MIT diversity data confirms 'worst fears' about end of affirmative action

[@rrcDTD2013]

Two things can be true. We should have blind admissions based on merit and accomplishments while also getting rid of legacy admissions based on financial contributions

[@RuijieZhou]

If you don't want racial in admission, then don't check that number. Just publish how many good student are there. Publish the average test scores this year compared to last year.

[@dkg_gdk]

Define merit, having been trained to pass tests?

[@RuijieZhou]

@@dkg_gdk what about being trained to take the test, but still failed? Or even not utilize the time to study when it's free? While a lot of kids in other countries even can't have proper school?

[@C.Church]

As a poor I'm ok with legacy admissions to private institutions. They're private. These hoity toity people are a reason the schools have prestige the rest of us want.

[@Sweetlady1916]

Nope, give it time. If anybody thinks, these prestigious universities are going to let Amerian institution's fill up with Asian student's😂. They are going to be the next target and the gold post will be moved mid game.

[@dcoderjr]

I think we should focus on improving poor performing high schools rather than focusing on race in admissions.

[@newtrollaccount384]

This country knows how to do that but they don't really want to.

[@TreyIM22]

​@newtrollaccount384 Exactly. When ppl don't want to learn about white supremacy and it's long, tentacled hands, they believe it's either not true or are completely naive. That's the genesis of poor education in this country but white ppl think they and their ancestors are/were such great ppl. Doesn't apply to all white ppl, of course, but even some of the ones who have diverse friends or ppl they date STILL have some racist thoughts. I've dated white women and about 3 of them espoused some deepy racist and disturbing thoughts in general, and even aimed at me.

[@GM-cm3qc]

@@TreyIM22you are the problem.

[@TreyIM22]

@@GM-cm3qc You're not very bright

[@user-zu5do6ri6r]

We should cut our losses when it comes to public schools. Every year it takes more money to give our children a lower quality education.

[@AndrewTran-bleh]

Yep, getting into MIT has always been one of every Asian kid's "worst fears" for sure 🙂

[@SurgeryIsWoke]

@AndrewTran-bleh imagine thinking the people who ended affirmative action cared about Asians😁

[@stanleycoleman]

doesn't this just prove that affirmative action was hurting Asian American applicants?

[@KomarBrolan]

Exactly! Now the people that deserve to be there are getting in.

[@naww-g]

@@KomarBrolanyup. Now hopefully with more HBCU enrollment they will get more funding

[@senai795]

affirmative action was created because of slavery and segregation and the ripple effect it has to this day from lack of resources. Instead of building Africa they were building America and did not have basic resources met so they began de-segregation initiatives that people form all walks of life have gotten help from. companies are historically known for favoring non-black applicants so they came out with de-segregation initiatives like this.

[@user-fb6hy2eh5y]

Yup. White had a 1% change. Affirmative Action targeted Asian kids

[@KomarBrolan]

@@senai795 Yes, but in 2024 no college in the country is actively trying to keep African Americans out. They are pushing them to the front of the line. When that happens it causes harm to those that would have gotten in without the preferential treatment. It also causes a ripple effect of degrading African Americans as they are seen as having their positions because of their skin color not their ability.

[@captainlinsano7739]

For everyone that wants to talk about legacy admissions, MIT eliminated that 20 years ago. It is still a problem wherever practiced that should be the next fight.

[@C.Church]

If the school is private I think they can do that if they want. Free country. It's the accomplished people (as long as out in the open) who build the prestige the rest of us want. Public schools, no.

[@captainlinsano7739]

@@C.Church until the courts rule otherwise, but I see your point

[@C.Church]

@@captainlinsano7739 But the courts won't rule on it unless persistent (pardon the expression but I believe this) persistent unamerican pushypants insist making it something to rule on. I mean the private schools. I agree about public ones.

[@C.Church]

@@captainlinsano7739 My rather bland and agreeable reply got squashed. I hate to say it but it is this side of politics that demanded censorship online. It's exhausting when I see left leaning pundit channels complain (while ebegging for donations) that their content is being targeted by very progressive-leaning YT. Even worse is the audience going along with that delusion and pretending they also didn't demand censorship. /End off topic eyerolling.

[@AntonioRivera28]

@@captainlinsano7739 the courts would never be able to force a private institution to get rid of legacy. thats not within their power. for public schools yes, but i dont know of any public schools that have it

[@ftvproduction7342]

Proves asians were discriminated against

[@newtrollaccount384]

AA carved out spots for a group of people that have historically faced discrimination and a lack of opportunity due to racism. AA was not designed to discriminate against Asians. Asians had nothing to do with AA. Their complaints were selfish and never should have been considered.

[@Jnoel608]

How can that be possible when they had the highest acceptance rates already. lol half the schools are Asian. Asians more discriminated than blacks? And god forbid you can’t get into the BEST school and only have to settle for second best. Might end up poor for the rest of their lives because of that.

[@aem870]

The percentage of whites went down. They were benefitting from affirmative action and still benefitting from legacy admissions.

[@duckmercy11]

Lol it proves nothing. A lot of you commentors no clue what you're talking about.

[@iang8169]

Duckmercy . The % of white students went down with the new merit only admissions . Asians make up 47% of rhe freshman class ..who could possibly have a problem with that

[@voytek3999]

What worse fear? That racial division is taken away from MIT.... Really?

[@heemlo649]

Good for the Asian kids.

[@GhossupGurls]

@@heemlo649 lol. You're silly. What you're saying is you're glad they disadvantage black students. Let's wait until they disadvantage white kids. Then all the very same arguments will come back...

[@hangender]

Good at math for sure

[@unpunishedguilt8052]

It's nice to talk big stuff when you're on top but that won't always be the case.

[@bliglum]

@@unpunishedguilt8052 Is that a threat?

[@AndreRodriguez-BlkRican]

Good for the Asian kids sfill tskonf full advantage off legacy admissions?! No. Whjres and Asians account for 99 percnrotf legal y admission s each year accoringto the college board association. And 100 percent poc the parents arrested for the paid admissions scandal were all whres and Asian!

[@kev3d]

Wow, these guys are really upset that Asians are doing so well.

[@bliglum]

Anti-white, anti-Asian, black supremacists.

[@cl10367]

@@kev3d It stings. Immigrant community after immigrant community that can't even speak English leapfrog your community. It fukken stings.

[@asenbilev2086]

You're totally right, yet Asian-Americans are excelling!!

[@langa_rsa]

It's quite alarming that despite America being a majority white country, white students in some of these institutions are a minority but there's still complaints about 'lack of diversity' Just goes to show that DEI actually meant 'less white people and more black people'

[@duckmercy11]

They're not. 90% of the ones in NYC are broke working at takeout shacks and collecting cans and bottles in the street. Ivy kids are outliers.

[@samuelwang5589]

Bravo! MIT! Admission should be merit-based not race based.

[@abcatos]

Is it merit based in China or Chinese get preferred over Indians? Or Vice Versa. Stop Bullshiting🤦

[@LowerYourExpectationsPleb]

@@abcatos lol?

[@DK_75]

@@abcatos You're a jealous black student.

[@JeanPierreWhite]

I have a dream.....

[@humanbeing8948]

Lol. Mit is literally going yt. Meaning it's not about merit. They are literally excluding based on race.

[@lawjoshay]

Please remember that Asian Americans also count as minorities and also face discrimination and racial biases in America. Every minority deserves a voice.

[@RealJackHQ]

@@lawjoshay Amen to that ☝️

[@persecutedbyracistz]

Do you know that there are different forms of intelligence? Hitler praised the Japanese and called bl-ks subhuman, Asians are no where near as oppressed in America as bl-ks (as a group). Anyone care to debate this I am the Top Martial Artist and the Son of a Brain Surgeon? Moral Wisdom is a higher form of intelligence than book smarts is. Think about it…Apparently you didn’t comprehend the last part about the “structural inequality in that defines the landscape of american education from K-12 up to colleges..”

[@persecutedbyracistz]

You say that as they suppress my comments

[@tinyhomesforthehomeless]

No offense, but Apparently you don’t understand the part about the structural inequalities in the educational landscape in America and yes they removed a comment from this comment section unfairly as I am bl-ck, the Top Martial Artist and smarter than all others, I am even a brain surgeon’s son.

[@nnyy9729]

Kudos to all Asian kids!! I was heartbroken for long time to see those who Asians scored higher but rejected admissions. Not all Asians are crazy rich, and some of their ancestors were once thrown to concentrate camps while being taken all their resources. Many white communities are suffering from poverty and substance abuse too. What has to happen is to make change in each underserved community, not preferring some based on race at the admission.

[@jeffjefferson930]

Ironically most Americans don't actually think this is bad news. The kids that deserve to be there based on merit were admitted.

[@PlanckBunny]

How naïve

[@vivianatrevino6212]

Really? When did you poll America?

[@AntonioRivera28]

@@vivianatrevino6212 affirmative action has been unpopular for a long time. those polls were already done

[@brianchristoffer5872]

​@PlanckBunny why don't you enlighten us with your supreme intellect cause I'd really like to know why anyone should be denied access to education solely based on their lineage... 😂

[@orielsy]

Which is fine if everyone had the same access to the tools needed to reach these heights.

[@dfv671]

I'm happy for the 5% black students because they've earned it.

[@calvingeorge2412]

Worry not my racist friend , the students MIT rejected will find a home else where.

[@internetstudios5536]

@@calvingeorge2412 aren’t you racist for wanting lower standards for blacks while having different score standards for Asian students?

[@dfv671]

@@calvingeorge2412 NBA is not racist even there are no Asians. Why? Because they only play the best, regardless of skin color.

[@matt8847]

​@@calvingeorge2412you really thought you did something lol

[@mayowaosibodu]

They would’ve gotten in anyway. That’s not a point.

[@KluverBucy]

Worst fears? You mean that discrimination against Asians finally stopped?

[@MeetJosephBlack904]

It didn't

[@somav8]

Your joking if you think this won't eventually affect Asains. That's how they get us fighting each other.

[@mistervo8185]

​@somav8 this did affect asians.....didn't you see the chart?

[@somav8]

@@mistervo8185 Fair

[@hsk2k8]

Merit based is the true color blind admission. That’s call equality - That’s the way it should be. Guess who’s whining about it

[@JeanPierreWhite]

So what we are seeing here is that we have been systematically discriminating against Asian Americans, denying many talented students access to top tier schools because the quota for Asian Americans was "full". Good to see that level of discrimination come to an end. I have a dream....

[@Dave-my1we]

Bingo.

[@alaa-eldin_hamdan]

What a crock

[@JeanPierreWhite]

@@alaa-eldin_hamdan Thanks for the insightful comment. Good to see a counter argument used with logic and reasoning. /s

[@cl10367]

It's a bit of a gut punch to asians to realize that the entirety of of affirmative action was being implemented at the expense of asians. It's like finding out your friends didn't actually like you and talked behind your back when you weren't around.

[@duckmercy11]

Stop taking MLK out of context. He not only supported AA but actual quotas too.

[@Jbs1999]

This is how it should be. Based on academic values. Not race.

[@duckmercy11]

What if the "academic values" are directly linked to race? I.e. private test prep companies designed by and for AAPIs specifically?

[@anonymoususer4376]

@@duckmercy11 Reading, writing, and math are skewed in favor of Asians? lol.

[@Jay-Kay-Buwembo]

But the landscape is not equal, parents do not have equal resources to invest in their children so wealthy highly educated families will always be at an advantage. At school I saw this, many Indian families had the skills in the family to teach their children. Most wealthy families hire tutors and pay for programs to groom their kids from a young age. If only it was a meritocracy and level playing field.

[@duckmercy11]

@@anonymoususer4376 Stop being obtuse and look up cram schools.

[@anonymoususer4376]

@@duckmercy11 Test prep classes have been around forever. My best friend in high school went to one in the mid 80s. He ended up in the same public school that I got into. No different than getting a tutor to help you focus on your weak areas and become familiar with certain type of questions. They help you with test taking strategies. If someone in sports needs help, they take lessons. Your suggestion is that it's equivalent to cheating. lol. They don't take the test for you nor do they know the questions on the test. It's no different than going to a prep class to pass the MCAT, CPA or Bar exam.

[@Powerduo88]

Instead of being upset, we should look at why Asians get into these schools so easily. They have a huge focus on academics, in general, in their culture. So, if you want to compete, step up your game academically. No one should get a job, into specific schools, etc based of anything besides being qualified. If you can't get into these Ivy League colleges, move on to another school.

[@von1glik]

This! I admire their dedication to educate their children. It is a priority for the family and other cultures could take a page or two from this book

[@danl.2626]

because asian parents teach their kids to do the right thing. Asian kids arent taught to steal or heckle, but work hard.

[@kharlosdamonpanterra8162]

Asian Americans will never face the levels of racism African Americans have faced in the US. The bad faith actors have won for the moment.

[@markraftis]

What you talking crazy talk. That means work hard and be responsible for your work and actions.

[@robertgorman6724]

Asians are finally getting equal treatment 😊

[@zhang_han]

The fact that white enrollment dropped as well kinda shows that this isnt systemic racism and the lawsuit claiming unfair discrimination against asian American applicants has merit.

[@Gear3RacingFirm]

Or maybe it is a screening tactic in hopes your will lose interest and point your attention elsewhere. Let's wait for an aggregate of data so we can analyze a trend pattern; not off small data set of one or two. They could rotate admissions. More Asians this time , then more African Americans next cycle ,then more Latinos..ect. Let's wait and see.

[@mariusfacktor3597]

Weren't Asian Americans the top demographic last year? Clearly they weren't discriminating against Asian Americans.

[@jonnyd9351]

A 2-3% fluctuation isn't very statistically significant.

[@cl10367]

@@Gear3RacingFirm Now you are turning to conspiracy theories to rationalize your prior racism?

[@Gear3RacingFirm]

@@cl10367 what racism no racism here. I think the problem is that someone you don’t know what racism is. you don’t understand racism you don’t understand systemic racism. it is a mere historical fact that we could not attend these white institutions much less getting a job there sweeping the floor as a black person. Our response was not to play victim as many of you accuse us of doing. We simply find a way around you or through you always suffer and find a way to do without. Our response., was to build our own high-level institutions of learning.. everyone who applies for college has at least 3 to 4 schools. If you don’t get into your first choice, then you have the second third and fourth.. but it seems that certain people seem to be entitled, something we’ve also been accused of in a fight for quality and progression. Don’t project your shortsighted vision on to me or people like me as if they don’t deserve to go to these top schools. you accuse us of not working hard. Where is the proof they have the same scores of similar scores they just didn’t choose the Asian applicant that happens to African folks all the time and then you have the nerve to tell me to stop complaining and study harder, Black people., African people, no matter what we do it’s never enough we can outcompete you all day long it still never enough. the Asian person does not get in. They cry file because you’re letting the black in or the Latinos in. Just maybe you weren’t good enough. It’s always somebody else’. What you’re saying is cause you’re Asian and the assumption is that you work? The hardest that you should be giving preference over other people. I simply said if you feel so discriminated against why don’t you build your own universities like the African man here in America has done. The reason Why you weren’t getting into university in the first place it’s because they don’t want you there. And what you’re hoping is that the model minority myth gives you an age to get an at school it does not you cry foul. Yeah right is black is Black people that holding back. Now you have exposed your ignorance with your response because you know I am right and you have no real valid counter argument.. I’m telling you what you told me and I did not call you racist. And I will close by saying it again. Stop complaining and build your own universities. Problem solved. And may I , are you even Asian at all? Or one of those people who suffers from a case of missionary zeal?

[@feitw]

I am appalled they would get rid of testing requirements in any measure. When I was little, as a Hispanic immigrant, I tested very highly throughout many years of standardized tests. I learned to speak English properly. My cousins, who never put effort into their schoolwork and spoke with a ghetto accent by choice, didnt get the scores I did and had only themselves to blame for it. It would be disapointing to see hardworking kids punished because you want to see more diversity.

[@emjay2045]

“Punished?”

[@jimkillerx]

@@emjay2045 Yes. By forcing racial diversity, you’re punishing people who deserve to be there for those that don’t.

[@keith.anthony.infinity.h]

In terms of Black students enrollment at MIT dropped because Black students applied elsewhere specifically more so HBCUs because they are tired of going where they are not welcomed. Hispanic enrollment also decreased as well at MIT but it remained the same at Yale, Princeton and others I think. You guys are attacking diversity but are not saying jackshit about White legacy admissions? Why do you not stand up to them?

[@jimkillerx]

@@keith.anthony.infinity.h Most people are against legacy admissions as well, but that's not what the argument was about. Besides, legacy admissions score higher on average than the students that got in due to their skin color anyway.

[@anonymoususer4376]

Enrollment by race isn't important. We should only care if the application process is objective. Truth is that many Asian kids outwork their peers. My neighbor's kid is part of this class at MIT and I'm so happy for him. I've seen him grow up and sacrifice everything to have a chance at an elite school. Opportunities should never been taken from someone in the name of equity.

[@duckmercy11]

Outwork everyone at cheating 😂. So tired of everyone putting them on a pedestal when they literally have their own test prep industry designed specifically FOR THEM.

[@anonymoususer4376]

@@duckmercy11 Who's "them"? Overachieving kids?

[@duckmercy11]

@@anonymoususer4376 Yeah.

[@יעקב98]

​@@duckmercy11 The Asian wasn't even defined as what kind of Asian and you're saying Asians have a whole test prep industry designed for them? What group of Asians? The Chinese? The Indians? The Japanese? The Vietnamese? The hmong? The Koreans? Which group? Stop being mad that someone made it into MIT and just so happens to be of an Asian descent.

[@duckmercy11]

@@יעקב98 In areas like Flushing, Queens NYC it's a mix of nationalities. The 'cram schools' as they're called are definitely designed for one overarching group, what 'kind' they are isn't a relevant issue.

[@sfdoctorp]

"our worst fears" --- you mean letting kids get in that are actually smart?

[@clifton6919]

Yep. These people don't care about merit.

[@drethethinker6418]

Getting kids in who had certain advantages. You are assuming the other 10% arent actually smart but it not like schools were taking in kids with low scores. They were just taking kids with above average scores that just weren't the top of the top.

[@sfdoctorp]

​@drethethinker6418 if you had common sense, you would understand that the statement is made relatively, in context. The context here is the "applicant pool". The context here is NOT "18 year olds on the planet". Yes sure, that 10% might have been smarter than some other people, but clearer not the smartest in those applying. Let me also define smart too. I don't mean street smart or knowledge of hip hop or basketball (not being racist). In the context of what matters at MIT, it is how good are you at advanced math. Trig, calculus, etc. MiT builds on that. I worked in admissions myself and so I can tell you this. If you were Asian, you has to have perfect scores on SAT, SAT II, AP, and IB. PERFECT! No exceptions. In fact, even those that were perfect got rejected. So you had to have perfect scores and so many other things. Well, if you were black, you didn't need to be perfect at all. You could afford to get many questions wrong on each test and still get in. Sure, is black kid that got 90% on Calc test smarter than my 9 year old. Yes But consider the standard of "perfect". I know an indian boys who got 1 wrong on 1 test and wouldn't apply. I said why not still give it a shot. He asked "can you honestly tell me I have a chance". I couldn't. .. becauae that is the reality. An indian can't get a single question wrong, but a black kid can get many. And let me be clear. There are indians who just immigrated, living in ghettos, who still have to check indian. Some are single parent and the parents isn't eduxated. Meanwhile there are black kids living in mansions, where both parents are doctors pr professors. he gets to check black. So sorry .... race doestn really mean privikege.

[@newtrollaccount384]

AA didn't help admit those that couldn't do the work. It helped those that could do the work that were like to be discriminated against. Your comment implies that you are likely to discriminate against others based on race.

[@sfdoctorp]

​@newtrollaccount384 "couldn't do the work" ... let's look at the actual data compared to your virtue signaling garbage. How many of those let in due to DEI fail out? It's a lot. If they could do the work, they wouldn't fail out. Let me give stark numbers from my own experience. My alma mater wanted promote women in engineering. Every male had a perfect SAT math score. Women got in with 690s. That is 11 wrong on a 60 question math test. Even after that generous lower standard ... out of 179, only 11 girls. I know this personally because I like every boy, I wanted a girlfriend. I am not saying girls aren't smart or good at math ... I am just saying they were applying. Only 4 of those girls graduated. 7 flunked out. No one is talking about discriminating against AA .. we are talking about not discriminating against Indians. How about we keep it simple, like many other contests in the world? How about we give everyone a test and the highest 100 scores get into MIT, the next 100 go to Stanford, next 100 to CMU, then Princeton, and so on. I guarantee if you were to do it that way, you would see a very different study body. But that is the thing. .. you want to social engineer the student body to look like America. But see, you don't do that for the NFL. .. do you? Why aren't we "letting in asians" in the NFL? They can "do the work" can't they? An Asian can catch a ball and run. But see the qu3stion there is who does it best? Funny how that works right? It's not who is the best at doing the math for mit, but for NFL, it is. Why don't we "lift up" asians in sports then? I can talk about lack of privilege and disadvtage there too ... but we know you won't care there.

[@peacefreedom4930]

Sounds to me like the efforts needed to be focused on making a quality education accessible to kids of all races so merit is the consideration to get into Ivy League schools.

[@freddyt55555]

Community colleges are practically free. The percentage of the black population with any education past high school sits at a dismal 25%. There's a lot of low hanging fruit that the black community is sticking their noses up at because they want a few hundred more black kids to get into elite schools each year.

[@Jay-Kay-Buwembo]

🙏🏿 🙏🏿 🙏🏿

[@freedone.]

Merit- based admissions. Deal with it. You want your chef, pilot, doctor or mechanic to be decided by affirmative action or by merit? This is reality setting in, not some nefarious plot. Sanity has returned.

[@typhoon320i]

It should be based on qualified students with financial need, not skin color.

[@samuelmbowa6755]

I still feel it needs to cater a bit more to minority students from low income families. Affirmative action should not have benefited minority students from wealthy families.

[@typhoon320i]

@@samuelmbowa6755 No..... we are trying to be blind to skin color, not favor one over another. A poor white person is in the same boat, as a poor black person.

[@LadieKadie]

@@typhoon320iFacts, AND I want my doctors and lawyers to be actually Qualified, not granted a trophy degree.

[@clifton6919]

It should be based on MERIT.

[@samuelmbowa6755]

@@typhoon320i unfortunately we will never be color blind

[@realmusicnj]

Worst fears? Seems like an awful lot of superior students who have been discriminated against for years are now getting the educational opportunities they rightfully deserve. That would seem to be a plus for both the universities and our nation as a whole.

[@TJohn-w8p]

Don't we want the best people performing important jobs ?

[@Bootstataboots]

What Are the important jobs?

[@wongarnold2879]

Nurses, doctors lol. People that save lives and contribute to society. 😅

[@tc556guy]

Good. People should be admitted based on their merit, not because they check a DEI box.

[@duckmercy11]

Except merit is a myth

[@tc556guy]

How so. If you're being hired based on qualifications instead of because you check a box, it's not a myth

[@duckmercy11]

@@tc556guy Because cheating culture.

[@duckmercy11]

@@tc556guy Because cheating and nepotism.

[@bharathivenkitaraman689]

This shows that the students who got in genuinely deserve to be there.

[@duckmercy11]

Not necessarily. Cheating culture is rampant.

[@siningchen2065]

As a university professor my experience has been that admitting minority students is the easy part and what the media focuses on. The real challenge is to keep minority students in the degree program. I’ve seen many of them drop out for non-performance issues. I have a colleague who would chase after talented minority students and even chase down their parents and beg the students to stay on instead of taking a call center job just because it’s the best job they’ve seen their folks take. Now some of these kids are in grad school because of him. This is the kind of work we need to be doing for our less fortunate students at every stage of their lives, not just opening doors for them, but be an aspiring parent to them who hold their hands until they open the next door with their own hands.

[@von1glik]

Does this account asian students too? Do they also have non-performance issues or are they all from rich families and that allows them to focus on studies?

[@IAMHERE486]

It’s better for minorities in particular Blk to go to community colleges where they have more support.Then to transfer to a 4 year college where they’ll have support as well.

[@AlexanderHuzar]

Why is this controversial or offensive to anyone? Asian Americans doing better in general in academia should be rewarded and celebrated and served up as a model for literally all other ethnic groups. This is what happens when you qualify on actual merit. If you don't like it - do better.

[@Ivan-si1oc]

What they need to do is remove legacy

[@AntonioRivera28]

@@Ivan-si1oc MIT doesnt have legacy admissions.

[@newtrollaccount384]

You talk about merit but Black people were denied opportunities for centuries. AA was implemented after CR laws were passed. Your critical thinking skills are not sharp enough to be lecturing about academic merit.

[@psychospeech6189]

​@newtrollaccount384 Cool troll acccount, bro

[@IndianPrince04]

@@newtrollaccount384 B students aren't denied the opportunity to attend MIT, the stats clearly show that b students make up 5% of the student body (these are the ones who deserve a spot). Now what were you saying about critical thinking skills?

[@NeilMacEwen-u7i]

Inequality? One group raises their kids and their kids go to school the other group teaches their kids their victims and can't make it on their own

[@wongarnold2879]

Facts!

[@יעקב98]

The majority of America's cultural issues exist in the black communities and a lot of the cultural issues within the black community exist on an individual level. Blacks are the majority of almost every bad statistic and a lot of it is because of black culture.

[@jayjones251]

Got fooled by the white man lol

[@DK412724]

Isnt it technically more diverse since there are more Asians who happen to be more of a minority group? Plus, Asians represent various nations: China, Japan, Korea, India, Taiwan, Phillipines, Pakistan. That's true diversity

[@Dharma_and_Ahimsa]

huh yeah but asians = 7% of America. Blacks and Hispanics make up 35% of the population (+Asia excluding Russia is the same size as Africa so same continent size wise)

[@DK412724]

@soar865 NBA is 0.4% Asian. 73% is black. That's less diverse than MIT and there is absolutely no call to implement a program or policy for better representation. The fact is, diversity in America has a specific agenda that excludes Asians

[@asianknight9093]

They don't care about Asians. They care about black and brown people.

[@Zero11_ss]

Great to see qualified Asians getting in and unqualified people being kept out.

[@gabrielalarcon5462]

Try to cope harder, Zero

[@jnitz1]

@@gabrielalarcon5462 He's not coping at all. He's right.

[@Gear3RacingFirm]

@@jnitz1 BullSH*t!!!

[@AntonioRivera28]

@@gabrielalarcon5462 that isnt coping. thats celebrating over the fruits of victory

[@BassGuitar4life]

@@gabrielalarcon5462 No need to cope when you have won. Zero.

[@mordant221]

Even when you include all Asians in America, from Indians to Chinese to Koreans to Filipinos, we are STILL the smallest minority in the country. We are POC too, not white adjacent, saying otherwise is racist af.

[@baatar]

What does white adjacent mean? If that’s true, where’s my check for white adjacent privilege?

[@axe863]

Shut up... you've been designated as white

[@cl10367]

@@baatar white adjacent is a powerful privilege son. It's so powerful that it elevated Asians ahead of white kids in academic achievement, extracurricular activities and college admissions. It raises asian income above white incomes. It reduces teen pregnancy, incarceration, suicide rates and motor vehicle fatalities below white people. White adjacency is a powerful privilege indeed.

[@cl10367]

@@baatar White adjacency is a powerful privilege in our society. Being adjacent to whites is more powerful than actually being white. It leads to better academic achievement, better income, better life expectancy, lower BMI than whites. It leads to lower divorce rates, lower teen pregnancies, lower out of wedlock births, lower suicide rates, lower automobile fatalities, lower incarceration rates, lower drug abuse rates than whites. It is a powerful privilege to be adjacent to whites.

[@duckmercy11]

A whooping 1/3 of married AAPI women are hitched to Caucasian dudes. I think it's safe to say the adjacent thing is a fact of life.

[@lavamelon729]

This is fantastic news! Higher ed is no longer discriminating against Asians.

[@shabadoo799]

Asian kids work hard and they deserve it!

[@ImaniBelle-tu5nu]

Not just Asian kids

[@WOOOOWWOWO]

​@@ImaniBelle-tu5nu But they worked harder

[@honeybrownsugga6866]

Typical ignorant statement. They work harder because they are Asians. 😂😂 Unbelievable. You can't make this stuff up. Smh🙄😄 However, Asians were crying on various articles and on KZbin for being REJECTED by Harvard, Yale and Princeton. 🤔 Yeah extremely intelligent. 🙄😂😂

[@cl10367]

@@ImaniBelle-tu5nu They were the only ones being discriminated against in admissions. The other kids that got in were getting in before.

[@duckmercy11]

They do, but a lot of them work even harder at cheating and gaming the system. I wish my hood had cram schools and parenting networks where they teach single moms from the PJs how to hack standardized exams 😂

[@mrL9122]

Such a BS story. A lot of these asian kids come from low income families as well. They did the work and got in. Do the work, you're competing in a global economy. The asian kids did the work and they got in. DEI, didn't earn it!

[@kilamoblack7532]

I attended an underfunded, lower-class school in the past. It was interesting to see many Hispanic and Black students, but hardly any Asians. The few Asians who did attend the Ivy League schools are usually from China, Japan, or India-groups known for having a relatively higher socioeconomic status compared to other immigrant communities.

[@Ivan-si1oc]

I do agree, but there are arguably more African Americans who are under more financial strain and cannot pursue better education (tutoring, etc). But I do agree, I have a friend whos parents immigrated when they were 18 and had nothing. They created their own business from scatch (plus language barrier) and have worked for 15+ years. They used to work around 70+ hours a week.

[@newtrollaccount384]

I doubt many low income students attend MIT. They can't afford it.

[@newtrollaccount384]

@@Ivan-si1oc No one creates a business from scratch. There are start up costs. Your friends likely moved here with assets and possibly used illegal immigrant extended family from overseas as labor. People need to stop lying about all these immigrant stories.

[@IndianPrince04]

It has nothing to do with finances. As we all know, being book smart is viewed as being "corny" in the b community. It's this groupthink that led them to this disaster, they did this to themselves.

[@reginayfavors]

Go where you are appreciated, not tolerated. Black folks will be just fine without attending these institutions. Leave us out of the debate.

[@jct903]

100% agree. HSBCUs exist for a reason.

[@reginayfavors]

@@jct903 Exactly. Take all of our creativity and inventions to HBCUs.

[@IndianPrince04]

Oh but black folks do attend MIT (the 5% who actually deserve it).

[@von1glik]

Why is your answer choosing a segregated lower rated school rather than placing a higher value on education and schooling of your kids? Asians were discriminated all this time in favour of you. Is that fair?

[@reginayfavors]

@@von1glik Asian Americans were not discriminated in favor of black folks. Asian Americans are considered the model minority. They were giving more opportunities. But don't worry about it. Now that Asian Americans have gotten rid of Affirmative Action, they should be able to take all those spots now. There should be no problem, right? Let them. Again, leave black folks out of the discussion.

[@n.manasseh8615]

Why are we talking about Ivy League Schools? Those are Private Schools. DEI applies to Public schools. Public schools have the mandate to educate the Public. Not Private schools.

[@shinjk2527]

If you want to study at good schools, study hard, period. If you want to play in MLB, practice hard, period.

[@SurgeryIsWoke]

@shinjk2527 Poor white people get done the worst when politicians lie to them about affirmative action. They’re so focused on the Blacks not getting something they “didn’t earn” they don’t notice legacy admissions still protecting the elites. *_Black free speech soon banned_*

[@dashikimeclothing2908]

I’m an African immigrant, and I believe that ending race based affirmative action is actually good. Blacks who get in will receive more respect for their hardwork. My wife was top of her medical school class but she still gets disrespected because people assume that she got in because of her skin color. I don’t want my children’s academic achievement to ever be looked down upon because of their skin color. We black people need to wake up, stop whining, and compete like everyone else. We are already better in many things so I believe we can be best in academics too.

[@destaccado]

Good for you and your wife. Keep striving as a pair of winners and you'll both keep seeing results!

[@dashikimeclothing2908]

@@destaccado thank you

[@Shineynsparkles]

I have many drs , engineers etc in my family ! We all got degrees and experience and are wealthy cause we put in effort !! But don’t be blind you can be the smartest person in the room , have all the accolades and they will still try you !!!

[@ImaniBelle-tu5nu]

You need to achieve your goals in your country

[@dashikimeclothing2908]

@@ImaniBelle-tu5nu haha. I’m American so what’s your point? America has always had immigrants. Will you say the same about Elon Musk?

[@johnslims4006]

This is just proving the supreme court was right all along

[@vernsum89]

I have taught business school undergraduates who graduated high school pre Covid and during Covid. Based on my experience going ACT/SAT blind during Covid resulted in the admission of too many students who do not have the academic horsepower to succeed at college. It is a frustrating and demotivating experience for them and sets them up for failure in college and the post-graduate job market. Unfortunately, but it is a reality, most of these students are from black or brown communities. In a normal ACT/SAT environment they would not have been admitted. We can have a debate about the morals of testing but it is the reality today. The government needs to fix the education issue at the start of the education cycle by providing more resources to the communities that need it, not try to compensate for it at the end of the cycle.

[@alangivre2474]

It is good!!! MIT was discriminating against Asians!!!!!!

[@PanAfricanFirst]

We as African Americans need to stop fighting for diversity in schools. We have HBCU universities, its time for us to become more self sufficient.

[@vrherath]

MIT does not practice legacy admissions

[@prodigalpriest]

Not for twenty years they haven't.

[@Eric-e3m]

Interestingly enough, the Supreme Court said nothing about legacy/white privilege affirmative action.

[@captainlinsano7739]

Wasn’t the complaint of the plaintiffs. It should absolutely be abolished though and many schools are doing that

[@anonymoususer4376]

I'm against legacy applicants but its not against the law so SCOTUS has nothing to do with it. Some states have passed legislation requiring schools to remove it. That's the path they should take.

[@PapeySapote]

That shouldn’t exist either.

[@AntonioRivera28]

because the supreme court can only answer questions brought to them. so why would they? this is such a stupid statement to make as if it made some sort of point

[@Corey_Otis]

​@@PapeySapoteWell good thing it doesn't. The only white privilege alive today are white liberals being able to be racist while being "anti racist"

[@ajourneywithmyfather1980]

It amazes me how many people don't understand how personal bias effects decisions. The perception of an already racially biased individual directly affects how that person makes decisions. Gender bias as well as thoughts on financial status affects who a person might see greater or less potential thus causing them to chose one person over the other.

[@AlymyrosMekare]

they understand

[@sparingharbor2600]

The kind of things you have to tell yourself to create a false berate is truly astounding. With affirmative action it showed Asian minority kids had to score much higher to get in… making it systemic discrimination against them.. now more of them gets selected showing hardworking and competitive minority kids are getting the chances they deserve.., or are Asian kids not a minority who deserve justice in ur eyes?

[@sparingharbor2600]

The kind of things you have to tell yourself to create a false berate is truly astounding. With affirmative action it showed Asian minority kids had to score much higher to get in… making it systemic discrimination against them.. now more of them gets selected showing hardworking and competitive minority kids are getting the chances they deserve.., or are Asian kids not a minority who deserve to get in with same effort?

[@AbsurdCats]

@@sparingharbor2600 The issue is more nuanced, and you are looking only at test scores. My poor white rural area has smart kids that deserve a shot, but poverty and impoverished public schools may result in lower test scores, while the student is capable of adding value to the educational institution, their community and their families with a degree. It’s bigger than test scores. It’s about who you will be and what you will bring to our community and world with what you do in life.

[@sparingharbor2600]

@@AbsurdCats a race based affirmative action system that’s goal is to have a more diverse ethnic income batch would not help that either. And yes the issue is more nuanced as to saying if you are this color you can get in with. Lower score… poverty exists regardless of skin color and it’s important to help those individuals regardless of their skin color. Also about smart kids scoring low.. you need a system to allow the most deserving people to get in regardless of skin color … and you can’t just be like I feel like they are smarter … that’s y we have objective measurements

[@tube95759]

Applications should not include gender nor race nor religion. Should be based on merits.

[@RealJackHQ]

It is sad. If we made affirmative action based on class and not race, I think it would be a worthy compromise that would make opponents to race-based affirmative action happy while helping more Black students be able to apply to prestigious schools like MIT in order to further their educational freedom, given that Black families tend to have more difficulty when it comes to garnering income necessary to have peace of mind.

[@qatarworldcupwinnermessi]

No, there would still be complaints.

[@RealJackHQ]

@@qatarworldcupwinnermessi Well then at that point we’re just gonna have to blast through all the negative noise because these statistics don’t lie. If you’re willing to compromise reasonably but someone else isn’t just keep walking.

[@AntonioRivera28]

democrats are too racist to want to help poor people of certain races. affirmative action mainly helped people of color from more affluent backgrounds too. and yet they still defended it despite that. because race matters more than actually helping people that need it to them

[@RealJackHQ]

@RichardSorenson I see. Well, we can always revert back to that important nuance. It’s never too late ☝️.

[@RealJackHQ]

@RichardSorenson Oh you think colleges will just follow my compromise idea on their own? 💁🏻‍♂️😃

[@MrKzup]

It is interesting that in the class of 2027 the percentages do not add up to 100% but to 112%. Were biracial students counted twice? This artificially increases the extent of the effect and makes it difficult to make precise comparisons. I hate such sloppiness (if not downright manipulation) One can conclude from this data that the affirmative action mainly hurt Asian American students (which they have alleged all along), helped Black and Hispanic students, and did not affect whites at all The lesson seems to be that if you want to succeed, do whatever Asian Americans have been doing.

[@MrKzup]

@RichardSorenson and yet it somehow eludes many

[@douglaspickens4484]

Those percentages aren't "of the class," they're gain/loss percentages within each group. ie: 100 Asians last year, 107 this year. The reason the lost percentages don't equal the gain is that there were (many) more Asian students than black+Hispanic students compounded with the fact that total class size is likely not the exact same number. Stats given in percentages need to be carefully considered by the interpreter. I guess that's really any type of stat, come to think of it.

[@MrKzup]

​@@douglaspickens4484your way is extremely obscure and I seriously doubt this is what MIT wanted to convey. Even the title of the figure is Class Profiles. I think that it simply includes students that identified as more than one race

[@Brandon54545454]

It’s because white students still have affirmative action action on their side. Once they stop legacy admission, you’ll see a drop.

[@JeanPierreWhite]

Lol. I hadn't noticed that. Something is awry here. If you go to MIT's website it says the following in a footnote to the statistics. Total exceeds 100% as students may indicate more than one option All percentages rounded to nearest whole number. That's all well and good, but why does the class of 2027 get very close to 100% while 2028 does not by a significant factor. Something changed from class of 2027 to class of 2028. An explanation is that affirmative action was restricting bi-racial students as well as asian students. That may be the reality here.

[@Adam-mj5hl]

I agree with the professor that there are systemic racism and socioeconomic inequality factors that are responsible for the underrepresentation of black and Hispanic students in selective universities. But I don’t understand why the answer is to correct the problem at the college admissions level by lowering the bar for black and Hispanic students. Instead, wouldn’t the answer be to correct the problem on the other end, at the elementary school, middle school and high school levels by making sure black and Hispanic students had access to adequate textbooks, school supplies, and after school tutoring programs? By only addressing the problem at the college admissions level, you are doing nothing to correct the root of the systemic problem.

[@jonnyfendi2003]

You are completely ignoring the fact that these Asian kids also come from poor households which throw your argument completely off. Get it through your head that it is the culture that keeps black and hispanic students behind.

[@von1glik]

The difference is the priority asian parents place on education. If the parent is committed to its kids success it is the crucial factor. If they are not not even the best schools, free books and opportunities given will be enough. This is why asians are doing so much better despite having similar wealth& discrimination backgrounds.

[@YourReply]

This should be a pinned comment

[@rebelgreen2398]

Asian and Indian families place way more emphasis on academics than white, black, or Hispanic families. I work in a very diverse high school and it’s obvious.

[@emjay2045]

Yes

[@jq2639]

Where is the law banning legacy admissions for elites?

[@ArtVandalay-ly2si]

Like the sons of former football players who got nepotism scholarships?

[@LadieKadie]

Like Lebron James midwit son?

[@psychospeech6189]

MiT doesn't have legacy admissions

[@jq2639]

The entire Ivy League has legacy admissions.

[@cl10367]

@@jq2639 MIT isn't ivy league

[@bookovza3925]

Oh no! Merit! our worst fear!!!

[@latlj1283]

Great to hear this news.

[@chesscomsupport8689]

Seriously, is no one going to point out that the percentages for the class of '27 add up to well over 100%? Apparently the Supreme Court ruling also improved MIT's ability to do math.

[@zs3657]

It's such an embarrassment! Their desire to show -10% goes beyond everything 😂

[@gregweatherup9596]

Biracial and multiracial students getting counted two or more times perhaps? The delta also doesn’t add up (where did the other 11% go?).

[@chesscomsupport8689]

@@gregweatherup9596 That makes sense, but then the question is why the same is not done for the '28 class. Did MIT go from allowing students to check off multiple boxes to making them pick one?

[@gregweatherup9596]

@@chesscomsupport8689 I noticed that as well.

[@bloodspartan300]

Why is that their worst fear???

[@chrislaustin]

What I find so funny about all of this, is how "affirmative action" & "DEI" hire Clarence Thomas was all for ending this, and then claiming he didn't know what it was(rules for thee, but none for me).

[@Dantana424]

How did the new black judge vote? Her color is the only reason she's in the Supreme Court

[@marchathomas]

He's also against interracial marriage....

[@bethanyhealy4989]

Maybe we should have a law against Asian students being so smart.

[@PapeySapote]

@@marchathomasno he isn’t

[@clifton6919]

​@@marchathomasIsn't he married to a white woman? 🧢

[@mypassion2563]

Why is this a fear? What’s wrong when a school is on meritocracy? You work hard, you get what you earned for. Race has nothing to do with merit.

[@linmengshi2008]

Qualified students got in MIT, not based on race, which is good for America.

[@brickmansconstruction8696]

“Making test scores optional for black students? So black students need all this help? Or are you forcing them to do shjt they don’t wanna do!?!

[@calvingeorge2412]

It's not merit based now, its wealth and opportunity based. They are enforcing segregation.

[@casanova0102]

Most of them Asians are poor

[@ghfjek84]

So why only Asian share increased? Seems like merit to me

[@osceHD]

@@ghfjek84because Asian Americans have the highest income on average than all the other ethnicities including white. Because Asian Americans didn’t come as slaves, and have immigrated on average already wealthier than other groups. Asian Americans also benefit of positive bias due to the the model minority stereotype. They have also given more opportunities than blacks and hispanics as a way to reinforce the stereotype as way to justify prejudice against other ethnic groups.

[@sparingharbor2600]

@@osceHDthat’s not true actually nor fair. Most Asian kids are kids of first generation parents who started from zero here and then had to face biases in the systems like any other minority. Just because they excel and work hard doesn’t mean they are favored… that dismantles most theories of systemic racism… limiting talented students from getting in is discrimination and when you do it based on the race effecting certain races more…thats racist discrimination. Most Asian kids get in with high scores… not donations.

[@sparingharbor2600]

@@osceHDthe model minority stereotype was created because they are hardworking and committed individuals… and in America that type of people gets to go up.. it is the American dream. Can’t discriminate based on that. The statement that Asians receive more opportunities is false as proven by every study where Asian students have to score much higher than all the other students to get into the same schools. If there was a bias that favored them they’d be getting in with lower scores…. Oh wait…. Who used to be able to do that with affirmative action !?!?

[@happyzahn8031]

Why this guy so focused on 'race'? He is just promoting continued racism. Lets concentrate on people's character and ability.

[@NeygarzruinedAmerica]

Blaks and some Latinos(mixed with blak) can't accept they failed. Now they wanna tear down Asians and Indians

[@freddyt55555]

0:08 - "Less diverse" = "Too many Asians", is it?

[@latlj1283]

Deep inside MIT is very happy with the result.

[@FutureCommentary1]

I don't know why the media always focuses their attention on like 10 universities. What is happening below the Ivy Leagues, Stanford, Berkeley etc.? What's happening in the extremely good public universities like U. Wash, Bama, Michigan and all the other lesser talked about schools?

[@RealJackHQ]

Interesting point 🫵

[@sonyak8416]

Just pointing out Berkeley is a public school.

[@olegstens7734]

The University of California system has had race-blind admissions for a long time, and is one of the finest education systems ever created. They produced our current VP.

[@FutureCommentary1]

@@sonyak8416 Yes I know I could have put them in the same line as U Wash. UC system in general has some great schools.

[@FutureCommentary1]

@@olegstens7734 Do you know if the make up of the student body aligns with the make up of the State? I'm guessing not but I wonder of its lack of opportunity or interest.

[@sharonlevy5993]

Why this is a problem to select the best ignoring their race?

[@USA55412]

Stop lowering standards for certain races . Enough of this race based advantage garbage. Merit is all that should matter

[@aem870]

The white percentage went down, the racists thought it would go up 🤣🤣

[@aviation11000]

They were too dumb to understand that according to every legitimate study conducted on Affirmative Action, the demographic that benefitted by far the most were white women

[@kilamoblack7532]

The focus should be on addressing structural inequality and providing more funding for HBCUs. Affirmative action was a flawed policy, especially considering that 80% of its beneficiaries were white women, even though it's often associated with Black communities. I'm relieved it's been eliminated. The irony is that Ivy League schools are aware that many Asian households are gaming the system, but they seem unsure of how to respond. However, with the decline in white enrollment, I'm confident they'll find a solution soon enough.

[@asheshchokhawala6670]

This just prove that affirmative action was hurting Asian American applicants.

[@sunnyboi1221]

This will shine a light on inequality in secondary schools. I know a lot of rich families pay for private schooling because they help them get their kids into top schools more than public schools.

[@ElethuDuna]

It's not meritocracy when people don't reveive the same basic education and it boils down to resources. Who can afford private education and tutoring. This is why black children are left out, thier parents simply don't have the resources. The palying field is not at all level.

[@AntonioRivera28]

you dont fix that at the college level. federal goverment already pumps billions into predominantly black schools. what are those schools doing with that money that could otherwise be used to help fix that problem?

[@khiemdee4573]

What about parents who don’t speak the native language and just came to this country? Where is their resources?

[@AntonioRivera28]

@@khiemdee4573 why tf are they moving to a country without first learning the language? thats their own problem they caused for themselves

[@malstrom2x]

So… we gonna ignore the drop in Asian students at other universities? Yale… Princeton…duke..?

[@Lp0tr33]

Now show the increase in test scores.

[@paulwilson5000]

Need to change the title of this segment. MIT Has the highest incoming class in history

[@Navigator2166]

It's a shame educational institutions have to perform studies to show what logically we knew would be the outcome. 😔

[@sparingharbor2600]

Yeah a fairer merit based access.. exactly what we wanted

[@GuliversTravelocity]

​@@sparingharbor2600Yes, because historically white men have gotten into positions of power based on their qualifications... Not name, or race alone...

[@rongent4882]

@@GuliversTravelocitylol

[@bethanyhealy4989]

are asians not minorities?

[@sparingharbor2600]

@@GuliversTravelocity historically doesn’t mean that’s what’s happening now.. if you look at the study it shows Asians got in more.,, and that’s a fair assessment from when Asians had to score much higher to get into the same universities … which was a form of discrimination… can’t cherry pick which minorities gets to get in with lower scores based on skin color like that… no no.. that’s the same as when whites got preferential treatment

[@1OO_k]

If blacks can’t get ahead without AA then maybe it’s time to look inwards…

[@marksimmelkjaer7841]

Athletics based admission advantages overwhelmingly favor the affluent and privileged too.

[@cultureal9544]

Tuition is too high, Higher Education peeps.

[@1934jackson]

Right, thats the part that higher education professionals don’t want to talk about …

[@jallen1227]

@@1934jackson Not quite

[@jallen1227]

@@1934jackson True, that's the part when President Clinton and the administration decided everyone needed a college degree making it easier for people to get student loans disturbing the demand and supply equation

[@viorelkhankevych9823]

Education is about science and merits and not about diversity.

[@captainlinsano7739]

This is a victory for the Plaintiffs in the SC ruling, who are actually being left out of the discussions in the media curiously. Let’s not forget it was the AA double standards of these elite schools (and probably less than elite) rejecting Asian applicants for no other reason than they were part of an overwhelmingly dominant academic culture. Not their fault they work much much harder to qualify even as the double standards were applied to them they were too exceptional to ignore.

[@steve19811]

You can thank the Conservative Supreme Court for this ruling. They actually have principles. Bravo.

[@captainlinsano7739]

The professor says “this is the opposite of when merit is the factor [in admissions]”. Actually this is exactly the outcome, people get in based on merit. And you have fewer students dropping out because they weren’t prepared for the rigors of an elite school. You want “access?” Based on what, your skin color? According to him, yes. How embarrassing for Princeton

[@joko09010]

If your family can get you into exclusive private K-12, pay for college counseling, test prep and multiple sittings for entry exams, that would be the “merit” consideration he’s talking about, but it isn’t necessarily what really counts on the whole. All the wealthy elite families who are already connected have a huge jump on that “merit” measurement. How can an average low income student compete with that leg up when they’ve had to work a job while attending the local public high school?

[@andyj8859]

@@joko09010good, focus on that then, why punishing smart, hard working asian students and their immigrant parents for what they can't control. we all know patching it up with a bandage at the end of the process isnt the solution. its screaming racism in the name of diversity.

[@captainlinsano7739]

@@joko09010 lower income students achieving scholastically? it happens on the regular. It depends where your values are and if the home environment supports that or not. Ask yourself why DiBlasio tried to eliminate the SHSAT? WHO were lowest socioeconomic class by ethnicity, and yet completely dominating the exams? I’ll give you a hint, they are the same ones who were being unfairly rejected by these elite schools. The people that are being left out NOW aren’t your inner city examples deprived of educational access, they are coming from well to do families of black parents. The only affirmative action that makes sense then should be based on socioeconomic not race, which some schools like Johnson Hopkins have adopted. Asian parents sacrifice everything to get those resources you speak of. They shouldn’t be punished with nonsense holistic standards while being expected to score 400 points higher on their SATs just because they were trained at an early age to excel academically.

[@captainlinsano7739]

@@joko09010 for some reason my replies keep getting deleted (MSNBC, I promise the comments section isn’t that soft)… schools like Hopkins are adapting the socioeconomic method to their admissions process and that’s the factor that should be weighted, not race. The fact that Asians account for almost HALF of MIT class 2028 is a testament to a culture of inculcating scholarly excellence from the earliest of ages and they should be rewarded not punished for it

[@joko09010]

@@andyj8859 It’s not always the “book smartest” that is the most deserving of a spot anywhere. It’s the “whole person” that should be considered. What is so hard to understand about that? Believe me, as a lawyer I can tell you it’s not always the ones who come from rich families or Ivy League schools who are the best thinkers and the most ethical.

[@thebaldmonk621]

Rewards SHOULD be based upon Achievement, not birth status.

[@sandovalperry2895]

Asian still believe that if you study hard and work hard you will succeed in America. Even when barriers are placed in their way they still believe. Asian believe that if they fail it’s because they haven’t worked hard enough not because others have caused them to fail.

[@newtrollaccount384]

Remember the cheating scandal with Aunt Becky? Do you honestly think no Asians were involved in that? Aunt Becky and the lady from Desperate Housewives became the face of that because they are celebrities.

[@NeygarzruinedAmerica]

That's why they succeed and you are losers. Cry more

[@ediddy310310]

Good, everything should be based on a meritocracy and not race. Earn your way in equally like everyone else has to. No more handouts.

[@port525]

Do you want DEI involved in designing your space craft ?

[@FreeofChaos]

Why not?! Numbers and physics doesn't care about color.

[@JeanPierreWhite]

Quote: Boeing has implemented affirmative action programs to support equal employment opportunity and advance the employment of minorities, women, protected veterans, and people with disabilities. Ask the two astronauts stuck in space right now how they feel about that.

[@RK-ti2qq]

How is this news? The rigging of the game stopped, and results changed. That's to be expected. But these stories are just about stoking tensions anyway.

[@MarkoNuckols]

I went to twoIvy grad programs. The AAs were clearly unqualified. They need to go.

[@PD55_]

Historical racism is not "cured" with a new flavors of racism. Admission selection based on independently verified merit is the only way to be "fair". Let's also eliminate buying admissions via wealth "donations", or is that a red line too far?

[@Jay-Kay-Buwembo]

But America isn't a meritocracy when income levels have such a large determination on prospects, quality of schooling, early learning outcomes etc.

[@PD55_]

@@Jay-Kay-Buwembo in 1970s NYC you could get a free college education regardless of income. You just had to show good grades and test scores in public high school. Race or religion did not matter. When affirmative action came in, and anyone could attend regardless of grades, costs and fees also started, unprepared students packed remedial classes, graduation rates plummeted. And once the student loan scam started, you got people who did not graduate but had a boatload of lifetime debt. That free education was a blessing my entire life, allowing me to break out of a poor rent-controlled environment. It just took s little extra work in school. And NYC used to think it was a worthwhile investment in their own citizens to help them out of poverty. What happened?

[@Jay-Kay-Buwembo]

@@PD55_ I think a lot of leftist progressive ideas in education and schooling are designed to maintain the gap between the haves and the have nots. There needs to be high standards for education and schooling and I have seen many American teachers who teach abroad talking about the way children abroad are educated at a higher standard & introduced to more complex concepts earlier.

[@mattyjay8896]

Why do yall always automatically think that poc need your help or 'assistance' to thrive in the human experience. Seems like you're judging people primarily on skin color. 🤔

[@Ricky-g6i]

Because they think whites are superior.

[@bayousbambino427]

It's the woke anti-racism racist way: divide everyone up into amorphous groups based on what you feel about each person's skin colour, racial self-identification, and gender self-identification, map "intersecionalities", and rank everyone according to how much victimhood you feel they've suffered through a historical narrative you've constructed out of whatever you feel is true. It's got nothing to do with truth, facts, or accuracy, whether about a whole nation's history or every individual's personal story (including their abilities). It's entirely about feelings--how each devotee of wokeism feels about themselves, ultimately.

[@maneshipocrates2264]

White people needed assistance for over 500 years during slavery. What is wrong with giving black a 5% chance?

[@CrniWuk]

You don't have to "judge" people based on their skin colour to understand that some people experience disadvantages simply due to their skin colour or other characteristics. That is sadly a fact of our societies. That we have very often people make decisions based on "stereotypes" and not truly on "merit". There is like really a lot of extremely well done research to back this up. However, it is of course debatable what the correct way would to deal with this. And what ever if the "assistance" as how you put it, is the right way to deal with it or not.

[@bayousbambino427]

@@CrniWuk Assuming there even are "advantages to skin colour" (it would be interesting to hear you list them, given I know caucasian people who grew up poor and without advantages and it's a demonstrable fact they're not alone; not by a long shot), the answer to them is other advantages to skin colour? And, if people make decisions based on stereotypes, rather than truly on merit, then people of all races do so, given they're all people. How, then, does DEI help those, including caucasians, who're at the receiving end of the stereotype-driven assumptions of a person of sub-Saharan African descent? It doesn't seem to at all, given "black bussinesses" and "black colleges" are celebrated by the same people who love DEI. Or did you mean "white people make decisions based on stereotypes"?

[@JeanPierreWhite]

"Remember affirmative action is not an issue for the local community college, it is not an issue for institutions that are not top ranking schools in the state". "The inequality in high schools, the inequality in an elementary school, who gets access to headstart". So there is bias everywhere in education from elementary all the way up to top tier colleges EXCEPT community colleges which are just fine. Huh? If there is bias in education let's talk about it, but exempt community colleges? Clearly this dude thinks community colleges are weak sauce. Maybe because he's at a "superior" university and they deserve special treatment, because they are special. I see how it is.

[@Ivan-si1oc]

Wouldnt it be better to do affirmative action based on income and to also remove legacy

[@newtrollaccount384]

No. AA was put in place to help Black people gain opportunity in a society that discriminates against them based on race.

[@hypocritesavant]

extremely biased report

[@williamliamsmith4923]

Meanwhile not many Asians or Indians are being admitted in sports teams.

[@bayousbambino427]

Shhh... Only certain imbalances matter. Because feelings.

[@captainlinsano7739]

@@itsvictoroyedejihe’s talking about the basketball and football squads. But we only want the best of the best on those teams, right?

[@user-fb6hy2eh5y]

@@captainlinsano7739 They get 1 kicker and 1 safety. What more do you want!

[@neverbackdown1918]

@@itsvictoroyedeji you know exactly what he’s talking about dude. The NBA and NFL are two of the least racially diverse sports in the United States. The NBA is like 70% black and the NFL is like 53.5 at a low estimate. College football numbers are roughly the same. Yet I don’t see black people advocating for many Asians or Latinos to get football or basketball scholarships just for the sake of diversity. Wonder why that is 🤔

[@nwilson120]

As a black person, I say that they should be the majority of sports teams. I don't watch that garbage anyways.

[@hammockcamping2500]

It would be refreshing if a major news organization explained the other side of the argument, namely that merit IS supremely important and that pushing minoriites into acadmemic environments for whch they are not prepared is not fair to Asians and Whites and it isn't fair to minorities either. Heather Mac Donald should be consulted by any news organization that wants to see the other side of the argument.

[@cl10367]

+1 on heather macdonald. But the media might be more interested in the debate between professors Loury and Kennedy on the topic.

[@hammockcamping2500]

@@cl10367 Glenn Loury? Which Kennedy?

[@cl10367]

@@hammockcamping2500 I think processor Kennedy's first name is Randall

[@rrmuf]

As a young Canadian I never understood the need for affirmative action. But, as an executive with managers and staff in the US, I was almost constantly reminded of the insidious nature of systemic inequality. There is no need to give blacks “a leg up”; they just need a level playing field in an environment that works against them. THAT is what Affirmative Action does. Maybe, some day, it won’t be needed but that day is atleast one generation away.

[@clifton6919]

You can't fight racism with racism.

[@AntonioRivera28]

affirmative action never did that. and systemic inequality died out years ago towards blacks. towards whites and asians, that policy was a cemented in systemic inequality that hurt them. most people that benefited from affirmative action were from the upper middle class and up. there is nothing systemic holding them back since they are clearly successful already in life and did not need the help.

[@TimHamilton-hy5jt]

There is no “systemic inequality” based on color of skin. You’re sold on the delusion.

[@rrmuf]

@@clifton6919 I agree, but my understanding is that this is just to ensue that the playing field is fair and level.

[@kathleendantzler]

I only applied for an university that I knew I was qualified for. I went to a public state university. I knew I couldn’t make it at an Ivy League. This news might put a fire under black applicants to work harder and smarter if they want to get into the top universities. This could be a blessing in disguise. I think in a few years we might see the numbers rise.

[@newtrollaccount384]

You're not who AA was for Kathleen.

[@kathleendantzler]

@@newtrollaccount384 I believe AA was originally intended for qualified black Americans who were historically denied opportunities at schools and workplaces based on their race. Other ethnicities and women were eventually included into affirmative action. If I’m qualified for a spot at a school and I’m under represented based on my race, I should qualify for AA. So affirmative was intended for me, I only applied for a school that o was qualified for.

[@ReineDeLaSeine14]

I went to a public state university as well and am glad I did. They had the resources to provide the technology I needed to study with my disabilities. Had I gone to Yale I would have had to provide it myself…and it is EXPENSIVE.

[@Hamish-f4b]

We did have affirmative action for decades, which did increase the talent pool for blacks in education-required vocations. It was not supposed to be a permanent policy. It was meant as a 'levelling' program.

[@TA_Plus_Hemi]

Actually it was originally meant to be more of a launch pad to leveling and was supposed to die out as leveling happened

[@lukewalker4813]

Asians gain success through hard work and education in a stable home. Blacks have the opposite problem.

[@noahghost4476]

The fact that so many MSNBC viewers in this comments section agree with you and disagree with the guy being interviewed is definitely a good sign. Affirmative action is just plain unwise. Counterproductive. Humiliating for people of color as they walk across campus or through their place of employment and have to know that people are assuming they are there only because of an unfair advantage they were given.

[@sofiae323]

Unfortunately there is still a lot of systemic racism in our country.

[@MITdork]

Learned helplessness