MiSTer FPGA and IGS PGM? The Best Arcade Core That's Possible

[@bartvb5059]

This is the arcade core I want the most. We need dodonpachi daioujou in fpga

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s at the top of my list too

[@thommccarthy1139]

Daioujou switch port is really well done but having fpga would be ice cold

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

We need the core :)

[@systemshocker2875]

Isn't it on Sega Saturn?

[@thommccarthy1139]

@@systemshocker2875 no

[@rrshier]

No promises, but when I saw this video, I looked into the sound chip ICS2115, and I've already begun coding some VHDL :-) (PLEASE NO PROMISES, I still work full time, but am trying to dip my feet back in, as an ex FPGA dev).

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha stop by the mister discord. Join the convo at least

[@rrshier]

@@VideoGameEsoterica - Oh I already own and use a MiSTer, as well as frequent the discord LOL. I may have even messaged you on there at one point, when I made the correlation between your account on there and your account here LOL.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha yes I tried to change my name and people got confused. I’m awbacon

[@iiiiii3673]

I rather have a IGS PGM multicart. I own four systems and all the best games

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’m surprised one doesn’t exist yet

[@icon176]

This! The core Ive been waiting for! Ketsui,Espgaluda and ddpdoj…I hope this comes to FPGA, seems doable for sure. Keeping my fingers crossed…

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’ve got my fingers crossed too and I have the board

[@RetroReloaded]

We need a video showcasing the community's most insane Mister builds. All the different arcade setups and the amount of customization people go through to play their favorite games again. You could even do a top 10 at the end of the year.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha I’d be down for that

[@SianaGearz]

A closely related soundchip ICS1614 GF-1 from Gravis Ultrasound there is an FPGA implementation of it. The software emulation implementation of Wavefront differs greatly between MAME and FBA. It would be nice to see comparison against real hardware to see how exact either of them has gotten it! FBA also has two build time modes one with cubic interpolation one allegedly hardware-like mode.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Sound is so foreign to me as far as my understanding of the hardware is concerned

[@akraftw3rkorange]

CPS3 winning the vote is so funny. It's one game folks, Third Strike without online matchmaking. Brilliant pick!!

[@jfitnesshealth]

I prefer sfiiii , and sfiii 2nd impact. I prefer the movelists, sound effects, graphics, and voices over 3rdstike. You heard ryu say hadoken in the 1st two games?! Hadooooouuuuuuken. 😅😅 sounds good as heck. 3rd strike sounds half a$$ lol

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Both platforms are awesome but yes PGM is my choice p

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I just don’t like CPS 3 hardware. Too delicate

[@AldoInza]

Cps3 is like Star Wars on laserdisc. Most people only care about laserdisc because of this one movie series. But the movie series truly is relevant enough to keep the word laserdisc as part of the lexicon. It's a rare and delicate and incredibly popular game, don't act so surprised that more people exist who care about sf3 and know about FPGA than there are people who know about FPGA and any other given arcade platform.

[@WWammyy]

@@akraftw3rkorange The games that matter to you are are worth a 100 games unheard of. PGM is unheard of by most people.

[@gunsmithx]

This would be a shame to not have it done at some point still so many great aracde games to port

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’m sure it’ll happen eventually

[@ezgoodnight]

You do always get me excited about this as a potential MiSTer core

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

That’s because PGM is truly just that good

[@ezgoodnight]

@VideoGameEsoterica let's hope our lord and savior jotego can help us out

[@MasaCheez]

2:44 "Zed's dead baby* 😂

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

🤣

[@DoinThatRag]

I literally was in the middle of taking a sip of my drink when that come up and ended up dribbling some of it on my keyboard when I heard that! Pulp Fiction is my all time favorite movie without question. There are just so many classic lines in that script and I love the characters and story. Oh, and I do love IGS PGM games as well! 😁

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha I do love when people laugh

[@TitchgamerRG]

As a PGM lover I really hope it comes to Mister. Its a seriously underrated system.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’m always advocating for it any chance I can get

[@travisshipley2609]

I wish I knew how to do this kind of hardware work. PGM is crazy underrated. Currently working on getting all the carts.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

How many do you have so far?

[@markh384]

Fantastic reviews as ever. I try to watch most of your videos

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I appreciate that :)

[@GoTiKYT]

Hi!. Great games on PGM and PGM 2. It'll be fantastic to have both on MiSTer. Thanks for the video .Greetings! 😉👋

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

PGM 2 probably will need to wait for a MiSTer 2

[@flottenheimer]

Been dreaming about this MiSTer core for years. Both JT and COC have previously expressed or hinted at their interest in developing it. Hopefully this video can drum up more hype and finally make some awesome developer push through and work their magic. Fingers crossed!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Def a core that would be awesome to have

[@bjornh1527]

Good hope for it in FPGA then! Hope it will happen, the IGS games just look so beautiful!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s a pretty console for sure

[@shadicpro21]

I hope it happens just to make MarkMSX/Elevtric Underground super happy.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Not familiar with them

[@shadicpro21]

@VideoGameEsoterica he's a game reviewer on KZbin who makes great videos on arcade games, I recommend you to check him out. He has made a video on the MiSTer FPGA.

[@blahdelablah]

​@@VideoGameEsotericaI've not heard the name MarkMSX before, but Electric Underground has a channel on KZbin, he likes to talk about and review games from the perspective of an arcade gamer, I think you'd like his stuff.

[@strydervip]

This one is my most wanted!! It will give us the most games. Granted CPS3 gives us probably the best 2d fighter ever. The value of the IGS PGM core greatly outweighs the CPS3 core

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

So many games for one core

[@iiiiii3673]

I have a CPS3 with the DarkSoft simms. The games are fun but PGM would be better overall.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

@iiiiii3673 way more variety

[@MrJorgalan]

Several years ago, Jotego held a vote to decide which system to develop on FPGA. Among the options was the PGM system, which I voted for. However, I don’t remember the details clearly, but I believe the winning option was porting CPSIII to MiSTer.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes CPS III won that poll

[@jerryklein3]

Hitting that 10 minute mark like the professional video editor you are 😂

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I dunno why everyone keeps mentioning 10 minutes lol. The length for mid roll ads is 8 minutes. People think I make the vids 10 for some sort of ad situation. I just make them 10 as my formats are 10/15/25 depending on topic

[@Kiritomens]

I'm pretty sure the last couple of years that has changed anyway. Now a video only has to be 7-8min long to have ads running on your videos lol.

[@Kiritomens]

@@VideoGameEsoterica Oh you already commented on that srry lol.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha zero worries. People keep thinking there is this ten minute “hustle” and that hasn’t been true for a long time

[@shain6946]

cough.....Checkra1n ...... cough ..... if you know you know!

[@Charlie-Cat.]

The IGS PGM arcade unit was truly underrated VGE. I actually have one in the collection and have to say this was a real hidden gem that never received the attention it should've received. 8^)

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’m surprised even today it’s still pretty unknown

[@TX_Retro]

I swear, every day you post, I have to respond with gratitude. This is a perfect example of someone who knows what they are talking about and I can say, "hell yes, I get it!" You literally explained it to me like I am 5 and that helps some times. To sum this up,.....This core doesn't exist and we can't currently play PGM but guess what, the NANO has already used the chips from these systems so it would be easy to make. You really love arcades! Have you dabbled in making a core?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I try to explain it so everyone comes away with a solid understanding. My background outside of filmmaking is coach to high level athletes / college professor. So relaying info is something I try to make sure I do effectively

[@SuperDwango]

The only reason people want cps3 is for 3rd strike no one cares about the sprinkle of other games on that platform. Pgm has a more diverse game lineup which potentially will appeal to more people imo.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

PGM def wins the diversity contest

[@bunnybreaker]

I'm not the target audience (generally happy with software emulation), but being able to use a Mister FPGA as a full FBA replacement would definitely make it more appealing. Seems like a step closer 👍🏽

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

So much more fun left to come to MiSTer

[@geneshifter]

I hope they can do it. My Espgaluda cart has weird sound issues I was never able to resolve.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Maybe a cold joint on a sound rom

[@Robertkopp84]

Sure I want PGM, but I would also dig if X68k would get more love. I could not believe that is does not even support emulated 3 button pads or a megadrive pad through snac

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’d love to see x68000 development finish as well

[@nickxcom]

I think the one ive played the most is Demon Front? I could have SWORN this was already on MiSTer but i have no clue why i thought that. Wishful thinking i guess lol

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha these so much on MiSTer it’s hard to keep track of what ISNT

[@flottenheimer]

Demon Front is such a gem.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

@flottenheimer legit an awesome game

[@nickxcom]

@@VideoGameEsoterica id LOVE to run into it in an arcade somewhere! Feels like an impossible dream lol

[@ElectroCurmudgeon]

if i ever played any of the igs pgm titles i was not aware of who the producer or distributor or company was sadly. all the titles look sound cool though. nice stealth pulp fiction mention man.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha everyone loves the reference. Way more than I expected

[@c2ironfist]

Despite me already owning a nice library of really great PGM games I'd like to see a PGM core so that many others can enjoy the library as well

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Exactly. It’s still a pretty slept on platform

[@c2ironfist]

@VideoGameEsoterica f For the amount of really good games I'm surprised as well I've that core comes out hopefully that will change

[@jethrotannis5673]

PGM games I have played are KOV2, Gladiator, and Demon Front. I still havent gotten around to popping martial masters into my pgm even though it looks super dope. I guess one thing that confuses me a bit about mister is the video output. For shmups the output will still be tate, so for someone like me who doesn't have a crt monitor in that configuration wouldn't that be a problem? The PGM is a super underrated system but I "think" I have access to most of the non shmup games I am interested in already...

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Gotta get to the rear of the beat em ups. No if you use LCD the cores always have rotation options built in

[@ianuzzo]

I have a couple of PGM boards and some games. My favourite is definitely Demon Front. Would love to see this come to FPGA. I saw there's IGS collection for Nintendo Switch but i'm not sure that's great because there is no 4:3 option. Don't like the stretched widescreen thing at all.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

There’s no 4:3 option? That’s a miss

[@ianuzzo]

@@VideoGameEsoterica Yeah,from the coverage i've seen on it there's no 4:3 option. So yes,that's a miss indeed. it could always be patched later ofcourse.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Why would they do that??

[@ianuzzo]

@@VideoGameEsoterica insanity!

[@cm3004]

Hey VGE, did you see that Obscure Gamers have opened their forum again? I seem to remember you frequented it back before it shut down.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I haven’t no. Interesting

[@ConsoleCombat]

Where do you source your arcade boards typically? EBay or conventions?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

9/10 boards are private deals. eBay is the rest

[@Reaperman4711]

I love PGM1. The photo y2k games offer the only 2-player spot the difference action I know of, and 2p is where those shine. I think you skipped right over what I think that system16 page calls a 'protection chip'(?)--there are giant socketed chips on those later game carts. I think the main cpu was probably relegated to basic duties, because those look like they do some heavy lifting. (might be wrong about that)

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Protection of PGM has been solved so that wouldn’t really put up an issue

[@rahndail3863]

Are you aware of any teams working on this core? I'd love to play Ketsui and DOJ on the Mister, especially if they could incorporate save states.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Not aware of any active work no

[@markh384]

Ive found my PI3B gets very close to great emulation of some PGM games like Demon Front & Ketsui etc.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’ve never tried it on Pi but I’m not surprised

[@METR0lD]

Heck yeah, I've been saying for a long time that PGM is my most wanted arcade core! 🤘

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

This and Taito F3!

[@sama7545]

I was about to ask if the intro to your videos is a loop of Mister Mister’s “Broken Wings” and then I realized the Mister Mister joke. 😅

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha do few people catch the Easter egg

[@Mibaa]

I own two PGM boards and carts of the "best" games and yet I still hope we get a MiSTer core so more people can experience these gems

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes. The more fun for all the better

[@Riz2336]

Seems like it's definitely possible, I should emulate some PGM games they look pretty good

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

So good. Def start playing

[@MINDoSOFT]

What is the IGS PGM game that resembles Metal Slug called ?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Demon Front

[@Aeonsparx]

I want to blame you for my obsession to collect 6 of the best IGS PGM cartridge games so far - Espgaluda, Dondonpachi Daioujou black label, Kitsune, demon front, KOV 2 and oriental legends. Hope to add more to the library but some of the other titles cost a bomb. I’ll have to wait a little longer.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha I cannot be held responsible for inspiring purchases

[@Aeonsparx]

@@VideoGameEsoterica You’ve totally called us out in a bunch of videos-yep, I'm 100% responsible for this mess!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

🤣 I’m a bad influence

[@jonnyesper6698]

I have Demon Front and 3 cave shumps on Igs pgm, would be good to play the rest of the library on my mistercade as the prices are out of control these days😊🥰

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

And they used to be so cheap haha

[@jd213_]

Also hoping for a multi-cart, the motherboards are still pretty inexpensive. Some of them have battery leakage but can be repaired fairly easily

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I am surprised there isn’t a multi yet

[@Aeonsparx]

@@VideoGameEsotericaI have seen multi cart for Cave Shooters collection and some oriental legends and KOV somewhere out there in AliExpress before.

[@markmcdougall2406]

The issue with MiSTer core feasibility is generally not the chips on the board. They have all been well understood for years in software emulation. The critical issue for a lot of the more powerful cores like this is total bus bandwidth. Faster CPUs contribute to this total, but also the number of graphics buses in use (eg layers) and then add sound and other co-processors. So it's not enough to say, "these CPU cores are done and other chips are understood like the Neo Geo".

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

No but in tandem and the bus bandwidth on PGM is still within spec. But you start talking bus width in video and you lose people haha

[@ravagingwolverine]

I would have voted for PGM over CPS-3. PGM's library is more robust. But, in the end, the community would eventually get to each one. Just a matter of time. I imagine if Saturn is possible, then PGM should also be within the capabilities. PGM is a fun platform. Clearly, it's patterned after the concept of the Neo Geo, but upgraded as well. I LOVE beat-em-ups, so you know I've played some PGM going back a decade. Gladiator is very good, and also has a unique feel. It's packed full of secrets, most of which I'll only be able to see on youtube. I did manage to follow along with one and get to the secret stage "Crazy Lady". It was not easy as it involved multiple steps and strange exploits of the enemy logic. I've seen in video at least one secret boss. It's impressive how many secrets and branching paths the game has, and it's a really fun beat-em-up. Demon Front is great too. It does take the Metal Slug play and visual style, though it's nice to see the smoother motion and crisper visuals. In gameplay, Demon Front is quite a bit different than Metal Slug, despite being similar in the base concept. I find Demon Front is slower and is more defensive than Metal Slug, which is interesting and it ends up working well. Martial Masters is well made. I only played it a bit, but I might go back to it. And I've played some of the Knights of Valor games, though I always have to look up which one is which. I need to go back to those as it's been a while.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

My vote was for PGM. Not that I don’t love CPS 3 but the library is just so limited for the work that goes in

[@MrJorgalan]

Although the result of the vote, which was won by CPSIII, is respected, the reality is that I believe there is a lot of lack of awareness about the IGS PGM system. For the price of just one core, we can access great titles, including several high-quality shoot 'em ups by Cave, as well as fighting games and beat 'em ups. It's a shame; I think many people voted for Street Fighter III, but it's a very complex core, and the number of titles is very limited.Time has shown that this core has not progressed, and the IGS core would have been more feasible. I think it was a bad decision.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

@MrJorgalan yes the reality is not many people know about the PGM

[@Turbotobi79]

Still some arcade platforms left. Would love to see CPS3/PGM/Taito F3 at least some time. If I could choose I would want PGM first.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

We need F3!

[@evilashxero]

I want this for the CAVE shmups and Demon Front. Someone, make it happen! Please.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Fingers crossed

[@evilashxero]

@@VideoGameEsoterica Thanks for bringing attention to it.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

@evilashxero happy to do it

[@puertoricanguy999]

Has Jotego said anything about a PGM core for Mister?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Not much at all

[@alexrichard2447]

They showed they had the hardware and would consider it but that's been like a year and a half ago

[@beingsupersonic7499]

Was that a Pulp Fiction reference snuck in?!🤔

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha yep

[@beingsupersonic7499]

@Haha rock n roll🤘🏻

[@Almechazel]

"I heard he was dead" you sonofa- 😂

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

🤣

[@alpanchen]

Talking of jotego .. he does amazing work but i wish he would finally put highscore saving into his cores 😢

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Would be nice

[@sidnamyzo]

I’ve messed around with most of the non mahjong PGM games on emulation but would be so much better to have a FPGA core…Spectral vs Generation alone is worth it that game rocks, I play the PSP version from time to time

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Spectral vs Generation is def a hidden gem

[@rodrigomolinsky]

I found nobody in the comments laughing for the Pulp Fiction reference. Sad, because I did. 😅

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

One person mentioned it

[@alozanow]

will atomiswave be possible on MISTER FPGA?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

No. That’s just Dreamcast with a cart slot

[@grandjjdx]

Poly means Many, and Game means Game 🤯

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

And master means Demon Front!

[@pastluck]

My most-wanted core BY FAR. It drives me crazy this lost over cps-iii. I love 3rd strike but…come on. This provides so much more for so many more players. I need those CAVE games. Hearing that so much of the work already has a foundation makes it even more frustrating. Honestly at this point I want cps-iii done just so this gets bumped up on the waiting list.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

People just really want SF III

[@Aeonsparx]

@@VideoGameEsotericahmmm…. This is a hard one. I love to have CPS 3 SF3 third strike too. However the problem with the arcade board is the difficulty to maintain it. While on the other hand IGS PGM is as easy as maintaining MVS. I wouldn’t say no to get CPS3 core first before IGS PGM because I can be able to collect those original IGS hardware and cartridges way easier than CPS3.

[@DoinThatRag]

What is that game that was shown that kind of looked like Metal Slug but with the female character? Edit: Nevermind, it is Demon Front. Also, your collection is just incredible. You've obviously been collecting a long time, cause the price to get good working hardware and copies of these games no is prohibitive to the vast majority of the public.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

A lot of my stuff I purchased “forever ago”

[@djgokou]

Lul the real question is “Cv1000 wen?”

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

That’s Hitachi SH3 so “next gen FPGA boards”

[@DavidGarcia-qf7gc]

I vote for PGM on Jotego's poll. Won the stupid CPS3

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I mean both are def worth doing

[@adonian]

This would be an awesome new core. I wanted to buy the board a long time ago, but divorce and other stuff happened, and now it's just out of reach.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Hopefully soon your FPGA dreams will come true

[@secretaccount2565]

For me this board is waaaaaay interesting than the CPS3

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I tend to agree

[@WWammyy]

PGM has more games but they are relatively unheard of by most people CPS3 has much less games but they are games that a lot of people really want to play FPGA. My vote went to CPS3 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

That’s why a core is good; way more people will discover PGM

[@Jasonsadventures]

The impossible core but worth a try

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Much more possible than impossible

[@Hepponisme]

Long live the arcades

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Forever and always

[@krip3760]

Donate the board to Furrtek and let me him take a pass at it? 🤪

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I think he already has one

[@SianaGearz]

I have to think of tall sprite gif when mentioned him :D one of funniest things ever.

[@adventuretaco7140]

The only zed I know is LORD ZED!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

He’s not a bad Zed

[@radicalbyte]

Founders are those who buy THIS console: so Taki is giving previous customers priority but is calling those who buy the first batch (presumably without waiting for reviews etc) a Founder.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’ll have a vid at 4 on the new console

[@radicalbyte]

@@VideoGameEsoterica errrrr I thought I was replying to PCN's video. Sorry! 🤣

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha yeah I was confused

[@radicalbyte]

@@VideoGameEsoterica you're both very complimentary so I'm pretty sure most of us watch both of you 🤣🤣

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

He’s the British me. Less attractive and eats too many cans of beans though 🤣 (we’re friends behind the scenes. But he does eat beans)

[@PopeTheRevXXVIII]

A much needed core/selling point. The Switch igs collection isnt that great ive heard

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Someone else said it’s only 16:9 apparently

[@PopeTheRevXXVIII]

The Screen shots on Play Asia showed them in 4:3 but I've heard that too

[@100Megashock]

Is too bad it only has mono audio,unlike the Neo Geo.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Really not much lost there

[@nicci_dee8292]

Sadly you removed my last comment about PGM ....... and now showing Demon Front ... Anyway.. im really looking for this Core !!!! Pure awesomenes !!!!!

[@ravagingwolverine666]

Sometimes comments just don't post right on youtube. Some of mine never appear and I can't figure out why. I just blame youtube for being broken in a lot of ways.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I didn’t remove it, YT did. I only remove the most heinous of comments lol

[@nicci_dee8292]

@@VideoGameEsoterica Well anyway.... lets focus on this dream... great video

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s broken in all the ways

[@SianaGearz]

My comment committed sudoku as well! I'm sure VGE hasn't removed it, it's the machine that runs the thing here. I try to edit it down to one sentence, perhaps that works :D

[@geoffconnell532]

Demon front!!!!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

A classic I’ll never stop talking about

[@Robert-zu8cm]

Of course it would work. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

All signs point to yes

[@wildside4822]

Do want!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

We all do!

[@HyperSF2]

I'd be happy if CPS3 came out

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It will one day

[@MikkyTee]

Jotego hasnt mentioned it in a while. Not sure how things are progressing. He seems to be doing other stuff.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Jotego seems to bounce around. Which I get. Working on one thing for too long becomes tedious

[@billlumburg7594]

👍🏽

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

So you approve then haha

[@billlumburg7594]

@ yes, also helps algorithm

[@ManweruEmanuilov]

esoooo

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’ll never stop haha

[@lomaxionpeerixonez2022]

this the Taito f3 and cv1000 and cv1000b would make a trifecta of emulation more accurate than software even if not by much of niche arcade systems with cult Shumps (danamku's in this case) and upgraded versions of classic arcade games. All that'd be left is systems for games like tetris the grandmaster and remakes like strike force than before you know it the last gasps of 2d before even arcades finally became fully 3d will be preserved just that extra little bit more than what software can do since there's still drivers and occasional sound issues for the pgm and cv1000 and it's b revision when it comes to Mame and final burn neo. the only company left making "pure" arcade games really are raw thrills, and no games like beatmania don't count. They have subscriptions gachapon systems and online requirements albeit they kind of count too as far as the arcade "experience" goes, wouldn't feel right to play those games without the speakers and specialized unique controllers and headphone jacks to tune out other people. That's only two companies man hell sai dai ou jo is the last arcade game ever made to require quarters making it the last "truly pure" arcade game and the fact that cave lasted until 2012 before becoming a mobile game company that I'm pretty sure is soon to be a fashion company if i remember right fucking baffles me. How does a company like cave and snk end up making 2d games for that long? was cave even thinking of consumers when sdoj or akai katana? I do hope one day the cv1000 could get the hardware emulation treatment like the pgm it'd be great to have since i doubt anyone will fix the issues with drivers anytime soon either that or arcade database lies to me when giving certain games yellow