The Reckoning Cinematic Finale | Saurfang VS Sylvanas | Cinematic Reaction World of Warcraft

[@reanukeevs3452]

I love how Saurfang says "Let it be finished" as he charges at Sylvanas....just as his son did before charging at The Lich King.

[@BigMikey1776]

Blazerent Blaze or when he gets one hit off her like Brox got his hit off sargeras

[@RokkitGrrl]

Even the way Sylvanas exits the gate is reminiscent of how the Lich King emerged at that fight.

[@AddamSolo]

yup. now go watch wrathgate remastered.

[@darknovatv8281]

is this the first time a human was allowed to freely enter Orgrimmar ? dont know too much about the lore, but just curious

[@Crownsnek]

"YEAH SAURFANG" *Saurfang proceeds to be completely annihilated* "oh"

[@WonderWyvern]

hahahaha right

[@tairrendaly5855]

AYE, #1 DEATH IN WOW IN MY BOOKS, DONT YOU GO DISSING SAURFANG EVEN IF HE IS DEAD!

[@zyndyr5984]

as soon as I saw him say that i scrolled down, you did not disappoint me xD

[@tairrendaly5855]

@Young Victor because they both knew he couldn't, he just needed to piss Sylvanas off so much she reveals her true colors.

[@tairrendaly5855]

@Young Victor yes, but 1, sylvanas is basically an assassin, you saw what she did those blades. Where Sarfang has his strength, and I think he knew that strength alone wasnt going to help.

[@isthecarpetcomfortable9410]

Screw all the factions. My loyalty lies to Bannerbae now. *Tink*

[@Chris-cl5rs]

tink tink

[@kyvanrae]

Who?

[@Matisaha]

Same. she cute.

[@shaderunner8220]

Tink Tink (just keep an eye on r34 now lol)

[@TheJoshua649]

Shaderunner LMAO

[@TheScarecrow78]

I love how this shows the Forsaken are Horde first and Sylvanas's followers second.

[@shushinfushin1312]

I don't know... yeah, the Horde gave the forsaken a home(although they still never liked them) when the alliance wouldn't, but the forsaken wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for Sylvanas. They'd be nothing, probably extinct. I'd say the forsaken owe Sylvanas way more than they ever will the Horde, tbh.

[@Caedus696]

@@shushinfushin1312 Sylvanas gave them a rallying point but if it wasnt for the Horde accepting them and joining their ranks the scarlet crusade and surrounding human settlements would have chipped away at them until there was nothing left. And I wouldn't say all of the Horde didnt like them the Tauren had very close ties to them, trying to help them find a cure for undeath. A lore point that Blizz kind of totally forgot about.

[@Halazzii]

@@Caedus696 Pretty sure the Belfs also were very close to them since quite a few of them were supposed to be elves in life.

[@armarosiv288]

@@shushinfushin1312 Look at it this way, they're nothing now either way 😉

[@oinkleberry]

It makes sense when she literally tells them they are nothing. She decries her people while Saurfang's forces are willing to accept any Forsaken dissenters without question. The Forsaken are named thusly because they were abandoned. Guess what Sylvanas just did? Guess what the Horde DIDN'T just do? It's like 1 + 1 = 2 at this point and I'm so happy the Forsaken are not canonically evil now.

[@SuzakuX]

A bit more context from follow-up quests: - This is the first time she's employed those dark magics. Nobody is sure what they are or where she got them from. - They agree that whatever her goal is, she no longer needs the Horde to achieve it. - The Horde and Alliance are turning their attention to N'Zoth. Lor'themar sent his Farstriders after Sylvanas and Nathanos but doubts they'll find them. - Sylvanas loyalists meet up with her at Windrunner Spire. She reveals that she made a deal with Azshara, but she's just basically biding her time until N'Zoth and the Horde and Alliance kill each other, and says even N'Zoth will serve death in the end. - Lilian Voss seems interested in meeting with Calia Menethil and Derek Proudmoore, likely concerning the future of the Forsaken.

[@evangelionaddict8212]

Wait, really? She made a deal with Azshara? That hard confirms Azshara want(ed) to directly usurp Nzoth then, huh. Interesting stuff.

[@Servellion]

Dude, she's been using dark magics since WC3. Most of her abilities were dark magic. She used them more freely at the beginning of BoA to raise the dead and when using her banshee form. Don't know why people think she's suddenly gotten these powers. About the only thing different is they appear to have gotten stronger as she's never outright shadowblasted something before.

[@prinstyrio0]

@@Servellion I think it's more that these dark powers are different and more potent. We've seen her use powers to poison her arrows and raise the dead, but she's never been much of a sorcerer or caster. That said it seems odd it was brought up now when the powers she used during the BfA cinematic is a lot alike, but whatever, so I'm half agreeing with you but it seems they're going the route of "She's more than just a ranger with necromantic powers thanks to Arthas/Lich King now". Either way on a different topic, I'm excited to see more about these powers of death and who or what might be steering both Azshara and Sylvanas, who apparently got Bwonsamdi and Helya following them too, and whether Lich King Bolvar knows about them, had contact or plans to join. It does seem like there's a third party entering the galactic war whilst Light and Void are busy with eachother, perhaps its to set up for Light and Void to team up and realize the two forces needs to co-exist since death means nothingness and so far even the Void relies on life to exist, which seems what Sylvanas refers to, that everyone standing there will one day die and then all these conflicts, honor, ideals and dreams means nothing. About Calia and Derek, it seems obvious Calia will take over, but it'd be epic if Derek stood up to help and lead the Forsaken as well, with their dynamic of normal and light forsaken. There's also some interesting, perhaps even romantic/poet, implication there of a new Queen and King of Lordaeron, but a flip, seeing as it was likely Arthas would've married Jaina who was also a Proudmoore, so in the end the former of people of Lordaeron gets their royal union of a Menethil and Proudmoore to lead them into their future.

[@kefka2k810]

I think she wants everyone to die so they can see the real person behind all this

[@RatelRegalement]

@@prinstyrio0 Lor'themar, Thalyssra and Jaina, arguably three of the most magic-experienced beings, have no idea what kind it is, or where it's from. Visually perhaps the magic is similar colours to what we know, but to such powerful users, I suspect there's markers and things that help identify spells, like how a veteran artist could recognise particular techniques in a painting. What Sylvanas uses, they don't see anything in it that they're familiar with or can identify. And that's what troubles them.

[@Bane95]

This cinematic gave me throwbacks to the Wrathgate cinematic: The way Saurfang calls out Sylvanas to face him, like Bolvar with Arthas, the way Sylvanas steps out of Orgrimmar like Arthas out of the Wrathgate, Saurfang saying to Sylvanas "Let it be finished" like his son to Arthas, Sylvanas betraying the Forsaken like Putriss. Aw man, so so so good this cinematic is!

[@papabonedaddy4116]

I gaurentee sylvanas Was the one that told him to do it. After all we've witnessed. Gilneas, Teldrasil, lordearon, And now she says the horde is nothing? The truth all comes out now... And what's even sadder, Tyrande has no mercy for the horde....And because of what happened at teldrasil, Anduin siding with the horde now is going to piss her off even more. More faction fractures are coming....I see it...

[@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s]

Just to show that Sylvanas has become Arthas 2.0, the very man she had hated all because she no longer finds any purpose in life anymore.

[@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s]

@@downsideupgoesgroar Yeah, but look at what she is now. She's declared war on life, turned from Alliance public enemy number one to Azeroth's most wanted and broke away alone from the Horde. She may have abandoned the Forsaken, mainly those still loyal to the Horde, but she is bent on making her own, one that shows absolute allegiance to her alone. Not to mention, she's gonna capitalize on N'Zoth's return just to make an army large enough to besiege Azeroth itself.

[@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s]

@@downsideupgoesgroar Well, whatever she's got in mind, it will never end well for the Alliance and the Horde.

[@devinwhite5064]

@@downsideupgoesgroar i agree with you on that Greymane point, i was alliance from the time i started playing to now, Genn shouldnt have lived, his flaws are going to destroy the alliance.

[@plueschtier79]

3:20 Saurfang changed specc from Arms to Fury :P

[@DarkPretender205]

And then gets decked, while he is down he changes back to arms and overpowers her. :P

[@jensjensen4836]

Saurfangs sword skill has risen to 1

[@kerwynbrat5771]

I cried... I can't believe I teared up over a game but I have known these characters for 15 plus years

[@Dyllena]

I cried when we killed ysera and when Varian died... it just means the story matters to you

[@AddamSolo]

@@Dyllena Ysera was rough.... but Varian... jeez. A game shouldn't have that much power over emotions

[@Dyllena]

@@AddamSolo no different from crying during a sad point in a book tbh.

[@AddamSolo]

@@Dyllena I've read hundreds of books both in childhood and teens through young adulthood. From animorphs to steven king, to biographies. A book never made me cry. Shows do though. Titanic did, rick grimes in walking dead, that did. but never a book

[@DevinAspect]

who the hell is cutting onions here?? And i'm with Zappy Boi!! what happens next!! Man what an emotional cinematic!!!

[@Toganni]

Kalestrom Wow - someone's cutting onions here, too! Weird, that ...

[@demonpride1975]

im not crying, your crying. "grabs a tissue" i got dust in my eye yeah that's it.

[@m1bl4n]

Zappyboi 4 warchief

[@ChandaniAranka]

If you like games with stories that had a ton of onions, try FFXIV Shadowbringers. Though to understand it all, you will need to do all the mainstory questlines from A Realm Reborn all the way to the end of Shadowbringers as compared to where WOWs expansions are their own separate, XIVs expansions has a story thread that continues through all of them :) I will admit that even not playing BFA, I really like the cinematic. It was just too short as I am used to cutscene cinematics that lasts for like 20-30minutes ^^

[@JazzyChef]

i had the exact same reaction when I first watched this trailer. I was in tears from this

[@tzoanast1061]

Happy to see a positive reaction from someone, so many people are trashing it just because they dont understand a lot of things that are happening or happen right after it.

[@roargathor]

Or they never bothered to click on Sylvannas back in vanilla.

[@tzoanast1061]

@@roargathor Well, its true she has changed at least a bit after her death in ICC but I agree that a lot of people make it seem like she did a full 180 turn which is ridiculous.

[@xavion15]

tzo anast Peope are bashing it because it’s the obvious story plot that was basically established before bfa even launched, the writing has been super subpar and predictable and there hasn’t been anything interesting about it

[@tzoanast1061]

@@xavion15 Oh? And what story plot would that be? Also a story plot being predictable doesnt mean its a bad one.

[@xavion15]

tzo anast Leader rises to power, wages a war, ends up forsaking their faction with the influence of an old god playing a part in it.. Hmm now where did this happen.. oh yeah Mists of Pandaria did something very similar didn’t they

[@epiccthulu]

Everyone overlooks Sylvanas' expression when she says "I trusted you." Also, remember when Voljin told Sylvanas it was time for her to STEP OUT OF THE SHADOWS? this cinematic made me think of that.

[@Beau74]

I agree. That facial animation- the sheer disgust and scorn on her face is superb.

[@Vinicram]

This is the best king of reaction!! Without speaking and paying attention in every words!! And most importantly: spontaneous reaction!!!!!!

[@MissildineOnline]

You love to see it!

[@Thagesthoughts]

The nice thing about this cinematic is that it finally shows us what Blizz has told us often: Saurfang is SMART. He's a veteran military commander. If I recall right, Blizz is on-record that 'you' are Saurfang in Warcraft 3's orc campaign, much like how 'you' were Orgrim in Warcraft 1's orc campaign. So, what would a smart person do? He would play Sylvanas to get the result he wants. He knows she's a sadist, so he plays on that to get her to agree to a mak'gora, which gets him some much-needed face time without any interruptions. He knows that, for some reason, people expressing their faith in hope really sets her off, and that bringing up her failures REALLY sets her off. So he keeps hitting that button once she gives him an opening to do so. And he keeps hitting that button, until she loses her temper and outs herself. At that point, it's immaterial who wins the mak'gora, and they both know it. So she doubles down on it, figuring if she's going to be ousted she's going to make sure everyone knows exactly what she's thought of them all this time. And he gets his warrior's death, having saved the Horde from an omnicidal tyrant and bought Azeroth some breathing room before the next crisis. Yeah, he knew how the fight was going to turn out, because he knew exactly how to get what he wanted from Sylvanas, having seen her lose her temper multiple times and having plenty of evidence of what sets her off.

[@walroz87]

Today I cried in front of my computer. I took a knee in front of my computer while crying :( Once again Saurfang offered everything he possibly could to save us all. World of Warcraft will never be the same without you High Overlord Varok Saurfang. Tread weary in the shadowlands old friend; I have a strange feeling we will meet again... Lok'tar great hero! /mourn

[@austinharris8116]

I feel the same.. tbh it sickens me how many "Horde" players side with Sylvanas

[@SilverArrowsMP]

@Austin Harris Because there is no "Sylvanas" faction. Sylvanas never really cared about the Horde, obviously, and most people who followed Sylvanas I assume (can only speak in certainty for myself) wanted to follow her because it was her, not because she was or wasn't Horde. I don't get why people try to inject morals into a video game. When I started WoW, I chose Horde because they were the "baddies" so to speak. I wanted my role-playing experience to be with the villains. So I never once thought "oh, I need to insert logic and my real world values into a fantasy video game. I need to write off Sylvanas because she is evil." She is a damn good villain, and that was what I wanted from my WoW experience, as likely did the people who chose to follow her. They probably didn't want to be with the "My Honor hold-hands-and-sing-Kumbaya with the Alliance" Horde. As good as Legion was as an expansion, I still hated the whole Horde-Alliance team-up thing. I want the war, the conflict, the "good vs evil" as it were. Not everyone takes video games so seriously... definitely not to the point of kneeling and crying lol. The fact someone can be that invested in a video game frankly is terrifying.

[@redxhand]

@@SilverArrowsMP population in wow? got feeling the entire people in the world will be extinct xD unless the players populated it xD

[@nickt3176]

SilverArrowsMP don’t be ridiculous. You’ve never been invested in a story before? World of Warcraft is a story at its core. It lives in the largest part through the vehicle of the video game, but there are dozens of novels, graphic novels, comics, etc. that the Warcraft world exists in, and the narrative writers have brought the story to life within the game. Don’t degrade people who have become invested in a story because part of that story takes place within a video game, that is so shallow. Human beings are wired to involve themselves in story.

[@otaku2829]

comming back to this after the announcement of SL i think sylvanas said ''U r all nothing'' bc she wants them to know that they r the play thing of the first ones and cosmological forces ''toy soliders in tin plates''

[@Geeyle]

“Let it be finished” was the same thing his son said when he charged the Lich King at the wrath gates.

[@Ghost3210]

Meanwhile in the Eastern Kingdoms: Helcular running for president of the United States of Undeath.

[@CurseShot]

"Nothing lasts" - "Ours is a cycle of hatred..." The Banshee Queen is an Anti-Hero, she is not a Thrall. She is not a Saurfang. She is someone who has seen death and met Death. Thrice she has died but only twice did she enter the Shadowlands. "If you could see yourselves as I see you" She is implying more but she knows that they do not understand the connotation, so she makes it antagonizing. Death itself is the only way to stop the Void. We see this in several places throughout lore. The void does not like absolutes. Death is the absolute. It is why the Burning Legion set out to snuff the life from the universe, so the Void could not corrupt it. It is why the void energies do not corrupt the undead as it does the living. Sylvanas is by no means a "good guy" but she is not the villain. Though she can not trust anyone, for everyone who she does ends up betraying her. "You have the luxury of underestimating death..." Sylvanas sees the only power to stop and bring the world into peace is to use decay. Death."In the end, Death claims us all"

[@arminarlert1953]

I kinda agree. Sylvanas is cooking something. She must have been focused in a grand mission thats why she pertains them as tin soldiers sort of. She is kinda illidan but we are still unsure of her true motives and what will it bear fruit. Was she triggered? Or did she also took advantage of the duel. Did she predict this?

[@darknovatv8281]

are we players getting prepared for a massive change in wow history, like everybody is going to become undead? even orcs?

[@DMWolFGurL]

I cried the whole time knowing he was going to die. I never cry and I'm Alliance all the way, but seeing him die and knowing his story and being the nerd I am, I actually cried.

[@PasskiX]

the king of the alliance dragging a dead orc into orgrimmar, respected by the horde that helps him. anduin is a much greater king as varian was. he is greatness

[@funnyvalentine6670]

Varian when he was young saved Saurfang's life and highly respected Thrall and Saurfang. There was a time when the entirety of the Orcs were captured and Varian convinced the captors to keep them alive instead of execution. Both Varian and Anduin are very powerfully willed and high spirited men. Doing what they believe is right. Both Horde and Alliance having people to attack the peace of all Azeroth.

[@elite_rock_god2292]

Saurfang truly was and always Will be a legend. A True champion of the horde and azeroth.

[@FutayuriShironeko]

"When shattered mask hangs above your hearth, only then you'll know. And it will be too late"- Varimathras

[@Suprasylph]

Tyrande is coming. The Army of the Black Moon isn't going to walk away from this cycle.

[@DMWolFGurL]

New subber btw. I haven't played Shadowlands yet, but IMHO, I would LOVE to see Arthas resurrected, more than I have Sylvanas endure. I fucking hate Sylvans. But I haven't played Shadowlands yet, because of the RONA, I cannot afford it. Luckily I have a payment for SWTOR until Feb. YES SWTOR FANATIC HERE! Star Wars is my life but Warcraft lore is my second life, I have read most of the WC books now. I have them on audio, I love the WC universe!

[@kreffus]

Also, for some reason, Sylvannas flying away reminded my of N'Zoth flying away in the Fall of Azshara cinematic...

[@lollekompolle]

I love your genuine attachment to the world and the characters and the lore. One can see it in every of your reactions and words. There are so many reactions out there just because many people have understood that there are many suckers for reactions out there. And you can feel that many of them are just no genuine; they clearly lack knowledge of the lore and therefore credibility and you can see they only do it because they know it's popular. And for some reason they are successful with it because people are liking it anyway. But yours imho is the only kind of reaction that truly matters and deserves to be appreciated.

[@FyuriasLeo]

What really get's me when he in a sense takes up arms for both factions, like he led both factions armies during AQ and it just brings up so many more emotions.

[@thomasaugustto]

9:48 Sylvanas uses Crucible of Flame rank 4 to one-shot Saurfang. Also will we hold an election for Warchief now?

[@demonpride1975]

thrall is coming back as warchief. tho i think he needs to step up his game, no longer be green jesus.

[@Gebirges]

We don't need a Warchief.

[@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s]

Thrall's not coming back as Warchief, as usual. I vote for Baine.

[@demonpride1975]

@@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s yes he is, trust me that would be the only reason they bring thrall back, you think they are going to bring him back to save baine and stand at the gates of orgrimmar while varok gets killed. then goes back into hiding, come on man this shit is writing itself.

[@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s]

@@demonpride1975 Doubtful, giving that Thrall has said that he wouldn't lead the Horde. Then again, because of this, anyone else more notable could be the new warchief.

[@nicedream1001]

That moment where she said “the Horde is nothing”, was not her plan. Saurfang has tricked it out of her. In that moment she realizes what she said and how she’s lost the Horde. She then calculates in the span of a heartbeat that whatever she has planned has gone far enough that she doesn’t need the Horde. She’s still pissed about being cut, though, so she continues to lash out all of them.

[@kerwynbrat5771]

and Saurfang smiles... He knows he has won

[@HaiwafaHolmes]

I really like your analysis of these cinematics. You don't let your emotions blind you to what these characters stand for. I'm just appalled at people who think Sylvanas would never do a thing such as abandon the Horde and Forsaken. Everything she does she does for herself. Now that she has the power she needs she is on her own. RIP Saurfang. You got your honorable death. You died so that the Horde and Alliance could live.

[@walroz87]

See you in Ny'alotha mate, you will soon see the bigger picture 😊

[@tree9032]

I love Zappy boi’s face when he carries Varok, you can see so many emotions. His face says it all.

[@DMWolFGurL]

Saurfang is right though, IRL, you cannot kill Hope or Love for that matter EVER. He is a true warrior, Until I know Sylvanas's true motives, I HATE THAT BITCH! Which is so ironic because I am so completely Darksided on all of Repubelic toons on SWTOR! xD

[@davidspaulding457]

Its here! Woot! What? I def haven't been refreshing this for like an hour. Nope, not me. LETS GOOOO

[@acolyte10mg]

Tink Tink for warchief

[@ArcanaMythra]

i sooo appreciate that you understood the symbolism of anduin giving saurfang Shalamayne, so many people gloss over that

[@aumnlvl80]

9:45 That moment where the warrior pops his def cds on a destro lock that just got his burst........

[@bepper66]

This is the fifth or sixth time I watch this cinematic and still I get goosebumbs when Varok shouts" Mak'Gora". Such a powerful cinematic.

[@KirTyun]

Awesome cinematic, as always. But now I got two questions out of it: Who will be the next Warchief? I expect it to be Thrall as he doesn't get to hide. But more importantly to me: Who will lead the forsaken and will they be even accepted within the horde/azeroth any longer?

[@AramisRamirez1]

*tink tink*

[@Matisaha]

tink tinked her way right into my heart.

[@darcocreed6]

tink tink

[@WolfmanXD]

I feel the opposite. I feel like she slipped, for 1 millisecond, and she knew she fucked up at that point. Saurfang outplayed her, he never meant to win. You can even see the "oops" in her reaction right after she says it. And she was pissed that he outplayed her. So she just went down that road. By that point, I feel like she already got all she needed out of the horde anyway. Now, admittedly, this comment is a year late, and from someone who never touched bfa or shadowlands. So take it for what it's worth.

[@Mucrush]

Pretty sure Sylvanas got triggered by being told that she failed at everything and therefore said "The Horde is NOTHING!" and once she saw her mistake, she probably felt "Oh well now its out of the bag, might as well run with it" and therefore called them all NOTHING since she knew she would be outnumbered after betraying the Horde right in front of everyone.

[@Matisaha]

She felt/saw the disdain of the forsaken near her and realized "oh fuck, they all heard me" forsaken too for all their loyalty to the dark lady have clung to whatever little they had. In the end, as you saw, the undead went, with some hesitation at first, for the horde fully to the sound of tink tink.

[@TheDarkEmporer]

I dont think it is her frustration with being told she failed. I think it is her frustration with everyone's reliance and illogical loyalties to something as vague as horde and alliance when there is far greater threats. Its pretty obvious she wanted to unite the factions and she simply saw a out earlier than expected. It is somewhat more explained in the loyalty quest after the cinematic.

[@DevinAspect]

there is SOOOO much to unpack in this cinematic alone, like i have no idea where they plan to go next after 8.3. I really hope the story of this game just keeps getting better cause i'm so in love with the story!!

[@ukomega]

Why is he so god darn adorable!??! It's a joy to watch these reactions!

[@SnowyZoex]

Such a powerful cinematic! Got so many chills and it’s amazing! Rip Saurfang. For Azeroth!!

[@TheMightySpeckyNerd]

IM NOT CRYING YOURE CRYING

[@garouchieflol]

I KNEW IT" she did it she became the beacon of common hate for horde and alliance to break the cicle once and for all she knew whats coming thanks to the vision she had when she touched azerite for the first time.

[@RatelRegalement]

It's something I only remember in passing , but I seem to want to recall that to be able to split Shalamayne in such a manner takes a very particular strength of character. For Varok to be able to do is exceptionally striking.

[@1wing1]

great reaction dude, u could see the hope in ur eyes before it all went to shit. this is what reactions should be like

[@Barce1023]

Blizz make a tv series or something out of this story, I want more😂

[@raidwipe]

more of this story? holy shit you're the first person I've seen to ask that haha

[@Canareh2310]

I need more! We don't get enough :(

[@slinttu1378]

Canareh We havent gotten any cinematics except the trailers before bfa but in Bfa we have gotten like 5 cinematics. I think we get enough

[@Barce1023]

dip.C Well I really mean just the story in the the cinematics, not the whole bfa expansion most of it sucks lol

[@Canareh2310]

@@slinttu1378 Oh yeah true lol. Blizzard trying to make up for a shitty expansion

[@thornwalker4655]

I died inside... Well at least Anduin was there, almost forgot that Alliance existed xD

[@JABO95SA]

You know you're someone when the fucking king of Stormwind carries your body on his back.

[@Toganni]

You are right, she *is* cunning. But she is also full of rage, hatred and pride. Her outburst was a mistake, not deliberate. The following statement was, however. She's secure in he plans that she can drop the ruse; she no longer needs it to succeed. I am curious to see if we get a choice now o claim our faction. I don't need an icon to tell me what faction my characters serve; I think they will serve another function.

[@KC-py5vq]

David Vance correct, but she succeeded at achieving her goal, which was to unite the horde and alliance for a bigger threat yet to come

[@Toganni]

rambeck brad Absolutely. She definitely did an 'oops', but it's fine: she accomplished her goals. I don't think she meant to reveal herself just yet - you can see it on her face when she realized what she said.

[@stealthyspy1012]

@@Toganni because she doesn't care about either, she wants all life on Azeroth dead so that she can "enslave" them, hell she's so narcissistic that she thinks she can even enslave nzoth himself even tho we've never even seen him physically. Her problem is that she only cares for herself, she didn't even care for the rest of the forsaken who she "freed". Sylvanas was always evil ever since arthas died. I can continue if you want just let me know what it is you want

[@Toganni]

StealthySpy101 No need to continue, you're not saying anything I don't already know.

[@stealthyspy1012]

@@Toganni well that hurt, anyways I just thought you were trying to defend her

[@kerwynbrat5771]

Look at his smile when she says the Hord is nothing

[@SirBuljo]

I like how saurfang literally teaches anduin and zekhan about not chasing the past. He's literally hoping the youngsters will go on to have a better future than the life he lived in that moment. /salute

[@PandaFrost]

Sylvanas: FOR THE HORDE! Also Sylvanas: YOU ARE ALL NOTHING! ???

[@alejandroyava]

It was always a show. She needed to rally them up, encourage them with the thing that they want to fight for, while she used them all the time.

[@morgana001]

This Cinematic, it broke my heart a little..in a godd a bittersweet way.

[@ChouhouinNeko]

undead flagbeared: *stares at Sylvanas * are we jokes to you? you made us.

[@amandag1147]

So I had to sit at my desk and collect myself after sobbing uncontrollably for 10 minutes.

[@Retnoob]

Like my fencing teacher always said, "Speed kills."

[@Darklarik]

So does cheating dark magics

[@AbuRas0]

Thrall’s Axe & Varian Shalamayne, also note that only Varian was able to split the sword, and the “let it be finished”. Too much significance 🥺. The old soldier got the death he wanted in the end, the death that honors him

[@chrisidoo]

14:37 - His inner Mark Hamill comes out!

[@diekatze9361]

looks so real .. Love it .. Once again .. it draws you in ...

[@-maluxia-4354]

noooo not Saurfang.... 😭 😭 😭 i'm so sad now. Thanks Blizzard!...

[@Senyuki-San]

i cried so much :( i loved this character....but i knew that this would come :(

[@johanrevelid2067]

One of the best reactions I have seen :)

[@CloudStrife890727]

Question is will Calia Menethil lead the forsaken as light forsaken, who will be the next warchief? Hoping for Baine that will be able to mend ties with the night elves. Sylvanas is not in league with the void lords but a different faction, faction of death and shadowlands, remember the three windrunner sisters story when the void called for one of the sister to kill Sylvanas, that the voids true enemy is death?

[@kyvanrae]

The next Warchief? The golden hair boy in the blue clothes ;)

[@petrgalko4152]

In the end its gonna be Sylvanas that unites the Azeroth. I think her goal is not to ''kill hope'' but to drive both sides to theire knees so that they are forced to unite just to survive. Sylvanas is waay too smart to sucumb to anger and just burst out like that unless she has a reason.

[@DieZockerZone1]

14:32 the eyes say . fuck im not alone , he heard me, than she looks to right and is pissed, like (must this happen right now?)(this is not really happen) than she goes all in and shout it out

[@ImperiousWow]

I wonder if Sylvanas is so perfect calculated, then i wonder what such black power she used on him, cause it did more than damage, or she could just put the dagger from chest 4:04 and kill him. If Sylvanas didnt used the power, she will have died. What I see, are references to the WrathGate, whole scene, the way doors opening, slowly opening, Sylvanas/Lich King walks out. "you speak of justice etc/traitor leading traitors". I count Saurfang as Dranosh and Bolvar. Before Saurfang did first strike, he quoted "Let it be finished" as Dranosh said too... And got slayed by LichKing's sword and drained the soul of him, so I think the power is the same thing. And i think Saurfang will became a new boss later somewhow... These are my opinions and decisions

[@AcerbusUmbra]

Out of all the negative reactions I see against BfA, and all the stone faced reactions to this cinematic and their critical words, it's good to see someone just enjoying it for it what is. It makes me happy to see you excited and happy, I'm moved that you're moved. All the negativity lately is just been such a drag lately. For Azeroth! *tink tink*

[@Martin-kb8bv]

Really awesome reaction :D #RespectForSaurfang

[@Zoulz666]

She misspoke, realized it and figured it didn't really matter. Her use for the horde is no longer needed. She is powerful enough now to set her real plans into motion, whatever they might be. My guess is that death somehow makes her more powerful, and there has been a lot of it during BfA. That probably was her intent all along. To cause death.

[@P6r9n]

Syl is so badass! For the Horde!

[@placebo5466]

My ass getting emotional on the train ride home. Get it together man!

[@ASXCyphin]

If Sylvannas' choice to push the line of "You are all nothing" was intentional, it is because she now knows that the Horde is truly united now. The Horde has never been more united than it is right now. The Horde will now last against whatever greater threat comes next because they are fully united. "The Horde is nothing", "You are all nothing", and "Nothing lasts".

[@nelyu2344]

why is this taking so long, i wanna watch his reaction :D

[@amandag1147]

Also, how the heck are more Foresaken going to be made now that Sylvannas has fucked off?

[@drmik94]

Dude when are you back to stream more world of warcraft please back we enjoying watching ur wow expérience

[@MissildineOnline]

I stream WoW almost everyday!

[@drmik94]

@@MissildineOnline what time ?

[@MissildineOnline]

@@drmik94 9am to 1pm est

[@ET-gh4qv]

As Saurfang begins his final monologue, Sylvanas is smirking. As he keeps beating at her with all her failures - to cause all the death she wanted - her smirk fades into an angry snarl. She was right on the edge, then out of nowhere Saurfang struck her with a holy light weapon. #MassivelyTriggered

[@steveschweichler9794]

She said what she said because she no longer needs the horde. They have served their purpose

[@Dark0yoshe]

also Sylvannas did not have that kind of power before. something in her has changed...this leads me to think about vol jin and he trying to find out what loa told him to pick her as warchief. so she has to be backed by some new power,

[@Trygvar13]

The Forsaken were rejected by everyone and the Horde welcomed them. Saying the Horde is nothing is particularly hard for them. If you sided with Sylvanas before there is another cinematic that explains her plan. I can't wait to see what comes next.

[@danielcoronado4010]

Sylvanas went along with it because she can't have both armies, alliance and horde spent so fast in that war when there is the war against Nzoth coming, after Nzoth is dead everyone else can be killed by her so they can fight in the shadowlands.

[@twixresistanse3674]

whatever one can say, in fact, Sylvanas is the one who actually united the horde and the alliance. It's all because of her, she became the reason

[@gonzalonavarro9584]

"Convinced that the primitive races of the horde can help them achieve victory over their enemies; the forsaken have entered an alliance of convenience, harboring no true loyalty for their new allies, they will go to any lengths to ensure their dark plans come to fruition. as one of the forsaken you must massacre any who pose a threat to the new order.. human.. undead... or otherwise." "We are the Forsaken, we will slaught anyone who stands in our way" Polemic begins!

[@Raven-zz4zt]

5:00 the forsaken: "the f*** you say???"

[@jenniferchough]

If you play a Loyalist to Sylvanas, you will get a cutscene after this and hear what her plan was for BFA and what her plan is going forward.

[@AICabal]

For all of BFA's system faults, the story, cinematics have been incredible and I am so hyped to go to Blizzcon in only a few short weeks! It's going to be amazing!

[@celiaperez9637]

I don't think sylvanas had it planned. You can see that she says it right after being hurt by the light of the sword, can we say that the light "forced" her to tell the truth for a second? And the speech she gives, she has already been unmasked anyway. What does she care? It is best to run away

[@stefankrunic8188]

Agreed! Whatever the people say, I love the BfA!

[@chrisevangelow8138]

Just remember that Sylvanas doesn't necessarily use void energy/magic, the marks and magic she uses is all death magic. Keep in mind that from the Windrunner comic the voidlords whisper to Alleria that Sylvanas is death and that Sylvanas is the "Enemy". Sylvanas even calls Alleria a monster for the void magic she uses. Also remember that Sylvanas still has a bargain with Helya, a being tied to the Shadowlands, and Helya is not dead she's still active. So don't think that because Sylvanas is void corrupted(or has a void influence) because of her outbursts and how she is acting, Sylvanas has a goal that no one is aware about at the moment and she wants to keep it that way so she can ultimately get what she wants. Everything is stacked in her favor from her perspective this is how she wants things to go and her motives might not be as sinister as everyone makes it out to be so just have that in mind. It's also worth taking a look at the Sylvanas Loyalist epilogue cinematic because her and Azshara have plans for what is going to happen and she says that even N'zoth will soon serve death. Just some food for thought ;P

[@devinwhite5064]

personally i believe she is slightly corrupted by the Old Gods. Yogg Saron specifically. She did kinda impale herself on a spike of crystalized old god blood

[@chrisevangelow8138]

@@devinwhite5064 It's explained in the chronicles by Arthas that undeath is a way of evading Old God whispers/corruption.

[@Jsten16]

Anyone else see this battle and get instantly reminded if Achilles vs hector in the movie TROY.

[@RiftGamer272]

You should watch the cutscene after the battle if you are a Sylvanas Loyalist, there you will get to know a bit more about Sylvanas Plans.

[@blowurmind2351]

link pls

[@RiftGamer272]

@@blowurmind2351 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKKUmmqubtusgM0

[@funnyvalentine6670]

She's Claw from Professor Gadget

[@frankohero]

Sylvanas gave Saurfang his honourable death. She united Horde/Horde with Alliance. Everything that happened was her plan. I think she MADE Saurfang betray her.

[@MissildineOnline]

Agreeeed. Sylvanas is STILL working towards something

[@DMWolFGurL]

I think I finally see it, as a dumbass, that Sylvanas is being controlled COMPLETELY by the Eye of the Jailer. Yes, I haven't played Shadowlands yet, but I know the Eye of the Jailer of the Maw because of the comments.

[@terbin4487]

#herebeforethevideoevenplayed

[@janhoyer5742]

same #herebeforethevideoevenplayed

[@Thready704]

me too! #herebeforethevideoevenplayed

[@Alvaro-yw8lm]

Saurfang is gonna be the martyr for the Horde and the Alliance. They'll unite as one faction thanks to him, to fight against Sylvanas and Death itself, and N'zoth and the Void itself. I'm in dude.

[@papabonedaddy4116]

Thanks Blizz...I didn't need my heart today anyway...

[@theengineerguy8607]

For me, I think that part where Sylvanas says the Horde is nothing... I don't think that's intentional... in a way. I think she wanted that to happen later, but her rage and hatred was fueled to such a threshold by Saurfang, which as you mentioned is most likely his intention in the first place, that she snapped out of her usual calculative side for just a moment because of the raw emotions Saurfang's taunting brought to her. You can see how she paused when she realized she said it and knowing that there's no coming back, she just continued and in turn, snapped out of the Horde. Hope everyone realizes that snapping her out of that calculating side, arguably her most deadly, is a weakness. But again, this is coming from a newbie WoW lore fan who became one when BFA was released with its awesome intro cinematic, and from there started his way back to learn much of the lore. I'm open to be corrected peeps. Lok'tar Ogar, Varok Saurfang. This member of the Alliance recognizes your honor, and of the Horde in subsequent.

[@swordmonkey6635]

No. Saurfang wasn't egging her on to make her lose her temper. He wanted to take her out as fast as possible (the honorable thing), but he was outmatched. The swords splitting was a happy surprise for Saurfang and allowed him to slip past her guard. But he knew it wouldn't work a second time and went all in at the end before he got blapped. I wanted Sylvanas to win, but not to skate away right afterward. She's all cool and collected when you meet her later in the quest. She's the ultimate pragmatist and used the Horde when it suited her agenda (and she never made a secret about it).

[@MissildineOnline]

Saurfang was absolutely egging her on. He knew he stood no chance. He just wanted to display something to her Horde