THE ultimate vespa IGNITION TIMING setting GUIDE | FMP-Solid PASSion |

sip vape ignition on a quattrini m244, HOW2 set ignition timing.
needed tools:
1: measuring tape or paper
2: sliding caliper
3: marker and knife
4: piston stopper
5: ignition timing light
6: 12v atterie
7: tools for removing flywheel
-holder, - puller, 19 socket, torque key
How to find the right value for variable ignition, like this one.
So the static value is 17-18 degree for all tunings 177-244cc
Two ways are getting you there, or thats at least the way i do it:
1) where does the engine have its biggest power? put 17-18 degree there
2) in which rev area will you ride the engine the most? put 17-18 degree there.
from these points you go back on the ignition graph and you have your starting set value.
While Cruising the engine gets the hottest, so having 18 degrees there is not such a bad thing.
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[@DioDellaMuerte]

You made a great videos on Vespa Timing. Thank You Very Much

[@kobi5282]

Hi there. Thanks for all your videos. Super helpful! I am going to install a SIP VAPE static ignition on my 1988 Vespa T5. The original manual has the ignition point at 16 degrees BTDC. Does this stay the same when changing the ignition system to the SIP VAPE? I see you mention 18 degrees as the ignition point. Any advice will be much appreciated. Thanks again : )

[@FreakMoPed8]

depends on the cylinder. and exhaust. which is it

[@jocco225]

Hi there FMP. I just want to ask why you chose to go with Sip/Vape ignition? I like it but I’ considering buying pinasco or maybe the polini because they have option for electronic start on their flywheel. Which one would you recommend?

[@FreakMoPed8]

cause its proper quality, look up VAPE its a czech company that is doing this for a long time. They know what they are doing. All the other ignitions - no. Matter which brand - are the same asia. Stuff, see the 4 coil statoe, just different labeled. Check the typical pages and ebay, you will find the coils for 20.- 😉 AND they have very low power in low rev, it looks like 6vold oldtimer then Vape provides a lot of power ans its pickup coil contacts are vertical!

[@csie9029082]

Thank you very much for your video. How would I set 150-166 ? thanks.

[@FreakMoPed8]

what exactly?

[@EddieEloff]

Tell me do you have a video on setting up points with timing. I have a vespa p150x 1983. As you can see from my profile picture. I love the P200e for more power and electronic cdi but this scooter landed in my lap a few years ago and i could not say no as it was in a good condition but I was never good with points and condensors. My problem always was that if she idles for about 5min she would foul the plug. I already have changed the points and condensor but I notice that my exhause is wet. The only way I could sorts of remody this problem was to set the carb as lean as i can. To me it looks like the spark is not strong enough at idle to burn the fuel. I have used a tuning glass that you screw into the parkplug hole to see what color spark is and at idle its yellow and the higher she revs it turns blue. I am running LED head light and tail lights. How can i set the sparkplug to burn hotter at idle? Everything stock standared. Thanks

[@FreakMoPed8]

What do u mean with "points for timing"? And whats "foul the plug"

[@EddieEloff]

@@FreakMoPed8 Plug foul means the sparkplug dies, all back and wet. stator timing on p150x.

[@EddieEloff]

I set the stator and engine "marks"(on the casing and stator) to line up in January when I change the crank clutch oil seal. (0.5mm advance) Last week I notice the exhaust is wet. if the scooter idles for more then 5min the sparkplug dies (wet). I think the spark is not strong at idle. yesterday I looked at the points. 0.70mm I then set it to 0.32mm. took it for a test drive, the exhaust was dry. But I still face the problem that the sparkplug dies when I idle the scooter especially when engine cold. "I always start and ride" kzbin.info/www/bejne/a57Geploe9ujmZY

[@ΓεώργιοςΓιαννακοπουλος-δ4υ]

hello. do you know the degrees for pk 125 xl 1988?

[@FreakMoPed8]

sry no

[@trijulianto_naura]

please hint. My Vespa PS uses CDI magnetic ignition, still uses Platina. The beginning of the napur's position in front of A (clinking sound machine), after that I shifted backwards in the middle between A and IT (the machine was no longer narrow but the engine temperature was very hot as fast as tens of KM). Please advise and hint ... 🙏

[@FreakMoPed8]

you should set it in detail, also to see if the ignition point is stable = the ignition ok what about fuel supply? ensure enough fuel for the engine

[@rianyunanto3353]

Which one best for ignition starter? Malossi vespower, pinasco or polini ?

[@FreakMoPed8]

All the same cheap stuff, just different colours and bra ds, look at the typical 4 coils, also parmakir, vespatronic, pinasco, vmc, evergreen etc. Wouldnt buy it. Also horrible low power at low revs, seriously lools like 6v back in the days...

[@FreakMoPed8]

Buy a sip VAPE, as vape does this for many motorbikes for 20y look up their website.. Its a czech. company.

[@rianyunanto3353]

@@FreakMoPed8 thx sir for your answer 😃

[@numankazanci5732]

Why dont use micrometer for TDC and alignment ? And I want to learn if I find TDC by micrometer and drop down from TDC 1.8 mm is this same 18 degree ?? Could you give information please... @mista FreakMoPed

[@FreakMoPed8]

its not.

[@MarcoJBaldan]

Hello, is that ignition variable? I ask about the movement when accelerating. Tell me, how to know which grade is better? less degrees (19 °) for high rpm? or 21 °. I don't know if I explain myself. I want to understand well how to find the best grade according to the cubic centimeters of the engine.

[@FreakMoPed8]

Yes variable. Static value is 17-18 degree for all tunings 177-244. Two ways are getting you there, or thats at least the way i do it: 1) where does the engine have its biggest power? put 17-18 degree there 2) in which rev area will you ride the engine the most? put 17-18 degree there. From this point go back on the ignition graph and you have your set value. While Cruising the engine gets the hottest, so having 18 degrees there is a good choice.

[@MarcoJBaldan]

@@FreakMoPed8 Ok understood, thank you very much

[@andreawardana]

@mista FreakMoPed how to settings 150-166?

[@chE3z1]

My Stella now has a VMC Super G, and when I was checking the timing with a light I noticed that it has auto-advance ignition. It advances about 3-5 degrees when above idle. Should I set it to 18 degrees at revs? Also, would it be worth it to get an aftermarket CDI with adjustable timing curves?

[@FreakMoPed8]

cdi is rather defect. in which direction does it jump?

[@chE3z1]

@@FreakMoPed8 My mark on the flywheel moves counter clockwise when you rev it, up to around 3000rpm then it stays in the advanced position

[@FreakMoPed8]

Wrong direction 😉 from.when on is it stable. yes set 18 degree when its stable.

[@haerritajuddin3596]

Hello sir, recently, my clutch key were snapped/broken. Problem is, it felt into the engine. Can you suggest how to get it out? Or do i have to open up the engine completely?

[@FreakMoPed8]

Oi! Yes use a magnet on a movable stick to fish it out

[@EddieEloff]

That has happened to me. you get a magnet on a bendable wire \ Bens the wire to where you need to go.

[@aypain2846]

Sir degree standart coil elktronic vespa px..haw much starting digree elktronic standart px150

[@FreakMoPed8]

18

[@babercobaig9844]

Sir, vespa super my rpm is is coming low very late

[@FreakMoPed8]

check my false air guide

[@babercobaig9844]

@FreakMoPed8 Thank you very much . Is it something to do with the carborator slide apart from false air

[@steveg4261]

How do you know where is 18 degree on polini ignition ? There is only a ligne longer than the others in the middle and between two ligne it’s say that’s refer to two degree...

[@FreakMoPed8]

every crank, flywheel and stator has to measured. No matter if the stator is Marked or not

[@steveg4261]

mista FreakMoPed it look fun... you say 18 degree for m244. In quattrini manual guide they say 26 degree. And in polini manual guide they say 23 degree for the polini ignition. 😂

[@FreakMoPed8]

depends on the ignition type static 17-18 degree. variable 24-26° (which regulates down to 17-18 at the dangerous area) ;)

[@steveg4261]

@@FreakMoPed8 If you set up Vap ignition at 21°, at dangerouse area what will be the ° ?

[@FreakMoPed8]

checkout the curve (ie i posted it on my fb page in the pic folder of sip vape) and calculate back. it will be too low for sure. you need to start higher (if you meant the variable)

[@vespasandengines]

What timing gum are you using?

[@FreakMoPed8]

A noname. any cheap one does the job.

[@furiosg]

Papierfaltmethode -> net deppat! ;)

[@FreakMoPed8]

😄 war neu für dich?

[@fredbert4048]

how would i set for a polini177

[@FreakMoPed8]

Always the same 17-18 degree