win a lap! I met Robert this year, and he was so nice! He even helped me out by pointing to a mechanic bec. my blue Mini seemed to have trouble with the engine.

[@jakob19982010]

I'd love to go out. I still remember first getting to know you back when phil broke down, and shortly after learning about your vlog. You getting pulled over in france by the Military for your fake carbon wheels on the shit box E36. I was quite shocked wen you stopped working with the old company (no names till now I guess, also F for the helmet and the 42056 Model), but watching Apex grow, with you on the forefront of the publicity for it, is awesome. Keep it up, stay as you where back then, and are right now. I'm still looking forward to your videos, and get excited to watch them after all those years...

[@taylorhawkins1211]

Thank you Misha and Robert for this amazing explanation.

[@faisalleeds]

Thank you Robert and Misha, learnt something about BBS wheels today! Amazing how expensive they are!

[@FETTSpence]

And this kids is why BBS is insolvent again, because Apex said the maintance costs are too high :D Foodshot 0/10

[@DuBstep115]

BBS is doing something wrong budgeting the costs. Because every time there is economic downturn they go bankrupt like 2007 Great Recession , 2011 European debt crisis and now 2020 with corona.

[@jol9864]

I would love to do a lap in one of the cars! congrats on 200k Misha ;-)

[@sybev.5849]

Would love to finally do al lap on the ring! I have been a subscriber since the start of apex so it's awesome to see how both your channel and apex grew during these years. congrats!

[@Shareezy]

Happy to help on the subs Misha, not hard when you keep posting all this awesome content!!! - Shahram

[@michieldewilde8644]

Would love to experience the speed of the M3 or the GT2 RS MR Taxi!

[@ewrsteading235]

I remember a customer coming to us moaning about how his race wheels were all cracked, what a pile of #### they were and how he wanted us to help him replace them. We started asking questions and it turned out they came to him with a race car he bought so were all second hand. After taking the build dates and knowing what car he bought we were able to explain that the wheels were f###ed because they'd done Daytona 24 hours and Le Mans plus potentially another Daytona, Spa and Nurbürgring too. He bought a load of new sets then totalled the car!

[@hristohristov8787]

I've never been at Nurburgring,it's still on my dream list!!!Congratulations for 200k subs,you deserve it 👏

[@carspotter.mjurtin767]

Congrats on the 200k! A lap in one of those cars would be super cool!

[@stephanieschwarze6537]

My son Hugo would desperately wish to take a lap with you guys. I always look at his face when you are behind us for some seconds 😊

[@TheTomster94]

I'm probably weird, but to me the Protrack wheels look better, win win!

[@protrackwheels3546]

Thank you.

[@Cane306]

@@protrackwheels3546 Yeah, they look great! Can you tell us the weight difference with the E88?

[@protrackwheels3546]

@@Cane306 I received pics from a customer many month ago. We also phoned and he said (he measured two different sizes) around 100-200g. One time E88 lighter, one time ONE. So, we are not talking about one kilogramm difference. They are nearly the same. Regards Christoph I ask apex to put a E88 wheel on the scale. We have 10, 10.5 and 11x18 in stock and can compare.

[@protrackwheels3546]

@@Cane306 We have many pics with wheels on the scale on our insta account. 10x18 ET25 (like on the M4) is 9460gr. TÜV approved wheel load is 630kg. (it´s not the same compared to JWL or VIA, requirements at TÜV are higher)

[@Cane306]

@@protrackwheels3546 Thanks for all information!

[@vaughnsview7697]

Would be a Dream come True. Congrats on 200K !!!

[@lunchbox3434]

Uncle Misha and Robert. From a business stand point looks over what works just makes total sense. Cant wait for that lap!!

[@redmanhigh]

200k. I still remember 5k Boris . Such fun times. No social distancing. Congrats Edit. 666 comment.

[@Richard_Turner]

Love to win a lap.. after this year winning anything!

[@fivosgeorgiou8000]

dawm you are right

[@alessiopecoraro4476]

A lap on the Nurburgring with a gt2 rs mr, probably one of the best experiences i could think of. would be a dream! Amazing content Misha, and Apex Taxis obviously. Love your channel !!

[@cya508]

Normally i dont comment on youtube videos but the chance for a Taxi ride is just to awesome!

[@GiverrionBG]

I would love to make a Lap. Not far trip from Poland :D

[@patrykadamiak7570]

I only want a lap if Robert dresses up as Boosted Boris.

[@spotcity1]

Congratulations on 200K! 👊🏻 I've never been to the Nürburgring, would love to experience it! 🤞🏻

[@snoopydogg1]

Great video Mischa and Robert! Thanks 😊

[@oliverb92]

First. Would love to win a lap Second : why the chance of no taxi license next year. Just general „your not save until it’s signed“ or a real problem

[@pnn5436]

Id love to win a lap, but i'd pass to my dad if I were to win, as me watching him return from a hotlap would bring me more joy🤞🤞

[@ijunkie10]

Congrats Misha! It's nice to see your

[@Thooorben]

Congrats to 200k followers Misha! A lap in one of those taxis would be awesome.

[@metastabil1775]

I want to get a lap for my dad. He lives 10min from the nürburgring an never drove on it!!

[@MonsterSound]

I vote for you. oh, that's not how it works? 🤞

[@carsracing5901]

I would like soo mutch to have a lap in one of these two cars . It will be faster than my 207 90 hdi on the ring 😂🤣

[@1769papi]

You need turbo Tf035 from BMW 320d n47. MAP sensor 335d 3 Bar. 110hp Late years injectors with partnumber 297 in the end. Big cooler and straight 2.5” exhaust. Then i can tune it to 220hp with a very high durability and Early spool at 2200rpm.

[@mantazini]

@@1769papi sounds like for the cost he better get R26 and be done with it

[@1769papi]

Mantazini : Circuit_Devotees But tf035 is 70-100€. Cant say anything like that about g26.

[@1769papi]

Whole mod maxbet 500€

[@torquern.a7692]

Thanks for the details info about the wheels.. this is new to me

[@Raptor729]

Congrats for the 200k, honestly well-deserved for these nice Videos. Would be glad about a ride

[@citizenoftheworld6369]

Scotty was right, BMWs are endless money pits 😂

[@buildindian8169]

Citizen of the World true but nothing drives better for the money..

[@TopiAS06]

Yeah, bmw:s fault that bbs wheels crack :¨D

[@ANILTV82]

pretty much ever project not only BMWs

[@marclonguet2748]

Of course I want a lap! The M3 seems just amazing!

[@jean-loupparisis7330]

Hey Misha ! One lap with a pilot like you would be one of the best experience in my life! Cheers from Belgium!

[@VoodooBoot]

Thanks for the video, guys! Also, in for the lap giveaway 😀

[@ossgarage9070]

Congratulations dude, well deserved! Would love a lap in those beauty’s 🤞

[@Urix]

Oh, I'd love that lap! Congrats!

[@Legrand1991]

The M3 was amazing! now i just have to experience the GT2RS MR!

[@aandachtszoeker]

Yes please, a lap in either one of those would be amazing!

[@andydhend]

Crazy how such a small bolt / crack has such a giant impact on the taxi running costs. I'd love to have a lap if I won, congrats on 200k!

[@zaman88]

Of course I want a lap! In the early days of this channel ( when you had the E36 shitbox) you had a Cayman with ATS GTR wheels in the fleet, a customer crashed it and everything was damaged but those wheels where still holding the tyres like nothing was happend. Since then it's my favourite wheel.

[@TonyBrQ]

Really interesting feedback and impressive attention to detail. And I would love a lap in either the M3 or the GT2RS!

[@thomastheo1566]

Best Nurburgring Chanel!! Thank you

[@ywsnoord3681]

I've been in the GT2RS MR for a lap, but have been thinking about a lap in the M3. It would be a very pleasure to get a ride in the M3 for the experience and i just love the vibe at Apex. Good service and very kind people. If I don't win I am okey with it because other people deserve a lap aswel on this amazing track. Misha u are a legend! Cya soon at the ring!!

[@oldspeckledben1]

Congratulations on 200k subs🍾😀 A lap in either car would be unbelievable but the GT2 RS, now that would be a insane! 🙃 Keep up the awesome content

[@devastaterzx6906]

A lap in the M3 or GT2RS sounds like a lot of fun.

[@jnordberg1]

That would be the biggest dream for me to come true!! Absolutely love your content you put out!!

[@apeman2981]

I would love a lap in any of the fleet, yet alone the M3 and GT2RS. Keep up the great work.

[@4-tro312]

Yess! I want a Lap 👍 congrats for 200k

[@radimkrejcik8468]

I've never been to the Ring and it would be awesome to do my first lap in the GT2 RS! Also congrats Misha, you absolutely deserve this!

[@ahmetahmet9673]

More of these detail type videos please!

[@sjoerd6566]

Congrats on the 200k subs!!! Would love to expierence the gt2 rs on the nürburgring :)

[@dokiovi99]

I would love to lap in one of those amazing cars! Congrats on the 200k!

[@h3nny_99]

I would be proud to do a Lap in the Beamer or Porsch. A big dream would come true

[@jeroenl821]

I would love to do a lap in one of the two cars! Congrats on reaching this milestone!!!

[@ringenlooks6688]

I'm planning to go to Nice from Sweden so i'm going past Nurburgring to take a lap again and it would be awesome to meet you guys from apex, i'm going next month

[@Lolz1337MrCampTastic]

I always get chills when i see these types of cars on the track. But never have i been in one. Therefore it would be like a dream come true if i was able to ride along on the track!

[@csabakis3367]

I have never been around the Nürburgring nordschleife, 'it's my dream to go there, and take a lap, it doesn't matter which taxi, all they are quick enough for me. So here's my entry, love you guys. GL everyone.

[@raphaelguillot6840]

Congratulations Misha ! And of course i'd love to do a lap on the M3 or GT2 😁

[@ddhaas15]

Would love to do a lap in the M3 or GT2RS...😍✌🏻 Congrats to the 200K! Keep up the great work! 👍🏻

[@jesusochoa3950]

A lap @ the Nürburgring is on my bucket list

[@bcbacktee4429]

A lap in the M3 . . yes please. That thing sounds so good.

[@Sestinomio]

That giveaway is amazing! i'll definitely let my old father get the ride :D keep it up with this amazing content

[@fromthegods78]

Honestly I fell in love in the Pro Tracks since seeing them on the Apex BMWs. I like them better then the BBSs and I would run them on all cars honestly...

[@diljoe9678]

I'd love to do a lap but I live in the US- congrats on 200k misha! well deserved

[@Fabi20]

Congrats on 200k subs. Long overdue in my opinion :D Thanks for all the great videos! PS: I would to go on a lap in one of your cars ;D

[@Preditah.]

Congrats on 200k, Misha. It would be amazing to do a lap of the 'ring! Thanks.

[@mattmatt9971]

Awesome Video bro. I am looking forward to a wheel swop On my C55 AMG, to be fully forged wheels

[@bazoomking]

Would definitely love to visit the ring again and get a proper ride along!

[@MotoMario890]

Would love to experience two laps! Especially in the GT2RS MR, I love that car.

[@Soorce1]

Here’s my chance on a true racing taxi experience; so yesss please, would love to join you for a lap in either of the 2 cars! Keep up with posting your awesome videos!

[@Bljento]

Of course I would love to have a lap! GL everyone. :)

[@tamasmatyas]

It would be amazong to do a lap in the BMW. Good luck everyone!

[@TheMHoH]

congrats to 200k i think when i subscribed you were at 10k or less... damn Would love to take a lap with you guys and I'd be able to make it this season!

[@ste6834]

Would love a taxi lap in any of those cars! Been before and that M3 is just mental!

[@julienbourgeay1001]

Congratulations Misha for the 200k! Would love to have the opportunity to experience one of these car and get Robert’s opinion regarding baby seats options :D

[@TheFranpire]

Congratulations with 200K I'd looooove a taxi lap in either one of the both taxi's!!!🤩 I am coming to the ring this weekend so I could do it this year,🤞🤞🤞

[@prxcuber6840]

A lap in those cars would make my year!

[@Questicless]

Congrats on the 200k subs, ofcourse I would love to get a lap in of those cars! 😁

[@Burak-qf9gi]

I would love the lap in the Porsche!

[@hotshts15]

love the video's keep them coming!

[@andrei3720]

BMW is my dream brand. So a lap in the F80 would be absolutelly amazing! Even tho im from Romania Ill fly fpr the lap for sure! Thanks for doing this. Cant wait to buy my F30 next year and bring it to the ring😁😁😁. GL everyone

[@aidinb6721]

I'd fly over tomorrow for a lap! It's great to see you at 200k Misha!