Mission Impossible: Is Amorim Doomed To Failure?! | Paddock Podcast

[@FullTimeDevils]

If Amorim sticks with this system, where do we finish?

[@paulmaders5434]

Amorim is stitching himself up, probably the same levels as Gerrard & Lampard as a manager

[@bikesnippets]

Possibly relegated, because even the really rubbish teams (of whom we are one) cut through us with ease.

[@joshuaoshiafi7951]

not about the system

[@terence.pereira]

10th or worse. I am all for Amorim to stay in the long term, but this attitude will get him sacked December into his second season. He needs an overhaul. This current regime (Glazernomics 2.0) is not going to help him. He needs to adapt for the short term with patch fixes that don't stray too far from his gameplan, but the overhaul he is trying is doomed for failure and the players WILL NOT (proven) work for him.

[@danika181263]

It's not about his system, it the lack of effort and they can't f**king run!! Amorim has said himself, he has to start with the basics 🤷‍♀️these player's can even pass the ball .. .. well they can pass the ball, just not to their own teammates!

[@ZMO2015]

Ronaldo basically saying “He’s got his UEFA B, he should know what to do” winds me up. We’ve been playing like this for almost 10 years, can we just suck up the poor results and give this manager some time to do what he needs to do. Who cares if we suffer for another few months, we’re used to it and it’ll pay off in the long run 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@Ligerpride]

His point is that it's not up to the fans to give specifics on how to improve performances. It's a fair point.

[@livewia]

​@Ligerpride fair enough but kind of pointless when the fans are trying to have a discussion about it don't you think?

[@fathi573]

We have not been playing this bad for 10 years. Fighting for top four and struggling to stay out of a relegation fight are not the same. I know United fans have unrealistic expectations for the team, but saying the team should be in the top half of the league is the bare minimum.

[@GramdalfFGC]

For the people saying Amorim should change his system? Are you mad? Do you just want us to keep doing this year in year out? Constantly playing bad an any attempt to force a new system is met with “just go back” because we can’t handle being shot for a bit? You’re literally extending your own pain to win games now. We aren’t going down, so fuck it, otherwise no squad will ever learn a new system and you’ll see a team play in the CL and say “why can’t we do that” without realising if we fucking tried you’d be asking him to change his system less than 4 months in.

[@terence.pereira]

Not mad. He shouldn't change his system, but if he eventually figures out that these players cannot (or do not) adapt to his current system (he has said this many times), forcing it onto them is also not the best way forward. It will simply put him in a position of weakness. Ultimately he is responsible for results, NOT players (at least the way the ownership will see it)

[@Johndoe-gf7eu]

I think people are thinking we should just play 4231 to stay up, get rid of these player in the summer, then buy new ones and in pre season start playing the new system

[@InTimeYouWillFind]

Not change system but don’t ya think we shoulda kept two strikers on the field last game?

[@InTimeYouWillFind]

We need three midfielders to replace Mount Cass n Ericsson. Then we need three defenders to replace Harry M Luke Shaw and one other Antony is out and needs replacing in forward line and Rashford being told to leave so needs replacing- that is 7 players. Can the brilliant INEOS sort it out? Sportswashing? Greenwashing?

[@mazdakmorati2297]

Amorim is the problem because system is not gonna work in this league. Look at Bournemouth and Forrest. They are doing it with a bunch of nobodies !!!!

[@davidellinsworth3299]

I cant work out if Joe has taken up cookery or beekeeping

[@terence.pereira]

Looks more like a stright-jacket. 😝

[@BigGamePlayer-hi9lu]

or fencing 🤺

[@wjl2182]

The Turin Shroud.

[@limericklad2000]

Either preferable to watching us right now. Seriously thinking of taking up a new hobby.

[@johndirom8999]

If Amorim goes to a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, he might as well tender his resignation.

[@abayomikadara2013]

Or 451

[@pjo1974]

What if it works though? He can transition to his preferred system when we have more suitable players. We need results pretty quick

[@roryhungrrr]

what if he starts winning games though?....

[@SirRyan31]

442 ??

[@MarkyinUK]

Why just one system??? A team should have different systems tactics for different opponents

[@danika181263]

Joe is always the voice of reason 👏👏

[@Ligerpride]

Joe is frequently the most kneejerk and tabloid level emotionally led of the lot.

[@danika181263]

@Ligerpride No, I have to disagree with that .. ..

[@dealwithitsloth]

Ronny acts like he’s holding court, when in reality, two adults are entertaining a toddler.

[@dealwithitsloth]

“_nah man, like, it’s not good enough_” 😂😂

[@jamesbrown9828]

Ronny is admitting he's just a pundit and not getting paid 10mil a year and doesn't have all the answers

[@dealwithitsloth]

Clearly 😂

[@patrickm7981]

Its remarkable to me how quickly people lose faith in every aspect of the Football Club when the short term results are poor. Everybody said it is a long term plan the monent ineos walked in the door, and the same was said when Anorim arrived. Now with both of them in their relative infancy in their respected roles , are having their heads been called for . A birds eye view of the situation is a great perspective to take on this one .

[@jilnokuri371]

Equally its also deluded to have had the optimism most of you have had regarding ineos with 0 to back it up. Just play it cool for once and see what happens for gods sake

[@patrickm7981]

@jilnokuri371 there's zero to back it up because they're barely here a year. Club ownership should take 4/5 years to get a true gauge of ownership and how they are running things at every Football Club the world over, not the delirium you see online about every single minute decision that's made within the first year.

[@jilnokuri371]

@@patrickm7981 once again ive just agreed its hyperbole to suggest ineos is a failure already after half a season, just as it is to have seen the equally prevalent deluded optimism at the start of the season. Talking about how the signings, and the way the club has been acting 'so differently and positively' compared to the glazers. The fair method would be to see how it pans out instead of exaggerating it either way. Idiots on both sides

[@zebadee2476]

@@patrickm7981 Are you serious?? We’ve been bought as a vanity project and think cutting tiny amounts to charity, our ambassadors, Christmas dinners cancelled, ticket price hike, And no money to do anything. He does more cycling podcasts and interviews than he ever makes an effort with us

[@limericklad2000]

It’s the internet. Everyone wants it “NOW”.

[@0oKaymano0]

Joe had some really refreshing valid points today

[@J92-DS]

It’s simple lads, a lot of these players know they’re not going to be here next season and they’ve downed tools. One bad apple can ruin a good bunch, imagine 7 or 8 bad apples. At that point the pink ladies aren’t looking too good

[@gatobrit]

Draft kids from the Academy - it will take years to cycle out the current dead wood. We know the Academy kids will give their all

[@Liam-k8s8k]

We’ve all seen it in any work, one or 2 get the hump and it spreads like wildfire

[@jayc1140]

Why’s Ronaldo so prickly towards Joe? His question to him was valid. Ronaldo not offering any opinion just saying the manager needs to ‘change’ from a bloke who spouts off like he knows it all on twitter

[@RBravo82]

It’s bollocks to suggest they’ve been run into the ground. We’ve played 22 league games and a handful of cup matches. Why can’t an 18 and 22 year old handle this work load but the 30 year captain is capable of plying every minute of every game since he joined us?

[@iancoughlan5]

It's a nicer option than admitting that Mainoo has been shit.

[@Emperor-tq5ku]

Surely Ten Hag is the one that got stitched up. His first year he had to deal with a poor Ronaldo, second year most players were injured, third year sacked just as you get the players you want

[@Sklikucs]

What stupid comments! Ronaldo saying that because we are united we shouldn't be losing these games? Amorin said at the start, he can either change his system now and get us a few more points or he can carry on with his system and see the fruits of it next year? You have to trust he as a title winner knows more than us! And stop the negativity, if Fergie had fans like that he'd have been sacked.

[@davidgriffith1552]

I think fans are panicking, the club is panicking, and the ONLINE fans are absolutely losing the plot. Plus, we have trolls in here and online elsewhere in droves… this is great times for that lot. Ronaldo is NOT saying we should win just because we’re United. He’s also not saying Amorim should change systems. They literally, all three of them, say that Amorim needs to stick to his guns, but that INEOS needs to back him. Let’s not get so panicky ourselves we can’t hear what the Paddock lads are saying. They back the manager, they back the system, the want the ownership to back the manager and system. What they do NOT back at the moment is the players on wages and that can’t be arsed to put in a shift. They aren’t slagging them off, “sell the lot of them!” They are saying to bring reinforcements in, get rid of those that need getting gone (Rashford, Casemiro, Antony if possible, etc.). Bring SOMEONE in this window: we need a striker (even on loan); we desperately need wingbacks.

[@n.h187]

Greenwood's antics cost us £200m

[@JohnRichards-w3t]

I take it the pitchfork mob had nothing to do with it?

[@Mannyman348]

This season has always been a write off but you can’t blame Ineos for thinking a squad built on massive money should be safe from relegation until the rest of the season, even with a system change. None of us would have thought it would be this bad with a new manager?

[@steverito]

You absolutely can and should blame INEOS. They forced Amorim’s hand and made him come with the now or never offer. This season should have been a write off as you say, but it should have been under a lame duck coach like ten Hag. The players and player power have been the issue since the Woodward regime started offering new contracts after one good performance. Every overpaid underachieving player needs to be sold and the microscope will be on recruitment over the next few windows.

[@Ligerpride]

​@steverito but that is what they are doing.

[@stephenorr2516]

Players not being in the right position was an issue under ten hag. In Laurie Whitwells piece after he got sacked he said there were numerous times ten hag would be screaming at his back line to push up to close spaces and they just ignored him.

[@pleopod]

Huge clubs like United have the momentum of an oil tanker. When they are going in the right direction this is great. It instills belief and makes recruiting and integrating new players much easier. It also insulates you against the occasional mistake. However, when you are going in wrong direction that momentum works against you. To start with it covers up the now numerous mistakes and then when you finally realise you are heading for the rocks it’s very hard to stop or change direction. The next few years are going to be tough.

[@MM-nn8mj]

Love it when Ronaldo talks about players like he's one of them as he was a modern day YTS at Liverpool, then got a 'move' to Oldham to clean someone's boots - fuck me, he's 23 or whatever he is and is playing just above pub league. He has pertinent points, and has improved in his confidence in speaking clearly, BUT, he doers try to play the 'I was a player' and thus 'I know what it's like' one too hard ;)

[@PokerFitnessandEverythingElse]

Do Ronaldo and Joe dislike each other, Ronny always seems sharp with him? 😂

[@JV431]

Ronny just comes out with wishy washy statements

[@livewia]

So defensive

[@Johndoe-gf7eu]

Its cos joe is white. Alot of black people are like that since 2020 (george floyd). He basically accused joe of racism on the arsenal stream because joe said leny yoro toe poked his penalty… (yes i know, bizarre)

[@Johndoe-gf7eu]

Its cos joe is white. He tried accusing joe jokingly but not at the same time of racism during the arsenal stream cos joe said yoro toe poked his penalty. Weirdly enough he doesn’t say anything to howson… so probably cos joe is the suburban type

[@vilhelmtanner6544]

@@Johndoe-gf7eugive it a rest

[@andychatt23]

With hindsight would it have been better if Amorin had been allowed to join us at the end of the season like he wanted? Ruud would have been playing 4 at the back like they are used to and may be winning more games and have us higher up the league than we are at the moment, Ruebon would have then had a full pre season with them as well as having a chance to bring some new signings in who he thinks could do the job. On the minus side he wouldn't already know who the dead legs are like he is finding out at the moment so it would have taken even longer to get rid of them... ?

[@dco1019]

and the painful thing is that ruud had the show on the road and was 4 or 5 points off top 4 when he handed the wheel to amorim. and then they paid 10 million extra for amorim to join right away.. they basically paid extra to screw the season up. anyone capable shouldve seen that Ruuds interim was going as good as you could expect reasonably and amorim, with his system requirements, and being new to the club was unlikely to match it.

[@joetownsend8305]

That’s why amroim said he wanted to join in the summer. Yet the owners have set him up to fail if we don’t sign any new players

[@Ligerpride]

Rvn had barely any league matches and had as easy as run of matches as could be found.

[@MarkyinUK]

Yep I wasn’t sure why we were in such a rush to appoint, especially when Ruud few games had been successful.

[@mimikatz]

Lol we had played 4321 for 2 years prior with EtH, why would Ruud have been any different? If we were losing the same games with him now, everyone would be crying at INEOS for not getting Amorin in during January.

[@paulogden27]

We literally have no service from the left-hand side. We have wingbacks that can't cross or get to the byline and square it back. Similarly we are completely exposed defensively down that side.

[@SkullSnax]

Feel like I'm going insane watching this. I have been 100% behind every manager we've hired, and backed them till the day they got sacked, every one of them. But I knew the moment we hired Amorim we'd made a mistake. Not because he's a bad manager, but because he's the wrong manager, with the wrong system for our squad. And here we are... AGAIN... FOR THE SIXTH TIME... saying the same old shit. "He needs time", "He needs players that fit his system", "in 2-3 years he'll have been able to build the right squad and train them on his system" How did that work out the last 5 times lads? Are we still waiting on the process? How about... hiring a manager... that ACTUALLY FITS the squad???? Incremental changes and improvements instead of tearing it up and throwing away BILLIONS of investment in players and literally years of development and training. POINTLESS. How are we talking about selling our best youth players to fund signings for a manager who is so clearly the wrong fit? Garnacho, Mainoo, Rashford, do yourselves a favour and run away, go find clubs that will actually appreciate you. I'll follow my golden boys and fuck this team off if that's the way we're going. How are we here again? How are INEOS this naive?

[@BringBackOle]

You need a mixture of foundation of plays that have Experience in the PL or a top level league that can play in this system or players that have played for him in the past that can play in a number of positions. Basically like a left full back that can play wing back , a winger that can play as 10 , a 8 that can play 6 , a left footed right winger that can play wing , a striker

[@Patrick-li7yl]

Back this manager please by bringing in a Lwb and one of Mbuemo/cunha. Thanks 👍

[@FullTimeDevils]

Those attackers would be belting.

[@aaron3626]

@@FullTimeDevilsdefinitely Jay that does the comments with the word ‘belting’ 😂

[@theburmanator1938]

This season unfortunately will be another to write off. We need to start prepping for next season. See what Chido’s got. See what Kone can do if a midfielder leaves (Eriksen, Case). What Kukonki can do if a CB was to leave etc so we can offload players with higher wages and restructure our team.

[@Hhammer]

Definitely need to bring someone in the January transfer window. As Jay mentioned, it could just be to revitalise the team a little bit… The same way they got revitalised when Bruno joined in in January.

[@sacred1827]

Squad building is about balance. Something United have not understood for 10 years. I'm confident that some of the correct signings will see others improve.

[@yusufbah98]

just watch the goals we’ve conceded this season individual errors or set pieces (with either manager in charge) , it’s clear a lot of the players aren’t good enough and we’ve paid way over the odds for the majority of them , the managers walked into a team who are used to losing and performing poorly and don’t suit/haven’t played his system it’s on ineos to sort out the mess. try and get some money for these overpaid underperforming players and try and recruit properly around a completely different system within psr . years of mismanagement and overspending . Club is rotten .

[@jayc1140]

Surely trying to buy players for potentially after Amorims system if he ever goes is near impossible. Not many coaches play his system with wing backs and two 10’s

[@skibbideeskibidanger]

I understand the worry at how things are going. I feel it myself. I wonder though, if in a season or 2 we're going to be looking back on now so differently? There's been a lot of upheaval at the club going back to Greenwood and Ronaldo, then the takeover polava, the uncertainty around Ten Hag, his eventual sacking and now Amorim's totally different system and style of play. When giants make big strides it tends to cause chaos. Hopefully when things settle down, the chaos of this past few years seems a distant memory and given a couple of windows, hopefully we see this new board show their worth and enough players come in and leave that we start to see big improvements on the pitch. Need to remember as well, most of our best players are kids and most of our experienced players are the fundamental problem at the club. Its an awful position to be in Its going to take time to get rid of them and like Amorim said, we're going to suffer. Could be a relegation battle this season, mid table next season then a mighty leap to challenging in 2028, who knows. One of a thousand possibilities

[@EyeIn_The_Sky]

On the Mctominay 5 Goals and 2 assists for Napoli comment "Yeah but different league and speed" but forgets he scored and assisted more at United in the PL ROFLOL.

[@dealwithitsloth]

“Not good enough” - Does Ronny realise that saying this, isn’t an insight, or even very interesting? Like, no shit Sherlock, we’re talking about how we *become* good enough. Pure Reddit-tier punditry.

[@dealwithitsloth]

Less IQ than United have points.

[@gamerbeans7445]

Have you got a problem with Ronny? You always say a negative comment about him. I bet you were one of them who have been on rashy's case since 2020 and he embarrassed Boris and the tories!! You're a racist is what I'm saying!! 🤡

[@shobhit260]

Roy keane said it, you cannot have any passengers in your team and United is currently filled with a lot of passengers like Onana, Dalot, Casemiro, Antony, Rashford, Zirkzee, Mount; we recruit bad, no manager can win unless we go back to low block transition football

[@mimikatz]

How could Amorin be stitched up when he knew what we were like before? Nothing really has changed since EtH, besides Ashworth, and he did not seem to be that fundamental to our process/his decision.

[@3chords490]

Being a United player in the Premier League is like nothing else. Every “ small “ team you play at Old Trafford treats it like it’s a cup final. Every away match means a “ small “ team is desperate to humiliate you in front of their own fans. Every game is virtually a cup final for the opposition , so that’s how it has to be for United. Some players relish that challenge , some dread it. Recruitment at United has to build this into their assessment of any player.

[@Johndoe-gf7eu]

Yh ive always said this. Its a totally unique experience being a united player. No matter how bad, we are still the biggest scalp in the league. Just look at Brighton players celebrating in the tunnel and baleba doing the griddy. Pure cringe and small time but like you said every small team treats it like a literal cup final

[@ACEPodcastNation]

If United sack Amorim even if you get relegated or just avoid relegation then United genuinley are in for a long term battle in bottom half. Not his team, not his players and hes shown he can compete at the top, the majority of these players HAVE not got that credit in bank esepcially in united shirt. Amorim feels like the right guy at the wrong time. As a neutral i genuinely hope he gets time as i like him and i think if he stays at united for 3-5 years he will build something special. But he needs to finish getting the dead wood out that ETH started and get his own players in. I do wonder how long til we see likes of Amass, Obi-Martin, Fletcher etc cos they are all technically good and as seen with Colllyer at least they fucking run around and give 110% I will say that the EPL compared to years gone by is closer in terms of quality from top to bottom than it may have ever been, this means we are seeing teams like Forest, Bournmeouth etc getting huge results consistently. Add in Forests case they played the game of FFP/PSR. Signed a shitload of quality, paid the fine and stayed up with a point deduction and now still have majority of all them players they signed.

[@Ligerpride]

United have spent loads of money and gone backwards. Why assume it would get any better? United might be better off just waiting for these signings to prosper as they mature. Yoro, Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund. These are all young players. They should improve to some extent anyway. Garnacho is likely to leave, though, I suppose.

[@ACEPodcastNation]

@Ligerpride I do agree to certain extent mate though I'd argue the 1st window under INEOS was better. De Ligt, Yoro, Zirkzee I think all capable of contributing short and long term under Amorim but of course United fans have had fingers burnt historically by the way they have spent money. I think I'm in the minority and feel that Hoijland will come good. I just believe they almost need to get him to stop trying to drop in as much and link up play or compete in aerial duels with central defenders, he's shown that his finishing his very good generally and he's quick, his strengths at least to me seem to be more running in behind or the down the channels. Again maybe I'm in the minority but I don't think United are like 8 or 9 signings away from getting it right, I think you need 1 genuine quality wingback, 1 no.10 that suits his system and probably a keeper(in the long term) and a no.9 whose ready now which allows you to utilise Hoijland more as a young player. Hoijland, Yoro, Mainoo, Garnacho(if he stays) can be dripped in and out with less pressure then. In Mainoos instance I feel he just looks knackered, like he's been overplayed. Do you think Amorim will or should utilise the young lads between now and end of season to see how they cope and if they are ready or no? Specfically Kakonkie(sp?), Fletcher, Amass, Obi-Martin etc

[@davidburns6681]

Stick with it Ruben I have no doubt it will come right in the end

[@Brooksey01]

We were bad for 80 minutes against Southampton

[@grahamshaw3802]

We were bad for 85 v City and 90 v Arsenal... Heart v Liverpool but really we are on a terrible run..

[@PoundlandPele_1]

Amorim could be the United answer/equivalent to Sterling & Paddy Maine, but the powers that be have to support his ways. If not we will be back to player power.

[@sumitkawatra9567]

Having 2 games per week, has been the biggest problems since Amorim arrived. He has hardly gotten training sessions to infuse his tactics to the team. I feel he should just give up on playing the first team (or players he thinks they are going to be involved in the future) for Europa/FA cup. Play the players second in line (which might help find new players in the club). This will allow him more trainings with his first team and help him give more answers for the next transfer window.

[@jackdavies1079]

Stick with the system and suffer this season but learn along the way, the only way

[@lowrytv6736]

This has to be the final chance for us to finally change the culture of the club, as bad as it is going to be it needs to be done and sticking with the manager and building what he wants is what is required.

[@domhuckle]

Every time we lose we get this carousel of naval gazing. Gonna get pretty tiring come the end of the season

[@kaspermb9250]

No goal threat equals losing matches we should be able to concede two goals and still win football matches.

[@jilnokuri371]

Tuchel had chelsea playing champagne football in a 343 within weeks. You were all happy with the signings the squad and the direction in summer, if youre going to pretend amorim is working with utter shit now youve got to acknowledge you had deluded optimism to start with

[@anwla]

Bring in another Dane in the likes of Andreas Christensen in Barcelona, I think his contract expires within not too long. He would be perfect as the central defender in Amarim’s system who can move into the midfield and he’s tall, but could maybe be a little injury prone. Just got through about 9 months injury

[@uptownrocker]

United had a chance to hire him in the summer and they declined because they didn't have the squad to fit his system. To hire him mid-season with the same squad and not bring anyone in in January is ridiculous.

[@limericklad2000]

Or it’s the ability to recognise you made a mistake and the willingness to rectify it?

[@sadsack8319]

Another wonderful discussion.

[@PeteMarshall-tp3ih]

We need wingback on each side and a striker in this window

[@JamesB-l8n]

I thought we had PSR issues, spending could get us a point deduction and get us relegated 😂. We are bad but we are not getting relegated, the bottom 3 are worse than us even tho Southampton dominated us

[@Ligerpride]

Yes. Imagine the meltdown on the various channels if United get relegated based on making transfers and getting a points deduction.

[@buttergolem4458]

Given our financial situation, we have to play the kids and fucking pray

[@Ligerpride]

Yes

[@n.h187]

The previous summer's transfers weren't ten hag signings, proof in point Ugarte. They were part of the new strategy of making club signings.

[@kenlubega5463]

Why aren't fans happy? They asked for ..."style of play".. Now they have it. Got rid of a manager who developed young players and won 2 trophies 🏆 in 3 years 😂.

[@4Bester]

I think one or two physical monsters at WB and a CM who can match what Ugarte does physically could be transformative. Unfortunately there is no money!

[@mamalange2277]

The big question is what is better, a club that has a style of play or a club that plays the managers style?

[@PoundlandPele_1]

Could Amorim simply be the “Gineoz” fall guy.

[@mickholohan4266]

Yes, yes he has been stitched up...... HOLD ME JAY!!

[@FabiWann]

My only expectation this season is to avoid relegation. Amorim needs at least 4 good transfer windows before we start judging him.

[@nealy2815]

Amorim plays a defensive style of play and they are still concedeing goals. It's not a setup that will create chances IMO.

[@KryptonGaming87]

honestly i love this channel but any video with ronny is a chore to watch. especially this one. thank god for joe & jay

[@davidRostron-h7q]

What have we got to lose .. Bring in the Youth !!

[@hass2096]

the system is just a new excuse we was doing crap with 4 at the back, so why are we constantly talking about the system??, teams are drilled well and get managers who fit their plying style. we are the only clubs that keep changing styles with the managers. ten hag came from ajaz plying a high press possession based football and he went to counter attack at united? he said himself, This team doesn't have plyers to play possesion, proof is that we can't make 2 yard passes, and we can't control the games erik tried to build a team and for whtever reason ither signed the wrong playrs I.e not enough scouting was done or plyers just can't handle the pressure. it's the same with amorim these players only perform wen they are expected to lose. asoon as expectation is to win we lose and make mistakes. however stick by amorim we slowly need to find the correct profile of players. young fast and who will shed blood n swet for this club and system. far too long have we bought older plyers and it's are own fault for offering silly contracts. btw how has kravatschelia gone for 59mill to psg and we bought anthony for 80mill? and mount for 60mill proof we have been run wrong all over. these plyrs have got plenty of managers sacked so it's not the system or the manager for now.

[@stevenanthony2482]

Amorim given the keys to a Bugatti Veyron, only to find to find it has the engine of a Peugeot 101 😞

[@Johndoe-gf7eu]

Ethan would kill for his club to have won a europa league, 2 fa cups and 2 league cups in the past 8 years, so it being tough being a united fan is subjective really

[@steverito]

It’s shocking to hear how few times they’ve had full training sessions. I can’t think of another profession that seems to practice less.

[@MM-nn8mj]

We're not worse than Celtic! They're shit and just play in a pub league (although cue us to struggle vs Rangers this week!!!). We're also better than AC Milan and Ajax.

[@SpotlessLeopard]

The worst part is all the predictable comments from people you just know are waiting for their mother to shout them for their tea, but they can't get out of the room because they're snowed in by socks so hard you could throw them through glass.

[@planetdrops]

Its still a v.good opportunity for him even in this mess. The guy was happy with West Ham in the summer.

[@Postthc]

Amorim inherited a mid table team mid-season. Any manager deserves at least a season with a summer transfer window/full pre-season to be under scrutiny imo.

[@chrispower6956]

Club are pathetic. On one hand we’re all fed up with Marcus as he exhibits all the characteristics of a player who’s been mentally and physically over burdened with responsibility. Meanwhile we’re doing the exact same shit to Mainoo and scratching our heads as to what’s going wrong with him.

[@christophercorcoran1557]

I thought we got rid of De Gea it was that he was rubbish at playing with his feet, but onana isn't doing to good with his passing with his feet exactly long balls.

[@jarzhinio]

2 very important points raised here: 1, The low confidence and bad feeling around United & Old Trafford. 2, The way United see value in players because of the strategy which the board comes up with. Both of these 2 things have been exacerbated under Ratcliffe and INEOS. They think they're being smart when they're actually making it worse by buying what they think is a "valuable asset" that will appreciate or has a lot of potential, but they don't know where or how that player gets into the manager's team. It's a confused mess at the moment and it's easier to play against the better teams because the team has to hang on to what they've got against anyone in this league. You probably have to go down as far as league 1 to find teams we can just turn up and win against. Recruitment that's the thing that needs to be better. Ratcliffe has just thrown his toys out of his pram after wasting loads of time and money on Ashworth. I think that shows how Ratcliffe is never going to be a success in football, regardless of FFP or PSR or whatever football isn't business and Ratcliffe may understand it slightly better than Avram and Joel, but not by much. GLINEOS OUT

[@thepiratepeteshow2684]

Bring in a new manager mid season with no time to teach his football style. Ragnick kept losing when he took control. The culture and players who can only play one style are rhe issue. It will take a few seasons to fix

[@Ligerpride]

Ragnick was utterly dreadful.

[@markwilliams4274]

I feel sorry for Amorin he has not been able to train with his squad for the entire 2 months he has been in charge for to get his message across and implement is famed football system 😂😆😉

[@reddevilinthedetails]

Lol Ofcourse Jay, you wouldnt bring Rashford into the conversation when you can conveniently yalk about Antony and Casemiro.

[@InTimeYouWillFind]

I fear we make signings but get rid of creative goal getting players and stick with injury prone and old slower types.

[@FarooqSlimani]

Midfield is shit. I think everybody thaught Casemiro was going to be a beast if you look at his experience. Eriksen is also done. Mainoo nothing special.Ugarte can only defend.We have no creative midfielders apart from Bruno. Dalot and Mazraoui arent wingbacks. Very difficult if you can play only one system.

[@jgm292]

If I was Amorim I would have called Ineos’s bluff and stayed at Sporting til end of the season. He was building a really successful season there with good chance of more trophies. If Ineos really wanted him they could have got him in the summer. Instead he’s come into this unwinnable situation and will probably come out of it with his reputation damaged

[@aneeshmenon3379]

Amorim has failed.. hasnt improved our balance, we create next to 0 chances. Historical, 7 out of 10 managers improve results with whatever system. Glassnar last year took them up levels, chelsea have won champions league with 2 managers brought in mid season. Amorim has failed!!! In terms of changes, I'd change personnel. Try amass at lwb, play either a deeper or a higher line go to 2 defensive pivots. Ugarte & collyer to add more energy, I'd use chido for 10 mins at the end.. just use the fact that he's unknown to create more chaos.

[@mickkeogh3258]

So some people think playing his system is right and still playing his system with 2 in the middle of the park and one upfront is the answers . I will tell you know he can buy who every he likes 250million worth of players , but as long as he plays 2 in the middle and one up front its not going work. Fact . Wake up and smell the coffee

[@3chords490]

We are a premier league club with a Sunday league recruitment team.

[@piranhobbs9527]

Agree with Ronnie about just signing system player. we need athletes as all systems need stamina and strength

[@aneeshmenon3379]

Our balance is poor. When we defend we create no chances.. then when we try to create chances we are too dam open!

[@RedTrotsky]

Doomed to fail????? The same could be said for any manager under the Glazers!!!!!!!!!!!! We used to buy the cream of English football. Now we shop in Primark. The Glazers debt has bled us dry!!!!!!!!!!

[@matthewtrainer6785]

I don’t even know anymore but we got players who are crap who can’t adopt to new system this is gonna be a long long rebuild which we got to get right if not back to the drawing board

[@tompoynton]

I don’t think United will go down, but titles have been won from behind by bigger margins, so relegation isn’t completely out of the picture and if they continue to play like this it’s by no means out of the question

[@Ligerpride]

The problem United have (it's a big problem) is that if they are struggling to get a result against the worst teams in the league at home, with a near record low points tally, then there are no matches where a win is likely. If we were to start a full season again tomorrow, I'd fancy United to be really in a fight to stay up. They should pick up enough points to remain safe but if they don't beat Ipswich then there could be problems. We'd have played 2 of the 3 weakest teams home and away already at that stage.

[@jamesbrown9828]

He took the job

[@tube5paul]

We are where we belong. Take away the inflated transfer fees and wages, these players are not that good. Bruno is the exception. Amad and Mainoo have potential, they would struggle to start in most top teams. The tide has turned in the premier league and we've fallen behind due to poor recruitment and scouting. Teams like Brighton are ahead of the curve and thats embarrassing. This is a league that requires players that can run and are press resistant. We dont have that. Amorim isn't a problem. He is tactically on point and if he throws that away because we have a squad full of square pegs in round holes, he might as well just resign.

[@Tom-dj6vv]

Old habits die hard. United need to just forget about the result, take the hits, let it all fall down, and only start the rebuild once the dust has settled.

[@bargepoled]

He's trying to get a tune out of players that can't do what he wants. At what point do you accept they can't do it and try something else? Because doing the same thing with the same players and expecting something different is insanity. If it is the players then the answer is get new players right? No. We can't afford new players. You think Ineos are going to sign a whole new team in the summer? Not happening. We are skint. So if the current players aren't up to it and we can't buy new ones the only option is to use a system that these players can win games in. Amorim refuses to do that. He won't change. So we are stuck with the crap players we have and a manager with one way of playing. There is only one way that ends...... When Amorim came in we were 4 points off top 4. Now where are we? In a relegation fight. There is only one way that ends.. If he wants to be the manager next season then great but that could be in the championship given our current league form. He has no plan B and INEOS' track records with all their sporting assets is atrocious. Top top managers are flexible and pragmatic to get the best out of the players they have. I like Amorim. His honesty is refreshing but you don't win games being a honest manager. You win games by using a system that gets the best out of the players you have. Now he has thrown the whole team under the bus by publicly saying they are worst united team in history.. That's the words of a man running out of time. Its a shame for him. But he's been handed an awful hand. Should have left RVN in charge until the summer then appointed Amorim with time to drill his system. But then INEOS aren't the brightest people as their track record at United and all their other sports assets shows.

[@thatsplenty1]

Absolute waffle

[@bargepoled]

@thatsplenty1 try to be more eloquent. You'll find it has its advantages.

[@ATWOOD726]

I disagree. We won’t get relegated even if he doesn’t change the system. Luckily there are three teams worse than us in the league. And I think we will sign players in the summer- not enough to make us title challengers, but hopefully enough for top 6. Then we keep building. All United fans talk about needing to show patience. Now is the time to actually show it. We are shit. Take it. It will get better.

[@CharlieWaffelsTenis]

Around a year ago I asked the club directly if it intended to address the poor atmosphere inside the club and to be fair, they acknowledged it by saying I will be happy to see the new and exciting plans soon to be introduced which will enhance match day atmosphere! I’m still waiting 😂🤦🏻‍♂️😝. We’ve lost our club to the Americans, the tourists, even Davos. Sitting in the south stand all i hear is jibba jabba bunga bunga paloni. I’m almost relieved to hear a French 🇫🇷 accent. Relegation would be just a footnote. We’ve already lost our club.

[@Ligerpride]

Uniteds global appeal is what make them a big revenue generator.

[@yasheenmahabeer]

Amorim has to stick to his guns, his exposing the nonsense in it’s entirety for what it is, too late to change system now. If INEOS isn’t going to back him with atleast 3 signings before the end of January then they should just sack him now for real

[@justinmaguire4180]

Yay! Joe and Ronaldo trying to one up each other.

[@AndisiweKayoni]

Bring Wheatley and Chido Obi into the first team

[@wg05954]

Doubt 🤔 this group of players should simply play with more pride

[@MarkyinUK]

Ronaldo wasn’t causing the upheaval the trouble was there already and he was expressing from inside what we are seeing and have all been saying for years since fergie left.

[@alistairwalker7947]

such entitlement is horrendous to parade in public ....dont expect united to ever battle relegation

[@grahamdoonan869]

its all on the glazers and sir jim we need them out

[@ЕдвардГригорян-н6к]

What a tension between ronaldo and joe. Are they don't like each other or what is the problem?