Misunderstood Characters - Are They Better Than We Thought? | Honkai: Star Rail

[@THE_Dr_Nguyen]

The fact that Arlan wasn’t mentioned in this video is a crime against humanity. He’s the strongest, and most underrated lightning destruction character in the game.

[@justahooman0ntheplanet]

LITERALLY the strongest *lightning destruction* 😉

[@induktioliesi]

thats the joke ​@@justahooman0ntheplanet

[@meln00bies]

😂😂😂

[@avinacrusaid]

@induktioliesi How dare you talk trash about Chadlan😡😡😡

[@bakedsushi8097]

Because he's a ni-

[@lDomyl]

Aventurine was such a pain in the ass that pulling for Boothill just to counter him was a great decision

[@leasting]

I saw a zero cycle of Aven with Boothill and that cemented my decision. Some bosses are just so annoying that pulling a hard counter character feels worth it. Helps that he's cracked as long as you actually learn how to use him

[@oscargutierrez3206]

​@@leasting He is very strong. You just have a bit of patience to gets at least two stacks and have Ruan Mei and HMC buffs active, and suddenly he hits like a wrecking ball: one hit, and there's no wall in the way.

[@windowcatt]

He is also really good with Hoolay, I was scared that I am not going to beat Hoolay when he appeared but my average built Boothill managed to one shot him everytime before he replenished his shield.

[@Kharloz007]

My "brute force history bosses team is Clara + 2 sustainers" if Yunli were another element I would have pulled for her. But need variety for the rest of the content

[@oscargutierrez3206]

@@Kharloz007 Thats true. Being exqctly same elementos and path as a preexisting character in the same niche makes things a little akward, since element coverage is pretty important.

[@flinthart]

Say it with me. "Mid means average and average is *not* bad."

[@Otherface]

*THIS* is what I always say. Is feels like people's expectations for everything are so high that mid/average = terribly. And this does not only applies to Hsr. Edid: this autocorrector is only working when it wants so.

[@kmel3588]

In a game that is all about gambling your pulls on gacha, why would you gamble on something that is just "ok" when you could gamble on something that is great? An ok unit is not good enough when instead you could get a great unit along with copies and signature lc and turn an already great unit into an absolutely busted nuts unit. Where as doing the same for an average/ok unit would only just make them "great"

[@somedragonbastard]

​@@kmel3588 idk, maybe because we like them? Not everything is about pulling the strongestestest character

[@MangaRGMC]

@@kmel3588 because I like the unit, thats why I will pull for Rappa + Lightcone when most will skip her

[@Egalia_1]

Only problem is because of the way the game is structured Mid can very well be considered bad. You need characters that can clear endgame so you can get more currency, so if they can’t contribute to that it’s actively harming your account to have them. I don’t like it either but that is how the game works

[@jennygracefully]

I’m so glad that I just pulled for who I wanted instead of following the crowd. I pulled for Boothill and accidentally got one of the most busted DPS units in the game right now.

[@wab8458]

I did the same with Topaz when everyone said get Jingliu and I got the best investment ever

[@trusfrated7831]

I pulled both for boothill and jiaoqiu bc they looked pretty lol husbando over meta

[@seang7578]

I don’t care what people say, Boothill *will* do Boothillions of damage and kill anything in less than three cycles regardless of how stacked the odds are against him 😤 I also like Jiaoqiu for Ratio teams. He’s just a cheat code and lets me use Robin much more comfortably without having to run Trend on Aventurine and silly stuff like that :)

[@aaronscott7467]

I know this is going to sound silly, because it is, but e1s1 topaz is just so much better for that slot than jiaoqiu

[@chadachi3970]

@@aaronscott7467 Or e2 Moze who also applies perma 2 debuff + does good damage, both are way better than Jiaoqui by a long shot especially with Robin.

[@mothslayer1803]

​@@aaronscott7467what if they dont like topaz and want multiple characters instead of e1s1ing one?

[@aaronscott7467]

@@mothslayer1803 Then that's fine. It's why I said it was silly. Nothing against people doing what they want. Even just e1 or s1 can work for topaz if you're ok with a little jank of ratio sometimes not applying his debuff, or you can use jiaoqiu instead if you prefer. I still personally refuse to use sampo even though he is currently my best option for my dot team because I just do not like him. Also Ruan Mei can provide that extra debuff if you have her instead of Robin, though that works poorly with her being as important as she is for super break

[@Yusuf-ke5iu]

​@@chadachi3970I guess you don't have avens signature light come? If you can, it's really good.

[@Kuddochan]

Boothill has been amongst the highest scoring characters in both MoC and AS since he came out. You'd have to live under a rock to not know he's one of the best dps units in the game by now.

[@yegaung7095]

I’ve always had a soft spot for Jiaoqiu. As more Ultimate heavy characters get released, he’ll surely get more usage.

[@kmel3588]

He literally makes acheron T0, the only thing that held back interest was his boring npc teir design

[@AramakiMakizo]

​@@kmel3588 gacha players when the character Doesnt wear an MCU tier overdesigned fit with an overbearing presence of unnecessary lines and accessories :

[@termina2737]

@@kmel3588interestingly, I pulled for him because I like his design, but I don’t actually have Acheron. 😅

[@noxlunesia]

He's literally perma-slotted into both my Acheron and Kafka/Black Swan teams. If he can ult at the start Kafka can turn 1 detonate all 5 stacks for more starting uptime, gives more debuffs for Arcana to get rolling, and overall is one of THE best DoT units while ALSO being one of the best supports for Acheron. People act like he's only good for the latter but let's not also forget he's skill point positive and Kafka is skill point negative. DoT teams don't want Sparkle/Crit Dmg so.... yeah. Jiaoqiu was a must-pull and anyone who missed him are missing out.

[@the7blargs]

Hes built for Acheron teams and is so good. I wasn't initially gonna pull but since Acheron is one of my main 2 teams it felt like I should give her an upgrade. Also reminded me of Kokkuri from Gogure! Kokkuri-san

[@IshimurA99]

Boothill can be said to be one of the characters that I regret skipping the most, because he is very strong 😢

[@mactartaglia]

same, during that time i was saving for upcoming characters

[@solarenity]

he'll get a re run soon dont even sweat it. its been almost 4 patches

[@ichigokage]

Boothill is so much fun. I did whale for his LC given there's no other Hunt LC that deals with Break Effect. The Moze LC on the current weapon banner does though.

[@PuddingQueen23]

Same. I love his playstyle so much, but I had to skip him for Ruan Mei in 2.3. If Boothill will end up having a rerun soon then I'm definitely getting him.

[@magistratum3191]

I got that 3 star lc that gives speed and nukes with 200-400k damage with weakness break enemies. He is e0 and happened to get him at 27 pity. I got no regrets pulling for goathill.

[@sunnypa7101]

Of all dps characters released so far, I feel Boothill will stand unscathed to the test of time because of two big reasons: 1.His weakness implant mechanic 2. His damage scales off of his physical break damage, which means it scales off of enemy's shield, his toughness damage, his BE, which star rail can't to do a thing to nerf them. This is the main reason why Boothill seems so self-sufficient because he does lots of toughness damage himself, and he is a better boss killer because his damage always scales off of them.

[@lillyie]

if only a certain girl with a robot wasn't released

[@LuizFernando-he8mc]

​@@lillyieboothill has some of the best moc 0cycles while firefly dont, the difference is not that big, ff is just more popular

[@harshittikka5705]

​@@LuizFernando-he8mcbruh what firefly easily clears with 0 cycle whereas boothill struggles even with bronya and Ruan mei. Sorry he doesn't stand a chance against firefly

[@jaceee4154]

@@LuizFernando-he8mcthey BOTH make moc and apoc braindead easy but one of them also makes pf easy the other goes missing when a new pf refreshes

[@tfemrobin]

@@harshittikka5705 how does he struggle with bronya mei pela he can consistently 0 cycle basically every boss in the game

[@jamess359]

Rule of Hoyoverse games: Always ignore the community.

[@justinflores3771]

Even this video at the end of the day

[@jamess359]

@@justinflores3771 Yup. All characters can clear endgame. Hoyo literally designed the game that way. Anything else is just fluff.

[@Who.-fm3zx]

@@jamess359right?? Arlan is so op

[@nightowlowo149]

@@Who.-fm3zx All 5 stars 4 stars are filler except for the most recent ones where they FINALLY cared about them. They literally nerfed Arlan from beta

[@xenoemblem7]

​@@Who.-fm3zx Yes, with Robin ofc.

[@leasting]

I think Boothill was also undervalued at first because it seemed like some content creators took a while to figure out how to play him. He's been the only DPS where I saw a couple of CC showcases misplay him pretty badly and make him look harder to play than he actually is. Idk how widespread that was or if it was just the people I watched at the time lol

[@sketchy_pause]

Literally started the game cause I saw Boothill's drip marketing. Thank you for giving him the love he deserves.

[@rosalindgatto9630]

I had a 6+ month hiatus from the game, but Boothill dragged me back in so hard, I seriously would've flashed my credit card if I hadn't gotten him early on. He's also the first character I've completely built, though I'm still hunting for betters sub-stats on artifacts.

[@norskibox1780]

Dude I started HSR for Boothill too!

[@BruhMako]

Same here!

[@svndiote]

Me too 😭

[@zakariamimouni279]

TLDR: broken characters, just got screwed by the timing of their release, it's not even about skillissue/braindead argument because JQ is as braindead as they come yet he's still broken and underrated

[@lillyie]

or boothill got overshadowed because next patch is firefly

[@TheTruth-dg5rx]

JQ isn’t hat great unless with Acheron. I pulled for him, he’s fully built, yet he doesn’t do much more than Guneifan and worse than Moze in my DOT or FuA

[@Shane_A_M]

Jiaoqiu made my Acheron 40k Pure Fiction, and saved me from building a whole new team just for that gamemode. In that sense his pull value was huge for my account. He’s great.

[@Catspirit123]

Boothill is probably my favorite dps to use. Getting stacks and nuking opponents is extremely satisfying

[@bloonbrawler9872]

I feel like if Boothill got more involved in the Penacony story quest, he would be loved more

[@DSDSDS1235]

Ya, shouldve introduced the comedic yap duo sooner

[@bubblesparks]

I have my trust that they will still bring him around when we focus on IPC centered conflict Penacony was bunch of messy plot points thrown around, and boothill's thing with the ipc wasnt even covered that much aside from him talking to aven

[@yuri_since_2021]

My favourite part about Boothill's gameplay is that he is pretty much self sustainable, support wise, because all you need is Break effect. Mine is E0S1 with 300% BE in battle alone. And he roughly does 250-350 on avarage when breaking. And thats with Gallagher and HMC. So generally, he doesn't depend 100% on other Break supports do do big damage, but benifits greatly from having them regardless. Every break suppord that FF NEEDS, is just another boost to his already nutty dmg.

[@Rhiusvell]

Boothill is so freaking underrated, it's criminal. Best pull I've made for my account, same for Jiaoqoiu as the latter can still work in a Dr Ratio team as well!

[@brycecai4700]

I mean compared to firefly 1. Half of boothill’s traces are useless, giving crit to a break dps is laughable 2. during V3 beta, hoyoverse changed half of the general break def ignore of iron cavalry set in to superbreak def ignore, and boothill has no superbreak in his kit 3. Forged lantern set is fire exclusive, despite the fact that both fire and physics has the highest break multipliers 4. Both break healers are fire, and based on leaks, fugue tingyun is also a break support (and she is also fire) 5. Before shadowed by night, the only options he could use other than his signature is river flows in spring and adversarial (and both are garbage) , whereas firefly could use fallen of an aeon because she can transform atk into break, not to mention you have to pull for shadowed by night where as aeon is free Hoyoverse is a prick towards boothill and they never bothers hiding it

[@MrcreeperDXD777]

And even with allat Firefraud glazing, Boothill still does more damage 🗣️🗣️

[@lemi3357]

He's also the only penacony character not to get a myriad celestia trailer. They really dont like muh man boothill

[@pieman2025]

Boothill's traces aren't useless because prior to having stacks, it helps him actually kill mobs with no stacks. It's like the ignite traces so he can get running for the rest of the run.

[@chadachi3970]

Fugue is a break support and also fire, but she benefits Boothill more with how her kit is looking. Target 1 ally increase their BE, apply Def down on hit, exo toughness scales better with Physical because double Bleed pops, e1 gives Break efficiency effectively replacing Ruan Mei on Boothill comps. Fugue is better for Boothill, that's just a fact, but of course Firefly benefits from her as well, just less so.

[@praisethelordgriffith8338]

ff is their cashcow with all them fire break supports and shoehorned romance (which wasnt even developed well in the first place). it's all business at the end of the day, tho unfortunately bh got the end of the stick and penacony's story quality diminished a bit (not solely ff's fault, the epilogue sucked too). anyways fontaine > penacony anyday with how cohesive it is, compared to penacony shoehorning many ideas and factions that didnt add much. remove half of the cast, the story would still be the same.

[@frappe9115]

honestly, maybe its a bit controversial, but having both full invested boothill and firefly, mr bootyhill is just... more fun to play? there's a bigger part of strategy in his gameplay, choosing the enemy to fight first, and how to minimize your turns, and if you decide to challenge yourself in a no sustain team, if you plan it right you might end the fight scatheless, while firefly may be satisfying to play, but a bit repetitive too also boothill's animations are both cool and hilarious

[@Goblinhandler]

Firefly’s popularity outside of her fanboys comes from her ease of use She’s braindead to play but doesn’t offer much outside of breaking the enemy fast so you can get the super breaks and then having a bunch of turns A well played Boothill with outperform her every single time

[@xxartemisxx1982]

​@@GoblinhandlerBH does not offer anything other waiting around collecting stacks and then nuking the enemy once when he has no innate way to move multiple times a cycle, whereas FF can move multiple times per cycle and everyone in her team is essentially a DPS due to superbreak Even a mediocre FF player can outdamage a sweaty BH main every day See? Anyone can twist words to make something sound different than it is. BH is not outperforming FF in his best day. Unless you have calcs to show this in an environment where both of them can be evaluated properly, you shouldn't be talking

[@poki6353]

I was actually able to see this difference! I pulled for Boothill while my brother pulled for Firefly, Boothill is my main dps alongside Argenti while my brother's Firefly got practically benched by his Ratio, he says if he could swap his Firefly for Acheron he would. When pulling for characters, I try to imagine what it would be like to play them repeatedly beforehand.

[@Goblinhandler]

@@xxartemisxx1982 BH gets two stacks by killing an enemy and then he can go ham. it´s why he actually prefers two or three enemies in a wave I get that you are a fanboy Boothill has the second highest overall damage in the game, all three premier hunt units far outdamage FF

[@xxartemisxx1982]

@@Goblinhandler You are ignoring so many nuances. More damage where? And in what interval? I get that you can barely talk with his dck in your mouth but try to understand Damage over a cycle is the go to metric for calculating total damage, not damage per screenshot. FF can easily outdamage this "highest overall damage" your talking about because unlike BH, who does this like once or twice, can deal her optimal damage multiple times a cycle because of her speed boost

[@NotaShorty]

Honestly didn't even know Boothill was that unpopular (minus being a hunt single hitter), since I kept seeing him often enough online to bring me back to the game.

[@thegamewoods8473]

I pulled Yunli purely on impulse and dear lord has she been a menace for my account! Shes crushing content with the best of them and gives my main girl Sparkle quite the teammate to support. Shes easily the unit thats surprised me the most.

[@LukeA471]

I love her so much

[@ink4852]

You and me both dude!

[@totallyregulargiorno]

Got her, then I got both Gepard LC and her LC in a 10 pull. Later got E2 Bronya and E1 HuoHuo when I did another ten pull. Considered her my lucky charm since

[@bullettime1116]

yunli nuking multiple times per cycle with tingyun, huohuo and sparkle. i never dont have ult up when an enemy is attacking

[@Acemont]

Yunli is legit underrated and slept on. She's a more fun Clara, that you can actually PLAY. With a unique to her, almost "real-time" counter/parry playstyle. Plus she can SLAP for 150-200K with a Clara's LC outside of Sim-U. Easily in my Top-5 characters in terms of fun. HOWEVER! I'd say, that by far, the most "interesting" characters are "archetype cores", or the "I am a bit niche right now but you will create a monster team around me with future characters" type of units.

[@STARCR33D]

The Boothill x Luka combo is such a powerful strat especially in this MoC with the Hoolay boss with the exo toughness mechanic.

[@soaring__sky]

I love this combo too!

[@jamess359]

I constantly use Boothill/Sushang with Luka all the time. It's so busted. With Ruan Mei, they both have over 200 speed. Add Welt for sustainless 0 cycle.

[@galaxier3543]

what’s the strat? 👀

[@STARCR33D]

@@galaxier3543 Basically, everyone in the team needs 150-160 spd so they can be fast enough to break shields, with BH you're only breaking the initial toughness break on Hoolay. With Luka you break the exo toughness bar, with his E6 he hits like a goddamn fucking freight train mine hits for like 380k on break and his Bleed Break DoT does like 127k. Gallagher is used hear to help SP management and to break the shields faster

[@soaring__sky]

@@galaxier3543 to expand on this, Luka ult is a vulnerability debuff, so it does amplify break DMG. You can use it to soften up enemies for Boothill to break, then Luka's enhanced basic esp at E6 will detonate Boothill's crazy break bleed to deal massive DMG, it's a similar effect to super break overall. He also can remove enemy buffs on skill making him a good support overall. For Sushang, Boothill breaks and Sushang will gain massive speed buffs, good procs on her skill extra DMG, and be fully sp neutral cause you're just hammering broken targets. I don't think it's as good as Luka tho cause she doesn't innately break anything or focus on breaking, just benefits from broken units

[@voii0777]

The fact that Boothill is literally stronger than Feixio when played correctly in low cost 0 cycles but is still being underrated by the community is hilarious

[@bloonbrawler9872]

Feixiao is better with investment, while Boothill is faster to get the ball rolling

[@voii0777]

@@bloonbrawler9872 Exactly, a lot of people think their bum ass e0s0 Feixio with Robin, Aventurine and Moze is stronger than an e0s0 Boothill but they're very wrong

[@soep19]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Boothill is probably the most op 5 star character economically wise. Mf literally doesn't need any LC to perform well for no goddamn reason. He's the definition of too broke to give a fuck.

[@D4C_267]

@@voii0777 My bum ass e0s0 feixiao with robin aventurine and march clears faster than my boothill. She's just better sorry.

[@1havenoideahonestly]

​@@D4C_267You're saying she's better while using an almost premium team with her so like, duh? And even so, i still find Boothill better for his low cost. He doesn't depend on a specific character like how Feixiao depends on Robin and how Firefly depends on harmony mc. Ofc he's better with other characters, but he can also pretty much do pretty good alone as long as you slap as much break effect on his as you can. Also for someone who can solo every boss easily without even trying, building him so so easy, you don't even need to bother putting on crit damage nor rate on him to make him good. Also he doesn't even need his lc to be good neither like how Acheron needs hers

[@_shadow_1397]

I never understood the Jiaoqiu doom posting. He’s phenomenal for Acheron and he’s actually really good in DOT if you do a Triple DOT(which I think people often forget about). I’ve always had a soft spot for him and even though I don’t play, I can still see he has insane value

[@krzysztofwisniewski8325]

I thought Acheron was strong enough for me so i skipped. I didnt realised his potential in other teams. I hope that ill have enough jades for him on his rerun.

[@sf4603]

He's an adequate dot support but no better than the other 2 premium dual dps supports RM and Robin. Robin and RM have the lead at E0, Robin is uncontested at E1, and then JQ and Robin take the lead at E2. Its not great if you wanna consider JQ a dedicated dot support. Really he's an ultimate damage support that happens to do his personal damage through dot for no particular reason and we dont have any dot dps that deal substantial ultimate dmg.

[@sf4603]

Probably the best thing that could happen for JQ's future in dot comps is for there to be a unit whos dots count as ultimate dmg, which is entirely possible but currently hes mid for dot as far as premium dual dps supports go.

[@_shadow_1397]

@@krzysztofwisniewski8325 She definitely is strong enough without him, but with him she’s much stronger. As for his strength in other teams, it’s definitely there but most would rather go for the more obvious options, which I don’t blame them for. I simply have a love for the characters that don’t seem very strong because they gave unique ways they can be played, which I love.

[@_shadow_1397]

@@sf4603 I’m aware of that, I know he isn’t better than Robin and Ruan Mei(it’s hard to beat them, so it’s expected). What I’m saying is, Jiaoqiu has a place in other teams, especially if you don’t have either or only one of them, which is what most people tend forget. Him being mid is also not a bad thing, being an average character in a Hyv game is not a bad thing.

[@jonathanrobinson198]

Yunli is easily my favorite unit to play. The sound design and counter damage is just so satisfying.

[@theashianz3562]

True

[@lorenzlighter]

i will never forget how when boothill got drip marketed firefly’s illiterate fans really wanted to boycott his banner 😭

[@hadeserebus5006]

I heard that when Sunday drip market dropped, some Firefly fans on her subreddit were plotting to find ways to make sure that Sunday won't overtake her sales like wtf??

[@XymEow]

​@@hadeserebus5006 that post was instantly taken down and everyone on the subreddit make fun of the poster, not all of us Firefly fans are psycho

[@hadeserebus5006]

@@XymEow Yeah that's why I said some. Thank god people had more sense because that's genuinely psychotic. Like it's just a game 😭😭😭

[@otto1201]

​@@XymEow did that actually happen for real? HAHAHAHA, dead-ass funny

[@angeldiaz762]

I'd say we're about due for a What happened to/Why NO ONE plays: Silver Wolf video. Her fall off deserves attention

[@InmateOmighty]

0:10 Oh God don’t even remind me about the Lingsha doom posting. Literally the entire community was spamming “E6 GALLAGHER IS BETTER THAN LINGSHA, MY E6 GALLAGHER HEALS MORE THAN E0 LINGSHA, E6 GALLAGHER IS FREE, LINGSHA IS JUST WORSE GALLAGHER”

[@soep19]

if I've gained anything from the time I spent in the hoyo community for 4 years, it's that most of the dumbass doomposting are just copers trying to convince themselves not to pull for her, or not regretting to skip for her.

[@sammysaito529]

⁠​⁠@@soep19Can Lingsha enable E0 Firefly to not only spam skill but also funnel enough energy into her that she only need to skill once to immediately ult again? Can Lingsha generate enough SP to run Boothill + E0 Bronya? Can Lingsha enable Kafka and Blackswan both at 160 SPD to spam skill? Can Lingsha enable DanIL to use fully enhanced basic every turn? Can Lingsha funnel enough energy that Robin has permanent ult? Can Lingsha applies enough debuff to maintain Ratio’s 100% FuA chances and quickly charges Acheron ult? Can Lingsha generate enough energy to Tingyun + Yunli/Argenti so they pretty much can just spam ult? No, no she cannot, she’s a E1 Firefly + Himeko merchant and that’s it

[@mathzineo6013]

She has emergency heals, heals every time an enemy is broken, deals a lot of damage, buffs break effect, she is a better gallagher but she mostly works for break teams, she IS made for break teams, if you want a character to do allat then use huo huo​@@sammysaito529

[@TheJH1015]

​@sammysaito529 bro the majority of your questions are situations in which YOU WOULDN'T EVEN WANT TO USE LINGSHA IN THE TEAM TO START WITH BECAUSE HER KIT DOESN'T SYNERGISE. Now, for your first two questions: Yes, she does. I will now ask you another question: Does Lingsha help Feixiao with her stack Generation? YES SHE DOES. Does Gallagher? NOPE HE FUCKING DOESN'T.

[@Plazumah]

​@@TheJH1015I'm gonna have to disagree there. Gallagher has a high action count so he is not completely useless in feixiao teams. I use both Gallagher and Lingsha and the sp economy with e0 firefly is annoying, it doesn't make her worse than Gallagher but I wish it wasn't a problem. Feels like it was done to bait people into pulling firefly eidolons.

[@adeonn]

Boothill and Acheron are my favorite characters currently. Both have such well written personalities in completely opposite directions. Waifu over meta for life (I'm aware Acheron is one of the most popular characters which makes it even funnier)

[@HazZzel-]

As a husbando collector, literally every single character I like has been sh!t on or called mid constantly. Mostly because the meta community is heavily biased towards female characters. But even then, a female character has to be super cute or super likable to not be doomposted Lets not forget my glorious Argenti. He's THE pf character, and hes geniunely not as bad in moc ad people seem to think. Praying that Sunday raises him in the meta

[@bullettime1116]

It's obnoxious for some of us "waifu" collectors too. My favorite character rappa was doomposted and shat on endlessly before release solely because she's not as good as firefly, same with yunli, and i like boothill too and even he got shat on as well by firefly fans. Moral of the story i hate firefly fans

[@HazZzel-]

@bullettime1116 I don't like you including Yunli in the same paragraph as the word "waifu" but yes you make a good point. Firefly stans are notoriously toxic

[@bullettime1116]

@HazZzel- i put "waifu" in quotes cause I despise the word(i dislike husbando as well but not to the dame extent) if I'm bring real here i use the phrase female and male character/unit or i use the characters name

[@HazZzel-]

@@bullettime1116 That's completely understandable. I just put husbando collector since it sounds better than "male collector" or sm

[@LeftyPencil]

Praying for blade and Moze to return to complete my collection 🙏

[@infinap]

god i love yunli. i got her e0s1 and she's so amazing in all of the 3 gamemodes. her team is so fun to play as well

[@kuratse205]

Should've went for the e1. E1 is literally a 40% increase in dmg, the biggest e1 dmg increase in the entire game. It somehow also makes her one of the best solo target dpses in the game.

[@rea_booted]

i like yunli cus i can say skill issue everytime my friend miss her ult same goes for me lol

[@rea_booted]

@@kuratse205 also s1 > e1 since 500% taunt value inccrease allow for more counter energy and ult spam which allow u to replace lynx with houhou for more ult

[@infinap]

@@kuratse205 yeah i will most likely go for e1 on her rerun. i wanted s1 for the increased aggro and i already had pretty high pity on the weapon banner!

[@DarkUser5856]

​@@kuratse205You forgot the taunt function of her LC which is very important for her.

[@Coffee.Entity]

It was always insane to me that people slept on Yunli when Clara, a 1.0 unit, was constantly and consistently cheesing every game mode, and Yunli is Clara on steroids. I've been pulling out the Yunli, Houhou, Tingyun, Robin team and it's WILD. Hardest part about the current MOC 12 was phase 1 when phase 2 Hoolay just kills himself on Yunli.

[@aevenstar100]

That hard cut to Aventurine's "fuh-rends" took me tf out that was so funny

[@hos_7711]

Yunli E0S0 and Boothil E0S0 are better than Acheron E0S0 and I’m tired of pretending they’re not.

[@sadgeplatinum19]

Absolutely correct. Acheron really NEEDS, and I do mean NEEDS, her lightcone to actually be the DPS goddess she's hyped up to be. Preferably Jiaoqiu too. She's expensive, but she is worth it.

[@voii0777]

You're objectively correct, Acheron just scales REALLY well with investment

[@soep19]

You can literally give Boothill no LC and he'll out-dps any E0S0 carry in the game

[@Ocacadordecasadas]

Fair enought,acheron needs to be atleast e0s1 and have JQ to be really T0,and also needs alot of investment,but if you manage to get all that you are gaming forever basically

[@Ocacadordecasadas]

​@@sadgeplatinum19After you get all the puzzle pieces,you get exodia basically 😂

[@user-hq1ze7ub1s]

I have been THOROUGHLY blessed with my E2S1 Jiaoqiu. I grinded like hell to get him good artifacts, and it has paid off. I don't have Kafka/Swan, Ruan Mei, or Huohuo. So he puts in WORK. He's on my Argenti team. He's the secondary buffer on my Firefly/HMC team. Hell, I've even run him with Blade to pop fire weakness. Outside of DU, his DOT easily hits anywhere from 15k-40k per tick (situationally ofc). I literally wanted to show my friend how good Kafka/Swan was by showing her what Kafka and Jiaoqiu can do together, and he kept killing things before Kafka's turn even came around. He's probably going to be in most of my team comps for a while, and I love him for it VvV

[@JOSHUAj519]

I definitely pulling for Jiaoqiu when he reruns. Really love the character after 2.4 and 2.5 Story.

[@HalfAsian123]

As a yunli main thank you

[@HalfAsian123]

YUNLIIIIII

[@DarkUser5856]

​@@HalfAsian123Same, she is really good for me but I missed her LC. I would definitely pull it in the future if yunli rerun ever comes 😅

[@HalfAsian123]

@@DarkUser5856 i also lost 5050 for the lc

[@LukeA471]

Same got her and her light cone

[@emergencita9472]

Was a very new player when Yunyun came out, she was my first proper dps and made my game so much better. And then I got Feixiao :D and now she has been thoroughly sidelined. Also Yunyun's autobattle leaves something to be desired. So I've decided to get the goat Acheron and build her a team. But Yunli will always have a spot in my heart.

[@syn010110]

yunli is incredibly strong and solves most of clara's problems, do not regret pull.

[@illurian5616]

I went in hard on JQ's banner and do not regret it. He's made my Acheron even better, easily getting 40k in PF, and can be slotted in so many teams. I only see him getting better. Love the sussy fox.

[@redvelvetisbetter.1377]

tbh yunli is easily my favorite character to use. Her playstyle is sooooo fun and honestly pretty easy, and she does soooo much damage

[@LukeA471]

I love her so much

[@squirepengu]

Boothill is my go-to for Apocalyptic Shadow and MoC. Like... I know he can't do multi-target at all, but that's simply the trade-off for the massive damage he can cause against bosses and elites. Even on floors where there's more than one in AS or MoC, Gallagher and Harmony MC can pick up some of the slack. I remember when people would fiercely debate between him and Firefly over who is the best and I was sitting there like "oh boy! two cakes!" They're both excellent.

[@highwaytoheaven99]

Boothill is the most well spent pulls I've ever done, he's my favorite character now. The reason why people may think Feixiao or Firefly are better than him is exacly what you said in the video: he requires a little "warm up" before dishing out DPS, while Feixiao and Firefly can do it immediately. But once Boothill gets going, his damage is far greater than BOTH of them. I would know, I have all 3 and compared them on multiple ocasions. My Firefly deals around 250-300k single target with superbreak, Feifei deals around 260-280k on ult (both E0S0), meanwhile Boothill is dealing 500k+ constantly, and lets not forget the 80k+ bleed procs.

[@magla1238]

Reminder that most firefly owners (that ive seen atleast) have her at e2, so most of their vision on how op she is, is linked to her eidolons.

[@devilsadvocate9013]

It makes sense that boothill deals more damage than firefly to st enemies considering bros a hunt 💀

[@horizon8218]

Firefly and Boothill both do superbreak except one comes with AOE and survival utility as Destruction and the other focuses all damage into a powerful single target as a hunt. FeiXiao works very well off team mates in a FuA lineup. In the end each comes with their own benefits, and I think whoever it is that is better really is subjective and depends on each individual's taste.

[@xxartemisxx1982]

Are you for real? FF deals 200-300k MULTIPLE TIMES A CYCLE. Feixiao, too. BH cannot match that frequency ever. He literally requires a turn advancer like Bronya to even get like 1 more turn. You can do math, right?

[@Not_SARU]

alot of feixiaos teams power comes also from driving robin, her best supports, passive dmg. doesnt matter if your ult does 100k less when your skill in tradeoff sets off an attack chain works about the same ammount of dmg feixiao is less a hypercarry but instead especally in her best Team that being FART a driver that capitalizes on the way her team works charging her own nuke

[@snowfall1232]

I pulled boothill without regrets, firefly was only a “if I get lucky enough” I got her too, and while she’s great, I love boothill to bits

[@FeixiaoWaiter]

the playerbase prefer who is more popular, this will always be the case, whether this is to the detriment of the game’s variety of gameplay is irrelevant to many people’s awareness, until this game becomes Memorial Arena all over again and all we have to do by that point is eat up whatever the devs serve, regardless of whether we like that character or not (we have to or suffer massive score loss)

[@Not_SARU]

what course of action do you propose for that then i wounder Forcing people to pull for every character even though they arent interested in them is a roundabout way to get to the same result as forcing players to pull for every new unit because the devs got tired of people ignoring alot of releases

[@chadachi3970]

@@Not_SARU Think the point is no matter how good a character actually is, if the community doesn't hype them up they'll almost always be seen as mid. Firefly is seen as this god tier character when she's not even top 3, Boothill is memed on while being the strongest 2 cost damage nuke in the game. People hype up e0s0 Clara as good but e0s0 Yunli is "not worth" while she does x2-3 more damage than Clara. DHIL is hyped as a monster but he's only really great at e2. Jing Yuan is constantly being hyped up with "new JY buff!!!!" but he stays in the exact same spot every time, fine but not great lol That being said Jiaoqui is properly memed on, he is only bis for Acheron teams. Blade as well, Blade just sucks lol.

[@xenoemblem7]

​@@chadachi3970 Who said Firefly ain't tope 3 lol? She is.

[@Radiant450]

@@xenoemblem7 outside of the choir boss, her results are usually behind Yunli, BH and Fei and even Ratio sometimes.

[@chadachi3970]

@@xenoemblem7 Firefly isn’t even best character in current MoC and it’s designed around her, both Rappa and Himiko are better when played properly. Crazy thing is people are being insanely hard on Rappa being mid, but she’s legitimately better than Firefly because Firefly is mid in PF, she’s good in current AS and 3rd best on first side of current MoC. Who’s better in all 3? Rappa. Firefly’s issue is her ceiling is lower than Boothill but she’s not full AoE to make up for it, Rappa and Boothill are all you need in break dps to cover both ends with ST and AoE. This isn’t 1.4 anymore where blast characters are top tier, full AoE and ST characters are just better. She’s is not bad by any means, but Firefly is not a top 3 character.

[@shadowlibra5758]

8:23 personally i would rather call him a 5 star version of guinaifen because they both function exactly in the same way and both apply a vulnerability debuff against the enemy, also i can use him together with pela really good but because guinaifen pretty much does the same thing much less applicable i chose to go with def shed and vulnerability rather than only one of em

[@silverhawkscape2677]

I love Boothill. He's literally *So anyways I started Blasting.*

[@note5068]

Sometimes Just because the character its not the no.1 of a certain thing doesnt mean they are bad. I mean Ice March is the best 4 star preservation released since 1.0!!!

[@Hououin818]

I will never forgive Hoyo for giving Boothill absolutely nothing for his marketing while FF gets 3 trailers and a dating tour video call (seriously wtf is up with that Hoyo)

[@227someguy]

10:30 Being a sidegrade to Luocha shouldn’t be considered a bad thing.

[@Alastor-x]

Luocha is the worst limited sustain unit in the game. He is still good enough but being just a sidegrade to him is a bad thing nowadays.

[@AdamJorgensen]

I skipped Firefly for Boothill. No regrets, he's proven super fun and strong. Yunli was also a great pick-up, especially with ber Cone. I use her in a sustain- less team with Robin, Topaz and Feixiao. Build her as a tank, put her on the outer edge and watch the enemies evaporate. Previous MoC 12 wirh this team was effective and fast clearing, although it took 3 or 4 tries to work out when to use her ult. Fun and strategic team to play.

[@mubrek236]

"Legend says there is no 'Bad Choice'.Only shortage of thy fortune."

[@mubrek236]

Why are both Phys counter attackers bare foot children?

[@wongo6828]

Special mention to the hypocrisy that is the Jade doomposting. People called her a trash unit just because she's only good for Pure Fiction. Yet most single-target DPS are bad in Pure Fiction so with that logic, if we're only calling an AOE DPS trash for being good in one game mode that's centered around AOE damage then shouldn't single-target DPS be called trash if they're only good for boss clears like in Apoc Shadow. Let Jade be the queen of Pure Fiction. Period.

[@wolfypax1892]

The reason why pure fiction is prioritized less over MOC and AS to an extent is because we already get two accessible units, that being herta and himeko who can already brute force clear PF with 40k points. Plus PF is just way easier compared to the other two gamemodes

[@tyran8165]

How often are characters good in apoc and not good in moc?

[@wongo6828]

​@@wolfypax1892No, the point was that Jade is only good in Pure Fiction and that's a bad thing? I wasn't talking about priority or accessibility.

[@DT-yw4ob]

@@tyran8165 basically never. Only Argenti comes to mind since in AS there's often enough minions to make his aoe relevant and the free energy charges his double ultimate fully.

[@wongo6828]

​@@tyran8165What I meant was that single-target DPS are usually better in boss fights because it's just one enemy and 3 minions and one side of Apoc Shadow is like that like the Aventurine and Kafka boss fight.

[@ES21007]

I think the reason doompost on these games is defense mechanism. If they can see that a character isn't worth spending on, they can be more secure in safeguarding their pull resources. Gacha games are probably the only genre where I can see these kinds of arguments have any relevance at all, because you're spending much more money and time on these characters.

[@darkwolf9637]

My absolute favorite part of the hsr community is when during leaks everyone is saying "this is the worst unit ever" then as soon as they actually release "this is ridiculously op how did this get released" the most recent example i saw was feixiao. Every single comment on leaked gameplay videos was saying how awful she was and her stack generation was way too slow

[@noahi.1381]

More often than not it's also cuz the leakers also kinda suck at playing around the gimmicks, even at V3 beta testing 😂

[@NepSpookie]

I mean she was bad, her first kit was that she did a single attack for every stack she had until 0 (instead of only using 6 stacks) and ulting before 12 stacks was not a good choice, and getting to 12 stacks takes way to long

[@Ocacadordecasadas]

And then there is the oposite with JQ,peopoe saying he was busted,just to say he sucks when he releases

[@Keyboard3939]

@@Ocacadordecasadas He was getting doom posted the second his gameplay leaks were out wdym? He didn't really have any peace in his whole development except maybe when he wasnt even revealed yet

[@MrMoros1]

If we're being honest about some of these characters, they aren't bad at all, they can even function extremely well. They just so happen to be either overshadowed (Boothill) or there's a budget option (Yunli has Clara, Jiaoqi has Pela and Lingsha has Gallagher). That does NOT make them bad. I got very luck with my Pulls, so I got myself an E0S1 Boothill, Yunli AND Jiaoqiu, and they work INCREDIBLY well. Boothill might be single target, but under the right conditions he's probably THE most damaging Hunt character in the game, probably even more than Feixiao. He's been a LIFESAVER in Apocalyptic Shadow because his Enhanced Basic Attack shreds through a Weakness Broken Boss' HP like nothing else. He doesn't even really need Harmony Trailblazer for it, though the certainly kicks his damage numbers into overdrive. Yunli is just as good. In an FuA team she can dish out HUGE amounts of damage with her Ultimate and clever play can leave her Ultimate with a near permanent uptime. When Hoolay comes around in MoC she's the VIP, she counters him perfectly and she's the best possible choice for enemies that can put out multiple attacks in a turn because she can hit back multiple times. And with her Signature Light Cone and the right Artifacts, those hits will HURT. Jiaoqiu I haven't used as much, I'm still working on building his Artifacts, but the sheer extra damage he provides to Ultimate based DPS characters like Acheron and Feixiao can't be underestimated. His DoT damage might be a bit lacking compared to others, but that's secondary to the boosts he provides.

[@kennethyoung7457]

HSR just have issues lol we just need to come out and say it like it is. The powercreep is so bad that some 1.x limited dps are doing less dmg than support characters like Harmony MC and Robin. Other gachas buff their characters when they are that bad and not the you need to pull new limited character to get a buff. I don't blame people for not pulling "mid" characters because on top of powercreep we have straight up favoritism with who can actually use the "buffs" that release and who just gets further powercrept and countered by the enemy design.

[@shutup1037]

This game is just showcase of characters that has been released lol. Certain limited character is hard countered against certain enemies and so on. None of the boss is a proper wall or anything, that's why they put cycle limit on the game. Because simply the boss and mini boss design arent hard enough

[@homabasiri2218]

2:25 ‘Archon’ 💀

[@GorgeousGirlGenius]

Boothill can do what other breakers can't: do shit load of damage without relying on Super Break. He is that broken even with only 4* or 3* Lightcones equipped. And this is why we won't be seeing Physical Breakers or Physical Breaker Supports/Relics any time soon...

[@kairos-049]

E2S1 boothill is one of the best characters I’ve ever invested in tbh, he completely trivializes MoC 12 and Apoc Shadow

[@dr.strange1300]

E1S1 Jiaoqiu is literally ridiculously powerful and can EASILY slot in to replace most buffers/debuffers in pretty much every team imaginable. Even on my break teams Jiaoqiu is just stupid good. Such a shame how he was so doomposted

[@apachers2807]

I agree that it's sucks he got doomposted and he's pretty good. But comparing E1S1 Jiaoqiu to E0 harmony supports is not really fair. For the same amount of investment/pulls E1S1 RM and E1S1 Robin would still be way better than Jiaoqiu in increasing overall team dmg outside of Acheron teams.

[@dr.strange1300]

@apachers2807 Why not both? It's the same argument all the time, people always assume you run either Jiaoqiu OR a harmony. I never understood this, why not just run both of them together? Jiaoqiu WITH a harmony is literally the best setup for pretty much any team including break. Even better if your harmony units have some eidolons and their LC as well (as they should, who tf pulls e0s0 harmony units? Lmao)

[@apachers2807]

@@dr.strange1300 Sure you can do that. But you said "replace".

[@27Ganon]

@@dr.strange1300 Because more Harmony and Nihility units will come out very soon that are likely to be even better with eidolons (e.g. the 2.6 units), better deal to save for them

[@Mads-nb3cu]

I love s1 Jiaoqiu even with no acheron. He's really good with feixiao for more damage, i love him in a superbreak team with himeko for PF where shes built to ult a lot with argenti lc, and of course with dr ratio too. Getting jiaoqiu single handedly allowed me to full clear all of the modes in the game which had previously been a struggle even with being a day one player (because i didn't pull for many meta characters)

[@ars-br1ms]

unironically, my yunli clears content much faster than acheron, she does about 250k per counter which is more than enough to clear all content with tingyun and huohuo, but most importantly imo she's very fun to play because you have to time your ult just before getting hit, yeah it's a pain in the ass but it's hella satisfying to proc it

[@MelficeCyrum]

I always considered Lingsha a "luxury". Like if you have a properly built and leveled Gallagher, you don't *need* Lingsha. But if you say, only have one due to the character selector, or you just got super unlucky and don't have him at all? She's amazing! Even at E0!

[@Ocacadordecasadas]

Arlan is the best lighting destruction in the game,and i am tired to pretend otherwise

[@mohdafnanazmi1674]

Ohhhh, that's too funny because it's not wrong because he is the only lightning destruction character. But then again i haven't played Arlan as I just got him recently so it could be seriously true.

[@Darkkefka]

I use Yunli all the time and she's crazy good.

[@liamdeezn]

Tbh I only rolled Boothill because funny Florida man swearing with guns but still he's good

[@horizon8218]

More often it just feels like there are those who cant get a character they want either because f2p, or lack of funds find points from a character to doompost just to convince themselves they are making the better choice skipping.

[@sadcatto3]

Yeah it's just people's way to cope. Mark my words Rappa will be an amazing unit.

[@dubiouslobo9190]

I would pull for Lingsha as she is still around as of me making this comment. But i need to prioritize getting Acheron and Aventurine's light cones in the next patch and then save up for Tingyun Side note, Starforce OST is goated

[@camilagames218]

Boothill is so good, I'm so mad people don't give him a chance like- firefly is ok at Best for me, but boothill??? He is good not only in memory of chaos against the bosses but also the simulated universes, It's ridiculous how hard he hits.... But if hoyo wants to buff him sense nobody plays him I'm not complaining

[@Ealdor-Bana]

I wouldn’t say characters are bad but i hate those KZbin videos that say every upcoming character is OP or broken. It’s like a joke now when a KZbinr says the new character is op and a must pull. It’s this oversaturated narrative that will make fans walk away from the game.

[@Nokyyyyy]

Yunli is so broken, she just bashes the enemy until it dies

[@xeranius_]

I think the main thing people forget with Lingsha and Gallagher is that if you have E0 Firefly, Gallagher has potential to come out on top because of the extra SP generation

[@wolfypax1892]

As a E0s0 firefly main, as long as you know your rotation you dont really run into sp issues with lingsha

[@dr.stonksakahelth5857]

Lingsha is better than Gallagher, period. Why can't people just accept that a limited 5 star is better than a 4 star?

[@xeranius_]

@@wolfypax1892 Well of course, but I mostly mean that you have more potential for spamming HMC's skill and ultimate with Gallagher. I haven't seen the actual math on it but I feel like there's potential for that to come out on top damage wise. Even if not though, it would be close and that's pretty impressive for a 4 star. I didn't pull LIngsha because of that and to save resources

[@soep19]

Plus, you don't actually need to use her skill that many in a fight. She already got her bunny out if you use her tech before the fight, so the SP argument immediately got thrown out the window.

[@wolfypax1892]

@@xeranius_ yeah actually thats the only downside for lingsha. I almost never skill with hmc but my hmc does pretty low dmg anyways (my relics on him are shit) so im happy with lingshas 400k nukes

[@branbot3000]

Who is saying Boothill is weak? I'm pretty sure everyone following HSR's meta understands that he is one of the strongest single-target DPS's and is the king of Apocalyptic Shadow. I've used Boothill to clear every MOC and AS since his release.

[@loonastrawberry]

I didn't pull for Robin and Robin cause I wanted Boothill with his signature sm. I don't regret it. He's A MONSTER. If i see bosses with physical damage weakness, I know they're gonna be dead in next minute. He helped me so many times.

[@justnubz]

I think what killed the hype or makes them "misunderstood" of most of these characters can be summoned up into two reasons: 1. Some of the new characters have a similar kit or identity as someone previously (examples being Swan and Sampo or Gal and Lingsha) they essentially have similar mechanics/elements/paths that ultimately makes the new units a "2.0" version of the older units. 2. When hoyo drip markets new units for the next version, they unintentionally downplay the soon to be released units (examples being Rappa and Boothill with Sunday/Tingyun and Firefly/jade). Or it could be a combination of the two reasons Either way, hoyo has to make the money, and they'll do it anyway they can whether thru marketing/gameplay/or even rerun banners.

[@powwowken2760]

There is no such thing as "git gud" in HSR, team comps are everything and if I can't drastically improve one of my team comps with a particular character, or create an entirely new comp that matches what I already have, then they're irrelevant regardless of what they might have to offer because there's no mode that requires more than 2 teams. Fore example: As an Acheron enjoyer, Foxboy might've been the most frustratingly required pull I've ever encountered in a Gacha game. I have no idea how "strong" he really is because it genuinely doesn't matter, he stacks Acheron Ult so fast that I can run her with Atk boots for basically no penalty... He's just an Acheron battery and that's all he will ever be to me.

[@thomasdean8047]

There certainly is "git gud" There are lots of mirco decisions you can make in combat to improve your runs in MoC, and there is plenty of skill in the teambuilding portion, it goes beyond, "I got lucky and got good characters"

[@kurimiaisukurimu]

I skipped Jiaoqiu and my Acheron team is still one of my best

[@archieprime]

​@@thomasdean8047it's less "get good" and more "don't be fucking retarded"

[@asteriskonline3494]

​@@thomasdean8047 yeah, like reset run if you die, or reset run if you don't crit. Amazing Macro. Dude. We know HSR and we love it for what it is.

[@asteriskonline3494]

​@@thomasdean8047 yeah, like reset run if you die. or reset run if you don't crit 😉

[@christionmajors7688]

I absolutely don't regret pulling Boothill, his e1 and LC. Hes super fun to use and satisfying asf with his break.

[@heatlybeats1186]

Of course,, powercreeping characters has always been a specialty of Hoyoverse, what's new??

[@kison7715]

@@heatlybeats1186 tell that to genshin players who still in the believe their game is immune to a powercreep lol

[@davemoon2034]

@@kison7715 yeah because genshin impact combat its more worked,better and complex

[@TheJH1015]

​@@kison7715It literally took the game over 3 years to actually have tangible powercreep in DPS characters. And then we got characters that buffed old characters to the point they were pretty decent again compared to those powercreepers. Genshin does a LOT better.

[@SuperKevinho1]

No when Genshin exists

[@kison7715]

@@TheJH1015 eh true. i forgot that game is way too casual to be affected by powercreep, and lacks powercapping contents

[@Venitas751]

100% agree with lingsha. I'm new the the game and had Gallagher from a random pull and figured she was a slight upgrade. Incidentally started wishing on her warp cause i snagged topaz and her lc already so i figured why not. needed more sustains anyway cause lynx is a bit middling atm. I'm so happy i got her. The cleanse and emergency heals are incredible and she does a buttload of dmg on my scuffed break teams. well worth the upgrade

[@pulledporc5334]

I think with Lingsha, a lot of people already have gallegher built and he works good enough on a team that is already very strong, so it can feel like a waste to pull for her. That being said, she is objectively much better in all ways except sp generation and people need to stop pretending she's not just bc they dont want her for their account.

[@sammysaito529]

Gallagher generate a metric fck ton of SP, that means E0 Firefly can spam skill, Kafkaswan can both spam skill, DanIL can spam fully enhanced basic, etc… Gallagher also generate a metric fck ton of energy, that means near permanent Robin concerto uptime, Firefly only needing to skill once to immediately gets her ult back, Tingyun gets even more energy to funnel into any hypercarry, etc… Gallagher also applies two different debuff on quick secession meaning he can better maintain Ratio’s FuA chances and give more stack to Acheron Can Lingsha do any of that? No I don’t think so, she’s a good unit but she’s no Gallagher upgrade

[@pulledporc5334]

@@sammysaito529 Lingsha heals more, does more personal damage, does more toughness damage which leads to more break damage and faster breaks, has a team wide auto cleanse and her ult debuffs for a higher percent than Gallagher. Gallagher is still an amazing unit and Lingsha is by no means a meta defining or necessary unit, but for those looking to vertically invest in Super Break teams she is a big upgrade in terms of damage and QoL (from the cleanse/healing). The definition of a luxury unit. No one needs her to make a team come online, but a nice upgrade for those that do get her.

[@TheJH1015]

​@@sammysaito529@sammysaito529 You don't use Lingsha in DoT, you don't use Lingsha in DHIL teams. The ONLY characters 'generating energy' are Tingyun and Huohuo, Not a single other does, unless you mean through Quid Pro Quo in which case Lingsha can do it just as well as Gallagher. Gallagher needs eidolons to even be ABLE to cleanse, and he can only do so on skill use on ONE ally, Lingsha does it for free in base kit TEAMWIDE multiple times in a row if you time your actions right. Lingsha beats the snot out of anything Gallagher does, quit your coping and accept reality.

[@blueraine21]

@@sammysaito529 The only relevant point in your argument is for FF and Robin, the rest of unit is irrelevant on current meta... ALL TOP 10-20 teams are mostly FUA/Break in Global or CN, even Ratio usage rate is less than 10% and he is FUA. Many ppl already said this, E6 Gallagher ONLY edge against E0 Lingsha is SP generation and QPQ, thats it... Even then its not like Lingsha CANT use QPQ, she can. E6 Gallagher is already at peak while E0 Lingsha is just base power.. At E1 you might as well put Gallagher in trashbin. SP generation on a well invested team (E1+) is not an issue especially on FF/Feixiao team since FF skill doesnt consume SP and Feixiao F2P March/Moze generates so much SP already..

[@antiserenity666]

still the happiest day one E0S1 Boothill enjoyer who skipped FF. My man carries me through both AP and MOC with no issues, I love my silly space cowboy, no waifu will ever beat him in my eyes.

[@Lofarzel31]

Off topic but I remember everyone on the subreddit "doomposting" Xilonen to gaslight the devs to not nerf her and look what happened now.

[@m.s.9592]

What happened to her? I skipped her to get the last con for my ZL and pick up a few other units so I'm not totally sure what’s up with her

[@TheJH1015]

​@@m.s.9592her Constellation 2 buffs were already good... and they ended up INCREASING the buffs.

[@m.s.9592]

@@TheJH1015 holy shit lol That’s incredible, congrats to all the xilo wanters

[@stormpony918]

I saw the thumbnail and saw yunli who i pulled on a single 1pull and well after building her and i actually need to replace 2 to 3 pieces of her set and um even with her current pieces she big bonk smashes everything the game throws at her that includes physical resistant enamys and jade well i just love jade and shes better at e0 now that lingsha exists

[@KalarMeadia]

A few points for the video: (Warning, I type a lot.) Boothill: If anything, I'd say Boothill is overdefended, rather than undervalued. I have the character. I realize he can melt bosses - in the right cirucmstances. The difference here is that the top popularity can melt bosses in *most* circumstances. And in a game that imposes versitility and longevity as top values, a specalist loses that value. Boothill is a 'don't miss out' pull when it comes to anyone investing in break teams. I would not consider him on the same level as Firefly due to the ease of use and versitility differences. It comes down to this: You don't really desire boothill if you have Firefly. But if you have Boothill, Firefly is still a good pick. Still the way Boohill melts bosses isn't dependant on superbreak, and still preforms well even on very low investment. That's a testimate to his raw power. And in situations where you just need raw power, he will follow through for you. All that said, Boothill is still one of highest defended characters in the game when it comes to the populace, to the point of attacking Firefly as character outright. If Firefly is the sweetheart popular character that shares the leads on the usage board - Boothill is the "Um, Ackshually" popular pick by HSR hipsters who want to seem 'more correct' than popular. Boothill is an incredible character that hammers down the single target role in Break Teams - and he will be immensely more powerful to an account the moment we get a second Superbreak Support. If you have him, you don't and won't regret it. If you don't have him, consider picking him up in the future if Break Teams is your primary meta - as it will inevitably be expanding. Yunli: I actually diddn't hear much bad about Yunli. She's a great character, and a good AoE Pick for physical. She can outpreform Argenti in the multi-target field with active enemies, and she's proving a hard counter to Hoolay in MOC right now. Physical DPS seem to be trending to being flexible for multiple composition types (Break, Hyperarry, FUA for Yunli and Clara) and Yunli sits comfortable in a position of power in that field. She hads a ton of flexibility to an account if you have her and I haven't heard much to disway that. Jiaoqiu This one is definatly underreated. Like Lingsha when people were making comparisons between her and her four-star equivilent (Gallagher) Jiaoqiu begins, where Pela crests. Meaning the more you invest, the better you get out of him. At E2, he doesn't have the issues of fitting in a DOT team as described, unless you absoutely need a Harmony/Turn Advance character to get your turn competions. (Harder in 0-cycle races, but people forget that 0-cycle is purely bragging rights and is not an indication of power of character rather than longevity.) For that break team mention, he becomes applicable as a member of a secondary break team, again, if you don't need turn-advancing. (Right now Turn advancement is pretty broken so that's a major inhibitor for many team compositions.) In the end, good unit overall, especially with higher advancement - but gets shoved by your turn-order buffers. Might be really good for more ult base characters if we get another turn-advance support that also supports energy production. Lingsha Lingha doesn't need defending, her kits stands heads and shoulders above Gallagher in pratical applications. You pick Gallagher for Break Teams, and MAYBE if you need someome to fill as a healer spot that adds debuffs for an Acheron team. Lingsha does all that, better, with the ability to be both a pet character (that will likely get attention in the future) and a follow up character (which already has plenty of support.) She plays as the best healer-based Follow up Sustain, and second overall behind Aventurine. Get her, build her, you won't regret it. Her E1 Alone turns her into a third harmony character. To be blunt. The narrative of how Meta is figured in this community is kinda wrong and has been wrong for a while. It seems to be objective (PF, AS, MOC) based rather than win-condition based which can really screw with a new player that doesn't realize they could win with what they have if they play to their win conditions better. (Elemetal Synergy, Team Synergy, Stat Stacking and Meta styles such as Break, FUA.) Rather than just chasing what's being told as powerful. We need to be more focused on what's good where and if that Meta is in a healty state to invest further in, rather than picking out character by character in isolation.

[@minkisbalinkis]

what exactly are the circumstances boothill cant melt bosses in? is it the circumstances in which you fight gepard or sam in moc because they can go weakness immune? cause he can still 0 cycle them, and those issues would still affect any other break dps. id say him being defended so much is warranted, i still dont think theres been a stronger character than him thats been viewed as unable to compete with his competition, despite being able to match or excel them in most categories. and about the whole attacking firefly thing, it was a two way street. people from both camps were on eachothers heads. though, a lot of the sentiment towards boothill began because people wanted firefly to drop in 2.2, not him, which drove people to be dismissive and downplay him.

[@Ocacadordecasadas]

​@@minkisbalinkis"Cause he can 0 cycle" yeah he can,but no consistent all the time

[@minkisbalinkis]

@@Ocacadordecasadas he's one of the most consistent characters when it comes to 0 cycling we've gotten so far. he's able to pull it off at various levels of investment, even able to run through moc 12 without a lightcone. even after hoolay dropped, he's still in the upper echelon of cost score for 0 cycling, if I remember right he was just behind feixiao in that regard.

[@Kindi001]

Yea i pull Yunli and Firefly, so i dont really feel how good Boothill is in my acc if i ever pull him. If for long term acc investment i better pull Jade, or JQ for Acheron. Just to smoth my experience for PF. Also the reason i pull Yunli is i never get Clara and everytime physical weakness appear on PF i just facepalm and swear to the dev. glad Yunli manage that side for me.

[@UltimatePollo3495]

​​@@minkisbalinkisno ot all came from when bh had a way to do super break dmg whereas at that time ff didn't have an ounce of super break dmg in her kit except form gmc that where it all started

[@Wsio.]

Yunli is also pretty nuts in DU since she benefits GREATLY from 3 blessing paths (Elation, Destruction, and Erudition) and she also has a good variety of weighted curios like the one where you heal whenever you deal ult dmg which makes the entire team unkillable as long as it's not a one shot, she also benefits in a lot of equations like the revenge equation etc.

[@aetherhae]

Agree 100% I think it goes the other way too. Sometimes the community hype around a character ignores their weaknesses too much, and makes them seem like must pulls. Example: Imbibitor Lunae. I love him, he's my favorite DPS in the game. But his SP useage is a real struggle. He's very broken with the right supports but... people just labeled him as T0 with the most OP kit. But over time, he has lowered in Community Perception because people are realizing how hard he is to play without Sparkle or an insanely fast Bronya. Excellent video Vars. Would love if you could make one about the topic I just mentioned, as well.

[@digital-underworld]

I've said it before and I'll say it again Topaz is to Follow-Up what Kafka is to DoT. Kafka gets better the more DoT effects you have, likewise Topaz gets better the more Follow-Ups you can trigger

[@HunterOmbrégal]

I've always wanted boothill...now I want him more

[@bloonbrawler9872]

Me too, let wanter be havers

[@xtoxic_hycee]

when Boothill hit that first Jojo pose in his character trial it was an insta pull for me 💀 i was kinda playing off and on at the time and ever since I’d gotten him, I’ve been committed to HSR. He and Jiaoqiu will always be my favorites ❤️

[@villecor8765]

Jiaoqiu is not misunderstud. Before his nerfs he was an incredible unit and that's why people doom posted him and that's totally fine

[@bloonbrawler9872]

I see great potential in him, his vulnerability is very strong

[@Sansrival1113]

But Jiaoqiu IS a misunderstood unit. He has one advantage that other debuffers don't; debuff uptime. Whenever a new wave of enemies arrive, his ult can carry over his vulnerability debuff from the previous enemies. Silver Wolf and Pela? When you use their ult on the previous wave, you don't immediately have their debuffs up. Guinaifen? Takes ages to stack her vulnerability debuff. People often tend to overlook this aspect of his kit.

[@27Ganon]

@@Sansrival1113 Or just run wind set Pela with 168 spd (158 with RM) and time your ults. JQ is still significantly better for Acheron (unless you're using E2 Sparkle), but that's pretty much his only use case if you know what you're doing with Pela. SW gets her ult much slower than Pela (Pela regens her ult faster than anyone in the game), they shouldn't be put in the same bucket here.

[@fbgjvgn5979]

​@@Sansrival1113people aren't overlooking anything In a game where there are so many units you can only afford to pull some JQ is not bad he's just good. And him just being good is the problem. Characters need to be busted/relevant in meta somehow to be popular.. when compared to other supports. In terms of investment he's really not worth it. As. I said just being good isn't enough the units have to be busted if they want to be relevant in the game for a long time.

[@fbgjvgn5979]

​@@Sansrival1113Unfortunately the more meta the character is, the more willing people are to understand the character.

[@wurffl]

As someone that pulled for Boothill without having Ruan mei and Jiaoqui without acheron, I deeply appreciate this video telling me I don't have to regret my choises :D

[@KittyNatiquinha]

I will NEVER betray my girl Clara for that CRAPPY COPYCAT!! CLARA SUPREMACY!!!

[@ShinyJarachi]

Based

[@zoey9502]

I was building pity for sparkle in 2.4 and I went to far into pity and got yunli I was so made at her that I didn’t bother to build her then I built her and realized she was a busted unit she helped me beat the swarm king(justice for firefly) which is a boss I’ve been struggling to beat for months and she helped me three star in moc so yeah she’s very misunderstood in the meta and I didn’t even have Clara when I got her and the sad part is I lost my 5050 for sparkle to Clara like are you kidding me

[@Gration_]

Unlike every other character on this list, Boothill is literally the only one with a fan base that will have you believe they perform heart surgery in a game where you're just matching shapes, and in a couple cases, can just put whatever you want, where you want. Boothill and Seele mains are the worst of the worst of the player base, and they hilariously, and unsurprisingly, overlap a ton. Everyone else is braindead because you just shoved 8 turns into a character and pressed E, or decided to take far more time in a mode to show that pulling them wasn't a bad choice if you dedicate 3x the time everyone else did. Should also make a video about the controversy of Eidolons, because despite you wanting to make characters stronger, and vertical investment being a real thing like with Robin's rerun, everyone and their mother will shame you or try to invalidate Eidolons, even if you just got lucky when pulling. Got E2 of ANYTHING, even if it was completely F2P? Who cares, anything above E0 doesn't matter.

[@Radiant450]

I mean really now? BH was really screwed over by Hoyo (and in favor of FF sometimes) so its only natural his fans are on edge, and lets not forget the historied drama between the two mains but I personally think both are in the wrong for sure. BH isn't the most complex unit ever, he is just needs a functioning brain instead of spamming your skill or ult off cooldown like with most units, that's the only difference. BH was also REALLY undervalued by streamers and such so everyone turbo slept on him and of course he basically appeared in the story all of a sudden so not enough time to fully fledge him out, so again slept on even in combat despite his fans knowing how strong and effective he actually is and then when they try to say so, it was met with "FF better" or "why BH when I can use FF" OR (my personal favorite, which is just hunt slander altogether) "AoE is better in this game and investing in Hunt is always a bad decision"

[@Gration_]

@@Radiant450 No one cares if their feelings are hurt. Everyone's been giving JY and DHIL flack to hell and back forever, but their fanbases don't act like they're some galaxy brained incels who nut every time do anything. It takes no more skill than anyone else, considering he also does nothing but spam E, and just uses Bronya to do it more, to do anything he does. On top of that, on the FF point, she just....is. She does every mode, just like Acheron. Also, Hoyo screws every character over. People are saying Acheron isn't T0 because this 2nd half of MoC and the turbulence isn't great for her, and no one is acting like the sky is falling. They deserve ALL the hate they get.

[@escadora2206]

bruh all characters on the thumbnail i know are amazing. I didn't get them cause i fully committed to the characters i wanted, but i know they are great!!!

[@phoenixlau]

They are not misunderstood, it's just that F2P income is vastly outpaced by the release of new characters so de facto some of those characters will get skipped out of necessity. Are you telling me people skipping Boothill for Firefly "misunderstood" his kit? Are you telling me people skipping Yunli for Feixiao "misunderstood" her kit? Are you telling me people skipping Lingsha for Sunday/SSJ Tingyun "misunderstood" her kit? No, there are no misunderstandings here, there is only higher priority with limited resources.

[@vkim3149]

K

[@IDestroyStuff]

I think my only personal complaint with Boothill is that he is single target. And while he more than certainly makes up for it in his ability to output MASSIVE damage, HSR has been progressively incentivizing more and more blast clearing units. Even Apocalyptic Shadow has additional things to hit, and that was intended to be the single target mode.

[@jamin3131]

Hoyo characters that are side story characters or have no story build up and just pop up. Like boothill and rappa always feel like they dont get the best chance. Personally i wasnt very invested when the wardance story line first dropped and just completed it at the end of the patch so the characters weren't that "important" until it was too late for me.