Mission to Mars Vs Red Planet

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[@TheDaveCullenShow]

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[@M-S_4321]

Saw both. Pretty accurate judgements on both. They were trying to make money and the egos involved showed they didn't have the talent to achieve that.

[@RevanR]

I hope this isn't hide because of link but I just found your video kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoesqKWJndmei5Yfeature=shared

[@Jogeta5]

Wow, how did you not get more production for Mars?

[@86BarbOmega]

Dave, we all know the best movie about Mars is TOTAL RECALL ! 😛

[@brett9675]

Wait, can we SEE your Mars movie here on KZbin???

[@sjTHEfirst]

When Tim Robbins showed up in War of the Worlds I said to the people with me "Oh thank God, someone who has actually been to Mars". 🤪

[@spookrockcity]

He died in orbit though

[@stevejordan7275]

@@spookrockcity True...though I think it a safe assumption that he eventually fell from orbit...to Mars. So...a Mars zombie. Ghosts of Mars, anyone? Or maybe Last Days on Mars?

[@fearthehoneybadger]

With the number of equipment failures in Mission to Mars, I would have words with those engineers if I made it home.

[@rapscallionsith8152]

They probably were from Boeing.

[@Fred-rv2tu]

@@rapscallionsith8152 beat me to it.

[@Vaultboy101]

They were hoping you wouldn't make it.

[@vee-bee-a]

​@@Vaultboy101 Man, that is some James Bond villain level of evil. 💀

[@docsavage8640]

@fearthehoneybadger2914 DEI hires. HR will defend them and fired you for an ism.

[@aaronanglea]

Lt Dan became an astronaut after all

[@och70]

He got new legs...space legs!!

[@xxthedeejxx]

Magic legs

[@igg3937]

@@xxthedeejxx Titanium alloy, same thing they use on the space shuttle.

[@hillaryclinton2415]

eating bubba gump space meals

[@Brad772006]

He was so excited he jumped up and ran to the rocket.

[@Grasslander]

That's fun to hear, you got a movie aired on TV! Congratulations!

[@mentorofarisia371]

loved your personal story at the end!

[@smallcd]

I've seen both. The Mission to Mars soundtrack by Ennio Morricone is something else. The movie itself is just ok.

[@shadow4002]

The soundtrack is beautiful. I still listen to it occasionally. Haunting and lovely.

[@treestandsafety3996]

A Heart Beats in Space, is pretty good!

[@semlohyeroc_N]

Yeah, I’ve gotta disagree with Dave on the score for Mission To Mars. I think Ennio Morricine did a spectacular job! Much of that score for me was so wondrous. “A Heart Beats In Space” and “A Martian” are both just musical elegance for the ears! Outstanding. There are also some pieces from the Red Planet score that I really enjoyed as well.

[@agena6594]

It was very CANADIAN. If it was made in the US they would have made Tom Cruise the commander and made sure to put as many explosions as possble.

[@councilofkarens729]

I always preferred Mission to Mars, but that may have been helped by the soundtrack.

[@momkatmax]

I heard at the theater for Mission to Mars during the scene where where the astronaut is taking his helmet off, a bored patron yelled, "I'm glad you are dead!" Everyone lost it.

[@darioprime]

that is where i lost it too

[@pettifoggingpharisee]

😂 🎵 "You rascal, you!" 🎵

[@lauragraves4342]

😆🪩🐙 At least he GOT helmet before he died. ❤

[@paulinvegas]

Thank you for that personal story at the end. That was really cool.

[@SSGLGamesVlogs]

"Get your a@@ to Mars."

[@613harbinger316]

[Crackle] "Get your a$$ to Mars."

[@chasehedges6775]

💯💯. Total Recall(1990) is a classic

[@Ilfrinco]

Two weeks.

[@chasehedges6775]

YOU THINK THIS IS THE REAL QUAID? It is

[@M0butu]

See you at de party, Cullen.

[@ironhead2008]

Red Planet, every time. It's a fun sci-fi film that doesn't take itself too seriously.

[@davidnierzwick2775]

Agree 100%

[@Seastallion]

Disagree. The robot was cool, but Mission to Mars was better. Wasn't great, but it was better.

[@sandman_says_runrunner4701]

@@Seastallion In what way?

[@formerlyknownashammerofthegods]

Red Planet had Carrie Anne Moss.

[@Jogeta5]

Mission to Mars is much better in my opinion. There are things in Red Planet that are cool and all, but the tone of the movie is all wrong. Dying Earth, F- Mars, nah.

[@radioflyer68911]

Aholes In Space. In other words Red Planet characters would fit in nicely in Nu Trek.

[@simonhandy962]

The Wrong Stoff.....

[@franohmsford7548]

Well Tom Sizemore and Ben Bratt's characters would have both been killed off in double quick time! Pettengill would be the most likely to work in Nu-Trek but guaranteed we find out within 20 seconds that he's not exactly interested in women....oh and he'd be a vegan tree hugging Romulan sleeper agent too most likely

[@1976smb]

Rest in peace, Bobbie; this world needs more kind, classy ladies. I truly think if Dave had known she had passed at the time, he would have sent flowers to her funeral.

[@LineaDeus]

*OMG!!! FINALLY!! After 25 years, I am not the only person who could never get over Gary Sinise's blatantly obvious Eyeliner like they used a Sharpie. Every Gary Sinise scene it took me out of the movie. Why did they do that??*

[@bentonrp]

Because it's not really Gary Sinise. It's a genetic cyborg with a BOMB in its RIBCAGE!!! -Where's it from? Where's it from?... 🤪

[@juangallegos1048]

Imposter

[@bentonrp]

@@juangallegos1048 Yes! You win the prize! 😀

[@alexr4208]

All I remember was a terrible scene where all the other astronauts consoled him on his 'dead wife'. I don't know what I remember that scene so much.

[@yourguitarist]

Excellent work Dave. I really enjoyed your take on these two films and Thank you for sharing the story of your own Mars project 🙂

[@carlrood4457]

I'm reminded of the scene in Apollo 13 where Bill Paxton and Kevin Bacon start arguing over whether Bacon screwed up. The situation was more than tense enough for that sort of thing, but in reality it didn't happen. Astronauts are the type who focus on the mission and don't let their emotions run away. Any trip to Mars will be orders of magnitude more dangerous with more time for things to go wrong than a moon mission. Any discord could mean death.

[@ProjectKhopesh]

Indeed. That's why I can never really get into these sorts of movies. The drama is ridiculous and the science is shameful. That said, there *was* apparently a sociopath American astronaut on board the ISS, so... standards have slipped a bit since the Apollo days.

[@joelellis7035]

The argument scene was created to emphasize the tension the astronauts were feeling. The actual communications depicted the Apollo 13 astronauts as consumate professionals, but in reality, they were battling sleep deprivation, cold, hunger, thirst, and the stress of being on a knife's edge over whether they'd make it back at all.

[@hi-q2261]

Dave, I've got Mission to Mars on my laptop. I admit it got a bit hippie dippy towards the end. But as far as space travel goes and everything, it was more realistic than the other one. Red Planet were a bunch of lunatics that would never be allowed into space. 🤪

[@pferreira1983]

Red Planet is just moronic. Give me Mission to Mars any day.

[@RunnerInc]

​@@pferreira1983same

[@banksuvladimir]

I agree, but I think an argument can be made for a cheesy movie that’s fun over a serious movie that falls flat.

[@ellugerdelacruz2555]

Same. I know Mission to Mars is dated, but it's a gem. Red Planet just sucks.

[@pferreira1983]

@@ellugerdelacruz2555 I always liked it although it needed more development.

[@kroninn]

There were a handful of twin movies in the 2000's. It would be cool to go through all of them.

[@butcherjsy8]

How about The Matrix and Dark City? (technically 1999)

[@gckari9862]

I saw Mission to Mars when I was really young and it struck a cord. It didn't have to make sense, it was melodramatic with a heavy science fiction theme at the end, ended on a lifting note, the music is wonderful, and I loved it. It remained a cult classic for me.

[@danjohnson887]

Tom Sizemore played Tom Sizemore.

[@xenomorphlover]

Fun fact: Kilmer and Tom Sizemore began feuding during production. According to reports, it all began when Kilmer got annoyed about a fancy exercise machine that Sizemore wanted shipped from England to the set in Australia. Eventually the two hated each other so much, Kilmer would not come out of his trailer if Sizemore was on the set. Many of their scenes together were filmed over the shoulders of photo doubles. Kilmer reportedly refused to say Sizemore's character's name, saying instead "Hey, you!" At one point, they got into a confrontation that escalated into them throwing weights at each other until Sizemore knocked out Kilmer with a punch to the chest. (At a crewmember's request, he avoided Kilmer's face). The two have never worked together again....

[@CB-ke7eq]

And I doubt they will...

[@banparlous2552]

They were good in Heat

[@jekw23]

They were very good in Heat. RIP Tom.

[@helpdeskjnp]

Mission to Mars for some reason is really good for me. A little slow to start but the emergency in space really freaked me out… Imagining that happening would be horrific knowing how screwed your would be. I haven’t see Red Planet and I don’t plan to see it… I would if it came on TV but not go see it on purpose. Mission To Mars on a HD TV made me feel like I was gonna fall into the atmosphere!

[@trainer1]

Your Mars story was very cool. People like Bobbie are the kind who provide others with the opportunity to pursue their dreams and are far too rare. Thanks for sharing.

[@ferawyn_]

I saw both these movies when they came out. I remember plenty about Red Planet. The spaceship, the robot, the actors, several set pieces... I don't remember anything about Mission to Mars.

[@MisterGames]

Ditto.

[@pbxn-3rdx-85percent]

I remember the psycho robot but I didn't remember the exact movie title. That robot was scary to me because it was well designed and almost indestructible.

[@808artemis]

Regarding 'your' Mars film, what a lovely and positive story, thank you for telling us all. p.s. Mission to Mars

[@AnabranAnimations]

Red planet had some of the best Fictional spacesuit designs of the time they would fit well into a space film made today. even the “heavy” suit Carrie moss wore in the dramatic Gallagher rescue scene was awesome (which had a great score BTW)

[@MerrimanDevonshire]

3rd option: John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars?

[@anubusx]

Mars Attacks!!!

[@nickblack2006]

Love that film :)

[@TheSektor13]

Actually Last Days on Mars is pretty good if you haven't seen it yet.

[@BadwolfFPV]

Ra Ra Ra La La Ra Ra.

[@Julie-kq7pm]

That movie gave me nightmares! Love it!

[@WolfRamAndHart]

THanks for the touching send off at end for Ms. Ferguson. RIP.

[@Darkerfoxtech]

"Shot on location" 😂 for a split second i said wait what?

[@RoverIAC]

I worked on Red Planet. Tom Sizemore threw a cup of coffee at Val Kilmer. After that all their scenes where shot separately and composited together. Tom: You're late, that's not very professional. Val: Talking about not being professional, I saw your footage last night. Coffee, face.

[@aquariandawn4750]

That's a shame, I always liked em both. We tend to forget our entertainers are humans like us. Now Tom is dead and Val beat cancer, but ravaged by it.

[@chasehedges6775]

Love your content, Dave

[@TheDaveCullenShow]

cheers man

[@davidjamesduprey]

I remember seeing both films and liking Red Planet much more. I've seen Red Planet a few times since, but have never rewatched Mission to Mars. You've made me want to revisit that film at least one more time. I really enjoyed the Docu-Drama Series from National Geographic called "Mars". It was great. Season 1 was about getting to Mars to setup a colony among interviews with scientists, researchers, etc. Season 2 was about the living on Mars years after Season 1. Unfortunately, both seasons were very short and the show did not continue.

[@tkeen1412]

I have watched red planet maybe 5 times and mission to Mars once and that was enough.

[@karimmiteff3211]

Hi Dave. Thanks for revisiting these films. Not cinema gems or classics by any means, but certainly much better than films like The Wizard of Mars, but oddly not as fun as The Angry Red Planet or Robinson Crusoe on Mars. In case you haven't seen it, one Mars film that I have enjoyed, even though no one actually visits the planet is Red Planet Mars (1952). If you haven't seen it, you might find it interesting. Since you shared your personal Mars story, I thought I'd share this tidbit from the past. A program I worked on in conjunction with NASA and Nickelodeon. It was basically a Star Trek parody that had an educational component. Teachers were supposed to record the program on VHS when it aired at 5:00 am on Nickelodeon and then show it to their class, except for the portion reseved for the teachers. There were at least eight different episodes in the series. The link below is an episode on the Inner Planets. This episode included a segment called "The Angry Red Planet" as a tip of the hat to the aforementioned film. The KZbin link to the episode is here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmW1ipaOntx-bLMsi=wIJijevGLJB_nt53 Thanks, Dave.

[@andrewcoulthard-clark]

All the catch phrases you listed in Mission To Mars made my day😂😂😂😂 - you gotta do that more often😎

[@jplopp7388]

Making a movie is hard work. A friend of mine and I made one in 2009, and it was a financial loss. Shooting was fine, but getting it edited, getting music, and ADR was a real pain. We thought we lost it when our camera person just stopped contact. Fortunately, 3 years later, we got the footage and audio, and my co-director edited it. He used generic music from his editing software, and it got a few copyright strikes for the music. So, he adjusted it again and put it on DVD for everyone in the film. It's a ride man.

[@theomimesis]

I hate to admit it, but I like to watch "Red Planet" every so often.

[@wagnerpaivafernandes]

Both masterpieces if compared to modern movies

[@mikavirtanen7029]

Funny how they used to write highly competent but still likable and human female characters back in the day. Carrie-Ann Moss as commander is never condescending and/or raging bitch in the movie...i can imagine what kind of harpy would be in the role if the movie would be done today.

[@aldunlop4622]

Congratulations on making your movie! Even though you didn't get to make any money, the process and being able to express yourself must be immensely gratifying. I'd love to watch it!

[@Doct0rSeethes]

Graeme Revell's work on the Red Planet soundtrack is sheer genius. When record stores were still a thing, I special-ordered the soundtrack on CD. Red Planet definitely has its flaws, but that OST makes up for a LOT of its shortcomings. The feeling to that movie is unique because of it.

[@boblolz]

Glad I'm not the only one who recognized Graeme's work on Red Planet.

[@Doct0rSeethes]

Also, Emma Shapplin on three of those tracks is timeless beauty: The Inferno, The Fifth Heaven, and Canto. That third track has three X's after Canto, but I'm leaving those out to avoid this comment getting zapped.

[@boblolz]

@@Doct0rSeethes Listen to her album, Etterna. It was produced by Graeme.

[@fep_ptcp883]

This is respectable. A man who made an actual movie about Mars giving his insights and opinions about Mars movies

[@murphykenji]

Red Planet is fun, it doesn't get lost in a 2001 Space Odyssey acid trip, it's not exactly realistic but it only strains incredulity enough to make the movie work. It's got fun dialogue, too. Tom Sizemore, regardless of the trainwreck his life became, was a tremendous character actor. It's a satisfying adventure sci fi.

[@Trabunkle]

The story about your Mars video is awesome! It must have been a great time for you! Congratulations!

[@mattstanford9673]

Gary Sinise. End of discussion. =D

[@mattstanford9673]

Though, that said, my preferred Mars movie is "Ghosts of Mars." Lol.

[@neslock]

Love the personal part at the end, thanks for sharing that 🙂

[@survivaloptions4999]

If I had to chose Mission to Mars or Red Planet, I'd pick Robinson Crusoe on Mars. But I did like Red Planet a bit more.

[@booyah4373]

Impressive, as always, Sir. Thank you for your works.

[@kickintheeyedon]

Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars for the win.

[@vanillabadboy4469]

Oh God no.

[@naiboz]

Absolutely not

[@Fred-rv2tu]

I just vomited all over my desk.

[@EddieHenderson92]

One of the worst movies ever made.

[@BryanBertomeu-ji8tl]

Excellent video and that personal bit at the end was well done. Keep up the good work.👍

[@samuelschwager]

Total Recall is my favorite mars movie :)

[@davidnierzwick2775]

Martian is mine.

[@faselei7774]

..both great films, but my fave is Capricorn one, I guess that counts??

[@XentorAntarix]

There I can only totaly .... Agree :-)

[@XentorAntarix]

@@faselei7774Well only that it not plays on or is around Mars.

[@samuelschwager]

@@faselei7774 Well, they are supposed to go to mars, so I guess that counts ;)

[@pigeonpoo1823]

Red Planet was a huge commercial failure. Disney in the 2020s: wholly acceptable.

[@sillyhead7441]

Loved Red Planet. Thank you for another great review.

[@THEBURNETTWORK]

I love that you did this.

[@mentorofarisia371]

I was very disappointed in Red Planet for not acknowledging author Larry Niven, whose ideas they "borrowed" regarding the critters that exploded.

[@marcuspetford1098]

I say forget both of these and vote 'Ghosts of Mars'.

[@aquariandawn4750]

All three good in their own ways, tho I feel Ghosts doesn't receive enough notice. I don't know what it is about Ice Cube. I don't believe he's a good actor, but I always enjoyed whatever I saw him in, he always pulls it off.

[@chasehedges6775]

JOHN CARTER(2012) is also a good movie about Mars. Lynn Collins is as attractive as Dejah Thoris.

[@ΔαυίδΠριδεαυξ]

Underrated

[@chasehedges6775]

A very good/entertaining film

[@markdurdle7710]

And probably the best Star Wars movie Disney will ever make. 😀

[@chasehedges6775]

True.

[@chasehedges6775]

Mandalorian S1 and S2, Andor, and Rogue One were the only good/decent Current Star Wars we got but that isn't saying much.

[@aaronyarbrough7166]

Great video and I really liked the story about your personal Mars project at the end. I remember being quite taken with Mars in the late 90s after reading Robert Zubrin's A Case for Mars.

[@845835]

This is an easy one for me. I prefer Red Planet. Unfortunately Mission to Mars is too sappy.

[@ravenRedwake]

12:19 I thought they were put there by humans to seed the planet with breathable atmosphere? But like something went awry and you got ripper swarms.

[@aquariandawn4750]

Correct

[@RyanGribble]

My biggest problem was i always very them confused, but i prefer the one with the killer robot.

[@Cruxics]

Figures you'd pick to movies that are a pain to get on bluray lol.

[@thistime35]

That was a pretty cool story about your Mars video. I’m glad u shared and that I stuck around till the end to hear it 😑

[@bigpesoproductions1413]

It’s crazy that Red Planet is the stronger film by a mile.

[@Ammoniummetavanadate]

Super cool you got that film on TV, I should see if I can find it somewhere

[@Noctivagus47]

Great movies! Mission to Mars was my favorite

[@CringePanda]

Wow, awesome video Dave! The part about Bobby Faye and your documentary was very cool!

[@edmundryan3165]

Red Planet for the visuals and the action.

[@joshzwies3601]

3:30 Channeling your inner Cartman.

[@michaelvandeginste3497]

Red Planet was released rather quietly, compared to Mission to Mars. There wasn't much promotion for it and it wasn't prescreened for critics in the U.S., as I recall.

[@ressljs]

I was excited for, and disappointed by both. But I thought Red Planet was particularly atrocious.

[@ejacks3]

Dave thank you for your personal story. I am so glad I stayed to the end. Trust me, that tale has inspired other young people out there you may never know. PEACE

[@lukeskywalker6809]

I prefer RED PLANET. I mean it has Carrie-Anne Moss naked in it, duh.

[@Jordie_42]

Wait what? Ok Im sold

[@BCBaron]

Preach!

[@lukeskywalker6809]

:D@@Jordie_42

[@TCook-d3s]

Thanks for posting this. I feel like I know you better now after hearing some of your history.

[@VeraldoAncodini]

Well, now we know that Mars is a barren rock that will never be terraformed or in any way become suitable for life. It's ironic that any colonization attempt will end up even worse than any movie predicted.

[@MattStuttgart]

Thank you for your expierence. :-) I was a kid in Germany and loved a radio play cassette. It was about SETI. I was so fascinated that I wrote to NASA. Months later, I received large illustrated books with information about SETI and also a book with information about the space shuttle. I still have them - it's been at least 35 years.

[@ThePezzy12345]

Red Planet is like The Core, in that they are both guilty pleasure movies. They aren't good by any means, but I just enjoy them for some reason. The Martian is probably my favorite movie that involves Mars.

[@XentorAntarix]

The core is 100000 times better than Red Planet, sorry ..... It is a good B Movy (with A Movy budget). But mutch better than "The walk through a dessert" Red planet thingi.

[@davidnierzwick2775]

Great work as always Dave🙏👍

[@saladinbob]

The whole phenomena of multiple movies around the same theme was just a studio cash grab to try (and invariably fail) to cash in on the success of a better movie that came first. Troy and Alexander, both trying to emulate the success of Gladiator, neither of them coming near to how good that movie is, and they were the best of the rest. Some times it works, like the '90s gangster genre, where you end up with Goodfellas, Heat, Reservoir Dogs, Lock, most of the time you end up with Ghosts of Mars. The irony of mission to mars though is they tried to cash in on the Martian conspiracy theories of the late '90s, and by the time these movies got released, the entire fad was over and everyone had moved on. It's still the better movie thought.

[@waltergold3457]

TROY was excellent, and GLADIATOR was junk (as was ALEXANDER) - Ridley lost it as soon as he started the slow-motion camera in the Germanic forest, and things went downhill from there, to a limping finale.

[@SwiftOnSports]

Dave, the story about your after-college experience and writing NASA, then filming, and getting to meet some of the NASA Personnel is so freaking cool! Thanks for shariing! P.S. RIP to Bobby Fae. She sounds like she was an absolutely awesome person!

[@seangilchrist3102]

I personally enjoy both but red planet is the better of the two

[@chasehedges6775]

For me, John Carter is the best Mars movie

[@Marktheberzerker]

​@chasehedges6775 don't forget Total Recall 😊

[@sandman_says_runrunner4701]

@@chasehedges6775 Yeah... because that was part of the TWO choices. Hippopotamus... see I can make stuff up too.

[@chasehedges6775]

We can make stuff up all we want.

[@chasehedges6775]

Totally Recall is 👍

[@newdefsys]

I remember sitting in my theater seat saying to myself, this movie should be called _Rescue_ _Mission_ _To_ _Mars_

[@richardb.7054]

I Did not like Mission to Mars, but Red Planet was pretty good, and earned a place in my dvd collection.

[@spenser9908]

Mission to Mars was always my movie. Probably a nostalgia thing due to how hyped I was as a kid to see it in the cinema. Plus that horrific tornado scene at the start.

[@nickthx1138]

Great dual review, and great story about your past as a young documentary maker with contact with such notable NASA and tv/media figures, thanks!

[@carlpeters8690]

Loved the personal bit at the end.

[@danjohnson887]

LoL Dave, I LOVED your rendition of badly written Roger Dodger banter!!! "Let's run it up the flagpole and see who salutes" 🤭

[@Rapidkirby3k]

I always lliked watching many of the differences between twin movies, and this one is my favorites. Really love your videos, Dave! 😎👍

[@pladampa]

Behind the scenes everyone hated each other on the set of Red Planet.

[@aa-xn5hc]

Well done with your first project 😊

[@tinderbox218]

Incredible to find out you've actually been to Mars and made it back safely! Impressive

[@josephdillard9907]

Personally i like both movies, i think they are both good guilty pleasure type movies. If i had to pick one to actually sit down and take the time to watch again, it would most likely be Red Planet though.

[@atomiota5191]

I’ve seen both. Excellent analysis. You are always my oasis of reason in a maelstrom of chaotic film criticism. Keep going.

[@AngryDuck79]

I have seen Mission to Mars a half dozen times and I can honestly admit that I never noticed Gary Sinise's guyliner.

[@KangMinseok]

Congrats bro... u not geh.

[@zardox78]

Holy crap. The Mentalist was in Red Planet. I had no idea. Then again, I had no idea he was in L.A. Confidential either until a couple of weeks ago. I guess that's what happens when you only watch a movie once and then a couple of decades go by.

[@jesseslack2089]

When Tim Robins is waiting for the hook and it's just going and going and all of a sudden it stops you just hear "DAHDNAHDAA" whatever the music cue is I busted out laughing all those years ago just cause of that scene in Mission to Mars!

[@cliffalexander2890]

That really was a good side story! thank you for sharing.

[@promnightdumpsterbaby9553]

Red planet is entertaining,mission to mars is depressing.

[@ALRinaldi]

I need to rewatch both of them. My dad liked both but I remember him rewatching Red Planet more.

[@zoltanrudolf]

I have both on DVD :-)

[@boscodooley8561]

Eyeliner and a bad haircut. He looks like a Hot Topic salesman.