Why Hypercarry Units Are Struggling | Honkai: Star Rail

[@VarsII]

On the seventh day, He rested.

[@PERIPOXAMV]

Yeah, let's pretend we all don't know... But besides that, answering your question, if hypercarries or else: "Depends". Depends on what? *On which kind of characters the Fate collab will be* 113 days have passed ever since they made the 1st official announcement. Not a single pull spent. I have to get them all, E6S1, **whaling for once if neccesary** Althought, 7th day may be a good support for their kind, if rumors are true

[@RaikamiX]

On the eight day, he brought hypercarry back

[@ibrahim5463]

Making a video about hypercarries fall off right before the best hyper carry support comes out is diabolocal move

[@ulrikruby]

@@RaikamiX I don’t need him to bring anything back. My E2S1 Imbibitor Lunae is doing quite fine already.

[@RaikamiX]

@@ulrikruby i'll see you in 3.x

[@agzane268]

me finally saving enough to get a good dps: wow i can't wait for acheron rerun! Vars II:

[@zy2239]

She still goated… specially E6

[@Accountthatexists]

​@@zy2239"especially e6"💀💀 is certainly a sentence

[@spoons2275]

Yeah she’s still insane at all 3 end games

[@Accountthatexists]

Ngl, main reason to pull acheron nowadays......is time saving in DU/SU weeklies with the teqnuique

[@Glizzyman]

I mean shes still amazing tbf, especially if you have jiaoqui

[@Hououin818]

>Hoyo doesn't develop hypercarry because they don't want players to brute force content >Give 2.x dps weakness ignore/implants to let them brute force all content

[@wastelandking]

I think it makes sense with break DPS, since much of their damage is on break and when the enemy is in the break state, so breaking the enemy as fast as possible is a necessity with them. However, even if a character can do toughness damage regardless of enemy weakness, keep in mind that type res can still reduce the damage the enemy takes from that specific element. Try brute forcing Hoolay with Acheron, for instance. Not exactly a fun time.

[@nightshrine4257]

Except they never said that

[@starpoint27]

All hoyo wants is money. Anything goes as long as they get paid lmao

[@heroes8844]

hypercarry dont brute force content, sustaineless team does. The game is broken, sustain unit make obsolete. Now support can even do damage without dps, who cares about dps anymore

[@zakariamimouni279]

the timing of this video is diabolical XD

[@Disappointed_Rover]

Imma be honest . Im not watching Vars videos for contents . But for ASMR and so that I can sleep easily . Now it is 1:00 morning in my country

[@LiterallyAna]

Good Night and Sleep Well

[@stxrryd]

Goodnight bro

[@jackjohnson8305]

I watch him to get irritated

[@sizwenhari411]

😂😂😭​@@jackjohnson8305

[@sizwenhari411]

​@LiterallyAna This made me smile, if you pulling on Acherons banner. All the 👌

[@juliogomez2534]

In my eyes the problem is the focus, they dedicated the entirety of 2.x in break and fua leaving behind the rest to dry. People can argue about Black Swan and Hanabi but both released in 2.0 and have been the last each of those comps ever received. They needed to make releases more varied to have the 1.x units still feel relevant at this point cause currently it feels like each year they are gonna release a new engine with a new set of units that you have to get in order to keep up with the game. Sure you can clear with anything you have but there's a difference between clearing and enjoying it. At the rate we are going investing in dps seems like a massive waste of resources moving into 3.0

[@mihacimpric745]

This is a trend in Honkai tbh. Impact 3rd has that but on steroids. Every few months the old units will be completely eclipsed.

[@blursedpasta7718]

its same old introduce a problem and sell a solution

[@aaronscott7467]

I think the issue is more the lack of supports. An indirect buff such as through supports or items being added go much further than they would probably think, since there have only been something like 5 supports added since version 1. (Robin, sparkle, HMC, jiaoqiu, and Ruan mei. Correct me if I missed any.)

[@Pneuhmonia]

Who is hanabi?

[@dmar3651]

@@Pneuhmonia Sparkle's name in Japanese.

[@bigbabydoodle]

I feel like a good idea is that instead of just making the enemies HP increased, they could add other mechanics to make it harder? i feel like that would make previous Dps more used

[@mauriciorosademoraes9209]

They try to do this mechanics but Hoyo fails almost everytime. Only Apoc they have success. Ex in MoC: - To kill Aventurine you need to win in the dice game to massively improves you team damage. For this you needed destruction units or a multiple attack + action advance or boosting speed units in the team to get more chances of rolling the dice. Reality: Just freeze or delay him or just break him with Boothill = dead - Something... you gonna need to sacrifice your units and make later in the battle revive them with attacks and turns. Reality = Free HP regain and free ultimate charge because it's easy to revive units and makes no advantage for the boss, even hunt units can revive allies fast. - Sam. Makes healers a must and heavily penalties the use of skill points. After usinf certain amount of skill points, Sam get overheated and becomes a easy target for some time and enters in break state. Reality: Does no damage to shield, just spam skill points. When breaking which with Break units is fast Sam receives the same effects as using certain amount skill points. Ruan Mei makes Sam get up 1,5 cycle after, sufficient time to kill him.

[@bigbabydoodle]

@@mauriciorosademoraes9209 yea honestly they could try and make it harder to do specific things which make it that you have to be more strategic and can’t just use a character to easily overcome the obstacle but hoping they listen (i doubt it)

[@TheJH1015]

@@mauriciorosademoraes9209 yeah it surprised me how well my Sushang actually did against A.S. Aventurine. She's great for toughness shredding and then proceeding to bash in the enemy's head xD But then you try to use her in MoC and... well it suddenly becomes a LOT harder.

[@mauriciorosademoraes9209]

@@TheJH1015 you can still kill him abusing by using Super Break Sushang if you have Moze's LC. Physical DoT Break can cause a ridiculous amount of damage combining diverse debuffs on enemies and BE% in a character and Physical break damage is stupidy strong ans she can at least cause 120k per skill with E1 Ruan Mei, idk E0, S1 doesn't affect Break so whatever. Considering it's a Sushang E6 + Moze's LC, you can get over than 200+ SPD. I gonna check it. But the idea is abandon Sushang's base kit and abuse her element and break + speed eidolons to cause higher damage. Try Hybrid Super Break and fully super break builds. Atualization: Moze's lc S5 + Sushang E6 is needed 147 speed to get at least 200 speed in battle when attacking a broken state enemy.

[@xerael4659]

The main problem HSR has is that it tries to balance being a turn-based jRPG that usually reward grind and using a limited amount of options to the fullest and being a gacha that rewards investing money. People playing gachas and especially whales are often impatient, so Hoyo can't really make a fight that can't be brute forced to encourage players to roll for the new character that can sweep it, but at the same time those whales want to have an illusion of playing, not just one-shotting everything and you can achieve that either by adding extra health, defence, shields etc.. On the other hand dolphins and F2Ps, especially if they've played other jRPGs, want an interesting fight with a cool gimmick that they could use to beat it without having to pull. This puts Hoyo in a tough situation where they can't really appease both sides, so they usually choose the side that has money, since that's why they release their games after all.

[@MrcreeperDXD777]

Aint no way he posted this weeks before Sunday release

[@MrErdtree]

I mean, if you didn’t know Sunday was supporting a… mediocre niche, idk what to tell you.

[@nissonga6594]

​@@MrErdtree"mediocre niche" about the next big niche like Super Break and FUA for possible for a big part of the 3.x

[@handleloverkira]

​@@MrErdtreemediocre niché? Jing yuan got the 1.0 multipliers and he's out here outputing dmg of a t0.5 dps with sunday once we get more summon hyper carries this will change drastically

[@acuriousdumbass6230]

​@@MrErdtree mm dunno how much you've been keeping up w leaks. buuut there's a new summon system and path coming real soon. he's the rm of this patch. heralding a new developing meta w it's own powerhouses

[@Frallicus]

@@MrErdtree "mediocre niche" and its the most flexible character wise niche and is still viable just not meta

[@datzeusboi7784]

Someone else mentioned it, but I also think that the problem is focus and availability. They created Harmony MC for Firefly, and didn't even try to hide it. Then they created Hunt March and Moze for Feixiao. And all those characters are either free or 4 stars. If there was a 4 star version of Jiaoqiu, Acheron would probably last a lot longer in the meta. Another thing that could help would be characters with sub-dps kits like Hunt March and Jade. Although it wouldn't really be a hypercarry team but a dual dps team. I remember when people talked about Jingliu and Blade being a good pair for each other. People were also experimenting with Acheron and Welt, who does surprisingly decent damage.

[@weneedtocook958]

Acheron still have Pela, who's a 4 star, that still has great value even now with how her defense shred/debuff capabilities is just busted and have insane synergy with Jiaoqiu. That said, I kinda agree that they could try releasing a new upgraded version of Pela since she's 1.0 char, but I could see them not do that cause that could also make said character potentially redundant with kit similarities

[@TheJH1015]

yeah the fact that a high eidolon Moze actually RIVALS Topaz is... not a good sign.

[@kennethyoung7457]

4 star version of Jiaoqiu is basically Pela and Feixiao doesn't even need March or Moze since Topaz already existed and is better than them so its more of a budget option instead of an upgrade. Pela is basically as good as you are going to get with a 4 star support for Acheron she has a fast ult rotation and has good uptime on that 42% def shred because of that. Acheron just not as strong in single target(but still strong enough to beat them in 2-3 cycles at the moment for average player) as Feixiao or Firefly which is for balance purposes as she is full aoe. Acheron destroys shared hp bosses like Choir(yes its made for Firefly but Acheron can 0-1 cycle it easy too) Sunday or Banana boss and is better in Pure Fiction.

[@nyes4596]

Pela is good, what we need is an FuA debuffer which will literally make Acheron ult every turn

[@lesmoonwalker]

@@nyes4596 Please continue to cook.

[@JoeJones-t3s]

I say this on every vid but your background music chose is always amazing. Always got some nice Octopath or Fire Emblem song playing.

[@buttermanaws4693]

I'll be honest, i think its just numbers, more recent characters have better numbers and do more with those numbers, but the next true hypercarry is gonna have even better numbers and do even more so its less that hypercarries are dead and more that characters are just growing so much stronger so fast it looks like those "older" hypercarry units are worse

[@Dora8197]

Same with enemies hp and toughness inflation making it worse for older characters

[@jansolo4628]

That's quite the inefficient Boothill team at 1:43. Boothill Hypercarry uses Bronya and either uses Gallagher for SP printing (Lingsha doesn't provide enough SP) or goes sustainless with either HMC or Pela.

[@kwayke9]

And will definitely go sustainless with Fugue, because who needs healing when you have a forkillion damage

[@bem3760]

After long time waching Vars, I know that he always know the game states but always shit when it comes to actual game mechanic and team building. He's good at seeing bigger picture but completely suck about detail.

[@kwaakwoo]

Isn’t this up to the editors and not Vars since they edit the videos?

[@jansolo4628]

​@@kwaakwoo Vars mentions Boothill by name and implies HMC to be part of the team to be "dealing most of the damage".

[@alexsanderivan6511]

13:00 the subtle art of foreshadowing

[@beboparc2378]

5:48 foreshadowing the foreshadowing

[@polarroars68]

I feel the fact that hypercarries are getting power crept i got rappa and after like 2 hours of building her she did 800k dmg in apoc shadow my acheron’s highest is 350k

[@Accountthatexists]

Well apoc shadow ia a breakgamemode

[@ze7600]

because game modes have rotating themes.. since rappa is the latest character she would have the advantage on the buffs/ themes to make people incentive pulling for her

[@yulfine1688]

@@ze7600 rappa is also a break character her in a break team shreds very quickly even more so than firefly in some cases due to her kit, and with the buffs to fugue and so forth its likely you can run to strong break teams with firefly and hmc and then rappa and fugue, the only thing missing really comes down to having 2 ruan meis for support.

[@shutup1037]

Whoever have Ruan Mei and HMC in that mode as support, win honestly

[@Purpose214]

Well, Hoyo might release more enemies that can lock their toughness bar, like SAM and the Gorilla. Remains to be seen

[@polarroars68]

All jingliu and blade needs is a support that gives dmg based on team hp drain, energy battery, and a blast action advance

[@bananacat5327]

We definitely need a HSR Furina in which people get buffed through HP changes This would also drive abundance characters very high as well

[@ariesnightmareanime4594]

Let's hope that happens 3.? but concidering rememblance meta it most likely is to come 4.?. It would be fun to have team with 3 destruction characters plus hp recovery sustain. That would even change pull priority from harmony to other paths. That direction would make sales to rise even from reruns. Surely it will happen, right?

[@koroxo1152]

​@@ariesnightmareanime4594The first moths of a new version generally goes to older archetypes. Black swan and sparkle are from those times. Outside of 1 summoner there is supposedly a dot healer and a quantum harmony

[@giorgostrim3709]

I hope the vampire themed stoneheart will be this games Furina.

[@TheJH1015]

finally Arlan will climb out of the ditch

[@leonwoo]

In any game, not just genshin or hsr, but even mmos or basically anything with roles and team compositions, there has always been one constant with hypercarries: if you don't provide any utility to your team/group beyond raw damage output, then you better be the best at it.

[@666Kaca]

I think final fantasy record keeper and opera omnia did really well in this regard because certain units would get "affinity boost" due to being from the world that the event takes place in which made older characters viable. Lets say the equivalent of MoC occurred in FF9 universe and you have beatrix, even though she came out 6 years ago she could solo the content(and if she couldnt you would just put garnet in the party alongside her, the 3rd spot was irrelevant)

[@judeautheguy]

guys, just so you understand, he *LEGALLY* doesn't know anything about any future characters -with bird or fox like characteristics-

[@AsDerouxWoofWolf]

He can't know anything from unauthorized sneak peeks :c

[@WrongPerson-hq5dt]

Even if he did, the bird is for summons, which is a subset of fua, and the fox is for break

[@Emmerld]

​@@WrongPerson-hq5dtHonestly kind of funny to think about it, but Fugue is the first break support (kind of? She's part enabler part support?), and Sunday is the first legitimate FuA/Summon buffer (Topaz is more nihility, and she's a sub DPS anyways)

[@WrongPerson-hq5dt]

@@Emmerld I mean ruan mei and robin exist so I don't know what you are talking about.

[@Emmerld]

@@WrongPerson-hq5dt I forgot about RM, but Robin isn't really a FuA buffer only thing she provides is like 20 cdmg to them, Sunday directly makes the summons stronger and provides a Action Advance to them

[@armadiyoo]

dropping this before sunday THE hypercarry supp is wild vars lmaoo

[@jeffulloa218]

Anyone worthy of Sunday wouldnt care and pull for him regardless

[@Radiant450]

Tbf even with him the only unit whose position will shift greatly in the meta is Jing Yuan, everyone else got a decent upgrade over sparkle but not to the same degree JY did. So yeah even sunday won’t bring back DHIL and JL to be Feixiao level all of a sudden sadly (I would love seeing more 1.X dps be remembered).

[@armadiyoo]

@Radiant450 yeah i agree that feixiao is cracked asf and there’s no way any existing units reach her level. however, sunday’s gonna breathe some new life into the playstyle. i remember when my full build seele did a million dmg but now with how hard the enemies have become, she can’t keep up and sunday will help units like her still be viable with less investment

[@actualspiders]

Sunday isn't a hypercarry support, he's the summon/servant meta support. He's not that good on any hypercarry not named Jing Yuan, and that's because Jing Yuan isn't going to be a hypercarry anymore, he's a summon team DPS.

[@armadiyoo]

@actualspiders i think sunday has a case of the robin and ruan mei where they can be used in general situations but have parts of their kit that make them really shine in a specific niche (fua and break respectively). so yes sunday will be a cracked summon support, he’ll also be a great general hypercarry support

[@anwarshadaad1553]

1:27 boothill outside super break also can be called hypercarry, with Bronya, ruan mei, and another support or a sustain in his team

[@kertuo]

Well, in a team based game where team synergy is important even more so if they do damage, it is definitely going to increase the hp of bosses in endgame mode truly making a mistake of making everything being hp sponges

[@bgammax5842]

As someone coming from other team-based games, I find the idea of hypercarries being normal, let alone requested, utterly baffling. Its the kind of dead-end design that inevtably causes an unbelievable amount of powercreep. Characters that want a sub-dps to help out like Rappa and even Feixiao are a much healthier way to go about it since they can afford to be weaker without falling off a cliff whenever the next dps comes around. Someone uh. Probably should have mentioned this when they were designing Feixiao (:

[@jhosvillanueva7265]

sunday might be our only savior

[@claire.john6728]

I like the team composition where every member contributes like break! I’m saving up for making a follow up team. My main problem is that starrail releases so many 5 stars and not many 4 stars, like every member of a good follow up team is a 5 star there’s no “good but not great” 4 star follow up buffer or shielder or healer there’s just aventurine, robin, topaz and that’s it. I kindof wish they less great 4 star counterparts to be more affordable

[@Ellen777]

I hate powercreap in this game .. they can't kill older characters to sell newer ones .. At E 0 my Jingliu or Seele can't clear the end game modes on time like Firefly or Fiexio ..

[@izumolee6714]

Jingliu or Seele or DHIL can still low cycle MoC, it just takes a lot more effort to do so, you basically have to play perfect and have good crit rng in your favor. You can't just auto with FU or Break and get a 1 cycle clear. Like i love my Jingliu and still use her as much as possible, it sucks that so many game modes barely have any ice weakness for her to take advantage on. She can still pop off in like simulated universe/divergent with the right buffs and that is fun when she can ult almost every turn.

[@variareaver4658]

They should kill older characters because most of them suck in combat design and have horrid role division between their teams disallowing anything other than pure supports and buffs in the form of generic pure supports.

[@Kasraken]

The way I define it is a team has 4 members and if equally divided that is 25% of the team's damage each. So "carry" needs to do more than 25% of the teams damage and more than at least one other member on the team (who they are carrying). To be a "hyper-carry" not only does the character need to do more damage than "any" other member on the team but also more than "all" other team members combined. Now I know that is very specific but it is how I determine if someone is a hyper-carry or something else (like a duel DPS team). Anyway good video!

[@TheJH1015]

Blade (and by extension, Arlan) can get buffed very easily through a dedicated HP support as you already said (Like a support that records all HP changes in the team and provides a metric ton of DMG% and Crit DMG to one specific target ally. thinking about it, that would give Jingliu also a nice buff since she drains the team's HP). For the other traditional Hypercarries... honestly, the only thing that could save them is a balance patch where their multipliers get reworked. Physical carries have the innate advantage that Bleed damage scales with enemy HP, so their residual damage from breaking toughness bars can actually kinda keep up with the inflated enemy HP pool, but even they are struggling.

[@mptyalln]

we can also add a marechausse set in hsr tbh

[@dante19890]

yeah but If there are gonna release hp buffers there are also gonna be new HP scaling dps along with them that are 10 times better than Blade. So he wont really be meta again ,

[@michaelnattoo2633]

Had it not been for this video, I wouldn’t have known that there was any issue at all with hyper carries lol I’m living just great with my E0 Acheron

[@angeldiaz762]

Acheron is the exception, though. She got a huuuge buff in Jiaoqiu's release and has plenty of awesome teammates whether you're F2P or P2W. Imbibitor Lunae and Jingliu are not so lucky, insofar as if you don't have Sparkle, what's the point

[@koko-hh2bq]

I think HSR's meta is slowly transforming into something similar to Genshin's meta where having sub-dpses who do considerable damage on the side is quite important for more efficient clears. Both the FuA and Break engines facilitate this to the point where even the sustain is doing very respectable dmg, sometimes even more than DPSes who are hypercarry-focused. I don't think any support, even dedicated ones, would fix a hypercarry DPS's issue unless 1) that hypercarry has a specific gimmick that said support can cater to (i.e. Jing Yuan's summon), or 2) they just have broken af multipliers like Acheron. An E0 hypercarry would need to be able to deal equal, if not more, damage compared to a full Super Break/FuA team for them to be objectively worth building from a purely numbers perspective. So, it's just really tough competition for hypercarries atm.

[@hypwhoknowsanything3551]

The reason why hypercarry is struggling is because hoyo's hard riding on break and fua, and soon summons

[@TheBoltMaster456]

This'll continue till basically the game dies, every 3 or 4 patches a new damage type will be added or buffed and it'll be peddled by them with crazy buffs to that damage type in MoC or PF or AS and it'll make any other damage type nearly obsolete for that time period.

[@angeldiaz762]

When I play turn-based RPG's, I like to have multiple contributing damage dealers most of the time. So it does kinda make me a little proud of what the FUA team with Robin is capable of because its just so much fun

[@AevyCh]

They can also design an enemy with Flat DMG Reduction to make a massive nuke better than multiple attacks. It blocks your total damage, not individual instances of damage (so Topaz wont be dealing zero damage) Example: The enemy has 1000 Flat DMG Reduction & Topaz deals 200 damage 7 times (200 x 7) - 1000 = 400 damage ✅ (200 - 1000) x 7 = 0 damage ❌

[@noahi.1381]

So basically an Absolute Shield?

[@alexmagnan6124]

On todays episode of: 'How many -Leaks- totally random guesses can vars fit in one video'

[@Erlow]

It may not be a strong team but I think blade/jade deserves more credit, even if just for being very fun to play The speed buff lets blade do blast attacks a bit more often and the hp drain lets him use his aoe follow up almost twice as often, both of which are great contributions to charging jade's follow up

[@Frogswampperson]

I do kind of like the concept of hypercarry or having one unit that you can make a few different teams around or get upgrades to, its going to be really taxing if they leave hypercarry behind and go with the engine/team system route bc then you are having to acquire a whole new roster every patch cycle instead if just 1 or 2 characters if they work with your main(s). Like, kafka is my favorite character by far and was my first limited pull, and when i got black swan? I was stoked. I wanted to keep working on my kafka, but i feel like a bit if an idiot for not investing in break or FUA until this aventurine rerun (got the ratio topaz aventurine team running). Idk. I like some of these characters a lot but i suppose realistically no dps is safe and thats the reality of a gacha game that adds difficult content and new characters.

[@bene_ml]

11:31 They're not Yanqing was crazy, leave that small guy alone lmao xD

[@angeldiaz762]

Did you see his post on here where he showed he got E6? He's salty af

[@rubenscantanhede2797]

Listen tô this while my Dan Heng E2S1 under right circunstances can close even pure fiction...

[@oscargutierrez3206]

If You are talking of base Dan Heng, the Hunt Wind one, that's beyond impressive 😲.

[@rubenscantanhede2797]

@@oscargutierrez3206 hahahahaahaha, in my dreams only, i was talking about DHIL. But i am working on my base Dan Heng.

[@xerael4659]

Follow-up teams: One for All Hypercarry teams: All for One

[@keve5534]

Just making the characters stronger is only going to cause more problems as characters they clearly want you to still pull for become a waste Dh il had all dps in his kit. No debuffs or anything. If you out number him in the same role he just becomes redundant. A set or ability to extend buffs would be the easiest way as one of the big cons of hypercarry is if your buffs fall off your damge plummets. It would only apply to buffs that tick down on the characters turn which would free up skill points and encourage single target buffers.

[@icyglacier2429]

Hypercarry would only be able to see the light of day again when HSR devs releases more chars with very high multiplier or some supports that could buff a lot of raw boost of damages and turns...

[@variareaver4658]

Which just universally boosts all damage boostable/crit damage types and accomplishes nothing. This is why basic hypercarry design in star rail with no other archetype synergy is trash and the old dps characters without any mechanics should be abandoned unless they figure out to make a proper archetype out of them.

[@reizshfelonia6471]

The only reason Acheron dropped to T 0.5 is because the criteria for that list is E0S0. Acheron really needs her LC and Jiaoqiu to reach T0 status and E2 just makes her the best DPS in the game. But until you get those, you will feel her damage not being enough.

[@zkila]

a good harmony concept that can receive from acheron is a harmony that gets action advance or energy from how much a single instance of damage is dealt, that way acheron with easy access to insane numbers on singular instances of damage can give the most to this hypothetical harmony unit instead of follow ups, super breaks, and dots which attacks in many instances

[@variareaver4658]

For the love of god do not buff Acheron with a HARMONY of all things.

[@0yotam]

all true, and the answer to you is Fugue. she is a break support who is also GREAT for acheron (probably, didnt try yet)

[@DarkFenix2k5]

I very much doubt it'll happen, but I think they ought to revisit all these old characters and overhaul them according to what the dev team has learned about how to build characters. They could maybe slot it into patches where there's only one new character (like we're seeing in 2.6), re-release one character in a v2.0 state of balance. If they want to keep them as hypercarry, they need crazy numbers much like Acheron, the fundamental lack of synergy requires it. But I think it would be better to interconnect them into an engine to give them lasting relevance. Jingliu for instance, maybe expand syzygy; more maximum stacks, multiple stacks consumed per attack, but then make the ways she generates those stacks more interactive - not just with her own mechanics but with her party too. And how could she give back to the team? Perhaps play into her ice typing to make some kind of effect applied when she freezes enemies, or attacks frozen enemies, or something. It just seems a shame to leave characters behind, obsolete and forgotten.

[@TheJH1015]

yessssssss pls give back Arlan his Beta kit

[@Tosca364]

Yeah, they better gives direct buff to old unit cause why bother pulling if your units will "expire" in 6 months?? I hate the direction the devs take to just blatantly smashing old units with billion HP or 999 spd enemies with bs mechanic just to sell new units and its total disrespect to players who already invest in those older units and I will not be surprised if they lose players if they practice this bs long enough. If the devs are not creative enough at least copy how other gachas buff their older units like Module System in Arknights or character buff in Reverse1999, do whatever to make older units at least relevant in current meta. Sorry i'm rumbling here, I just little bit frustrated with HSR devs in the current path.

[@digital-underworld]

As a 1st run E0S1 Topaz haver I feel good knowing that my prediction that she will be relevant as long as Follow-Up would be was correct.

[@kauewc2204]

I mean, we don't have limited hyper carry support yet besides the 2 that came with the game, bronya and tyngiun, and you could argue in favor of sparkle, though she is more of an sp printer support. I suppose when they want to revive hyper carry they will introduce a 5* version of tyngiun skill, of adding a multiplier to the character, so they can make the most out of their own kit buffs, or maybe they add a nihility character that has debuffs that out value a harmony's buffs against 1 or 2 enemies at a time and is consistent (glaring at silver wolf)

[@AsDerouxWoofWolf]

Love the analysis... ... but also, I like the big coincidence that Silver Wolf and Jiaoqiu have similae poses, for some reason.

[@mrsawsteven]

I mean for Acheron, all she needs is another character like her and we have a team with duo hypercarries XD. It is more realistic to say for E2 Acheron but imagine a DoT unit that also gets ult from having 12 stacks of debuffs or even if Jioaqiu was designed with debuff stack ult activation. But it is what it is.

[@SomebodyWhoCanFly]

8:48 they have the same pose 😂 thats hilarious

[@aetherhae]

2:06 I had to replay this a few times because the way you were pronouncing her name kinda sounded like 'Fischl' to me, and I had to do a double take LOLOL

[@gunfights-]

Is that my ROTMG GOAT on HSR? Hypercarry is still has a place as an archetype for people starting the game. You don't need to heavily invest very many limited characters to make it work. A lot of the best characters available on the standard banner play well with hypers. They also naturally help you clear the storymode and most of the endgame in a way that isn't grueling and doesn't require you to actually build out other characters. While pulling a new limited sustain is ideal as a beginner, it does take a grueling amount of time to stall all of the content and the amount of hours you lose in terms of clearing the story and reaching endgame hurts your economy and enjoyment of the game quite a bit. The amount of hours difference is honestly so big that you could easily work OT and make what you need to pull both.

[@tankadamka]

HSR has powercreep, not as hard as HI3 but not as soft as Genshin. Albeit, Hoyo makes so many comebacks with support characters dedicated to someone. It works but if you're a new player you are lost in team building.

[@cyberswordsmen8198]

I actually had a fairly good Jinglue/Blade team due to JInglue doing chip damage to her entire team fueling blade. Of course that worked by not using either of them as a hypercarry.

[@RedCoreX725]

Though unlike other Hypercarry. Acheron has arguably the best vertical investment scaling out of any unit. So the best way to buff hypercarry is their own eidolons

[@AJLaz000]

"Hypercarries fell off" some random dude with chicken wings on his face: "and who decided that?"

[@ragna6410]

Acheron is my second favorite and DHIL my third.

[@ginak5802]

Maybe not the smartest investment, but I'm going for e0s1 Acheron when she reruns in a couple days. I skipped her to go all in on Aventurine e6s1, I just love her animations and voice. I'll make her work.

[@fae_gavan7582]

I wonder, would Fugue somehow turn Acheron into a semi-break dps? Like, in a team consisting of Acheron, Fugue, Aventurine and Jiaoqiu, you can probably buff Aventurine with Fugue's skill and stuff.

[@NewExile]

It's worth remembering that hypercarries DO provide benefits to the rest of the team, mainly because by their nature they do insane amounts of damage. This usually fills the specific niche of "high damage AOE", which in turn can usually toughness-break anything short of a boss that they haven't killed, especially in the case of DIL or Acheron. Toughness breaks of course trigger a bunch of different effects, as well as bringing enemies closer to death, which is immediately useful for teams with Ruan Mei (flowers), Herta and Himeko (AOE follow-ups, which often trigger each other), Seele (finishing blow, though she's not a support), or any Sim U team whose blessings benefit from the myriad of effects like extra hits, broken shields, or debuffs. Speaking of debuffs, Acheron being lightning means she fuels engines based on both debuffs and DOTs, while DIL fuels engines based on debuffs and extra hits, on top of the insane damage and shield break. I'm not bringing up any more recent units like Fugue because the video came out in November and it'd be dickish to say "Yeah but..." and then follow up with something that didn't exist at the time.

[@danielferrieri7434]

Looks like the HyperCarry Engine lost its Hyperdrive and can no longer carry the team.

[@sakutaro3musik486]

honestly the biggest reason is sparkle being so weak, if sunday is as good as robin then hypercarry will have a chance to compete again

[@darkdude1996ify]

Realistically, we're probably going to start seeing an overlap in the engines. Or rather, we're already seeing that with characters like Boothill, who's more of a break/crit hybrid for example. Follow ups with break, follow ups with DoT, break with DoT, etc. Superbreak applying break DoTs based on the amount of break similar to how superbreak deals break dmg, for example. It really just depends on which direction they want to take the game. Massive external buffs means base multipliers are going to be more important. Adding more things with trigger conditions (like follow up attacks or SU mechanics like Aftertaste, Quake, Dissociation etc) means that characters with more ways to trigger those will be more important (we mostly see this in SU with characters like Ice March for example, since she has a follow up, she has freeze, she has a shield, so she can trigger a number of the aforementioned SU mechanics)

[@actualspiders]

Lingsha is basically a hybrid of a Break DPS, a FUA character, AND a top tier sustain character. She's like the ultimate Swiss army knife character.

[@ariq7618]

Bro, your content is so interesting, but I’ve noticed that sometimes the pacing and tone of your delivery can be a bit calming-almost too calming, haha! Maybe try mixing up the tempo a bit, or varying your tone to add some more energy? I think it could make the content even more engaging.

[@0v_x0]

E2 Acheron still alive, kicking, and 0 cycling, but concerned that her performance in 3.x is going to start looking like E2 DHIL or Jingliu at the end of 2.x. I hyperinvested in her team when I could for that reason, with E1 Jiaoqiu and picking up Sparkle's E2 on her rerun so that Robin and RM would be free for other teams. Now it's looking like 3.0 is literally opening with a next-gen lightning main DPS summoner, preceded by the summoner hypercarry support Sunday so it's not looking too good. It seems that summons is exactly what is going to happen to hypercarry, and the likes of Jingliu and DHIL continue to fall by the wayside. Do we really need a brand new lightning DPS so soon?

[@BrantsFleshlight]

Sunday begs to differ

[@DaddySenpai35]

Sunday is gonna change that I think not sure about fuege she looks more break centric but Sunday coming to bring hyper carries relevant again.

[@Willow564]

They’re technically made for different things you know, in a Calyx would you rather use Jingliu or Acheron? Against a boss would you rather use Acheron or Jingliu? They do different things

[@Actually_Alice_Orchid]

potentially broken but imagine a character who can multiply the effects of buffs they recieve

[@smasher1237]

Hypercarry was the main way to play for a long time. I think it would be nice to bring it back to the same level as everyone else. Maybe a support with really strong skills that don't work on follow up attacks or benefit Break teams in any way.

[@dante19890]

thats not how a powercreep gacha game works. Older units are gonna be phased out while newer units will define the new meta. You playing the wrong game if you want balance.

[@Moose6557]

I think a new harmony character idea could be that their talent allows them to buff a targets damage obviously but with the added effect of Adding or lessening their talent counter stack thingy for example. Say you have Jingliu and you have this new support and you decide to buff her she gains an extra stack to her moon enhanced form letting her deal out more damage and stay in her enhanced form longer and maybe You wanna bring this new support with achreon and you use them to buff archeon one of her slash dream stacks are removed letting her get her ult even faster now letting her deal more damage.

[@variareaver4658]

This doesn’t actually work first of all because the concept within itself is super awkward and also doesn’t solve the problem that the character can only be buffed through a harmony directly and not resolving pure supports with more pure supports is going to bite that character quickly.

[@VeronicaStorm98]

I normally pull for 5 stars that I really like in Honkai Star Rail, and after getting the 5 Star Version of Dan Heng on early pity, I have been saving for Acheron because she reminds me of Raiden Shogun, and I like her personality in the game. And I noticed that Dan Heng works best when paired with at least two supports/buffers rather than sub-DPSes.

[@nicolasgoncalves5418]

Sinergy with element for jing liu a mecanic for freeze that does damage or push foward. Skill point mecanic for lunae Archeron need characters (perservasion-nighility) thay sinergise with debuffs for better consitency team

[@haydenthompson2097]

I just want to be able to use old characters without struggling so I wish they slow down on power creep and have buffers made for older characters

[@thewritevibe]

I have 2 hypercarry teams and 1 break team. So far... instead of pulling for a new shiny dps, i tend to stick with supports that would help my current teams and focused on improving my relics. I cant 0 cycle but still manage to brute force my way to all content.

[@kurosakitora5498]

i think a big problem with hypercarry is the amount of resources you need to dedicate for it. IL dan heng just needs sparkle if you want to make the most out of him. acheron needs E2 first if you want to run one none nihility character and whether you have it or not you'll still need her lightcone since almost all other nihility lightcones barely do her any good at all. fua and break have far less restrictions and even some of their builds cost a lot. and for me a cost is not the materials but rather getting the needed characters and the lightcones needed

[@gigawolf1799]

I think it's really funny to see Lingsha, a healer, do a million damage in 3 actions

[@shinidragon7775]

I think current Hypercarries do still have paths for buffs that won't also buff others. For example your mention of a battery character was something I had thought about right before you said it. But instead of just a normal battery, we can make this character restore a flat amount of energy based on SP usage, Sparkle follows an idea like this but this character could passively restore up to like 15 energy per turn for allies if they use 3 SP for example. This DOES help most characters no matter what but the biggest beneficiaries would be DHIL, Qingque, and Seele since they either use a lot of SP per turn or ideally move twice per turn. Unlike someone like Ratio who uses skill once and relies on FuA, and ofc Feixiao and Acheron don't even benefit from energy. Even feeds back into Sparkle since she skills every turn and it'd be possible for her to get a 2T ult with the little extra energy

[@shinidragon7775]

This doesn't help Jingliu as much but she has her teamwide life drain that they can play off of instead

[@rolotv2727]

9:06 GESTALT HOLY NIER GESTALT BRAINROT

[@aaronscott7467]

I think that the archetype has it's pace, but part of the issue is that it's domain got encroached on. They've always relied on advances, but then robin was released who could just do that for the entire comp. As for whether it should continue to exist as an archetype, I think there's no reason for it not to. I feel like there has been a disproportionate amount of dps releases compared to supports, so if they released more supports then hypercarries would just have more tools.

[@chacepasollon7566]

5:52 real subtle

[@almondxd6110]

One of the biggest downside of Hypercarry comp is when main DPS got captured (by Savarog and the meme boss)​ the run is over immediately​ as there is no one can release them fast enough to not cost too much cycles or points

[@silver.shoelaces]

I think hypercarry teams are excellent for beginners. You can run Imbibitor Lunae with Hanya and Tingyun. You can run Jingliu with Bronya and Tingyun. You can run Acheron with Pela and Guinaifen. Unlike the hyper-specific niches that are FUA and break, the flexibility of hypercarries means that a new player still building their account has a lot of options. I think they should release a few more hypercarries but slow down their release, and add some more supports *or light cones* that make the older ones stronger. Honestly I think power creeping the light cones is the way to go. I picked up Topaz’s light cone and now I use it on Feixiao or Ratio if they’re in the team, Topaz if they aren’t. If the light cones are getting stronger but the characters maintain their old strength, we won’t feel bad for benching characters we have an emotional attachment to.

[@dante19890]

why would a beginner run that when there are better teams out now and we are 1 patch away from 3.0

[@Laserstormelpies]

Who needs hypercarries when they design characters to all buff each other and themselves? Gallagher released as a healer and now he's also a viable damage-dealer. You can have hypercarry teams that still buff each other into the heavens of damage numbers. So the "hypercarrying" itself became redundant.

[@Ulquiorra_Cifer]

i think the only way to directly buff hypercarries is by having some sort of a giga buffer that comes with the cost of nerfing the damage of all other team members

[@IveBeenWithBruma]

How about a support that gives a damage bonus that scales off a characters current speed values and a nihility unit that forces enemies forward to put in more DoT into rotations. We have nothing like this in game and neither benefits break units while giving huge buff potential to hypercarries and dot teams.

[@patricialock1862]

I'd love a support that specifically sucks the damage out of teammates (in the form of some percentage buff or something idk) and put it into the carry I think that would be funny

[@brycecai4700]

I feel like the main reason is powercrep, enemies has way more health than before

[@oonyyplaysrpg]

E2 Acheron for the rerun boys let’s go

[@D0cSwiss]

Jingliu and DHIL would be at least a tier higher if they'd been released in 2.X and gotten the powercreep buffs that Acheron got

[@dominickroberts4653]

Simple reason: More team heavy characters mean more sales

[@kwaakwoo]

6:43 Ah. Father.

[@SpicyFox-0]

Forgive me Father for I have si.. *sees Sunday* I’m sorry daddy for I have been a naughty boy*

[@Elven_Red]

Follow up really tickles my monkey brain with the characters just spamming attacks non-stop, I would use it even if it wasn't currently in the high

[@Zafaruss]

Here’s the thing. I don’t want every character to be a hyper carry, but I do want a variety of teams, which hyper carry is apart of.

[@ArchyPoppy]

HMMM Susge when the upcoming highly anticipated unit already powercrept the previous hypercarry supports in his beta (sparkle, TY, bronya)

[@mptyalln]

triple harmony teams with sunday 💀

[@John-ii6he]

The issue with HSR I would like to address is that 90% of these teams require HEAAAVVYY 5 star loads that arent accessible. I get that hoyo needs cash, but HSR nearly has the same amount of 5 stars as genshin in its SEVEN YEARS. The problem is mainly that these strategies that barely last a patch and may be obsolete in two characters have nearly no support unless its ANOTHER five star or you CANT keep meaningful damage anyway. Making the synergy thing a bigger problem. Which is why things like feixiao basically being able to act every turn for any team member is hugely over powered because she would be incredibly hard to power creep.

[@novalytyxp]

3:48 this right here is why I’m not attracted to the hypercarry archetype. I like my teams to feel like hyperbloom, and like they’re all puzzle pieces that fit together. The only exception is Acheron, but she still has the debuff as like a sub-archetype, and DOTcheron, which I find really fun to play. I just don’t want to brute force the game, I want synergies that pay off to use together. (Basically what he said already lol)

[@ryuk6795]

As a unit these charaters are great ,the problem is other teams mainly fua and superbreak have their entire team become dps But in hypercarry team only 1 unit is big no dps and other units are there just to provide buffs and not jave any personal damage

[@ravwoofles3858]

I wouldn't mind if hyper carry was morphed into a different archetype, as long as more characters get more love

[@Jonnybeeh]

Quantum DOT healer is coming !!

[@whisper3856]

Personally, hypercarry is my favorite DPS type. I love hypercarries… even if my Acheron pulls went very poorly :’)

[@moodiiperson7474]

Nahh, Sunday will build hype around Hypercarry, trust.