World of Warcraft: Cinematic: “Reckoning” (Spoiler)

[@vikingsman18]

Saurfang, Thrall and Anduin were leading the combined Horde and Alliance forces against Sylvanas and her Horde loyalist army. The city they were at was Orgrimmar, which is the capital city of the Horde. During the fight when Saurfang cut Sylvanas and she then said "the Horde is nothing" and got that death stare from her bannerman, it showed that she doesn't actually care for the Horde. It seemed that Saurfangs plan all along was to trick her into showing her true colors. After which she killed him using her magic. The scene at the end when Thrall said "we bring him home" was referring to bringing Saurfangs body back to Orgrimmar. Which is why it was a pretty powerful end scene when it showed the bannerman tap her banner to the ground signalling them to open the gates of Orgrimmar to let them bring his body in. So all in all, it seems like Sylvanas lost the support of her loyalist army and now all forces will join together to beat her, but that is just my speculation at the end there.

[@GamingisArt2040]

It easier to compare it to GoT with the Starks being run out of Winterfell, even though thay were forced out, it was still home to them.

[@jasonsamons6700]

plus the fact that she used magic to win means she cheated and was therefor no longer warchief

[@eriuz]

@@jasonsamons6700 it is allowed to use magic on the Mak'gora say it by Chris Metzen.

[@justine8398]

@@eriuz I don't know where people got this idea that magic can't be used as nothing since the birth of Warcraft/ WoW ever said that magic is strictly forbidden in any graphic novels, games or books as the terms of battle are decided between the two dueling. Besides Sylvanas won that fight anyways as she could of easily plunged those daggers into his skull while Saurfang was on his knees cradling his chest wound. The Mak'gora means "duel of honor" and is an Orcish custom whereby someone may challenge a superior for leadership and possibly to the individual Orc clans. Traditionally it is a duel to the death but under Warchief Thrall's new rule of his new Horde it became a non-lethal combat. This ritual is commonly associated with the position of Horde Warchief, but it can apply to a group of any size. Mak'gora can also be used to call another's honor into question. In a traditional Mak'gora, the challengers "set the terms" of the engagement. For example, in the case of Garrosh Hellscream and Cairne Bloodhoof, Cairne decided the rules were: each person may use only one weapon, blessed by a shaman of their choosing, and wear only a loin cloth. Furthermore each person must have at least one witness present ("Although I daresay we'll have more than that.").

[@fonglisproduction9108]

@@jasonsamons6700 there is only 4 rules on a mak'gora , it's a fight to death (it's change by thrall when he was warchief , death is no longer required) ; it's without armor , each fighter need have one or more witnesses and the last rule : fighter decide all other rules , include magic or not. For the armor rules , the two fighter (sylvanas and saurfang) didn't request to fight without armor , two are ok with that so it's legit , no one say magic forbidden so legit too.

[@petrgalko4152]

So just some info about the ''fairness'' of the battle. Mak'Gora doesnt really have any rules. The rules are determind by the participants before theire battle beggins. The amount of weapons used, usage of magic atc. So unless the rule of no magic is said by any of the 2 fighters than magic is allowed. So what Sylvanas did was not dishonorable, she was allowed and fully justified to use her magic at any point since neither Saurfang nor her set any rules. When it comes to the ''Castle''. That was the main city of the Horde called Orgrimmar. Sylvanas was the newest warchief (Hordes leader). On the other side was Saurfang (The old orcish soldier) who rebeled against Sylvanas due to a thing she did in the past. Saurfang hated Sylvanas for the way she used and lied to the horde and brought it to a place without honor. Because of this rebelion the Horde was split into 2 sides: Saurfang believers and Sylvanas loayalists. Saurfang made a deal with the King of the Aliance because both of them wanted what was best for theire people and theire world. So when Aliance and The Horde was standing infront of Orgrimmar they werent facing enemies but theire brothers and sisters inside theire home! The Mak'Gorah battle was always ment to end like this and Saurfang knew that! It was intentional. He needed to make Sylvanas angry so that she would show the entire Horde her true colors. Which she did and his plan worked, but what unites people more than a happy news? Tragedy! He sacrificed himself so that the horde would unite again, saving countless of lives, preventing a war between both sides of the Horde AND showing to Aliance that The Horde are people who simply want to live theire lives. His sacrifice united his people and The Aliance. When Sylvanas yelled ''The Horde is NOTHING''. You can clearly see how the undead who was holding the Banner slowly turned to her in shock! They realized that Sylvanas never cared for The Horde and when she left, she left them without any leadership, they were alone. So when the guys picked Saurfang up and brougth him to the gates of Orgrimmar, the entire Horde started to make that ''Ding Ding'' noise as a sign of respect to Saurfang and as an appology for trusting Sylvanas. They let them in so that they could burry the hero who saved them all! PS: The ''Soldier'' that gave Saurfang his sword was The King of Aliance!

[@KNDaedX]

Also before dead Varok said "Let it be finished" just like his son at ICC Gates before Arthas killed him

[@petrgalko4152]

@@KNDaedX Yeah but since they had no idea the gates were from orgrimmar or that Anduin was the King of the aliance I didnt include that in since well to much stuff at the same time to process.

[@iarmandov2]

This is a version of a TL:DR To long, Didnt Play

[@charlesbukowski3460]

"Aren't they worried their Tusk's will pierce their eyes?" "Imagine how chapped their bottom lip must get" Jane Out Here Asking All The Real Questions No-One Else Has Even Thought Of.

[@yedigemagavin1694]

Orc lips are STRONG

[@SeeJaneGoTV]

Lololol ❤😘

[@MrVolreg]

@@yedigemagavin1694 not as strong as you leadership through out the expansions though :v

[@JynxedKoma]

@@yedigemagavin1694 Our lips WILL ENDURE!

[@EBurnall]

The castle is a city. It was a rebellion to dethrone Sylvanas for her war crimes. The spoiler is that she did not care for the people she was leading, they were just tools to advance an unknown plan of hers. Also Saurfang received the "warrior's death" he wanted from the first cinematic.

[@TheSyncos]

The Horde capital of Orgrimmar is where they were fighting. Sylvanas was made Warchief in the Legion expansion, and made a lot of... questionable decisions. The really powerful thing in the sign of respect at the end, is that it was HER bannermen. The undead, of whom she was their queen who were holding the flags. She turned on her people, and called them all nothing, and Saurfang got his horde back. The ultimate sacrifice.

[@thewowgamer100]

She was the horde war chief (sylvannas windrunner) and when she screamed the horde is nothing it showed her true colors so the loyalists realized they shouldnt fight for her anymore and let the rebels who were side by side with the alliance (humans) into the city because they realized they're fighting for the same cause as them against sylvannas.

[@thegreatsandro6910]

For the Dark Lady. Always

[@Airsayle19]

For the Dark Lady.

[@MacauMartin]

Glory to the Banshee queen!! The horde is nothing.

[@Bronx_ee]

@@MacauMartin Dead queen is nothing. For the azeroth, For the true horde!

[@MacauMartin]

@@Bronx_ee For the Dark Lady. Always.

[@alexc5243]

The ending scene when they “bring him home” is powerful because Saurfang did what he set out to do: reveal Sylvanas’ true allegiance and to convince her loyalists that she is not worth following. Coming into the cinematic, they were two factions ready to do battle but like Saurfang said “or perhaps just one [life],” his own life rather than the countless deaths a battle would have caused. They gain entry to Orgrimmar to bury him in the city that was his home.

[@rwyot767]

The majority has been explained by other people here in the comments, but to explain that part at the end: The Orc traditions state that when one challenges the other to “Mak’gora” both opponents are only allowed to use either their bare hands or martial weapons like swords, daggers, axes, etc. It’s illegal to use any type of magic during “Mak’gora” which is why Sylvanas dipped right after she killed Saurfang, knowing she had broken the rules and the Horde was not gonna stand for that. Rip our boi Saurfang.

[@Starchicky12000]

Actually, there is no rule stating you can't use magic during Mak'gora.

[@murloccruiser8028]

in Battle for Azeroth there was the Sylvanas (warchief) horde side and Saurfang/Thrall horde side (those who didn't accept Sylvanas actions like burning a tree with... pretty much innocents people living inside) thing is : Sylvanas don't really do things "for the horde" but for herself, Saurfang sacrificed himself to open the eyes of those who could't see that and avoid unnecessary losses. When Sylvanas said "The horde is nothing" those who were loyal to her realised they did a huge mistake. And the "enemy castle" is Orgrimmar: it is the capital city of the horde and was under control of Sylvanas until her loyalists realized they were betrayed. you should see "the negociation" this one happened before "the reckoning" but it still help a little to get how they get there

[@doorran]

The alliance "soldier" was King Anduin, son of Varian; He gave his fathers sword to Saurfang.

[@aussie_boosh]

Blizzard uses extensive mo-cap for these cinematics, particularly for facial animation. There is a great video showing them do some of the mo-cap for Anduin for the original BfA cinematic. It is still extremely impressive what they manage to do, however, particularly with the faces of orcs. And there is undoubtedly a lot of hand-tweaking to achieve those results.

[@hyrelia]

There was basically a civil war forming in the Horde. Sylvanas was Warchief but she was doing very questionable things so many people broke away from her, lead by the main orc Saurfang. They were laying siege to the Horde's own capital city, as a rebellion. At the beginning Saurfang said "Those who defend Orgrimmar are Horde as well, our brothers and sisters", that's what he meant. The reason they let them in was because they heard Sylvanas shout "the Horde is nothing", and they realised her true character, that she cares nothing for them. So they opened the gates and let the rebellion and Saurfang in, because they realised what the right side to be on was.

[@TheJurkebox85]

Sarufang just died. Chick: "That was such a cool animation"... failed >.

[@HappyWoWer]

The "Castle" is called Orgrimmar. It is the capital city of the Orcs and therefore the capital of the Horde. Sylvannas was made warchief of the horde, many inside the horde didn't agree with her methods and turned against her. That is why they took him home, as orgrimmar is his home that got over taken by a reckless warchief.

[@Dularr]

If you want. There are several "post credit scenes." Even includes the Sylvanas loyalist cinematic.

[@NitroCigarette]

One of my favourite things about Blizz cinematics is they're hand animated. Masterpieces imo.

[@aussie_boosh]

They aren't though, they have used extensive mo-cap for a while now. Particularly for facial animations. There is a video of them showing how they captured Anduin's facial animation for the original BfA cinematic. This absolutely does not diminish how amazing their cinematics are, however.

[@NitroCigarette]

@@aussie_boosh Actually, they do hand animate. Final Boss's Bay has talked about this in the past, also mentioning he's spoken directly to the animators about it. They mocap faces but nothing else. BUT, they mocap the faces for reference, and clean it up via hand animation. (This is evident in the very video you mention where they scan Anduin's face model)

[@Se-du7sh]

I'm just here to comment that i'm glad other people explain the cinematic to them so I don't have to :)

[@AlexSaheli]

Its partially motion capture. Btw check out world of warcraft: afterlives cinematic

[@Zaudejis]

I don't even play the game anymore and understand more of it than you guys. NORMIES!

[@jasondeandulierjr.299]

Pretty sure it is capture since they all have actual actors that have to wear the dots and stuff. Anduin's face actor is gorgeous

[@emphatic1988]

Both Saurfang brothers were special. FOR THE HORDE!

[@MrVolreg]

4:55 its funny to say that cause what you saw in the cinematic is called "Mac'gora" and its a battle of strenght between 2 people only by using swords,axes etc but NOT magic! it is forbiden!

[@manueltorres6638]

" but NOT magic! it is forbiden!", thats a fanbase misconception.

[@deangeloellis729]

That blade that split apart is is name Shalamayne but before it was called that it actually two blades Shalla'tor (Shadow Render) and Ellemayne (Reaver) used by 2 twin night elves named Vor'llian and Lo'vellian then later on Jaina had the blades and gave them to Varian when he was split into 2 people to fight a black dragon who split him into 2 people she fused the 2 Varians back together and the blades fused into a new sword. That blade is badass....if you wonder what the most powerful weapon on Azeroth there a axe called The Axe of Cenarius and it bascially a WMD and it is currently owned by Saurfangs niece Thura. When Thura shows up heads will roll.

[@biggswigg2613]

Pretty late to the video here but I figured it would be fantastic to see you react to the longer video since you have reacted to all the parts. They released the videos out of chronological order so they could get people excited for the story, but the longer video is in true chronological order. Just a few notes about it as a whole: The younger orc from "Safe Haven" is Thrall, the founder of the Horde who left some time ago for a peaceful life. The blonde human is Anduin, a priest and king of the Alliance. The sword is his father's who passed recently (he was much more the warrior than his diplomat son). Mak'Gora is the oricsh tradition of ritual combat. Though the rules are allowed to be stated before hand, there are some common themes that are usually followed: no armor, no magic, witnesses for both sides, and a transfer of power to the victor if not to the death. Thrall, when founding the horde, decreed it shall not be to the death to preserve his warriors (unless both sides asked for it to be such) If I forgot something I do apologize, but this should be perfect to clear up any questions the cinematic leaves vague as "knowledge players of the game should already know"

[@hex9930]

Like most of the comments say, if you wish to know more of what you saw in the cinematic then follow these easy steps. 1.) Download the game! (It's free to play up to level 20.) 2.) Spend $15 for a months worth of game time and try out the game for real by exploring the massive world of Azeroth and delving into storylines that many of us have come to love and adore. 3.) If you actually get the game and like it then the last step is to savor it! Don't rush through it all just to see the end game stuff and to hit the highest level cap. Enjoy your time and embrace the large sums of lore this game has to offer.

[@xyr3s]

sylvanas is current warchief of the horde. saurfang is leading a rebel faction that does not agree with sylvanas's methods. the rebel faction joined with the alliance to march on orgrimmar. the horde capitol. they let him in because regardles of his current standing, he used to be one of the horde's biggest champions. so he's allowed to be put to rest within the capitol.

[@akoskralik3053]

4:56 Did you seriously expect that Sylvanas will be fair? We are talking about the mistress of deception. Ever since Arthas Menethil, the Lich King's first death knight tormented her, and turned her into the first Banshee when the Undead Scourge ravaged the high elven kingdom of Quel'Thalas, she has forgotten the meaning of the word. From that moment on she only knew that dark power and deception gets her what she wants.

[@Notorious224]

She was leading the horde, that was the horde headquarters. Saurfang teamed up with the blonde dude, remember?

[@xO_oxDK]

They will probably end up making her the end boss... would make sense. She was always a bit in between and it would be fitting that the character that opened the game with her voice over gets to end it. I do love her though... she's the most complex of the characters and Patty Maddison has done an amazing job putting life and intend into Sylvanas.

[@rachelheffron224]

That gate they fought in front of is the main entrance to the Horde capital city. the entire war arc is basically the horde vs alliance and horde rebels. at the end they were taking him home to be buried

[@michaelcoffey1991]

Never knew you all did Wow's cutscene's they were almost always legendary even when the game was poop. I am sure all the comments told you but he won by revealing her as ONLY about her and having her remove herself as leader of the Horde. Some back catalog this morning. You guys should do the rest of these at some point. Wife and I left after Legion I recommend alot of Legion's cut scene's.

[@crunchyspider]

They do use some mo-cap.

[@Coolrockndad]

Windrunner cheats using her dark magic when she sees she might lose.

[@benjaminrupertodomingo1707]

Sylvana cheated not on the duel, she cheated to the whole Horde, by taking advantage of her position as the warchief. Saurfang exposed her cheating(dishonor) to every present Horde member, whether Saurfang loyalist or Sylvanas loyalist. In a way, yes she cheated; but not during the duel but from the beginning up to the point where she was exposed. Now the Shadowlands begins, i would expect we kick her Bossy ass in this next expansion. Hehehe

[@tyroneloki5131]

Sylvanas till the end

[@kathyhoward4501]

That was Varian's sword.

[@cyberpunkgirl7907]

Please do World of Warcraft ShadowLands Reaction!

[@sam-psonsmith9951]

They City Was Ogrimmar. Capitol of the Hord. Sylvanas was the War Chief of the Hord at this time. But she lead them into war crimes which is why the hord split. Those on her side and those against her. Basically the hord and the Alliance just got rid of Sylvanas and the Hord got their Home back.

[@sam-psonsmith9951]

The war crimes is what Saurfang was talking about when he said she tried to "kill hope"

[@syzygy21055]

It would help a ton if you knew something about the story and characters before reacting to these. At least play the game enough to recognize Orgrimmar when you see it.

[@MightyMac87]

Are you actually serious? That's like seeing a clip of the new upcoming film and being like "oh well you should have at least read the book". Get out of here with your elitist nonsense, I'm glad these Cinematics bring in new fans to the game as a whole.

[@edgarbriseno6210]

@@MightyMac87 this is not a trailer to an upcoming movie is the conclusion to a 2year expansion so if they would at least see the other cinematics it would have HELPED a lot that is what syzgy said, he didint said that they shouldnt watch it but that it would have helped a lot, they dont get the bittersweet of saurfangs death, the meaning of him fighting with thrall´s axe and Varyan/anduin sword and the banging of the banners on the ramparts. it would have helped a lot.

[@thinhvo3893]

all CG. That is the beauty of it. Blizzard some how make this extremely realistic without motion cap.

[@Lucifer_Ragnaros]

Shalamayne The Bad Luck Sword

[@tordenstorm]

Thats Ogrimmar :).

[@irelevant_forever]

I like your reaction. Most of them. I was waiting for this so long :). Thank you.

[@ReneHL1981]

How can you wait for this ,both of them are clueless what are they Watching , Thumb down

[@hordebronyfurness1832]

FOR THE DARK LADY

[@carloswfyb1828]

3:09 LMAO jump scare?

[@popica7879]

After 15 years he earned his death...

[@ahmedasiri2984]

Ofc u will not understand something u never know about it 🤓

[@Anx34500]

WHY dont they do movie like this??

[@ViBassman23]

Of course you dont understand the end, you need to play and everything to know there are 2 horde faccion, at the end. One of Sylvannas and one of Varok. "The horde is nothing", She screw it

[@スノーハッピー]

Saurfang won the fight knowing he would lose the physical fight and die.

[@naveenchowdary7579]

For the Dark Lady !!

[@botchie]

oh god, play the damn game lmao

[@4toetroll]

LOL That's orgrimmar not enemy territory it's a major Horde city

[@DanM4ster]

Why react to the cinematics if you don't understand the lore? You should, watch the in-game cinematics as well.

[@EldenJim2210]

I was thinking the same :p

[@pedroalgo3990]

Because they can, I have watched all WOW cinematics even tho I never downloaded the game and I understand them lol

[@powthehamster]

Please. You have reacted to the first two seasons, but now the third one. If you are reading this, please watch it. It would mean a lot to me since I have been waiting since it came it :). ❤️💞

[@Swarmah]

He was right, its all CG. Blizzard few years ago even said in an interview, that making 1 cinematic takes them about a year, that is making 1 6 minute cinematic. They dont motion capture anything They were doing makgora, there a warrior fights a warrior without use of magic, only a shaman can enchant a weapon. When you said, its not fair fighting yes, she at that moment actually lost the makgora.

[@dragondrone7980]

hey ms.vickers its me nicks.m i highly recommend you react to the deadpool musical its really funny

[@vladimirtsyganov2394]

Go league of legends shadow and light

[@dkt9986]

I waited so long for this - what a shame. Also, that edit, bro, fix it.

[@craigwilson2645]

haha that using magic is cheating well she makes it take a knee with daggers if shes better at using magic then weapons the manthing choose a losing fight/death but also can't the human guy revive people did in another trailer anyways not the story i get that....

[@dominikvolgyi310]

because sylvanas cheating in duel .. maghora is holy duel .. now she is not anymore Queen of Horde . she is now something like Trash !!!

[@dragondrone7980]

no he made there queen bleed so she gave them there kingdom back out of hope and mercey