Exposing The Elder Scrolls Online | MMOs Exposed

[@0That_Guy0]

I can't express well enough how much I hate it when a studio puts up a paywall for my bag space.

[@pklemming]

It is not really the bag space. It is the damn craft bag that is so hard to do without.

[@reigo141]

@@pklemming its easy to do without craftingbag. You can use bank as craftingbag

[@peggymoexd]

@@reigo141 nahhhhhhhh I have around 10k hours in eso. The crafting bag is basically a must have. Bank space only goes up to 200 if I recall correctly. Its probably the scummiest part of the whole game. I'm not saying its impossible, but its definitely not "easy"

[@kevino.rivera2556]

@@peggymoexd 240, the only way to get around it is doing sketchy things ZOS don't like. Like guild banks (which I use), extra 500 slots -1 guild slot, I know some people with 2 guild banks for that.

[@peggymoexd]

@@kevino.rivera2556 oh true I forgot about guild banks too. I haven’t played since 2019 that’s why I wasn’t sure.

[@darthstigater6642]

I think the endeavors were put in to get them around certain gaming/gambling laws in certain countries.

[@pklemming]

An alternate means of getting those items was required by MS when they were bought out.

[@autismincarnate3433]

​@@pklemming One thing I love and hate about xb they don't like locking people out. All pre order bonuses on games are also required to be able to be purchased at some point for all games on xbox

[@dimitrivanwaelvekde9061]

Yess

[@Realmreaver1]

I think endeavors is a joke. I earned stuff but it simply takes too long.

[@pklemming]

@@Realmreaver1 I just ignore them for a long time, then get a surprise at what I have. I have bought a couple of 16k mounts now and several other things, that I would never have spent crowns. I actually go out of my way to not give ZoS any more money than possible, for their whole attitude as a company. Still, miffed by the whole RIch thing. Then as a counterpoint are Ludeon Software, where I will buy upgrades directly from them, rather than Steam, so they get more money from me, because, as a firm, they really do listen to the playerbase.

[@brindle21]

If you want a comprehensive, fair and honest review of any game, Mitch is your guy! Love your honesty, and how you thread humour into your analysis. This is a brilliant series, already curious to know which one is next. Also love that you put the time into playing the game, so many don't but feel they can comment after a couple of hours. Just love your channel, you are such a professional, and what really shines through is that you do this because you love producing quality material, rather than chasing the dollar. Awesome content, and you seem like an awesome guy!

[@MissFirefly11]

100% this :)

[@ZishaMadeit]

Elder Scrolls theme song never gets old

[@Kaves253]

it's the Skyrim theme, to be exact.

[@Ilzhain]

@@Kaves253 the same motif has been used in the themes of Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim and ESO.

[@Cigybutt]

@@Kaves253 It's the theme from Oblivion and Morrowind too, "to be exact".

[@regntonne]

Dovakihn Dovakihn Dohohohovakihn!

[@tuggernuts685]

Sounds like pirates of the Caribbean in the beginning 🤷

[@dragonriderabens9761]

when it comes to difficulty, I wish there was something in between. something that is isn't ball-crushingly difficult like Veterans are, but something that still offers more of a challenge than normal dungeons and open world do

[@Mystra]

Veterans are not hard you suck 😂

[@ElderScrollsLorecast]

Agreed. I get their reasoning, but it seems there's a middle demographic that's not quite served.

[@flonyme8174]

They do normal is super easy. Then there is vet which is basically normal difficulty. Then there is hard mode veteran for the try hards or people like myself who have fun getting all the hard mode content done.

[@Bobobobobob741]

Veteran /is/ the medium content. The ball-crushing is in Vet hardmodes and achievement trifectas (speedrun/deathless/hardmode).

[@eget4144]

There is ESO. Base game dungeon veterans are easy. Old dlc dungeon veterans are moderate, HMs are hard. New dlc du geons are hard.

[@the8thknight178]

We need the adventures of swtor back. This time it will be the apprentice of the powerful Galacticchad

[@andrewtaylor940]

They just added a wooden stick weapon. I can see Mitch having some absurd fun with that

[@the8thknight178]

@@andrewtaylor940 Galacticchad had trained him well

[@StarseedResistance]

The point of this series is to review MMOs he doesn't need to review that MMO again it has not done anything significant and really hasn't done Jack shit in a long time and to be honest it's a shallow piece of crap. Way better games to spend your time on.

[@MitchManix]

It's not a case of if he will return, but when......

[@the8thknight178]

@@MitchManix The Galaxy needs him...

[@legofan4409]

Technically the Coldharbour quest is, afaIk, the true start of the game which then sends you to Stros M'Kai. Something I want to mention is that this game is very rewarding if you take your time to do all the zone quests in chronological order. Old characters return for DLC zones and you will be given exclusive dialgoue options if you''ve completed the old quests in the base game. I absolutely love this as it feels incredibly rewarding to have an exclusive quest experience based on your previous adventuring. Reading the lore books in each zone is also great as that gives you more info about the world. My first ES game was Skyrim and I didn't know any lore and was overall confused, but I always wondered what was beyond the borders of Skyrim. Playing ESO made me fall in love with the franchise and gave me an in-depth look and appreciation for the lore. The base game and dlc zones do a great job of immersing you in the lore for the various races and the world, which is great IMO.

[@Sapsche]

You're right about Coldharbour being the true start of the game, Stros M'kai is only the starter zone for the Daggerfall faction though, Khenarthi's Roost the one for Aldmeri players and Ebonheart folks are sent to Bleakrock Isle.

[@whackronomicon]

Even doing quests as different races gives you different dialogs sometimes. I wish they'd do this more, like where you can use the Persuade or Intimidate skills, you could be rewarded with a different option (or not) by being a specfic race.

[@legofan4409]

@@whackronomicon That would be cool! I really loved that they added the crafting skill lines in Necrom for dialogue options, IIRC there was some quest where poison was involved, and if you had alchemy at 10 you were given an additional dialogue option.

[@LyranVega]

Yes the lore of Elder Scrolls is definitely one of the best in video game history..

[@AlexComey]

Try oblivion, id suggest vanilla as doesnt particularly need mods for the most part. Skyrim has a less polished charm, but is very humorous and the quests are very gppd for the most part.@@legofan4409

[@MissFirefly11]

The intro to this was amazing! I really love ESO (3000+ hours now) but have to agree the monetisation can be a bit much sometimes. Great video, and very fair review!

[@Botix330]

didnt they make it so you can earn loot boxes in game?

[@KaisersGB]

What only around 3k pfft 😏 Jokes aside this is a great game I have a large investment of time as well and usually use this game as a way to decompress and have fun with the wife when she gets on 😄 Do wish they would stop trying to grab my wallet so much though

[@MissFirefly11]

@@KaisersGB Oh same! I agree its a great game to play with the other half too though ^^ so much fun!

[@HiHelloHi]

@@Botix330 No, you earn currency through weekly / daily quests that lets you save up and buy the items in the crate itself. Takes I think about 6 months to get the really really rare mounts in the crates, but then you have to wait for a good mount to be back in the current running crates, so targeting a specific one from a specific crate can take a long time

[@sarkis951]

Yeah, I wanted to buy a really cool house... which was 14k crowns, basically almost 100$, and no ingame gold option... no thanks.

[@lunariasong73]

Dude, Im SO glad you used the saga anthem as your intro music!! I loved that so much hearing it.

[@ImortalEnvy]

The fact that the game limits your bag space just to buy the sub for infinite space kills me

[@Seoul_Soldier]

That's honestly the main reason I don't play it.

[@Kaves253]

Not to mention that 5 professions gives you a bunch of mats each day, trying to push you for the sub.

[@Hyperion-i9e]

gringo mentiroso da porra, pode comprar espaço por ouro

[@omensoffate]

@@Kaves253cmon you know you wanna 😂

[@jackieaung4354]

My first mmorpg is gw2. so not having an option to one click and send all of my materials to materials bank make me appreciate gw2 systems more. Gw 2 also has an auction system where you can list your items wherever you are from. Unlike eso, where i can't sell my materials because no one accepted new players like me into their trader guild. Other than that, eso questing is fun.

[@simonholmes6473]

It should also be noted that the Guild traders (ESO answer to Auction House) is horrendous! If you want to sell anything you need to be in a guild that owns spots where people might actually buy your stuff and those guilds usually have quotas that mean you aren't going to be using this feature casually. And the fact the AH is basically split up across vendors spread all over the world, you'll be fine if you want to buy readily available crafting mats and the like but if you want something more specific you can end up travelling the length and breadth of Tamriel desperately trying to find someone selling the item that you would have found in minutes with a proper AH system.

[@jackieaung4354]

I don't understand why they don't do what gw2 did. In gw2, I can easily buy the gear or materials I want, go to black lion trader and collect them. In eso, I apply for multiple trader guilds, I mention I am new who wants to sell materials to free up my bank space and inventory, but none accepted me.

[@salinaember9527]

its annoying but they need gold sinks in the game. they charge a lot of gold so a guild can hold a trader. if they added a global guild trader, they would have to add more gold sinks and guild traders wouldnt really matter. the economy and competitive side of trading would be flipped upside down. also i am in 5 guilds, its not hard to join multiple with traders to maximize your profits

[@simonholmes6473]

@@salinaember9527 I'd take more gold sinks if it meant having a properly useable AH.

[@pklemming]

Trader location sales are only relevant to some stuff. I only sell high value items. My trading guild has passable locations, but not prime ones. I only sell things for 50k or higher, and they usually go within an hour or two of posting. Pots and the likes, I'd imagine, are super dependent on passing foot traffic, but I sell things mostly through people searching through EU TTC.

[@simonholmes6473]

@@pklemming That's another part of the problem. People are actually having to go to an outside website to actually find where to buy stuff, which is pretty awful.

[@Blueychocobo]

Relatively new player here (Only just got my first 50, CP 56 currently) and around 100 hours total play time. It took me a LONG time to get used to the combat and I hated it at first. But once I got to my first DLC dungeon and had to get SWEATY to perform and not die.... I had one of those It's Always Sunny Frank meme moments... I get it now. It clicked for me, and now I LOVE it.

[@lopaca97]

I'm someone with way too many hours in eso and i like watching these kind of videos to see if the creators did justice to the game. This is by far the best eso introduction video i've seen! If you're thinking about playing eso for the first time, this is the only video you need to watch.

[@Yinnster]

God I need a friend like Mitch in my life lol. Thank you for making videos sir. Always brings a smile to my face when I need it most.

[@l0rdfr3nchy7]

0:09 Bro i love your laugh xD i think your laugh in Exanima with the ladder over the head section is the reason i subscribed , the content is secondary lol

[@The_Fearshredder4444]

Ya, if a game puts a paywall in my face before I even leave the character creation screen, I'm getting my refund.

[@benevolentnerd5675]

Monetization like this ultimately means the size of the playerbase can only head downward.

[@jayson9999ful]

You say that, when they still have 26k active on steam alone. and it's way more popular on console. It's not dying anytime soon, especially after 10 years.

[@Pheobus3309]

@@jayson9999ful They didn't say the game was dying. They said that it has a downward trend. There's a distinct difference there.

[@eco_2128]

@@jayson9999ful I also think that the eso launcher is actually more popular. I see far more people using that one over steam.

[@Speaker4theDead]

​@@Pheobus3309thats every game

[@coreybroussard5264]

@@Pheobus3309it’s like saying the sun will set. 🥸 Yes everything goes down overtime nothing is forever it’s the most general time of comment to make ppl feel smart.

[@tracylamb2971]

Love the way that you put all the elements together. As someone that has played TES games since Arena and ESO since launch, off and on ( I didn't really like the game pre-One Tamriel ) I appreciate that you've played the game. It erks me to no end to have someone come in and rate a game off of less than 20 hrs played. Monitization... I'm always of two minds about it. In all the years I've played I've bought exactly two, four packs of crates and both were pretty much for the same reason.. I needed the gems to get something I wanted, from the crown store. All but one of my *fancy* mounts was bought with Endeavors, or Gems from 'free' crates ( I can *not* watch a stream with the best of them), the other mount is an Apex from crates I won in a housing contest. Meaning, I can't / don't understand people saying that it's abusive, there is nothing in the Crown Store that is *NEEDED* to play the game at low or high levels. Buy the bright shiny mount or don't, your choice. Buy the Motif in the Crown Store or don't, most can be earned in game . To me the crappiest thing about the Crown Store is the way that things that CAN be earned in game doesn't have a tag saying that it can be earned IN GAME! So new players might not realize that that really cool motif IS earnable in game and spend IRL money on it... THAT I find shitty in the extreme. There is a lot more I could say.. but I won't.

[@mismismism]

The monetization killed the game for me, it's so ridiculously far beyond the line of too much it's insane. The game is effectively paid sub because I don't know anyone that would willingly go through the pain of playing any game with the inventory issues alone, let alone everything else. The game has pros but the cons are so bad it overshadows the good completely for me. I try to come back but quit every time after like a week.

[@kanegforce3974]

probably the best eso review I have ever seen. Presented in a funny and informative way. love it. BTW I also need godslayer...

[@stinkbanana2522]

Having a hard time really getting into it as a MMO. Mostly been playing it like a single player game, but it did let me be a buff tiger man. I have always wanted to be a buff tiger man.

[@Kuricoon]

Dragon's Dogma 2 let's you be a buff tiger man

[@DeAnavarr]

Join a good guild, type in popular zones that you want to join a guild for new player help, that’s how I really got into eso, mostly the PvP aspect of it

[@Capt.Steele]

Agreed with the angry Brit guy, find a good Guild and I would highly suggest you jump into PvP. It's shocking how fun it can be even at a casual level. The first time I discovered it as a system I think I spent a whole month just there fighting over castles and leading other legions of new players into the fray. Definitely try and jump into the under lvl60 PvP zone though. Great way to introduce yourself to the PvP aspect of the game!

[@supaded973]

It's a good MMO if you have the right experience and people

[@realdragon]

Same, I don't even use class abilities I just swing my big sword and block

[@AmyElnah]

To explain why all the portals after the tutorial were locked off, it's not actually all down to not buying expansions. For a first time character you're locked to just your alliance's starting zone, to put you on a more direct starting path. Any future characters will have at least 4 portals enabled with just the base game: all 3 alliance starting zones and Vvardenfell (which is part of the game's first chapter that they added to the base game).

[@kokocaptainqc]

huh never knew that as my first char was at release...always assumed it was unlocked of you own and locked if you dont

[@AmyElnah]

It's a very recent change, i think only added with the most recent dungeon dlc, Scions of Ithelia.

[@emarskineel]

Good to see your channel blowing up, it was inevitable;D

[@LiquidusSnakeX]

This game would be so much better with an over world that is not completely brain dead easy.

[@KuyruksuzSatyr]

Yeah I just can't get back to the game while I can oneshot %90 of the content

[@morganfreeman5260]

you play a zenimax mmo 😂

[@morganfreeman5260]

nuff said’

[@Formoka]

Strangely, I really like ESO’s graphical style. It’s got more color than Skyrim and it’s really pretty while not drifting too much into realism. There are also some pretty cool armors that I wouldn’t mind wearing.

[@peggymoexd]

As someone who has around 10k hours in ESO, I want to add my thoughts: (2014-2016 were hard years don't judge me 😅) When the game launched, it was a mandatory subscription. Once it went Buy to Play, I kept paying for the sub until I stopped playing actively in 2019. Numerous other MMO's demand a subscription, so I just bit the bullet and looked at it that way. The crafting bag is definitely the scummiest part about the game. If you can deal with paying like $15 a month, you have access to everything in the game (with the exception of the most recent expansion I believe?) plus monthly crowns and other rewards. I am not sticking up for the monetization, I'm just saying that in my opinion the best way to fully enjoy the game is to just pay the monthly sub. Although 90% of my time was spent in cyrodiil, I did all endgame content (that was available until 2019 at least) including the vet dungeons and 12 man trials. All the PvE content is super fun, easy or challenging (and REALLY BEAUTIFUL). You could honestly spend thousands of hours just questing. And it totally has that bethesda "vibe" where you can just run in any direction and find random crazy stuff happening or solving mysteries for npc's in the wilderness. The combat was what kept me around that long as well. I'm 32 and been gaming since I was 7, and some of my best gaming memories ever were made in cyrodiil pvp with my guildies. I've played other mmo's but ESO is the one that kept me around. Yes, the monetization is pretty atrocious, but again, I think the best way to enjoy the game is just pay that sub the same way you would if you played FFXIV, because the amount of content available is insane, and the community is made up of some of the nicest people I've met online, who I'm still friends with to this day!

[@iitzDoom]

I love ESO to death but I will never be able to get deeply into it or tell others to do so with how predatory its monetization is.

[@davidg5077]

As much as I wanted to get into this game, the constant paywalls just didn't allow me to. The moment you start having fun you're bound to hit one.

[@salinaember9527]

eh its like ad blockers. once you get in a groove and start fine tuning your filter settings, you dont even pay attention to it

[@anacronrealz]

What paywalls? All you need is the game and ESO +

[@IndigoFeather]

@@anacronrealzexactly! FF14 has a very similar monetization system: you need to purchase the game, you also need to buy newly released expansions, and you MUST have a subscription. I’ve played both games, and I love them both. They are completely different experiences and are both very worth your time and money. I’ve played pretty much every big MMO there has been, and I’m just grateful that ESO’s monetization is waaay better than Black Desert‘s 😅

[@davidg5077]

It's hard to ignore them when almost all set pieces you're farming for drop in base game zone, while one or two are in dlc, all the cool mounts are in cash shop only, can't get the master crafter achievement unless you pay(jewelry crafting), super limited house furnishing, having 100+gb game on your disc while only 50gb is accessible, etc... As IndigoFeather said it, you MUST have ESO+ otherwise it won't be a very chill and enjoyable experience. And that's my main problem with it. The base game feels like a glorified demo in a way. If it was f2p or had WoWs entry model (play to certain lvl for free and then decide if you want to sub) I wouldn't mind the dlcs nor the sub benefits (cash shop on the other hand is still arguable). When I purchased ESO+ some time back it didn't feel right, I did it cause I was forced to and not out of my pleasure. And that's why I can't and won't support this monetisation model.

[@IndigoFeather]

@@davidg5077 I understand your point of view and it’s valid. However, I probably didn’t explain mine correctly. All major MMOs (WoW, FF14) require you to buy the game, expansion packs, and a subscription. I treat ESO just like any other MMO that requires a subscription. But in this case, I also get free crowns to spend. I save them up and buy something cool, feels quite rewarding, but maybe that’s just me. Again, I totally understand your point of view. There are different players, and we all enjoy different things. I just think that ESO’s monetization model is comparable with other games in the genre, which should not deter players from trying it out, because it’s an amazing game and quite a unique experience. I say, if you’re not sure, wait until it’s on sale and try it out.

[@ValkyrieLadyK]

FYI the tutorial is designed so that you can get a full suit of light, medium, and heavy armor, as well as all the weapon types, along with all the associated skills lines for weapons and armor. Skipping that and leaving empty slots means you're not leveling up those other skill lines.

[@omensoffate]

🤓

[@chrisperry4014]

@@omensoffateyou’re literally commenting on a video about a game where there are lizard people and vampires vs werewolves please sit tf down

[@dRudE-dnb]

I’m also a British guy and an avid ESO enjoyer, predominantly pvp but I play on the PC NA server. This piece of content you’ve made is excellent and is very true.

[@kravez16]

Can’t imagine how bad the lag is for you the EU server is in Germany but it still can get bad can’t imagine NA from Europe 🤣

[@dRudE-dnb]

@@kravez16 No lag, but the ping is 160. Which doesn’t mean much, still managed to get my sorc to #1 on greyhost recently, it’s just a gentlemanly handicap 😁

[@kravez16]

@@dRudE-dnb oh wow fair enough good for you 😂

[@Frostingale]

this is a fantastic review, coming from a veteran endgame player of eso. you've done your research and covered and reviewed things many people don't know about.

[@jacobodom8401]

A veteran mode for the Main Story has been asked by players for years - ZOS doesn't seem to have any interest in adding it. They’re focus on just adding content primarily aimed to casuals and adding to the cash shop. You made a mistake though, they dropped adding two separate zones a year. Now it’s just one big zone a year added by the Chapter. Edit: could be another sign of this game is basically on maintenance mode.

[@alexbrowne9566]

Yeah they just funneled in staff from other studios to work on ESO instead and we get quarterly updates because the games on 'maintenance mode'

[@gentlepatootie2580]

The only reason this game is not my main MMO is the combat. I fucking hate swinging wet noodles.

[@whackronomicon]

Try the new Arcanist class, they made its attacks feel impactful, way more than any other class. Prob best PVE class in game atm.

[@IamSpiritAlpha]

“Try” like if it’s possible to try it without buying expansion for a game you won’t play again XD

[@ХристоМартунковграфЛозенски]

Eh, abilities like "Dizzying Swing" and "Crystal Fragments" do create this impression of an impactful hit.

[@whackronomicon]

@@IamSpiritAlpha Players use the market to make gold, exchange gold for crowns and buy DLCs & cosmetics all the time. Been going on for years. It's a grind but RL money doesn't have to be spent.

[@nihilon_travels295]

absolutly great video! Covering every aspect to the point, thanks!

[@tsvetantsvetanov3789]

Perfectly delivered yet again sir! Absolutely love your videos

[@s.a4034]

Just wow , i really trying to convince myself that with so many top free to play MMo's , to buy elder scroll but now thx to you i'll not do such an stupid mistake , their monetisation method is just crazy !! I never even heard any MMo that combime all metods together !!

[@cci9459]

I am waiting for Galactichad vs the Emperor saga :*

[@Trigarta]

Bravo Mitch! You pretty much captured how I feel about the game. The biggest pain point to me is the laughable difficulty in open world and questing content.

[@1Apep1]

What I particularly despise about the Clown Store are the noob traps like respec scrolls, pots and food - things you can easily get in game. ESO+ is indeed pretty much mandatory, if you want the full experience. The video went into the inventory problem at length already, but access to all DLCs is also a massive factor, especially for advanced players. The base game is usually pretty cheap nowadays, sometimes even free. That is already a lot of game and you can get a good first impression of the systems. My recommendation is: See it as a subscription game, use the Crowns that come with the subscription wisely, i.e. for assistants first and then for other things you really want and can not get in game. Older content usually stays relevant for a long time and many groups are running older raids regularly, so you don't really have to pay for the new chapter each year. However, you might feel a bit left out, if you don't have all the cool new toys, so that is another expense you might want to budget for. ESO is not a cheap game, but the costs are predictable, if you can keep your hands out of the cosmetics cookie jar of the Crown Store.

[@jordangundr]

My huge gripe with this MMO are the cool weapon sets (flashy, glowing effects) are all in the crown store. There's no sense of achievement other than slaving hours away for Endeavours to buy some from the store 😭 The one rare event where ZOS gave this a little effort was with the Opal weapon sets associated with the Undaunted event.

[@pieru]

as someone who has played games for most of their life i've come to dislike items in games that have tons of glittery particle effects and flashing rgb lights. it is a sign of being easy to milk money out of and having a bad taste.

[@DeAnavarr]

You can always search how to make gold and trade gold with other players for crowns, it usually goes like 100 gold per crown. So if you want 2000 crowns you’d need to trade someone 200k gold, which is fairly easy to get

[@ForceOfUru]

​@@DeAnavarrFor PC players, this ratio can be quite interesting, such as 5000 gold per 1 crown. PC EU player here.

[@kokocaptainqc]

never cared about looks ever...im about stats which does matter...and if pvp is your whole life then think about this : its way more insulting to get owned by someone looking like a hobo than being owned by gigachad

[@Capt.Steele]

I feel the exact opposite, I've never had any interest in crown store items. By far the most rewarding achievements in the game are the achievements you get from beating hardcore dungeons and trials, and more importantly the legendary sets that you get from them! Grinding out trials to get a full set of armor is not only rewarding and usually looks cool, but will actively make your character stronger. Allowing you to take on even harder dungeons and trials!

[@scottboyer8450]

The Monetization is why I left. The Monetization is why I wont come back. Loot Boxes are CANCER.

[@kokocaptainqc]

ok but...who forces you to use them??or is it that you cant cntrol yourself?

[@blueoninico474]

Nobody is forcing them to play either. Let them live life. Your money your decisions.

[@Capt.Steele]

I don't give a single damn about the loot boxes Pay walling my bag space though, that's a ******* war crime

[@zombiejesus7445]

900hours played in ESO.. ZERO crates bought

[@jasonchui111]

Loot boxes not a problem if the in game rewards are equal to crown items. However that is not the case as in game rewards are less in quality and quantity. And on top of that there are many unique cosmetics that is exclusive to loot boxes. I don't mind people paying for convenience but at this point it is paying for exclusivity that makes game play unrewarding.

[@salinaember9527]

this was an amazingly done dive! all i would've included is the comprehensive housing and outfit system.

[@Jay-kk1ee]

My biggest gripe with eso is that they have the best pvp by far in an mmo but its so neglected - if they improved performance in cyrodill and balanced the classes a little more (nerf night blades essentially) it would be unreal! 😮

[@BlackBlazeGaming]

Great video! I've played this game for around 9.5k hours. I love it to pieces, and I think your points about it are pretty fair. I wish it would take more of a Warframe style approach to monetization, and not lock so much content away behind paywalls. The game would do just as well in sales if they did, as they'd bring in enough people who might actually stick around longer and pay for subscriptions or cosmetics. The open world stuff being easy doesn't bother me too much, as there's just so much of it and so much focus on story that having overwhelmingly difficult overland mobs would just be annoying. With the scaling, there's a weird inverse thing going on where you kind of feel more powerful with time, but the moment you hit CP 160, you're suddenly getting destroyed by everything because you're no longer being scaled and don't have the benefit of max level gear yet. Its a strange experience for sure.

[@OnlyyHalfBad]

Oh god no, if ESO took the Warframe route, crafting an item would take 12 or 36 hours, and they would entice you to buy a currency to rush the process.

[@Qugie]

I played Many MMO, Lineage 2 for 12 years, STO for 8 years, SWTOR for 5 years, WOW just until I get to level 20 so I can get a freebie for Hearthstone then I deleted WOW. and many more but so Far Elder Scrolls is the only one I still play.

[@Chronos308]

Try guild wars 2, maybe you like it.

[@ssilent8202]

Honestly all I want is more “adventure zones” (high-difficulty overland zone) like Craglorn. Murkmire was originally supposed to be an Adventure zone but they changed it into a Story zone 😭 it’s still a well-designed zone but I just wish they would’ve kept it in the region of Black Marsh it was originally intended (just cause I think that specific region of black marsh would be awesome to explore) and kept it an Adventure zone with a story-questline to drive exploration like Craglorn. We need more Adventure Zones!

[@christophermoss8397]

A great video! You missed one part of the monetization system: the intentional inconveniences. Things like becoming a vampire or leveling up mounts are intentionally made much, MUCH harder than they need to be, pushing players even more toward the cash shop. I've been playing ESO for two years and definitely thinking of trying something else for the points you mentioned.

[@danielthornton5471]

Out of interest which alternatives have you been looking into?

[@DmitrySabFo]

This is nonsense, you can easily become vampire or werewolf by asking other players and you can upgrade mounts every day for half a year to upgrade it fully for very cheap amounts of gold. This guy is a noob.

[@humdingr]

@@DmitrySabFo Ah yes, the old "log in every day for half a year to be able to play with the big boys" I know the mount isn't required by any stretch but the fact that the mount progress is not at least shared across all your characters has always been bullshit

[@JouleZeath]

@@DmitrySabFo "Everyday for half a year" that's asking for A LOT just to get rid of some monetization. In other games that's about 2 full "seasons" of content, all just to get some inventory space and mount speed, it's absurd commitment to something that should've been available from the start.

[@DmitrySabFo]

@@JouleZeath there are others faster alternatives.

[@conmangames32]

Finally get a chance to watch it 😂😂. Let's go!!!!! Cracking video again man!!!

[@KaisersGB]

Oh may goodness the monetization bit is so spot on! I absolutely adore this game and have spent over 9k hours on it both from my time on the console and PC combined but man does it like to try to keep on taking! I felt the weight of losing well over $400 when I shifted to PC as I have to regrind and build back what I lost. I will not be spending actual money this time and am opting to use a crown dealer to get crown items if I am desperate. Great video as always my friend loved the clever editing and very wholesome ending 😄🍻

[@StayWretched]

I played from day one for at least 5 years. Now I'm years out of touch AND on a whole new platform. I want to get back into ESO, but just cant fathom fully restarting and dishing out for ALL the content again

[@FormOverFlair]

The monetisation of this game is absolutely vile.... and people actually defend it! So wild.

[@cracmar03]

Well tbh, I prefer it mostly because I don't feel like I am forced to sub unlike in FFXIV. I played without sub for ESO just fine for 1 year so I know I will be capable of doing it again. ESO does have issues with crown pricings on store. It's all over the place, biggest nonsense are customized actions prices. And don't get me on 2k crowns for costumes.

[@FormOverFlair]

@@cracmar03 If you don't feel like you're forced to sub then you're probably not a core player. Anyone who takes the game remotely seriously knows how much of a disadvantage not having ESO+ is to the point where it really IS practically a must have, they've just fooled you into thinking it's optional. And any new player HAS to sub for the dlc at some point in their player life cycle OR pay a ridiculous amount of money to access it anyway. ZOS are extremely good (or not) at disguising their greedy practices as player friendly. EVERYTHING they do has money behind it and before you say 'well they're a company'..... the other optional strategy to increase gains is by making an incredible game that MAKES people WANT to play, but instead their milking hands spend more time shoving crown items in your face than actually improving the game.

[@fu102]

as someone who plays almost every MMO known to man, youre wrong. not that ZMO shouldnt do better, they should. but it is completely possible to buy the collection (base game plus all expacs) for a whopping 15 dollars and pick up some crowns on discount during one of MANY sales they do. then buy the DLC when the DLC goes on sale, so that you end up paying 75% less when all is said and done. I know this is possible, because thats what I did. if you are pissed that you cant play ESO like a FT MMO without a sub, then thats on you and your expectations.

[@FormOverFlair]

@@fu102 And here we are everyone! Another defender of the vile corporate greed that I originally posted about. Thank you for being such a perfect stereotype. Get help.

[@FormOverFlair]

@@fu102 P.s you think DLC access is the only benefit of eso+?? Are you dumb? That's one of MANY benefits of the subscription that make the game more inconvenient if you don't buy it.

[@O5-XIV]

I Stopped playing ESO about 5-6 years ago, i was Quite Addicted to it. Fun video, but i don't need This time Vampire in my life again XD

[@StarseedResistance]

Well said that's all of these big MMOs are city of heroes homecoming is free though and no micros way more worth playing.

[@kokocaptainqc]

@@StarseedResistance lol agreeing just to push your own crappy game lmao 🤣

[@StarseedResistance]

@@kokocaptainqc first of all how is it my crappy game dude it's just a bunch of people who take donations get over yourself you don't even realize what kind of game it is you don't know what the f*** you're talking about get off the internet kid 10 year olds don't belong in a KZbin comments it's for adults only.

[@FrostbreakYT]

Come on man I JUST STARTED making videos on this game man I think personally, as a Skyrim player, you just gotta play ESO in a specific way to really capture the magic. I know people say Zenimax is super greedy, I know people say it's combat is horrible... but as a new player I think it's pretty magical still to experience for the first time in 2024. Maybe the "MMO" part of this "MMORPG" isn't up to snuff (which totally makes sense why people may dislike it) but the "RPG" part I think is one of the best of any MMO I've picked up.

[@MissFirefly11]

Oh yeah the RPG bit is great ^^

[@TheSteadyeddieShow]

i've been super enjoying your videos on ESO ☺

[@FrostbreakYT]

@@TheSteadyeddieShow Hey thanks :D

[@Capt.Steele]

I really don't get why people think the combat is horrible. It's pretty high skill, you can't just stand in the spot and spam all your abilities for every boss fight. Not to mention the movement styled combat create a intense PvP experience that requires a great deal of synergy and strategy with good leadership being a must. Of course I've never played any other MMO so maybe I'm just out of the loop 😂

[@rachaelpracht]

You can not deny that this MMO has some amazing music and soundtrack though

[@Studycase3000]

Brilliant as always! There are those rare people that I could just listen to or have a good conversation(should I know them🤪) for hours. Your sense of humor, mixed with deep thoughts and appreciation, all came through perfectly. Well done!

[@Lord-Regent-of-the-Imperium]

Bro you're Khajiit voice is on fucking point!

[@Parnyr]

And again a very good video. Keep up the great work :)

[@JonnyLuscious]

Yeesh that monetization... Makes me want to go buy an outfit or something in gw2 just to reward them for not being quite THAT greedy (not that they're perfect, but definitely the best I've experienced on the monetization front)

[@brandonuzumaki]

Yeah, GW2 is mostly cosmetic stuff, ESO just makes some gameplay aspects worse to sell you the solution, when he's showing the ESO Plus benefits, the last line says "Costume Dyeing" like, for real? unless i'm misinterpreting, just dyeing a costume is a premium feature?? It's so dumb. I feel like the closest thing GW2 has to "trash monetization" is the whole build template system, even then that's only going to nag you when you reach end game, and only if you want to specialize in all classes and things like that, so not that big of a deal for a lot of people.

[@JonnyLuscious]

@@brandonuzumaki yeah i agree... Most of the build template, equipment template, etc stuff isn't overly necessary either... More of just a convenience, one which lots of players won't ever really need. I'd say probably the only one that bugs me to some degree is inventory space and buying bag slots being by character... But even that they've drastically improved over the years. Can't complain much when they move in the direction of improvement instead of heavier monetization like competitors.

[@Ilzhain]

@@brandonuzumaki To clarify on the costume dyeing front; you can fully dye and customise your outfits which are sets of different armour types that you can mix and match to really make it your own but aside from that there are costumes which are equippable from the collections menu and are entire outfits unto themselves like a jester costume, a fancy dress or the outfit worn by mannimarco. These costumes can still be dyed by using dye sets which are consumables containing 3 colours that it applies to your equipped costume. The plus benefit allows you to dye each element of a costume individually like you would an outfit, it's dumb that it's behind a paywall but frankly it's such a minor thing.

[@brandonuzumaki]

@@Ilzhain Oh i see, minor cosmetic stuff then, now that you said how it works it does look like they just wanted an "extra" perk for the sub and just slapped this one there lol.

[@fu102]

@@brandonuzumaki GW2 is WAY closer to ESO monetization than GW2 apologists like to admit....

[@Wayleran]

Great video and painful as well since I share a lot of your frustration with the monetization.

[@sirrox8080]

You know what my biggest problem with this game is? the fact that there is no aus/nz/sea server so anyone from those regions is stuck with 200 ping

[@chase5298]

not popular there not enough incentive simple as

[@sirrox8080]

@@chase5298 I'm not sitting here asking for them Im just never guna play the game its simple

[@brandonuzumaki]

Their servers are just garbage, i live in Brasil, and for the short time i played this game i had constant 200 ping, with quite a bit of lag and delays, and that was just exploring the starter cities with very few players around, can't imagine how it was going to be when doing huge scale PvP or open world events. I also play GW2, which only has one NA/EU mega server as well, and my ping is around 140-160 with no lags or delays, even on WvW my max is around 180-200 ping, and that's with 50+ players on the screen at the same time. How a company that has much less resources than Zenimax, managed to have a server that's much better is beyond my comprehension lol.

[@chase5298]

@@brandonuzumaki Dont live in a third world country then

[@lady_tarra7269]

I Just waited for this for so long - and i was Not dissapointed. Thanks for delivering this awesome vid!!

[@FabresFour]

Just a correction: Since last year with Necrom, Zenimax has stopped releasing smaller DLC at the end of the year. Now, the story focuses on just two annuals big content launches, instead of four: 2023 Dungeon DLC (big) -> Necrom (big) -> Update in quality of life (smaller) -> Infinite Archive (smaller, but FREE!? I don't know, the infinite archive is amazing but is smaller in comparasion of an small area DLC) 2024 Dungeon DLC (big) -> Gold Road (really big) -> Update in the housing system + quality of life (smaller) -> new pvp system (smaller but welcome, we really need to shake up the pvp)

[@sandroperez8508]

Great video man! Hope you do some more SWTOR content soon; it was so much damn fun!

[@MitchManix]

Not sure when but im totally planning on it. Its really fun to make too and im so glad people enjoy it

[@keegandoa]

guild wars 2 next?

[@HollowLeon]

They have done a GW2 video.

[@WinterStarrVRChat]

The ending is 100% FFXIV

[@urud591]

Yep, definitely a spoiler for FFXIV :)

[@Marrimero]

There are at least 4 videos about gw2 on this channel

[@MitchManix]

*He. Is just me 😊

[@Yuushiboy]

Even if I have played most games in this series so far, the videos are so funny its a must to watch! 😅

[@SECURITEH]

I gave ESO a try late last year and was still in the tutorial island when I already hit a resource limit and was asked to subscribe to bypass this limit (I only picked up things I found while doing the tasks)... That was the point I closed and uninstalled the game.

[@treemanifesto]

This is a major hurdle for new players, since there's nothing that tells you not to bother looting crafting materials. Any time I have a friend play, I immediately give them the ~250k gold to maximize their bag space. Doesn't matter if they quit later, nobody should have to deal with excessive inventory management in their first moments with the game.

[@jhonadrianclark5203]

​@@treemanifestonice I am completely new to the game and yes is annoying and for now I don't consider paying for eso plus.

[@salinaember9527]

what resource limit? ive been playing for years and i dont have a subscription. and even i cant think of it

[@DmitrySabFo]

Not thinking and taking useless stuff then blaming the game for it... classic! When you can upgrade player space up to 210 slots, have 8-10 characters, a bank with 280 slots, a house with up to 330 slots and guilds with their owns banks!

[@treemanifesto]

@@DmitrySabFo Sure, but there's nothing to tell the new player that loot is useless, and nothing to tell them they will suffer endless inventory management until they make their first 250k Gold (For 10 characters, that's a cool 2.5mil) or until they make ~150 master writs vouchers (the cost of all that housing storage) spend gold or crowns on a house, or god forbid, fall into the giant noob trap and end up spending crowns for ANY/ALL of those things. It's very egregious, and worth highlighting. New player experience in ESO is not good, and this is exactly why. You can't hold a NEW player responsible for all this, that's up to the game devs to make a better learning experience.

[@delanybell5613]

As someone who only recently got into MMOs in the past three years or so I’ve been playing ESO without a subscription for months. I finally caved so I could try out the DLCs but before that I didn’t have much issue with monetization but I think that’s vastly because I tend to ignore the store and just focus on completing quests because I’m used to playing (casually) solo rpgs and just play ESO like one. I don’t think I’ve ever focused much on crafting or professions etc. or fancy gear. Mostly because it all seems a bit overwhelming.So I didn’t mind the base game. But I understand my experience is not most people’s. Especially for people who are far more familiar with MMOs.

[@Equalitro]

First 20 seconds and I know I will enjoy this ride

[@GHOST5800000]

Flailing Ballbag Online is my fav MMO!

[@a1fastyellowkitten780]

i had played it for a bit but theinv space and payment stuff chased me away, went back to skyrim and made a khajeet named ya'yeet

[@catspiracytheorist2138]

So glad u roasted the monetization system in ESO. They dont even give u decent cosmetic rewards by actually playing the game anymore. All the good sht is in the gambling crown crates

[@k.t.1641]

My only problem as someone with as many hours as you, is just how ridiculously easy most of the game is. I can solo world bosses. Easy. Even with a newer character. If only they changed that i could enjoy the game and dlcs/stories again.

[@StarseedResistance]

It's a snoozefest for sure

[@AzureRoxe]

Gotta appeal to the hypercasuals, that's why games are so easy now.

[@salinaember9527]

the harder content is soloing vet dungeons and vet group arenas. overland is meant to be for everyone

[@jacobodom8401]

@@salinaember9527 you can make it *Enjoyable* for everyone by adding optional difficulty. Because right now it’s just boring

[@jacobodom8401]

@@AzureRoxe they are focused way more on getting players engaged in the crown store than the actual game

[@Blodyqueef]

Before you get into explaining Cyrodiil PvP, a heavier, power metal, song kicks in. What the name of that song, anyone know?

[@disgruntleddude]

"Oh, you can't afford sub this month? KISS GOODBYE TO YOUR CRAFTING BAG PEASANT" I do not remember it fondly.

[@natebookout811]

I think there's a difference between hardcore challenge modes, like ESO's veteran mode, and natural difficulty in games. Challenging modes are called challenges for a reason. Difficulty is a huge part of that, but there's another layer of mastery that these modes also demand from a player, which is why they're usually played by experienced players. If someone new to the game doesn't like ESO because it's too easy, challenge modes do nothing for them because they're new. If the game isn't any fun to learn to play at all because it's too easy, the whole point of adding challenges for experienced players is kinda moot.

[@shinobi197]

I do agree with the cash shop having questionable items such as, Crown potions/repair kits/food/Soul gems and they should atleast add a disclaimer to those items like. This item or similar item is obtainable through in game vendors. I do disagree with eso+ being not pro consumer. (The only thing not pro consumer is keeping the craftbag behind to that subscription) You get access to all dlc dungeons and zones for 17 bucks for a month and you get the crowns needed to buy 1 of the dlc which you get play as much as you want for the whole month instead of having to pay before playing it. I've been playing this game for 9 years I do not have an active eso+ subscription, but I do get one every time a new dlc dungeon set comes out so I can buy it and stock up the craft bag.

[@catriona_drummond]

See, I have dyspraxia. For me the game is exactly the right challenge. I love it.

[@southcoastinventors6583]

Played the game to max level got bored because all the base content is to easy except some of the group content when you not carried through that is. Also animation canceling is not a skill it a bug that devs don't fix because all the resources are put to cash shop and expansions. Waste you time on the single player games instead with the AI chat mode mod.

[@brewergamer]

I have over 1000 hours in ESO, I love the game but my primary #1 issue is that the game has 2 difficulty modes: Extremely easy, or extremely hard. They definitely need more scaling in-between those 2 difficulties. Look at World Of Warcraft for example, ALOT more options in terms of going normal, heroic, mythic, mythic+ etc. Also as you mentioned the open world content definitely needs to be at least slightly more difficult, it's laughably easy right now and very off putting tbh.

[@ortacreef8557]

I left ESO 18 months ago after 5k+ hours. In the past week been thinking about revisiting. Your presentation popped up in my feed, and reminded me exactly why I left in the first place. You have my gratitude. I shall remain ex-ESO.

[@xXbaker115Xx]

I played when it first came out. Did they change the intro to the game?

[@salinaember9527]

its been changed multiple times over the years.

[@Kyzar90]

I appreciate the honesty here as someone who has played the game and fallen out with it. The community seems blind to the fact that expansions are extremely barebones compared to the other mmorpg on the market. Compare endwalker to necrom the difference in content is staggering

[@Sekiberius24]

FF14 Dlc's are bonkers with the amount of content in them, but with games like ff14 you have to deal with a subscription which is how they hook you into staying subbed for months on end. Really if you do the math playing a final fantasy expansion isn't really any better in terms of value proposition.

[@Blaque_Frost]

I've played on and off since beta, fought through pvp, trials, arenas, and a number of the dungeon trifectas. This is a truly fair review.

[@gingerbeer9024]

Tamriel is home. But this home is corrupted. You forgot to mention that 20k crowns is 140 usd and 90 usd ON SALE and houses are like almost 80 dollars. I quit 2 years ago after update 36. By that point, I spent thousands on the game (im a huge whale for games I like) it just didn't seem like anything was changing for the better. I might return for gold road but idk

[@Renemu]

Honestly a very fair video :) I love eso for the story , combat is ok if a tad repetitive , and if you buy expansions and keep the sub running (like wow for example) you'll eventually have enough crowns to buy all the dlc's OR the mounts / houses etc from the cash shop (unlike wow) so I personally don't really have a problem with it. Anyway enjoyed the video , and I wonder how the ffxiv video will go (nice little hint at the end xD )

[@sawmanUK]

Another Mitch Manix W

[@GrayBeardFPS]

Ahh the questing having a date with an old man in a cave 100 times (with a loading screen making you think your downloading the game again)

[@AzureRoxe]

It would be so simple for them to fix the monetization and tons of players would flock to the game. But of course, greed for short term money always wins.

[@Bloodyshadow53]

For me the combat is a huge drawback in pve but is so good in pvp. The weaving is clearly a part i would get rid of but i also find the weapon system ending makingg any class played the same for the same role. And I hate not having an aoe taunt as most tanks, it makes the tanking job uselessly more complicated (not much but it's so annoying)

[@DevvuInTheDetails]

ESO is an okay distraction & reminder of why FFXIV continues to be your primary MMO.

[@KingSmerk209]

It would be if I could figure out there stupid password thing to sign up!

[@codyderr1364]

Ffix combat is bad to me

[@gravity1149]

"I feel all woozy when you're around. I'll ask for your bounty so we can spend more time together." "Hold on, what."

[@DerFreelancerT]

You, my friend, forgot the worst part about the monetazation. The slice by slice changes. First it was: Pay monthly and you dont have to buy shit, all Dlcs are included. Well true. But Extensions arent. Oh Did we tell you, that you need to buy them to play the game? Nah? Duh. Here are a few crowns though, you might be able to buy the DLCs this way. We promise, this will be enough. Okay not enough. But at least you can get one of the three.

[@rentheseer190]

I also love ESO, but Mitch makes a very compelling point on the monetisation, I’m in the camp of using irl money for two things; boost progression for players that have a life, and cosmetics.

[@michaelthomas5433]

Crates. Twas crates that killed the ESO beast.

[@malmckerchar1049]

Loving this series Mitch!

[@devzaren]

Really good video Man, Love it ! I also play ESO really on and off, and well forgot that i have ESO+ so just checked the Crowns i got dusting in the bank and its like 20k :D Woops :D again Thanks for the Great video Mitch :)

[@Xyoni_htklv]

"Create problems, sell solutions." ESO

[@fiddlesticks8142]

I tried this game a few years ago and didn't even make it an hour before I quit. I don't even know what I did that could have caused it, but while I was doing a quest in town there was this high level NPC that ran up and one shot me. It then ran all the way over to where I respawned and proceeded to spawn camp me for the next 5 minutes before I just logged off and uninstalled.

[@reffa2858]

As someone who played this game for 3 years straight, I highly recommend it. Theres something there for just about everyone.

[@MissFirefly11]

Agreed! :) Its my fav too

[@idaofficial1173]

two billion in revenue is crazy, I'd love to see it really upgraded

[@idaofficial1173]

@@IsolatedPixels noooo hahha